The Weekly Planet - 460 Avatar: The Way Of Water

Episode Date: December 19, 2022

The dismanteling of the DCEU continues on with anticipation of the DCU. This week we talk Henry Cavill's departure as Superman, some clarity in regards to Wonder Woman 3, plus trailers for Across The Spider-Verse & 65 and of course our review of Avatar 2: The Way Of Water. Thanks for listening!The Weekly Planet Awards Survey https://forms.gle/Fe6Cf54MvNoqXKX1AVisit bigsandwich.co for a bonus weekly show, exclusive movie commentaries, early stuff and ad-free podcast feeds for $9 per month.00:00 The Start05:07 Chris Nolan's Nuke in Oppenheimer08:12 Doctor Who New Look Outfit10:22 Donald Glover Spider-Man Spin-Off13:37 Henry Cavill Warhammer Movie15:10 Patty Jenkins Wonder Woman 3 Statement18:00 Henry Cavill's Superman Leaves DCU30:53 Henry Cavill Warhammer News Continued35:58 Black Adam and The Rock Round-Up41:34 God of War Amazon Series43:59 Scream VI Trailer46:30 Barbie Trailer49:24 Adam Driver's 65 Trailer53:16 Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse Trailer57:00 Avatar 2: The Way of Water Review (spoilers 01:20:33 to 01:31:44)01:31:44 What We Reading, What We Gonna Read01:38:07 Letters, It's Time For LettersJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownMaso's Instagram ► https://www.instagram.com/nickmaseauThe Weekly Planet Twitter ► https://twitter.com/theweeklyplanetPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesTWP iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767TWP Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetTWP YouTube Channel ► https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2QbmwGjT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Visit heartandstroke.ca. Red hot comic book movie news Shooting up your butt hole Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday. With me as always is my co-host, it's Nick Mason, there he is, he's waving his arms around. I'm doing some big helicopters. I'm one of those helicopters that has the two blades and those weird angles.

And you're like, why doesn't that destroy itself? Yeah. You know? Why doesn't it? I hate this. Very upsetting. Boo! I'm in an air show.

Destroy yourself! Did you see that video this week? It was an F-35. It was practicing its- Oh, no, just like- It's just the vertical takeoff and landing. And it just sort of tumbled to the ground. Yeah.

And then the pilot ejected out of it. And I'm like, I think that guy's dead. Oh, really? Mate, I mean, there's not – So like if the ejector seat goes off or you jump out of a plane with a parachute, it needs a certain amount of time to open properly. Oh, otherwise you just hit the ground. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I'm like, that guy had it rough. Damn. Yeah. Glad I'm not him. Yeah, absolutely. Glad I'm just part of an award-winning. Damn. Yeah. Glad I'm not him. Yeah, absolutely. Glad I'm just part of an award-winning podcast. It's great to be here. Even that time we won and we got fourth this year or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. Speaking of awards, Mason, I'm glad you brought that up. You're very welcome. Because next week will be the final show of the year before a short break in January. Probably not the whole of January, but most of January, Mason. And we have, of course, our Weekly Planet Awards. Now, there's going to be a survey linked below.

Unrecognized by anyone. That's right. So we obviously have our own opinions. Do we? Yeah. No, Mason, we do. I do a quick scroll of Twitter before the podcast starts. You're going to have to have your own opinions for this.

Oh, dang it. But there's also, of course, the people who listen to this get to have a say because it is a vote. There are multiple categories including, you know, best movies and shows and whatever. Hair obviously gets a mention, best hair or worst hair of the year. A few bits and pieces here and there. Some hot, hot contenders for the Game is On Award, of course.

The Game is On. Oh, my God, Mason, it's a big year for the Game is On. But just bold proclamations that we are going to have, that we are going to kick this franchise off with a bang. That's right. We'll see you next summer for the biggest blockbuster you'll ever seen. Like the biggest turd I've ever seen. Absolutely.

And all of that, Collings is kind enough who edits this show to also put that together. He works too hard, Mason. That's right. Most likely there'll be a link on the Weekly Planet social media. There'll be a link in the Planet Broadcasting Great Maze Facebook group, et cetera. And a link below this.

So we'd love you to participate if you are so inclined. But, of course, our rulings are final. If you say a different thing, we can say a different thing too. Can't we? That's right. That's right. That's right. It's the beauty of free speech.

That's right. That's right, Mason. But if your opinion is too bad, we'll ban you from the group. Yeah. And we'll find somebody who can beat you up. Not us because we couldn't. But we'll find a bigger listener to beat you up. That's right.

A bigger, more loyal-er-er listener. That's right. Anyways, Mason. Big Steve. Yeah. Oh, yeah. If you're a big Steve, let us know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you'll be willing to take out some trash for us. If you start most of your sentence with duh. Yeah, perfect. Say what, boss? Do you want one of those, guys? That's great. Let us know. Now, these are the topics that we're going to talk about today.

Mason, if people do want to skip ahead, Colleen's put time codes below. That's right. We're going to talk about what Christopher Nolan has done for his newest movie, Mason. Donald Glover is participating in a Sony spin-off Spider-Man villain movie. Donald Glover's in the spum, baby. Well, he already is, but now he's- He's doubly in the spum. He's double-spumming it. That's right. And then we've just got a bunch of DCum, baby. Well, he already is, but now he's- He's doubly in the spum. He's double spumming it.

That's right. And then we've just got a bunch of DC stuff, including Patty Jenkins. They said she walked away, but she's got an official statement about the Batman being in the DCU, about what's happening with Superman, about what's happening with Black Adam,

about what's happening with The Flash, all of these different things going, about what's happening with Shazam 2, et cetera and so forth. That's a bit to go through. I am glad we are not on the pulse of anything really because if we were last week, we would have done a video maybe about what was happening in that, what was unfolding in the DC universe and Warner Brothers.

Then we would have been for a second video. It would have been turned around instantly. We would have been just – I mean, on the one hand, it is kind of good that James Gunn is out there going like, this rumor's fake, this is false, yes, this is true, et cetera. But, boy, it makes it hard on those content creators. It certainly does, Mason. Exactly.

Especially when he mocks them in public. Then we're going to talk a bit about the God of War series that's coming. Trailers ahoy for a bunch of stuff including Barbie 65 and Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse. And then, of course, it's Avatar Week, Mason. It's Avatar 2 Week somehow. Yeah, right. Somehow this has happened.

We thought it was one of those fake movies like the movie 65. But it's happened and it's out there. That's right. We have not discussed it at all. We haven't. We haven't said a single goddamn thing to each other. And we're actually going to record our reaction separately. Okay, great.

Yeah, so that's going to be fun. All right, Mason, let's start this off. I'm going to be in the booth and I'm going to be doing that hand motion when I go up and down. Oh, I like that. That's good. I thought it was pretty good. Don't tell me now.

No, that doesn't reflect my real thoughts. Okay, good. I bet it does. So Total Film have, they spoke to Christopher Nolan about his upcoming movie Oppenheimer, which is of course about the creation of the first nuclear weapon. It's pronounced nuclear. Nuclear.

Nuclear. Nuclear man. The atom bomb. The atom bomb. Thank you. That's much easier. And what Christopher Nolan is up to. So one of the things he's going to do in that movie is replicate the Trinity test, which

was the first nuclear weapon demonstration, which was done in New Mexico. But here's the thing, Mason. Here's the twist. Oh, no. People are going wild for this. He's doing it practically. He's not going to use any digital effects. So people have been saying, and we probably joked about this, that like

oh my god, like he's gonna he's doing a real nuclear explosion. Look, I don't know if we said this specifically or maybe somebody on the internet said it and we parroted it like we do. But I think maybe we said something like, given the pandemic, so many movies shut down,

they should have just saved up all the stunt points and have him detonate a real nuclear bomb. Absolutely. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. So he's going to. Well, no. Well, obviously it's not.

I mean, it's just called an explosion. Yes. I mean, it's going to be spectacular. And apparently you've got to get the weather right and all of these different factors to make it look like a nuclear explosion. But he's just he's not just it's a big explosion. Now, is this do you think this is going to be record-breaking? Because we've had, in the last few years, we've had, you know,

Spectre was the biggest one, I think. Yeah. Yeah. And everybody looked at that and went, yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, I guess. Well, that's what the people in the shot seem to be doing. Yeah. Like the way that Daniel Craig and Leo Sidhu just looked at it just like,

yeah, all right. Yeah, I mean, there's a fine line between. Let's go. There's a fine line between like cool guys don't look at explosions and you should, there's something happening, man. You should pay attention to that. You should have been like, Christ on a bike. You know what?

That singed my ball hairs. It would have been great if either of those two said Christ on a bike, that singed my balls hair because they could only do one take. So you've got to put it in, don't you? Exactly, that's right. So that's fun. So there you go. I'm looking forward to Oppenheimer.

How is he going to twist time this time around, Mason? I don't think he will, right? Well, we always say that or I always say that and then he always does somehow. Oh, I mean it will be more in the vein of your... Like a... Dunkirk. Dunkirk.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Than a Tenet. That's correct, yes. Yeah, which is a movie also. I cannot imagine... No, I cannot see him going wacky with time travel. Like the first atom bomb goes off and John Tenet and his mate show up and they're like...

Could you see some kind of slow motion nuclear blast happening and you see it happening in a weird time way? Oh, yeah, 100%. And there's weird time stuff happening? Sure, yeah. Maybe there's a counter? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of how many seconds all the people are obliterated or something?

Exactly, yeah. Yeah. Wow. Just a counter. Yeah, yeah. It's just a, yeah. We see Cillian Murphy and he's like, Christ on a bike. That's such a fun post.

Correct, yes. Hey, speaking of time. Oh, yeah. I don't think this is on your list, but we'll bring it up anyway. Is this your one bit of news? No, I've got more. James, I've got so many bits of news. But here's one bit of news.

Okay. We got the first look at Shuti Gatwa in his Doctor Who, new Doctor Who outfit. What do you think about it? I like it, and I like that the big signature piece, I guess, is just a big orange T-shirt. Right. I know you don't like a lot of shirt front often,

but this isn't shirt front. This is T-shirt front. That's fine. It gets a pass. That's what I thought. I like it. Yeah. But you're a fashionista, so am I wrong?

What's going on? You say that, but I've been wearing this T-shirt for three days. Anyway. I can smell it. Yeah, but you're a fashionista, so am I wrong? What's going on? You say that, but I've been wearing this T-shirt for three days. Anyway. I can smell it. Yeah, I know. I like the colour scheme. I think the colour scheme is great. I like, see, the thing about it is, I'll have to see it in motion.

It reminds me of like an old wooden, like an orange like chair. A Tetris chocolate orange. Sure, that's part of it. That traditional British treat. But, you know, you see like a wooden chair from the 70s and it's got like an orange linoleum kind of seat. Oh, yeah's part of it. That traditional British treat. But you know, you see like a wooden chair from the 70s and it's got like an orange linoleum kind of seat. Oh yeah, uh-huh. That kind of, yeah.

Look, I like the plaid. What's interesting is, James, is that they both have like a brown Prince of Wales plaid, or a Glen plaid as they call it. But. That is interesting. They're slightly different scales. The pants have a smaller scale than the jacket what does that mean i think that's going to be upsetting to the eye okay maybe

in motion we'll see yeah they should either be the same size or one should be really big and one should be really small okay right yeah okay well they should be different they can be the same size like maybe one's one's a check and one's a stripe yeah example but this would obviously be intentional i assume maybe like to make like it's probably mean something or does maybe it means something sure it does okay anyway i like it just generally speaking i think it's a good color and it feels very dr who he yeah it does it's a lot of people are like i don't know what this looks like he got it at top man i'm like i don't think so i think it is more fashionable i think than perhaps some others like i think jody whittaker's look yeah is like it that's like i think they went as far away

from fashionable as possible. They're like, we'll give it a little bit of a walk for a walk and we'll give it a little bit of like. Yeah, I like that one though. I think Tennant's was fashionable for the time. Like apparently got it from Jamie Oliver wearing it and like on Graham Norton or whatever. He was just wearing Chucks.

Give me that. I'm taking it. Yeah, I like that one. So there you go. Mason, if you don't mind, I've got a bit of news. It's from THR. Donald Glover. So THR's got you don't mind, I've got a bit of news. It's from THR. Donald Glover. So THR's got a bit of news.

They've got a bit of news. Fine. It's fine, Mason. Wait a second. You've never had a bit of news. I've never had a bit of news. Oh, my God. It's all been from THR.

It's all THR. Whoa. Donald Glover will produce and star in a Spider-Man villain spin-off movie. And you might be like, oh, yeah, because he plays the Prowler in one of the Spider-Man movies. Yeah, yeah. No, it's the Hypno-Hustler. Unbelievable. So he appeared in the 70s first, obviously,

and he's kind of been a bit of a joke villain. His name is Anton Delcion. Okay. And it's something like that. And the leader of a band called the Mercy Killers, and he used hypnosis technology and his instruments on his audience in order to rob them. Apparently Donald Glover is on board because the musical element and how there's no pressure

to do anything that anybody likes. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, that makes a lot of sense. And I'm only saying this because it's Donald Glover who I'm predisposed to like. Yeah. As opposed to when they're like, what if we did El Muerto? What if we did?

I don't care. No. Here's a question for you, though. Yes. Do you think they're going to take his character who's already like Miles' uncle maybe or hinted at. Yeah, uh-huh. And he's going to be turned into the hypno hustler, which is a different situation. I think it's a different situation.

Do you think it's going to be maybe a movie set in the 70s? Oh, that's a great question. Yeah. Because he's had some modern day appearances, I think. Yeah, that's true. But maybe not. He turns up and they punch him, basically. Oh, that's a great question. Yeah. Because he's had some modern day appearances, I think. Yeah, that's true. But maybe not. He turns up and they punch him, basically.

No, I think this is, I think if Sony were okayed this, they're looking for the most, they're looking for a more charismatic leader for the Sinister Six, I think. So I think, maybe it's set in the 70s, but I think it'll have to end in the present day. Right, okay. And he meets Morbius and the Vulture. Really? No.

He might meet Morbius. I don't think he might. He might meet Morbius? He might meet Morbius. Of the two, you think he'll meet Morbius? He'll meet the back of Morbius' head and a guy in a Vulture suit. And he'll meet some audio that Michael Keaton recorded on his phone in the car on the way to McDonald's.

From the movie Morbius. Yes. Great. So thus far the Sinister Six then will be Morbius, Vulture, Kraven if that movie comes out. Yeah, apparently it is. Hypno Holt, Hustler. There's the Scorpion.

