The Weekly Planet - 483 The Flash

Episode Date: June 19, 2023

The DCEU is dead. After ten long and wonderful years beginning with Man Of Steel in 2013 The Flash is wrapping things up in absolute style. But before we get into that we talk the passing of John Romita Snr, more news of the writers strike, huge date changes for the MCU, Star Wars, Avatar and SPUMM, the first leaked look at Kraven, The Incredible Hulk arrives at Disney, Christopher Nolan is being courted by Warner Brothers, more CW cancellations as well as Batman: The Brave & The Bold finds its director. Thanks for listening!Visit bigsandwich.co for a bonus weekly show, exclusive movie commentaries, early stuff and ad-free podcast feeds for $9 per month.Please be aware timecodes may shift due to inserted ads.00:00 The Start04:13 John Romita Sr. RIP07:34 Big Disney & Marvel Release Changes17:25 Kraven the Hunter First Look19:28 The Incredible Hulk on Disney Plus20:53 Big Payday for Christopher Nolan23:48 Gotham Knights Cancelled & Superman Renewed25:27 Batman: The Brave & The Bold Movie Director26:01 The Flash Movie Review (spoilers 52:46 to 01:15:22)01:15:22 What We Reading, What We Gonna Read01:18:44 Letters, It’s Time For LettersJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownMaso's Instagram ► https://www.instagram.com/nickmaseauThe Weekly Planet Twitter ► https://twitter.com/theweeklyplanetPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesTWP iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767TWP Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetTWP YouTube Channel ► https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2QbmwGjT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday. With me as always, my co-host, Nick Mason. Wow, a rare misstep from James' Mr. Sunday movies there. Thank you. It was rare, and it was a misstep. You got both things right. Well done.

What a great start. I think so, too. Yeah. Bless this mess. Agreed. I misspoke again, but I was trying to fix your microphone. So if anything, that's your fault. It's part of my contract that I do not fix anything and everything goes wrong all the time and I'm bad at it.

If you'll check Article 1 of my contract, it says he will be bad at everything all the time forever. The one and only article. Yes, and you can't fire him because technically he doesn't work here, I guess. Anyway, it's great to be here. It certainly is. Just up top, I went on a few podcasts this week,

but they're all under the Sandspan's umbrella. The one that's out at the moment of time of recording is Thumb Cramps, which is a big fun time where we talk about all the video gaming we've been doing lately. So it's also i can't remember how they phrase it but it's games giving something when they make each other play a game and it's like a gift and they go wow did you have to play again no i mean i played my own game oh well not part of games giving no they didn't let me in wow that's actually very rude of them yeah but that was good fun but that's all right because like jack Jackson would have made you play some weird freak game.

That's true. So you would have had to give him some weird freak game so you would have to go to the game shop and be like, what's a weird freak game, Jackson? But I also did a couple of episodes of Plumbing the Death Star, which I haven't done in a few years. They're out this week or at least one of them is out this week. Cool. So, yeah, one of them is on itaining Men, and what would that look like?

Okay. Horrifying. Horrifying. And the other is, what would you do if you had the powers of the Flash? Oh. Probably make it Raining Men. Probably make it Raining Men. So that also ties into this week, of course,

where we are going to be talking about the Flash movie. Oh, 100 years in the making. My goodness, you are not wrong. There are time codes below if you do want to jump to that, but before we get there, we're going to talk about the death of a comic book legend, some updates on the writer's strike, a whole lot of new dates for some MCU stuff and some Avatar stuff and some Disney stuff, Mason, and some Sony Marvel stuff. Stuff.

First look at art. Some Spum stuff is what you're saying. Some Spum stuff, that's right. Okay, all right. First look at Kraven. Oh, that's some Spum stuff. It certainly're saying. Spum stuff, that's right. First look at Kraven. Oh, that's some Spum stuff. It certainly is. What's going on with the Hulk?

What's going on with the Hulk? That's a great question. That's our spin-off podcast. What's going on with the Hulk? We don't know. We don't know. He's not here. We have no connections.

You tell us. Yeah, if you could. If you know. The authorities, let us know. That's right. Why is he and David Banner always walking slowly in the woods at roughly the same time? What's going on there?

I don't get it. Why is that sad music playing all the time? Do you think there's a connection between those two? We don't know. We don't know. We're not the authorities. You tell us. Yeah.

Yeah. Christopher Nolan is also maybe that Warner Brothers deal is like some mending of fences and bridges. Oh, the fences have been mended. Mate, if the fences are mended, would that mean there would be a divide still? Did you put a fence up? Oh, that's true actually.

Stay on your side of the fence. Yeah, I'd never thought about that phrasing at all. We've cracked the code. We have. Because that implies, James, that even though the fences have been mended, there is still that divide. There's still that divide. Is that, is the premise there like you're warring neighbours?

Yeah. But then you've mended the fence, but you're still like, you're still cold and aloof? It was. It makes you think. It does. If it was fences are mended and there's a gate, that's different. Or a slip and slide. Yeah.

A communal slip and slide, you know? Yeah, absolutely. a communal slip and slide, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Also, there's some more cancellations on the CW and then the Batman, the Brave and the Bold gets a director. For now. That leads into The Flash. Yes.

Which we will talk about. Mason, sad news. It's just there's been, there was nine seasons of The Flash TV series in between the announcement of The Flash movie and The Flash movie coming out. It's just fascinating. We just don't know. Yeah, we just don't know.

So John Ramirez Sr. has passed away at age 93. People might know him as he's the artist who took over from Steve Ditko in 1966 on The Amazing Spider-Man. That's true. He's responsible for a number of iconic imagery, including Spider-Man No More More, I'm Not Spider-Man, I Won't Be Doing It. Spider-Man costume in the bin. Spider-Man in the bin, yeah. He's responsible for Spider-Man in the bin.

If they were to let me, this is off topic, of this man's death who died, which is very sad, I'd do like an Elseworlds where the suit puts Peter Parker in the bin and his suit is walking away. Wow. What do you think? And the head's sort of floppy to the side. Okay, great. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cool, cool. And Peter Parker, maybe there's a thought balloon and Peter Parker's like, but I don't want to be in the bin. You know? Too bad. Yeah. He also co-created Wolverine because he was in the leadership of Marvel. Yeah, I mean, John Romita Sr senior like when we say long time marvel artist

we're talking when marvel was timely comics in like the late 40s and then he came back for he's in the army yep and then he came back for when when timely comics became atlas comics and that's where he worked with stanley for the first time and then he kept me and then he came then he came back again when marvellus became Marvel. And then, yeah, like you said, I think he was on Daredevil for a while. Yeah. And then Steve Ditko left Marvel and left Spider-Man, so he got to doing Spider-Man.

And, yeah, so he would have co-designed Mary Jane Watson, iconic. The Rhino, iconic. Yep. Shocker, iconic. So everybody from that era, the Kingpin. Yep. Who were you saying before? Spider-Man in the bin. Spider kingpin yep who were you saying before spider-man in the bin spider-man in the bit yes spider-man in there and and so there was like there was this era where he had a hand in creating so many of these designs

that we see now that are just sort of you know yeah so like um he's responsible for all the designs they're not doing in the spum universe exactly right sony pictures universe of marvel movies so so he would have he would have he would have designed Wolverine based on like a real, like a little grubby ratty man kind of thing. One of the first like ever pieces of information I ever learned about like the design of characters back in the day was that when Jerry Conway thought of the idea for The Punisher, he sent John Romita Sr. like a little sketch

of that idea. And it was like the black jumpsuit with like a little skull and crossbones in the middle, like Batman size, like the Batman logo. And Romita Sr. was like, cool, but what about this? And then he gave him the giant, like the white skull Punisher logo with the teeth that go into the gun belt and all that sort of stuff. That's way cooler.

Iconic. It's way cooler. Exactly, yeah. I didn't know that. That's super cool. So his son, who's also in comics, John Romita Jr., who you wouldn't know. Yeah, who has a, you know, also iconic but like a very distinctive,

like very distinctive from his father. Yeah. But like he's also been a long-time Spider-Man artist. He's got this sort of super cool kind of blocky style to him. Absolutely. There's more to it than that, but I like to think of it. Oh, that's it. Yeah. Now he said, I say with a heavy heart, my father passed away peacefully in his sleep. He is a legend in the art world and it would be my honor to follow in his footsteps. Please keep your thoughts and condolences here out of respect for my family. He was the greatest man I ever met. So yeah, I I mean, 93 is great, like, obviously, but, you know, what a legend.

Mason, let's move things along to happier news. Okay. The writer's strike is still happening. Yay! Actually, this is bad news. So this is a headline from the Hollywood Reporter who says, Writers strike collateral damage. Janitor layoffs at studio spur demonstration.

I can't believe all these writers fired these janitors. Can you believe that? They did it. Without the writers being in those little rooms, those crowded little rooms. Or working from home. Or working from home. There was no, they didn't make any litter,

so the janitors had no bins to empty, so they were going to get laid off. Yeah. Sorry, writers, you did it. You did this. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. were going to get laid off. Yeah. Sorry, writers, you did it. You did this. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

How's that for a headline? Yeah. Really good stuff. So, you know, so it is ongoing, and this has also led to a number of delays, which we are going to talk about today. Delays today. Yeah, a couple of things have been moved up. So, you know, it's not all bad news.

Is that good? Moved up? You mean closer to now? Closer to now. Okay. Somewhat. Okay, you know, it's not all bad news. Is that good? Moved up. You mean closer to now? Closer to now. Okay. Somewhat. Okay. Here's some Marvel dates.

Captain America Brave New World was May of 2024 and now it's July of 2024. Okay. So that's later. Yes. Good, good, good. That's filmed though or pretty much filmed if it's not already. I think it's done. Thunderbolts was previously July 2024 and now December 2024.

Okay. Blade is never happening. That was supposed to start. Yeah. Just before this all happened. September of 2024 is now February 2025. Okay. We'll see.

Fantastic Four was February 2025 and is now May 2025. There's not a lot of movement there. But Avengers The Kang Dynasty has been bumped a full year from May 2025 to May 2026. Because they've got to fix the entire concept. They've got to fix the concept. I don't think they've – they haven't announced a director yet for that one, have they?

One of them they have. I can't remember. And Secret Wars is also bumped a year to 2027, which is the follow-up. Okay, but Secret Invasion is coming out pretty soon, right? It's like two weeks from now? I'm going to talk about it in what we're reading because I saw one of the episodes. What?

Yeah, that's right. You've been keeping this from me. You've been keeping this under your little hat. Do you want to see it? Your little propeller hat. Do you want to see it? Not really, no. Is it one of those screeners that has –

Yeah, it's got my name across it. You have to watch it on your phone. Yeah. Yeah, great. No, I don't want to watch it? Not really, no. Is it one of those screeners that has... Yeah, it's got my name across it. Yeah, no, I don't like those. You have to watch it on your phone. Yeah. Yeah, great. No, I don't want to watch it like that, no. Cool. I'll wait two weeks.

Yeah. But I'll be mad at you for two weeks. Yeah, you can be mad at me. Okay, great. Sorry, I should have messaged you to let you know, Mason, that I'm watching a bad version of it, an inferior product. You should have just put it on Twitter and then I could have watched it. Oh, yeah, you're right.

I probably should have, yeah. So that's the world of Marvel. They're obviously, they're either waiting to see what's going to shake out also with Kang, with Jonathan Majors, or they're restructuring the entire thing. Yeah, I mean it might become the Doom Dynasty

in six months time. Another guy dynasty. Duck dynasty. But those guys they catch ducks or shoot ducks or whatever. You know who thought Kang was dead? Well, he is. There's another guy though. It's not Kang.

