The Weekly Planet - 452 Black Adam

Episode Date: October 24, 2022

The DC Universe is back at it again with another soft reboot as we enter Phase One or something with the release of Dwayne "The Rock" Johnsons Black Adam. We also talk Fantastic Four rumours, CrE3d, the worst way to re-release/watch Lord Of The Rings and more. Thanks for listening!Visit bigsandwich.co for a bonus weekly show, exclusive movie commentaries, early stuff and ad-free podcast feeds for $9 per month.00:00 The Start02:53 Lord of the Rings NFT Nightmare10:23 Adam Driver in Dr Doom Movie13:37 Silver Surfer Special Presentation16:54 Michael Keaton Batman Return Paycheck19:13 Sacha Baron Cohen is Mephisto in MCU?20:53 Creed 3 Trailer23:09 DCEU Phase One Plans26:38 Black Adam Review (spoilers 53:36 to 01:18:55)01:05:39 Black Adam Post Credits Scene01:18:55 What We Reading, What We Gonna Read01:30:04 Letters, It’s Time For LettersJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownMaso's Instagram ► https://www.instagram.com/nickmaseauThe Weekly Planet Twitter ► https://twitter.com/theweeklyplanetPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesTWP iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767TWP Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetTWP YouTube Channel ► https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2QbmwGjT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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declare that I'm here with my good friend Nick Mason. We're going southern, are we? Southern gentlemen? Southern gentlemen, Australian accents. Okay. Let's crack out these mint juleps and we'll be ready to go absolutely i'm here i'm ready to go i'm ready to podcast i'm present i'm doing stretches wow ready to go what's the stretches for to be like my idol the rock he would do stretches and then he would lift a big thing he would do stretches

he would be in the iron castle or whatever what is what's his gym called? The Pigpen. I don't know. It's called Iron Paradise. Iron Paradise. There we go. Is that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or the Pigpen. The Pigpen. And doesn't it go with him?

Like he takes it places? Like if he goes, like pack it up in a jet or whatever? I mean the weight allocation to do something like that, you know? Yeah, right. If it's true. I may be making this up. But maybe if he goes to other places maybe he goes internationally and they just have a regular gym maybe that doesn't like he can it doesn't it

doesn't give him any form of exercise at all no you funny you said that because i remember hearing it is funny that i say i say a lot of funny things okay i meant funny in the sense that not yet not thus far not thus far today but eventually i will that i know i've set myself a real goal i can never achieve now it's i'm in my head i can't say anything funny i i can't remember whether who i heard this from or when i heard it but the rock i know and again it might not even be the rock but i'm pretty sure it was he was coming to australia for something would it have been one of the rock's enemies based on what you know no it wasn't like that at all and the gym he was going to his people rang ahead to

make sure they had heavy enough weights, which I also think is like a PR thing. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, you know, like, yeah, obviously he's strong, but people are strong. He's a regular human. He is not in fact superhuman. No, exactly.

He does not in fact wield the power of the gods. No. But we will be talking, of course, this week about Black Adam, a movie 14 years in the making. That's right. It's the only thing I've been thinking about every day, Mason. Since then. Since then, yeah.

What about afterwards? No, it's over. Okay. It's going to put that to bed, all right? Yeah, I think so. We will after this episode. But before we get to that, there's time codes below from Collings, who, of course, edits this show.

We've got some great Lord of the Rings news, Mason. Do we? Yeah. And then we've got news for Fantastic Four rumours, a couple of those. Oh, yes. Mephisto in the MCU, Mason. Trailers ahoy for Creed. A bunch of DC stuff going on, including one of the old heads leaving

and some movies cancelled and not cancelled and whatever, whatever. And there's one in particular which was saved after Black Adam because it ties in the spoilers for that movie. Sure, sure, sure, sure. So, yeah, let's get into whatever, whatever. And there's one in particular which we'll save to after Black Adam because it ties in the spoilers for that movie. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. So, yeah, let's get into it, Mason. Okay. I'm just going to read this statement via Variety. Okay.

Concerning Lord of the Rings. Okay, you're going to read it verbatim? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you'll get the feel of it. You'll know what's up. So Warner Brothers Home Entertainment. What up, dogs? It's Peter Jackson.

I'm back, you stupid bitches. Warner Brothers Home Entertainment is teaming up with blockchain company alvio to launch the lord of the rings the fellowship of the rings bracket extended version web 3 movie experience which will be available in two different editions that drop friday october 21st at web3.wb.com that's a lot of words to say, NFT. We're the first major studios releasing movies in NFT, which are unique identifiers that they verify ownership of digital content,

Mason. So you know how you can buy a movie and own it. Yeah, sure. On many formats. You can do it on a DVD, Blu-ray, VHS. You can steal it. Yeah, you steal it. You can put it on a hard drive. Maybe like a novelty One Ring might be an option. It's got a USB stick in it. Yeah, absolutely. UMD. You put it on a hard drive. Yep, yep, yep. Maybe like a novelty one ring might be an option. Sure, put it on there. Like it's got a USB stick in it.

Yeah, absolutely. UMD. You put it on a UMD. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Laser disc. Yeah. But this way, you pay a lot of money for what is essentially, it's the same thing.

It's the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Except, yeah, you don't physically have it. You get any trading cards or anything? There is some bonus stuff I think they put on there. You get a stick of bubble gum? I think that. You get a Gollum bubble gum?

You get a Gollum bubble gum? You get a Gollum bubble gum. It shoots out of your hard drive. Nice. But it- Yeah, I think there's some- Like, the menus are different, and I don't know. I think the bonus material is mostly the same. And it's got a unique identifier, James.

Don't bury that. It's got a unique identifier so people know where you got it. Do you get a Blu-ray? No, I don't think so. What if they delete it off their servers after 20 years? Do you just lose it? No, you lose it. That's how it works.

Oh, it's a unique identifier. Maybe you don't. Here's the thing, though. Here's the thing, though. Here's my thing, though. Okay. Because I'll forget. My memory is worse than yours.

Do you get like a digital, do you get the data to put on something or every time you watch it, do you have to stream it from Warner Brothers' server? That's a great question. Isn't it though? I don't know. I'm assuming it's via web3.wb.com, which is the worst. Okay.

So when web3. I'm just going to go here now. When web3.wb.com disappears in six to 18 months, your copy will no longer be available. I just want to say, by the way, this website, hate it really bad. Oh yeah? Just really. Well, that's the magic of web3. You hate it, but you got to pay for it. Well, that's the magic of Web3. You hate it, but you've got to pay for it.

Yeah. That's the slogan for Web3. I got a free T-shirt at a developer conference the other day. It says Web3. You hate it, but you've got to pay for it. Okay, so there's a couple of editions as well. There's the mystery edition, which includes a surprise interactive location-based navigation menu from one of the three films.

What? Shia Rivendell buys a Moria. What if I want the other one? Where were you to buy another one? But what if I still get the same one? But, you know, you buy three times. You get lucky. You could get lucky.

You could not get lucky. Yeah, you could not get lucky. You get Rivendell three times, whichever one that is. The Elven City, basically. One of the Woodland Elves. What about the Gross Hobbit City? That's not. Wait, the Hobbit City, it's delightful, isn't it?

They're all eating carrots and having festivals. Yeah, but it probably smells weird. Yeah, it probably does. It smells like feet. So, also, that's 10,000 random mint. Consumers will receive one of these three locations assigned in Mystery Edition. Or you can do the Epic Edition, which includes. This is your happy hour.

You're going to want the Epic Edition, aren't you? Because there's nothing. Nothing says epic more than Lord of the Rings, so you want the epic edition. Yeah, yeah. So it includes all three locations, location-based navigational menus. Now you're speaking my language. Plus bonus image galleries.

Now the epic edition I can get into. Yeah, but not included in the mystery edition. And there's only a $999 mince for that, so that's crazy. James? Yep. Fry from Futurama holding a pile of cash. Take my money.gif. How much is this?

Does it say? Great question. I'll hit get started. Oh, so that's live. Yeah, it's white on my hard drive. It's gone. I've lost everything. Launch your Web3 movie experience from your media wallet and enjoy.

I don't have that. I don't know what that is. Let's go. Because what you want if you're asking people to pay more money for a product they definitely already have in some format like no matter what sign up log in like if you've either got you've got dvds like in a box somewhere or you've you've bought it on a streaming service or it's you can literally watch it on a streaming service currently what you want is to go to this thing.

You've been tricked into this thing. You're like, oh, maybe I'll get that epic package. And you go there and it's like, you can't buy this with money. You have to open a crypto wallet and convert money into crypto. It says here you open an Elvireo, whatever it's called. Oh, sounds Elven. I like it. Or you can bring your own.

It's very small. So if you've got your own crypto wallet, you can come along. Apparently, the 999 ones, they're $100 each. So, yeah, you're practically making money. That's right. So they're going to make at least $999. You would see that way most of it. Wow.

That's US too. That's US, yeah. That's a good conversion rate on that. Wow. See, what's the thing about this is as well, because the video game industry went through this recently, you're fucking late, man. Yeah.

This is a year late. People know this is terrible. I mean, they knew then, but now they know now even more. So what are you even offering here? Bonus menus. Just go to DeviantArt and type in Lord of the Rings, and you'll get a thousand. Safe search on.

Safe search on, yeah. You get a thousand pictures from amazing artists that you can then pay for if you want those pieces. Just insanity. What are they doing? I don't know, but it's great. Yeah. I love just the last move of disadvantage.

That is... We're going to talk about it, I think, when we talk about our movie of the week, James. What's your movie of the week? I won't spoil it, actually. Yeah, don't spoil it. But just there are some real advantages to being the first mover and there's some severe disadvantages to being the last out of the gate.

This. This specifically, yeah. And it's Warner Brothers every time. It certainly is, isn't it? They're making. Well, they're not having a lot of luck this week with the new Gotham Knights game as well. That's also, yeah, I've heard that.

Apparently it is good, but it's just choked with just grind and apparently they changed the combat too much. I haven't played it. Yeah, I also haven't played it. I've only seen tweets. I want it to be good. Some people are like, okay, several of your characters can't glide around the city until you grind

and get the grind for a couple of hours and get the gliding abilities and stuff like that. The start of Batman Arkham City, you climb a little tower in Bruce Wayne's suit and Alfred shoots a fucking bat costume at you. That's right. And then you're off. Yeah, hell yeah.

The game is just ridiculous. So, you know, there you go. That's a shame. We'll see what the next one looks like. I guess that Suicide Squad game they're doing. Oh, yeah, that's right. I feel like they are a good developer and they're just getting like, well, this happens to a lot of developers.

They just get choked by all this absolute dreck. Yeah. Just a mire of terrible content forced into it. Incredible. Yeah, but I think the best case scenario for things like this is that they lose a bunch of money and they stop doing it. Yes, for sure.

I feel, I read this week somewhere that perhaps Warner Brothers' strategy is to get a few hits under their belt and increase the value of the thing and then sell on DC. Absolutely. I think that's very possible. But, I mean, at this rate, they're going to get some hits. Sure.

I mean, they have a back catalogue, I think. That's true. That catalogue. Thank you very much. Anyway, we should move it forward, Mason. We are going to come back to it. I'm being present in the moment. Yeah.

One more stretch for the road. That's looking good. Yeah. You get muscles from stretching, right? Yeah, it's mostly just stretching. Yeah. It gets the blood flow happening and- Yeah, yeah.

That's what the rock does. He doesn't lift anything. That's what I feel. He's in there stretching. Yeah. So we're going to come back to some Warner Brothers stuff, though, specifically DC. But let's go via- Let's do some Fantastic Four stuff.

This is via Jeff Snyder, who's had some big hit news recently. Oh, yeah, big hit news. Yeah. One of the things he said recently is that Adam Driver could play Reed Richards, brackets Mr. Fantastic, in the Fantastic Four movie or potentially Doctor Doom. So I think the thing with Adam Driver, I would prefer him to do Reed Richards because he's done the sinister mask fallen guy with a scar on his face.

But that's how Hollywood works, isn't it? You do the sinister mask guy once and they're like, he's a sinister mask guy. But I feel like he's smarter than that, right? Or he'd want to challenge himself to wear a different spandex potentially. Yeah. But then he might go, but I will have the chance to do that after they've paid me $10 million for this role.

And if he does the mask, he doesn't have to be there really, does he? That's true, yeah. Yeah. You just hang about. Yeah. So I do hope. Also, Reed Richards is. He can do Marriage Story 2.

He could. On his time off. Yeah. That's right. This time it's double divorce. Oh, really? Yeah, that's the tagline. Not even more married?

I reckon. Yeah. A judge has sentenced this to be even more married this time. Yeah. They handcuff him this to be even more married this time. Yeah, they handcuff him together. Yeah, right. They're dating other people, but they're handcuffed together. But Reed Richards is like, he's bad.

He's a bad guy, like a lot of the times, and he's cold and, you know, he's calculated. I think he could absolutely pull off all of those things. yeah i mean the acting the oh yeah he's he's good he's good at that if marvel is good at anything it's casting incredible people who are often too good for the material they are presented with or rather or to put it another way who elevates the material they are given you know it's never been an issue of like this guy can't act his way out of a bag or whatever yeah Or crap, they might say. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's certainly no issue with Adam Driver being able to wonderfully portray any role he's given. It's just like, does he suit Doctor Doom?

Is he long enough also? Yeah. Also, is he handsome or not? He is. Yeah, I think he is. I've thought about it. I had an interesting theory that was, which I think is true of famous Hollywood people who are good-looking and famous.

They can't be generic good-looking. They have to be good-looking, but then there's a quirk that distinguishes them from a regular generic good-looking person. I think that is a relatively new phenomenon. Oh, you think? Yeah, yeah. Like recently, I don't know what we're up to. I got too many quirks to be good-looking. I feel like I've got to dial back my quirks, you know what Yeah, yeah. Like recently, I don't know what we're up to. I got too many quirks to be good looking.

I feel like I've got to dial back my quirks, you know what I mean? Sure, sure, sure. We're too far. That's right. You're always yo-yoing and stuff. Is that one of the quirks you're including? Yeah. I don't know where we're up to on BigSandwich.co.

