The Weekly Planet - 484 The Flash Bombs & Extraction 2/Black Mirror

Episode Date: June 26, 2023

In an incredible week for Warner Brothers Discovery has there sixth DCEU bomb in a row with The Flash, they're selling off 500 million of IP and future movies will be decided by AI. There's also SPUMM news with a trailer for Kraven The Hunter and El Muerto gets cancelled, no Hall H for Marvel, Indiana Jones & The Dial Of Destiny becomes fresh on Rotten Tomatoes and we review both Extraction 2 and Black Mirror Season 6. Thanks for listening!Visit bigsandwich.co for a bonus weekly show, exclusive movie commentaries, early stuff and ad-free podcast feeds for $9 per month.Please be aware timecodes may shift due to inserted ads.00:00 The Start03:06 Across the Spider-Verse's Crunch Controversy10:28 Kraven the Hunter Trailer15:52 El Muerto Movie No More18:21 No Marvel at Comic Con Hall H19:58 Warner Bros. Cutting Costs & Algorithm AI27:52 Jason Momoa & The Rock Fast & Furious Movie31:28 Oppenheimer Reactions34:37 The Flash Failure at Box Office42:26 Indiana Jones and The Dial of Destiny is FRESH44:53 Extraction 2 Mild Spoiler Review01:02:14 Black Mirror S6 Review (spoilers 01:05:52 to 01:32:32)01:32:32 What We Reading, What We Gonna Read01:33:29 Secret Invasion Ep 1 Spoiler Review & AI Opening Credits01:41:18 Letters, It's Time For LettersJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownMaso's Instagram ► https://www.instagram.com/nickmaseauThe Weekly Planet Twitter ► https://twitter.com/theweeklyplanetPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesTWP iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767TWP Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetTWP YouTube Channel ► https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2QbmwGjT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday, and with me as always is a man who always tells the truth, Nick Mason. That is very true in itself. Ben Affneck. What? Last week, one of our listeners asked us to think of celebrity tattoos, like a celebrity we'd get on us and where we'd get on us, and we couldn't think of any.

And then as soon as the podcast ended, I went home and I went, I'll be an AFNAC. Oh, someone didn't even send you that one. No. Wow, incredible. That's probably why it's not very good. Unless they did, and that was in the email, in which case I've got a backup, which is Henry Clavelcoul.

I'd get him. I'd get him. It's sort of in the same, quite close. My boys. They could be kissing.. Yeah. They're my boys. They could be kissing. They could. They're my boys. That's nice.

The classic Batman and Superman. Well, Mason, you do always tell the truth. It's true. Are you going to tell the truth this week when we talk about whether or not people should cancel their Netflix subscription? Or resubscribe. Or resubscribe. Yeah, that's what we're going to talk about this week.

We've got Extraction and Black Mirror. But there's so many news leading up to that. That's right. Including... All good news. Tell the truth. Like I've taught you. I don't have to tell the truth.

What? That's your thing. My thing is big lies some of the time. That's actually very cool. So we're going to talk about some of the... I cannot tell a lie. Telling lies is very cool. And I wish I could.

But I can't. And that's a shame. Telling lies is very cool. And I wish I could, but I can't. And that's a shame. Also, smoking is cool. Smoking is cool. But am I lying? No. Wow. So we've got more delays, but maybe not for the reason you think in relation to Spider-Verse.

There's a whole lot of news there. We've got Spum updates. Oh, yes. In relation to the Kraven trailer. Spum dates? Spum dates. And, by the way, Spum is the Sony Pictures Universe of Marvel movies. So whenever you see a trailer and it says,

in association with Marvel. That's a Spum. You're getting sonied. You got Spummed. Yeah, you got Spummed. Sorry. You got Spum all over you. You know they do the trailer for the trailer now?

You should say, Spum all over you. You know how they do the trailer for the trailer now? You should say, Spum starts now. And then afterwards it would be like, you got Spummed. You got Spummed. Yuck. That's on you. You feel bad? You should.

We feel bad. But an algorithm's told us people want Spum. So you get Spummed. Well, it's funny you should say that because we're also going to talk about Warner Brothers' new strategy moving forward. There's a few things which we'll get into. Sell it off. Sell it all off for Kindling. That and algorithms.

El Muerto, sad news, we'll get to it. Marvel and Hall H this year. Oh. An update on Fast and the Furious spin-off, the Hobbs one. We're going to talk about what Christopher Nolan says people say when they saw Oppenheimer. Oh. We're going to talk about Indiana Jones 5 for its big release next week

and also how The Flash is bombing so hard. It's bombing so hard. It's bombing so hard. You know that thing where they say tracking and you're like, what's a tracking? It's way worse than the tracking. It's bombing so hard. Okay, let's start this off with delays but good potentially.

Because it's been speculated heavily that Beyond the Spider-Verse, the sequel to Across the Spider-Verse, which is supposed to be out of March of next year, is not going to happen. There's a bit of a lead-up to that. There was an interview with a bunch of anonymous people who worked onto the Spider-Verse, the last Spider-Verse. Sure.

Which is great, and a lot of people in this interview talk about their terrible experiences on this are proud of the movie itself. Obviously it's doing well. It is a great movie but is it worth all of these things which are happening all the time? So basically you know that thing that you loved, Mason. I do. Yeah, well, it was built off the back of underpaid workforce

and overworked. Now I like it slightly less and I blame you for bringing that to my attention. Well, this is how it is, Mason. This Vulture article. Yeah, the Vulture would. The Vulture would chime in, wouldn't it? Typical. Typical.

He's etching from the Vulture. He's a boomer. He's from a previous generation. He's probably lead poisoned. He doesn't know what's wrong. He doesn't have microplastics in the brain like us. That's right. Well, he probably has both.

He probably has both, yes. So apparently Phil Lord, who didn't direct this movie but had a big hand in it, a lot of the problem with this was that they'd change shots multiple times after they'd be completed. So there was this kind of endlessly moving platform beneath everybody's feet as they were trying to, like, you know, create these new and different and often conflicting, but, you know, animation styles that are all often happening

on screen at the same time. And we've had that before in the past with live action stuff. You know, Marvel is sort of famous for that amongst the VFX community, apparently, for being like, and then the guy shoots a big laser. What's it look like? Well, it can't look like any previous lasers. Do 10 versions. We'll look at them.

Don't like those. Actually, we'll lock that one in. Oh, actually, we've changed our mind two weeks before it comes out let's do the first one do the first laser again yeah yeah but slightly different so you have to do it again yeah that's like that and it you know it results in vf vfx artists burning out yes whole vfx companies shutting down and it seems it is the same and i guess we sort of expected this absolutely you know well there needs to be some kind, I don't know what the word is, some kind of coming together, almost like a union of VFX workers. An animation club?

Yeah. Interesting. Like a club where they meet up and they go, maybe we should get paid properly because the way that these works in studios. The pay properly club. The pay, can we have some proper money, please? I love it.

The studio will just take the lowest bid, so everybody's undercutting each other and then shutting down. Probably the most famous example of this is the VFX company worked on The Life of Pi. They won the Oscar for Best Visual Effects and shut down at the same time. So, yeah, because that tiger wasn't real. I don't know if you know that. You probably thought it was easy because it was real,

but it wasn't real. See, I assume that everybody tells the truth at all times. That's your problem, Mason. When that kid on the boat or whatever was like, I'm afraid of a tiger. I was like, it's probably that tiger because it's real. You were afraid of the tiger. I was afraid of the tiger.

Do you think movies are real? Like you're just looking through a window when you're watching them? I cannot tell a lie. No, I'm not stupid, James. Actually, that's a lie. I am stupid, but I'm not stupid in that way. Also, I think what is interesting as well this week is somebody, I think, on the production team of Across the Spider-Verse

said on Twitter, or somebody noticed this on TikTok, I think, and then it was confirmed by this producer that there are different versions of Across the Spider-Verse being released into cinemas. And I'm wondering, I've got a few questions. One is, is that because initial releases of it had a weird sound mix and they have rolled out a corrected version, which gets downloaded to theatres? So is this deliberate because it's a multiverse movie

and they're like, let's do a multiverse version of this. Let's surprise people. I doubt it. Well, yeah, that's the question. That would be a selling point of, like, you don't know what you're going to get. They probably would have advertised it at this point, I guess. You're probably right because there's like different audio. Different lines.

There's different lines. There is some different animation as well. But, again, I don't know if it's due to this rollout or it's, you know, they've done this on purpose to, you know, maybe. You can't rule it out, I guess. If any movie was going to do that, I suppose it would be across the Spider-Verse. And the second question is has this little tidbit been released

to get ahead of this interview where people have said that we're being badly treated? Well, maybe because sometimes people announce stupid things, you know, to distract from other things. Now, who's Amy Pascal? She is the producer on all Spider-Man stuff. Right, because she said once this news came out and this interview came out, she was like.

No, I disagree. Yeah, she was like, well, actually, that's called making a movie. Like maybe, but also. Yeah, but even if like, yeah, I mean, they made a movie. Yeah. But that doesn't mean that it has to be this way. No, that's true. And some of these effects artists were saying like they were doing seven-day weeks, 11 hours a day.

Apparently a lot of these people were working 70 hours plus and over the course of this 100 people left the project and apparently the majority of the crew were sitting idle for like up to half a year because Phil Lord was holding off on sequences and trying to kind of work out how everything was going to go. And then after that was all clear, it was like a dam breaking. And then they were just swamped with all the work all at once.

A real hurry up and wait situation. Exactly. So they were getting paid at that point. Right. But for nothing and then, yeah. Sounds like. Sounds easy. Sounds easy.

That's right. What are you complaining about? You had six months. You have time to sit. You have time to do a bit of animation on the side for free. When we figure it out, what it is. Which we won't for ages. So apparently one of the people, one of the anonymous people,

has spoken in this article, which I recommend. You recommend speaking anonymously? Yes. Nice. I mean, I do it every week. My real name is Bert Pantsdown. Did you know that? You didn't know that.

Why did I say that, Mason? No. We can cut it out in the edit. that. Why did I say that, Mason? No. We can cut it out in the edit. No. Okay. I'm going to try and tell the truth like you. Okay. Because my name is Bert Pantsdown.

Okay, Bert. All right. Bert Pantsdown. It's a wonderful first step you've taken, Bert Pantsdown. Because you burnt your pants down? Or is it just a coincidence? Yeah. I guess I'd have to ask your parents.

Exactly. Greg and Sally Pantsdown. So this one of the people. Anyway, read the article because there's more in it than what I'm talking about here, if you are interested. But there's this kind of idea that, oh, they've been working on these at the same time, and apparently that's not really true.

Yeah, like the next one, the part two of this is barely. Yeah. They've got some concepts. Yeah. And maybe some script, and the rest of it is barely, they've got some concepts and maybe some script and the rest of it is not done. And this person said there's no way that that movie is coming out then and everybody had been fully focused on Across the Spider-Verse

and barely crossing the finish line and now it's like, oh, yeah, now we have to do another one. Now let me ask you this. When are you going to break the news to your son, your very easily enraged son? I'll wake him up. I told him. Okay, good.