Another guy dynasty. Different guy. It's the you dynasty. We're doing it like that Time magazine, person of the year, and it's got a mirror on the front and it's you. I hated that one. You're the villain now. Didn't they pick the computer once as well?

Probably. They're like, the computer is the person of the year. Well, I disagree, Mason. You know? I didn't get a say in that. Wow, you love computer. Yeah, but I don't want them to be the person of the year. That means they beat me out.

That's true. But you won. I'm not better than a computer. But you won that time. Yeah, I know, but I wanted to win twice. You can still win twice. Can you? I think so.

I'm back in the running. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, as guy, but I wanted to win twice. You can still win twice. Can you? I think so. I'm back in the running. Yeah, great. Yeah, as guy who hates computer. Guy with grudge against computer. You could win that. I love this computer, Mason. Yeah, wow. But I hate the internet.

Wow. Anyway, speaking of, Avatar 3, which was December 20 of 2024, so that was next year, is now going to be December 2025. Okay. Avatar 4 and 5, and now December 2029, which is four years after that. Okay. And December 2031.

Oh, my God. That's not a real date. Also, that's, look, honestly, that's also, I mean, James Cameron has taken a risk there because those dates are after the apocalypse as depicted in the Terminator movies. Oh, my God. So maybe we won't even have an Earth end. That's a good point.

No, they fixed that in the movie, though, didn't they? Yeah, they probably fixed it. Some of the movies they fixed that. Some of the movies they fixed that. I can't remember which one. Also, I'm sure some of these are due to the writer's strike, but I'm sure also some of these are just like. Internals.

Internals, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or they've seen, you know, visual effects visual effects footage and we're going to give these guys another six months. I imagine some of this is like feedback on – Oh, absolutely, yeah. Some of this must be feedback on, especially the Marvel stuff, feedback on the visuals of recent movies and them going maybe we should – Some we can tie like directly to the writer's strike like Thunderbolts

because we've talked about that one before. We don't have a script yet. We don't know what this is about. We don't know who's in this or why. David Harbour, why are you in this? We're interviewing the cast. Oh, money you say? Okay, right.

Makes sense, yeah. Also, oh, you're going to hate this, Untitled Star Wars movie has been pushed from December 2025 to May of 2026, which is the traditional Star Wars date for Solo. Oh, yes. And other Star Wars movies. And second Untitled Star Wars movie, which was. What about second Untitled Star Wars movie?

That's going to come out the same year in December. Very bold of them to just say nothing. We don't even have titles for these, but they're on the slate for sure, and the director's locked in, not fired, and they're definitely coming out. Oh, actually, we delayed them. Yeah. But we don't know specifically who. One of them's probably the

Rey Skywalker movie. Okay. I know you're never going to call her Rey Skywalker, Mason. It's true. But that's happening. She's Rey Sandgrub to me, to me always also there's the thrawn movie which is linked to like the mandalorian averse okay that's probably happening and there's also a james mangold movie but i think that depends on indiana jones absolutely it does and apparently a bunch of critics saw them and they were like it's pretty good maybe so this

week it's pretty good maybe but you hate that don't pretty good maybe. But you hate that, don't you, Mason? No, I want it to be good. Yeah, you say that now. Look at you coming around now that you've heard the positive word about. That's right. Bearing in mind, the ones that just came out don't mean anything because they're from like, you know, they go to the screening and then whatever and Harrison Ford's there.

They get a free popcorn in an Indiana Jones hat. I'm one of those guys. You can't trust me. I know. You've probably seen it already on your phone. Yeah, I did. With your name across it, you know, not telling anybody. Yeah, yeah, I did.

They send you some stale popcorn in an Indiana Jones hat. You've got to whip it out into your mouth. Ooh. So anyways, we'll talk about, I don't know, those when they come out. Also, when I said, oh, they're probably pushing them back for visual effects reasons, that's just wishful thinking on my part. They're probably not going to change anything. They probably don't care, yeah.

Also, you can't trust the Cairns reviews either because they're all snooty French people. That's true. Who can you trust? Yourself and nobody else. Look in the mirror and say, I trust you, but that's it. That's right. That's all.

And that weird monster that appears behind you, like Patrick, but that's it. That's right. That's all. And that weird monster that appears behind you, like Patrick Wilson in Insidious. That's right. You can trust that guy. Yeah, he's fine. He's all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He'll mind your kids.

He doesn't mind. Isn't Patrick Wilson directing the next one of those ones? Yeah, there's a new one coming out. Yeah, Insidious Inception or whatever it's called. Yeah, that's exactly right, yeah. I can't remember which. That's not the one where they're ghost hunters, is it? No, that's the other one.

It's very confusing to me at least because he's in two horror franchises. And I've never seen any of them. And he's in Moonfall. Yeah. And I think they're all set in the same universe. And all three of those characters are going to meet, I think, in maybe the final one. That'd be great.

Patrick Dynasty. Whoa. He's the other one. Patrick Wars. Whoa. Yeah, Infinity Patrick. He could be the guy. Yeah, he could be the guy. Three Patrick Wilsons. Whoa. Patrick Wars. Whoa. Yeah, Infinity Patrick. He could be the guy. Yeah.

He could be the guy. Three Patrick Wilsons. Yeah. Here's the good news, though. Deadpool 3 has been moved up from November of 2024 to May. They need someone to fill the gap and that's currently filming. So it's that. Is that a good sign, though?

Yep. A character that famously requires a lot of improv and funny bits thought of on the day. They're just being like, yeah, give it a few fewer months. Yes. Okay, great. That's good news. Okay.

Yeah. The other thing is Fede Alvarez's Alien movie, which is apparently unconnected from all the other ones, has the date of August of 2024. Okay. So that's – I think they're doing that either in like a Prey style. Oh, okay. Separate. Same thing, whatever, which is good, I think they're doing that, they're doing like a Prey style separate same thing, whatever,

which is good, I think, to do it that way. And also Moana, but not Moana that already came out and not the sequel to Moana. The live action one? Moana again. That was. Wait, which one is this? Is this the live action one?

With The Rock maybe. Yes. That was July 2nd, 2025. Now it's June 27th, 2025. I guess you don't need to rewrite that. No. You just have the old script and you make it longer somehow. Yeah.

You put some new songs in that people don't like. Yeah. You go for it. So that's moved up six days or whatever. Has The Rock ever done a song? I guess he's in. I mean, he sings in Moana. I haven't seen that.

Yeah. It's a great movie, genuinely. He's really good in it. Yeah. So there you go. Oh, I forgot this good news. Oh, no. What is this?

El Muerto apparently begins production on August 7th of this year. No, it doesn't. No, I've got it here, Mason. I'll believe it when I see it. I saw the actual document. There's a literal document. I'll believe it when I see the one production still of whoever's playing Bad Bunny running through the forest or whatever.

Oh, apparently Deadpool 3 is like the No Way Home with like X-Men. So they're all the ones from the movies and they got like costumes and whatever. Wow. Are people going to be sick of multiverses by the time that comes out? I doubt it. I think we're all having a good time with that at the moment. I think we're all having a good time with it. Yeah.

And speaking of multiverses and Spam, Where does Kraven exist in the Spum? Is he in the Venomverse? I don't know, James But it might have something to do with Spider-Man It probably has something to do with Spider-Man Very good I was going to say He looks like he's in a boring normal universe

From that leaked image we got No, he doesn't, James He looks like he's an extra in Hercules The Legendary Journeys He does, doesn't he? Or possibly Xena Warrior Princess Yes, yes, yes So he's wearing a leather vest

He's patented a leather vest and he's doing a pose. He's doing somewhat of a pose. He's looking off into the middle distance. He's like, what's that? Is that the lion I'm going to have to kill because it's a possessed lion and I wouldn't kill it normally but it's a possessed lion. I'm going to kill that lion and then I've earned my big lion vest. I'm going to get it at the end and wear it for two seconds.

Do you think that's what's going to happen? Yeah. Cool. Is it a possessed lion in the comic? No, but they're going to get it at the end and wear it for two seconds. Do you think that's what's going to happen? Yeah. Cool. Is it a possessed lion in the comic? No, but they're going to have to justify him killing a lion. He's Craven the animal lover. I think his dad, played by Russell Crowe, is original Craven or whatever, original recipe Craven.

Yeah. Original Craven. Russell Crowe will probably. Russell Crowe doesn't do muscles anymore, so he'll just be wearing like big coat, and I respect that. And his skirt from Thor Love and Thunder. I saw that. What do you mean?

I went to ACME in Melbourne with my kids. Oh, because there's a costume. Yeah, I didn't even realize it was there, because there's like a cool kind of you go through the history of film and whatever, and then it's just like, here's some Thor Love and Thunder costumes, and I'm like, wow. Great movie. That's right.

So that's what I said. I said it out loud. They left them here. They finished filming and everybody doffed their costumes and they left. Yep. They got in a helicopter and they flew away. So we've reconstructed them as best we can. Some of them had mud on them.

Yep. Wow. Is there? Because a lot of, at least some of those costumes are mostly CGI? Yeah, no, they're all physically did they did was there that one that looks really good that he replaces after five minutes with the fur and the no they got his shiny golden blue one yeah i thought i mean it might have been there to be honest i didn't hang around you're blinded by the shiny golden blue exactly yeah so there you go also you probably saw this and this is according to variety

and just general news i guess the incredible hulk is now on disney plus so apparently the rights have reverted uh of that movie which came out in 2009 oh yes back to disney and that's why it's there also the the hulk in the other hulk just that movie or the hulk we don't know at least that movie yes okay because for people who don't know it's partially owned by the hulk as a character is partially owned by Universal, man. Distribution-wise. Yeah, right, which is why the Hulk, which is why Marvel can't make a Hulk solo movie anymore.

Yes. Which is why he was in Ragnarok. And She-Hulk and whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. And look, if you want to learn more about that, do your own research. Listen to our spin-off podcast, I was going to say.

Oh, What's Up with the Hulk or whatever. Yeah, we don't or whatever We don't know We don't know for sure I mean, if somebody could let us know It's just us in a room God damn We don't know anything

about this Isn't there somebody that we could reach out to? But we don't have anyone We don't have anyone Wow Maybe they'd change Secret Wars to Planet Hulk

or something I don't know They could Another guy Another guy's here. They could bring in the Beyonder who's that cosmic guy. Didn't they have him? Was he in Love and Thunder?

No, that's Eternity. Oh, no, that's Eternity. I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm sorry to all you big Eternity heads out there. That's right. You turn heads. All the turn heads out there.

Sorry. Sorry, everybody. Sorry. Yeah, there's still a raft of cosmic characters they could just be like, yeah, whatever. Yeah, cool, man. Christopher Nolan has apparently received. That's it.

Okay. Christopher Nolan? Yeah. You agree? Yeah. Yeah. He's received a new scarf from his wife for his birthday, and he's loving it.

He absolutely is. Darling, this is simply divine. Do you reckon he gets given scarves? It's like, another scarf. I don't even like scarves. It's like a dad getting a tie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like a kid saying they like horses and their auntie gives them a horse.

A horse? Oh, no, a horse. A horse every year. That's right. I was going to correct myself, but no, a horse every year. They're like, we live in an apartment. Stop giving us horses. Every year.

He's received a seven-figure check as a sign of good faith from Warner Brothers. Don't cash that for a few years. Don't cash that until they're out of their various woes. Do you reckon they told him that? They were like, listen, this will be good in a few years. Just give me a couple of years. We're going to wait for the DCU.