Oh, the Scorpion guy. Okay, maybe he'll be in that. Yeah. And maybe one of the Madam Webs or Spider-Women or something. Yeah, sure. Which ones didn't go back to the universe as well? Well, they can bring them over. It doesn't really matter.

Oh, maybe one of the No Way Home villains. Yeah. Okay, maybe. I don't know who's alive. I don't know. And who would still do it. Yeah. I mean, Jamie Foxx is too big, I think, to be sixth wheel in a disaster.

It's kind of amazing he did the last one. Right? Thomas Hayden Church wasn't even there, really. No. Who's left? I don't know. Alfred Molina's too busy. I think he'd do it.

Yeah. I guess. I guess for every shocker light you need a sinister six. Yes, that's right. Maybe. He's in something recently recently i think he's in a tv series that like i know i saw the mystery thing i know what you're talking about i saw it so if that gets cancelled after one season which it will yeah i guess he's free to do this he can

be the sixth guy there you go so that's good fun mason do you want to put your other bit of news before i get stuck into all the dc stuff for the week uh because you said you had so many bits of news i distinctly remember you saying that. Okay, I'll give you one. I mean, this would lead into. I distinctly remember this, Mason. Well, this will lead into the DC. Okay.

It'll dovetail neatly into the DC news. From the register, Amazon and Games Workshop announced Warhammer 40,000 film deal. Oh, yeah. And one of the interested parties who seems to have had a deal with this whole situation is a certain Mr. Henry Cavill. Do you think he's interested because he said

he was going to do it in a post? He did say he was going to do it, yes. He's like, this is the thing I'm excited for and whatever. And he's the man in Hollywood who I think most resembles an actual Warhammer 40,000 Space Marine. Like, they're a bigger man. Sure. But structurally, he looks most like a Space Marine, I think. Okay,000 space marine. Like they're a bigger man. Sure. But structurally he looks most like a space marine I think. Okay, I get you.

He's so broad. The big wide suit that they wear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. He's always wearing a big wide suit. I could see a Dave Bautista maybe, but he strikes me more as a Gears of War guy, which he might be doing or he said he wanted to do at the very least.

Wow, that's a great segue, Mason. Thank you. Anyway, agreement in principle with Games Workshop. But, I mean, James, how's Henry Cavill going to do this if he's so busy in Superman? Oh, Mason. And being Sherlock Holmes and being the man from Uncle and other guys.

I mean, they're still doing the Enola Holmes movies, but I'm pretty sure he's only in them for like four minutes. He's in them for four minutes. I watched two the other day. Oh, what's it like? It's fun. They're fun. I don't know. I haven't they're still doing the Enola Holmes movies, but I'm pretty sure he's only in them for like four minutes. He's in them for four minutes. I watched two the other day. Oh, what's it like? It's fun. They're fun. I don't know.

I haven't seen the second one. I like the first one. Anyway, so last week we talked about Patty Jenkins and how apparently she walked away from DC. They were like, give us another shot at what you would do for Wonder Woman 3. And she went, absolutely not. I'll see you all in hell.

Yeah. That's apparently not true because she released a statement saying she didn't leave and her relationship with James Gunn and Peter Safran was civil. She said, it's simply not true. I never walked away. I never Craig David-ed it, she said, Mason. Wow.

I was open to considering anything asked of me. It was my understanding there was nothing I could do to move anything forward at the time. DC is obviously buried in changes they are having to make, so I understand these decisions are difficult right now. She also mentioned that her Star Wars movie, Rogue Squadron, is still in development, though she was very precise in saying that. That doesn't mean it will happen.

Right. But it is in development. She went away to do something else and came back and they're apparently working on it. My production office is over a big hatch and if they pull the lever of the hatch it will open up and my whole production office falls into a pit of fire. All the papers.

All the papers, yeah, all the staff. All the staff. Yeah. That's terrible news. That's right. If she makes one wrong move. Oh, no. All the staff, all her interns are just shaking,

looking at like the latest issue of Variety or whatever, looking at the box office numbers for her last movie and they're like, they're ready to leap at any moment. Grab something on the ceiling. Anyway, so there we go. That's an update from last week. I was going to say, what do you think of the Warhammer universe? Oh yeah, well I'm going to come back to it

if you don't mind. You've thrown out my order of things. Were you asking me to throw out the order? No, I said Mason that I didn't want that. I explicitly said before the show, don't bring... I'll pretend to throw to you and then you say, no, James. I know you've got a method to your madness and you've probably thought this through and I won't interrupt.

Wow. Yeah, so that's what I recall. What I said, James, is James, stop pissing in all those jars. Sealing them up for later. Nobody wants those. You said two things. Yes, I did. I did say two things, yeah.

Anyways, this is by Variety. So they reported that they are folding in the Batman, as in the Robert Pattinson Patman, into – I'm not going to – that was a mistake, but I'm just going to leave it. Okay, great. Into the DCU. He's going to be the official new Batman. Who's saying this?

Variety. Rumor, and this is rumor. Yeah, this is a guy called Adam Vary on Twitter. Adam the Big Liar? That's right. But James Gunn said on Twitter, there are a few reporters I love more than Adam. Truly a good guy, but in this case he needs to get a new source

as this is entirely untrue. Wow, and if he looks below his feet, below his desk, he'll see a big hatch opening and he's going to fall into a big fire. Oh, no. Yeah, it's just the price of doing business in Hollywood, baby. It certainly is, Mason. I wish it wasn't. I'm not fussed. Oh, no. Yeah, it's just the price of doing business in Hollywood, baby. I wish it wasn't. I'm not fussed.

Mason, apparently, though, he also said, not apparently, he said that Batman will be a big part of the DCU and also that Ben Affleck might be directing something. Oh, yeah. But he will not be Batman, as we will be talking about. Now, speaking of people not being a thing. Oh, yes. This is a statement released from Henry Cavill

after he recently said he was Superman again. Oh, no. And we saw him as Superman. And we saw him. We said, hello, everybody. I'm back. I'm Superman. We're going to have a big talk.

I'm going to be in a movie with Black Adam. Are you? That's going to be good, I reckon. I never thought it was going to happen. Didn't you? I didn't think they'd fire him immediately. No, nobody did. But I didn't think they were going to do a Black Adam Superman movie.

You thought that the timeline between, you thought the time period between him announcing his return in the Black Adam post-credits and the new Superman movie getting cancelled would be longer than like a week and a half. Yes, I did. That is true. But no, I didn't think they were going to be like,

up next, Black Adam fights Superman. No, of course not, no. Anyway, he said, I just had a meeting with James Gunn and Peter Safran, and it's sad news, everyone. I will, after all, not be returning as Superman. After being told by the studio to announce my return back in October, that's fun, prior to their hire, this news isn't the easiest,

but that's life. I think also all the stuff that he released wasn't like, and I'm doing a new Superman movie. He just said, I'm back, and I met Black Adam. The changing of the guard is something that happens. I respect that. James and Peter have a universe to build. I wish them and all involved with the universe the best of luck

and happiness to fortunes, et cetera, et cetera. Superman's still around onwards and upwards, blah, blah, blah, et cetera. Superman's still around onwards and upwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, et cetera. Oh, what if it just turned real sour towards the middle there? As far as I'm concerned, Superman's dead. Whatever, whatever. He died on the toilet off camera.

Yep. Here's me doing an impression of that. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. I'm dead. I just suck. It's not even from a kryptonite poo.

It's just I just died on the toilet. This is in all mediums. It's counted in comics and everything. Yeah. I would love that. And just everybody checking their contracts. Oh, my God, he's right. What do we do?

So, no, you said it's been a... I guess we get his son to be the new... And my son's dead too We died on the adjoining toilet We've got one of those weird bathrooms with his two toilets They're facing each other It's late, it's late here It is late

It's only going to get later He said it's been a fun ride with you all onwards and upwards Here's the thing though, James Gunn He should have said up, up and away Yeah, no, he said the different thing. He's not a true fan, obviously. Yeah, clearly. Look, it is a shame because I feel like he never made

the definitive Superman movie. We've talked about this multiple times. I'm not going to rehash it. But also, I get it. He's 40, and the plans that they're moving forward, they don't involve that. Anyway, I'll talk about it. So James Gunn said,

among those on the slate is Superman. In the initial stages, our story was focusing on an earlier part of Superman's life, so the character will not be played by Henry Cavill. But we just had a great meeting with Henry, and we're big fans. We talked about a number of exciting possibilities to work together in the future.

Now, apparently James Gunn has said that he's writing a Superman movie, but while he won't direct. I don't think he necessarily won't direct, because it seems as if it could be the first thing out of the gate that might not be like Peacemaker Season 2, which is currently happening. It seems like

from the information we have, it looks like it's Superman. Looks like Superman is going to be the first thing, because that's the only thing that he's really kind of confirmed is happening. And I think the first movie out, you'd think that he would want to direct it i assume right i mean yes but also maybe he doesn't want to maybe he doesn't you can't get that one wrong is what i'm saying oh interesting i think you can get it wrong i think you get it very wrong and i think what if what if i'm not i'm not saying you obviously it can be wrong, but I'm saying it would be bad to reboot and then the first one is bad.

The first one is bad, yes. But I guess what I'm saying is like if he directs the first one and it doesn't – and like many Superman movies, it doesn't quite hit the way that people are hoping for, then people may be like, oh, this guy thinks he can do everything here. He can chart the direction of this universe. He's going to direct all the movies and blah, blah, blah. But look how badly that turned out.

And then they all turn on him. Okay. Yeah. They pull that switch and they open the hatch. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's got one too. Yeah.

They all have them, I guess. Fair, fair. Yeah. Yeah. Mutually assured destruction, et cetera. That's right. Who's got each other's levers? It's random?

It's random. It's like that movie, The Box. Oh, The Box. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody's got a lever. You pull it. Okay. That's great. That's not how it would work. Oh, The Box? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody's got a lever, you pull it. Okay. That's great. That's not how it would work.

No. How would you target anybody? How would you target Patty Jenkins? You couldn't. You couldn't. It's lunacy. That's how they should do it, though. I think so.

Just somebody in Hollywood dies if somebody else makes a mistake. So, Mason, he said the script will focus on people like, oh, was this an origin story? He said, no, the script will focus on the character's life as a cub reporter in the fictional city of Metropolis audiences will encounter

him meeting key characters like colleague Lois Lane so it's early days I'd imagine something like Superman Birthright era not necessarily that story

which I would love to see actually it also makes sense that they would go back to this because they just burnt through a lot of Superman years and stories

they did they did Death of Superman in the second movie and then brought him back they did a bunch of stuff like really quickly and i think there are a lot of things you can do in between there and i would love to see and i've said this before death of superman but with the superman we we know we've seen for more than a week yeah yeah and that maybe people like yeah of Earth. But imagine Death of Superman and the whole Justice League is there and you know them all and they're all fighting Doomsday. Right. You know?

I'm not saying you have to do that movie in particular, but there's a lot of stuff. I reckon give it a few more years. Yes. Yeah. But, I mean, I guess the takeaway from this is that it sounds like it will because this doesn't fit, obviously, in the timeline of Man of Steel and et cetera, so it is going to have to be a full reboot and it's going to have

to really reboot pretty much everybody. Yeah. Because if it's a movie set when he's just started his job at the Daily Planet and he's Superman and then he meets Batman and then he meets Wonder Woman and et cetera, they're going to have to all be fresh new meetings at a different time than he met them in the Snyderverse and so on and so forth. Which is why they're recasting everything.

Apparently they've removed Wonder Woman and Superman from The Flash. They had cameos. And apparently Henry Cavill got paid $250,000 for each of those cameos. Cool. So he did for the Black Adam and The Flash. That's half a million dollars. Wow. Good money if you can get it, Mason, I'd say.

I think so, yeah. Do you agree? I do agree. Also, you know what this means? We're going to get a proper Jimmy Olsen in this universe. I hope so. Because there is no way Gunn is not going to do a Jimmy Olsen. Do you reckon he'll have the fin on his head like you're on his?

He'll have a fin on his head, yeah, a ginger fin, they'll call him. It'll be Jimmy Ginger Finn Olsen. I wouldn't be surprised if Henry Cavillill plays like kingdom come superman yeah in the future look it's it's also very also equally likely that they'll just recast him as somebody else yeah like make him jor-el or something and there's also a very real possibility that or villain yeah although i was rumored some time ago that he might switch to Marvel for maybe one appearance. Like Hyperion. Hyperion or the Sentry and he can fight the Thunderbolts or whatever.

So that would be cool. But I think you're right in that at this point I understand. Imagine that it's the same, it's Doctor Strange multiverse of madness but then he comes in and people go, there's a guy from another universe. There's a guy from another universe. What is it? They've crossed the streams. Yeah, he looks like that guy that died on the toilet from another universe. A guy from another universe. Where? Across the streams. Yeah, he looks like that guy that died on the toilet from another universe.

Well, I'm Hyperion and I've never died on the toilet and I never will. He's got laser eyes. He does, doesn't he? That's great for him. Yeah. So that's good stuff. Thunderbolts, run! He's never died on the toilet, this guy.

Maybe we can trick him into it. I don't know. It could be the plot of the story. Yeah, sure. But I think you're right that it needs a... He's not dying on that toilet. He's doing that pose that everyone does. But he's on the toilet.

What's the pose? You know, the super, you know, the throne pose. Oh, okay. I thought you meant the... Not the superhero landing. You could do that on the toilet. I guess you could, yeah. I guess. This is a bad show we do, okay. I thought you meant the superhero landing. You could do that on the toilet. I guess you could, yeah. I guess.

This is a bad show we do, Mason. But I get that what you're saying, like, if he's meeting all the other characters again, it would be weird if it's like Wonder Woman and the flat. They're not going to put Ezra Miller back in, obviously. But you've got to. It's astounding that that's the movie that keeps going now, isn't it? Yeah.

Wild. Batgirl, no thank you. What about another Superman movie? No, no, no, no, no. The Flash? Yeah, let's keep that. I think – What happened?

What's the contractual thing going on? I think The Flash is also going to be the reset point. Oh, right. Even though Aquaman 2 is set after and it looks like – well, Jason Momoa is probably not going to be Aquaman and potentially going to be Lobo. Yeah. But I think that's going to be the reset point.

I also think there is the very real possibility, and I could very well be eating my words in the Easter cup, that this is going to be like as successful as the MCU. Yeah. If done correctly. A lot of caveats here, obviously. But the idea of rebooting it with these people involved in it, a fresh start. James Gunn has done, like he's worked in superhero universes before and all of that.