It's not coming up next year. I'll wake him up at 1 a.m. It's not coming up next year. I woke him up at 1 a.m. It's not coming out next year. It is, in fact, coming out maybe 2025. I thought you meant the news of all the- Oh, the animation. No, I meant the idea that- Well, I woke him up for that first thing, the animation last night, but I woke him up

tonight. Yeah, you should do that. Yeah, absolutely. But it might be 2025. It might be 2026. It's fine. He saw there's a new Transformers game coming out later this year, Bumblebee. We're getting an Optimus Prime origin movie

next year. He's got things to look forward to. He's got plenty of brands to keep him occupied. You can always build a pool in the backyard. I could always just build a pool. Anyway, Spum news. The little pants down. Young Lord pants down. Do you like

Spum? No. Like, ultimately. Do you like Spum? No. Like ultimately. Have you ever? Have you ever liked the Sony Pictures Universe of Marvel movies? Does that include the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies? No. They're like the mainline. Well, not mainline.

They're not spin-offs. Does Spider-Man, does the Spider-Verse movies count as Spum? I don't think so. I mean, technically, I guess. This is more like your Venoms, your Morbiuses. Yeah, I think in retrospect, and I haven't rewatched it since it came out in cinemas, but I remember enjoying Venom 1. That was fine, yeah.

Okay, so if it's Spum plus Tom Hardy, I'm on board. Okay, great. Spum-Hardy. Spum-Hardy, yeah. Hardy-Spum. Oh, that's good. You want that. So this week we've got a trailer for Craven, Friend of the Animals.

That's right. Craven WWF, but not the WWF you're interested in. The other one, yeah. That's right. So in this version of Craven, he accidentally gets mauled by a lion and then the lion's blood gets into one of the bites. I think the lion mauls him on purpose, though. I don't think that's an accident.

I don't think the lion's like, I'm terribly sorry. That's right. Yeah. Which don't think that's an accident. I don't think the lion's like, I'm terribly sorry. That's right. Yeah. I thought you were an antelope. Now, I know there's been various versions of Kraven or whatever, but isn't like the main version is he's just a hunter. He doesn't have animal seeing powers. No, but I think he has.

There's probably one with animal seeing powers. He definitely like has special herbs and he eats the herbs and he gets strong or whatever. Or he like hallucinates violently. Yeah, and I think there's a, if it's not Kraven's last heart, it's certainly an earlier one where he eats a bunch of spiders, I think. Yes. Because he wants to get in the mindset of Spider-Man

and get Spider-Man cows or whatever. But I think that's just a madman eating spiders. Yeah, I think it might be just a madman eating spiders. So in this one, a single drop of lion's blood gets into his blood. And it changes. You go into his DNA and it goes. Yeah, hell yeah. That's right.

Now, like, how do we do Morbius again? We simply must do Morbius again. How do we capture the success of Morbius? That's right. That's right. Because as far as we remember, we put it in cinemas and then it went away for a bit. Yeah. And then people demanded.

They said, woo. People demanded we bring it back to cinemas. So we brought it back to cinemas and then it went away again. Now, I don't remember many of the other circumstances but two releases has got to be good Avatar had multiple releases that's exactly right, Titanic as well Titanic had another big resurgence this year

so they're like okay, in the last one he got bit by bats and he got bat powers in this one he's going to get bit by lions and then he's going to grow a lion I hope, you know how they go into the DNA and there's like the red blood cells that they're swamped by lion vests? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm hoping for a scene where the blood goes in and then it goes into his DNA

and we go deep in and then it pulls back out and he's in a doctor's office and the doctor's like, I'm sorry, Mr. Craven, you have IBS now. And you were mauled by a lion. You were also mauled by a lion. You were also mauled by a lion. That's right. But you can't drink as much dairy anymore. Yeah. So Russell Crowe's here. He's original Craven.

I watched you watch this trailer again and you got stuck at a moment. You kept winding it back and going, look at this! Because he was wearing a leather jacket and he had a scarf on. He's like, he's tied that scarf like a necktie. It's like a necktie. He's like, he's tied that scarf like a necktie. It's like a necktie.

He's like a businessman with a scarf, Mason. What is that look? I don't know, man. I saw Russell Crowe retweeted something this week that was like, he's the father of Superman. Oh, yeah. And this guy. There's another superhero?

Yeah. Oh, he's in Thor. He is, of course. Yeah, he's Hercules' dad. He's Hercules' whatever dad, yeah. And he's like, yeah, strong DNA or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's in Thor. He is, of course. Yeah, he's Hercules' dad. Zeus' whatever dad, yeah. And he's like, yeah, strong DNA or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. No, he was Zeus.

He wasn't Zeus' dad. Anyway, to answer your question, I think maybe the scarf was on the day. They're just like, we're going to gussy this up a bit. Yeah. Let's put a scarf on him. Why isn't his dad wearing like, because he just looks like he's wearing like rich dentist hunting gear. Yeah.

You know? I guess, yeah. You know the guys can go and shoot a giraffe and everyone's like, boo, why'd you do that? I did it to prove that I'm the master of all animals, including the defenseless giraffe. That's why I shot it with a machine gun from a helicopter. Good point. I guess to this movie's credit, there's a couple of things.

They made it? They made it. Probably? They probably made it. It's probably. It's probably finished? On the way to being finished. On the way to being finished.

He's in the chair in the posters. Oh, yeah, nice. He's doing the big chair sit and he's got the vest or whatever. Yeah, great. It's pretty bloody? On the way to being finished. On the way to being finished. He's in the chair in the posters. Oh, yeah, nice. He's doing the big chair sit and he's got the vest or whatever. Yeah, great. It's pretty bloody, I guess. Like he bites off a guy's nose. That's not bad. He air traps a guy's head.

Okay. I like Aaron Taylor-Johnson. I like Aaron Taylor-Johnson. He's getting abs for this one, which is good. And I also, I want to know if you know the answer to this. Do you know why they call that guy the rhino? No. No.

We'll have to wait to find out, I guess. So do you think it's going to be one of those things where, like, every person has a little bit of animal DNA and it's just about unlocking the potential animal within you? Yes. Yeah. Do you reckon his brother's going to get powers as well at the end and there's going to be, like, a Kravenov?

Yeah, 100%. Why else would he have a brother? Yeah. Right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Anyway, his brother looks like a weedy little nerd, but maybe he'll come back in the next one and he's like, I'm big.

Maybe he's the rhino? Oh, no, the different guy, the guy with the wig is the rhino. Yeah, because you see the guy, the rhino, earlier in the movie, he's there when Kraven gets mauled. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. So anyway, find out when- Kraven, my brother, I've also got IBS now,

but it's even more powerful than your IBS. I can't even look at a glass of milk. Anyway, we're going to find out why everybody or anybody is called the Rhino on October 6th of this year. It's probably because you've got Rhino powers. We'll see. Let's not... All right. Okay. Look, you can say that now, but if you say it, that's not true. That means you've told a lie. Man. So you might want to hold off. Okay. All right. It's up to you, though. I'm going to have to go through some old episodes and get some editing done. Yes, yes, yes.

Now, Mason, the original release date of El Muerto, which is January 12th of next year. Oh, yeah? That's soon. Yeah, it's pretty soon, isn't it? I reckon they could turn it around in six months. Yeah, well, that's actually no more. Oh. So there was some leaked story beats this week, one being Tombstone was going to be the villain.

That was one thing. And then a bunch of other stuff about two people having masks, and I'm like, I think you stole that from us. I don't think anybody had any idea about this. I don't think the script was done. You're probably right. I think they just went, I heard this in a podcast. So apparently, also according to One Take News,

the star of this project, Bad Bunny, has left. And so that's it. That's Spum, baby. I was going to say. Bad Bunny got Spum'd. I would say for now, like do I want to say that's it for now or do you think that's it? Is this over?

That is it for sure because you need a person who would fit that role who also has like massive success outside of the role. Yeah. And that is probably a fairly slim range of potential actors there. Do you think they're – Yes. Do you think they have anything to do with the flash bombing? Yes.

Yeah? No. They're like, even if Batman – if a guy like Batman, a known character bombs, what chance do we have with this? This movie that we haven't been working on. But, I mean, also they did Kraven, didn't they? I mean, Kraven's mostly done. Kraven is mostly finished.

Yeah. I think they probably just went, there's nothing here. Yeah. Yeah. They probably read the four issues or whatever that he's in and went, okay, where's the rest? Yeah. Oh, there's no more.

That's interesting. Okay. Listen, we're all having fun with these Spum Universe movies. We absolutely are because, once again, it's not our money. Yes. But just do the Miles movie. Yeah. That's what you want to do. Just do the Miles movie, okay?

Just do another Tobey Maguire movie or whatever. Just put Spider-Man in a movie. Put Spider-Man in a movie. Okay. Do you reckon because apparently Aaron Taylor-Johnson called out Spider-Man and was like, I'm going to get you. Does he not know the Spider-Mans? Fictional?

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Do like, I'm going to get you. Does he not know the Spider-Mans? Fictional? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Do you think he's going to eat the spiders? Because there's a bit in the trailer where all the spiders are coming down. Do you think he's going to go, blam, blam, blam, blam? No. Okay.

Because his nemesis is not Spider-Man. Yeah. Because to the best of my knowledge, most of these people haven't met Spider-Man until the end of their movie. When they trip into his universe. Or they see him on TV or they think about him or whatever. Or the vulture tells you about Spider-Man. Do you think the spider bit is going to be towards the end?

And then that's going to be the hint. Maybe even post-credits, yeah. Whoa. Good stuff, man. I hope that that's true. I'm glad that they've showed it already. Speaking of Marvel, though, Mason. Go on.

By the wrap, apparently Marvel will skip Hall H this year. Skip Hall H? That's when they do the big thing in the shop and Robert Downey Jr. When is Comic Con? I don't know. That must be soon, right? Let me check. July?

Oh, it's finished. Oh, we missed it. No, it was July 25th. 25th. Okay. 20th to the 23rd. Okay, that's terrific. So, yeah, there you go.

Terrific. I'm loving it. I mean, I guess it's also what are they announcing? Their Avengers movies have both been delayed a year. Kang is up in the air. He's up in the air. Yeah, he died in the quantum realm, unfortunately. Yeah, because you know how you thought he was alive?

He's dead, though. He died. He died. He died. And so I think they're just, they don't need to announce anything at the moment. They need to figure out what they're going to do. I mean, maybe what they're doing is maybe they're going to announce

that everything is being made with AI now. Oh, wow. Do you want to talk about that? Yeah. We can talk about it during Secret Invasion, what we read. Oh, Secret Invasion. Let's talk about it in Secret Invasion. All right, cool.

A little sizzle there. And guess what? We're all in favour of it. Yep, we love it. Just kidding. No, I wasn't. So you can kid, but you can't lie. I think so.

Okay. All right. Well, you did. I think I have to immediately reveal that I was kidding. Okay. Thus undercutting the joke. Can you close the door? Like can you say a lie and then kid and then close the door so they can't hear you?

What I could do, I guess, I could say a bunch of lies. Yeah. And then just hold that in. And then later I could go out. Like a fart. Then I could go out into the street and scream. Like a fart? Yeah.

So you'd scream and fart in the street? I guess so, yeah. We'll see how it goes. Cool, man. Yeah. This next story is via Variety and it's part of David Zaslav's plan to strip Warner Brothers for parts. That's right.

Here we go. Which has been working. Very exciting. So I don't know if you know this, but apparently this is going to go towards the 49.5 billion debt that Warner Brothers has. Oh, they're still chipping away at that, are they? Apparently.

Wasn't he supposed to save like $3 billion this year or something like that? That was Disney. Was it? But also it might be him as well. I think it's also Warner Brothers. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. So they have $45 billion. What did you say?