Yeah, yeah. Don't worry. We've got a lot of money coming in. Don't worry, but if you could. Here's my wedding ring. You hang on to that. If I'm not good at it, you can sell it. So their partnership with Warner Brothers started in 2003

and went right up to Tenet, but, of course, that fractured and fell apart because in 2020 or whatever it was, they put all their – or 21? I don't know. They put all their movies on. It's irrelevant and we're not going to think about it anymore. They put all their movies on streaming day and date because of the pandemic and he went, well, that's uncouth and rude.

That's right. He threw his scarf over his shoulder and he waltzed out of the office. Yes, I bid you adieu. Yeah. Normally I wouldn't lower myself to saying adieu. So would he? Maybe. Yeah, no, I think he would myself to saying adieu. Or would he? Maybe. Yeah, no, I think he would speak French casually.

Yeah. So he went to, I want to say Paramount, but it might not be. He went somewhere else for Oppenheimer. And so Warner Brothers have been trying to lure him back. So this seven-figure royalty check. They've got a scarf and a box with a stick. And they're going to get him. Apparently.

Paisley scarf, you say? No, I appear to be trapped. The bonus was made in good faith after Tenet underperformed at the box office during its September 2020 release. Okay. So a seven-figure check to him personally. Yeah. Does that make up to him the fact that his movie probably didn't do as well

at the box office? No, I think they just want him to come back. Yeah, no, but I'm saying how does he feel about that, I wonder? Oh, I don't know. It's a great question. He probably got a million bucks. He doesn't care, yeah. Apparently he's also done a bunch of the Oppenheimer post-production work

on the Warner Brothers lot. Okay. So that says something, if not nothing. Yeah. So that's exciting, don't you think? Maybe he just wants to blow up a bunch of stuff on the Warner Brothers lot. That's cool. Yeah.

He wants to blow up one of those Warner Brothers merch stores. He wants to see a bunch of Tasmanian devil boxer shorts fly up in the wind. They said Gotham Knights is cancelled. Yeah. We weren't sure whether it was going to be Superman and Lois or Gotham Knights. But that's been renewed. Superman and Lois, it's back.

Well, it's been renewed for season four and it's probably the final season, but several of the actors are not returning as season regulars, including the characters of Lionel Lane. Superman. Superman, Henry Irons, General Sam Lane. Oh, Henry Irons is not coming back. That's a shame.

Yeah, he was good. I should go back to that show that I like. He was good. So General Lane, how are they going to? I don't know. I mean, they say series regulars, so. Oh, okay, there'll be a case for it. It sounds like it's probably cost cutting, I assume.

It's probably Costco's fault. Typical. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Thanks, Riders, as well, by the way. That's right. Thanks, Riders and Costco.

It's your $1 hot dogs that have done this, Costco, somehow. Well, and also, I mean, my one critique of Superman and Lois is they haven't put Henry Irons in, like, the proper steel costume. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. I want to say, because he's always had that sort of mech battle suit kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, but I want to see him in the cape with a riveted S on the front. I think that would be cool.

That would be riveting. And then he could just be like, he doesn't need a helmet. He's got a – yes, okay. Oh, I like it. Thank you. Okay, that's good. Go on then. And then he could – maybe he doesn't have to wear the helmet.

He's got a force field or whatever. That would be riveting. Or he doesn't. That would be riveting. Or he doesn't. Thanks, Clark. This is riveting. So yeah, there you go.

Okay. Well, goodbye, Gotham Knights. We hardly knew you. Yeah. And your protagonist, Chad Kroghly, whatever his name is. Apparently, like, it did okay. Like, people were watching it. Yeah.

But, again, they're gutting the CW to turn it into Milf Island or whatever they're doing. They are doing that, yes. And the last bit of news, but this is going to go more into our review of The Flash. Andy Muschietti directed The Flash is going to be, it's confirmed that he's directing Batman, The Brave and The Bold, which is a Tim Drake Batman story, presumably set in the daytime.

Wait, so it's a Batman and Robin story? Not Tim Drake, Batman and Damian Wayne. Oh, okay, Batman and Son story. Okay, that's cool. So, yeah, that could be fun. But I think that we'll get into The Flash and then we'll talk about that, don't you think? Yes.

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Register today at sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. The Flash, everybody. Oh, yeah. On a budget of about $220 million. Probably more. Probably more. Way more.

Things as they announced in this iteration in like 2014 maybe. That sounds about right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So let's say in the past three to four years, however long it took to make this, it's about $220 million and then additional marketing budgets and paying Tom Cruise to say things about your movie or whatever's happening.

I don't know. Box office numbers are, they're not great. They're okay, but something like this, you want it to be bigger. So it's going to have about a 70 million US opening. Mystifying. Yeah. That's, you mean as in you don't know? I don't know.

That's bad-ish for a blockbuster, right? For like a blockbuster with like Batman and The Flash and Supergirl and whatever. Yeah. You want it to be bigger than that. That's true. But that being said, at time of recording, there's no like official numbers for this. So we'll just wait and see. Yeah, you want it to be bigger than that. That's true. But that being said, at time of recording there's no, like, official numbers for this, so we'll just wait and see. So, Mason, it's been 10 years after Man of Steel for us

and also maybe in the movie. That's true. That's crazy. We've come to the end of the DC Extended Universe, which is not its name. The Snyderverse, I don't know. Yeah. This is officially the end.

What do you think the story was? Oh, all right. So, James, a young hero makes a choice and he brings with it the terrors of the multiverse. But enough about Spider-Man No Way Home. Whoa. But it's the same plot but it's The Flash. Yeah.

Yeah. And? I liked it. Okay. I'll say this, Mason. Yes. What a hollow and ghoulish product. The whole thing, you think?

Just what a fucking nightmare. Yuck. That's what I say, Mason, to this movie. What I say is there's a lot working against this movie. Yeah, including all the things in it. Both the things in the movie and also everything surrounding the movie in the real world. Here's a few examples. Sure.

Some of the visual effects shots look like a PS3 game yeah and i think andy machete has said well some of those are deliberate i we'll talk about it because a lot of those are in spoilers two it's multiversal and this is like the in the last two years how many multiverse product but like projects have there been four five including one last week or whenever that whenever whenever across the spider verseVerse came out. Multiverse of Madness, No Way Home, as we mentioned. Also, they're all better than this. I see.

Yeah. Here's another thing, working against it. All the weird out-of-context clips that leaked on social media and all the spoilers, like of cameos and stuff that people were like. Some of them they just revealed also. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like as part of marketing. The thing you mentioned, the universe is essentially over,

or is it? It is, but it isn't. It's also kind of vague and up in the air. How many of these characters are coming back? How many of these actors are coming back? And also Ezra Miller is a maniac on a crime spree. They've been doing this for years. Maybe DC is funding that, which has added to the budget.

And that definitely didn't help for me watching this movie scenes as there's two of them the entire time. Oh, yes. Folks, Ezra Miller is in 95% of the scenes of this movie. Yep. You can see why they didn't scrap it or whatever. The 5% of the scenes that they're not in are made up for the fact that in most of the scenes they are in it twice.

So if the idea of ezra miller as a human being makes your skin crawl yeah you shouldn't see this movie i mean just the idea that and this is another thing that i think for me is working against it which isn't an in universe thing that i just find absolutely just baffling to me is that warner brothers never came out and said literally fucking anything or if they did did, it was vague and like, well, you know, it's important for mental health and whatever. There wasn't a moment three or four years ago or whatever before they filmed this movie when there's footage of a woman being like

choked to the ground. And that's one of the things that is confirmed. There's a bunch of stuff that hasn't been. And they've just not said anything. Even to come out and go, we don't condone that and we want them to be better and, look, we have faith in this movie and the people that are in it and we're moving forward. Even that, but just nothing? Yeah.

Are you fucking kidding me? Let's get Stephen King to say this is the best movie he's ever seen. Yeah. Here's the thing, right? Yeah. So James Gunn said, because he said that he loved it, right? Which to me is baffling. Interesting.

Because I really, I trust his judgment in movies and I love his movies. I'll tell you why I think he said that. I think I know why too. One, because he's the boss of the DCU and he has to say it at this point. He wouldn't be like, no, it's actually bad now that I think about it. Yeah. But it's not my fault because I didn't have anything to do with it. I was being fired from something else at the time.

Maybe like, I feel like there is some threads in this m product which have been worked in it has an emotional core to it and i think i think whether you think whether whether that works or not for you no and it doesn't for you uh that is what james gunn is all about i think yeah and i think he's probably and and he he enjoys sort off-kilter stuff with an emotional core. Yeah. And that's kind of what this is. There's a lot of that in this, yeah. And I think especially if he is the guy who has to – he's the Kevin Feige now of this.

He's going to have to say that he – but I can understand his thought process of looking at this thing. And even if he didn't like it, going, what can I salvage out of this? What can I look – I can look at this and go, what do I – what out of this? What can I look? I can look at this and go, what do I, what could I like about this? And here it is. Sure. I totally get that. Also, I know that he saw this a year ago.

And if I saw this a year ago, I would watch this and go, this is clearly unfinished. Right. But I get it. I get what you're going for. And if you put a number of steps in place to just visually improve this movie, this is like a 40% better movie because the stuff that they do in it with those visuals has just made my fucking soul hurt, Mason. Do you mean like the homages? Yeah, but I'm saying do you mean from just a visual perspective

or do you mean like ethically? Both. All of it. All of it. Yeah. So I think, yeah, a year ago this is fine as a rough cut of a movie. Okay. So they think they should have worked on it more.

Maybe. Give it another ten years. But since then also there's clearly been like obvious edits and face replacement and line replacement and there's scenes with Ezra Miller where, okay, so when there's two Ezra Millers in this movie, one of them has a fake face and it's really noticeable. And I know not everybody's affected by this,

but every time there was two of them on screen and they're in the same shot, I would say 95% of the time, one of them is not there. And I know what they've done. They've filmed with somebody else as a stand-in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they've CGI'd the face on. Like I know that, but I feel like there would have been a way to do this that it doesn't look just horrendous.

To Ezra Miller filming it twice, for example. Yeah, but I mean, I understand when you've got like camera movements, like that is a difficult thing to do and and it's great. It's complicated. I get why they did it this way, but it does not look good to me. Interesting. Like, it was really baffling and upsetting, and sometimes they'd swap, so the one that was up close was the upsetting one.

There is also, just plot-wise, there's an element of the characters switching costumes as well. Yeah. So if you're initially confused by who is who, at one point the second barry allen flash is suddenly wearing the costume of the prime barry allen yeah and i'm sure a lot of people like i don't i've lost it i've lost it now i don't know which is which anymore because their distinguishing feature is their hair yeah yeah because and once they're in costume it's like okay i mean i didn't find that like i was always able to kind

of like oh look at this guy. I know. Mr. Observer over here. Mr. Observer over here, yeah. But I just, I think also, look, in terms of Andy Muschietti as a director, I like his movies. I like the It movies. The second one less so, but the first one I really, really like.

But I also think this is probably a credit to him for putting it together even this much. I feel like this is a Blade III situation. Yeah, right. Where every component of this movie is bad. And yet it is, there are compelling elements to this narrative. Compelling elements. Compelling elements.

And there are good performances and there are even like good cameos and things in it and good little moments that not just Michael Keaton go, remember the time I said this thing or whatever. I think there are actual moments in this. You know what? I'll give this movie credit for. I like the jet. The bit in the middle of the jet spins. That's the thing I like.