He has a good understanding of all of this. I think he has like a range of abilities that's not just grimy, gross stuff. He can do heart and all of that. And I think you need that for so many of these properties. I think there's a very real chance that this could be better than the mcu if done correctly because how many of these characters are iconic but people are just like i don't like these versions and i know there are people that are including us like there's things that we like but you can't take that stuff that they've done old ben affleck who doesn't want to do it like a 40 year old

superman who's dead and back and Clark Kent died but he's back working. He had a funeral but he's back working and whatever. Wonder Woman was in the 80s and The Flash is doing things in real life that you – it's fucked, right? I agree. I'm not saying there's not good things in there but it's fucked. Yeah.

You need to reboot it at this point. It's like what would be the – And also, you know, if we've reached a point where perhaps people are a little tired of the MCU because it's – Yes. I mean, you know, one option is we just let the whole thing collapse in on itself. Yep.

But what if you're like, hey, point of difference, look, we're doing fresh, interesting stuff here. Yeah. And the cinematography is better also. I would say arguably, I mean, maybe not now necessarily, but just bigger characters in general, like more known characters. Yeah, yeah. And they don't, like Marvel are in the phase of like bringing

in new versions of existing characters and phasing out more popular characters where they have Superman, Batman, The Flash, Wonder Woman. They start Green Lantern, whatever. They're starting from scratch and they can use everybody for at least a decade. I guess they can, but for at least a decade i guess they can but that is a gear shift i think for james gunn yeah because he's more like get the

d-list characters and make them interesting no i think i don't think he's doing this to do that i think he will i think he will do that i think we're going to see a bunch of weird d-list stuff but i think i don't know i just think there's the potential for this to be like i mean obviously yeah like this could be enormous. Or someone's playing this back to me in a couple of years and they're like, you're an idiot. If it's good, it will be good. That's true.

Man, how are they going to fold? I mean, I guess a lot of it you could be like, but I could fold Peacemaker in because whatever. We didn't really see some of the Justice League. Also, like, I don't know. I mean, it would be kind of like it would be hilarious if, like, he cancels everything except his own show. Very good.

But you know what? He's allowed to do that. They gave him the keys. And people like them generally, I think. Yeah, that's right. But speaking back to what you said earlier, when you said the Flash might be the reset point, that is, I feel, traditionally DC's thing to do,

which is reset everything within the context of the story. So you can say, well, all the other stuff existed before, but then the universe was annihilated. So people can't be like, well, you just said Henry Cavill, Superman didn't exist. Well, he did exist, but they rebooted it just like they rebooted Superman. It's the same as like Crisis on Infinite Earths or New 52 or New Crisis. Reboot Zero Hour.

That's the one. Exactly. It's just doing that but in movies basically. And that, again, like that can go any number of ways as it has in the comics. But it can and has worked sometimes. Do you think they'll fold the Watchmen universe in the movies? No, don't. They're movies? No, don't. They're doing a lot, aren't they?

Just leave it. It's happening currently in the comic books, I think. Yeah, stop it. Stop it, Geoff Johns, who's probably doing it. I think Dr. Manhattan has a kid called the Watchman. Yeah, no, I read it and whatever. All right, how's that going? I read it ages ago.

Okay, great. Where he went in Superman whatever. Yeah. We read it. We talked about it. No, Doomsday Clock, there's more. There's more after this. There's more after that. Great. Yeah. It is great. It's really good. It's pretty great. Anyway, this is why THR.

So Henry Cavill, of course, will not be returning to The Witcher. People are saying, well, he quit The Witcher to do Superman, and I don't think so. I think it seemed like he wasn't happy with a lot of stuff regarding that. And also Liam Hemsworth is now The Witcher and whatever. Yeah, that's right. But he's going to be, as you mentioned, Travis Warhammer,

and he released a statement. I've loved Travis Warhammer since I was a boy, making this moment truly special for me, the opportunity to shepherd this cinematic universe. Shepherd, Commander Shepherd, like from Travis Warhammer, Mason. Yeah, they're best friends. Yeah, from its inception. And enemies, bitter enemies.

That's true. It's quite the art of responsibility. I couldn't be more grateful for the hard work put in by Vertigo. It's going to be in Amazon Studios. Amazon Studios and Games Workshop to make this happen. One step closer to making an eye on a lifelong dream come true. So there you go. He's Mr. Warhammer himself.

Mr. Warhammer himself. I know obviously nothing about that. But it's always been in the universe where I see like a figurine or a games workshop and I'm like, okay. I am very excited to see just the aesthetic put to film. Like we've seen it in video games and we've seen it in other stuff. There's a lot of fan films on YouTube and so on. But I'm excited to see a huge budget put to this awful universe

that is horrible. What do you say awful? but I'm excited to see a huge budget put to this awful universe that is horrible. What do you say awful? Well, no, I mean it's just, you know, it's a universe that looks great, but it's this, you know, it's a universe where everybody's at war all the time. Warhammer. Everybody's at Warhammer all the time, and it's just kind of this decaying universe.

Is it whoever's got the Warhammer is winning? That's right, exactly, yeah. It's a big game of tag. You see that movie Tag with Jeremy Renner? Yeah, I did. It's not good, but go on. What did he think of it? What did Jeremy Renner think?

Because you saw it with Jeremy Renner. You said that. You saw it with Jeremy Renner. How dare you lay that trap for me? That is rude. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was in it also, so I imagine he would like it. Yeah.

I told him I liked it, but I didn't like it. Wow. I didn't finish it, I don't think. I'm like, it's fine. Yeah, but the people who are like, man, I would love to live in the Warhammer universe. Would you? I'd rather have a lovely tea party.

Yeah. Do you think there's a very good chance that this could just look like that or happen like just the Warcraft movie? And then people are like, I don't get this, and why is everything so big and wide? That's a great question. Everyone's big and wide and all their guns and swords are big and wide. and wide also curious as to who he will play because the travis ramus yeah that's a good point no who are the characters well i mean i i like in the overall law there's the emperor yeah who's

been sort of he's in like a giant golden iron lung because he was i know he was betrayed thousands of years ago and and etc and so but he But he sort of projects the energy that helps the Imperium of Man navigate the stars, et cetera. Is he nice? No. Because he's an emperor. But he also might have been Jesus. What?

Yeah. Real Jesus or like Warhammer Jesus? Oh, what? What's the difference? Well, in the Warhammer universe, is that set in our universe in the future, right? Yes, it is, yeah. So literal Jesus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is, yeah. So literal Jesus.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is great stuff. It is great stuff. I am loving this awful universe. See, I also love the lore of – Warhammer. There's so much Warhammer. Yeah.

And if the wiki isn't called Warhammer, I will scream. I'm just going to check now. I'm going to check now. But also the Space Marines, which are like the elite soldier of the Imperium of Man, So the Space Marines, which are like the elite soldier of the Imperium of Man, they are all built essentially from like young men who are turned into these monstrous soldiers using DNA from their Primarchs, which are the guys that founded the chapters of the Space Marines.

I can't wait for the opening crawl of this show. But they're all basically clones of the Emperor. Oh, okay. They all look the same? I think so. Okay. They all probably have different scars and stuff yeah but if but if cavill is the emperor he'd also be all the prime yeah okay does he give himself that if he's producing this does he give himself all that like the 14 roles or whatever or is he just like a grunt like maybe it's like the yeah maybe he's a space marine but he's in the war

and just insane stuff happens and he's like, Christ on a mic, that was a big explosion. Even for me, I'm big. Imagine how little people would experience that explosion. This is my genetically engineered balls, I tell you what. I appreciate that rundown that you've given me. And there's also big mechs and stuff. Yeah, and they have to move

on like octagonal spaces. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. I'm looking forward to that tabletop element being introduced into the series and they have to abide by the law. The law hammer. Yeah, the law hammer. Great. Anyways, this is by Al Mayimbe on Twitter. Do you play any of the video games?

Maybe. Space Marine? Maybe. I honestly don't know. The one on Xbox? Nah, don't know, mate. Space Hulk. Yeah. I think you're lying.

Yeah, I am. You just want this segment to be over? Yeah, that's right. Wow. I thought this is the easiest. I don't think you're excited about the Lorehammer at all, quite frankly. I thought, what's the easiest way to move this forward? I'll just lie.

Well, it didn't work. Nah, not this time. That's right. Just most of the time. This is by Al Mayimbe who says, apparently The Rock on Twitter, The Rock turned down a cameo in Shazam 2, which seems ridiculous because that's the movie you're supposed to be in. Yep.

What are you doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways, this is via Puck News, specifically from Matt Bologna who said, and you mentioned this. Matt Bologna. Yes, you mentioned this last week. It might be Bologna, who said, and you mentioned this. Matt Bologna. Yes, you mentioned this last week. It might be Bologna, B-E-L-O-N-I. Anyway, the Rocks PR team leaked the story apparently to Deadline

that we read through last week that was like, actually Black Adam made more money than ever. And it actually made a lot of money, like the first Captain America movie, et cetera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The quote from the article is one of them, it's a pretty funny article, is one of the sillier trade stories of all time nice which it did read that way yeah uh so we talked about that last week

now also this kind of blew up as well that apparently the rock unfollowed the black adam and warner brother discovery accounts on instagram but he said you know it's over no no well he came on twitter and he said listen 100 not 100% not true. My finger slipped. No. Now, I'd never followed either account on IG. Now, in response to Brandon Davis, who apologised for posting about it, said, we're always good, bro. Insanely toxic time and culture.

On a positive note, tell your mama I said hi because he's having sex with his mum. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It seems. A real Rove Live situation, it seems. It certainly is. Like the TV show Rove Live, Mason. Great reference to a great Australian show.

Are you just saying that's a great reference to a great Australian show so we can go to the next segment? Yes, Mason. That's what I thought. Well, too bad. Here's a tweet from at Superman on film. Okay. He says, since The Rock has rewritten his history with Black Adam

and I was actually covering this stuff on a daily basis in the mid-2010s, I'd like to clue you in on the real history of his association with DC. Oh, my God. Because you know The Rock's always been like, man, I loved Black Adam since I was a kid. No, you didn't. You're a liar.

Nobody did. He was a weird second string of villain for a guy who was a copy of Superman. And a lot of the time he was just like a weird little man. Yeah. Yeah, you know? You're just saying you did because you want to move to the next movie, aren't you, The Rock? You're lying.

Yes. Anyway. Go on. Well, he's recently stated that he's been working on the film for 15 years. He's been attached to several DC roles before deciding to go with Black Adam. For example, he was going to be Lobo. He was attached to a Lobo film with Brad Payton directing which evaporated in 2013.

From there he went to tease that he'd be a Green Lantern. In 2014 he started dropping hints on Instagram and Twitter about playing Jon Stewart and even at that time was teasing a fight with Superman for some reason with a hashtag, hashtag Jon Stewart can still whoop Superman's ass.

That's good stuff. And leaving open-ended teasers to fans. After that, it became sort of clear that he's. He's been a fan of John Stewart. Yeah, yeah. After that, the talk show host. Yeah. Yeah.

After that, it became sort of clear that his deal with DC was more of an open-ended development situation. For example, he could choose to either play Shazam or Black Adam. Unlike most actors, he wasn't locked down for just one character. Should have picked Shazam. Yeah, right? Yeah, for real. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think he could have done that. I mean, you see him playing other people as children in Jumanji. Yeah. Which is maybe why he didn't want to do it. Anyway, so it says he finally arrived at Black Adam in 2015 and it's becoming clear that the reason he hitched his wagon to that character was because he felt he could make him the centre of a whole universe of characters that revolve around Black Adam in 2015 and it's becoming clear that the reason he hitched his wagon to that character was because he felt he could make him the centre of a whole universe of characters that revolve

around Black Adam. He wouldn't have that ability with Jon Stewart because Jon Stewart was like, well, the Greenlands were like in the Snyderverse. Yeah. So he'd just be one guy in that. Yeah, but he's also just one guy in this. Now he is. Look, honestly, I respect the hustle, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he made a really big run at it. That's true. And, you know, it didn't pan out, and that's okay, you know? Well, maybe it'll pan out. You know, because there'll be DVD and home rental, rental blockbuster. Yeah, I get that.

You go down a blockbuster, it'll be the front there. You'll be like, oh, I'll get a date overnight, a blockbuster. I get what you're saying, but it's not going to continue, is it? going to continue is it oh yes yeah oh yeah it'll probably make money on the back end yeah it will eventually yeah yeah well that merchant whatever but there you go good luck to him here's a question though go on i feel like this hurt his brand yeah do you think that is true i mean do you think going into the next movie, like a studio is going to be like, maybe we won't give this guy $25 million and like 10% of the whatever? I don't know.

I think it maybe, no, I think it maybe only hurt his brand with like internet cynics such as us. Okay. I think that. The general public. Because he's still like, he's fun on Instagram and whatever. And I think the general public, maybe they'll just be like, eh, rare miss for The Rock. We'll see him in the next Hobbs & Shaw or Red Notice 2

and Red Notice 3 and Red Notice 4 and Red Notice 5, et cetera. I would not be surprised. Uh-oh. And maybe it won't happen. Ready to clip this out, folks? No, he does, like, whatever the Fast 11. Is that the last Fast movie? Yeah, last Fast.

Fast 11, last Fast. Question mark. Yeah. Just in case. Just in case. What do you want? Fast 11, Last Fast. Question mark. Yeah. Just in case. Just in case. What do you want? Do you want another? You want more?

Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if at this point he needs a bit of a boost, you know, returning to a character because who else is he going to return to? The Scorpion King? Yeah. I mean, there's Jumanji, I guess, but it's not like, I can't wait for your character from Jumanji, whatever the name is. Skyscraper Man.

Skyscraper Man. This time he's missing both of his legs. Oh, no. Yeah, but that's more exciting, I think. Or perceived to be, but imagine. So, yeah, but Hobbes is a character that people, they know the name of. They sure do.

They're like, that's either Hobbes or Shaw, I think. Yeah. I'm not saying it's going Hobbes or Shaw, I think. Yeah. I'm not saying it's going to happen because there's egos and him and Vin Diesel and whatever, but I'm saying it wouldn't surprise me. And they could iron it out for $20 million each, I'm pretty sure. Or Mason. He could be God of War. Because this

is coming to Amazon Prime. Now, I was like, when are they starting in the God of War storyline? Oh, in terms of? Are they going to do all the original games where it's just a very angry man screaming and killing his way through? When do you think they should start? Well, the smart play would be the 2018 reboot.