$45 billion. $49.5 billion. $49.5 billion in debt. What are you doing? Why do you have this much debt? Why do you have this debt? They should billion. $49.5 billion. $49.5 billion in debt. What are you doing? Why do you have this much debt? Why do you have this debt? They should just shut this down. Well, I think they should.

I think they should let us have it. The debt? No, the other stuff. Oh, yeah. The other stuff. Just Batman. No, I'll take Batman. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'll take El Muerto. I know it's not Warner Brothers, but if they could buy it, then I want it. Imagine if one of us was $49.5 billion in debt. We'd get into a mess of trouble. We'd probably be killed. They'd bring back the death penalty for us. That's right. And rightly so.

I think so too. Because who let us get away with that? Right, yeah. But I mean they can just be like, well, we got it. We'll pay it off eventually somehow. I don't know. I guess. The world runs on debt, you know.

So Warner Brothers Discovery is negotiating a $500 million deal. Yeah, that'll make it an even 49. I'd say spend a half a billion more and make it an even 50. And then you can be the guys with $50 billion in debt and I think people would respect you. They would. I don't think you'd have to buy a drink for the rest of your life. You'd go to a bar and be like, I'm going to go to those $50 billion

and they'd be like, beers on me, brother. And that's a good thing because you don't have any money. Yeah. So you wouldn't be able to buy a drink anyway. You couldn't buy it anyway, yeah. So they're going to sell off $50 million worth of their film and TV music publishing assets. Oh, it's 50, not 500.

500, sorry. Yeah. The catalogue is believed to include – what does it matter? It doesn't, does it? The catalogue is believed to include... What does it matter? It doesn't, does it? The catalogue is believed to include music from films such as Purple Rain, Evita, Sweeney Todd, Rent, several Batman films and many more titles, as well as songs included in films such as As Time Goes By and Casablanca. Interesting. Is that a Street Fighter spin-off?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got a Casablanca. That's right. I've turned green and I've got electric powers. That's exactly right. How have I not seen this? I saw the Legend of Chun-Li movie. I haven't seen this one.

Yeah, no, it's really- I've got a case of Blanka. It's really good. So yeah, this is madness. Right? I mean, also I think a lot of this stuff, it's probably not worth that much, really. Like, what are you going to do with the music

from Rent and Casablanca? Put on a Casablanca Rent musical. Sure. Team them up. Rent a Casablanca Rent musical. Sure. Team them up. Rent-a-blanca. That's right. Casab-renter? I don't know.

Yeah. So anyway, good luck to them. Good luck to brands. Absolutely. Also, I believe they have more or less shut down or they're in the process of shutting down TCM, Turner Classic Movies. Oh, yeah. Which is the specialized channel for old movies and forgotten movies

and the star of the month and we show a marathon of all their movies and et cetera, et cetera. Can they cut the star from 90 to 20 or something like that, including all the big executives and all the people that came up with the ideas and the programming and et cetera. So all that's going to disappear fairly surely. That's great. Pretty good, right?

That should cover it then. Yeah, just throw all that away and we'll sort it, I think. We'll call it Even Stevens. Yeah, yeah. And again, a lot of that stuff is not available physically anymore unless you have that particular archive. Exactly. Great stuff.

Maybe they should do a charity drive. We'll all pitch in. I reckon we can do it. We're Warner Brothers. We're $49.5 billion in debt. We need your help. We made big mistakes.5 billion in debt and we need your help. We made big mistakes. And we're going to continue to make big, with your help,

we're going to continue to make more big mistakes. We're going to take your money and we're going to throw it away and there will be no consequences for us and we'll still ruin everything. That's what we do. Call in now. We're the worst. We've got all the Batman here. We've chained them to desks.

That's right. In other news, I don't know, this is sort of tangentially related, but did you see Paramount Plus is dumping a bunch of stuff from their streaming service? Oh yeah, I did just see that, yeah. Including the series Grease, The Rise of the Pink Ladies, the Grease prequel series.

I saw that. Which they're cancelling and removing from the streaming service. Good. Apparently. That's wild. That's right. Star Trek Prodigy. That's going as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, if they cancel that, how are we going to learn where they got the flying car?

Great question. Like who built the flying car in Greece, you know? This has got a 64% run tomatoes. That's not nothing, Mason. That's true. That's nearly good. That's slightly higher than Indiana Jones. What's that, a C?

Yeah. Yeah, great. D or C? It's a D. It's a D. Okay, great. Nice. D's all right. It's slightly higher than Indiana Jones. What's that, a C? Yeah. Yeah, great. D or C? It's a D. It's a D. Okay, great. Nice. D's all right.

It's a pass. D's make degrees or whatever they say. True. I'm proof of that. So, wow. Yeah. So that's just going to be a thing that happens. And it's not like any of these things, if you were invested in them,

are going to like turn up anywhere again. Turn up classic movies. Exactly. It might show up on like other streaming services. They'll go to Netflix maybe eventually for a minute. But, you know, and I know people might be like, well, who cares if any of these things, you know, disappear. I didn't like them or whatever.

But I think it does speak to like a larger problem. What about the greaseheads? Yeah, exactly. What about the greaseheads? Yeah. So, you know. Anyway, THR, This is great news. So remember the movie Space Jam?

Is it great news or are you doing your signature lying? No, no, this is good. You remember Space Jam 2 Legacy? Yeah, it's bad. Yeah. So the main villain in that. The algorithm. His name is Algy Rhythm.

Unbelievable. And the idea behind Algy Rhythm was that he wanted to create the perfect kind of. Entertainment slop. Yes. By combining different brands together. And the joke was that we'll put LeBron entertainment slop. Yes, by combining different brands together. And the joke was that we'll put LeBron James in Real Housewives or whatever. I can't remember.

Look, I saw the movie and, my God, who's responsible for that? Very cool. Well, LG Rhythm was responsible for it, obviously. That's exactly right. It wasn't any real people's fault. It wasn't any real executive's fault. Well, now it doesn't have to be either because Warner Brothers has signed a deal with Cineletic to

use their AI-driven project management system. So Warner Brothers will leverage the system's comprehensive data and predictive analytics to guide decision-making at the greenlight stage. The integrated online platform can assess the value of a star in any territory and how much a film is expected to make in

theaters and on any ancillary streams. Love that. So that's how we're going to get content over at Warner Brothers. That's terrific. You put Tim Burton plus Michael Keaton plus Ezra Miller plus time travel plus Back to the Future equals nothing. Equals no profit.

Oh, okay, great. They should have punched it into their algae rhythm. I think they should have said more profit. Yeah. They should have punched that in. Okay, okay, great. They should have punched it into their algae rhythm. I think they should have said more profit. Yeah. They should have punched that in. Okay, that's great. What do you think is going to come from this, do you reckon? Look.

I think they've employed this already. Yeah, I think so too. I mean Netflix. Because they signed, like this initial deal was like three years ago. Yeah, and Netflix have, I think one of the famous examples is that House of Cards came about because when Kevin Spacey wasn't a known criminal, he was just running about in the world. Yeah.

That, like, the idea behind that premium show, what was that one he did, House of Cards, was Kevin Spacey political thriller, whatever. Like, that was like an algorithmically generated property. So I think this has been happening. And I think, look, there's always going to be bad decisions and this is just going to contribute to that. It just might be funnier.

Oh, my God. it will be funnier. Once again, if we put this through the lens of not, you know. Not our money. Not our money. Unless you want to contribute. Yeah. Unless you want to be part of their charity drive. They'll put a donation box in front of your house.

My house? Yeah, your house. Oh, no. But, yeah, just. Not the burnt pants down estate. That's right. Oh, no. But, yeah, just – Not the burnt pants down estate. That's right. That's right. Yeah, so, you know, if you don't put it through the lens of, well,

the general state of entertainment from this company, this once storied legendary company is going to fall off a cliff and into a toilet. But instead, this isn't our money and there's plenty of other entertainment choices. Let's see where this goes. It is going to be very funny. Yeah, you're absolutely right.

And maybe this is actually one of the, maybe this is algorithmically generated. It wouldn't surprise me. Oh, here we go. Because over at, I want to say Universal, this is via Production Weekly, Fast and Furious Hobbs and Shaw, the spin-off. Just Hobbs?

No, it's not called Just Hobbs. Okay. It's called Fast and Furious Presents. This is the working title, Hobbs and Riaz, which is Jason Momoa's character, unless he has another brother. Huh. But I'm presuming that's what they're going to do here. This is, again, as we've talked about,

going to bridge the gap between the Fast X Part 1 and Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part 2. Great. So that's good. But they can't team up, those i don't know one's a crazy guy one blew up a dam that's right yeah um but also they probably went what's the what's the element of that movie that people liked jason momoa people like the rock's shame yeah and the it's right the rock's shameful walking back to a franchise with his tail between his legs yeah plus jason momoa

equals profit. Exactly. Plus didn't The Rock shoot Jason Momoa's dad in the head? Didn't he execute him on a bridge? He really didn't. He's mad about it. He's mad about it. Jason Momoa is mad about that. They'll team up to either break in or out of a prison. Yeah.

A maximum security detention facility. Okay. So, I mean, you've got two options here. If they're bridging the gap between X and X part two or 11 or whatever it is. Yeah. Then you've got two options here. If they're bridging the gap between X and X part two or 11 or whatever it is, then you've got two options. One is that it's Hobbes pursuing Reyes for an entire movie and the end result is nothing because Hobbes can't be defeated and Reyes still has to be the bad guy in 11.

So it's just them going in circles for two hours. Or it's they have to team up for some reason. Yeah. To fight a bigger bad guy. And then they go back to the dam at the end. Yeah. Actually, I gotta get back to the dam. Me too. I gotta rescue my friends who are in the plane that crashed or whatever. You shot down with a rocket launcher. Maybe we can carpool. Yeah, let's

carpool and then I'll go to the top of the dam and I'll laugh maniacally. Because that's my thing. Yep. And I'm loving it. So, presumably this movie will start off with with like Dominic Toretto's dead, I killed him, and now I'm going to get you, Hobbs, or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we'll find out at the end of the movie that Dominic Toretto survived and then in the next movie we'll find out how in a hot air balloon or whatever.

Oh, my God. On a jet-propelled hot air balloon. Oh, beautiful. So, yeah. What avenues have we yet to explore in the world of just transportation generally? Very good question. Maybe H.G. Walz's The Time Machine.

Maybe. Yeah. So what's fun about this is, Mason? Nothing. No. No, again, not our money. It could be fun. We've got to reposition our brains into the arena of it's not our money.

Yeah. And the algorithm is going to just ruin entertainment for years. Absolutely. It's going to be like 3D. Yeah. It's going to be like – you couldn't go into – when a movie came out, the majority of the sessions were in 3D for like a few years and you had to search your way to find a non-3D session.

I don't want to see Clash of the Titans at all or in 3D. Or you had to put the glasses on and have a miserable experience that gave you a headache. It's going to be that for a few years, just AI-generated slop. Yeah. Just got to push through it. Absolutely. Got to push through that slop.

There'll be something on the other side. That's right. We've got to push through a few years of Spum and slop. Yeah. And then we're going to get to the gold. It'll be like swimming through a grey goop. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Well, don't they say, you know, the ultimate danger of nanotechnology is it produces a grey goop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't they say the ultimate danger of nanotechnology is it produces a grey goo? Yeah. It just constantly replicates and it ruins the world with grey goo. Well, that's this, but for entertainment. Exactly. Yeah, grey goo effect. Grey goo is entertainment in a way.

Absolutely. Like a foam party. Like a gack. Like a gack, exactly. Like a flubber. Exactly. All right. This is via Wired.