I didn't like that. Anyway, what I enjoyed about this is that without comparing it too much to anything else that came before that is quite similar, Spider-Man No Way Home, they at the very least gave that character, the Keaton's Batman, like somewhat of an evolution of the character. They didn't just go, oh, this character's trapped trapped in amber he didn't do anything since 1992 or whatever yeah and what and i i saw some he's in a cupboard yeah that's right he was hiding in a cupboard for 30 years if you haven't seen it you think i'm joking i'm not joking there's a there's a i will do big spoilers spoilers but i was gonna say there's a there's an element i saw on twitter

some people saying, well, he doesn't really share that many elements with the Batman from his previous movies, but there is a moment in it where you see him. It's after one of their battles, and he's, like, stitching one of his wounds with a fish hook. Like, he's fishing with a bat, and he looks at himself in the mirror, and he goes like, he-he-he. And it's like that is the exact look that he gave that time

that he stuffed a bomb down a clown's pants and kicked him into a storm drain and he exploded like that psychopath, that particular Keaton Batman psychopath. And I'm like, no, it's good to see that go back. I agree. And I think also, if you're like, this isn't, this doesn't feel like the Keaton, the original Keaton one, which I think it does. It's technically not him. It is. Yeah, you're right. I mean, it's pretty much him, but it's the convergence of timelines, and I explain it with spaghetti, means that.

And if you think we're joking, we're not. It's after he comes out of the cupboard. This is a version of that Batman who's pretty much the same, but he's always existed in this universe, as opposed to the Ben Affleck Batman who has a weird bulldog cow. I quite liked it. I liked it too.

Yeah. Just a real gruff squish. Here's the thing that I liked about this movie is I thought that there is some quite good just superheroes teaming up stuff. Towards the start especially. I reckon less towards the end, I think, which is the pointy end where it maybe should be better. But I think towards the start we see like the flat, like,

because, you know, we've got the Ben Affleck Batman and he's off doing big-time crime fighting. And I like the idea that he's just sent, he's sending the Flash off as like this janitor to do stuff, to sort of do. To lock down a hospital. Yeah, to do the cleanup. I thought that was fun. But then they do some, you know, do some little thing.

I thought that was pretty good. Yeah. And I love, and again, we talk about this all the time, but it's a shame that Ben Affleck Batman never really got a proper solo Batman movie. Because he's good. He is good. And I think he's, you know, this new look he has,

he'll never have again because we'll never see him again. Oh, maybe. The blue-gray suit. Who knows? So I don't think in a movie of this budget I've ever seen worse-looking CGI people in anything. Like this is – and this is maybe – maybe it's a slightly unfair comparison, but this is some, like, Scorpion King shit.

Oh, I know. I saw that comparison on Twitter earlier. Like, my goodness. And here's a quote from Andy Muschietti who says that. Sorry. No. Sorry. He says because a lot of.

Oh, he said sorry. A lot of the times when you see the CGI people, and not always, but because there's a second Ezra Miller running around this movie who looks horrendous. But again, not everybody. Not that there's a second Ezra Miller. Not everybody movie who looks horrendous. Not that there's a second Ezra Miller. Not everybody noticed or was bothered by that, which is fine. He said that the idea, of course, is that we are in the perspective of the Flash.

Everything is distorted in terms of light and textures. We've entered this water world, which is basically being in Barry's POV. It was part of the design, so if it looks a little weird to you, that was intended. I don't believe you. The design choice was, let's make this look like the Polar Express. I do not

believe you. And even with, look, you ran out of time. You ran out of money. Totally. That can happen. I would 100% accept that. They gave that check to Christopher Nolan, so they ran out of money. You might be right, yeah. But just, and if you're saying it's stylized, and I know he's protecting his movie, I accept that. They gave that check to Christopher Nolan so they ran out of money. You might be right, yeah. But just, and if you're saying it's stylised,

and I know he's protecting his movie, I get that. If you're saying it's stylised, you don't want to stylise it in a way that's not this. If you were going to make a deliberate stylistic choice, you might be like, okay, well, these faces look like this, but they're sort of, they've been flashified. They've got lightning around them or something like that. Yeah, there's a moment when he first travels through time and you see all the time kind of rolls back in kind of a bubble.

Yeah, they've invented a sort of a new time travel mechanic. And I don't hate the idea of that, and it's an interesting kind of visual. I liked it. To me, it felt like a throwback to your Crisis on Infinite Earths. Sure. Famously a storyline that we both love. That's right.

In the comic books. Yeah. But within that you pass like events from the DCEU that have happened. Like you see like Captain Boomerang. You see a bunch of others. I can't remember whatever. Just Captain Boomerang. Yeah, well like Superman's in there and whatever.

And they're very CGI. And that I'm like, no. But it was fine because they're kind of still frames and you're passing them. But when you're seeing the movie and doing things. CGI Ron Livingston, for example. Yeah, exactly. I guess he's from a different universe than Billy Crudup or whatever.

But let's talk about that because there's emotional stakes in this movie. Yes. And I don't know whether it is the Ezra Miller thing, but I just didn't feel a single thing. So the actual plot is that. It's The Flash Season 1. It is The Flash Season 1. But if you haven't even seen The Flash Season 1 on the CW,

probably available now on CW Now app or something. Yeah. The Flash's mother was killed when he was a child. By who? Well, I was going to say, that's probably for spoilers. Yeah, it is. And so now he has his powers. He's like, well, what if I can go back in time?

He discovers he can go back in time. He's like, well, what if I just change the little thing and prevented my mother from being killed? Oh, and his father is on the hook for the murder because everybody thinks he did it. And then my mother will still be alive. But in doing that, his mother is alive, but it's altered the trajectory of the world.

And so there are no superheroes. And General Zod is coming to destroy the world. And he's like, what am I going to do? No time for brunch. No time for brunch. That's right. I'm going to have to stop a very disinterested Michael Shannon. That's right.

You probably saw the headlines this week that was just like, I didn't like making this. It was boring. Anyway, go on. And when he said, yeah, I was in there for two weeks, again, I think he was in there for less than two weeks. Yeah, there's some moments where, yeah, he's probably, I mean, he's in it. Yes, his head's in it.

There's very little of, he's always got the shield up as well, which I don't know whether he's covering, like, if they needed to CGI him at certain points. Yeah, right, right, right. But, you know, that weird holograph shield that he's got on. Yeah. And Fiora is maybe in this, that actor. I think she is, yeah.

I think so. But who's to say? But were they ever in the same room? Absolutely not. But, yeah, so obviously the emotional stake is, you know, he's got what he wants. His mother's back. Yeah.

And a version of him has had, you know, the last decade with her. Yeah. But if this universe, you know, he's got to find a way to save this universe from being destroyed but also. Michael Keaton's here. Also Michael Keaton's here. He's in a cupboard the whole time. But do you, you know, but is that sacrifice going to involve, you know, his mother dying again?

Yeah. And you didn't believe in any of that? No. I mean, I. I liked her. Yeah, I thought she was good. And Ron Livingston I like all the time. Again, I don't know whether this is like a real world,

it's like a Jared Leto thing where it's just like, no, I will not. And because I think also Ezra Miller's performance in this is probably good. Like genuine. I mean, being two of you is hard and whatever. Like, it's probably good. Yeah, yeah. Michael Keaton knows. He was in Multiplicity.

That's right. He would know, wouldn't he? Yeah. Here's the other thing, right? Go on. There's an action sequence at the start. Yes. Where the Flash saves a bunch of babies, and it's kind of a comical kind of classical

Looney Tunes kind of situation. Yes, uh-huh. And I think that's a fun idea. I thought it was a fun idea, too. But are those horrible babies, is that also stylised? I guess they're in the Speed Force. Yeah. Horrible.

Horrible to look at. Horrible looking dog. Just horrible. Yeah, look, I like the sequence and like you said. I also thought that, oh, this is the bad bit people were talking about. That's nowhere near the worst looking thing in this movie. Yeah, yeah. If people haven't seen it and they're not planning on seeing it,

you might have seen a leaked piece of footage on twitter it looks like the flash is putting a baby in a microwave uh and he's he's that's actually reversed footage he's taking a baby out of a microwave that he earlier put in a microwave so but i like the sequence i thought it was there's a there's a fun joke uh because they've added the mechanic which was never really in the previous movies, where he needs energy to operate. Yeah. And he's got a little meter on his suit. Calories.

Which I think, you know, it's sort of, I think that's useful because it takes out of the idea of he can do anything forever and, you know, he has ultimate power because he can move at the speed of light, et cetera. Apparently the original version of this, which was the guys who made Dungeons and Dragons, a lot of it was going to be focused around that element of it. But there's a funny misdirect joke, which to me felt very much, if you remember that

Simpsons episode where Homer's like, these wieners will give me the strength I need. He's running from the dogs. Yeah, he's running from the dogs. I thought that was a fun misdirect. I thought that was a good bit, but you're absolutely right. The babies never look like real babies at any point. No. So I think, I don't know, for whatever whatever reason i was willing to push through that a lot of the cgi in

this is bad yeah so until the people same for that i was like okay whatever really you know because i also thought the rest of the action i thought the concept was good in that that sequence i think the concept for most of this is good yeah that's the thing about it and i think yeah i guess it's like it felt to me like, again, I felt the same way with Quantumania where it's like the idea of picking up a comic book. If all this was in a comic book, like a single issue, I picked it up, I don't know what's going on, I just open it up, and I go,

oh, Flash is going to save all these babies in his door. Oh, that's a bit of fun kind of thing. And sometimes that works for people in real life and sometimes it doesn't, I guess. And for you, absolutely not. Absolutely not, yeah, a bit of fun kind of thing. And sometimes that works for people in real life and sometimes it doesn't, I guess. And for you, absolutely not. Absolutely not, yeah, for most of it. I also think the running is probably not better than what's been done in the CW.

But I also think with something like the running and if you're doing Flashpoint and the mother's dying and whatever, whatever, how do you even distinguish that from something that's been, like it's just the story that you're doing. And so the running is like, it's just the story that you're doing. Yeah. And like, so the running is like, it's all right, I guess, you know? Uh-huh.

But I think we're at the point where we've seen so much fast comic book stuff. Uh-huh. Like we've seen it slow-mo, we've seen it super fast, we've seen various coloured lightnings and smokes when people are moving about. That's right. So it's not interesting, really. There's not an interesting way to do that at this point.

Maybe the bit where their feet went together. Oh, yeah. When they fought in that big grey field. Yeah, what I appreciated as well. Which I loved. Yeah, I know. We know you loved it. I guess what I did appreciate is that we saw the distinction

between the Barry Allen of now and the Barry Allen of back then, and there's sort of an acknowledgement that the present day one is less annoying than the original version. I like the fact that he's better at running. Yeah. I don't know. That is good. The problem there, of course, is that, and it's a problem with a lot of superhero movies, but it feels very prominent in this,

is that we've had an evolution of the character, but we didn't see the evolution. Like he was a goof in Justice League. Which one? Both. More 2017. More 2017. So I think.

But then in the present day one, it's clearly he's like he's better at superheroing and, you know, he's competent and he knows what he's doing. And this Barry Allen is good enough at superheroing that he can talk to his previous version and go, he's how you do this what he's doing. And this Barry Allen is good enough at superheroing that he can talk to his previous version and go, here's how you do this and here's how you do this and here's how you phase and you just have to save one person and blah, blah, blah.

But we never saw that. There's a big gap where he clearly learned to do all that. And in an ideal world, we would maybe get another movie or something that fills in that time, but we're never going to get that, obviously. This has jumped a flashpoint. Just jumped a flashpoint. And that's another problem is, of course,

that there's more than one Flash story. Yeah. I mean, name another one, but yeah. No, you're right. Of course there is. Yeah, but, you know, the idea that they've done this so many times, they've done it in animated, they've done it on the TV series, and it's just another kind of, well, it's an epic multiverse and the whole everything's at stake here kind of thing.

And boy, was it. Sure was. But also it was more like this particular world is at stake. Yeah, yeah. And who cares? That was another thing because about this world and they're like, well, Flash, why would you say this particular world? And he's like, well, my mother's here or whatever.