Sure. But we recently recorded a commentary for Jason. Oh, yeah. That's actually for Halloween, Spookiest Time of the Year, not tax time. Yeah. That's out right now if you're listening to this. That's great.

Well, and something we realised in that is that a lot of the people in that movie, A, look a lot like other actors, and B, or like slightly quirkier versions. But, like, if any of those actors started acting now, they'd probably get more leading roles because they're all kind of like. Everybody looks like somebody who's famous right now. They do, yeah. But nobody in that movie is famous.

No. It's a bizarre phenomenon, but a pretty entertaining movie. So, yeah. I've got some other Fantastic Four stuff here, Mason. Go on. This is why the Cosmic Circus. I want you to also file this into your rumor roller decks, if you don't mind.

My uh-uh. Yes, that's right. My uh-uh. So, Silver Surf, apparently there's going to be, as mentioned. That was my one bit of news. Was it? I'm going to find another bit of news real quick. Ah, Mason, get on it.

Or you can just let this one go to the keyboard today. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're coming up at the end of the year anyway. I'm going to get those back. I'm going to get those back regardless. But the Cosmic Circus, they say that there's a Silver Surf, a special presentation coming to Disney+. It'll feature Norrin Rad

as Galactus' herald out on the far corners of the cosmos. Rad will not be on Earth during the special presentation. He will not interact with any of the cosmic characters already established in the MCU, and apparently it will really... He's going to give him the brush off. Yes, that's right. He's going to be flying through the spaceways, and he's going to see them first, and then look

away as if he didn't notice them. Norrin! Norrin! Repeat a quill. He's going to be flying through the spaceways and he's going to see them first and then look away. Yeah. As if he didn't notice them. Naren. Naren. We've hit a quill. Oh, sorry, man. I had my headphones in. It's hard to tell because they're silver and I'm also silver. Yeah, you probably didn't notice.

Hey, you look good, man. I'm getting a call. Yeah, actually, yeah. It's Galactus. It's good to see you. It's Galactus. It's my master Galactus. The planet thing. Yeah, he wants me to. You know about my new gig, yeah. I'm Galactus. It's good to see you. It's Galactus. It's my master Galactus. The planet thing that I do.

Yeah, he wants me to. You know about my new gig, yeah? I was probably telling you about it. So, yeah, apparently going to release a few months before Fantastic Four. If this is true, good. I do like the idea of a special presentation as opposed to something being a whole series or a whole movie. This kind of harkens back, Mason, to, if you will, two things.

Oh, I will. One, Werewolf by Night, which just happened. That's right. And two, your Marvel One shots, you know, but they're on a bigger budget so they can tell a bit of a bigger story. But I guess this also suggests, if this is even true, that they're doing Galactus movie as a big cosmic threat. Yes, of course.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, this special presentation idea might be somewhat akin to the Marvel one-shots, but maybe with, you know, and again, they're testing out various lengths of stuff, TV series and movies and what have you. Various lengths of surfboard. Is he doing a longboard?

Is he doing a boogie board? Is he doing a snake board? You know, those snake boards. I don't know what that is. It was like a wiggly skateboard. Is he going to have like a big yellow life preserver on him? Is he going to be in one of those big inflatable donuts? Yes. And it just straight up looks like a donut. It looks like a Homer Simpson donut with a pink frosting on it. So yeah. What do you think about any of that, Mason?

I like it. I'm excited for that. I don't know if that's true though. We've not seen any official confirmation, correct? No, but I also think if they are going to do this, first of all, big swing doing Galactus out of the gate, but also they've never done it properly in live action. They had him in the movie, but he was a big cloud, and I feel like the MCU now is the kind of place where you're getting a big purple helmet, dude. Oh, for sure, yeah, absolutely.

I think they're trying to fill in all those blanks now of things that people didn't think could happen. Yeah. Like it'll be like Wolverine in yellow spandex. Yeah. In fact, I think I saw on Twitter there was just a very recent release of like one of those Marvel Legends action figures, and it is giant Galactus.

And every time they do something like that, I'm like, are they priming the general public for like, you know, that gets out there, it gets on social media, and people are like, oh, very intriguing. You think big Galactus? Is there a rampant enough for big Galactus? Yeah, I think so, it gets on social media and people are like, oh, very intriguing. You think Big Galactus? Is there a ramping up for Big Galactus? Yeah, I think so, yeah, Big Galactus. Very excited.

Here's a piece of news, James. Wow, one bit? What's one bit of news? This is fresh and we can go through it together. Wow, okay. This is from comicbook.com. Oh. Bat Girl, Michael Keaton's paycheck for Batman return

reportedly revealed. Oh, I didn't know this. Hello. Oh, okay. For Batman Returns. Wasn't that from 1992 or whatever? No, no, that's what I thought as well, and then I misspoke, but it says Michael Keaton's paycheck for Batman Return.

Let's do it. Batman Return. For Batman Return. I'm not getting that bit of news. I've just opened up comicbookreview.com, and I'm not getting it. Let's see. On Friday, a deep dive from The Hollywood Reporter

revealed that Michael Keaton received $2 million to appear as Bruce Wayne, Batman, and Batgirl in what the report describes as a glorified cameo. Yeah, makes sense. So five minutes work probably. Yeah. Days work? Not bad.

Probably a few at least. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can do at least three or four. Not worth it then, obviously. No. Yeah. Oh, no, according to the report, Keaton only participated in a week's worth of work on the film, which had already wrapped production

and was in the middle of post-production before being cancelled. That's right. Yeah. I remember that part of it too. So he still obviously got paid regardless. I mean, everybody got paid for that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Ben Affleck said iteration will actually be appearing in the Aquaman sequel. That's true. It seemed like fun, Keaton said, of his Batman return. Sure. It seemed like fun. It seemed like fun. It seemed like I had fun from what I could tell of me.

Yeah, yeah. If I know me, that's something I would think. These days on set, I just sort of, my brain goes elsewhere. I'm thinking about the wordle usually. I really want to think about the wordle all day before I take a run at it, you know? Yeah, absolutely. I was curious what it would be like after this many years. Not so much me doing it, obviously some of that, but I was just curious about it weirdly,

socially. This whole thing is gigantic. They have their entirely own world. So I like to look at it as an outsider thinking, holy moly. Yeah, you would, wouldn't you? But it's classic Keaton. I love Keaton. He's always having a good time.

Yeah. So I guess for the flashpoint, he would have got paid at least $10, probably closer to $15 maybe. Wow. Fascinating stuff of a thing we'll never see probably or it'll leak at some point. God, it's astounding it hasn't leaked already. Yeah.

Maybe there's too many, maybe they've got the people involved, you know, under that pain of death NDA kind of thing and they're like, we're not going to risk this until this expires. Exactly. We get better lawyers. Yeah. Or like the old Warner Brothers guard, they're constantly cycling out people, which actually we can do that now.

Oh, no, before we do that, we've got some other news, Mason. It's very naive of you to think that I would move to that right now. Oh, yes. This is by a deadline. So Sasha Baron Cohen is apparently joining the MCU as Mephisto. Now, there was a lot of Mephisto speculation, first of all, in WandaVision and various times since. It's become a bit of a meme.

That's right. And now interest is completely called off. We're releasing a series of Mephisto and NF meme. That's right. And now interest is completely cooled off. Yep. We're releasing a series of Mephisto and NFTs. That's right. So apparently it's going to start in Ironheart, which I guess is as good a place as any. Sure. Do you think he's going to be doing wacky, sexy devil stuff?

Well, I think maybe we've spoken about this before, the rumour of – Is he going to be Mankini is my question. That's my question. Oh, yeah, yeah. So here we go. Yes, yes, yes. Almost certainly.

But it's red, obviously. Or black. Maybe he's red. Sure. And it'd be question. Oh, yeah, yeah. So here we go. Yes, yes, yes. Almost certainly. But it's red, obviously. Or black. Maybe he's red. Sure. And it'd be black. Black, yeah, okay. Yeah. I think we've talked about before there was a rumor that one of the villains of Ironheart

might be the hood, the magic-powered villain. Okay. He's like a low-level street criminal. He finds a hood that gives him magic powers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And cloak and so forth. So maybe that's where he gets them. And originally, I believe, canonically, it was from a different demon,

but then later they're like, we'll make it Mephisto, it's fine. So maybe that's it. If the original rumor is true, this one could also be true. Sorry, my phone alarm has gone off for some reason. Oh, yeah, that was my alarm for this morning. Turns out I set it for PM instead of AM. That's terrific stuff. Thank you.

You set it for 8.51 AM. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I set it for p.m. instead of a.m. That's terrific stuff. Thank you. I appreciate it. You set it for 8.51 a.m. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I was away, Mason. Oh, yeah. So I was like, I'm going to get up because we're going to get out of this place.

We've got nine minutes. We have to leave. Yeah, so I like the idea of also Ironheart, her not just fighting Ironman. Evil Ironheart girl. Yes, absolutely. That's good stuff, if true. So there you Man. Evil Ironheart girl. Yes, absolutely. That's good stuff, if true. So there you go.

Trailers ahoy. We've got a couple of posters and then a trailer this week for Creed. Third Creed movie. We sure did, yeah. Creed's back. And now Jonathan Majors is huge. That's right. He was always huge-ish, but now he's even more huge.

Now he is some sort of, he is a man from. He's an old friend of Creed. Okay, from Creed's past. And he goes, I could have been Creed. Could have been Creed. But you're Creed. If I wasn't busy. Yeah.

If I wasn't so busy doing even more push-ups and crunches. Yeah. And they were like, do you want to get into some of this boxing stuff? And he's like, nah. No, thank you. I'm too busy doing crunches, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then 25 years passed and it was too late.

Yeah. 25 years worth of crunches for no reason. Who is, is this? I think it's the childhood friend. Okay, but he's not related to any of the previous. I thought it was going to be like maybe another of Apollo Creed's kids or whatever. But no, apparently it seems like I reckon it's going to be one

of those childhood friend situations and, you know, they both take separate paths and he ended up going to jail but Creed took this other direction. Not jail. Not jail. And then it's like it's got that Clubber Lang kind of vibe as well as like a guy who's not been pampered in any sense. He's just an absolute maniac.

For sure, yeah, yeah. Yeah, out and about looking to do some big boxing. And did we know this already? This is Michael B. Jordan's directorial debut. I think we did, yeah, we did, Yeah, but maybe you didn't know that. I almost certainly didn't know that. Creed movies are really solid, and they're some of the best Rocky movies.

So I would even say the Rocky movies in general, very solid set of films all around. And also, I know Tessa Thompson's character creating some beautiful music. No, bad music. Bad music. I wonder if they're going to acknowledge any of that or that if she's deaf anymore.

Have they dropped that? Great question. But no, we'll see. We'll see what happens and everybody's getting big muscles and they're going to hit each other. That's right. And this should be interesting. I did see a bunch of criticisms that were like,

it doesn't even look like they're really hitting each other. It's like, they're not. Maybe some of it, but it's mostly them not hitting each other. I mean, I would say the vast majority of the movie is people not hitting one another. Oh, yeah I would say the vast majority of the movies is people not hitting one another. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Okay.

Most of the run time. Yeah, you would have put a percentage on it, or you're not quite ready to commit to that? I'm going to say 85% of the movie is people not hitting each other. Wow, that's pretty good. Yeah. That's great. I mean, it's still nonstop thrills.

Tessa Thompson's making all that music. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, yeah. Let's do some DC stuff, Mason. You probably heard this week that Walter Hamada, who was the former head of DC and Warner Brothers, all of that, he's out now. He's out on his caboose.

He had a tumultuous run. I know him and Ray Fisher had many a run-ins. There was various accusation and all of that, and the whole regime of DC films, as it often is and always has been, maybe not always, it wasn't a great time, was it? No, absolutely not. It doesn't mean to solve the 10 years. Don't get me wrong.

But it's okay. There's a new 10-year plan. Exactly. There's always a new 10-year plan. We're in phase one again, according to The Rock or whatever. Yeah, that's right. So Black Adam is phase one or is it the start of phase one? James, not again.

This is DC's 10-year plan. It's just starting now. Oh, this is it. This is it. There's never been a previous 10-year plan. It's just starting now. Oh, this is it. This is it. There's never been a previous 10-year plan. Don't even worry about it. But anything that people might like they might bring back? Sure, yeah.

Yeah. But that's not to say there hasn't been good stuff in there because there obviously has, but the direction is just, they've been zigzagging all over the place. And part of that, for example, is Emerald Fennell's Zatanna movie is dead. She did Promising Young Woman. Oh, sure, okay. I think she could have made a good Zatanna movie is dead. She did Promising Young Woman. Oh, sure, okay. I think she could have made a good Zatanna movie,

but now she's not going to do that. And she's going to make an even more promising young woman. You know how promising that last one was? This one's got even more potential. That's really great. Yeah, so that's a shame. Zatanna could have been good, but then again. She's so organised, this one.

She's got a big binder. That's right. She's got a journal and a diary. It's all tabbed. Yeah, it's all tabbed. I was making the symbol for being tabbed. She's not licking her thumb, though. She's got one of those little sponges.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. She absolutely does, yeah. First thing she does every day, she organizes a desk. She puts a little water on that sponge. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, maybe they went, hey, we've got a magic guy. We've got a magic guy already.

And there's another magic guy in Marvel. There's too many magic guys, so no. The other thing is apparently, this is according to THR, James Gunn has pitched a mystery movie to DC and potentially more. So when you say a mystery movie, you mean the movie he has pitched is a mystery to us, not it is a mystery like a murder mystery. Yeah, no, that's exactly it. It might even be a mystery to him though.

He's like, I don't know. I'm just going to start shooting and see who's there. That's right. See what costumes we have. Whoever's in the room, whatever we got, sure. I'm mostly CG. We can do anything then. That's fine.

I just get whoever I want in and they can just say whoever they want to be. Did you notice Pierce Brosnan's CG spandex? I did, yes. Because you can see around the neck. It's like there's no like – he's a magic man, isn't he? Yes. He's got that helmet. I don't know if you saw that.

Yes. We'll talk about it. And there's another character again that might be getting potential movie, which we'll talk about after Black Adam spoilers. But also in terms of the Flash, this is via MyTimeToShineHello on Twitter. Oh, yes. He says, the idea is to recast the Flash after Flashpoint. Here's the tweet, Mason.