Do you think so? Sequel, which they are doing. Yeah, no, that's. Because you can do all the character whatever. That's true. Because I don't know if you've ever seen even a fraction of those games. He's the worst. Yeah, he's bad, yeah.

I mean, it's fun to play, but he's terrible and unlikable. Yeah. And I think you might even do a little. That's, James, that's a beta male opinion. Yeah, you're right. He's a cool dude. I guess it is a cool dude. He's a cool dude.

You're right, he's cool. I didn't say he wasn't cool, Mason. That's true. Yeah. What about a TV series that follows the plot of God of War and Ragnarok but we get flashbacks to him being awful? Well, that's what I think they're going to do.

I think they might do a little montage up top and be like, he was this and this and whatever and then he got the ashes of his dead family and now he lives in a cabin in the woods or whatever. Or I'd like to see even just a whole episode dedicated to that time period. Or I'd like to see even just a whole episode dedicated to that time period or a few episodes, you know.

And so that way you kind of like, for those who don't know, you're like, what is the deal with this guy? And then you just do a whole episode set in ancient Greece where he just kills literally everybody. And you're like, I didn't like this guy, but I like him more than when he was young. That sucked. It's a real character evolution for me.

I don't like him. I don't like him at all. Anyways, are you excited for that? Yes. And are you surprised by that, this being a show that they're doing? No. That's right. How's The Last of Us doing?

It's not out yet. People seem to be hyped and excited for it. People are hyped and excited, yeah. And PlayStation loves Dad's team up with somebody else and they do a thing. That's not out yet. But people seem to be hyped and excited for it. And PlayStation loves Dad's team up with somebody else and they do a thing. It's probably what Ratchet and Clank is about. Clank is the son. Ratchet is the dad, I think, Mason.

Because he probably built the robot. Is that right? I don't know. Dak and Jackster. Other titles, other popular titles. Nathan Drake and Sully. There's one. Dad and Jackster. Sure. Yeah. Other titles, other popular titles. Nathan Drake and Sully. There's one. Yeah. Dad and Son, sort of.

That's true. Yeah. It's all Dad and Son over at PlayStation. Nathan Drake and Daxter. What about that? Very good. They probably fought in that PlayStation Battle Brawl game. I bet they did, yeah.

Yeah, there we go. Trailers ahoy. How many trailers do you see on the trailer ship today? It's four. Oh. It's four, Mason. Okay. Yeah. How many trailers do you see on the trailer ship today? Arr. Is that a... It's four. Oh. It's four, Mason. Okay.

Yeah. Four score and seven minus four score and three. Very good. That's what a pirate would say. Was that what a pirate would say? Now, Mason, I know you haven't watched this trailer because we talked about it before the show. Okay.

It's a new trailer for Scream 6. Okay. And the M at the end makes the V in the I. Incredible work in sneaking in a number into a logo. Well, it's also interesting because the last movie was just called Scream. And that was Scream 5. Right. I hate that.

But wasn't there a Fast and Furious movie just called Fast and Furious? Yes. Yeah. They're following that system. Yeah, but that's not right, Mason. No, it's wrong. It's wrong and rude. Anyways. I think it's very cool. This time. Yeah. They're following that system. Yeah, but that's not right, Mason. No, it's wrong. It's wrong and rude. Anyways.

It's very cool. This time. Yeah. That's an unfair joke. That's right. That makes no sense. The people we're talking to, it doesn't matter. Nobody knows anybody.

That's irrelevant. But it was very funny. Thank you. Just know that. Anyway, so they're in the city. It's Scream in the City this time. A la... Sex in the City, yes.

I was going to say Manhattan. Yeah, there we go. That's where I'm going with it. So it's going to be set in New York City. A la Maniac of New York. Oh, yeah. Good comic. So I think it's about time they move Scream as well.

Have they? Because I've only seen... What have I seen? One. I've seen Scream 1. Yeah, we did a commentary on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you watched it with us talking over it,

which is not a good way to watch it. So I really haven't watched any of them. No. So are all the Scream movies set in the same town usually? Mostly. I think one's in the university town or something. Okay, right, right, right. Speaking of commentaries.

But within the tri-state area, I would imagine, yes. Speaking of commentaries, there's going to be a, we're doing the Polar Express for Christmas. We sure are. We haven't done it yet, but boy. We're excited. We are looking forward to it. We're so excited. That will be up probably when you hear this.

Anyways, aside from that, let's move forward. Let's talk about – oh, wait, did I answer your question? Was it a teaser? Do we see all the characters? Yeah, they're in a subway train. Why are the characters from Scream going to New York City, baby? I don't know. They're trying to get away from the Scream.

Right, right. They're not the Slice. They're going to get a different kind of Sl know. They're trying to get away from the Scream. Right, right. Not the Slice. They're going to get a different kind of Slice. They're going to get a different Slice. A big knife. A big knife.

And Neve Campbell's not going to be in this one. Oh. I don't know if you saw that. No. Yeah. Anyway, I liked the last one and I'm glad they're making them.

Is she going to be in a Lost in Space, Reuben? She wasn't in the first Lost in Space. No, but somebody else was. Yeah. It was vaguely related. Yeah, there we go.

From Party of Five. Correct, yes. And yes, it's very good. No, it's not. It's not? It's just not. Yes, that's very good. No, it's not. It's not? It's just not. Well, I was hoping you'd lie and we can move forward, Mason. Anyway, there's another trailer, though, this week.

Oh, yes. A couple others. One is for Barbie, which is the Greta Gerwig Barbie movie, which has Margot Robbie as Giant Barbie, it seems, from this trailer. She's 19 feet tall. Where do you think that's going to play in cinemas? Just this woman terrorising a town. Oh, you think? You think that's going to play in cinemas? Just this woman terrorising a town Oh, you think?

You think that's going to be consistently Giant clothes for her Going to be consistently 19 feet tall? Yeah, stomping on little girls and whatever I, James, I think it's just a fun little homage to the movie 2001 Space Odyssey Is that what you think, Mason? Yeah, hang on Perhaps I didn't get it across correctly

You've actually sold me on that. Yeah. Yes, you're right. It is a fun little homage. Yeah. But we still don't get any clue as to what the plot is. There's flashes of the town. But no, when I.

Like, is she a toy that's come to life? Does she exist in a toy world? Does she exist in the real world like the Brady Bunch and she is not. Yeah, because it looks from what we've seen from like the on set stuff. Is she the woman that the Barbie toy is based on? Yeah. I guess we'll never know. So here's some of the casting.

Margot Robbie as Barbie. Yep. Ryan Gosling as Ken. Simu Liu as another Ken. Uh-huh, sure. Shuti Gatwa is also another Ken. Terrific. Issa Rae is Barbie also.

Okay. So it seems like there's going to be multiple versions of these characters. I love the toys, how the toys work. Yeah, but aren't Barbie's friends like if you look differently you're not Barbie you're Barbie's mate or whatever? That's a great question. I don't know. I don't know. James? I wish

I knew enough. I wish I knew as much about Barbie lore as I did Lorehammer. Sure. The lore of Warhammer. The lore of Warhammer. Okay fair enough. Anyway this is intriguing to me. I like the idea of this and I think it's not, it doesn't feel just like a, it doesn't feel like Battleship, but Barbie or whatever.

Oh, that's true, yes. It doesn't feel like it is just a mechanism to sell Barbie toys, even though there will be like Margot Robbie Barbie toys and all the multiple cans and all that sort of stuff. Now, you prefer a Bratz toy or a Barbie? I don't know. Bratz got the big eyes and they're like, Did Bratz, are Bratz illegal now or something?

Illegal? Didn't they lose a copyright lawsuit and they can't make Bratz anymore? Because they ripped somebody off? I don't know. Copyright. Can I make my own Bratz? Do you reject Mattel's Bratz copyright claim? So apparently there was a lawsuit at some point.

I don't know anything about Bratz, I'll be honest with you. Wasn't there a TV show? It doesn't matter. There is something from a lawsuit at some point. I don't know anything about Bratz, I'll be honest with you. Yeah. Wasn't there a TV show? It doesn't matter. There was something from Plagiarism Today. There's an article from 2011 that says, how the Bratz verdict may impact you. Whoa. It says you, Nick Mason.

What? How old is this article? It also says, not the drummer from Pink Floyd, Nick Mason, who will be on the weekly planet two years from now. Yeah, that's true. Do you know we're 10 years next year of this show? Yeah. Ridic.

Get less for murder. It's true. Do you know we're 10 years next year of this show? Yeah. Ridic. Get less for murder. It's true. Depending on the circumstances, obviously. Yeah, yeah, like if they really deserved it. If it was a manslaughter, whatever, like you hit a guy in the pub and he died and whatever, it was an accident. You're right, yes. We're less manslaughter and more man's laughter.

That's true. Anyway, Barbie, let's all look forward to it. Let's all look forward to it. I'm excited for this. Now, then there was a trailer also this week for the movie 65. Yes. Which quite frankly. Go on.

Looks amazing and I love everything about it. Amazing but also baffling? Not so much. If you want to go into an Adam Driver movie, like a sci-fi movie called 65, you don't want to know anything about it. Yeah, don't watch this trailer. Don't watch this trailer and maybe skip like a minute. Skip ahead, yeah.

Because what the movie is is revealed at the end of the trailer. Yeah, and also in the name sort of. Also in the name. So the big reveal for this movie is Adam Driver is in a spaceship. Yeah. He's some sort of future spaceman with a future laser gun. He says hello. And he's in a ship and he's transporting some people across the stars

and then he crashes onto a planet and it's just him and a little girl and he's like, I'm going to protect this little girl. And he's like, oh, no, there's aliens. What's out here on this planet? What's out here? Look out for these aliens. But then they're freaking dinosaurs, bro. Because he's on Earth.

It's 65 billion years in the past, bitch. So how does this play out? Is he a man from future human civilization? He's gone back in time? Or is he an alien man who just happens to look a lot like a human and he's landed on Earth? I think it's that. You think it's that?

I think I would also prefer that for some reason. Okay. It seems like from the technology that you can't really tell. It could be futuristic technology, but the interface, there's no English in it or whatever, but he's speaking English, of course. But what I love about this is someone went, fuck Jurassic Park, let's do dinosaurs in a different scenario for once. Thank God.

Yeah, you've done this in the past. Yeah, I know there's been examples of it, and there's been nature stuff that they've done, and all that is incredible, and I'm a big fan of that. And then, like, Velocipasta, and then there's Godzilla's and whatever, but I'm talking, like, actual real-life-looking dinosaurs. And this, just everything about this I love, except the title, which sucks sort of a little bit.

Okay, sure, sure. I think it could tank based on the title alone. Oh, yeah. Maybe we'll get a Reap title sooner. Adam Driver fights the dinosaurs. Adam Driver does a big dinosaur fight. He has to punch so many of them. Cadillacs and dinosaurs and Adam Driver.

Yeah. Anyway, again, it's got that thing of a dad and a little kid, which is very popular at the moment. That's a one-quadrant movie, dads. That's all you need. Yeah. Top Gun Maverick proved that. I'm goddamn jazzed for this, Mason.

It feels like when they first put, like, zombies and Nazis together. Sure. To kill them, obviously, in games. Like, it just makes sense. And this makes sense to me. Adam Driver and dinosaurs. And future of past and whatever. Do you think the end finale of this movie is he genocides the dinosaurs?

Like he kills all of them? Maybe. God damn. That would be amazing. Yes. By accident? No, I think he's got a nuclear weapon in his ship or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or he pulls a comet from orbit and he's like, I've had enough of this and I'm pulling a comet from orbit. I didn't want to do this but I'm pulling a comet from orbit. I'm setting my gun from semi-automatic fire to pull an asteroid out of the solar system and crash it on this planet. You made me do this. You made me do this. Bang.

So do you think also maybe they're like the original humans and whatever? Oh, maybe. Or do you think he's just going to be like, I'm leaving? Like are they supposed to be seeding a planet? Because it's like an exploratory vessel, which again makes me think that he is an alien. Are all the other people in cryo sleep or something? Yeah, right, right, right.

Yeah, maybe. And it's obviously big Planet of the Apes vibes because that's kind of our – Okay, how would you feel about at the end, maybe Adam Driver dies and then like some – he thinks all the other people died but they didn't die and then some of them come out of the cryopod and it's like, what's your name?

My name's Adam. What's your name? My name's Eve. What do you think about that? Would that ruin the movie for you? If I was there, if I was in the movie, I would use that gun to pull another asteroid out of space if that happened. Wow.

Yeah. Wow. That's what I would do. When did humans evolve? Well, well after that. That's what I'm, yeah. Yeah, by a very long time. Well, maybe's what I would do. When did humans evolve? Well, well after that. That's what I'm, yeah. Yeah, by a very long time. Well, maybe the cryopod is underground.

Maybe they've got some primates and stuff as well and whatever. Maybe. Maybe they've got some primates. It's like that's how. Like in the movie Warhammer. Anyways, we also had a trailer for Across the Spider-Verse. Yeah. And what was exciting about this trailer to me, Mason.

Crazy cameos all the time. Every cameo, every Spider-Man you've ever seen, they're all in this. I got a list from Polygon.com. PS4 Spider-Man guy. He's in there. Spider-Man 2099, but he's big and wide. He's the bad guy, sort of? Yeah, I think it's a multiple Rick situation.

Yeah, right, right, right. No, he won't. Then Spider-Woman, but it looks like the Jessica Drew version apparently. Spider-Punk is going to be there. And it's going to be Daniel Kaluuya. Is it? Spider-Punk, yes. That's great. Love that.

The Japanese Spider-Man. Love that also. Spider-Man India. Okay, great. Bombastic Bag Man. Oh, yep. Spider-Man with a bag on his head, yeah. Insomniac Spider-Man that you mentioned.

And an actual Insomniac Spider-Man. Yes. He's just like, God. The amazing Spider-Man. God, you got just like, God. The amazing Spider-Man. God, you got any tips or anything? I took a sleeping pill. No, warm milk doesn't work. No, it really doesn't.

He's just on the phone. He's just on the phone to MJ. He's like, ah. Oh, mate, you got any tips? Sing me a song. Sing me a song so I can go to bed. Because the longer I think about it, the more anxious I get about it. You know? So I can't just say I don't think about it the more anxious i get about it you know so i can't just say don't think about it but i can't i'll try to am asmr i hate it it's people just chewing

in my ear but i don't know like it who's doing that stop uh the amazing spider monkey uh lady spider and also undies spider-man spider, which is the Ben Reilly version. Cyborg Spider-Woman. Whoa. And there's others, et cetera. Nice. All of them. They'll all be in it.