But I'm also like, yeah, why would you, this one? Who cares? Yeah. A billion of these. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know. I mean, I guess this is the only one that looks slightly real. So here's something I like. Go on.

Michael Keaton, there's a moment where they get on a little elevator platform and he's to escape and he pulls that little tape measure. Yeah. And it's like that bit with Vicky Vale when he's like, how much do you weigh or whatever. It's like that. It's just Batman just doing some little on the fly calculations. He's got all his technologies from the 80s, which I really appreciate.

That was great. And there's another moment where a guy walks out in front of him like a Russian thug and Batman goes to make him flinch. Yeah. Batman does like a, like he's got a, that I genuinely thought was great. Really, really good. But I also, I don't know whether I like this or not, but I don't know.

Batman, this Batman cannot move like this. Right. Yeah, yeah. But whatever. That's comic book stuff. They sort of lampshade it because there's a line in it where he's, there's a scene in the trailer where he leaps down and he does some very Ben Affleck Batman, like, leaping about and grabbing a guy on a grappling hook

and flipping him into the air and dropping him on the ground and then beating up a bunch of guys. And there's a moment where he's like, oh, this is going to hurt. Like, he clearly knows that this is, he doesn't have a lot of this in him yeah i think which i like quite a lot yeah okay again the the batman elements are not the no the batman elements are not the problem with this movie there's no problems in this movie just kidding there's a bunch um also also and here's the thing that i don't like about this this absolutely puts an end to the idea that there might one day be a Batman Beyond movie

where there's a young protege of Batman being the new Batman and Bruce Wayne is in it because they've just done all these beats with Michael Keaton. Yeah, exactly. I think there's a chance that they could make that movie. Right. I mean, I guess there might have been elements of that even in the Batgirl movie, which he was in, which is gone. Yeah, that's true.

But yeah, just the fact that they put him in this, like if they brought him back and went and now he's future Batman, it's like doing another Terminator. It's like this is the sixth Terminator 3 movie that you've made. Also, I don't think he wants to. No, he probably wouldn't. Keaton is having more fun than I thought he would be based on the trailers.

Yeah. Like he looks kind of like he's phoning it in in some of the trailers, but in this it feels like, you know. When you get outside of the let's get nuts and whatever, he's trying. Yes, that's true, yes. And that's all we can hope for for veteran actors who are in the movie Multiplicity. And we saw his car and that's it.

That's true. Would have been nice to, you know, drive the car. Spoilers if you wanted to see the car drive. I also thought. Spoilers on the car. Sasha Kaye was a really good super girl. We've learned her name's pronounced like that, by the way. Yes.

But it's not in it enough, I feel like. Like the suit looks great. Yeah. Like the rivalry that's set up between her and Zod I liked and the reason that they're going head to head I thought was good. She looks convincing, a super girl. I think it's a bit rushed in terms of like discovering her and then that turnaround and then her having a handle on the powers

and all of that. That timeline doesn't really work, I guess, but she's good. And I think she would be good in that Supergirl movie that they're making. I think you could easily put her in and she'd probably do a good job. For sure. I don't know whether they're going to, but I wouldn't mind. Yeah. Is all I'm saying.

What else can we talk about that's non-spoiler in this movie? I like the flash suit. I think it's pretty good. I do as well, yeah. Yeah. And I like it. I wasn't sure whether I'd like the piping that kind of lights up, but that's good. I also think it's not a terrible idea to change the Flashpoint comic in terms of like

in the comic it's Thomas Wayne so you'd get, because Thomas Wayne is in Batman v Superman. So you'd get Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Yeah. Would I like to see that movie? Probably. Yeah. And that's got an interesting, because it's got like the Atlanteans

versus the Amazons. So it's Wonder Woman versus Aquaman. Yeah. That whole concept. But Jeffrey Dean Morgan as a new Batman would be thrilling to some people, like comic book readers. Yeah. But it wouldn't be – it's not a draw for people who remember the 80s

and 90s Keaton Batman. But I also don't think that Keaton is a draw at this point because it's people our age and older, really, or if you're fans of this stuff. Yeah, yeah. And I think it could be the same problem with Indiana Jones. And if you look at, like, the numbers for the weekend, it's not like this got a huge boost because of Keaton.

I think you're right, and I think they were probably hoping for something akin to a Spider-Man. Yeah, definitely. The problem there, of course, is that. That movie's pretty relatively new. Like, the last Spider-Man, Tobey Maguire one was, like, 2007. Exactly. People like Garfield and Tobey Maguire, like they, Garfield.

Garfield's still popular as well. Yeah, yeah. But he hates Mondays. But also Andrew Garfield is still popular. Oh, he's popular too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I think maybe what they were going for here,

they may have left it too late to kind of cash in on. Yeah, like those two are still in the zeitgeist and people still watch those. And some of the cameos I feel that they put in this, which we talk about in spoilers, if you don't know that, you'd be like, that's, it'd be weird. Like, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But see, that's the thing. I think if you like this movie more, I think some of those cameos, see, some of the cameos I liked and some of them I'm like, some cameos I liked, some I were indifferent to. One in particular I'm like, oh, that's awful. You shouldn't have put that in. It's probably not the one you think, but it's the other one you think. Maybe.

But they all look bad. They do all look bad. But I think there is one cameo in there, but I think if you like this movie more, if the visual effects were better, there was no Ezra Miller in it. Yeah. You know, all the external factors. I think you might have seen that one particular cameo and gone, ah, a bit of fun reference.

Fun reference for the people who remember that story. Yeah, you might be right. I also think genuinely like it being 10 years of this universe and the Snyderverse. Yeah. Like tying it back to like tying Flashpoint to Man of Steel, I think that's a good idea. Yeah.

I think you're staying within this timeline if you've been following it. A lot of this is kind of like a reward for keeping up. Yes, that's right. You know Ben Affleck and you know this and that. Except the Snyderverse fans hate it apparently. So they're taking that reward and they're spitting it in everyone's face. Yep. Yeah.

Yeah, so there you go. Anyways, before we do spoilers, best worst movie ever. Look, I'm going to say with all the bunch of caveats that I said, I'm going to say best movie ever. Had a pretty fun time at the movies. Yeah, there you go. I'm going to say bad. Whoa.

I did not like this, despite a lot of the elements in it I did enjoy. But just, like, it got worse for me as it went. Like, it just kind of, like, piled on top of things I didn't like. Until the end where it just culminated in some of the worst stuff I've ever seen. So that's why the cameo specifically. So you're going to say worst movie ever? No, Mason, I loved it.

It was really good. Ah, now it's canon. Two best movies ever. Okay, so now we're in spoilers. Okay, so. James, you have to say it. What? Whether it's the best movie ever.

No, it's the worst movie ever. Okay, there we go, finally. Yeah. All right, so we're in spoilers. James, you have to say it. What? Whether it's the best movie ever. No, it's the worst movie ever. Okay, there we go, finally. Yeah. All right, so we're in spoilers. Big time spoiler time, folks. Time for spoilers. What's your first spoiler? My first spoiler is that nobody cares about this,

but they save Barry Allen's father from prison by making him look up when he's in the supermarket so you catch his face on the security footage. So that means it's proved that he didn't kill his mother because he was at the supermarket. But by the time Barry Allen runs downstairs, he sees his father holding a knife in his mother and the mother is maybe just freshly dead, if not a little bit alive.

So he could have got home from the shops and stabbed her. Exactly right. And there's no resolution. Who did it? So Barry Allen's father is coming. He gets out of the car with the tomatoes and then he hears his mother, I think, scream. Yeah.

So he could have very easily come in and, yeah, you're absolutely right. That was crazy. And, yeah, so traditionally. I mean it's a different universe, I guess. Yes, that's right. Yeah, he could have very easily done it. It's a different universe, I guess. Yes, that's right.

Yeah, he could have very easily done it. I'm thinking what was supposed to, he was supposed to have heard her, like her last dying breath or something. That's why he comes in. But it sounds like she's screaming because she's being murdered like that second. Yeah. That's why he comes in.

And it's the reverse flash or whatever normally, right? Yeah, so traditionally, yeah. So it's. And if there was a sequel to this, I guess, maybe they'd mention that. Yeah. So traditionally, yeah, it's one of the reverse flashes who has gone back in time to kill Barry Allen's mother

because he's like tragedy makes you a better superhero. Damn. Although traditionally, traditionally, Barry Allen's parents are just not mentioned. Like this is a fairly new – If you love tradition, that's the one you should hold in your heart. That's the one you should hold in your heart. Yeah, and so the villain of this, in addition to Zod and maybe Fiora

if she's in this, is Barry Allen himself who becomes a reverse Flash of a sort. Yes, that's right. For a minute. For a minute. So they end up in this new world where there's no superheroes and the young Barry Allen, Batman and Supergirl are defeated, they're killed, and the young Barry Allen's like, well, we can just go back in time

and fix it again, and he keeps doing this over and over and over again until he's filled with Kryptonian shrapnel and he's become this reverse Flash monster creature, which I quite liked, like design-wise. Yeah, his face looked bad. Yeah, he did, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it was like an old man filter. That's right, yes. And, yeah, so that's this universe's reverse Flash, I guess.

And then? The bit where he kind of runs down through the Speed Force and, like, shoves him out. It felt like, well, that's a bit spooky. That felt very It, Andy Muschietti It. It felt like, oh, okay, there's this beast haunting the Speed Force. I thought that was kind of fun. I guess before we get into the spoilers of all the cameos and the reversing of time.

Yeah. So Wonder Woman is in this also. And they just do the lasso of truth joke. Again, yes. From the bad Justice League movie. Yeah, they do, yeah. But also. Because that's not canon anymore.

No, it is. No, but it might be. Yeah, it is. Because I can't remember specifically, but there's some things in this that they talk about. I think because Ben Affleck's Batman talks to Barry about reversing time. And I don't know whether he does it in, maybe he does it in Justice League 2017,

but he definitely does it. He does it in the Snyder Cut, yeah. Yeah, for like, he goes back like 10 seconds or whatever. Yeah. You're right. Batman says there's a difference between going back in time 10 seconds and going back years. You're absolutely right.

But there might be a moment in 2017 where that happens and I don't remember. I don't think there is. We'll never know. Because we'll never go back. We're done. This universe is over. What's another?

So also. Tell me where Morrison is in it. Yeah. I think the timeline works out because I guess the first time you see that reverse flash, he's pushing Barry out of the timeline into the past. So that that can happen. So that the loop happens and he gives past Barry Allen his powers, right? Yeah.

What do you get a tooth knocked out? What's going on there? A joke for the end. That was a joke. For the big reveal that we all knew somehow. That we all figured out. We got told. Yeah. We got given a scoop.

Did we really? Yeah, we got that scoop. I don't even remember that. All right. It's good to ruin something for everybody. Hell yeah, brother. Yeah. So when Batman figures, Batman dies twice.

Keaton Batman. Keaton Batman. And the second time he somehow knows, he's like, no, this is probably it for me. Just don't. I can't. I'm tired. My leg. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

How does he know that it's over? Did he measure time with his little tape measure? Yes. But do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, stop saving me. Like, how would you even know that? That's true.

And also, if I can be critical, James, if you'll allow me to be. James, if you could settle down with your effusive praise for this movie and let me be critical for a if you'll allow me to be james if you could settle down with your effusive praise for this movie and let me be critical for a second yeah supergirl and batman stories just go they're just gone yeah they just that universe is done he's like oh i guess everybody's dead in this universe yep and sure like going back i guess when he goes back in time and he and he changes stuff so this universe doesn't exist anymore i guess guess. That's all wiped. It's all wiped clean. But there was a – the reverse Flash version of this guy, like condemned them to death thousands of times.