People have seen Oppenheimer. Beep, boop, beep. It's coming through the modber. Exactly. All right. This is by Wyatt. People have seen Oppenheimer. Beep, boop, beep. It's coming through the modem. Yep. It's coming through Wyatt's big old modem. Wyatt, Christopher Nolan said, people saw my movie. Stop. He said some people leave the movie absolutely devastated.

They can't speak. They're devo. I mean, there's an element of fear that there is in the history and there is the underpinnings. But the love of the characters, the love of the relationships is as strong as I've ever done. Apparently, yeah, quite grim. Probably because it's about a nuclear explosion.

That's probably right. Some of the worst nuclear explosions, I think. So this is going to go up against Barbie. That's right. Which I think is, that week seems like people, I've noticed, and this is simply my experience and might not speak to like the wider audiences, but people. Well, after you do that, I'm going to speak to everybody's experience.

Okay, great. So go on. That people I know, normies, real people, real people with real lives and real jobs and don't do this nonsense. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure. They know that these movies are coming out and are excited to see them. As opposed to The Flash, I haven't had a single person in the real world mention that to me at all.

Same. Yeah. Interesting, right? And that's anecdotal. That is true. But also that is reflective of how The Flash is doing really badly. Anyway, you were going to speak for everybody. Go on.

Everybody's loving it and everybody's seeing The Flash. Everybody's seen it and loved it. They've seen it on a bus. They've seen it on a billboard. Yep. Oh, do you mean going into the cinema and seeing it? Yeah. Nobody that okay just us I think just us just us in that half-filled preview did you see the four comic book movies that Warner Brothers are releasing this year so it was the Flash, Shazam 2, um Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2 okay the amount of marketing they're spending on this is $1.1 billion.

Probably not enough. It seems like, well, it's not working so far, is it? I think Aquaman 2 is going to be strong. I don't think it's going to be as strong as the first one. No. That one is the highest grossing DC film. It's got like $1.3 billion. But that also, that doesn't make any sense.

No. You can't do anything with that information. That's true. It's not helpful. No. You can't do anything with that information. That's true. It's not helpful. No. And also we know, as big old DC heads over here, we know that Blue Beetle is the new dawn of the new DCU. It's the first one in the new DCU. But general audiences who make up that billion dollar profit,

they don't know. No. They don't know at all. That also might, I don't think it's going to do well. But who knows? Yeah. It could be a sleeperer hit but there might work to that movie's advantage the people don't know what that is oh that's true yeah i don't know superhero movie looks iron manny yeah but it also could be like you know there's been several movies the past few years one of them was like owen wilson is iron man and a dad or whatever yeah but that went straight to paramount yeah you're right so but there are movies where it's like I'm not seeing generic Iron Man

or generic Spider-Man. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't think it's going to do well, but, you know, who knows? I don't know. I don't speak for everybody and you do. Yeah, I do. That's true. And it will do well?

I don't think it'll do well, honestly, no. We'll find out. Because it also people, even if you were like this is a new beginning for the DCU, you'd be like, I think generally people would be like, yeah, but you still mention Batman and, you know, all this sort of stuff. So it feels still attached. Let's talk about Batman because The Flash is bombing so hard.

Oh, so hard. So for a number of reasons, and I wonder, this is anecdotal. Well, do your anecdote and then I'll speak for the entire world. Go for it. Do you think if they called this movie Batman Flashpoint, it would have done better? Not necessarily like a billion, but do you think putting Batman in the title of this would have changed it?

I don't know because so much of the marketing had Batman in it. All the posters have Batman in it, usually bigger than The Flash. But if you don't know when you're going into movies and you look up at the thing and it says The Flash, you're like, I don't know. But if you saw Batman Flashpoint. Yeah, probably, yeah. But is that how people go to movies now?

Do they go into the movie theater and go, what's good? I don't know. It's just anecdotal. What are you? Okay. Yeah. But I think, you know, like the Batman, for example, it's a new Batman.

That's true. It did very well, especially because of being a reboot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It did well regardless. But that movie was- That movie's also good. That movie was subtitled The Batman, brackets, The Batman Cracks His Head on a Bridge in a Little Squirrel Suit.

And people are like, I've got to see that. I've got to see that. Imagine you're sitting there, you're watching the scrolling text as you're waiting to see what movie. What's this? The Batman flies down in a squirrel suit and cracks his head on a bridge. All right. Is that a short or?

No, no, there's preamble to it and then there's a bit after. But that's what you want. That's what you're there for. Anyway, so apparently some people are talking about why The Flash looks terrible as a movie. And we talked about this last week. I don't think I'm going to spoil anything, but I don't need to. But just know that if you haven't seen it,

there's some things that will melt your brain. I think at this point, if you haven't seen it, maybe spoilers are the only thing that will drive you into the cinema. You might be like, oh, that's a cameo from whoever. Maybe I'll see that. Yeah, fair point. Or I'll see it on Twitter. Yeah, you can see it on Twitter.

Just to be clear also, the fidelity of those cameos is about the same watching on your phone. It might be better watching them on your phone actually. Because you won't be able to see the pixels. Exactly. So Zach Mulligan said, if it looks like a VFX shot in The Flash was made in a week, it's probably because it was. And we suspected this, but like there's some stuff in this that's just like

how did this, when did you start this? And it's probably what happened. They probably went last minute. Oh, can we squeeze this cameo in? And not to name any cameos but one of the cameos, one of the bigger cameos in it is a famous actor. I'm not going to spoil. And supposedly they were there.

Yeah. Even though the image itself of this person in this movie is, it looks like just an old production still that they've sort of brought to life with an app. And if they're there, maybe the person could have said something. Oh, you think? Oh, the character could have, yeah, maybe. Hello, I'm doing this action sequence.

Whoa, you know? It's Keanu Reeves. It's not. Also, in terms of numbers, we didn't mention this last week because we recorded a little bit early. We said it was projected for a $70 million opening, which was bad. Like, that's bad. And prior to that, the tracking was something like $110 to $140 million.

Yeah, they were thinking big. But this was just in the US, but it was a $55 million opening, which is worse than Black Adam. Ouch. I mean, we laughed at Black Adam. Yes. And we were like, why would you do this or whatever? But it seems like the success of that movie, and it wasn't

because it ended up about $400 million, it maybe broke even, was that what I think, like Dwayne Johnson really did drive whatever success of that movie that there was. That's true. And I feel like maybe we sold that short a little bit. Right. Especially just seeing this. And without the benefit of a very charismatic lead

just pushing the movie forward, it didn't get any traction at all. So maybe you want a lead in a movie who isn't a criminal is what you're saying. Allegedly you want that. Allegedly you don't want that. But anyway, in its second week, there is a 75% drop-off, and that is, I mean, again, horrendous. That is more than the 66% drop-off that Green Lantern did.

Oh, no. And that. That's the bad old days. That was a bad time in memory. Think about that movie. Think about it. That's all we had, and people still didn't go see it. So that also, it was expected that it was still going to be number one

the second week. Number one, baby. But it's not. Is it Spider-Verse? It's either going to be Elementals or Spider-Verse. And then that will be probably third. Again, early days. Who knows?

And also Elementals also, I should mention, is bombing also. It is also bombing. So this is just, what an incredible year. It's such a good year for this. And what it is, it's sort of a culmination of a bunch of different factors. I agree. And we've sort of hit saturation. Too woke is what you're saying.

Too woke, exactly right. And so the example with Elemental, we've talked about this before. Also, apparently it's all right. But that's the thing. We'll know in a few weeks. Because, you know, you can speak to this. I can only speak for the entire world, but you can speak to this as a family man.

Yeah. If you like, we've reached a point where people can go, okay, we can see this elemental movie. We can go to the cinema. We can take, you know, a couple of kids, popcorn, drinks, parking. I have to take some of my kids' friends as well. Exactly. I've got to put in an extra chair in the car.

You've got to organise all this stuff. It's going to take the entire day day you bring your bags of stuff you've got stuff for the kids and somebody will have a tantrum on the way out or whatever someone will do a big vomit exactly and it and all the kids it'll be me and all the kids are sick like in a kids movie everybody's sick and coughing and you're like well now now my kids are gonna be sick or whatever so it's like a you know 150 plus day for this thing that is going to be a disaster. No offence, you probably love your kids. I thought you meant the movie.

Oh, yeah, also. It's going to be a disaster. But like it's, you know, for a lot of families it's a huge investment in time and money or you wait 30 days and it's on Disney Plus for free. Everybody knows it's going to be there or $20 or whatever it is, which is still way less. People are just doing that. The only reason I am going to see this movie is because it is school holidays right yes claire is away and i need to fill days so i will take my kids and several others to see this movie and that's where that's where the money is coming from that's where

that's where they're gonna get me that's how they're gonna get you but again but i very much i would not have seen this like at all otherwise. That's true, yeah. Like even on streaming I probably wouldn't have watched this. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, Kevin Smith talked about on his podcast, Fat Man Beyond, I think it was that one, is that the plan was if this did as well as the Batman that they were building up to a, and we suspected this as well, a Batman Beyond movie with Michael Keaton.

Yes, right. So now we don't have that. Not going to get that, are we? Because also, you probably saw this week, there were some leaked images of Michael Keaton in Batgirl. I did see that, yeah. And it looks, I mean, apparently it's not good. I can't imagine it's worse than The Flash, though.

I mean, come on. And apparently, yeah, and I, you know, there were, I've seen on Twitter recently there were apparently some test screenings of it, but just, you know, big fans or what have you, or mystery screenings. It's a mystery movie, see what you think. And a lot of people were like, it's pretty good, and Brendan Fraser was great in it. Yeah.

And they went, nah. Yeah. He just won an Oscar. Nah. Nah. I mean, we know what they released. This is a tax write-off. That's true, yes.

We know that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, just the idea now that we're not going to get like a proper sequel to Batman Returns kind of sucks, you know? Yeah, yeah. Because you put that in the algorithm and it's going to say no now at this point. That's right.

But, you know, not everything needs a sequel and that is okay. But just the fact that they wasted it on this. Here's a movie idea for you. Yeah, yeah. Some people sneak into Warner Brothers to hack into the algorithm so it makes better movies. Oh, wow. That'd be pretty good, right?

I would love that. Yeah. Do you want to also do it in real life? Yeah. Just pour a bucket of water on it. That's right. Probably do it. That's right.

Oh, more Aquaman movies. Interesting. And Spum's doing a Hydro Man movie. Now, before we talk Netflix stuff, Mason, you're going to hate this. I bet I will. Hydro Man movie. Now, before we talk Netflix stuff, Mason, you're going to hate this. I bet I will. Indiana Jones 5 now has a fresh score on Rotten Tomatoes

at a 62% at time of recording. Guess what? I like that because we've seen it. We have seen it. We're not going to get into the specifics. We'll talk about it next week. Also, next week's episode will be about a day, maybe a bit less late because I will be not available to record in our normal times.

Interesting. So it'll be a little bit late. Most people won't be affected because they watch it, they'll listen to it like in their own time or whatever, but that immediate release will not be. You early birds consider listening to it in your own time, but later. Yeah, that's right. I will say this about Indiana Jones. I think a lot of people, like whatever you kind of bring to this

is what you're going to get out of it. Like for me, for example. I brought a whip. Yep, it was my most anticipated movie of the year and I thought it was going to be the best movie of the year and to me it was. Do you really think that? I'll talk about it next week.