Anyway, looks great. Love the different animation styles. Love that Peter Parker, Peter B. Parker, is missing his baby from the baby carrier. What happened there? Probably got kidnapped. Probably got kidnapped or whatever. He probably just left it somewhere.

He seems pretty chill. Now, there was some, what I think is maybe she wasn't in the trailer, but I think maybe some concept art got released. Is that real concept art? What for? Of little baby Mayday Parker? I haven't seen that, no. Oh, maybe I'll find it.

Maybe you should. That'd be perfect to show on this podcast, Mason. Oh, come on, mate. Yeah. Come on, mate. I'm making big fun of you. Come on, mate. Here we go on, mate. I'm making big fun of you. Come on, mate. Here we go.

This is from Discussing Film, so veracity to be determined. First look at Peter B. Parker's daughter Mayday in Spider-Man across the Spider-Verse. Oh, okay. Yeah, I get that. So a little redhead wearing a little dungarees, which is interesting because if this movie does well, you'll have to maybe take a little look at Peter Parker

in the regular spider-man comic universe and fix him being a loser because they seem real intent on him being they love it don't they love when he's a loser they've moved superman forward for now they should do the same for peter which is fascinating because there's he also has kids in different timelines yeah yeah and the you know there's a future spider-Girl in MCU 2 or whatever it is. And, like, you've got two Spider-Men officially in the Spider-Man universe. Have one, have Miles Morales be a guy, I'm just a young kid and I don't know what I'm doing.

Help, exactly. He can say help a lot. Nah. But then you've got Peter Parker and you can be like, I'm doing great actually, thank you. You've been looking at my adventures for 50 years and I've figured out how to get a bank account. I've figured out how to stop all the villains.

I've just got this gun that will pull an asteroid from space. That's right. And if anybody steps out of line, I'm going to do it. That's right. Bang. Bang. And that's good stuff. That will make no sense if you skipped the 65 trailer

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Register today at sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. Mason, it's been 84 years Titanic meme since first Avatar. Direct stuff, that's good. And before we get straight into Avatar 2, Hold Hands with a Whale or whatever, we're going to talk budget and we're going to talk box office. Because obviously the first Avatar movie reclaimed the spot for the biggest and best movie of all time.

But also famously for Avatar, it was a grower, not a shower. That's true. In the sense that it didn't do well initially, like the first opening weekend, right? Do you know what a grower is? Okay. So I'm pretty sure this is what it means. that it didn't do well initially, like the first opening weekend, right? Do you know what growth is? Okay. So I'm pretty sure this is what it means. But it didn't do well initially.

The initial showings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then word got around and then it became the huge blockbuster, right? So if that holds true here, even if it didn't do that great initially, maybe it'll do $2 billion again. Well, so this cost $350 million. James Cameron has said it needs to make $2 billion to break even, which is a little excessive.

I think it's something like it needs like $800 million maybe to break even. It's hysterical. It is. Settle down. The first Avatar made $77 million in its US opening weekend, but as you mentioned, it barely dipped like in its second week and then it just grew. Went off.

And in a month, as we talked about when we covered it for Camera and Garbage, it was a $2 billion movie, which is very unusual. Now this one is going to make in the US domestically $130 million-ish for its opening weekend, which is obviously better than the original Avatar. And it's going to make $410 internationally. But this movie also has the advantage of unlike most movies this year, with the exception of a couple like Jurassic World Dominion,

it's opening in China. And I think the first Avatar made something like $200 million in China. So that's big bucks, Mason. That's big bucks. So again, this is good. A lot of it was projected to be much bigger than this. I see. But I think there is a very good chance that, like the first one,

this is just going to have a run. Yeah. And will it be bigger than the first one? I mean, that is possible, I guess. But, you know, $2 billion and et cetera and so forth is a lot. Yep. But we'll see. Absolutely we'll see.

That being said, what do you think the story was? Oh, come on, mate. Mason, it's been 84 years, Titanic meme. Oh, come on, mate. All right, so it's a bit later on the world of Pandora and Buddy Jake Sully's there and they're teary's there and they've got some kids and whatever. Yep.

And then they're like, oh, freaking hell, for reasons. We've got to go to a different place. We live in the forest. We're cool with the forest. We're going to go to another place. We're going to go to the water, meet the live in the forest. We're cool with the forest. We're going to go to another place. We're going to go to the water. Meet the water guys. Let's see those guys.

Those freaking guys. That's the conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mason, can you stop playing a clip of the movie Avatar 2, The Way of Water? I won't. I won't. But then they're like, oh, what?

Got to learn the way of water and then we're going to do a big fight. Yeah. Anyway, before we get into talking about the movie, I think we should do a classic because we haven't spoken. Minute one, we watched this movie separately. We haven't talked minute one about this movie. I think we should do a classic three, two, one, and then say what we thought of the movie.

Okay. Ready? Three, two, one. I really liked it. I thought it was pretty good. Huh. We both enjoyed it. We both enjoyed it, yeah.

Now, as we recently talked about, we were not swept away by the original despite wanting to be and yet this one i was very much swept away for a large majority of it when did you dip it like i definitely dipped it i will talk about that right but i would say about this movie i really liked it and i think it was a significant improvement i agree and obviously you'd hope that it would be a significant improvement technically from a movie that came out, what, 13 years ago? 13 years ago.

But that's not why I liked it more. No, and it is. It certainly is. Yeah, definitely. But it is also more engaging. And I feel like maybe we did a little bit of a disservice talking about Avatar, like especially when we did the Caravan of Garbage. We recently did that.

How could we get it wrong when we did it so recently? Well, that's the thing because I think maybe we've both received some correspondence on Twitter and emails and so forth where people have said, oh, yeah, I've rewatched Avatar and, you know, didn't love it and maybe I'll just skip this one. And I'm like, I don't think you should skip this one. I agree. This is a better movie.

Like you kind of have to see the first one to get this. Well, it hits the ground running. Yeah. James Cameron in his ways just assumes you remember. Yeah. I think that's good, though. They're like, hey. I mean, everybody saw it.

Yeah, that's true. Everyone would have a vague memory of it. Yeah, but I mean. But maybe if you're younger or. But I mean, recently, like at one point, almost immediately, they're like, hey, what's going on with Grace's avatar? And I'm like, oh, who's Grace again? Oh, but Sigourney Weaver's character from the first movie.

By the way, we're going to do non-spoilers, then spoilers. Skip ahead when we get to that if you're so inclined. Yeah, yeah. But what I was going to say is that this movie is like, I think it's, is it different? Is it a different effects team? It's Weta Workshop this time. Who was it last time?

I think it was also Weta Workshop. I think it's also like multiple houses that they are exploiting and whatever like they did and we'll talk about the special effects but what i also want to say is the writing is a lot better great and that is because i think the first movie was written exclusively by james cameron okay and the new one was written by james cameron and rick jaffa and amanda silver from a story the trio wrote with Josh Freeman and Shane Salerno. But Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver are a married couple who are a screenwriting and film production duo. They wrote the reboot of Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Oh, okay.

They wrote Rise of the Planet of the Apes. They wrote and produced Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, and they produced War for the Planet of the Apes. That makes a lot of sense. Right? I mean, those are family and community and all of those things. But also I think what is important about that is that the thing about all this, like, you know, Avatar and the Planet of the Apes movies are, you know, incredible technical achievements.

Yeah. But I think for a lot of people and, you know, depending on the person and depending on the scene and what have you, there is an element of unreality to the visual effects that you can feel sometimes. Yes. And if you combine that with mediocre dialogue or – A boring man. A boring man or characters that don't act like regular people, you really feel the unreality. Yeah.

You sort of disengage from it. regular people, you really feel the unreality. You sort of disengage from it. But if you go, okay, these characters maybe look a tiny little bit off but they act like normal people and they talk like normal people. They punch like normal people. They punch like normal people. They say that's called a punch, bitch. Right, exactly.

I think you sort of push forward and I think maybe that's a lesson they learned from the Planet of the Apes movies and they brought on for this. And I was way more engaged with the characters i felt they felt more like real people and i think that is partially that the visual effects on this movie are insane yes insanely good yeah and that i was actually like oh these characters don't talk like cliches they don't talk like like Titanic anymore. It is wild that none of this is real. I mean, there are a few people in it and they build like very few like environments.

But for the most part, none of this exists in any reality. But at this point, I'm like, what is real? Like, you know, there's a scene on a boat and I'm like, is the bridge on the boat real? Is the bridge on the boat real? Yeah. You know, are they just standing around nothing? You know, are any of the externals real?

It's impossible to judge now. All the characters like – and again, one of the most difficult things to do, I think, in visual effects is water and this movie is all water. It's just literally water. And it's just like, you know, the characters, a problem I think maybe I had with the last one was like, you know, the eyes are not great, you know, the skin, maybe the mouth movements. I reckon of this three-hour-plus movie,

there was maybe four or five shots of like less than one second where I'm like, that doesn't feel quite right. Right. But the rest of them are like, this is amazing. Yeah, and that could have been because you blinked or coughed or something. Maybe I blinked and coughed or something maybe i blinked and coughed at the same time yeah yeah i will say because it also does a technique where the the frame rate uh like ramps up and down at certain points and coupled that with a 3d i didn't i didn't love that 3d i saw it in 3d with the high frame rate i wish i saw it on a much bigger screen but i do wonder how this would play at home.

Like I don't feel the urge to be like, I want to get this and put it on a TV and watch it at home. I have no urge to see it again, really. Because it's, I mean, it's three hours and 10 minutes, you know, and you, you know, you do feel it, you do feel it at times, but I will say this, like I've, you know, talked about how I don't like Jake Sully, how he's just an empty-headed moron who the tree's made to do things. And now there's a bit of that going on here, but it's got to the point where he's like he's at least a decade on,

well, more so. He's got children. There's stakes. He's part of a community. He's not just doing things because he's like, all right, which is how I felt in the first movie. And I think the gap between this movie and the previous movie, it really serves the story

and i think it also affected me personally is because i was a lot younger 13 years ago and i didn't have children and i'm not saying you can't you obviously enjoyed it you don't have kids but i think also but like i don't have any blue four-fingered kids that i know about i think if you made this exact movie two years, three years after, this doesn't work. I also think if you released this in the middle of The Force Awakens and even like Avengers Endgame, people would be like, no. No, James Cameron.

This is the perfect time maybe by choice or accident to release this movie. There is this gap where some people are like, I'm kind of sick of Marvel and everybody hates Star Wars at the moment or whatever it seems. I know whatever, but I think it's just, the timing

of this is perfect. I will say I think there's not enough of Zoe Saldana. I was going to say. She's one of the best things about the first movie. Yeah, I mean, obviously in this one there's less of a focus on Jake and Neytiri, and there's more a focus on the kids. It's more about

the kids growing up and etc. But yeah, I like, I would say I like most of the characters, but that's one of the things that I thought, is that there's a couple of characters that are kind of undercooked, and one of which is Zoe Saldana again again I feel like she was underserved in the first movie and she's been underserved in this one and it is a function of the plot but it's kind of like you know you're not gonna ever in a couple of scenes there is a scene in this where obviously Jake and

and the kids they all go to the way of waterland they go to the water visit one of the water tribes to take refuge there for reasons we'll talk about later. And there's a moment, there's some Jake Sully narration where he meets the chieftain of the water. Cliff Curtis. Ah, yes, that's right. Love Cliff Curtis. Unrecognizable in this role as a blue guy.

That's right. Blueish. Blueish. Greenish blueish. Teal. Turquoise. Yeah. That's probably accurate.

But there's a moment where they meet and they lock eyes, you know, because they're two leaders of these tribes or whatever and the Jake Sully narration is like, well, he's a tough guy and he's tough but fair and he's a bold warrior and everybody fears him but there's actually one more thing you should fear and then his wife comes up. Kate Winslet. Unrecognisable.

That's right. And then she shows up and Neytiri shows up and they just stare daggers at each other and you could there's a look between sully and the other chief that's like sorry i had to bring my bitch wife and the other guy's like yeah tell me about it and i'm like that's on brand that is on brand for the perpetually getting divorced james cameron hey he hasn't been divorced in like 20 years now good for him but i'm like'm like, that feels like a very James Cameron moment. Sorry about my bitch wife.

They just spend the entire movie just being like Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. Anyway, new characters, obviously Jake and Natiri, and then they've got some kids. Three kids. Four kids. They've got kids that I don't know. I like them. I don't know any of their names. No, I don't know either. But they've

got kids that they grew themselves with birth. Yep. And they've got one they adopted, which I think we'll have to get to in spoilers. Yeah. And then they've just got just a grubby human kid running around. Called Spider. You know when you're a little kid and there was just a grotty neighborhood kid? You're like, whose kid is this?

Where are your parents? Where are they? rotty neighborhood kid. You're like, whose kid is this? Where are your parents? Where are they? But he's just a kid who was born during the initial invasion of Pandora. Couldn't get back because he was too young.

And so he was raised there and he's gone all native. I love the idea of that character, like a human living among this tribe. Put some shorts on. Put some shorts on, obviously, with your little long cloth. Had pockets. What are you doing? And it's interesting about who like, who he's related to and how he was raised and all of that. But I hated his dreadlocks.

And I found that he was good. Like, the kid was good. But incredibly distracting. But, no, like you mentioned, I thought the kids, you know, were interesting and I think they kind of telegraphed, like, how that was going to go for a number of them. And the two sons, I felt mostly, I found them hard to tell apart. One of them is just Jake Sully.

Yes. And the other one's like, I want to be like that. I wish I was Jake Sully. Well, you will be because, I don't know, there's more movies. So you'll both become Jake Sully eventually. I don't know. Yeah. But what I thought was interesting also,

because we also see Sigourney Weaver's avatar. It's still in a tank because if you remember she died and they tried to transfer and they couldn't in the previous movie. And she's the same age. And Jake Sully also looks roughly the same age. I guess so does his wife. I don't know how any of these people age. But I think there was an implication in the first movie

that Sigourney Weaver has aged but her avatar hasn't. Right. And I wonder in a few movies down the line, is Jake Sully going to outlive, if he lives, going to outlive everybody? Because his avatar won't age because it's artificial. Yeah, no, they'll probably be like magic. Or he got hit with an arrow and he died.

What I was going to say about Spider is that despite the fact that you made him. I think that would be an interesting scenario that would again set him apart from everything. It's like Superman outlives everybody and whatever. Yeah, anyway, go on. I was going to say that whether you like Spider or not as a character, I think he grows on you a bit.