He was pretty old. Yeah. So maybe more. He's like, I think I nearly figured it out. You haven't. What are you doing? Stop doing this. Get some kryptonite.

Find some kryptonite, idiot. You've got so much shrapnel in you. Yeah. I would have found some kryptonite. I would kryptonite, idiot. You've got so much shrapnel in you. I would have found some kryptonite. I would have found less shrapnel. Wow. So anyway, so they decide to reverse time together. And then the worst thing I've ever seen happens, Mason.

So there's all these cameos appear from across the history of the DC comics and universes and movies that have made and have not been made, which I guess is a homage. But as a homage, yuck. Disgusting. guess is a homage. But as a homage, yuck. Disgusting. Here's a few. Jay Garrick, the Golden Age Flash, played by some guy for one second. Yeah, it's not Teddy Sears.

People think it's Teddy Sears. People think that was a nod to the Flash TV series. There isn't one in this. Maybe there's a secret one that hasn't been found yet at the time of recording. But the fact that. You don't get John Wesley shit. Yeah, you don't want to have a nod to that show. Grant Gustin. At all. You don't want Grant Gustin. Ezra Miller was in that show have a nod to that show at all.

You don't want Grant Gustin? Ezra Miller was in that show. He was in that show. That's wild to me. You don't even want to just see it on a screen. He would have been like, oh, it's that guy. I met that guy. Yeah.

Right? Ridiculous. Yeah, yeah. That show ran so this movie could run awfully. That's right. Who else? Who do we want to mention next? George Reeves.

Killed himself. Yep. That's the one that I found not good. You didn't have to put that in. You didn't have to put, not Brandon Routh. No, well, yeah. Not Tom Welling. Tom Welling would have been great.

Dean Cain. No, that's fine. You don't have to put him in. Adam West is in it. Yep. Nicolas Cage is in it. See, that's the one I think if this were a better movie, it'd be like finally we get the payoff from the Kevin Smith story.

If this was a better movie, Nicolas Cage would have actually been in it and there would have been some interaction and it wasn't just glowing orbs fucking crashing into each other with like horrible looking people in them. This should be a movie where you're actually interacting with other things. You're not just watching them like you're watching a TV. James, I am watching a TV. I'm watching a TV right now, aren't I?

Do you know what I mean? I'm watching a YouTube clip of a man giving effusive praise to the Flash movie. Also, like, nobody knows that. The Nicolas Cage spider thing. People do. See, that's the thing. People like us know. Normal people don't know that.

Normal people like us know, and I like that one. I'm giving it my point. No, I like it, but I don't like the execution of it. He doesn't even say anything. He doesn't say anything. Also, like, what version is it? Because the Kevin Smith version has the giant spider, but he never cast anybody.

The Tim Burton version has Nicolas Cage with the long hair and the suit. Yes. So it's a combination of the two, but also in that movie, at the end in the concept art, Superman has cut his hair. So he doesn't have, so I guess there's an alternate version which is a blending of. James, let me get here. Well, yeah, obviously, James, you've answered your own question,

but the answer is they've built that CGI model from the one still photo of Nicolas Cage they had. That's exactly right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and I know they would have had to, like, licensed his likeness. Yes. But you don't want to pay him some money because he would do it. He would absolutely do it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and I know they would have had to, like, licensed his likeness. Yes.

But you don't want to pay him some money because he would do it. He would absolutely do it. Absolutely, yeah. Also, for people who don't know, Kevin Smith's – look, normal people would know. But if you don't know, Kevin Smith told a story once. He was hired to do some rewrites on the Superman Live script. And he ended up just scrapping the original one.

Yeah, he ended up scrapping it completely. But the producer, John Peters, who worked on the Tim Burton Batman movies, gave him three rules for writing Superman, which was, I don't want to see him in that old suit. I don't want to see him fly. And he has to fight a giant spider in the third act. And the giant spider made its way into Wild Wild West. But apparently, I learned this recently,

that was already in the script before John Peters produced that movie. Oh, my God. Maybe he was like, what, there's a giant spider i'm on board 100 oh my god yeah so of course the other cameo which uh i found just horrendous was the christopher reeve helen slater cameo superman 1970s superman and super we covered supergirl recently and they're they're in the same universe so She's alive, by the way. Yeah, she is, yeah. She was in the Supergirl series.

She was in the CW. There's a series of videos that started about 12 years ago on YouTube and somebody made- Mr. Sunday Movies? Yeah, it was me. Superman versus the Hulk. Okay. And it's the Chris Reeves version.

It looks- Like that looks better than this. I cannot believe they did not just get footage of him. Why would you do it like this? Yeah, it's wild, isn't it? Surely there is enough existing footage of him. I know that. They put Marlon fucking Brando in Superman Returns like 10 years

after he died or whatever. You cannot tell me that this was not possible. Also, he should have gotten Ben Affleck as George Reeves. Sure. In Hollywood land. That would make more sense to me. No, it would make less sense. You know what it looked like?

Yes. It looked like, you know, the old DC introduction, which they didn't use for this. Yeah, yeah. And when I say old, I mean the one that they started maybe five years ago. Yeah, yeah. With a bunch of characters they never used. Never see their faces.

Yeah. It looked like it had the fidelity and the texture of that. And those people didn't have faces, Jason. During the CW crisis on Infinite Earths, there was a bunch of scenes where they just got like the universe is exploding and they just got various characters to be like, what? It was that, basically. I mean, that would have been better.

Can you imagine also like the various flashes running through these universes? Yeah. And like they run past like a real Nicolas Cage or Superman beating himself up in a junkyard in Superman 3? Just something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you're watching orbs crash into each other. Yeah.

Are you kidding me? Well, see, that's the thing as well. Are you kidding me, Mason? I was kidding you this whole time actually. Oh, this is a joke? Yeah, I made this. I made the flash and I hide out the cinema. I felt bad when I saw them.

Like it made me feel bad. And this goes back to what I've been talking about before. Whenever I see dead people recreated in movies or people like made to look young, even when it's like Luke Skywalker. What about Indiana Jones? I haven't seen it yet. But it never makes me feel good. Interesting.

It's either neutral to bad. Is that because you're an empath? Maybe I'm an empath. Maybe I feel too much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's probably it, yeah. Yeah, I think what it did for me when I saw George Reeves and when I saw Christopher Reeve and Helen Slater,

what it did for me is I was like, oh, imagine the adventures they would have had. Like there was a moment of that, but then I'm like. When they flew down next to each other. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, oh, man, wouldn't that be nice having them. What fun adventures. Yeah.

So that was, I had a nice feeling some of the time. I mean, imagine doing, you get some footage from Batman 66. Nice. And they're climbing up the building and two flashes just run past. Oh, that's right. Or Batman's running around with a bomb and you just zip past. Like that is, and that's like, that's ghoulish. Don't get me wrong.

But that's better than this, I feel, in my humble opinion, Mason. Were these late additions to be like people are expecting cameos? I think so, yeah. They would have had to have been. Here's the thing. The reason I don't feel that bad about the Christopher Reeve one is presumably his family signed off on it, I hope. Yeah, you'd think so.

Unless Warner Brothers owns his likeness rights forever somehow. That could be true. But I feel bad about George Reeves because George Reeves has, like he died with like no family. Yeah. So they're just like, who cares? And like you said, he didn't just die. He killed himself.

Because he was typecast. I know there's conspiracies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Goddamn. Yeah. Anyway, Clooney shows up. That's right. As we knew he would. Yep. killed himself because he was time i know there's conspiracies yeah yeah yeah god damn yeah anyway clooney shows up that's right as we knew he would yep uh i like how he was small i liked how he was small and he didn't shave his beard he's just like whatever i assume it's because like keaton he's not bad he's just but he's just bruce wayne now but i like the idea that they were like well your your batman was clean shaven with dark hair. And he's like, nope, I will not.

I absolutely will not. So I guess, again, it's not really the version from Batman and Robin. It's converging. So does that mean that he. He's Batman now? Well, I guess. But is this. So in this version, the Flash has saved his father.

Like he's gotten his father out of prison. But also he's in a reality. Or he's in a reality or he's altered this reality he's altered this reality so ben affleck batman's not batman anymore so this reality is still broken yeah it is i mean there's a there's a mid to post-credit scene with aquaman where he's saying how you're the same in every universe except for the one where he's the dog or whatever where it felt to me open-ended enough, and people will probably dispute this, but they haven't said the hard word on this at all, that he could have fixed it again.

Yeah. Because they never specified. But here's the thing. The original ending, there's a couple of things that they changed. When they were screening this, Clooney, you don't see who gets out of the car. Right, yeah, of course. So they hid the Clooney cameo. And then there's an original ending where barry returns home after the aquaman bit i like

how barry yes i like how he's just sleeping in the puddle i like that because he's a grub he's in his grubby and one of his his monitors start flashing and apparently ben affleck appears on one of the screens wearing the super no cow and he doesn't know if this message will find barry but if he does uh that says, we need your help. He says, you have to find us, Barry, find us.

And it ends with Barry saying, Oh fuck. Oh, and that's the, right. Oh, they put an F word in this as well. I guess.

But so I think they, they've been talking about a sequel to this. Uh, no, no way. I mean, unless this does make a billion dollars, then yes,

it will. If this good word of mouth gets out. I mean, yeah, it's interesting because I obviously hated it and you were saying there were some moments that you liked but you're not obviously. That's right. So if this goes viral, I imagine Warner Brothers will put this, Warner Brothers will put the entire transcript of this

on their posters, I would imagine. I did enjoy, though, that Ben Affleck's like, listen, I know you're talking about you can go back and save my parents or whatever, but I don't think it's a good idea because it makes us who we are. And then Barry Allen wrecks Ben Affleck so hard that he rolls him completely out of this universe.

Just wipes him from existence. So, you know, that's fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now we'll talk about some sequels and some upcoming stuff. Right, I love that. But do you want some reviews from people who have written in? Yes. All right, here we go.

It's from Ben who says, The Flash checked a bunch of concept boxes, but the execution of them left a lot to be desired. The CGI was horribly uncanny valley, and I think they forgot to style most of everyone's hair. Flash's suit and Keaton's performances didn't make up for the video game quality. Brad says, Thankfully, The Flash is phenomenal fun.

On the spectrum of multiverse movies, it's more No Way Home than Spider-Verse or Everywhere All at Once. A sugar rush of comic book pop with surprisingly toothsome emotional beats. I really, really enjoyed the ride. Very toothsome. So again, like that one, in concept, I agree

with, but not execution. Let me ask you this, James. If the CGI was still as ropey as it is and you didn't know anything about the external circumstance of this movie, do you think you'd like it more? Yeah, probably. Yeah, I'd probably like it more but I don't think I'd love it. And I think that's probably what they're banking on,

general audiences who don't know anything about what Ezra Miller got up to and don't know. Because most people don't really. Exactly, and I think most people would go like, oh, I remember Christopher Reeve's Superman. Oh, I remember 60s Batman. Isn't that a bit of fun kind of thing? But the visuals of it and the execution of that, like,

speaks to me in terms of, like, what they think people are willing to accept. So that, to me, I find worse than just the fact that it looks terrible. Interesting, okay, yeah. And, like, if they were just like, look, we ran out of money and whatever, like, I would have been like, okay. When this comes to streaming, without a doubt, there'll be a guy. Yeah, without a doubt, there'll be some people on the internet

who take individual scenes and tweak the CG so it looks better. Yeah, I can't wait. It's from Clark who says, the Flash is bad, actually. Supergirl and Keaton don't make up for the fact that Ezra Miller is going through some serious stuff. Weird green screen and odd CGI make all the issues come forward. And Mike says there's no way that that Top Gun joke was the version of the Flash that Tom Cruise endorsed right.