But just get ready for some incredible thumbnails. They're already gearing up. Oh, yeah. You're absolutely right. That whole discourse is going to start again. I think it's going to be a little bit smaller because Indiana Jones isn't a property like Star Wars. That's true. It's gone sort of the

Terminator route. It's going to be Kathleen Kennedy with red glowing eyes and Harrison Ford going, and Phoebe Waller-Bridge is going like, I'm being feminism on you. That's right, exactly. That's right. I'm the first strong female lead in an Indiana Jones movie. I'm the first female character that has opinions and does stuff.

You better believe it. Look out. But also I'd say this, I don't know if it's necessarily going to bomb as hard as The Flash, but I don't necessarily know that this is going to. I'm very curious to see how this is going to be because it's just old guys, not just exclusively, but this isn't a young person's property. That's true. Yeah, I would say, in general.

Oh, shout out to a few of the people that we met at the screening as well. Oh, yeah. Which was really nice. Who did we meet? I think we met. I met Toby, who was really nice. We met Frank. Yep, we met Frank.

Delightful. There was a person sitting in front of us whose name we didn't get, but to that person sitting in front of us, hello. Good time. Yeah. I hope also Toby was doing work experience there and he was like, I don't know whether I'm going to be able to see this movie because it depends if there was a spare seat and there were lots of spare seats so i hope you got one yeah we also uh ran into gabby from

auntie donna's uh coffee cafe oh we did too yeah we don't know whether no no i said hello i like the show and then i kept moving she didn't even see me i was gone that's right. She was like, what show? Who are you? I'm the ghost that haunts the IMAX. All right. Big week for Netflix. Big Netflix week. Big week for Netflix. Yep. There's my Netflix.

There's a tattoo you can get. You get Netflix. Netflix. And the guy from Extraction. He would enjoy Netflix because he got shot in the neck that time. He's got that bullet hole in his neck. That's right. Jake Extraction.

He's back in action. Do you want to talk about. That's exactly what hole in his neck. That's right, Jake Extraction. He's back in action. Do you want to talk about? That's exactly what I wrote. Yeah. No, actually I wrote Jake Extraction is back. Jim? No. Anyway, we're going to talk about a little bit of Black Mirror

and a little bit of Jake Extraction. That's right. Which is Extraction 2 for Blue Wondering. No subtitle? No. No. But the eyes, there's two eyes. Extraction. Yawn. Okay, great.

God, J-Extraction, it's time for extraction. So it's Extraction 2. Yes. Great. Now the first J-Extraction, the budget was $65 million. Okay. I would say this would be bigger than that. It seems that there's a lot of stuff going on here which is either a complicated kind of

visual, not effect, but a complicated... Metaphor. No, it's real in terms of like it's happening. They use a lot of real stuff in this. That's true. They break a lot of windows. Glass and saws and bullets going in and out of people, etc. Obviously there is no

box office return of this, but it seems to be doing well enough that they've already announced Extraction 3. I didn't know that. That's happening. All people seems to be doing well enough that they've already announced Jake's Traction 3. Have they? I didn't know that. So that's happening. Wow. All people who are alive in these movies, or maybe not, will be returning. That's right.

Even if you think you're dead, guess what? You might be back for another Jake's Traction. That's right. Did we see you get cremated? Well, you could be back. That's right. Anyway, they're all back. Jake's Traction is back.

Yep. That lady is back. I forgot everybody else in this movie except Jake's Traction. Maybe her brother. Yep. That guy who is maybe her brother, he's back. Yep. That lady is back. I forgot everybody else in this movie except Jack Straction. Maybe her brother. Yep. That guy who is maybe her brother, he's back. Yep. Is this you telling us what the story was? Yeah, this is what it is. And, um, but this time, he's

got to do another extraction, but this time he's got to get a lady out of prison. Yep. And is her husband out for revenge from the first movie? I don't know. I don't remember. I don't think that's related. No, I think it's unrelated. This is a separate Jake Straction.

Separate Extraction, but he's still like Eastern European and he's a big tough guy with the neck tattoos. That's right. So watch out. I enjoyed Jake Straction too. Me too. I enjoyed it quite a bit. I only watched it yesterday.

I finally got around to it because I was like, I'm going to watch it closer to when we record so then I'll remember more of it. I love that. But I left it too close, Mason. No, so it didn't even sink in. I was stressed. So you're like there was light and colour,

but that's all I remember. It hasn't penetrated my brain yet. It's just still rattling around in my eyeballs. That's right. What I like about Jake's direction is, the character of, is that I like how he just is unashamedly a diddly Australian. Oh, yeah, nice. He's watching the footy.

He's watching the Dancing with the Stars, which Chris Hemsworth once did. One point he says to a bloke, get a dog up here. Didn't he? Yeah, that's exactly right. It's up to the credits. He's got one of those Australian dogs, which is just like, what kind of dog in this?

I don't know. It's a dog. He's got one of those dogs. That's perfect. That's right. Which is the best kind of dog. I think he should have had like a ratty mullet and a mustache oh yeah great that would make him very australian

currently yeah that's the most current australian haircut facial hair that's what you can do yeah exactly so yeah all in all it's um there's a lot there's some stuff in this that i like the big action set piece the one that they're kind of selling this on. The prison break. It's the 21-minute one-er. And this isn't really a spoiler, but that happens relatively early on in the movie. It is the extraction. Yeah. It's the initial extraction.

And then there's other things that happen afterwards. But I feel, so I was like, oh, they've done the big thing already. I wonder what else this has to offer post this. And there is still plenty happening. That's true. On the back end of the 21 minutes. So how do you feel about the return of Jake's direction being that he was shot in the neck and he fell off a bridge and he died? Oh, yeah.

And then he went into a coma. Yeah, yeah. Then he came back. Well, then a very special celebrity cameo is like, you should come back and do another extraction. And he said, well, you should come back and do another Thor movie. That's right. Oh, no.

I think I died. I hope I die. I hope I died in the Thor movies. I don't want to come back. Give me a bigger role. I don't know. And then he's like, well, I'm not in shape to do another extraction, so what I should do is I should have a very short Rocky montage.

Rocky Thor montage. Or I push some logs up a hill or whatever. I break some rocks. That's right. I build in a wall. Take my cast off. Yep. I do ropes.

And then I'm ready. I do ropes. I check the center app. Yep. And I'm good. I'm good to go. And then I'm ready. I do ropes. I check the centre app. Yep. And I'm good. I'm good to go. It says, yep, get those knees up. That's right. And I got those knees up. I got those knees up and now I'm ready to kill everybody on earth. Do I need this knee brace anymore? Nah. No. Nah, you're good, mate. Now, I love in movies,

just in general, I love prison break movies. Sure. And what I thought was going to happen here, I thought the movie was going to be Jake Strachan, whose real name is Tyler Rake, legally. Interesting. Do you think he's related to Rake from the TV series Rake? Yes, even though TV show Rake, his name's not really Rake. But, yes, they are related.

Interesting. I thought he was going to be put into the prison and then he'd become part of the prison community and then he'd do his Jake Strachan. Join some clubs, for example, in the prison. Exactly. Maybe he joins the library club. Yeah, yeah.

Maybe he gets his degree in mathematics. He joins the escapology club. He joins the builder battering ram club. But what he actually does is just run it. He sure does. The team comes in. Well, it's Eastern Europe, I guess. Yeah.

The team goes in all guns blazing. Yep, boy, do that. They're like, well, just load yourself up with guns and guess. Yeah. The team goes in all guns blazing. Yep, boy, do that. They're like, well, just load yourself up with guns and grenades. Yeah. Well, there's a big tunnel underneath the prison. We'll just go in. Yep. And we'll shoot everybody.

And from the moment he enters the prison, it's a one-er technically where it's not actually a one-er but it's a series of. We follow the action. Yeah. There's no cuts. No. Ish. There are some pretty obvious cuts within it, yeah.

One's smoother than others, obviously, but no, it works. It's not like – yeah. I mean, there's nothing – there's no point where Jake's traction is like, what's happening over there? And the camera swings over. I don't know, a man doing a dance. Or it's just him again. Just cuts to him again doing a different thing.

Yeah. But I thought, no, it worked really well for me. And, like, the coordination of that is incredible and the action sequences and the fight choreography. Apparently Chris Hemsworth learnt, like, 2005 had a different choreography moves or whatever, which doesn't surprise me. He did Dancing with the Stars, so he would know how to do

choreography. And he's seen those bloody legends of the game, you know, getting a big specky. They'll do a big specky. That's a beautiful move, isn't it? It is. You've got to get up there. That's right.

You've got to do a big specky. Like a gazaley. You've got to get up there, a gazaley. But, yeah, there's a moment also where he's out in, like, the prison yard while a riot is going on and it's literally like 400 people. Yeah. And he shoots 300 of them. Just falling over each other and hitting each other with bricks

and whatever. And he's among it with his family. It's probably some of those dudes like, why didn't we do this before? This is easy and fun. We'll just push these guards over. We'll leave. There's probably one of the most famous bits that they've talked about

is that at one point his arm is lit on fire and then the action continues. And that is real, like he did. I think there is some visual effects enhancement going on there. Sure, sure. But yeah, they actually do like Chris Hemsworth's arm on fire in that bit. And then from there it goes to a car chase and then on top of a train. What I didn't realise about that top of the train sequence, and this is stuff in the trailer, is that the helicopter moments are real.

They're really landing helicopters on the roof of the train. Wow. Bad guys are pouring. Like they're on the train. It's crazy. Like the stuff that they're actually, you know, doing in these movies. Because if this was like, I don't know, a Fast and Furious movie, I guess it wouldn't.

Or The Grey Man. Or The Grey Man, yeah. Which is also a Russo production. It's also a Russo joint. Yeah. So this is Sam Hargrave who was, I don't know if he still is, but he's a stuntman. I think he doubled Captain America for some of it at least.

And, yeah, now he makes movies in addition to Mason. And he has a big beard. That's great. He goes like that. But just the idea of like Chris Hemsworth's on top of a helicopter and he's got the minigun. We'll talk about minigun minutes. And that helicopter is like really there, like the blades are just like.

And Chris Hemsworth really shot it down. They had the budget for it. Yep, that's right. They had the budget to kill all those men. How did you feel about that minigun minute, Mason? Pretty solid. Well, there's two minigun minutes because there's a bit where he holds it for like, but he only holds it for like 10 seconds.

Yeah, well, that's enough to shoot down a helicopter. So you're okay with that one? Yeah. Okay. He shoots down a helicopter. He kills a bunch. You see the men die in it? Yeah.

That's good. It's a proper minigun. I don't know why it's on the roof of a train. Who cares? Yeah. It's not important. 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10.

And what about the minigun with the, because they also have a minigun at one point. That's true. Where they're shooting through a building. Remember when he's hiding behind kitchen cabinets? Not as good. Shades of the original Matrix. Oh, yeah. That's true. Where they're shooting through a building. Remember when he's hiding behind kitchen cabinets? Not as good. Shades of the original Matrix. Oh, yeah. I love the original Matrix.

But, I mean, that one's zero out of ten because it's like they're hiding behind a kitchen island or whatever. An Ikea. That's right. They're hiding behind a Bjorn or whatever. Yeah. And it's just all the armor-piercing bullets are just bouncing off it. Absolutely.

So zero out of ten. So final score, zero out of ten for that movie. Because if you times zero by any number. It's zero. It's zero. And that's how it works. Yeah. Do you think there was much stuff though after the one that kind of kept your interest?