Yeah, definitely. No, yeah. It's just the hair. It's just the hair. It's just the hair and the loincloth. Put some shorts on. You have pockets. You can put stuff in your pockets.

You can put a slingshot in your pockets. Yeah. You grubby little boy who's probably 20-something. I don't know. He's 18. Is he? Okay. But he filmed it younger, obviously so just the idea of look there's a reason that there's a there's a narrative reason why the character exists but i'm also wondering if one of

the reasons that the character exists in the movie is because somebody went hey james cameron it's all well and good to have cgi characters in the c universe, but what if we just plonked a real person in there? Wouldn't that look bad? And he went, challenge accepted. Yeah. He's interacting. He's grabbing stuff. It's just amazing.

I completely – and he's a different size. Yeah, he is a different size. I don't think – so though Sigourney Weaver plays another character in this from the first movie who's voiced by Sigourney Weaver and is mo-capped by her. And she's supposed to be like 14. But she sounds like Sigourney Weaver. It's pretty distracting at times. A little bit, yeah.

Yeah. They give her the eyes of wonder. Yeah. But you are like. That's 60-year-old, 65-year-old Sigourney Weaver. Did they tweak the voice? I'm not sure they did. I think maybe they did.

I don't know. You would be able to do that, I assume. No, that's why they draw the line. Yeah. No, we can't do this. No, and we will not. But, of course, you mentioned this. Like a big part of these movies is, this movie, is the ocean stuff.

And that's where I felt it dipped for me because, you know, I don't need an hour of like, look at this whale, but it's got four eyes. Look, it's a stingray, but it's got more fins. I don't give a shit. I'm sorry, I don't need an hour of a fictional ocean. And I know this is like James Cameron's thing, and there is definite awe and wonder and the

majesty of it and whatever. It goes introduce the characters, an hour of awe and wonder, big battle sequence. I think he could have, I think he literally could have, and probably if he wanted to, would have just made the ocean part of this, just the environmental aspect of this movie. Well, here's the thing about the plot of this movie,

without giving too much away, it is new and it's great to see everything in it, but it is kind of the first. This bit in the ocean is just learning the ocean like they, it's just the same. So here's a question for you, James. What do you think about this? I think, because he's doing five of these or however many he wants to do. A hundred.

I think that every single one of these is just going to be a technical iteration of the previous one. Sure. And he said something about a casting thing, which I'll mention in spoilers. Yeah. That suggests to me that all these movies plot wise are going to be roughly the same but the idea is we go to go like oh this is incredible yeah it's kind of you you won't be bolder i think it's a better i think it's a like plot wise it is a better movie yeah but i think it is it's in a lot of ways it's kind of a tech demo yeah the idea

is we are wowed by it and it makes a billion dollars and then he gets to make the next one yeah and then maybe by five he's got that 3d without 3d glasses situation sorted and then we're like wow good great work yeah but i but in terms of like he's innovating you did it he's innovating technically but i'm not sure he's now getting your grave you've done it i think he's innovating technically. Yeah. But he's only like. Do you think he's doing it for like the technology as opposed to like. I think it is, yeah.

Well, I think there's that element of it. I think he's found the niche of like this is what he wants to do as a filmmaker. Yeah. Is create this flawless technical universe. And as like we said, everybody's skin looks amazing. And when somebody comes out of the water, the water beads off them. I'm looking at hair and I'm like, God damn. And everyone's hair is different.

But I – Somebody went, oh, I saw on Twitter, somebody went, Jake Sully's dreadlocks are terrible. Yeah, I know, but they look like authentically terrible dreadlocks. Exactly. They don't look like badly CGI dreadlocks. They look like amazing bad dreadlocks. This is a movie which is almost exclusively

featuring terrible dreadlocks on people. Yeah. Yeah, I think also, I think you're right. I think these, including, like, these have always been

the two tech demos, but he's also openly talked about how this is, has a very obvious environmental message. Yes. And the big part

of the reason why he wants to make that is to portray that. And I think when this becomes probably, well, easily the top, one of the top three grossing movies of the year, I think there might be people who are like, well, it did well because it's not about anything. But it's like, no, it's about the environment and capitalism and whatever and murdering ocean life. I could not imagine somebody coming away from this

and being like, this isn't about anything. You would be shocked, Mason. No, I am not. But there is like a, what is essentially like a brutal whaling scene that is horrifying. Yeah. And it's, you know, especially horrifying because there's a big drill. There's a big drill.

There's a big drill. It's like going to a giant dentist's office. They're smarter than humans apparently. That's true. As my brother texted me, he's like, just dive. What are you doing? That's right. And I know they had like countermeasures, but if these whales are so smart,

go away. Why aren't they investigating Bitcoin, these whales, if they're so smart? I loved that, I think I like the designs of the water navi more than the original Na'vi. And it also. Because they have big sort of flippery forearms and a big flippery tail.

They're border chest because they're obviously, they hold their breath for longer. The tails are more like to swim through the ocean. And I guess I also realized that, oh, yeah, the ones in the first movie for the jungle are built more kind of like, you know, like for primates and like grabbing branches and running and whatnot, where these are obviously built for the water. And I like that element of it.

I loved a lot of the action in this. I thought it's probably not the best action James Cameron has ever done because obviously I think Titanic is a great action movie. Obviously True Lies, Terminator movies, et cetera, and so forth, Aliens. But like I really love the spindly mechs. Yeah, there's a bunch more. Yeah. If you were just in this for weird-looking mechs,

there's one that's just you, but your arms are a bit spindly and your legs are a bit spindly. You can drink a coffee with a big arm. Yeah. There's sort of crab submarines that can operate on. Crab marines. Crab marines that can operate underwater as like little submersibles, but then on land they become big crab guys.

There's little torpedo kind of submarines. They're not as interesting, sure. Sure. But I would have loved to have seen like a hand-to-hand with one of the spindly mechs and a Nabi because they're about that height, but they didn't do that. I also would have liked to have seen more Carmelo, Soprano, Nurse Jackie, who was in this.

Edie Falco, yes. She's like, I'm the boss of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you? Where are you? Some surprising. She'll be another. Some surprising.

Jermaine Clements. Yeah, well, I was going to say there are some. Cameron does a really good mix, I think, of big stars and sort of relatively unknown character actors or character actors you haven't seen in a while. It took me a bit to go, that's Edie Falco. I'm like, is that Felicity Huffman? Who is this?

And then I'm like, of course, yeah. Well, you've texted me about Brendan Cowell. Cowell? Brendan Cowell. Cowell, who's an Australian actor. Who I haven't seen in ages. No, he's in, there's a great Australian movie called Noise. He's in a bunch of stuff.

He's in Game of Thrones. But he is, and I say this because I'm Australian, he is the most normal looking fucking dude I've ever seen in a movie. Just the guy that I see every day. Right. Just in this movie. He stepped out of the RSL. He's had a pub meal at the RSL.

He's had a chicken parma probably. And he's just popped into the ping pong ball suit to do Avatar. He's great. I think he's terrific and he's very good in this. Can we talk about the main villain? That was revealed beforehand, the main villain. He's in the trailer, so I think. Yeah, you think we can talk about how this person has returned and all of that?

I mean, look. I mean, we could just do spoilers now, I guess. That's true. Look, I'm going we could just do spoilers now, I guess. That's true. Look, I'm going to say you should see this. I agree. It would be what people are going to. But again, I wonder if the re-release of Avatar has poisoned people's desire to see new Avatar.

Yeah. Was it worth it to have $70 million more of tickets sold to original Avatar for people to go, I didn't love this. Yeah. Maybe I won't see the new one. But I would say most people didn't go and see that. That's true. And I like, and I say this, I think for me,

the benchmark of whether a movie is going to do anything is if my Norman mates comes up in a group chat. Yeah, right. And this has, like, multiple times. Same thing happened with Top Gun Maverick. Immediately people were like, this is amazing, you should see it. I've already seen it. I've got a podcast.

Exactly. No one talked about, like, Black Adam or even Doctor Strange and whatever. But these people, like, they're talking about. And I think, and I know a lot of people have commented on this, the internet and Twitter and all of these things, they don't actually reflect often what normal people, online freaks like us. That's true.

Wow. Is that why you never leave that horrible group chat? Because it's the true barometer of what's going to do well? Yes, Mason. That's exactly right. Did you know that in 2012, Brendan Cowell was in something called Save Your Legs? Exclamation point.

I'm going to click it. It's got a thing there. It's got a thing there. It's got a thing there? Yeah. Wasn't he in I Love You Man? He was in I Love You Man. Yeah. He wasn't in You and Your Stupid Mate, I don't think.

Well, that's disappointing. Save Your Legs is a 2012 Australian comedy film directed by Boyd Hicklin and starring Stephen Curry, Damien Gamo and Brendan Cowell. Oh, my God. It's the story of Edward Teddy Brown and his two mates of a Melbourne cricket team who travel to India for a tour. Save Your Legs. Save Your Legs,ell. Oh my god. Or is the story of Edward Teddy Brown and his two mates of a Melbourne cricket team who travel to India for a tour. Save your legs.

Save your legs, baby. I get it, man. I get it. Anyways, before we do spoilers, I think it's best movie ever. I also think it's best movie ever. And I enjoyed... I didn't think I would, honestly. I enjoyed being swept away. And I'm also glad we didn't spend five years going,

who cares, and James Cameron will fuck this. Yeah. Because he didn't, it turns out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there you go. There it is. He'll ruin the next one, I'm saying now. Yeah, that's right.

Anyway, so the main villain of this obviously is Stephen Lang who plays Mr Marine Man. I don't know what his name is. Marine in more ways than one. I agree. Because they're in a water place. Yes, that's true. But James Cameron I think said in an interview fairly recently

that he's going to be the antagonist of multiple sequels. Yeah. Which, again, makes me lean into this idea that these are just tech. It's just evolutions of the tech. And he's like, well, I've got the perfect bad guy. It's fine. Just bring him back over again. This guy again and again and whatever.

I'll just make him look better every time and you'll be like whoa yeah so basically what they've done they've and they explain this in a um in a in a cut scene uh where he's they they he wakes up in an avatar navi body he's like what what happened or whatever and he watches a video of himself in human form with giovanni rabisi who i thought would return again but he doesn't he's just in that one clip he'll probably be in others down the line and they before he went out into battle he stored himself in human form with Giovanni Ribisi, who I thought would return again, but he doesn't. He's just in that one clip. He'll probably be in others down the line. And before he went out into battle, he stored his memories in case he died, which he did, so they could put him in this body.

Just spit in this. Yeah. Story of memories. And then as a result of that, they also bring back a bunch of his crew and other people. Who I didn't remember from the previous one. I remember a couple of them. Okay, great.

Not Michelle Rodriguez in this movie. No. Well, I guess she was also like she died and i didn't remember from the previous i remember a couple of them great but also michelle rodriguez in this movie no well i guess she was also like she died and they didn't she didn't have an avatar body or nothing and why would they bring her back i don't know maybe for information i they could bring her back from information oh also i just wanted to say imagine you come back and you die and you come back in a new avatar body then you get pinged with an arrow immediately embarrassing mason yeah absolutely embarrassing we didn't really talk about we didn't really talk about the action in this movie, which I thought was, you know,

I think it may be a cut above the original one, but again, even more, you know, even more water and even more water and just crisp HD. Yeah. But I think, I mean, if there were to, if cuts were to be made, I think it would be maybe, remember there's the action

sequence where the the good guys, they sort of cause some chaos in that big sort of aircraft carrier situation and then it's just like, well, now it's going to – We've got to swim under and up. Yeah, now it's going to bounce on this thing and now it's going to skid over here and whatever. And I'm like, I feel you could chop some of those. But speaking of chopping, that's a –

I think I was going to mention this earlier. Like the last one, this did a great job of lining up a bunch of terrible people that we know are going to get knocked off at the end. Knocking them down, mate. Specifically, Brendan Cowell, Whaler. Yeah. Just getting his arm sawn off by a big metal cable and then flung into the ocean.

Do you think he's going to come back? Maybe. Because he's only lost the arm, didn't he? Yeah, maybe they could clone two of him. They could give him one avatar arm, one big long blue arm. And then an avatar body with a human arm. There's two of him now. He's double trouble.

I guess that's interesting that this is a universe where you could just make multiple versions of yourself, right? Because there's no, and also there's no rule. I mean, obviously the scene where we reveal that Stephen Lang's character was cloned, you could do that with anybody at any point. Exactly. They could be like, hey, we got Jake Sully's memories as well.

We're going to make an evil Jake Sully. I think they're going to make an evil Jake Sully. Oh, evil Jake Sully. He's going to be red. Regular Jake Sully would hate that. Yeah, he's going to be red, wouldn't he? You'd spot him in that jungle. Unless the next one is set in a volcano.

I think it might be. I think also the idea of bringing back villains and i think we saw a bit of this in the movie uh elysium where they repair charlotte o'copley after he takes like a grenade to the face oh yeah what does that psychologically and it sort of touches on this a little bit what does that psychologically do to a person that's true who was brought back from the dead because the previous version was obliterated yeah and he sort of wants to get revenge but but he's also like, well, I'm not that guy. Yeah. Interesting.

Yeah. That was interesting. And like, I wonder if he's going to do some kind of heel turn because, you know, it's also revealed that pretty early on that Spider is his son. Yes. And what is that? How is that relationship going to unfold? Is Spider going to get his own avatar, Mason?

No. Do you reckon? No. He's just going to get dirtier and dirtier. Dirtier and dirtier and shorter and shorter. That's right. Yeah. That's right.

It's the gravity. Yeah. It's going to squish him down. That's it. Well, apparently it is lighter gravity on this planet, isn't it? I think I remember that from the first movie. I also knew that Jake Sully's son, the one who's not exactly like Jake Sully, was like, I'm the older one and I'm responsible.

I'm like, that dude's definitely going to die. Because then, and he does. Yeah. Because his son, his second youngest, second oldest, it's just Jake Sully. And he's the kind of guy in a couple of movies time will be like, but I'm not ready to be a leader. I'm not like my dad. And his dad will be in a tree and he'll be like, actually, you're just like me.

Yeah. If not, you're even better and whatever. I mean, you know. Now you're going to get the big red bird. Get the bird. And fight the big red Jake Sully. He's got a blue bird. That's right.