So, yeah. Oh, yeah, right, right, right. Okay, yeah. So in this universe, in the- Because they talk about how- Eric Stoltz is in Back to the Future and Michael J. Fox is Maverick? Yeah, something like that. Something like that, yeah, okay.

Was it Michael J. Fox? I think so. Yeah. I don't. Something like that, yeah, okay. Was it Michael J. Fox? I think so. Yeah. I don't know. But, yeah, great stuff all around. Maybe he loved it. Maybe Tom Cruise was like, incredible. Yeah.

Incredible. Apparently it was a 15-minute phone call where Tom Cruise was like, I love this and I'm normal. Yeah, nice. And they were like, thanks, Tom. Thanks, Tom, you are normal. Anyways, the sequel apparently depends on box office. Okay.

But, of course, Andy Muschietti is going to apparently direct Batman the Brave and the Bold, which I don't have a problem with really at all because I think telling a Batman-focused story, I think if you look at, again, the emotional stuff and if you look at the Batman stuff in this, I don't think any of that is particularly bad. And also, yeah, I think the best, like mean i think the best the best like i said the best

action sequence i think was the the initial one and i think batman racing through the streets of gotham until it gets to the freeway and he's cgi batman bouncing across the cars and stuff but i think the 48 year old ben yeah yeah but the bike chase stuff i think was very good i think i think that looked good and batman you know bruce wayne Wayne and Damian Wayne taking on the League of Assassins or whatever, that's going to be way less CGI heavy, one would hope. One would hope. So, you know. Yeah.

And also if it's bad, who cares? Because there'll be other movies and a Batman sequel that they're also making. That's true, yeah. With a different Batman. And a Penguin. And a Penguin TV show, which is currently writer-striked alone. That's right. So Blue Beetle is apparently going to be the official first movie in the DCU,

but it's obviously not. It only is because it just happens to be. That's true. It wasn't made that way. I think that's going to be so standalone it won't matter. That's true. I don't think we're going to get Wonder Woman showing up and waving at everybody, though she has been doing that lately.

So maybe. I don't have a problem with her staying as Wonder Woman. Wow. She's great. Well, it's good to know you don't have a problem with her staying as Wonder Woman Wow She's great Well it's good to know you don't have a problem with it, James Also, that brings us I guess to Aquaman 2 Yes Where is that set?

Like is this universe fixed? And now So Or is this universe like fucked And Aquaman 2 takes place in that Or is it set in the new DCU? But also apparently he might be Lobo also. I'm excited for that.

I hope Lobo shows up in the post-credits of Aquaman 2. Whoa. That would be pretty rad, wouldn't it? Well, apparently they scrapped a bunch of stuff from that, including I think it had Keaton and Clooney cameos maybe. That's right, yeah. Or one or the other and they switched them and now they've maybe taken them both out.

We won't know until we see it. That's right. Until they figure out what they want to do. Also, they haven't cast the new Batman in this yet, in this universe yet. So why? I don't think that – there's no way where they would put a Heaton or Clooney cameo of Batman in Aquaman 2 and then recast Batman because I think that would be too much confusion. I think if anything they would – if they were going to put a Batman cameo in the end of Aquaman 2, it would be whoever the new Batman is. Like they'll cast him real quick and they'll get him in there.

But they probably, I'd say it's more likely that if there's no Batman in that movie. Absolutely. Depending where it is in the movie. So bats can't live in the water. Ridiculous. You're thinking of a fish. I am thinking of a fish. But I guess also I think that their plan was until James Gunn came on board that Michael Keaton.

Yeah, panic. And Michael Keaton, because he was in Batgirl, he was in Aquaman 2, I think they were going to make him the linchpin of this story. And he was going to be like the focal point until James Gunn said, maybe we don't put like a 75-year-old man as the linchpin of the universe. But they were 100% lining him up to be their Robert Downey Jr. Yeah, I think so. I do not doubt that for a second.

So you're saying they should get Robert Downey Jr. as Batman? Yes. Great. That's exactly what I'm saying. Yeah. So that's everything. He doesn't do anything. He just says he's Batman all the time.

I'm Batman. Just Robert Downey Jr. He shows up in a fancy car and he's like, I'm Batman. You're a fan of me? I'm Batman. Yeah, I'd be a fan of me too. I'm Batman. Is that everything? I think that's everything, yeah'd be a fan of me too. I'm Batman. Is that everything?

I think that's everything, yeah. What a fucking train wreck. What a time. It's been decades of trying to get a Flash movie going. They made the best thing they could given the circumstances. Anyways, I guess let us know. Yeah. I mean, the responses we're getting, it's really like I loved it and hated it and everything

in between. Yeah, yeah. So I don't think this is like a universally hated thing. Yeah. And if you like it, like, I don't, that's fine. Like, I'm not angry at you. You seem a little angry at me personally. No, no, really.

Like, I like when people like things. It makes me happy. Yeah. People enjoy something. That's good. Even if it's absolute fucking dreck. Whoa. All right, Mason.

Well, otherwise nobody would listen to our podcast. Well, that's exactly what I'm saying. Who am I to cast stones? That's right. If I was in charge of this movie, there's no way it would be better than this. Yeah. But that being said, the CG is better in our podcast. You can't see it, but we've worked really hard on it.

Yeah, we put in the effort. We got the Superman versus Hulk guy to do it. That's right. It's really good. Yeah. Anyways, what is the time for? It's time for what we're reading. What are we going to read?

That's right. I'm doing a thing. What are we reading today? Well. James, we're back in the room. Now that we've finished talking about a movie which has so much in it that it's basically for nobody. Let's talk. For everyone?

No. Mr. Negativity over here. Let's talk about what we've been up to. Okay. What have you been reading? Well, I haven't been reading anything or watching anything, but it's a big week on Netflix. So big. So if you've cancelled your Netflix subscription, as you should have, maybe find a new email

address and sign up and get a free two days or whatever they give you now. Apparently, signups are up after they stopped password sharing. Supposedly, but I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true. But yeah, anyway, big week. There's a new season of Black Mirror, which you've seen. Yes. I'll talk about it probably more next week or whatever. Yeah, we should. I didn't realize it was at the end of it, but I was.

Oh yeah. Went by just that quick. I was like, oh, only five. I thought there was six. Well, there's not. Yeah. And also, Jake's Traction. Jake's Traction is back. Jake's Traction, Hugh Jackman Extraction jake's traction is back faction jake jake's traction hugh jackman extraction that's his confirmation name hugh jackman how does he do it it's good right i've heard it's good yeah but no with that and the flash and various other things that are out this week and i also i've watched one episode of secret invasion oh yeah you mentioned

i know people are like loving it but i thought it was okay. Like, I didn't love it. So Nick Fury comes back to Earth and there might be a Skrull invasion and there's three separate times where they're like, Nick Fury, you're not the same since you snapped. You went to space. We think you've changed. Three different people tell him that. Well, maybe he has.

And then there's a moment where he, like, thinks, he's like he sits there and he thinks about the time he got snapped right you see it okay all right so but i don't know i um i thought it was okay again i've got two episodes but i haven't watched the second one yet but it will seem to be okay with us okay from the early response but too early for me to say yeah to be honest also i i've just received notification that my package is available to pick up and it's both volumes of The Authority. The former Image Wildstorm comic that is now a DC property that they're going to make a movie out of and I'm like,

I'd better give it a reread. I can't wait for you to hand those over to me. I'm not going to give them to you. Just one of them, the second volume. The second volume is Mark Miller. So I don't know what's happening. Great, okay. But, yeah, I remember enjoying those back in the day

and I'm like I'm going to check those out because it's going to be a big-time movie. That's true. It might be a big-time movie. Big-time. Well, I mean, you know, what else are they going to do, another Flash movie? Yeah, that is.

Yeah. I mean, maybe with a different Flash. What do you think the chances of Ezra Miller coming back are? Pretty slim, right? Not zero. I agree. It's not zero. But if the box office is not great, then that's zero.

Because they've clearly like sheltered this whole experience. I know we're coming back to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like so they could get the most out of this movie. But now it's out. They have no reason to. I reckon they could do like a, I reckon they might go, well, Ezra was not the problem with this movie and blah, blah, blah.

And they've had a big stuff. Yeah, a big stuff happens. We did a big intervention and they've changed their ways and they're on a path and blah, blah, blah, and we'll see you in 2025 for The Flash 2. And by 2025 we mean 2035. I also think like absolutely if they are doing better and get better and I think that's that's all good like people that redemption should absolutely be an arc for people but the fact that they haven't

even acknowledged yeah i talked about it anyway should move the next segment of the show we should it's letters here it is i love letters i love how many we get you have had too much to flash man, and you are hyperactive, and you need to settle down while we do letters. We're going to do this for five more minutes, and then we'll end the show. All right, we'll end the show. And then you can play PlayStation.

Okay, I can't wait to play PlayStation. If you do want to reach the show, hashtag weeklyplanetpod on Twitter, or weeklyplanetpod at gmail.com. I'll just do this one, Jack, but we talked about it. It says, hashtag weeklyplanetpod. I've only seen three episodes of Black Mirror so far. I feel like I deserve this own podcast episode. So maybe The do this one, Jack, but we talked about it. It says, hashtag weeklyplanetpod. I've only seen three episodes of Black Mirror so far. I feel like I deserve this own podcast episode.

So maybe The Flash this week, then Black Mirror, and then Jack says I didn't like the Aaron Paul one. So, yeah, maybe we'll do Jake's Traction, Black Mirror next week. Okay, great. Yeah, I don't know. I might forget all about Black Mirror by next week, but you'll have seen it. That's a good sign, isn't it? Maybe you'll jog my – no, I enjoyed it.

I thought there were some really strong episodes in there. But it also feels some of them are just like, yeah, this is whatever now. Like it's not necessarily like your phone's going to dig into your brain. That's right. And bite you. What do you – Oh, my God, what if it does though? What have you got in terms of letters?

This is from Guy. He's emailed in. The great pop culture lim-pun tattoo dream, he said. This is from Guy. He's emailed in. The great pop culture limb pun tattoo dream, he said. Oh, my God. Inspired by Marty McThigh, which was, of course, the Marty McThigh tattoo that one of the characters had in The Flash this week. Oh, very good.

What would your tattoo choice combining an icon and a body part be? Oh, God. You don't have to. I don't have one. No, exactly. Neither do I. It's a good question.

It's a good question. He's done some puns here. Mine would be knee 3PO, chindiana Jones, or the more obvious Dick Grayson. So you, indiana Jones on your chin? What I'm asking you is what kind of tattoo would you get generally?

It doesn't have to be a pun. I'm asking you because neither of us have any tattoos as far as I know. I would get that one where, you know, it looks like the guy, it looks like in his chest,

like a baby's driving his body. What are your eyes? Uh-huh. I get that one. One of those guys, that guy who famously said this is the biggest regret he's ever had in his life of doing that, you would get that exactly.

Yeah, I don't know. It's probably boring, but I'll probably get the names of, like, people in my family or whatever. But not the people I like, the family members I hate. Like extended family I want to destroy. Oh, nice. And then you'd cross them. You'd go to a function and you'd point at it and go,

there you go. There you go, mate. There you go. Yeah. Gary. Gary. You're in for it. Gary movies. And you. Here you go, mate. Here you go. Yeah. Gary. Gary. You're in for it. Gary movies.

And you would just get a Sharpie out and then you'd put a line through it and be like. What do you think, Gary? That's right. Yeah. What would you get? That's a great question. I don't know. I feel happy that I never got any tattoos.