Or do you think that was like. I mean, I did find myself invested in these characters that I forgot were in the first movie. Yeah, totally. I like this lady and maybe her brother. Yeah. They're pretty cool. Yeah. I like them. Because it kind of seems like, and maybe it was in the first movie. Yeah, totally. I like this lady and maybe her brother. Yeah. They're pretty cool. Yeah.

I like them. Because he kind of seems like, and maybe it was in the first one, I don't remember, like a fancy kind of like rich kind of kid. But he's also does big extractions. He's good at murders. Yeah. He's good at extractions and murders as well. And fashion.

And fashion. I think that's cool. I like that. Yeah, I think also. Finally, a character I can relate to. It's interesting because the way that they do action in this there's that one

and then the back end and then there's kind of two major action extended sequences but the one on the back end of the movie that's just shot like traditional action

I guess you'd call it but I think that works to this film's advantage that there's like doing things two different ways and there's sections

within that second sequence which I really like there's a moment where he's in the gym and he's just beating people with weights and cables and and all of that i think it's pretty creative there's a moment where he punches a guy onto a treadmill and he yeah he checks the center app and he's like brain keep my knees up brain this guy with a weight and keep my knees up how many calories have i burned so yeah i don't know i

think it's it's interesting that it's like it's like you do your style of WANA and then it's kind of the best or biggest version of that you could do. And then I think also of like traditional action, it does like a really good example of that also. I would love to know if the muzzle flashes and et cetera. Are these real guns or are they? I don't know. Is he miming it?

I'd say probably. I mean, they got kick to them. Like often the guns they use now, they might be airsoft where they'll kick a little bit. Yeah, right, right, right. And there might be a little flash in the end or whatever. But, yeah, like the John Wick situation. The John Wick situation. Yeah.

The Wick-suation. The Wick-suation. There's quite a tense moment on like a glass kind of – what is it? A roof? Yes. A balustrade. A balustrade. I don't know if that's true. Yeah, sure. And, a roof? Yes, a balustrade. A balustrade. I don't know if that's true.

Yeah, sure, and that's fun. That's a good moment. Yeah, it's a memorable moment as opposed to, again, like The Grey Man which had no, like its namesake, not memorable. No, you haven't. I've seen it. I knew one of us had seen it. Yeah, the only memorable moment in that movie is there's an action sequence

on a tram and that's the only reason I remember it. you're in it yeah because i'm in it keep it down make sure to but at the same time i'm like uh that tram the tram wouldn't keep going if there was nobody driving in it because there's a safety switch what if you put a brick under the safety switch he doesn't put a brick on the safety switch he doesn't have a brick on him if ryan gosling was like good thing i bought this brick yeah i can put it on the safety switch. He doesn't have a brick on him. If Ryan Gosling was like, good thing I bought this brick. I can put it on the safety switch of the tram. Was this before or after he got his gray man powers? Oh, this is after he got his gray man powers

and he can conjure up as many bricks as he wants. Gray bricks. Nothing about that. Like he doesn't even have a signature look. The gray man? The gray man. Like, you know, I'm talking like Gosling, you know, in Drive he's got the scorpion jacket or whatever.

Do you think they should have just given him the scorpion give him the scorpion jacket but it's a gray scorpion yeah but like is it just like a tactical kind of no he's just he's wearing a dirty tracksuit the whole time the entire well at the start of the movie he's got like a red suit on because he's going to a nightclub because he's got to kill a guy in a nightclub does he and then after yes and then he kills drazik not drazik he kills drazik that's right and but then then he kills Drasic. Not Drasic. He kills Drasic. I'm not that guy. That's right. But then he's on the run later and he just puts on a dirty tracksuit. He was wearing a dirty tracksuit for the entire movie.

Great man. Maybe that's why they put on grey track pants. Yes. There you go. Okay. That's his signature look. That's great. Grey sweatpants.

They should call him the great man. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, I don't really have much to say about this. I like that they brought in his wife, Olga Kurylenko. So because the story of Jake's Traction is that in the first movie is that his son had cancer and he wasn't there when his son passed away. He couldn't handle it.

That's right. And so he left to do a Jake's Traction. That's right. And it's something that he lives with deep regret. And I think it did a good job of putting in enough character moments where you're like you understand the character of Jake's traction and you do feel for him. And Chris Hemsworth, he can do some emotional acting.

He can do some emotional acting and there's a moment where he's talking to the son of the woman he extractioned. And he's like, come on, mate. Get up. Come on, mate. Come on, mate. Trying my best, mate. Get a dog up here, mate.

Dog up here, mate. That's how he talks. Yeah, that's mate. Get a dog up here, mate. Get a dog up here, mate. Yeah. That's how he talks. Yeah, that's right. That's how he is. Yeah. I know you want the relationship with your dad to work, but she's cactus, mate.

She's just cactus, all right? It's rooted. Yeah. Australia. Australia. So, yeah. And good fist fights. Yeah.

You know, it does all the action stuff well. There's a moment where he, like, splits a guy's hand, like, down the middle And good fist fights. Yeah. You know, it does all the action stuff well. There's a moment where he like splits a guy's hand like down the middle. That's right. He gets hit with like a saw at one point. But it's just kind of like you see it like press into his arm. Yeah. He's using all sorts of – Very solid.

I think this is worth the price of admission for Netflix this month, I think. Yeah, exactly. They should do a day pass for Netflix. Two bucks and you get Netflix for 24 hours. And you cram in as much as you can in that 24 hours. You don't sleep. You just watch Netflix. You watch Extraction and then Extraction 2.

So, yeah, I guess look forward to Jay Extraction in three years, I'm assuming. Jay Extraction. Three Extractions. Yeah, good. I don't have much else to say about that, but it's good. It is good. Best Netflix streaming movie ever.

Yeah, and there's not a lot of them. There's this and there's the other extraction movie. What are the other action movies on Netflix which are good? I'm going to open up Netflix. FUBAR is getting a second season. Second season of FUBAR, the show that I thought was a movie. That's great, man. Isn't it just?

Oh, God. Was Triple Frontier from that? Yeah. Red't it just? Oh, God. Was Triple Frontier from that? Yeah. Red Notice? Yeah, that's good. Is it? So, I mean, we've talked about the strike for a bunch. What's interesting about the Writers Guild strike is that one of the things

that the studios don't seem to want and the streamers don't seem to want to divulge, like they're not budging on it, is how much people are actually, like the actual numbers, who's actually watching this stuff. Because Red Notice is apparently it's at 230 million hours or something. I believe it. I believe it. And people are like, why aren't they releasing the numbers? Is it because they're low or is it because they're high?

And the answer is it's both, I would imagine. Because I bet there's some stuff where people went, you know, like where they went, okay, everybody watched this and everybody talked about it. It's got a billion streaming minutes or whatever it is. Yeah. And they cancelled it because the algorithm said no. And there'd be stuff like Red Notice which nobody watched.

But if they admit to their investors that they paid Ryan Reynolds, The Rock and Gal Gadot like $50 billion to be in this movie and nobody watched it, they're in trouble. So they have to keep that number high and the other number low and when it's revealed that it's actually reversed, they're in a lot of trouble kind of thing. So I'm excited for that. I'm excited for when somebody leaks that. Absolutely.

Here's some Netflix action stuff. Did you just go to Netflix and write an action movie? Exclusive. So there's The Old Guard. Oh, yeah, that was good. I liked that. Yeah, I didn't mind that. The Heart of They Fall. I liked The Heart of They Fall, actually. Oh, that was good too. The Western, yeah. Triple Frontier.

I didn't mind. I thought it was okay. Terrific. What about this one, Mason? Army of the Dead. I didn't like that. I thought it was bad. I thought the first five minutes was fun. Here's one you liked, though. Here's one you liked. Bright. No, that was bad. What about The Atom Project? Another Ryan Reynolds banger. Oh yeah, another one where you got $50 million. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Outlaw King was alright. How about this? likes though here's one you liked bright no that was bad what about the adam project another ryan reynolds oh yeah another one we got 50 million dollars yeah yeah yeah outlaw king was all right and but this spencer confidential with mark warburg what about defied five bloods that was

all right actually that wasn't really an action movie but yeah what about six underground that's another ryan reynolds joint and a good movie didn't you like that one maybe actually what about the i was on the cusp for that one, I think. No, you hated it. It was a Michael Bay one. Yeah, I remember. What about the movie Ghosted? No, that's Apple. That's Apple, Mason. Yeah, I know. That's why I haven't seen it. And also, I heard it was bad.

I heard it was very bad and forgettable. Don't judge movies on what I and other people say. Okay. Spend money and see them yourself. Great. Give us the day pass, Netflix. Stop with this, oh, we're going to know when your family uses your Netflix account. We're going to ban you or whatever.

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Wow. Should we move it along? Yes. All right. We're going to talk about another Netflix thing. Yes. It's called Black Mirror Season 6. That All right, we're going to talk about another Netflix thing. Yes. It's called Black Mirror Season 6. That's right. Are we going to spoil these? How can we do this? All right, let's talk overall about the season,

whether we liked the season, and then we'll break down the episodes individually and then we'll be like, was this better than Season 5? So I'm going to look up Season 5 so I remember what happened in Season 5. Well, I think overall this was a pretty strong series of Black Mirror. So this was only five episodes. It was. Which is less than a previous season, but it's more than the first season, which was three. Yes. I also think it leaned into, often, away from technology. Some explicitly,

like Black Mirror now seems to be anything. Well, so here's the thing. Which is, I don't mind. No, I don't mind either. And I think perhaps the middle seasons we all got the idea that Black Mirror was exclusively about technology and the overuse of technology. And your wife's turned into a phone.

Exactly. What if phones were too much? Yeah, what if? I think the original intent of Black Mirror was probably like, I don't know if Charlie Brooker has said this exclusively, Creative Black Mirror was just like a twilight zone. Yeah, he has said that. What if a weird thing happened?

Like the first episode of Black Mirror is not strictly speaking about the Prime Minister one. No, it's about society. It's about society. And rooting a pig. It's also that. But there is technology in it. Like the government tries to find a loophole in this.

And it's about social media, et cetera. It's about social media and et cetera. But it's not like, what if phones were too much? I guess it kind of is. But, I mean, I think, you know, it's like the Twilight Zone in that what the episode should be about is like how does this reflect on us as a society even if it is not strictly about phones. Yeah. You know, so and this I think is kind of that. And also most of them have either been contemporary or in the future.

Yeah. And this season has a couple of. There's some like alternate reality ones going on. Yas. Yeah, Yas. Yas. Slay Charlie Brooker. Yeah.

But no, I thought, I mean, just thinking about season five, and I think this is the Miley Cyrus one, there was the Striking Vipers one. I think this is a stronger season than season five, just from memory. Am I wrong in that? Okay, by comparison. Yeah. Actually, you know what, I'm just going to say I like the new takes on stuff. Some of it was, I mean mean it suffers from the same thing

that previous seasons of Black Mirror have suffered from, I think, but I guess it's more on me than it is on the show, which is once they have established the premise, the brain goes, what's the twist here? Yeah, okay, yeah. And then you can – like most of these I think you can probably predict what is going to happen. As soon as the set-up happens.

Based on who's in it. Yeah, based on who's in it and the set-up and you go, oh, I wouldn't have done that because this is going to happen and then it absolutely does happen. But to me this isn't, these episodes, it's not really so much dependent on the twist. Season five, only three episodes. Yeah, only three, yeah.

Smithereens, Rachel, Jack and Ashley too and Striking Climbers. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think it's more in like the execution and the performances and the right like even if like a couple of these I'm like, well, I think this is going to happen and it did except for episode five. Yes. Maisie Day, which I did not predict. Okay, yeah, great.