Get ready. I'm ready. I hear they have a short list in place with George McKay at the top. He was from 1917. He's the lead in that. Huh.

It's probably too old then, mate. Yes, good. The only decision they'll make after the Flash arrives is which actor will be the one to replace Ezra.

And whoever's in the room at the time. Yeah, exactly. Who fits this? The system we've developed is whoever shows up first on the day gets the job. Because at this point it's fine. It's whatever, it's fine. So apparently Ezra Miller went back for some flash reshoots as well recently. So I think they're just like, let's just get this.

Let's just, can we just get through this? Please just finish this. And's just, can we just get through this? Please just finish this. And it's probably coming out. You're in one of the one and a half movies we're going to release next year. So if you could. Well, let's get into that. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London.

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That's correct. So they'd better be bangers. They'd better be unmitigated successes that everybody loves. Rotten Tomatoes scores are 90% or above. Certified fresh. So they'd better start paying people off is what I'm saying. That's what they do. User reviews obviously would have to be additionally through the roof.

Oh, yeah. The first one was. Don't worry, darling. Yep, that one. I haven't seen it. Yep, also haven't seen it. But I did read an article that spoiled it and I'm like, that's fine. That'll do.

I get it. Yeah, I get it now. All right. So not a big hit. It seems to be asking the same questions I would be asking if I watched that movie. I'd be like, what's the deal with the thing there? Sure. Yeah, yeah.

Oh. Yeah. You get the experience of having questions about a movie. Very evocative article. It was like I was there. No doubt. And the other one, of course, is Black Adam. When I watch the movie, I'll be like, big Time magazine vibes coming off this article.

Look at this movie. That's it. So the second one, of course, is Black Adam, which is, as mentioned, finally here. It was cast 2008, 2009 maybe. They've just been sitting on it. In terms of box office. When the rock had hair. When the rock had hair.

Oh, the early fan heart. And then he shaved his head. Yeah. And he continues to shave his head to this day. But if you go back to the early fan heart, he's got the Widow's Peak slick back. Which is the traditional kind of Black Adam look, yes. But now they've changed the comic so he's got this look, obviously.

For a bit at least. DC editors are over there, artists, being like, no, vania, more veins. over there, artists being like, no, vania, more veins. So $195 million budget. Not surprised at all by that. Speaking of, just to cut you off there. Sure.

Recently I learned, and this is from Editor Matt on Twitter, he pointed out that Pirates of the Caribbean 4 is the most expensive movie ever made. That's incredible. It cost $400 million. And? Yes. What is it? I don't even know which one it is. I don't know which one it is.

I don't know what the subtitle is. It's the one with Penelope Cruz and the mermaids, and it's got no- So the way we're ending, when magic ends or something? Or is that five? When magic ends. There's one where the quest is to go out and get a thing that destroys all the magic in the world.

That's a great question. Isn't it, though? It's the one that's got, what's his fucking name? He's in Deadwood. He's the bad guy. He's Blackbeard or something. Oh, I remember that one. That's the one based on a book.

It's an unrelated book and they just kind of adapted it very loosely. Yeah, that's the problem. Yep, I reckon it is. On Stranger Tides. Yes. That's the subtitle. It's on Stranger Tides. It might not be it, problem. I reckon it is. On Stranger Tides. Yes. That's the subtitle. It's on Stranger Tides. It might not be it, though. I don't know. Anyway, so relative bargain, $195 million.

I think so, for what you're getting here. $60 to $60 million it looks in terms of a US opening weekend, which is not terrible. It's mid. It's not that bad. No, no, James. You can say that all you like, but I can easily refute you by terrible. It's mid. Mid. It's not that bad. No, no, James, you can say that all you like, but I can easily refute you by going, oh, mid.

That's a good point. It's mid. And I did get emotional, so you are. It's true. Yeah. And it seems about 30 million internationally on top of that. So 90 to 100 million worldwide, I would say. But this is via Getish Panda, a tweet that they put out, and this was then, again, via comicbookmovie.com.

They said that even if Black Adam rises to $65 million for the opening weekend, that will be 21% bigger than the 53.5 opening of Shazam in 2019. So factor in three years of ticket prices increases and Black Adam is likely to reach an audience size only 10% bigger than Shazam's with a production cost 100% bigger. Oh, no. So in terms of return on investment, and obviously it depends

on word of mouth and drop off and all of these different things, it seems as if at this point it's not a disaster by any stretch, but it's not like the most bang for your buck you could make with something like this. Luckily we're not paying for it then. Yeah. We didn't even pay for our tickets. Oh, wait, you did. I did, yeah.

But I think also. I got a free Coke and a popcorn. Not to brag. And I just don't know whether this is a movie that people are recommending to each other, which we'll get into. But before that, I need to know what you think the story was. Oh, no. Yeah.

All right. Well, this will be easy because a young boy does a narration at the start of the movie and he explains exactly where we are. Yep. Like, hey, you might be wondering what's going on here. Well. I wasn't. Okay, we're in the country of Kandak.

It's in the Middle East. All right. And then bloody, bloody, there was a, back in the day, there was an evil guy and he was like, I'm so evil, I'm going to get you. I know. But then the Shazam guy showed up, the wizard guy, and he showed up and he's like, hey, but we make a champion out of a magic. Hello.

We get a guy and we get a magic and put them together. We get a magic guy. Yeah. He'll be the thing, but then. Shazam, wasn't it like we don't normally give this to kids? That's a great question. Yeah. I mean, I've seen movies.

Yeah, sure. I've seen, I liked it. That's right. Yeah. It's like a last resort to give it to a kid. Anyway, go on. Yeah. I mean, I've seen movies, but I don't know. I've seen, I liked it. That's right. Yeah. It's like a last resort to give it to a kid. Anyway, go on. Maybe. Yeah, but kids these days, you know what I mean?

It's different, isn't it? You wouldn't give, you know, omnipotent magical powers to a kid these days. Yeah, you're right. And The Rock would have been, like, back then, he would have been- Give him drugs in Halloween candy is what you'd give him, you know? He would have, The Rock would have been 14. Thousands of dollars worth of drugs. Yeah, put them in there.

Just give it away for some reason. Give it away. Give it away. Give it away. Give it away now. That's right. You'd red hot chili pepper them. You'd red hot chili pepper those kids.

But then they did. But then what happened? Where's he gone? He's been gone for 5,000 years. Where's the guy? Where's the guy? Where's the guy? We're going to find out in the movie Black Adam.

Let me tell you that much. Yeah, he comes out. He's back. He goes, hello. It's the future now, Monday. That's right. Now, I think that was a pretty good summary. I agree.

They probably could have used that in the movie. That's right. Let me tell you this, James. We have, well, actually, you know this. Yeah. But let me tell you this, listeners. We have not discussed the movie Black Adam at all. No.

Even for a moment before this. So this will both of these react, whatever these reactions are, there'll be a surprise to us. We should have a camera on each of us. Yeah. So we can do separate reaction videos where we tell each other our opinions of the movie Black Adam. We can be like,

Yeah, okay, sure. We'll do it later. Do you want to go after? Not a live reaction. No, we'll do a fake one. We'll do two fake live reactions and put them on YouTube. We'll need a lot of destructible environment around us.

Like, I've got a bottle here and a microphone. I'll smash some stuff and kick some stuff over because I'm astounded by the things you're saying. Anyway, what did you think of it? I thought it was pretty fun. Okay. Yeah, right? I guess.

James, my opinions have become completely unmoored from reality. I'll tell you that much. I thought this was – here's the thing. I went into this movie. We've mentioned this before. If you listen to the podcast on a regular basis, we have been talking about this movie for quite a long time and we've seen trailers and we've talked about The Rock's various performances

in things and how the demands of his camp in terms of what he will do on screen and can he be defeated and all this sort of stuff. Yeah. And I went into this. I certainly didn't go into this hoping that I would hate it or anything like that. No. Even though I'm a big DC hater, as you know, I only love Marvel movies. It's true, it's true, it's true.

And I hate everything DC. Yeah. But I'm like, I think this is going to be pretty plainly obvious you know all the things we know about of the rock production yeah and i'm like this is pretty good i thought he like i enjoyed him because i think the rock has always been like very charismatic like as long as as long as he's been around but in terms of like a movie this is just like the most middle of the road thing i might have ever that's interesting yeah I know, like, I love the idea of seeing the Justice Society and fancy helmets and Hawkman and all of them.

Oh, there were fancy helmets galore. By that I mean two? Three if you count Adam Smash's mask. Sure. But I wouldn't. I wouldn't either. But I just think there was so much about this was just like, why is this happening and this person isn't very interesting.

What kind of superhero team is this? They suck. Look, the movie certainly has its flaws. It has a number of plot holes that are big enough for a Dwayne The Rock Johnson actor and famously large man to simply comfortably stroll through. Oh, okay. And we can talk about those in spoilers, I think.

But I liked The Rock in this. He's good. I thought the supporting cast were good like the justice society members i thought were pretty fun and entertaining especially aldous hodge as as hawk yeah i thought i thought i i thought he was i like him i've got questions about his hawk abilities right yes which is which is not a plot or i'm just curious that's not like i'm not being but they didn't exactly explain this and I don't get it. I'm more curious and I like Pierce Brosnan's Doctor Fate.

The other two, completely take it or leave it. Right. There's a guy who's – I think they were put together as like a cutesy kind of will they or won't they kind of – because we have Atom Smasher and we have Cyclone who are both kind of rookie heroes. But there's just – okay, we can start on that team though, but just the idea of like.

This is going to be a real reverse Thor Love and Thunder, I think. Yeah, maybe, yeah. I'm going to be saying stuff and you're going to be bewildered by it. Yeah, but again, I certainly didn't hate it. It just kind of washed over me. Even though I liked even some of the non-powered supporting cast as civilians, I'm going to bring up their names because I can't. Yeah, there's a little family and whatever.

If they don't have a superhero name. What does anybody know about them? Exactly. We got Sarah Shahi as a woman who believes in the myth and the power of Black Adam. I think this movie could have done with more of her actually. And one bit that I really liked is when the Justice Society come in to save Quandark from Black Adam.

And she's like, what are you doing here? We've been under rule for like 27 years and you show up when we get a superhero just to batter this dude because you don't like his lightning powers. Yeah, yeah. We got Mohammed Amir as Karim, who is Sarah Shahi's brother. Yeah, I liked him. I thought he was fun.

He's kind of like a – he's sort of like a Middle Eastern Jack Black kind of thing. Sure, yeah. And he's got a recurring – like, you know, a lot of – look, we can talk about the soundtrack as well, which I thought was bad. But I like that his – It reminded me of Suicide Squad 2016.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like how every, like, you know, superheroes have their various musical motifs. Superman's got one or whatever. And this guy's musical motif is baby come back by player. Yep. I thought that was very funny. Not the Ron Moss cover? No, not the Ron Moss cover.

I even thought the little kid was not as annoying as he could be. There's other stuff I think we'll have to talk about in spoilers. Stuff that I thought was bad, yeah, I thought, like you mentioned, I think it took that element. This script also must have been in development for a long time. I think the plot holes in this have come down to, in a lot of instances, a bunch of rewrites. They're like, this didn't work so we'll rewrite it

and we've been left with another plot hole. I can't imagine Doctor Fate was in the original incarnation of this movie. Not a fucking chance in hell. They saw Doctor Strange and went, yeah, we'll do that. Well, see, that's the thing. What is interesting about this movie, and I think we mentioned it earlier in news, is that I think I've seen some criticism of this movie that's just like, oh, it's so derivative of Marvel and there's, you know,

well, Doctor Fate is just Doctor Strange and Adam Smasher is just Ant-Man and Hawkman is literally just Falcon because he's got the wings and the shield. Yeah, but I think they elevate, like as we talked about earlier with Marvel, it being Pierce Brosnan and Aldous Hodge. Yeah, yeah. I think they bring a lot to that, which helps. But just, okay, so Black Adam itself.

But it's also a function of like you just have to get in first. Because so Marvel and DC. Yeah, definitely. Or do it way better. Or do it way better. Or do it way better. Which this didn't. Yeah, right, right. I mean, don't get me wrong.

I love seeing the big gold helmet and he's in and out of the costume and all of that and he's got Vague. He can see the future powers and whatever. I liked all of that. I wish they had explored more of his abilities and it wasn't just multiple guys and triangles, which was also your problem with the original Doctor Strange where it was just firecracker kung fu.

This was that. Well, absolutely. I agree with that. I think the strongest part of Doctor Fate was that Pierce Brosnan was doing and I think his performance was good and interesting. And I loved his outfits. One moment on the plane he comes out and he's just in his like – His beautiful robe.

He's got a beautiful silk robe. He's like, I've been in the drawing room or whatever. Yeah. I thought his performance is great. Yeah, like the strongest part of that character was Pierce Brosnan doing that character, but the weakest part was, again, just you've got a character with seemingly unlimited power. Yeah, and like I loved seeing the multiple guy thing the first time it happened, but then he just keeps doing it.

But just to get back to Black Adam, there was a lot of just like people telling him he's a hero and then he's like, I'm not a hero. But then like a minute later, he's like, I'll catch that kid or whatever. Yeah, I guess I'll be a hero. I felt like it was repeating itself. Like there was twice in this movie where he picked up two guys and took them up to the sky to drop them to somebody else to catch them.

But there's things that I liked about him. He sat in the chair. Yeah, sure did. Like the comic book. Oh I liked about him. He sat in the chair. Yeah, sure did. Like the comic book. Oh, my God, yep. He sat in that chair. Have you seen the thread on Twitter of superheroes sitting in that chair? Yes, no, I have seen that. I like how, and this changes the movie progresses,

he doesn't walk and he doesn't stand. He floats everywhere, yeah. He floats for like, there's a moment at the start where the kid is following him down the stairwell and he's just like slowly dropping down, like having a conversation. Like he doesn't use doors. Like he's just got complete disregard for humanity. But again, it was that thing of like he was just helping people anyway.

Like, you know, I didn't feel the sense of that. He was a bad dude. He was killing any more people than Batman or Superman have killed. The villains in this in this movie is I don't think it's a spoiler. The the the initial villainy of this movie is intergang, which is normally like a Superman villain. They're kind of like sort of an international crime syndicate and they're just sort of fairly anonymous.