That's how we'll tell you apart later in the big action sequence where you're fighting over an aircraft carrier or something. That makes sense that the son of Jake Sully fights evil Jake Sully, Mason. You know what you're doing. That would be flippin' switchin' it up. I wouldn't know what to do. I wouldn't know who to call after the movie. That's right. Everyone, I guess.

Yeah, I guess you'd call everyone. But, yeah, I guess you need, you know, there's nothing wrong with a trope or two. Nah, man, these are all tropes. If you're going to innovate, you know. And if it's interesting enough, it carries along. I also really like the daughter because I've got, like, kids about that age and whatever.

Oh, like the youngest. The younger ones. I'm like, get out of here with your teenagers. I'm not at that period of time yet. But I thought she was delightful. Yeah. Yeah. Just a funny little kid running around.

Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Enjoyed that. What did I? Oh, yeah. Here's the thought that I had. Okay. So the Sully family, they have to leave their tribe to go to the Way of Water.

Yeah. Because the bad guys have tracked them down. They're going to track them down. Yeah. I like how they revisit the old battle site and all of that. That was fun. Ooh, nostalgia. But I guess my question is.

No, it's not being sarcastic. So they go to the Way of Water tribes. Yeah. And then the bad guys show up and they're like, all right, we're going to blow up. We're going to keep blowing up, you know, tribal locations until we get the location of Jake Sully. What did they do with the forest people?

Did they blow them up? I don't know. How did they get from the forest to the white? Well, they tracked the jet. Right, but it doesn't solve anybody's. If your strategy is, well, we don't want to get our tribes people in the forest harmed, so we'll leave. Yeah.

Surely the Marines would just show up and just kill all of you and then be like, tell us where they went. Oh, they went to the way of water. Okay, well, we'll follow them. So what happened to that tribe? Did they just go underground? Maybe they went underground. Maybe they went underground.

Or they were hiding in the mountains and whatever, the floating mountains. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was cool. But I guess there's a – it's weird to say in the movie it's three hours long, but it feels like there's a missing scene where they figured out how to get from the forest to the way of water. Yeah, okay.

The bad guys figured it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe I just missed it. Maybe I tuned out. Yeah, you might be right. Maybe you tuned out because it was three hours and ten minutes long, Mason. Maybe I tuned out right at the start. I got a quick little nap.

Sure. Absolutely. Yeah. God damn, this movie looked good though, didn't it? Like I was looking and I'm like, huh, this isn't real. This isn't real. And I like how it's got no message. Oh, Sigourney Weaver's Immaculate Conception baby, maybe.

Maybe. Or it was Joel David Moore. Yeah. So Sigourney Weaver has a baby in this. Yep. And it's Sigourney Weaver again. Yeah, it's a hybrid baby because she done it in her avatar form with someone.

Maybe, unless it's like a tree situation. Maybe it's a magic tree situation, right? Yeah. It's also, I think it's possible that the kid just ends up being Sigourney Weaver again. That the tree just puts Sigourney Weaver back in Sigourney Weaver. Because there's a moment where she communes with the magic tree. And Sigourney Weaver's there for real.

And she's like, I've got to tell you a big secret or something. You're me, really. Yeah, or you have a brain injury or something. Yeah, maybe that. Yeah, that never came up again. Yeah, I think she didn't have a brain injury. Yeah, it's also interesting that there's a Sigourney Weaver's daughter's character, Sigourney Weaver, has a subplot where she might

have epilepsy in a movie where we get an epilepsy warning at the start of the movie. Oh, yeah. Do you think that was the warning? Yeah, probably. Yeah. Is that how it works? I think so, yeah.

Terrific stuff, Mason. Anyway, you've got to have some mysteries for the next several movies to unfold and et cetera and so forth. But there won't be that many. There'll just be some because it'll be the same movie. These movies, as we mentioned, they don't rely on twists and turns and what's next. Or cameos.

Or cameos and who's got a lightsaber now and whatever. Yeah, we're building the rivalries between the characters and the vendettas and whose wife hates who else's wife and all that sort of stuff. Okay, Winston hates always the darling. Yeah, the two wives hate each other. Two wives hate each other.

It's my favorite thing in the film. Wife battle, wife battle. Great stuff, Mason. Would you like some reviews from people who have sent in? Yes. From Ethan Price who says, hashtag weekly planet pod. Just came out of Avatar 2 and if this movie was made by anyone other than James Cameron, it would ruin their career.

Movie where Earth sends its entire military for revenge plot against one man. Why was the big fish a killer if it didn't kill anyone? Awful. I mean, that's just fish politics. It seems like a lot of fish politics that we are not privy to. And they're smarter than us, so we don't know. That's true. Yeah.

Nate Harris says, hashtag weekly planet pod. Somebody probably stole somebody else's ape. That's true. You know? Yeah. They're non-fungible. That's the thing. That's the point.

It's poor form. You missed the point of it. Poor form. Nate says, The Way of Water, once again, a beautiful demonstration of modern CGI

and motion capture, once again, played out over the plot of an environmental after-school special. Oh! This one from Devesh Sood, who says,

Hashtag weekly planet pod. I liked OG Avatar, but I really loved this new one. Some have said the middle drags, but I found it to be essential simplicity it needed to build the world. The finale left me grinning from ear to ear, and good God, it's beautiful. High frame rate is weird, though. I don't disagree with that. I also need, I forgot to mention this.

You know all the stuff with the water, and I'm like, whatever, don't care. This could have been 10 minutes. I understand that that is for somebody else as well like i'm not like you could take that out because i hate it right i get that a lot of people are just like that's the best part of the movie yeah but for me i'm a dad and i love dad stuff that's true yeah big battleships in that train yeah books about winston church. There is a train heist. I clapped so loud, Mason. I didn't even know who to call after the movie.

My dad, obviously. That's right. Yeah. Do you think Jermaine Clement's going to be back for the next one? I hope so. But also, he just might not be. Might not be. The next one might not be about whaling at all.

That's true. It might be a different thing. It'll be set in a volcano. Yeah. We have to fight Big Red Jake Sully. Yeah. Yeah. Great stuff, Mason. Anything else?

I think that's the whole thing. All in all, very pleasantly surprised. Allully. Yeah. Hell yeah. Great stuff, Mason. Anything else? I think that's the whole thing. All in all, very pleasantly surprised. All right. Yeah. And let's move to the next segment of the show. But what is it? It's what we're reading. What else is it?

What are we going to read? Those are the two things it is. Yes. I'm doing a thing. What are we reading today? Wow, Mason, this is the segment of the show where we tell each other our secrets. Oh, is it?

Yeah. Wow. So the option here is to tell, like, deep, dark secrets, but all we do is watch movies and read comic books, so that's all we have. Yes, that's right. Oh, that's interesting. I think it's very interesting.

It's interesting enough to be a recurring segment. That's true. For 10 years, maybe nearly. That's right. Have we done the same? Yeah, if Collings would have put it in. That's terrific. What have you been reading. That's true. For 10 years maybe nearly. That's right. Have we done the thing? Yeah, Collings would have put it in. That's terrific. What have you been reading? Well, Mason, I haven't been reading. I've been playing a video game. Oh, excuse me.

Now I have my Netflix app. That's illegal, but alright. My Netflix app on my phone. There are games on that. And I went, ah, there's a section that says, do you want any of these games? Okay. And I'm like, alright. So it turns out they're just part of Netflix. Yeah. And I downloaded Into the Breach. Okay. Which is a it's an older game, like a few years, but it's a turn-based games okay i'm like all right so it turns out that they're just part of netflix yeah and i downloaded into the breach okay which is a it's an older game like a few years but it's a turn-based

strategy developed by subset games so basically it's a grid and you've got like a mech and a tank and some other stuff and whatever like warhammer yeah it's exactly like that actually wow and there's time travel or whatever and it's a simple complex it's not time travel or whatever no there is there is it's time travel or whatever because every time you die, they're like, get into the breach, and then you reverse and you go back or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's simple in concept, sorry, I meant to say,

but it is like, you know, it's difficult in execution. It's like you've got to play. It's on a grid, and you've got to plan it out exactly and how the aliens are going to attack you, and you've only got so many. You're planning how the aliens are going to attack you. Yeah, I don't because I don't want them to. Oh.

Yeah, so I'm planning that they don't do that. But often they do attack me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's quite challenging in like an interesting way. It's like a, it's just a very well put together. Into the breach it's called. Yeah, and if you've got Netflix on your, like at all, you can just download it on your phone.

That's interesting. I would have thought that they also added that game, which I was initially intrigued by, but it. They're putting on the Queen's Gambit game. Yes. For real. Oh, terrific. Yeah.

There was a game that was quite intriguing to me and it had like a kind of an all-star cast to it but it turned out to be quite weird and unpleasant. I think it was called 15 Minutes or something like that. Oh, where you're in an apartment? Yeah, you're in an apartment and there's a guy in the door or whatever. But apparently – and I initially was like, oh, that seems very interesting, but it's quite unpleasant it seems. And then I'm like, well, I should just Google how it ends.

And I'm like, oh, that's odd. Very odd. Oh, this is a classic isometric game. Yeah, it's really fun. It's really fun. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. And there's like the terrain obviously affects what you're doing

and whatever. And again, I was thinking of getting it anyway on Switch. Well, now you don't have to. I might anyway because I enjoy it so much. Yeah. I mean, I guess when I heard that Netflix was adding games, I guess I just thought it was like. Crap.

Yes. Yes, precisely. But this is like, this is an incredible addition to the service. Like it really is. If you were on the verge of cancelling. Yeah. Would you have, would you stick around for this? Probably, yeah.

Oh, Kentucky Route Zero. You should play Kentucky Route Zero. Yeah, I know. I know, Mason. You've talked about that one. It's called 12 Minutes. The gross game. It's gross.

It's called 12 Minutes and it's gross. 12 gross minutes. I like how it's Kentucky Route Zero. Great game. Award winning, I'm pretty sure. 12 Minutes, you know, odd but also, you know, there's a lot of hype behind it. Next one, Too Hot to Handle. Love is a game.

Sexy game. Sexy game stuff. Okay, all right. Maybe I'll check some of these out. You should, man. But I'll tell you is a Game. Sexy game. Sexy game stuff. Okay, right. Maybe I'll check some of these out. You should, man. But I'll tell you what I've been watching this week. What? Fricking nothing.

I'll tell you that. You know what I have been watching? What's that? Criterion Collection has a channel on YouTube where it's just like notable people like celebrities, actors, directors, sometimes comedians, musicians, what have you, and they just go into the Criterion closet. And they go, help. They go, help. A lot of them do. and they just go into the Criterion closet. And they go, help. They go, help.

A lot of them do. There's no handle on the inside of this closet. How do I get out of here? And they're like, that's the trick. You don't. We're trapping you in here. This is a collection. The collection is you.

The collection is a collection of actors and directors. Yeah. Anyway, it's just sort of fascinating. They go in there and they pick, like, you know, iconic. They pick, like, you know, iconic movies that influence them or, you know, that they just heard before. Yeah, cool. Or a lot of the time it's just like.

Is it from recent or is it over the years? The videos. Yeah. Like in some of them, like, this is from the 90s. This is what someone else thinks of the thing. Do you know what I'm talking about? They're all filmed in the present day. No, I get that.

But the Criterion Collection contains. No, I know that. But, you know, sometimes like an old interview with Tarantino will come up and he's like, these are my favourite movies. Oh, no, they have those, but that's unrelated. I'm watching specifically. Okay, this specific series. They're in the closet and they're picking movies.

It's very entertaining, I think, but I've been watching that and what happens is. Hang on, I just have a phone call. You don't. You're on a. Hello. You've gone goofy, James. Stop this.

And what happens is like 10% of the time I'm like, oh, that's a pretty – I remember that. I've actually seen that. It's a great one. I remember the movie. And 90% of the time I'm like, that's a classic that I have never seen, so that's going on the list, I guess. But you're too busy watching this show to watch actual movies.

That's exactly right, yes. Cool, I'll check that out. Criterion Collection, you say. Well, I got to that because I think we were talking about William Friedkin like maybe last week or something like that. Yeah, that's true. But I did watch a movie. Rick and Morty?

Yes, I watched Rick and Morty. No, I watched the movie he recommended. It's a John Cassavetes movie called The Killing of a Chinese Bookie, which is from the 70s. Oh, I haven't seen that. It's about a guy. It's the uncut gems of its day, James. Oh, I've seen that movie.

It's about a guy who's finally paid off his strip club. Yep. But then he gets deeply in debt in the celebration. He spends too much money and then they're like, listen, you've just got to kill this one guy and we'll settle the debt. Yeah. It's very good. And he says, no, thank you.

I'm going to the police. Which is good. That's what you should do. That's exactly right. That's what they do in movies these days, Mason. So the lead is a guy called Ben Gazzara, and he is the bad guy in The Big Lebowski. Okay.

So what's his name? I don't remember. Treehorn. His name's Treehorn, I think. But he's the guy that The Big Lebowski owes money to. Oh, it's a cool man. Which is why the guys come to pee on the other Lebowski's rug. So I'm like, oh, it all makes sense now.

That's why he's in that movie because it's a parallel to the movie that he was in where he owed the money. Now he's the guy who. You love a reference. I love a reference. Did you enjoy that Easter egg? I loved it. I was like, this is an Easter egg, this movie from the 70s.

Anyway, good movie. Good movie. I just found it on YouTube. Yeah. Because sometimes Criterion Collection movies are just on YouTube. Yeah. Because no one cares. Because they don't seem to mind.

That's true. People would stuff on YouTube. But, yeah. I don't mind if you, speaking of YouTube, you play the theme of the next. I'm not ready. I'm ready. The next segment of the show, but you play it through YouTube. Maybe I'll do it right now.

Maybe I was ready the whole time. The classic one was. Yeah. Let letters, oh letters, we love you. Some letters, they're only a day away. I know they're here right now. We're going to do letters. That's the truth. That is the truth. You've got to believe it.

This is the segment of the show where we say, hey, you got any letters? And then Mason says, I do actually because people sent them through to me at weeklyplanetpod at gmail.com. That's right. And I say, well, that's interesting, because I actually got some on Twitter via hashtag weeklyplanetpod, Mason. What do you got this week in terms of letters?

This is from Chris. Chris? He says, Superman in Legion of Superheroes, question mark. Excuse me, what? Hello to Maceo and regular-sized James. What are your thoughts on the James Gunn Superman movie being a Legion of Superheroes movie being a legion of superheroes movie with a young Superman travelling to the future?