Yeah, look, I'm going to say absolutely worth the watch. I thought it was really good. And again, I don't. I think it was only three the last one because they did Bandersnatch. Oh, yeah. And then there was three. I really like Bandersnatch. I thought it was.

I seemingly am in the minority. I like the idea of it, but I didn't. Oh, yeah. So there was like six months between Bandersnatch and then season five. All right. And then pandemic, et cetera, and everybody got depressed, and then it didn't happen. That's right.

All right. Let's break it down. Big time spoilers. Season one. Season six, rather. Yeah. Season one. He roots the pig.

Oh, okay. We're doing that? Yep. Okay. Episode two. Yeah. He does a reality show. Oh, we're doing all of them.

No, I don't remember what I was going to say. Okay, season six. Okay, first one showed us awful. It's about AI-generated content. Yes. This is a big leap. I mean, the thing about this is that, you know, it's a little dig at Netflix,

but how deep can the dig go if Netflix is approving it? You know what I mean? It's the same thing when Warner Brothers went, well, the algorithm's pretty bad, isn't it? Or even a lot of people are, you know, they're very, um, a lot of people are very rude, but a lot of people said of the matrix resurrections. Yeah.

Oh my God. They took a shot on Warner brothers. Cause they said the thing about the sequel. It's like, well, they, they paid for this and they made it. So they're not going to really, you know,

to the extent they care about it, they're not going to let you got them though. They got it. They absolutely got it. But this one, it's so, um, a woman,

uh, who's the lady from Schitt's Creek discovers that Streamberry, which is their universe's version of Netflix, is making a reality. It also has the same noise. It's true. He's making a drama called Joan is Awful, seemingly about her, but it's a slightly worse version of her.

Yeah. Not by much, but yes. That's right. And it seems to be being made very, very rapidly. Yeah. And so she. Like how is this even possible? Exactly.

Is it predicting the future? Exactly, and it ruins her relationship and it ruins her work life. Yeah. And then she goes to Streamberry and she discovers that – or she goes to her lawyers and she finds that, in fact, she agreed by signing up to Streamberry that they're allowed to use her likeness and her life to make an algorithmically generated show. You know,

your phones and whatever to, to generate data on you to build the show and the people in the show aren't actually in the show. Cause so the show that she watching, she's played by Summer Hayek, but it's not actually Summer Hayek. It's Summer Hayek has given away her likeness. She's sold it to them.

Yeah. And then Summer Hayek comes into the show as herself, you think, and then it's like, yeah, trying to also combat this situation this this episode i thought was interesting because just throw your phone away well let's see that my my my initial when when as soon as the episode wrapped up my first thought was the the i think the best dig at this show would have been the best dig at netflix would have been that the best dig at Netflix would have been that this ruins her life and then even though everybody in the world watched it,

a month later they cancel it and delete it. Yeah. Like that would have been, I think that would have been, but I don't think Netflix would never have, because that hits too hard. Yeah. It hits too close to home, I think. But this one I'm like, okay, this is pretty entertaining, but I think the twist I enjoyed a lot, which is when we get to –

her and the real Salma Hayek decide to go to Streamberry and destroy the computer that is creating these algorithmic – Algorithms. Algorithms. That's right. Also, the idea is to build like a show for everybody. Yeah, right. Everybody has a show that's specifically about them

that's algorithm generated, which is like fed back to them that's right yeah and so she goes to destroy the uh computer that is creating this only to discover that she is actually not the original joan yeah she is this entire her entire reality is inside a computer uh she realizes that when she runs into michael cera yeah who is like no michael cera sold his likeness rights to become the nerd in the in the computer lab or whatever it is. It was a bit of fun. I liked seeing him. That was great.

Yeah. Yeah, I think I liked it overall. I think it was like a, it's a bit, it's just a bit of a fun one. I don't think it's like, you know, and it's a comment on, are we going to talk about whether society is a phone, obviously? Society is a phone in this one? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, society is definitely a phone in this one? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, society is definitely a phone in this one.

But that being said, there's no way that legally this would be allowed. No. Yeah. You could just, I mean, you know, people sign waivers on things. Like you sign the thing that says ticket box. It's the reasonable person test, James. A reasonable person would not expect signing up to a streaming service would allow them to make a show about you.

But I'm an unreasonable person. How does that help me? Not very unreasonable. How does that help me? You're stuffed. You're stuffed, mate make a show about you. But I'm an unreasonable person. How does that help me? Very unreasonable. How does that help me? Oh, you're stuffed. You're stuffed, mate. You're cactus, mate. I'm cactus.

Episode two, a little bit less fun. Yeah. Because it's seemingly based on a lot of real life, awful serial killers, including a British couple whose names I cannot recall right now, who are the worst people in the world. Yep. But this is- From Locke Henry. Locke Henry.

So a couple- This is probably the most traditional like British black – Oh, this is so British. It's Scottish, but, you know, but yes. Yeah, and it's not super technology-based. No. Although technology plays a part. So it's a couple.

They are film students and they are going to go to – they're travelling across Scotland to film an interview with a man who protects eggs. They're making a documentary. But in the meantime, they decide to go to the man's hometown, make a little trip, at which point the girlfriend learns that this sleepy little town has been largely abandoned because there was a horrible serial killer back in the day. And so nobody wants to visit. Back in the good old days. And so they're like, well, why don't we make a documentary a horrible serial killer back in the day. And so nobody wants to visit.

Back in the good old days. And so they're like, well, why don't we make a documentary about the serial killer? And his family was involved. Like his dad was indirectly killed by the serial killer and whatever. It's this black cloud that's kind of hung over the town for decades. Oh, it's like a black mirror. It is a bit, isn't it?

I also think like this is, and I watched a Charlie Brooker interview, well, about this season, but also there's a bit where he talks bit isn't it i also think like this this is and i watched a charlie booker interview well about this season but also there's a bit where he talks about this episode specifically um because he was on site i don't know if he directed this one i can't remember but he was on site for it and basically the idea is that this is their commentary on the streaming services like the way that they put together these true crime stuff and all the time they won't have footage of a particular thing so they'll just they'll be saying horrible things while there's a drone shot of a beautiful forest or whatever. So he's saying that like this idea of true crime in the past,

it used to be like Britain's worst murderers and whatever and it's just like, you know, and you see a newspaper covered in blood and whatever and he's like that hasn't gone away. There's just the art form of like I guess like independent, you know, independent like filmmaking and all of that and all these different directorial techniques have now just made their way into just this stuff. So it's just grisly murders just shot beautifully.

Yeah, and there's a moment in this where, and it's sort of the linchpin for the discovery of the twist where. I mean, you know that's coming, right? No, exactly. Yeah, where Pia, who's the girlfriend, is like, oh, we should use this old handy cam with the VHS tapes because it'll give us a kind of grainy look and it'll make it appear as if it's retro archive footage kind of thing, at which point she discovers while digitising that

that actually the boyfriend's mum and dad were also involved in the murders. They were doing big murders. They were doing big murders. And with sex stuff and whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This one definitely felt like early Black Mirror though, you know, just an awful British thing happening. Yeah, yeah, and the end, you know, the man gets, you know,

his girlfriend dies and he thinks she's been murdered by his mum. In fact, she just went off into the moors and she fell over. I don't even think like his mum who who was awful, would have killed her. Right. Like I don't even think that was what she was. Like that's not what she was about. Yeah. But then, of course, he gained success in the – but it's ruined his life,

of course. And success. That's so British. And the town comes back and whatever to life because it's now this side of this historical thing. Good outcome for the mate. Great, great. It's Podrick from Game of Thrones.

Ah. But, yeah, it also – I think it also speaks to what you were talking about, how they're already moving on to the next thing. Like he was there when they got the award and he's on board as a producer, but the streaming service, which is basically Netflix, they drag him through this whole thing and interview him so he becomes the subject of the documentary and then it's going to become a series on Netflix.

Like, you know, they're going to reenact it with actors and whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so they've kind of moved on from him. Like the story itself is now, it's not his, it's the services. It's the services. To tell and do whatever they want with. And if you go back and you look at Joan is Afraid, Joan is awful, when she goes through the stuff to look at, they're going to watch that.

It's in there,. It's in there. The documentary's in there. With his face on it? Like, brr? Yeah, I think so. Brr. Fred and Rose West. They're the British serial killers.

Don't look them up. I wasn't going to. Well, you shouldn't. It's not cool. It's not cool what they did. Number. I like, oh, Society's a phone? Society's a little bit of a phone, I think, yeah.

Society's a streaming service. It's bigger than a phone. Yeah. It's the streaming service. You're absolutely right. Episode three, Beyond the Sea, this one took me the longest, I think, to figure out what the premise was. Yeah.

And this one also felt very much like an Outer Limits episode or a Twilight Zone episode. So in this episode, there's two men. They live with their families in separate places in sort of rural locations. And people are like, wow, what are you doing here? How are you doing this? And we're like, what's going on?

Are they ghosts? Maybe they're ghosts. Did you think they were ghosts? No. I thought they were ghosts, Mason. Anyway, and they're living their lives, but occasionally they get a little notification on their special watches.

Get back to your spaceship. That's right. Get back in your spaceship. That's right. Get back in your spaceship. Get out of your robot body. Get in your spaceship. They get in the room, and then they wake up on a spaceship, and they do various activities on a spaceship. Yeah. And I spent most of this going like, which part of this is a computer simulation?

Oh, yeah. Is it the 60s? Yeah. Or is it the spaceship? Which is the computer simulation? But it turns out neither is the situation. It's the simulation. It's an alternate 1960s where instead of landing on the moon,

I guess they had a, they're just exploring space in some way. They'd already done that. And they're using human, what are they called? Replica, android bodies. So you can basically stay on earth in your android body and transmit your mind and just have your family and whatever and do all of that and live a normal life, but then you're also in space. I guess my question is, why not just have the androids in space

and stay on Earth? Because then the episode wouldn't happen. But also, I guess you could go, well, they require more energy. Like the robot bodies maybe require more energy than can be gained on the spaceship. So, yeah, that was awesome. Put a charger in. That was my and everyone's first thing. Put a charger in. Put some solar panels in. Put a bigger battery.

They didn't have battery, James, they didn't have proper batteries back then. They only had perfect batteries because of human bodies. But then, of course, Josh Hartnett's family is killed and his robot body is destroyed. So he's stranded up in the spaceship. I'm a Cooley Culkin's brother. How dare he? But not the one you're thinking of.

No, that's right. Rory? Maybe. Yeah. So he's up in the spaceship. There's still four years to go on this mission, and he's all alone and sad and like, my family's dead. Wah, wah.

I'm Josh Hartnett. Wah, wah, wah. Exactly. So Aaron Paul's like, talks to his wife and he's like, maybe he could go down and visit us in my android body. And she's like, great idea. But guess what? It was a bad idea.

That's right. Because? Well, he gets used to it, doesn't he? And he's a bit sexy. And she's like, great idea. But guess what? It was a bad idea. That's right. Because? Well, he gets used to it, doesn't he? And he's a bit sexy. And he's a bit sexy. He's a bit sexy, that guy. He's got a sexy spirit. And he's using Aaron Paul's sexy body.