I thought that was pretty disappointing. The only thing they were missing was they were all South African mercenaries. I feel like it was a perfect opportunity to be like, these are all South African guys. I think there needed to be, I would have appreciated like a second tier villain, like not who is strong enough to menace regular people, but he's not a match for black. And I'm like, you know, like Blockbuster or somebody like,

you know, just a big Bruce. They can go, okay, well, we have, you know, we have men, we have soldiers with guns and we have anti-gravity bikes and we also have this guy who just rolls in and flips cars or whatever. I thought that would be... Yeah, I'd agree with that, yeah. But I think the draw of this, like a lot of it was supposed to be, you're seeing like all the, not just the Justice League

because I feel like they couldn't do that for various reasons and maybe they're saving it, was getting like superheroes to fight this guy. Yeah. But I didn't find that particularly entertaining. And I also think there's a twist in this which is in the trailers where it's like at the start it's the person who gets the Black Adam powers is not the Rock.

You're going to spoil it? I think we should take that. It's in the trailers. Is it? Yeah. Huh. He's like my son was killed and then I became a Black Adam. Like it's literally in the trailers.

There you go. And I don't think anybody's going to be tricked by that because you never see like his face. Oh, no, absolutely not. But he's just like standing around. That's very true. There's a rock and they've like thinned him down. Yeah, I don't know.

I just thought this was a very like straight down the line superhero thing and I'm like I enjoyed seeing it. But what are they hiding though at that point? It's like what's the twist? What are we doing here? No, that doesn't work. Like even if you didn't see the trailers, there's no way you wouldn't have seen that like no that's true but i'm just saying i think like overall i just found this to be like a very straight down the line

super that is like you know they're they're i feel like this sort of implements most of the tropes of a superhero movie and i just enjoyed the the execution of that did Did you like, I like the idea that the, and it's similar with the Suicide Squad, that the Justice Society just exists already. I did like that. We didn't need an origin for most of the stuff there. No. I like their little mansion headquarters with the. It's the X-Men.

They got the X-Men jet. Yeah, they got the X-Jet, yeah. There's also a moment where they're like, do you know this jet's indestructible? And then at the end it gets like batted out of the sky. And I'm like, oh, well, I guess it isn't. Yeah. Like what a pointless, is it?, do you know this jet's indestructible? And then at the end it gets like battered out of the sky and I'm like, oh, well, I guess it isn't. Yeah. Like what a pointless, is it?

What do you mean? Like we never see it be indestructible and then it's just knocked out of the sky at the end. We'll see, look. Was we supposed to go, wow, I thought that jet was indestructible? Look, logically the idea behind that is that it's nominally indestructible but the villains are so powerful that it destroys it. But you're right.

There is no proof that it is indestructible. So maybe Hawkman's just lying. Maybe he's just like, yeah, but like nobody's ever shot at it because it's, yeah, it's indestructible. Sure, whatever. I don't know. And he goes to his mechanic the next day or the guy who sold it to him. He's like, are you kidding me?

Are you kidding me? You said this was indestructible. There's a moment where Pierce Brosnan's like, the world needs the Justice Society. And I just don't believe that. Because, first of all, it's four people, and that's not enough. But I guess Black Adam is the fifth member, I guess, by the end. But also, most of them don't know each other,

or they're just starting out. And one of them is a really big guy who will run in and do a big punch and then someone will knock him over. Like he's terrible. He's a terrible member of the team and they're a terrible unit. There's a moment when they go to Black Adam and they're like, we're going to make this guy stop. Where's he from?

Ancient Egypt. Oh, he was a slave, was he? Yeah, we'll go and we'll ask him to kneel. You fucking idiot. Also, you can see the future, you fucking dumbass. He can see some of the future. Some of the future. James, he can see what the screenwriter requires of him

to see of the future. Well, that's exactly right. Look, I'm hungover. Maybe that's why. You've been on a dad's weekend. Here's the two sides of that coin. One, you're absolutely right. It was incredibly dumb.

I wonder how much influence The Rock had on this script in the sense that they just, instead of going in and saying, hey, just so you know, you're probably confused because you've been away from Earth for 5,000, you've been in a magic box for 5,000 years or whatever. Yeah. How about we just have a chat about this? But they show up and they're like, we're going to kill you.

We're going to kill you or put you in prison. And he's like, well, I guess we've got to fight now. Like that's the dumbest thing you could possibly do but i mean that's i guess they had to force their wife what they should have done i think i don't think this is a spoiler what they should have done because it didn't happen because they needed them to fight i understand they needed them to fight but you're saying there's a better way what they should have done is they should have been like hey let's have it let's have a chat and then somebody maybe a blockbuster style character or some or you know intergang or whatever, they set a bomb off

and both sides think the other guy blew up a building and then they fight. That would make sense. What I like about this, and we've spoken about this before many a time, but famously in the Fast and Furious universe, The Rock, as Hobbs or possibly Shaw, whichever one he is, has apparently – I think it switches movie to movie. It might do. He has a clause in his contract apparently that he can't lose a fight.

He can only tie or win, right? And it has been suggested that maybe he requires that in all his contracts now. And they all do in the Fast and Furious. Yeah, yeah. So maybe in every movie going forward he can't lose. He can only tie or win. If that is the case in this movie movie i think they did a pretty good job

of covering up the seams of that yeah i'd agree with that in terms of because again it's in the trailer so it's not really a spoiler there there is you know the classic superhero conflict where they have all have to fight uh i felt like as as a viewer knowing all i know about the rock and all these various characters even though i knew what the outcome was obviously going to be they're going to fight for a bit and then they're going to be mates the classic formula i felt like given a few more rounds it might be possible for hawkman to beat him in a fight you know what i mean i didn't i what i enjoyed about that fight was that hawkman was never gonna did i say hawkeye well it doesn't matter yeah yeah i could have been

he could have used the right He had the right arrow. He's got his own – the Rock in this has his own sort of kryptonite. Yeah. Sort of. The element Eternium, which is – But he can also zap it away. Yeah, you can only get it in Kandak and Intergang have made it into like anti-gravity and they've made it into –

And it happens to be the thing that he – Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever, whatever. Yeah, yeah. But you were saying – sorry about Hawkman slash Hawkeye. Yeah, like I liked that he kept going in to fight the Rock uh-huh and he was never gonna win that fight because he's just completely outclassed but he's dumb enough and like too proud to admit that this guy will just kill like if you keep going he'll kill you i don't know i kind of felt i was like he did quite well

i know but he's got his gear yeah but like he's that will get you so far like he i loved his spinning mace this is my question about him. Is he the alien one? Oh, I don't know. Where do his wings come from? Yeah. Is that, like, a backpack? Like, what are we doing here? It is.

And this isn't a complaint. It's a SpongeBob backpack. Yeah, I'm curious. Like, what is his deal? Is he the reincarnation one? That's a great question. I mean, presuming what the actual character's name is would probably give me all of that information.

It is. Kent Nelson is Hawkman. Kent Nelson is Dr. Fate. This is the classic Hawkman guy. So it's Carter Hall. Right, okay. I don't know which one. But also his version has been an alien and also been a reencounter.

Gotcha. So he has got – what I liked about it is, again, they didn't go with, he's just a regular man in a flight harness. They went with, he is. This is alien tech. He's not quite, he's not quite Black Adam strong, but he is strong enough to take a punch, a bunch of punches from Black Adam. And he's throwing cars and stuff.

Is it, is it alien Thanagarian DNA? Is it magic? Is it the suit? Is it whatever? I don't think it matters really. I agree. But I was just curious. And then again, that speaks to what you were talking about about i did like that these

guys exist that these guys have been running around or at least three of them have been and then and the new guy who else has been in this team great question what what is probably probably wildcat professional boxer who has no other powers who wouldn't have lasted that long in this fight fight ultimately. And I felt like The Rock was also, he was pretty much doing, you know, like your Drax or your Terminator 2, like he's got a little kid and the kid's teaching him slang and lessons. Yes, right, right. And he's like, I'm literal and I don't understand anything.

But then he slowly understands sarcasm and he's got his little catchphrase that he wants to do. I think if this does well and it's doing fine. It's doing okay. It's doing okay. It's not terrible. But they have no other options ultimately, DC, at this point. I suspect potentially maybe the Justice Society will supplant the Justice League.

I don't know. I think it depends what they're doing with, and we'll get into spoilers, and everything else that's also happening. And we've got Batman, Ben Affleck's returning. Maybe, yeah. There's Apple Man movies. But he could be in the Justice Society. He's been in the Justice Society before.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, and also... Maybe they're going to do Justice Society versus Justice League. Whoa. Whoa. You seem thrilled for that. Yeah, I'm thrilled. Can you tell?

I mean, this could be... I reckon there's somebody in Warner Brothers and in DC going, okay, remember how the Avengers was a bunch of second stringers way back in the day, a trillion years ago the Avengers was a bunch of second stringers way back in the day, a trillion years ago? Yeah. And they made it work. What if we look at the Justice Society roster?

Yep. And we go, what if we get old Green Lantern and old Flash and others? Here's the question for you. What if we get Mr. Terrific? What if we did get Mr. Terrific? Sure. I like all those ideas. What font is the fair play on his leather jacket going to be in?

I think, you know, 10 years. Wing dings? Impact? Comic sans. Comic sans. As a reference to comic books. That's great. Thank you.

But 10 years ago, I think the idea of seeing all these characters together on screen would have been wild. Oh, yeah. What a bunch of oddbods to bring together. Yes. But now it's like we've seen so much weird stuff since then that it's just not enough for me to be like, that Doctor Fate costume looks incredible. And it does. It does, yeah.

And that helmet, love the design, love all of that. But I'd like to issue a challenge to the Rock, Mason, if you don't mind. Uh-oh. Push-ups? No. And look, again, I think he's good in pretty much everything he's in. Even the things that I really don't like, the movies,

I like him in it. But when is he going to make an actual great movie? When is he going to make a movie that's not just fine? Great question. A rundown sequel is what you're saying. Well, I think his best is probably the rundown. The Jumanji movies are pretty good. The Fast and Furious ones he's in, you know,

I know there are some good moments and good ones in there. But if we're comparing him to Arnold or Stallone or any of the exact same heroes, even Bruce Willis or whatever, where's his Terminator? Where's his Rocky? Where's his John McClane? This is just this. And the last one was fucking Jungle Cruise,

which again was fine. And again, he's good in it. But it's just, I don't know whether this- You know there's a small chance that he will reply to this because sometimes he does. Sure. Look, again, don't beat me up and we'll do push-ups together. But I want, I know.

If you can do more push-ups than The Rock, he will search out his Terminator. How about he does push-ups with me on his back and then vice versa? That's perfect. You know what? The problem I think, though, is that. I think it's his team. I think it's this sanitized image that's going on i think it's the team but it's also he can do it though

is what i'm saying he's got the ability to do it i'm saying also that it is the team but it's also there's an absolute like dearth of directors who are allowed to do a new thing yeah like every like all the you know most of the people they get to do marvel stuff stuff and DC stuff or whatever just comes in and does what they're told. Like James Cameron didn't come in and do what he was told for Terminator. You're exactly right. You need The Rock, unlimited charisma and unlimited biceps. And you need someone to have enough creative freedom to say, I want to do this and I think it would work well for The Rock. And his team to agree on it and a studio to go, okay, I guess.

Imagine if The Rock did his true lies. You know, like Arnold on his own. The Rock is a whole industry unto himself. Like he's making creative. Whenever we say The Rock also, folks, we do a big glow, like we try to imagine with our arms the biggest thing you can possibly imagine. But like he's an ecosphere of like, do you know what I mean? We try to imagine with our arms the biggest thing you can possibly imagine.

He's an ecosphere of like, do you know what I mean? And he's making these properties and he's making these big decisions. But I think you need someone to come in, a James Cameron or Scorsese, I don't know, somebody, and just be like, I have this fantastic idea and this role will suit you. And you do the thing that you do, but put it in a narrative that's that's not just fine and the thing is as well i think that now that you do mention that that he's been in stuff that is akin to that sort of thing but none of it but again it's it's all studio interference and what have you like he did that movie central intelligence

yeah which i'm red notice probably this is the shit that we're doing. It probably has elements akin to true lies and they probably go, they probably look on the whiteboard and go, okay, this is going to be true lies. Yeah. But we can't do that and that and that. So, yeah. This is what's left. What if he did a Safdie Brothers movie or something? Sure. Yeah. But like, what are the movies that

people are going back for for him? You know? What are the ones that people remember other than him as a person? And maybe pain and gain, maybe? Okay, sure. Great. James, these are all great questions. We're asking the big questions.

Yeah. And I think it's a credit to the movie Black Adam that it's brought us to the point that we're asking these questions, which I think means to me that it is, in fact, a good movie. And, again, I thought it was okay. It is. It is, isn't it? Should we go into spoilers now?

I think we should, yeah. I'm going to say best movie ever. I had a good time. I was not, again, we're going to talk about plot holes in this. I don't even, that doesn't even, none of that shit bothers me. To me, yeah, yeah, yeah. To me, this felt akin to Spider-Man No Way Home. I don't know if that is blasphemous to say or whatever,

but I'm like there were a bunch of holes in this movie. Do people hate that at the moment? I don't know. I don't know. There was a backlash and then there was a backlash and then there was that phase where everybody was just posting single frames of the movie and going, this sucks, whatever.

And I think that's already started to happen with Black Adam. Have you seen the famous sort of nose-diving the rock single frame? Where he looks like he's got a GoPro on his stick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what he said. I love that. At least it looked different, you know? To me, these felt similar in that I liked the charismatic leads.

I liked all the supporting cast. I think there was some good fun action in it for me anyway. Yeah. It didn't break any – like there were no twists that blew my mind or anything like that, but I thought, okay, everybody's good in this, aren't they? Good time. He was marketing the movie based on the one huge reveal.

You've got to say it's best movie ever at least now because it's over. Yeah, I guess it is. It's been literally more than a decade. Look, I didn't hate it. So I guess it's best, but this is so middle of the road. If we had that ranking, it would have been right in the middle. That's right.