Similar to the early Superboy stories in the animated series, you get a young Superman learning to be a hero without retreading anything we've seen on film before. You'd have less pressure to get the full Superman mythos figured out right away. Lois Lane, Lex Luthor, etc. could be in the sequel and it'd fit Gunn's style of a weirder group of B-list characters. I like that idea. I like it too, yeah. So for people who don't know

the Legion of Superheroes, they're heroes in the 30th century. They're kind of, I mean they started as kind of like very stock kind of 1950s, 1960s kind of. There's a lightning lad and there's a Saturn girl and all this sort of stuff.

But they've sort of evolved over the years. But I like that idea that where he's not even – and we've talked about this before that like he's not the biggest fish in the pond. Like, you know, he's just, you know, one in a big group of people who are also like have a mighty count. Pretty super. Pretty super.

Yeah. Yeah, you're pretty super. He goes, yeah. We're going to call you pretty super, man, on account of how you're pretty super and we also find you very pretty. Pretty super. Yeah. Yeah, you're pretty super. He goes, yeah. We're going to call you pretty Superman on account of how you're pretty super and we also find you very pretty. We're very pretty. Yes. You're actually delightful to look at.

That's right. Yeah. I don't mind that at all. I think he's probably just going to go simpler though, honestly. Yeah. And also I wonder if he – I feel like a Legion of Superheroes movie might feel like it's retreading Guardians of the Galaxy grounds. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I reckon he may be – and if he Galaxy Grounds. I reckon he maybe, and if he is maybe directing this, I think the key would be, I can't believe we've just talked ourselves out of this, but I think he would want to just do

fairly, you know, we establish what Metropolis is like and what it's like to live in Metropolis, that kind of thing. And then you have a big robot coming through. And the robot comes and he goes, oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody help me. Oh, no, I'll do it.

I'm Superman. I'm Superman. I forgot. Yeah. I actually have a tweet. I got lost in my eyes in the mirror. I got a tweet. It's a very pretty Superman.

Mason did a little, like, head snap, like he was looking at a mirror. This is from Mikey Rock on Twitter. Hashtag weekly planet pod. So I guess Black Adam can now be in the running for the Gamers On Award. This is from Mikey Rock on Twitter, hashtag weeklyplanetpod. So I guess Black Adam can now be in the running for the Gamers On Award. I also put this in in case up top I forgot to mention the Weekly Planet Awards, which is, again, if you heard the start of the show, is happening next week. But, yeah, it's looking pretty good for this.

I'd have to look at the others in the category. But, yeah, that Black Adam ending, oh boy, it aged pretty terribly pretty quickly, didn't it, Mason? Yes, it did, didn't it? Do you have another letter? I bet I can find another letter. While you're doing that, I'll do this from William Robinson, Mason, who says, hashtag WickedPlanetPod,

Hi, I find it very amusing that Deadline suggests Gerard Butler and his new film Plane will be the film to end the reign of Avatar 2 in January. Would you consider doing any Butler-themed Caravan of Garbage episodes, perhaps the three Fallen films? Thanks. Yeah, I love Jerry Butler.

I'd probably do, like, Gamer. Gamer? Oh, yeah. That's a grubby movie. What's the one also where he – Laura Biding Citizen. Laura Biding Citizen. Where he has the phone, shoots the woman in the head.

Oh, that is Laura Biding Citizen. That's what a grubby combination. We should do the grubby butler trilogy. Oh, grubby. He's so grubby, isn't he? He's really lent into the grubbiness. We'd probably end up doing a Frank, what the fuck's his name, Mason? It's late.

He wrote 300. He directed The Spirit. Frank Miller. Yeah. We'd probably end up doing a Frank Miller. Yeah, Frank Miller-a-thon. We'd do 300. We could say it's Miller time. We probably end up doing a Frank Miller. Yeah, Frank Miller-a-thon. We do 300 and that's it. We could say it's Miller time.

We could say it's Miller time. And we could get sponsorship from anybody but that beer company. Because it's bad beer maybe. Yeah, it seems that way. I've never had one, but I'd be willing to take money from them. That's hell yeah. Mason, I'm out of tweets though. I wish you had something.

I bet I've got some bloody. What's happened is, I don't know if you remember a few weeks ago. Yeah. It turned out all the emails were in, all the relevant emails were in spam. Yeah. So I went not spam, not spam, not spam. So what Google has done is decided that everything in the spam folder is now not spam. Yeah.

So it's just relentless spam now. That's great. This is from Daniel. Hello, Daniel. James called me an idiot who eats garbage. That's true. Hi, James. I don't know that James called me an idiot who eats garbage. That's true. Hi, James. I don't know that this is true, but it sounds true.

Hope you guys are doing well as the holiday season approaches. I was listening to an old episode of the podcast when an ad for a meal kit popped up. Among the highlights of the ad was Mason comparing the fresh cooked meals to a whopper from McDonald's. James eventually exclaimed, McDonald's is garbage food for idiots. Little did he know, I was currently holding a bag of McDonald's breakfast on my way back to my room. Can I be the official garbage eatingeating idiot of the pod? I mean, we've got a lot of competition. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Also, I eat a lot of garbage as well. Oh, my God. I love a breakfast at McDonald's. A whopper from McDonald's though, Mason? That sounds like something I would say. That's ridiculous. No, no, that's very clever what I said there. Yeah.

Do you love a breakfast at McDonald's? I never go. You should. You should. It'll change your life. You'll get greasier. I've done it. Like I know what it is.

Do it again though. I'm not surprised by it. Wow. And I made it. Like I made it for years. Oh, that's true. So I don't want to fucking look at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Those rubbery eggs. Well, guess what, James? No, they're real eggs. When I go to McDonald's, I'm going to get twice the breakfast at McDonald's because you're not going to eat it. Well, for you, mate. I got you. That's good.

I think so, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but, you know, it's fine. It's very greasy. I know. Even the fucking cups are greasy. The orange juice is greasy. That's weird.

That's actually weird. Just a greasy situation. That's actually weird. Yeah. Ah, yeah. Yeah, but, you know, it's McDonald's. What the fuck do you expect, you weird. That's actually weird. Just a greasy situation. That's actually weird. Yeah. Ah, yeah. Yeah, but you know, what's McDonald's? What the fuck do you expect, you know? That's so true.

Yeah. Ooh, unclaimed money. Oh, really? How much is it? Ah, let's find out. I think I ought to claim your cash. How much? Right now in America, there's over $50 billion in unclaimed money and assets, asterisk.

Okay. And some of that may belong to you. See, if I have unclaimed cash i click the link i'll never find to explode no i don't want my phone to explode yeah anyway this is from washing machine hi james and may so writing to you from los angeles long time listener first time writing in and recent big sandwich member hi washing machine hey washing machine i love the way you wash things i don't expect this to be read in a letter segment well too bad. But I just wanted to let you all know that I love listening to the pod while I make silly YouTube videos for fun

where I put Norman Osborne out of business. Just finished another one earlier this week and I thought I'd send you guys a link to check them out. YouTube.com, Washing Machine Media. I don't know what this is. You should click it. You should click it. I should click it.

You should click it. I don't have it open because I've got this weird laptop at the moment. Oh, well, I'm going to click it. All right. He's doing little videos. They're getting a few thousand views. They should click it. I don't have it open because I've got this weird laptop at the moment. Oh, well, I'm going to click it. All right. He's doing little videos. They're getting a few thousand views. They're pretty good. Very good.

Video. I don't have time to watch this right now, Chad. No, well, obviously, we're in the middle of a podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got to watch the movie Tar. I like that this washing machine is not just a washing machine anymore. I agree. And it's branched out into social media content.

I think that's terrific. I'm going to find one more letter, James. What do you think about that? Well, I don't mind, Mason, but I'm just not going to – I'm going to give up. Okay. This is from Coops. Okay. Hometown letter.

I was listening to the last episode of The Pod, and you mentioned my hometown of Echuca Moama. Yeah. It's made my day as I've been listening to you guys for over three years now, and yes, you should definitely go on one of the paddle steamers. I've been on the paddle steamers. I got my fucking head stuck in a railing in there when I was a kid. I've spent a lot of time in Echuca Moama. I've been on the paddle steamers. I got my fucking head stuck in a railing in there when I was a kid. I've spent a lot of time in Echuca Moama.

I've got family up there. Okay, but have you gotten your head stuck in a railing near the paddle steamers as an adult? No. Well then that's a beautiful experience where we could share. We could go there. We'd have a good time. I went to that weird sawmill or whatever they have on the Murray. Then as a kid it was like an old timey town

kind of situation. I went to the maze in Echuca, Moama, Mason. What kind of maze did they have? It was like a veg maze or whatever. We ended up just going out the entrance because we couldn't figure it out or whatever. I've been to the Moama Bowls Club. My grandparents used to be members there, Mason. I went paintballing in Moama when you couldn't do it in Victoria.

You had to go over the border. Wow, it was illegal in Victoria. I've spent a lot of time in Echuca, Moama. I have family from Rochester. Have you spent more time in Echuca or more time in Moama? Probably Moama because my grandma lived there, but she died in like the mid-90s. And a lot of people said that she deserved it, but that was not true.

She was a nice woman. Wow. A lot of people in Echuca, though. Her nemeses. The rival of them. Her many nemeses. I've walked the bridge many a time, Mason. Wow.

I've stayed at Wimby as a child. Wimby? It was like a little... This is great. It was on the Murray. We've struck gold here and I appreciate it. I know Echuca, Moama. Don't tell me that I don't, Mason.

Yeah. Yeah. Here's one more email. It's two separate towns, by the way. Echuca is on the Victoria side of the river and Moama is on the New South Wales side. Yeah. Yeah. Go's one more email. It's two separate towns, by the way. Echuca is on the Victoria side of the river and Moama is on the New South Wales side. Yeah. Yeah.

Go on, though. The dog's trying to get in. You read the email. I'll get the dog in. One time I went to Echuca, Moama. Yeah. And I went to, like, there's a Kmart in the middle or something like that.

And I ran into our mutual friend Pip there. What? Yeah. That's outrageous. Just as a coincidence. I don't believe you. Well, there you go. Anyway, this is an email from Grant. Okay, Grant.

Formerly relevant actors in franchises. Hey fellas, I was thinking while watching your Avatar Caravan of Garbage that Sam Worthington was one of those actors who was in a lot of stuff for a short while and then lost almost all relevance and yet is tied to a massive franchise for years to come. I also more or less feel this way about Carrie Fisher, seeing where her career

went after Mainline Star Wars wrapped up, only to have to return decades later. Had me wondering if you have a favourite example of this type of situation. She wrote for years, though. She did, that's true. I mean, a lot of the time when you think about it, you know, if the talent is there, the second career emerges. I was just thinking about this the other day.

Of the three main leads of Star Wars, original Star Wars, original recipe Star Wars, Harrison Ford. He's going to let the talking keep talking, I can't hear you. Yeah, Harrison Ford sort of main – like he had the best – I would say the overall best career. And I wonder if that like – in terms of like hitting the mainstream success and retaining that in the public eye. Yeah, he's like he was the movie star or whatever.

But I mean he was also – he was the movie star, but also I'm wondering if that's just because didn't he get points off the gross for one of those? Sure, yeah. I think it was – I'm just thinking maybe it's just because he got so much money from the first couple and the other two didn't that he could just pick and choose. Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's a case of like whenever he re-emerged in the public eye, it was sort of a big budget thing and it was very well-received and popular, whereas if you didn't, you know, if you still are, despite being in a big movie, you're still a working actor. It's like a case of like, well, Mark Hamill and I have got to do a Guyver movie or whatever I'm going to do. You're going to be in Sequest to DSV.

I'm going to be in Sequest to DSV kind of thing, yeah. Do we have any examples? Joy Courtney. Oh, yeah. And I like Joy Courtney. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What about an Eddie Redmayne? He's still around.

I guess. I saw him do a GQ 10 Essentials video the other day. That's true. I do like him. What about Taylor Kitsch? Sure. Yeah. What about?

Because it's hard to figure out who the young guys, they've got the charisma we want. They tried to shy LaBuffus for a long time. And then they tried to shy LaBuffus again. And I'm like, stop doing this, please. the charisma we want. They tried to Shia LaBeouf us for a long time. And then they tried to Shia LaBeouf us again. And I'm like, stop doing this, please. That's right. I don't like this. I'm going to remain very unbuffed.

That's right. In every possible sense. In every possible sense, Mason. Tom Berringer. Tom Berringer? No? I don't know. I reckon he's still going strong as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think a lot of the times, though, like it's just roles. Yeah. Like it's not usually like this is a thoroughly un-fucking-likable person who's bad. It's just like you've just had a – you made three bad things in a row. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Travolta?

Well, I mean, he came back like multiple times. He came back, but then he lost it all again. He did, yeah. Because he hit it big with Saturday Night Fever, et cetera. Yeah. And Grease. Yeah. And then he disappeared, and then Tarantino recast him in Pulp Fiction

and was like, oh, it's a new era for Travolta. And then it's like – but then he's doing From Paris With Love or whatever. Or whatever he's doing, yeah. That's right. I think he looks great with no hair, though. I completely agree. I think you should do that more. I think you should wear that bald cap more often because I think he still has hair.

I think he's pretending to be bald. He's a chameleon, that guy. I don't think he's been wearing wigs for years, Mason. I think he's pretending to be bald. And you're the premier wig guy. That's right. Why would I get this wrong? Great.

That's his first pic. Yeah. His pic when you Google him, he's there with a shave. Could have done it years ago. Bit of a bloody stubble. Must have been a relief for John Travolta though, right? Just be like, I'm bald, everybody. And we're like, yeah, we know.

Yeah. We know, mate. Is the reason you put off telling everybody because everybody in the world already knew? Is that why you put it off? Thought it would be pointless? Is that everything then? That's the whole show, I think. All right, Mason, let's stop.

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Other than that, the show is relatively entertaining in the background whilst doing the dishes. Keep up the great work, lads, and grab that rock. Relatively entertaining. And obviously Snake Eyes next week. That is very true. Oh, yeah. End of the year.

We should not get out before the end of the year. I agree. Focus, folks. Focus. Focus. Focus, James. I'm focused. We're nearly there. No, focus. I'm focusing. Look at me. All right. Focus, folks. Focus. Focus. Focus, James. I'm focused. We're nearly there.

No, focus. I'm focusing. Look at me. All right. That's good. Yeah. We're doing some good head acting this episode. I'm doing that, you know, that surprise gerbil.

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Yes. Okay, great. Great stuff. But even if it didn't. I think we'd give it some more awards. Why not? We'll find a way to give it an award. I agree.

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