Younger. Younger or like, oh, my God, I love Iron Man. I should get an Iron Man tattoo because then like the cultural context changes. I know a guy who's got red tornado tattoos, like the DC character. He's an android and he turns into a tornado, as you know. And I'm like, that's a bold call because the context behind that character could change. Could be the head of the Hitler Youth in a few years.

That's exactly what I'm saying. They're like, well, he's like that character is significant to you because of all the stories you loved as a kid. But what if they're like, well, we need a minor character to make the head of the Hitler Youth or whatever you said. And now all of a sudden you've got the tattoos there. Yeah. It's like the Southern Cross, which was on our flag.

And it doesn't inherently mean that you're a big racist. Oh, exclusively big racists have one. But, yeah, because I love the Southern Cross. It's in the sky. Yeah. But, you know, sometimes a bunch of big racists have them. And whenever you see one, it's like, and you look at the person, it's like, okay.

Yeah. Anyway, I'm crowdsourcing ideas for tattoos. If I were to get one, I think I'd get like a back of the forearm. I don't mind that idea. You want somewhere that's not too saggy. That's right. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I can see it. Because I don't want a tattoo that I can't see. See, I like the, like, my bicep would be good, but I'm only getting bigger. Okay. So I can't get a tattoo of your mum that then is stretched out wildly. She'll have to get bigger. She'll have to get wider. She'll have to get wider.

She'll have to have a wider mum. Yeah. No, I think, yeah, forearm wrist kind of I'm okay with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't mind shoulder blade. Here's the thing. Here's the thing, though, James. I think there are two types of people with tattoos.

I think there are three. Wow. All right. Well, we'll see. Let's list them out. I think there's two types of people with tattoos. Someone with tattoos, you look at them and you go, oh, my God, they look so cool with tattoos. I was thinking getting a tattoo. Maybe I'll get a tattoo. Yeah. And there's a second Someone with tattoos, you look at them and you go, oh, my God, they look so cool with tattoos.

I was thinking getting a tattoo, maybe I'll get a tattoo. And there's a second type of person where you look at them and you go, I was thinking about getting a tattoo, but maybe I won't. And I'm pretty sure I'd be in the second category. And it depends on when you see them. I call it the Ed Sheeran effect is what I call it. That's right. I'll say anything.

The guy from, what's he called? Jason Momoa. Maroon 5. Oh, yeah, Adam something. I like Jason Momoa's tattoos, but I wouldn't get those. That wouldn't be a good tattoo for me to get. say anything the guy from um what's he called jason maroon five oh yeah adam something i like jason but i wouldn't get those like that wouldn't be a good tattoo for me to get yeah you know yeah i think honestly what if you got a jason clokoa cloaca yeah yeah there we go yeah but like i love because we see him in the group i love when we see like people with like superhero tattoos like

i think they look awesome because it looks good on them. Yeah, but I don't know if it would work for me. But I think as long as you like it, get what, you know, do it. Good. Not you. You can't stop me. All right. Wow. Judgy.

But I could. I'd kill you. Oh, my gosh. Because he's going to kill me. How about this, Mason? Go on. Tommy West who says, hashtag weekly planet pod. I can only recall that I liked this film as a child,

but I only saw it once or twice. Haven't seen it since. Do you have an opinion? Can you explain this? What do you think the story was? It's a poster of the movie Young Einstein. Oh, yeah. Do you want to explain?

Well, I mean, Young Einstein, that is the Australian icon Yahoo series, and it's set in Tasmania, which is the. But in like the 1900s or something? Yeah, something like that, yeah. Yeah. And Tasmania is like the lowest territory. It's like an island territory at the bottom of Australia. And his name's Einstein and he invents beer or something

and then he ends up in – And rock and roll. And rock and roll, then he ends up in an insane asylum. Yeah. That was a huge hit, that movie. It was big. It was a big independent Australian hit. And then he ended up making a movie, which I've never seen

Young Einstein, but he made Reckless Kelly. Reckless Kelly, yeah. Which was, ah, which was Ned Kelly, who's our national icon, which is a bushranger. Yes. Basically a robber, which I love. It's like a modern version of that. Yes.

And he robs from the rich. He's also Ned Kelly and he gives to the poor. And it's this bizarre like anti-authority, anti-British monarchy, like pro-indigenous movie. But it's also like it looks awful and it's not funny, but there's a real kind of weird charm to it. And Jan from The Office is in it. Hugo Weaving's in it.

It's this wild movie that came out in like 1993. And then he made one more. And I ended up, it's on YouTube. I ended up watching a bunch of it the other day just by like happenstance because I was looking for the tank from Indiana Jones 3 because I was fairly confident I saw it in Yahoo! Sirius' house from Young Einstein at Warner Brothers. And I'm pretty sure I did the tour and there was the Indiana Jones tank.

None of this makes any sense if you're not both of us. Yes. And even I'm struggling a little bit. So Hollywood on the Gold Coast, it's a theme park. It's Warner Brothers themed. And there was a Young Einstein house in there. And so it was Yahoo! Series themed. And then you do like a little tour.

And I swear that the last Crusade tank was there. And there was a couple of them. But I looked it up and I cannot find any proof that it ever was there so i might have imagined it but i'm fairly confident it was there so that's why i was looking at yahoo series and that's what we got me watching a bunch of reckless kelly but then he made a movie in like the year 2000 called mr accident yeah i didn't say that one completely disappeared so but he's a really interesting guy like he's lived this really interesting life and made all these kind of independent movies. And I think he's like 60 plus now.

Yeah, right, right, right. But it's wild that, yeah, he got a chance to make any of that. Yeah. Just a real, real moment in Australian pop culture that he was just able to do those. The back of Crocodile Dundee probably got him the first one. Right. That independent Australian larrikin comedy kind of thing.

They were searching for the new Paul Hogan and they found him in us. That's right. Two heroes. So anyway, that's an answer to your question. Yeah, we love it. That was for nobody except us and Toby. I haven't seen either. I haven't seen Young Einstein or Reckless Kelly since they came out at cinema.

So I could not tell you. Yeah. Maybe we should do a commentary. Maybe we should. Maybe we should do a Caravan of Garbage. Maybe we should. Yeah. Maybe we should do a commentary. Maybe we should. Maybe we should do a Caravan of Garbage. Maybe we should. Yeah. Maybe we should cover every Ned Kelly movie.

That one, the one with Mick Jagger. Yep. The Heath Ledger one. Heath Ledger one. There's a parody one which Abe Forsyth did who might be directing the new Robocop movie. All right. Just called Ned.

Oh, yeah, I do know that one. From like 2006 or something. Anyway, so what have you got? Here's one more email. This is from Will. Will. Hey, yeah, I do know that one. Like 2006 or something. Anyway, so what have you got? Here's one more email. This is from Will. Will! Hey, fellas, long-time listener. I was wondering if you've seen the recent interview with Harrison Ford

from comicbook.com where they asked him if he would turn into the Red Hulk and he says he doesn't know what the Red Hulk is. He's lying. You think so? Yeah, he knows. You think so? I think the Red Hulk is in that movie. I mean, he might not know.

Yeah. But I think he would know you'd think it'd be in the script right yeah what do you think see i'm wondering about like if harrison ford does a movie where he's not the star of it yeah do you think he gets the whole script or do you think he just gets his sides i mean he might get the whole script but he doesn't read the whole script yeah i think he's probably like yeah i wonder um uh will says i think it'd be hilarious if he filmed a whole movie and he doesn't know what the character is.

But that's, I feel like. It's possible. Yeah, I feel like he is from a generation where they didn't know that. Yeah. Like, or, no, he's from. I don't know. I think the movies that he's done, a lot of them are so good. Yeah.

That there's no way that he wouldn't have handpicked a bunch of them. But maybe he doesn't do that now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He did do Hollywood Homicide. Yeah, I've've said this before but i think he's from a generation where they didn't have to know about everything about their character or it and on all their relationships to every other character in the universe and all their backstory there was no you know exactly and all the famous stories i'm jack ryan am i fine fine exactly i mean the end of jones he had adventures what were they i don't know name another i don't know he found another idol were they? I don't know. Name another.

I don't know. He found another idol. You know? So I don't know. I'd be fascinated to know his process in movies where he's not the main guy. I would love to know. Yeah. But, I mean, I don't know.

I think maybe I reckon he might do like he gets his sides and he does some scenes where he's live action and then they bring him in the booth and they're like, hey, Harrison, can you go like, I'll destroy you? And he's live action and then they bring him in the booth and they're like, hey, Harrison, can you go like, I'll destroy you? And he's like, all right. I'll do it. And then he's surprised when he sees the movie and he's turned

into a Red Monster. Well, I'm the Red Hulk. You were right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did say that. Also, like, there's a good chance that he's not voicing the Red Hulk if he is the Red Hulk. Oh, that's true, yeah.

I think Mark Ruffalo does some of it in there. I don't know. Yeah, right. I know they obviously digitise a bunch of voices. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think Mark Ruffalo does some of it in there. I don't know. Yeah, right. I know they obviously digitize a bunch of – Yeah, yeah. I don't know. They might even get like Lou Ferrigno. Yeah.

And put a filter on him or something like that. They did for one of them. Yeah, that would be a fun – I think that would be a fun little throwback. So maybe he doesn't – maybe I'm banking on he doesn't actually know. Okay. I think for real he doesn't know that he's the Red Hulk. I think they should get Lou Baker. Nice, yeah. He did that Bega. Nice, yeah.

He did that song. I know, yeah. Mambo No. 5. That's the rest of the world's Yahoo! series. Everybody knows who Lou Bega is. Then it should be the opposite where I don't know who he is and I know who Yahoo!

series is. That's a good point. That's a great point. Yeah. What a time. Who's your Yahoo! series? Write it.

Yes. Whatever that means to you. Very open-ended. Who's your Yahoo! series? Is. Yes. Whatever that means to you. Very open-ended. Is your Yahoo serious? Is it the Yahoo search engine? Might be. Is it the search engine you ask Jeeves? Anyway, Mason, is that it?

I think that's the whole show. Folks, thank you so much for listening to the show. We 100% appreciate it. Big week. Gets us out of bed in the morning. Big week for having to just absolutely rinse a fucking movie, Mason. That's right. Or love a movie that you loved, which you thought was great.

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Got a couple here. You can do them in-app. I'm reading out all the five-star ones. I'm making my way through, Mason. Are you reading out the four-star ones? Yes. Are you reading out the three-star ones? Yes.

No, I'm not. Are you reading out the two-star ones? Those ones I am reading. What about the one-star ones? No. Good. No, I'm not reading. Anything less than five.

Okay. Just wanted to be clear. This one's from KnightRider42. Love that. It says, best time-travelling apocalypse guys. Hey guys, love the show. Always looking forward to Monday mornings so I can listen. Your discussion of time travel and apocalyptic doubles reminded

me of the movie. Frequently asked questions about time travel from 2009. Keep up the good work and never let your future selves talk you out of the movie reviews. Thank you, we won't. I don't even know what me from the future would say to me to stop me from doing this. Like, it'd have to be pretty convincing, Mason. Yeah.

Yeah. It'd have to be like, James, you could have a sleep in instead. Your one time a year you could have a sleep in. Would I still get money for the work that I do? No, but you'd get a sleep in. I want the money. Okay. Sorry.

Wow, okay. Now I'd give it all up for another sleep in, despite the fact that I sleep in most days. Anyway. Oh, this is one from Soup Mun Lives, who says, it's a podcast. And then it says, it's a podcast. I love that.

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We're going to talk about a year and determine if it was a good year. It's actually also the year 1992. Ooh. I think we talked about that because Batman Returns. Oh, yeah, that's right. That makes sense. Very nice. Cool.

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