Yeah. All right. Spoilers then. All right. Amanda Waller's in this. Jennifer Holland turns up in a Trinity cosplay. She's from a better series. She's skipping over.

So is Amanda Waller. She's like, I'm in this Arctic facility and it's all very cold. I better wear this vinyl trench coat. Very confusing outfit. Yeah, extremely. Just didn't feel like it matched her character in Peacemaker at all. And I'm like, what's she even doing there? I don't know.

I thought she was living in hotels and tracking down weirdos. Is it because they screwed up the mission in Peacemaker? I don't know. Or is it a promotion? Maybe it's a promotion. I can't tell. Anyway, I love Peacemaker. I thought that was Amanda Waller and whatever.

I loved seeing Henry Winkler. I forgot about that. As Black Adam's uncle. No, as Adam Smasher's uncle. Sorry, Adam Smasher's uncle. Original Adam Smasher. But this new guy's inherited his powers from his uncle? Seems that way. Alright, fine. Henry Winkler was filling out that suit,

was he? Come on, let's be realistic. That dude is enormous. He's a fridge. Not Henry Winkler. The new guy, yeah. I guess they got it tailored. Yeah, maybe they did, yeah. They put some extra gussets in it. They must have, yeah. I thought the villain of just being a demon man was fine i like the design i think when you see it's sort of no i just not even that just like it was so late in the day yeah but i did like how the rock tore him in half that was fun that was good i mean we did i did some non-spoiler

criticism of this earlier but spoiler criticism obviously how is this guy related to, hang on, let me just bring up the cast list. Okay, so we've got Sarah Shahi as Adriana Tomas. She's the professor who believes in the power of Black Adam, et cetera. Sure. She was good. And at least they didn't kiss. Yeah, that's true.

I feel like in a one-word movie they would have kissed. So the guy who plays her compatriot, her assistant, like the- The guy who turns out to be the bad guy? The guy who turns out to be the bad guy. Yeah. I don't know. That's why we needed another villain. Who was he even?

I know they kind of explained it. I thought initially they're related, but they're not related. But like he wasn't in- But not everybody from Kandark is related. No, but he wasn't in charge of the team. He was using the team to get to the crown. Whose backpack was that crown in? Man, that crown was doing some moving and shaking.

Let's get to plot holes, James. You've hit the nail on the head here. So the thing about this is that Sarah Shahi's character, she believed both that there was a champion in the past 5,000 years ago and also that there was an artifact, this crown of Sabacc, that had incredible powers and would only be used for evil. And it's how Han Solo won the Millennium Falcon. Oh, that's right.

Go on. And what she wanted to do was find it so she could hide it somewhere else. Yeah, because they were getting close. So an artifact that nobody's found for 5,000 years. The tomb was open. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the roof was open. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the roof was open. Yeah.

So she wanted to do, I assume she wanted to do a bit of Justice League, like dig it up and then stick it in a hole that's six feet deep and put some dirt on it. Yeah. But it felt very reminiscent of one of the Indiana Jones movies where if Indiana Jones didn't intervene, nothing bad would happen. Like if she didn't intervene, they probably never would have found it because they didn't know where to look. Yeah might be right yeah but i think what happened there is

i think i'm if i had to guess i would say the original script was she had all the skills to find the thing but she didn't want to find the thing and the other guy really wanted to find the thing but he didn't know how to get the thing so so he manipulated her into get finding the thing but if you did that then she's like a person with no agency who's just wandering around like oh whatever so they went let's make her more of a like a lara croft tomb raider kind of she does a big jump she does a big jump but but then that leads her in the position where she wants to find a thing that shouldn't be found but they're like yeah it's fine it's close enough whatever also so the the dudes in order to become the devil yeah what you have to do is you have to

find the crown and be in possession of the crown and then something like life leads to death and death leads to life so you have to get the crown and you have to die but you can't just shoot yourself because he would have done you would have shot himself you might even specifically need a black atom

well see that's the thing because if you could just get anybody else to kill you, you could just get one of your mates to shoot you. So I guess you have to be killed in a magical way. Yeah, because I guess the crown, like Black Adam, who was the first Shazam guy, he was built in direct retaliation to the crown. So I'm guessing that they're linked in that way.

The Netflix series of the crown. The crown, that's right, yeah. But so I guess you have to get someone magical to kill you, but he had no way of knowing that she would release Black Adam in the first place. Yeah. And he seemed incapable of doing that. And confused.

Yeah. And it was weird that he was like they go to this location where The Crown is and then there's just a lot of running around and screaming or whatever and you'd think they'd be there'd be a moment where he'd be like okay everybody stop just to be clear i'm the bad guy and if you could release black adam and then i'll do the thing with the crown or whatever but it was just and i i gotta say though i enjoyed just watching black adam just like slaughter a bunch of people i thought there was some really creative moments there's a slow-mo moment, which is pretty good, where you see him like, it's kind of like a Quicksilver moment,

but I think it's a little bit more creative than saying it's just like derivative of that. He's just fucking blasting people with lightning and whatever. I think that's all pretty good stuff, you know. But it doesn't, to me, though, show that he's a particularly bad guy. He's just a guy who. No, I mean, look, honestly, that's the biggest misstep, I think, is ace. The big guy kept falling over in the city. He's probably killing 40 people at a pop.

Yeah, yeah. Heroes don't kill people except by accident. And I'm sorry. And we have insurance for that, so it's fine. We have good lawyers. We get him off criminal negligence every week. Yeah, I think if one of the... I wouldn't say the biggest misstep but

one of the missteps this movie makes is this tired old trope of heroes don't kill which clearly was written pre i feel the entire concept of that was written pre avengers probably okay pre iron man yeah it's like do you see how many dudes iron man killed in that first movie so many so many dudes yeah he's still killing dudes he's dead he's killing dudes he's still out there yeah yeah it's so many unexploded shells all over the middle east yeah and i guess there was also a moment where pierce brosnan he sacrifices himself he puts up a big triangle net and so he can fight um the bad guy and he dies but i'm not i didn't really i didn't feel anything then i'm like he's probably just fishing out of that helmet he's probably in there you stick your arm and i reckon you pull him out like a rabbit yeah or get another guy because a

bunch of people have worn the doctor exactly right but I did enjoy that the hawk man he'd he picked up that doctor fate helmet trick I would have enjoyed it more if they hadn't have done it like eight times leading up maybe do it at the start and then he does it at the end yeah and it's a callback and whatever yeah that's Pierce Brosnan's go-to thing is is be eight guys and hold you. Sure. Yeah. There should have, I mean,

it would have been nice if there was any foreshadowing of like, maybe there is, maybe I missed the line of Dr. Fate being like, I keep trying to teach you this magic and you don't, you don't learn the magic. I keep trying to get you to put this helmet over the top of the helmet. You're already wearing.

That's right. Oh, you know what? I was going to mention that. Why are you leaving his helmet on the table, by the way, so people can walk up and touch it. And the wind woman is like, don't do that because it'll kill you, whatever.

Put a post-it note on it because this will kill you. He's on the team. You tell him all that information and you hold on to your helmet. Fuck, at least the jet's invincible because who knows what would have happened if he touched that helmet. That's right. Yeah, put a post-it note on the helmet. Don't.

Just don't. Just don't. Or maybe that's the test. Maybe that's your final test for being a Justice Society member. Yeah. It's like, don't touch a man's helmet. It's important. I was going to say, maximum credit to Aldous Hodge

and anybody else who has worn a Hawkman mask in live action because they look so stupid. I think it does a pretty good job. Yeah. And he's also, he's also he's very attractive so that helps but that's what i'm saying like you can't put that on anyone it is one of the most ridiculous looking helmets especially in close-up especially when it doesn't have like covered eyes it's just got eye holes and your regular eyes yeah sure yeah yeah

very embarrassing yeah no white eyes going on there or glowing eyes yeah i thought it was uh you know how the guy goes to hell and i didn't mind that visual motif of he's in hell and it's upside down and whatever it also felt a bit spawn when the guy goes to hell. I didn't mind that visual motif of he's in hell and he's upside down and whatever. It also felt a bit Spawn when the devil was like, Spawn, run my army for me. I'm busy. You can do this.

But the idea of him going back and then he was going to sit in the chair so the dead could rise or whatever, so like 29 zombies could show up. It just didn't feel like it was a world-altering threat, you know? Like was that happening everywhere? It didn't seem to be happening on more than one street. We didn't even see zombies swarming the Sydney Opera House or anything like that. Exactly. But you know what I mean?

There was like, in the town... Mate, we're rooted. There's bloody zombies everywhere. But you know, in the town, like, there's there's a, you know, there's 12 zombies and then a street over there's just a bunch of people standing around being like, we don't know what's happening at all here. It's been a busy day though.

Maybe it would have spread. I don't know. Yeah, maybe. And they're not exactly indestructible. No, they were very indestructible. It could be a guy who was early a shot just swinging a pipe in these fucking zombies and whatever. That's true.

Yeah. And I really didn't like the ending of, because they call him Teeth Adam. Yes. Or Teeth Adam, I think they call him. They call him Toothy Adam, they call him, on account of his winning smile. Yeah, but at the end he's like, you need a new name,

and he does that thing where it like, you know, it slowly, you know, pulls in on him. Yeah, the fantastic, the Fantaforstic ending. Fantaforstic also happens, you know, when they don't say Avengers Assemble, and he's got the little smile, and then it cuts to, it says, Gary Adam. Gary Adam. Gary Adam.

Teeth Adam. What? Yeah. Toothy ads. Sarcasm Adam. Oh, that's good, Mason. Pretty good, right? It should be something referenced that he's learned over the course of the.

Yeah. He did his catchphrase as well. That's right. He nailed it. Yeah. He got his comedic time. Action figure opportunity Adam. Great stuff. Should we talk about the post credits before we should talk about that the one other thought that i just had there was the um it did i i thought there would be like no uh

association with shazam the movie at all really i mean we got john on hansu yeah but i the thing that struck me as most shazammy was that the superheroes in this universe are like incredibly marketable and they've been very heavily merchandised like the the kid has all these cyborg comics and all that sort of stuff yeah and and you know there was a bunch of action figures in in shazam but that just i thought it was just interesting there was never a moment where they're like hey can you stop knocking all the walls out of my house please right he took out every fucking wall in that house i don't know how the hell it's still standing uh yeah i don't know yeah i don't know what to do with it so on the house is made of anth metal

also it's indestructible yeah yeah that's great yeah it's really really good anyway the real estate agent the next day are you kidding me yeah he said this was made of anth metal he said it was indestructible anyway so we know that now at this point there's four members left of the justice society but maybe black adam's not a member point there's four members left of the Justice Society, but maybe Black Adam's not a member, so there's three members left of the Justice Society. That's right. And they don't have a jet. But maybe there's a new superhero in town, mate, or an old superhero.

Oh, yeah, go on. Back in the post-credits. Oh, yeah. Now, Hiram Garcia, who was one of the producers on this, he was frustrated by the leaks, the idea that Henry Cavill, like it was revealed that he was going to be back. But The Rock has just been telling people this for weeks that he's in this movie. I think we mentioned, maybe it was last week, you said something like, oh, there's a spoiler

floating around on the internet. And I said, I hadn't heard about that. But I had. I just was like. Oh, it's part of the movie. It was from The Rock. I'm like, oh, okay. Right.

I didn't, I didn't, it didn't occur to me that that was, I was like, oh, some, some dastardly person seen an early screening and they've spoiled it. Yeah, The Rock did apparently. Yeah. I mean, I think also for him, it makes sense that he wants to be on the side of fans and he wants to bring back that element of the Snyderverse, that trended again. We were talking about that before the show, as it always does. He's gone.

He's not, he's not going to be back. Not for a while at the very least. He's doing Star Wars, Netflix or whatever. But, um, Zach's not going to be back, not for a while at the very least. He's doing Star Wars Netflix or whatever. But Zach's not who that is. But, yeah, I think he was just, you know, that was his way of kind of getting fans on board. And I think there are people that wouldn't have seen this if he wasn't in it.

I saw this movie with, it was ostensibly a media event, but it was all like an influencer crowd. It was like a bunch of very. How many seasons of Big Brother did you recognize? Like 16 seasons of Big Brother. Whoa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was Gretel Colleen there?

Yeah, Gretel Colleen was there. Whoa. And Merlin was there. Merlin was there? Merlin was there, yeah. From season four or five potentially. Probably, sure. Sarah Marie.

Sarah Marie was there from season one, Big Brother. Yeah, doing the bum dance. She was there. Yeah. Incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was Blair there? Yeah, Blair was there

Was he? He'd just come off Neighbours Neighbours was cancelled, Mason I know, but he's just been at home Depressed But he's come back for this Okay, great Yeah

Every person from every season of Australian Big Brother was there Doing the thing that they got cancelled for Just all of them there Not the turkey slap Yes Oh no, Mason Yes Horrifying.

Terrible news. All I'm saying is, look, I don't want to judge, but it didn't feel like the crowd was a bunch of very attractive people who I don't think are like ordinarily their opening night of a comic book superhero movie. Sure. And there was a cheer when Superman reappeared. Okay, well, that says something.

So that's a general audience likes Henry Cavill. They like seeing Superman.eared. Okay, well, that says something. So that's a general audience likes Henry Cavill. They like seeing Superman. Completely agree. So if anything's going to work, that's going to work. What does it mean for him coming back, I guess? And we can talk about that. But even if there's things in the works, who knows if that's actually going to happen.

It seems as if, and The Rock has been talking about this, that he is the one behind this. And he was pushing it for years, and the old Garda Warner brothers kept saying no and then they all got pushed out or fired or left or they died, I don't know. And now this new team are like, we think you're in charge of The Rock. So are you the boss?

Are you Kevin Feige and? It says here all of you are part of some sort of tontine and the last person alive gets to decide what happens here. So I guess you're the boss of WB now, The Rock. So this actually, this was a recent addition in pickups. And by recent, I mean it was shot in mid-September after negotiations. Apparently it's the only thing that he's currently locked in for. Like it was a one-off appearance.

Right. But there's been rumors that he's. How much do you think he got for it? Probably a mil. Yeah, right. I reckon. Oh, mate, well, for that. Well, apparently-

Or did he do it for nothing? Well, yeah. He feels like a guy- He wouldn't do it for nothing. Yeah, but I feel- His agents wouldn't let him do it for nothing. Yeah, maybe. He feels like the kind of guy who would probably just be like,

I guess I've got an arm to do it. Yeah, I mean, I'm in this suit. Yeah, yeah, I'm in this suit playing Warhammer, but I guess I'll do it. So what happens, this is via Behind the Screen podcast where cinematographer Lawrence Schur went on and said, originally they shot it the same way they did with Shazam, Headless Superman, right?

And it tested really well. So they went, maybe we'll get an actual Superman in to do it. So then they went to Henry Cavill. And again, it was a one-off deal. But the studio was interested in making, and there were rumors this week that Man of Steel 2 was a go and it's locked in but apparently it's not no because the next movie also might be Superman versus Black Adam it seems ah maybe they had a big long list they're like okay Cavill's at the top yep we can't get him Tom

Welling yeah Dean Cain okay yep wait no no it would be Brandon Routh yeah of course it would be Brandon Routh Tom Welling yep George or Christopher Reeve yep

the guy from the guy who was Superboy in the series one of the two people who was Superboy yeah the Justice League Unlimited

Superman voice actor we'll see if he looks any like Superman any of the babies from the movies baby Superman see what have they grown up to look like.

Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Dean Cain. And then Dean Cain. My goodness. So what did you think? I mean, it's good to see him. He's great. I want exclusively more Superman stuff.

We discussed this earlier, though, off podcast. I don't know if a Superman versus Black Adam movie is going to be. Like, what I would like is the thing that we've never really got in a DC movie off podcast, I don't know if a Superman versus Black Adam movie is going to be. Like what I would like is the thing that we've never really got in a DC movie, a thing that we should have gotten in Batman v Superman, which is they meet briefly at the start, they have a little bit of a fight so we can get that out of our systems, and then they team up to beat up a bad guy. That's what I would imagine the movie would be.

What if it's not, though? What if they've gone, for some reason we think Batman v Superman is the model and it's just going to be a long, drawn-out slog until we get to them fighting and it's not that interesting? Because ultimately it wouldn't be that interesting. I don't see it being that interesting. I'd imagine there's a moment where Black Adam is shooting lightning and Superman is shooting lasers and there's that bubble

that's building in the middle and it explodes and they both fly backwards into trucks. Yeah, and there'll be a moment, almost certainly based on what The Rock has said about this, there'll absolutely be a moment initially where Superman's like, well, you can't hurt me because I'm the strongest man who ever lived in the universe. And then Black Adam punches him and he goes, well, I've got magic. And you are vulnerable to magic as we know.

He's in rubble and you can see the blue electricity kind of sparking over him. And he's like, what the Swiss? I've never been punched like that before in my life. Except by Batman. And I've been... And Doomsday when he killed me. I've been hit by a frying pan by my mum when I was a kid because I was rude. I was a rude kid.

Yeah, I mean I don't know. I mean, I kind of don't, I'm not really interested in Superman versus anybody at the moment. John? I'm interested in seeing, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I kind of don't, I'm not really interested in Superman versus anybody at the moment. Sure. I'm interested in seeing, I mean, as in another hero. I'm interested in, can you make a very good Superman movie, please? Can we make a very good, or honestly, a very good Black Adam movie.

Sure. If what is happening here is, if that was like a symbolic passing of the torch or something, where maybe in the next movie Superman's like, I've got to go do Superman stuff, but I hope you have adventures in the torch or something where maybe in the next movie superman's like i've got to go do superman stuff but i hope you have adventures in the future or whatever that's fine with me as long as what i would like to see is fewer heroes fighting heroes even though that is a fun trope in comic books but the thing about comic books is there's a hundred every month and

if you want to do that and then the next issue they do something else but in this it's like okay we get one of these a year apparently now. We get a this and a don't worry, darling. Yeah, sure. I don't want to see just them fighting. Give me compelling villains. That's interesting to me. And I think putting two characters together,

I think the dynamic of it is more interesting than the punching. I think what they should have done, and they didn't because they wanted to make a Black Adam movie, was to make a Shazam Black Adam movie, and that should have been the first movie because they're linked. They've always been linked, those two characters. They're two sides of the same coin. They've got that lightning bolt.

They've got the lightning bolt. They've got the same powers. They're from the same wizard. But they wanted to do the solo thing. But I think now it would be a better idea, but probably not financially. Can we do that? And I think the idea billy batson being a child with the powers of a god versus a psychopath with the powers of a god what psychopath would be more killed so many men yeah would be more interesting yeah right but um but i don't think they want to do that i think they

want to keep shazam in its own kind of thing and hit to Black Adam because it seems like that's what the next movie is going to be also, which I am looking forward to because it's got Lucy Liu and I like the director and all of that and I enjoyed the first Shazam a lot. But I don't know why they're – I think they're totally too different to fight. I think it may be a mention of the fight. But I think that's why it's good though.

Also, there's little kids running around in this being like, what's your catchphrase? And it's like, okay, then you can do it. It's fine. It's true, yeah. You know? It's not like this is the darkest fucking thing we've's fine. That is true, yeah. You know? It's not like this is like, this is the darkest fucking thing we've ever seen, is it?

It's true, yeah. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of people telling you that they've done bad deeds, but then, you know, the bad deed that The Rock did in this is he went into a temple and blew up a fucking, the king or whatever. Yeah, yeah. And then he got put in a box.

James, do you have no respect for the monarchy? Honestly. We've been through this, Mason. I have nothing but respect. That's right. For our king. King, do you have no respect for the monarchy? Honestly. We've been through this, Mason. I have nothing but respect. That's right. For our king. King Brothers the Pedophile. No. Is that not his name? No, that is his name.

That's more of a title, I think. Oh, is it? Great. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, man. You know? They're making movies. I'm excited for this new first chapter in the DCEU. Is that what you think this is, though? I mean, it is, but do you think this is going to be the cornerstone of everything else that comes here on out?

I think they're going to try. That I agree with, but is this a solid enough foundation? Like, this isn't your first Iron Man. This isn't, like, your Man of Steel. This isn't even the first G.I. Joe movie. This is a fairly solid Avengers Age of Ultron, I think. Yeah, okay, yep. In that, I mean, you know,

I think maybe it's the best we can do at this point. I think DC needs to, I think they were onto something with. We've been saying this for years. They don't know. No, I know they don't. And they don't listen to us. But I think what they, I think the idea of doing, you know, you're Jokers and the Batman,

and I guess you could have a few mainline films going on, but this idea of everything's pretty much, you're just telling stories that don't necessarily have to be connected. The Batman's not connected to anything else. Yeah, true. I think that was working for a time. And I think this idea of being like, we're just going to marvelify everything again.

You tried that, remember? And then you panicked and you took it away. You made terrible Justice League and everything fell apart and everybody turned on you. In retrospect, you shouldn't have called it terrible Justice League. But then we get to this point where we've got this bastardised version. We're terrible, that's their catchphrase. At the end, they're all standing on a rooftop

and the lightning's coming down. They're all giving the thumbs up and saying, remember guys, we're terrible. But now we've got this kind of bastardized version of things that have come before mixed with like some Marvel stuff and whatever. And they're using one of the biggest, you know, movie stars in the world to be the cornerstone of everything. And I'm just not sure that any of this is going to pay off in any meaningful or financial capacity. It's not going to. But I want to see him try.

Absolutely. I'm kind of excited to see him try now. I mean, we're still getting second Joker. They're probably going to do another Batman. If you could bang out another Superman movie, that would be absolutely terrific. You know, there's things happening that are still good, but this is like, you know, again, it's fine.

All right then, yeah. Yeah. Would you say you had fun with it? No, not even. Wow. And you had fun with Justice League 2017. Yeah, but I was very tired then. Are you say you had fun with it? No, not even. Wow. And you had fun with Justice League 2017. Yeah, but I was very tired then. Are you not tired now?

No, I'm more tired, but I watched this when I wasn't tired. Okay, terrific. And it certainly didn't, yeah, I didn't feel better about it days on, days after. Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah. There you go. Got some reviews here though, Mason.

All right. These people are tweeting in, hashtag work with PlanetPod. This is from Broderick Henry. He said, I love when comic book shows slash movies just lean in and to allow the comic this of everything. And black Adam did that for me. I had hopes of it being just okay, but it was better than I thought.

Maybe the power balance has shifted. Best movie ever. See race says a hashtag with the planet pod. Just finish black Adam. The rocks Drax impersonation was spot on. Adam Smasher as Ant-Man was great. The Last Airbender, 00, Strange Fate and Captain Falcon were all fun.

Some wonky boss battle CGI and silly writing, but decent overall. Best movie ever. Nate Scaris says, hashtag weekly planet pod, Black Adam shows the DC learned nothing from why people disliked Suicide Squad 2016. Tonally all over the place, full of obvious editing room attempts to inject humour and visual flair into a dull, boring movie.

And Johan says the hierarchy of critical reception in the DC universe is about to be unchanged. Also, I know I said that I had fun with Justice League. It's not a good movie, just to clarify. Sure, sure, sure. This is better than Justice League. This is better than Justice League. It is better than Justice League. Yeah, we did mention it, but yeah, the soundtrack was not.

Oh, my God. Also, really bad. The world is a vampire. Really, really, oh, that was awful. And also incredibly bad timing having Kanye West on the soundtrack. Oh, yeah. That he is having an awful meltdown currently. I also didn't initially, I felt like when the movie started

with the narrative from the kid, I'm like, oh, this is not a great start. But then it sort of makes more sense when it's revealed at the end or sort of in the midpoint where the thing you already know. Yeah, the thing in the trailer where he's holding his son and screaming and being like, I'm not a hero. Yeah. Great. Should we move on yes with our lives no you want to you want to stay in this moment do you i want to stew in this mire forever all right do you know what's time for though it's time for what we're reading yep are we gonna read perfect you've nailed that mason a plus thanks. I'm doing a thing.

Mason. Hello. Yeah, so we're doing. James, be in the moment and do some stretches like The Rock would and then you'll be way into this. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I feel mean being like make a good movie. It's like he's obviously, and he has, he's made good movies

but I'm just talking like where is it, where's the thing he's good enough he could do it people won't know this because of the magic of editing but we switched off the recording for a second to do our stretches and then we came back but in the interim I'm like yeah but it's he could do a

we were saying he could do a Safdie Brothers movie he could do like a Robert Eggers movie, something like that. I feel like there was a moment when he was doing kind of more interesting stuff. I think like, like Be Cool isn't good, but the idea of him being a fun little kind of henchman comedy bit in that. Yeah, right, right, right. I think there were, you know, he's doing movies where he's, I don't know, he's sun snitching or whatever.

Right. But I think the thing is that he would. He was in the video game Spy Hunter where he also, you know, Captain Voice. He'd have to be willing to, one, take a pay cut because a movie that he could be in that might be incredible is not going to get greenlit by a big studio without a lot of changes. So in order to make a movie that is in the vision of the director, it'd have to be low budget to get greenlit,

which means The Rock is going to have to take a pay cut to be in it. Yeah. But also he would have to be willing to be in a movie that isn't going to be number one at the box office necessarily. You know what I mean? Necessarily, yeah. Right? If there isn't a chance that it could – like he could be in The Northman.

Yeah. Which we meant. He could have fought that bear that DiCaprio fought. Yeah, that's right. But I mean he doesn't – But he would have beaten it. But is he one of those guys that looks like he knows what an iPhone is? Yeah.

Because Skarsgård, whichever Skarsgård was in that movie, like he's got the look of, especially in that role, if you like, he doesn't, yeah, he belongs there. There's a difference between him and like what he's doing in Hercules. Like he's looking different, I mean. Yeah, yeah. He's a guy who, how is he that big? Right.

You know what I think it also might be? He, like the roles that made like Arnold famous as a Terminator, that was like James Cameron's first. So then you're tied to James Cameron. Right. And same with like the biggest, like I know Bruce Willis was a TV star, but Die Hard made him a movie star. Yes.

Stallone, you know, and he got Rocky off the ground mostly, but like that made him a star. So he did it early. They weren't the biggest actors in the world. And then they did, you know, like they were already tied to a character or a director that could succeed on a bigger level. My friend Jack Druce is a stand-up comedian. He does all sorts of fun sketches on YouTube.

Yeah, he's good. That should get more views than they do. But he has a bit about the other side of that, you know, that Sylvester Stallone story where he needed money so he sold his dog to her. And then when he became successful, he went and he bought the dog back. Imagine being the other guy in that equation. And he comes home one day to his wife and he's like, I've got a new business.

I'm going to buy and sell dogs. I'm going to buy low and sell high, but it's dogs. I'm going to bank on actors making it and then oh that's great but yeah he needs it's yeah so to finish that thought he needs to be in a movie that he's okay with not being the biggest action star in the world and maybe let's make creative stuff go yeah and maybe not be the biggest like physically the largest action star in the world also like but but that's the thing He also has to want to do that. Yep. Maybe he is the happiest he is when he's making a big action movie

and he sees people seeing it and going, great job, The Rock. I love it. I love whatever. And he's happy doing that so there's no reason for him to do an artful movie or whatever. Tom Cruise has got Mission Impossible and Top Gun and whatever, you know what I mean? It's true, yeah.

All these guys have like a thing, yeah. Yeah. I don't know, man. I. You know what I mean? It's true, yeah. All these guys have like a- A thing, yeah. Yeah. I don't know, man. I don't know, man. Just don't know, man. Also, if you watch like behind the scenes stuff and you hear like, you see interviews with James Cameron and he's talking about Arnold.

He just doesn't take any shit from him. That's true, yeah. I think it should be, I will be back. And James Cameron's like, shut the fuck up. Just say the thing that I said. Like, you're not going to say that to The Rock at this point, you know? Yeah. Anyways, what have you been reading?

I watched the first couple of episodes of a TV series called The Peripheral. Oh, yeah. Did you watch it like this? Oh, I see. At a funny little angle. A little play on word there. Play on word. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A little play on word. The word being peripheral. Correct. Correct, correct. Yes, I did watch it out of the corner of my eye, my little eye. Sure. But it's based on the novel by William Gibson, who I'm a big fan of.

Right. But I'd not read this book. I bought a copy and I'm like, I bet I can read this before the series comes out. And I couldn't. Not even a single page of it. You wanted to though, didn't you? Yeah, yeah.

But it's basically starring Chloe Moretz. Oh, that one. Hit girl from Assassin's Creed. She's Hit Girl in Kick-Ass. Thank you very much. And probably many other things in the intro, but I don't know what those are. But it's sort of a

set in a... It's the near future. She sort of lives in a backwards kind of town. Yeah. And one of the ways she makes ends meet is she like, she's like she does gaming for people. So like if, you know, if somebody's playing something like an online game, like a VR, she puts on the VR headset and she like defeats the boss for them. Okay, sure. Whatever. And then, but then she gets a delivery of like a new kind of headset.

She's like the Jim's mowing of going in. Yes, she's absolutely – that's exactly right. Oh, my God. The hire a hubby of whatever this is. Yeah, the grey army. All the other ones we – a hire a hubby is good. But, yeah, but she gets a delivery of like this new headset kind of thing and she puts it on and it takes her into a very realistic virtual world.

Oh. Is there more to it than it seems? No. Yeah, no. No, it's just slightly. It's the metaverse. Yeah, slightly more powerful processor and then she's in the metaverse. She's like, well, my leg's gone.

Yeah. I was promised legs. But now it goes in a parallel universe or whatever, you know, what it's like. Yeah, cool, okay. So you say it's a series it's a series so the first two or three

episodes are out now okay because I did see that big thumbnail and went okay that looks like an interesting thumbnail yeah it does look interesting the um

William Gibson did you say yes like the guitar yeah yeah he invented the guitar wow great really good stuff what about yourself James

what have you been doing great question well obviously I've been watching the movie Black Adam as many times as I can in my mind just replaying it yeah yeah yeah.

But also to streaming this week because it didn't go to theatres, I watched Clerks 3. Oh, why? I'm a big fan of the Clerks movies. Oh, I see. Like both of them. But also you have to. You have to have watched the first one in like the 90s. You can't get to it now.

No, no, absolutely not. Yeah. Absolutely not. You've got to be wired your own way. Because this one, if I recall, doesn't one of them have a heart attack and then they're like, well, I can't, I've lived and I've got to make the most of my life so I'm going to make a movie about clerks.

Yes. So basically it's the story of clerks where one of them is making clerks in the convenience store but they're both like 50 and whatever and one of them had a heart attack, which is obviously what happened to Kevin Smith. And I thought the metaness of it of like, you know, okay, because he also did this with Zack and Miri. The story of that was they were making a home movie

and whatever, so there was a porno and whatever. But actually it's pretty good and it's pretty heartfelt and I think it's a pretty, like, and again, it's Clerks, so it's all the dialogue and the references and whatever and they're all saying awful things to each other. Sure, sure, sure. Star Wars references? Yeah.

Any references to the sequels? Sure. But I liked it. I really liked it. Yeah, I think it's, you know, and I'm not a big fan of everything that he's done. Like I really don't like Jane's Silent Bob Strike Back, but for some reason I quite like the last one,

which you didn't like at all. You know, I just think, I like that he's just doing this thing that he does, and I always enjoy these characters, like popping around and seeing them. So next week we're going to be probably doing a little horror movie roundup. So if people have any particular recommendations,

I think we should both watch the same thing. I agree. I reckon we have to watch like three things. We'll do a Bodies, Bodies, Bodies. What else? I would like to see Barbarian. We'll do Barbarian. And then another one we should do.

And then another one. A third thing. I did have one in mind. I can't remember what it is. There was a movie on Disney Plus. Yeah, there's a bunch of them on there. Which apparently is, it came out in 2020. It's called The Empty Man.

Oh, I've seen that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it good? Yeah. It's worth it. It's also kind of existential and cerebral. And you get to the end and you're like, what was that? So I don't know whether it would necessarily.

I don't have time for that. I don't know. I liked it. I don't necessarily think it would be like. Yeah. There's a movie out now. I don't think we have it yet in Australia. It's called Terrifier, I think. And apparently it is bonkers.

Oh, Terrifier 2. I think it's Terrifier 2. Just based on some snippets I'm like, too scary for me. Thank you. No thank you. But if anybody has any recommendations, get them in quick. If you listen to this when the episode comes out, email in weaklookpanetpod at g.com. Let us know if you have any horror movie recommendations maybe that came out this

year. Nothing too scary. Significant Other, actually. I'll check that out. Actually, for Caravan of Garbage this week, we're doing Bram Stoker's Dracula. If you want a truly fucking bonkers experience, that is certainly something else. We could watch The Scorpion King again, obviously. Yeah, we could watch The Scorpion King

again. See what's out and what we could do. Anyway. Any wrecks, let us know. We'll watch a bunch and we'll be like, was this a good year for horror? Probably. We could watch Rick and Morty. We could watch Rick and Morty, it's true.

Also, here's a quick little plug. Oh, my goodness. If you are not signed up to the, if you're not subscribed to the Stupid Old Studios YouTube channel. I am. I am also. You should for a bunch of reasons. One, Beck Betrayed has put up a video.

I'm glad you brought this up because I wrote this down. Loved it. Beck Betrayed has put up a video where she got Naomi Higgins to cut her hair live on streaming, which is very funny. Oh, it's edited. It's not like a... Yeah, no, it wasn't a live stream really. It's very funny. But also, a friend of the show, Matt Stewart from Do Go On, from Prime Mates, from's edited. It's not like a – Yeah, no, it wasn't a live stream really. It's very funny.

But also a friend of the show, Matt Stewart from Do Go On, from Prime Mates, from Who Knew It with Matt Stewart. He's been on this show. He is releasing – this week he's releasing an hour-long stand-up special on that channel. So if you go to the Stupid Y'all Studios YouTube channel, there's a little button you can click to notify yourself. It's coming out on the 26th.

Wow, that's Wednesday. The 26th of October, I think at 8 p.m. It is, you're absolutely right. Other times are available around the world. There's a bunch of other stuff there. There's artifacts on there. Yeah, yeah. There's new studios up and running.

That's right. If you want to behind the scenes look. I was there the other day. Oh, was it, Mason? Very cool. I heard you didn't like it. What? And you told everybody.

Is that true? That's true, I did actually, yes. Right, that's really good stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool, cool. People should check that out. I think it's going to be real good. There's always different stuff going on there as well. Yeah, but Matt's thing is going to be a premiere,

so he's going to be in the chat room chatting with people. Oh, is he? If you want to suggest topics for Duke on a promo, just get in there. You can't escape. You can't be like, I was away, I was getting a coffee or whatever. You can't. No, you can't.

It's not allowed. Legally, he can't. That's right. Really good stuff, Mason. Yeah. Should we move it along? Yes. But to what and when?

The next segment is letters. I agree. And there's a theme to go with letters, and it's right here on YouTube. I hope it never gets deleted because I wouldn't have any other options. I agree. I guess I could play a previous episode of the podcast through my phone. You have to find it on the – you have to go to the time codes. I mean, Colleen's does the time codes, and that's great.

Maybe the person could set the video to private. I could just say, I'm playing it through my phone now, and then Collings would be like, oh. Anyway, this one's definitely live, though. Wow. The classic one was – Letters, oh, letters, we love you. Some letters, they're only a day away

I know they're here right now We're going to do letters Thank you to Collings for editing that in And we are going to talk about the letters that we get to the show You might even say You might, for example, hashtag Weekly Planet Pod on Twitter Oh, that's so true Just tweet my way

Or if you want to bother Mason with Gmails Go to weeklyplanetpod at gmail.com Don't go there Send an email there And then he'll read it Yeah, yeah, weeklyplanetpod at gmail.com. Don't go there. Send an email there. And then he'll read it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't go to gmail.com. No. Because there's not a lot there, honestly. No. I feel like it's... Oh, I also forgot to mention, I watched this documentary

this week. Ahoy, the YouTube channel Ahoy has a new documentary. Oh, what have they done this week? XCOM. Ooh, XCOM. It's a one hour and 40 minute documentary about the strategy game, the UFO themed strategy game. Now everyone's doing an XCOM. Mario vs Rabbids is XCOM you know. Oh. Well it's not actually

XCOM but you know what I mean. Everyone loves that style. Yes. That you know combat turn based arenas strategy. Very true. Whatever those games are. Yeah. Cool. But you can email like a friend of the show Shea Boskill has. Oh yeah. GreatMates Minecraft server.

We may have mentioned this before. But hey, James and Mace, I've been running the GreatMates Minecraft server for about three and a half years now, and in that time the community has built some incredible things together. I wanted to show off some of these builds, so I made a short video tour of the server and posted it in the GreatMates Facebook group. I was hoping you could read out the server address on the pod

to help us reach more mates. The server is available for Java edition and the address is play.greatmates g-r-e-a-t-m-a-t-a-e-s I'm going to say that whole thing again. Sure, yeah, yeah. But leave all this in because that's the beauty of this. You want me to leave it in? Yeah, leave it in. Easy done. play.greatmates.xyz

so g-r-e-a-t-m-a-t-e-s dot x-y-z. This has been the most wholesome group of people i've ever played with so i want to thank you and the admin team over at the great mates group for fostering such a lovely community also thanks to mason for giving the server his official endorsement on one of your live shows there we go no takesies backsies uh so here's the 30 second version of the server tour on youtube my goodness james you're going to witness this live. I'm going to pretend, Mason, that I like this. I'm going to turn the sound down. Oh, you don't need sound?

I don't think so. Unless you love music. So this has popped up in the Great Mates group every now and then. I always pretend like, wow, this is incredible. I've never seen this before, but it always blows my mind. Yeah, but it's new and improved. Yeah, I know. Every time I see it, it's like, yeah.

You ready for this? Maybe I will put the sound on. You want the ambiance? Yeah, I want the ambience. Oh, my God. What? Oh, your phone's ruining everything, Mason. My phone is ruining everything.

The experience. Or maybe your Wi-Fi is ruining everything. Maybe that's why. Nah, disagree. Turn the Wi-Fi off on your phone. We're flying through it. There's Viking ships. There's pirates.

There's, I think there's something in the Bible about, there's like Roman centurions. What's the link? Because it said there's a five-minute tour. Watch the full five-minute tour in the link above. I don't have that. I'll go into the Gmail. If you go to YouTube and you type in Shea Boskill, S-H-A-Y-B-O-W-S-K-I-L-L,

you'll get it. I'll check it out and then I'll know. But, yeah, there's something in the Bible, I think, about false idols, and there are enormous statues of us in there. We're real idols, so it's fine. Like those long-forgotten kings in like a Lord of the Rings movie, you know, when they go to a – God damn, that is enormous.

Those kings are dead is what I'm saying. Yeah, they're all dead. They're all dead. Did you watch Lord of the Rings? Did you watch a new Lord of the Rings? No, not yet. Could have, though. I could have.

It's true. Yeah, yeah. This is from Justin – oh, sorry, JustJonathan who says, Hashtag Weekly Planet Pod, can we get a recap of Harley Quinn season three? I just finished the season. I can't believe no one's talking about it. That is true. Yeah.

We kind of, I think it just came to one of the streaming services here. It did, yeah. It just came to binge in Australia. So I will get to it. But we'll probably do it in a wrap up with a bunch of other things at this point, I guess. But it is weird. Like a bunch of stuff has come and gone. Yeah.

Harley Quinn, Rick and Morty, I think we've mentioned is back. I think it's coming. It's on break at the moment. Yeah, but like a lot of people didn't know that was happening. Just. Is there too much content? I'm saying there's a lot of content. Wow, Mason.

That's right. I'm not afraid to say it. Yeah. But no, the new season of Harley Quinn is apparently still good, right? Apparently so. Sure. What else have you got, Mason? Here's an email.

Is there? Yes. What to do? From Motts. Motts. Motts says, Dear James and Mason, long time listener, big fan. You may or may not know that Pakistani cinema

hasn't exactly covered itself in glory over the years. However, it has put out a genuinely good product with international appeal of late. The movie is titled The Legend of Mawla Jatt. It's a remake of a Pulp Fiction classic from the 70s about Mawla Jatt, a prizefighter turned avenging angel, and his feud with the infamous Nat Clan. It's set in rural Punjab.

It's equal parts Gladiator, Game of Thrones, and Spaghetti Western. Would highly recommend a viewing on the big screen if you're looking for a familiar revenge fantasy story, albeit in a different setting than what you may be used to. It would be awesome. Also, I'd like to hear you guys do a mini review. I'm going to check that out.

I liked RRR, which is not Pakistani, but it is non-Western cinema. It's not an American movie. And it's not an American movie, if you can even believe it, and as a result it had the freedom to just go some crazy places. I still haven't watched that either. I have to ask, though, does The Legend of Mawla Jatt have a big dance sequence in it? It says,

well, the Guardian called it Game of Thrones meets Gladiator, but then they said, but bad. No, not really. So yeah. Okay, great. It says the movie unsurprisingly

ends with a big fight between Mawla and Nuri, which I'm, is that a spoiler? Probably. But yeah, nah. I wanted to go into this action movie not knowing there was any action in it,

but go off, I guess, James. I will go off. Go off, I guess. Yeah, no, I was. I was going off. Cool. All right, great. I'll do that, Mason.

I'll bloody check it out. Yeah, nice. But I'll tell you this much. Go on. Tell you what's going on here, Mason. What have we got here? So I've got this from Metal Eugenio, you might remember, who says, hashtag with the planopod,

is Superman reversing Earth's rotation the worst time-travelling explanation in movie history? I was under the impression that he's flying fast enough to go back in time. He's not literally reversing the Earth's rotation. Most people, as I understand it, most people think that he is reversing time by spinning the Earth backwards, which wouldn't work and is crazy. No, because is he spinning the whole universe backwards?

Great. Or is it just Earth? Only Moon Knight can do that. No, because is he spinning the whole universe backwards? Great. Or is he just doing it? Only Moon Knight can do that. Yeah. He's waving the stars like a big iPad. Yeah, apparently in that movie Superman is flying so fast that he goes back in time, which makes way more sense. Yeah, sure.

But then does that mean there's two Superman? Did he kill the previous Superman? He would have had to. Did he snap his neck on the way back? Yep. Wow. Unless that Superman, I know we've talked about this, because that Superman wouldn't need to go back in time

because of whatever and whatever. We've done an episode on time travel mechanics. Yeah, probably. We did an episode. We didn't rank, but we evaluated all the time travel methods. Do you remember that one? I think we got it right too. I think we almost certainly got it right, yeah.

From memory. I don't actually remember that episode. I vaguely remember, but I don't remember think we got it right too. I think we almost certainly got it right, yeah. From memory. I don't actually remember that episode. I vaguely remember, but I don't remember anything else about it. Yeah. Yeah, that's good stuff, Mason. But is there anything worse than that? Yeah, definitely. The thing about that is it's not, like a lot of sci-fi mechanics

or magic mechanics or whatever it is, it's not about what the mechanic is. It's establishing a rule and sticking with the rule. Yeah, so it is kind of bad in that it's never really explained what it is and it's never really explained why you couldn't just do it all the time. What about your Austin Powers? He had a time travel vortex. What did that mean? Is that good or bad?

Great question. Don't remember. So, yeah, I think it might be the worst one, honestly. We'll just take a moment. Let's do worst time travel movies and see what we get here. Timeline. Time Cop 2? What?

Yeah. Ninja Turtles, they grab a scepter. Ninja Turtles 3? Uh-huh. Mm. Mm. Mm. I don't know.

Knowing? Is that a time travel? No, that. That's a guy knowing something. That is a guy. There's two Nicolas Cage movies, surprisingly, with a very similar premise. And I think I've.

Have we. There's a knowing in the one where you can see the future a little bit. Yeah. They're different movies. They're different movies, yeah. Okay, right. Yeah, there's 15 Minutes of the Future, Nicolas Cage, and then there's that movie.

I don't know. Guy Pieces the Time Machine? Oh, yeah, great, terrific. But the issue is, again, like if it's game-breaking, then it's not. If it's game-breaking and then they don't remove it from the game, it's bad. And so the Superman one, I feel I feel by definition is kind of bad. Yeah, fair enough.

If he was like, oh, I can only do it because I've got the power of the thing from my spaceship or whatever and it's run out. Yeah. Then you'd be like, okay, fine. I lost it. I dropped it while I was going through time. I was breaking my future or past self's neck and I dropped it while that was happening.

So I can't tell. I mean, the amount of times they've done it in Star Trek, surely there's a really terrible one in there. I can't think of specifically one off the top of my head, but there must be, right? Yeah, there definitely is. And also with especially original series Star Trek, they kind of played fast and loose with it.

There's episodes where they're like, this is really important. We can't mess with the time stream. And then there's an episode where Starfleet sends them back in time. Yeah. They're just like, well, we're back in time, everyone. We did it. Yep. We did it, everyone. That's right like, well, we're back in time, everyone. We did it. Yep. We did it, everyone.

That's right. What else, Mason? Here's one more email. This is from Afzal. Let's do it. Hi, James and his son, Nick. Not true, but maybe. I am very youthful.

Afzal here from the UK. I can't remember the last time I've come across a channel and binge watched everything. The first video I saw was the Inhumans Caravan of Garbage. Your videos have now become my background media when I'm working. I wanted to know what was the most fun you've had making a video, similar to when James broke seeing Brendan Fraser's face in the mother house.

I did a job. That is a good one. The most fun. The video game ones are fun. They are fun, especially when they're not all, I don't think they're always good because you never quite, you can't really plan them out. Yeah, that's true.

In the way that you can. We've talked about this. And I think the problem with a lot of- But when you never quite, you can't really plan them out. Yeah, that's true. In the way that you can. I've talked about this. And I think the problem with a lot of- But when you get something wild, it's like, holy crap. The problem with a lot of video games ones is either you spend hours playing a game because it's difficult and it stumps you and are you even having a good time particularly? Or we play a game like a side-scrolling Marvel shooter or whatever

and you just churn through it. Because if you're playing an arcade game and you're just putting in virtual coins, there's no real challenge to it, and it's just kind of, oh, look, there's a guy. The only reason we do the arcade ones that I like, the ones that I think will work, the work when you just come across weird characters and scenarios.

Yeah, for sure. Because there's literally no stakes in it. Right. But, you know, like we did – actually I went to do like, oh, we should do a Black Panther one. So there's that Namor side scroll or whatever, that arcade game. And like it's with Spider-Man. And then I looked and I'm like, oh, we fucking did this.

We did this like last year. Yeah, yeah. But I think a perennial favourite for me is obviously when we did the Nintendo Entertainment System Star Wars. Yeah. And it was a quest to acquire Luke Skywalker's lightsaber in a way that isn't just Obi-Wan hands it to you. You have to make a series of jumps.

It's like pulling teeth, this thing. But I think that felt very good. That was a good one. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I think, yeah, that's an exception. And I think also, like, when I do video games now, I like to plan them out and like know and I pick a –

I've talked about this again, but I'll pick a particular level, you know, that I think is fun and then if it's like challenging, I like to get a little bit good at it so I can just talk about it where I'm not like struggling through it and talking at the same time, you know, like the Boba Fett game that we did, well, the Jango Fett game. Oh, yeah. We did a mission in that where you get the jet pack

and I'd basically memorise that level before recording it. I think also the- Which is also a fucking hassle, by the way. Episodes as well, in terms of like movies or TV shows, I think the ones that I maybe enjoy the most are ones that have like interesting behind-the-scenes stuff, especially drama. Yeah, but Bram Stoker that's coming out this week, just fascinating all around.

I love talking about that. What a weird movie. I mean, it's the 30th anniversary of that movie this year, and so, of course, there's been some discourse on Twitter and stuff like that. And it was pointed out, it is fascinating that Francis Ford Coppola's family. I say Coppola all through that video as well. Does it matter?

I don't think it matters. I think it will to some people. Okay, great. I don't know which one it is. The Francis Ford Coppola's family, like it's a nepotism family, but they're all just wildly talented. It's just a weird coincidence. Like Francis Ford Coppola just got his son, Roman,

to do the special effects. And he's just like, you want to have a crack at this? Yeah. And he's like, yeah, I reckon I probably could. I guess I could do cinema quality special effects. Sure. But from a by God era also. Yeah.

Great stuff. So that's, yeah, that's good. That again, Tuesday. That is good. But I do enjoy the Caravan of Garbage generally, but I also like researching stuff. Sure. It's a lot more kind of like,

because you also want to get it right, where I feel like in Caravan of Garbage, when you're saying your opinion, I'm like, this doesn't have to be right. No, that's true. It just has to be what I think about it. All we need is one of the editors to get the right facts and then put them on the screen to make us look like dumbasses,

which I appreciate. Absolutely. Of the stuff, of like the ones where you research a topic and you make an essay, is something recently where you're like, this was a lot of fun to think about? I really liked the Spider-Man suit heist one. That was good, yeah. Where somebody stole three Spider-Man suits from the Tobey Maguire movie

because also I found out a bunch of information that nobody had bothered to find or had been updated about what happened to the guy and what he's doing now, who stole it and all of this. And also additional information about a bunch of other shit that he'd apparently stolen. Sure, right. That he'd gone away with.

And I'm like, that one was just like a rabbit hole of just weird stuff. And I even left out a bunch of stuff. And I'm like, that's probably too personal, so I'm going to take that out. Right. Because I don't want anyone to actually find this guy. But, yeah, and I've got a few others like that, which I won't spoil because I don't want anyone to steal them.

A couple in the tank. Very exciting. Could be good, but we'll see. Very nice. Anyway, anything else? No, that's the whole show, I won't spoil. A couple in the tank. Very exciting. Could be good, but we'll see. Very nice. Anyway, anything else? No, that's the whole show, I think, folks. Great stuff. Great stuff, Mason.

Who's this? That's me. It's Little James. Oh. I'm under the table. Huh. Yeah. I got my microphone.

It's a little microphone. Are you? Because regular James is here. Are you a separate guy? I'm here too, yeah. I'm a separate guy? Yeah, I'm here too. Yeah. I'm a separate guy. Huh.

Do you want a seat or something, little James? I am. You don't want one. You seem actually offended that I've asked you. I thought that was common courtesy. Well, it's been – you know, it's nearly 400 episodes. You've never even bothered to ask me. I didn't know you were there on account of you being so little, little James. It's rude.

I don't think it is rude. Had I known you were there, I would have absolutely, I'm not in the practice of looking under the table, really. Little James, you probably should have said something, to be honest. I'm on your side, Mason. Thanks, regular size James. Just between you

and me, this guy sucks. I didn't know he was there. Yeah, we didn't. And then we were nice. There's a seat, right? There's two seats. He has three seats. He's got a pick of seats, this guy.

Yeah, I'd pick him up. I'd put him on the seat. Right? Yeah. God damn. Yeah. He's quiet again. I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what he's up to. Yeah. Let's put his headphones in. He's texting. God damn. Anyway, he was saying before we were interrupted. Before we were were interrupted.

See, also what's weird is he was like, good job. Like he was being nice. But I think it was just a, like I think maybe it was sarcastic. Maybe that's what he was doing there. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I don't trust. I don't trust. I don't like this guy.

I don't trust his motives. Yeah. I don't know how we'd get him out. Maybe I'll put out like a rat trap. Yeah. I'll get a broom or something. Anyway, thanks, folks. Is he a clone?

What is he? I don't know. I didn't get a good look at him. He was shrouded in mystery and shadows. He's under the table. I don't know. Do you think he's got rat DNA or something? Yeah, maybe.

Anyway. Folks, thanks so much for listening to the podcast. We absolutely appreciate it. Thank you for subscribing. Thank you for telling your friends about it because that's how we get new listeners. That's right. And thanks for leaving a five-star review on your podcast platform of choice. James, you got any reviews there?

Got a couple here. You can just do it in an app. It's terrific. Maybe that's what little James is doing right now with his headphones in. Probably giving two and a half star reviews. It probably is. Yeah, don't do that. But no, it really helps the show.

This one is from Wacky Wally who says, The Weekly Planet should be a seven-day service podcast. Obviously, James is covering all things Sunday, but what's the planet doing to service my Tuesday afternoon, Thursday evenings, et cetera? Mason is only one man. Yeah, we should do a live service podcast. It's updated.

A few sentences every day. I have considered like very vaguely, because there are people who do like the movie news every day, but I'm like, I don't want to do that also. Just be like, what's Warner Brothers today? It's like just the idea of doing that literally every day, I just don't think I could. And I like kind of filtering out a bunch of shit.

And also some days, not a lot happening. No, nothing's going on. That's right. And this one is also up here, Mason with five studs, from Big Time G Rant, who says, great podcast. This is my favorite podcast. I've been listening regularly since 2015.

It's been a great experience. Definitely would recommend to anyone even a little bit interested in comic books, movies, TV shows, and sometimes video games too. Each week, it is a 50-50 chance between a Twilight review or a Snake Eyes review. That's very true. Snake Eyes next week, obviously. We'll squeeze that in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You can just listen to the podcast. That's fine. That's fine. Absolutely fine. That's fine. Yeah. That's fine. It's the least you could do.

Yeah, yeah. Listen to the podcast. Exactly. Yeah. I mean. That's fine. Yeah. That's fine. It's the least you could do. Yeah, yeah. Listen to the podcast. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, you might want to support little James. Yeah. I think I'm going to put out a glue trap and then throw him over the fence. Making somebody else's problem.

Sure, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'll rehouse him. Yeah, great idea. You can also go to bigsandwich.co for $9 per month. Bonus podcast, movie commentaries, early videos, ad-free feed. James is just having a big old laugh about the greatest new character that's ever been created, Little James.

Yeah, that's right. Because so much character development in just that, you know? Yeah, absolutely. What a wonder. Yeah. I'm glad this happened at the end of the show because I've just been thinking about it. Yeah.

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That's right. Or in real life. Yeah. And that's the whole show next week. Horror movie extravaganza. Spookiest time of the year. Not just tax time. That's right. Can't wait. I show next week, horror movie extravaganza. Spookiest time of the year, not just tax time. That's right.

Can't wait. I do like talking about horror stuff. I also make Claire watch a bunch of horror stuff. Oh, yeah? For Suggestible. Did you make her watch Halloween Ends? No, I wouldn't make her watch any of those. No, if they were better.

Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, I don't know. Okay, what are you watching over at Suggestible? Great question. This week, I might do The Fall, the one about the big tower. They get stuck in the tower. Oh, yeah, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, that seems very suggestible.

Yeah. I do have a list of things, but I can't remember where I'm at. Mason. I'll maybe do some older stuff. Terrifier 2? Oh, yeah. I could recommend Terrifier. Maybe I will.

Do we have to watch Terrifier 1 or do Terrifier 2? Great question, Dunno. Yeah. Seems too grotty. Yeah? I don't know how grotty it looks, though. Actually, I do want to watch, we could do a new Pinhead. Oh, Hellraiser.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe. Maybe that was the other one I was thinking of. I think it's on Disney+. Oh, it might be. Definitely, it's on Hulu. It's on Hulu. Hellraiser. I think it's free on something.

I don't know which one. Are you astounded? Maybe we've mentioned this before. Are you astounded that clowns haven't come back, like public clowns? Oh, right, yeah. Have we had a spate of clowns? Yeah, no, I think they're all the people. Oh, you mean for parties or just like clowns hanging around and stuff?

No, I mean like remember when clowns kept showing up? Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'd think with the world falling apart, as it sometimes is suggested it is being, that there'd be another spate of clowns. Maybe they are, but no one cares, you know. It's like fad. It's true, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't know. Someone's like, fad. It's true, yeah, yeah. Yeah, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't know. Someone's like, oh, I'm a spooky clown. What am I going to do? And they're like, I don't know. Can you fix inflation? Yeah, exactly.

Spooky clown. I've got bigger problems. Can you ask my boss for a raise on behalf of me, spooky clown? That's right. Yeah, great stuff. I've got this weird clone following me around. Can you say? You got anything spookier than that?

Clown. Clown. Yeah. All right. Thanks, everyone. Grab that gem, you guys. We will? Clown. Clown. Yeah. All right. Thanks, everyone. Grab that gem, you guys. We will see you next week. Bye.

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