That's right. Which I did not like. That's right. He's using all the power of his sexy body. I like this episode. I enjoyed that Aaron Paul does a, I mean, they're both good. But I think Aaron Paul especially. He's pulling double duty. He's pulling double duty. Probably for one times the pay. that um aaron paul does a as a i mean they're both good yeah i think aaron paul especially he's pulling double duty he's pulling double duty probably for one one times the pay uh because he

has to be both of them and he has to be like a you know the the difference between the two families is josh hartnett's family seems to be full of love and and life and yeah and joy whereas uh aaron paul's family which is is that who's that lady? She's from Fantastic Four. Yeah. Let me look that up. Fantastic Four cast. But not the one you're thinking of. Not Rudy Mara.

Kate Mara. Kate Mara. That family seems to have sort of cold and no love, and he's moved away from society so people don't bother him, it seems. Yes. And she's alone in the, and he doesn't seem like that good of a, like he's don't bother him, it seems. Yes. And she's alone. And he doesn't seem like that good of a – like he's not a good guy, it seems. She is related to Rooney Mara.

They're sisters. Sorry, go on. Okay, there you go. Anyway, go on. And so, yeah, so Josh Hartnett's character brings a lot more love and tenderness to the relationship. And that's going to be trouble. Turns out, though, he's a big psycho. He's a big psycho.

They're all psychos. Do you reckon he was already a psycho or he got psyched? I think he got psyched because his family was murdered by one of the Culkins, no less. Damn, you'd be like, damn. It did feel like that kind of the Manson kind of murder. Oh, yeah, absolutely, yeah. Very much that kind of vibe of like, you know, cultish aspect to it.

And so, yeah, I mean, I think overall, I think, again, like the twilight zone if you question too hard where the stuff comes from yeah you know it's it you know you're not going to enjoy it but i think that the issue is the drama what do you think added to it sitting it in the 60s is it like the aesthetic of it like i mean i like i love this kind of aesthetic this future retro kind of i think the the i think setting it in the 60s is not, it's not, I mean, I guess it's partly for the look of it, but it's also like, well, if it's set in the present day, they could probably, like,

have video calls to one another and they would, you know. But now they can just build robots. And they can just, well, you also have to guess that there's like a, you have to factor in there's like a Reed Richards kind of genius who's built the robot bodies or what have you. I'm not complaining because I think it's interesting to kind of, I like it. It's like that Apple show about space, but it's space, but it's different.

That's true. It's called Different Space. Anyway, enjoyable. How much was society like a phone? Not a lot of phones in this. I mean, they're using a home phone. They're using a landline. They're using a landline, aren't they? But is it speaking to a broader idea that somebody is a phone? Not a lot of phones in this. I mean, they're using a home phone. They're using a landline. They're using a landline, aren't they?

But is it speaking to a broader idea that somebody has a phone? Because he was sort of phoning down to his own body. That's true. And Aaron Paul initially was phoning it in. Yeah. But then afterwards he's like, maybe I won't phone it in anymore. And Josh Hartnett's like, well, too bad I killed your family. Take a seat.

I killed your family. That's right. You may be wondering why I killed your family. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Please take a seat. And I mean, I feel also that is classic Black Mirror because he's put, like he's kind of checkmated him. Yeah.

Because if they don't work together on this spaceship, wherever it's going or whether it's in orbit or whatever, they're going to die. Yeah. So there's nothing. And on top of that, like, is it a humanity-saving mission? Like what is it? Yeah, we don't know.

Exactly, yeah. I think they're probably going to, one of them's going to beat the other to death. I think they're going to get back down to Earth and they're going to scuffle Buzz Aldrin style. As soon as the six years is over, they're going to be – Just tumble out of this shit. Yeah, that's right.

I'll get you, you son of a bitch. I'll get you. But, you know, classic Black Mirror, you know, checkmate situation at the end and it's more about – it's not about the technology. The technology was there but it's like man's ruined it, you know. In this case, society was man. Typical.

And that's a bit of a turn up for the books, isn't it? Bloody typical. Next up we have Maisie Day. That's right. Where we've got a kind of almost like the TV show The Idol. I don't know if you've seen any of it. I haven't seen it. It's really on television.

That's terrific. If you want to watch it, which you shouldn't because it's bad. I saw a clip from it and it was The Weeknd, the guy, and somebody had commented, his facial hair looks like when a girl puts on like a fake beard for a sketch and just draws it on. Yeah, good stuff.

So you can't take him seriously after that. So yeah, we've got Zazie Beetz as a paparazzo, but she's not as into it as the other people. She's got a moral centre. That's right. She doesn't like doing it, so it's hard for her to pay the bills.

But then a starlet, Maisie Day. She has a crisis of consciousness. That's right. Also, it's in 2006, I think. Yeah, around there, yeah. And she's sort of a – they clearly went, let's get an Emilia Clarke type. Yeah, okay.

It's Emilia Clarke in a 2006 Game of Thrones situation. And she's a starlet and she gets involved in a seemingly hit and run and then she goes to, she disappears and all the paparazzi are like, where's she gone? What happened to her today? What's going on there? And Zazie gets a little, she does some detective work and she figures out that she's actually gone to a.

A weird kind of retreat for. A holistic kind of. Yeah, for like addiction. Sanitarium kind of situation. She's like, well, let's all, hey, paparazzi, let's all get in there. Let's get in here. Let's get the big photos. Let's get to make the big bucks and get the big photos.

Yeah. And they show up and it turns out she's been chained in there. Yeah. And they're like, what kind of situation is this? Let's get it. And Zazie's like, let's get her out of this situation. Yep. Turns out you shouldn't because she's a werewolf.

Yeah. And we didn't know that. We didn't know that. This is the moment where I went, I didn't know that. Right. I didn't know she was a werewolf. Yeah, me too. I didn't even suspect it.

I think when I saw she was chained up, I think I went, oh, she is a werewolf. I thought that was when there was like something is up here. And just the cult aspect of it all, it't yeah it very clearly wasn't and i think that was a fun that was a fun setup i think yeah because initially when you see the um she speaks you see you see her speaking to a guru who's clearly not any kind of doctor yeah and he's like we're gonna you think it's like some kind of scientology you think it's a scientology thing you like you clearly think like like addiction isn't real exactly of Scientologist. You think it's a Scientology thing. You clearly think like – Like addiction isn't real or whatever.

Exactly. There's a moment where he's like, well, we've got to get through this day and we're going to get through the next day and then we'll see how we go. And I'm like, this guy's going to be creepy. He's going to give her a weird kiss or something like that. Maybe he was still going to. Maybe he's probably still going to. But then I'm like, oh, this is going to be weird.

And then I'm like, oh, no, he was being sincere. Because he's like, you're going to get through these two days because it's the full moon and you're going to turn into a werewolf. You're either going to be a Dracula or a werewolf. I'll be a Dracula, yeah. See what happens. So it turns out when she was involved in this hit and run, she went out to see how this person was and actually she got bit by a werewolf.

Yeah, the person she hit was a werewolf. Yeah, yeah. Wow. And it was crazy. This one is society as a phone because I think it speaks to the broader idea. Oh, yes. That people are always on their phones looking at paparazzo pictures. That is so true.

And Perez Hilton's like, your daughter's a bitch even though she's in primary school. That was prime era for Perez Hilton being like, your daughter's a bitch. That's right. And she's ugly. Look how sexy I am, Perez Hilton. So sexy. And also it's about unrealistic beauty expectations for women because women can't even be werewolves.

They can't even. I mean these days they can. Yeah, these days, thank God. Yeah, which I love, yeah. But, yeah, it's very much like that. Everyone was following Britney Spears and what's her name, Mean Girls around and whatever. Yep.

Lindsay Lohan. So I think this one, it really, it was like the perfect era to set it in I like that one and I didn't know that she was a werewolf I didn't know and for people out there who are complaining what they should do and they can do this on a streaming service

I think they should add like a poochy dot on his home planet style title card at the end that says this happened because we live in a simulation I think they should add like a poochie dot on his home planet style title card at the end that says, this happened because we live in a simulation. I think people will be like, whoa, that's actually really deep now that I think about it. It makes you think about everything. It does, doesn't it?

Anyway, the final episode, which I thought was the second to last episode. But it was actually the last episode. Was Demon. Demon 79, yeah. Another one which is just straight supernatural. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's interesting. It's a fun one. I mean is just straight supernatural. Yeah. And it's interesting. It's a fun one. I mean, it's grim. Yeah. And the ending is very grim. But it was a fun one. I think it's a fun one and also it's the first one set under a banner called Red Mirror.

Red Mirror? Which I think maybe is like a backdoor pilot for maybe a spinoff. Okay. Maybe they're segwaying out. Because Charlie Brooker has talked about this, how he stopped doing these for a while because he's like society got too weird to say society's got too much like a phone so i think he's these two episodes especially a sort of branching out a bit and i think he then you know next year or in two years time there might

be just a season of red mirror yeah which is just spooky stuff spooky stuff and we don't have to tie it to phones and we don't have to tie it to phones and we don't have to tie it to, you know, we don't have to go, oh, the reason she turned into a werewolf is because you got a genetic therapy and she turned into, and they used wolf DNA or whatever. We can just go, nah, she's a werewolf. Yeah. And it's the same with this.

We don't have to go, oh, this is in a computer simulation or it's in a whatever. It could be. Yeah, it could be. It probably is. That's the beauty of it. There's some stuff in this that I think to other episodes, and I can't remember which one.

Was it the Bandersnatch? Was there some Bandersnatch stuff in this? I'm sure there was something in this. Oh, yeah, there would be, yeah. I can't remember. It doesn't matter. Let's keep going. But, yeah, so the idea behind this one is it's the late 70s.

This woman's this sale assistant. Everybody hates her because she's not white. Yes. And she discovers a demon who's like, you have to kill a bunch of people, otherwise I'm going to end the world. Yeah. And she's like, well, better do it. All right.

Did we talk about Kill or Be Killed, the Ed Brubaker, Sean Phillips comic book? Which one is that? It's about that guy and he nearly dies. Oh, we've talked about it, but I haven't read it. He nearly dies, but then a demon's like, I saved your life, so you've got to kill people for me. Otherwise you're going to get sick.

And I may not be real. Yeah, yeah, you might just be crazy. But, yeah, so this was a fun one and funny. I thought this was the funniest episode. Yeah, even though it ends in the apocalypse. Sure does. But, hey, that's the beauty of these things is you can just end it however you want. It's got some good comeuppance in it as well.

And some people who maybe don't deserve it. It's happening because, yeah, so she has to do three murders before the end of whatever. Or the demon who's terrific, by the way. Yes, yes. What a fun, fun performance. He's loving life, which I'm loving and I'm loving him. But he's also got a deadline because if she doesn't do these murders then he's got to get cast into an infinite void.

It's a real devil went down to Georgia situation. He's way behind and he's got to make a deal. Yep, so he does. So, yeah, I don't know what to say about this one other than it's, yeah, I like the aesthetic of it. I like that it was kind of, it was like this schlocky B horror movie kind of, even like a lot of the musical cues in this and like the titling at the start.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like this kind of like terror in the whatever kind of vibe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, that's a good one to end, even though I'm sure it'll make people mad because society is not a phone in this. I don't think society was a phone in this one. Society's a phone at all.

She just got hit in the head and saw a demon. Yeah. Probably. Hmm. There was probably a demon. Or she just got hit in the head and went, I'll do some murders. Yeah. I think it's justified either way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, back then, a phone wouldn't tell you to do a murder. Ring, ring, operator. Hello. The Beatles are coming to town, you say. That's right. Get me one ticket. I have no friends.

That's right. That's me. Nice. That's great. That is very good. Yeah, so there you go. Yeah, best series ever, I think. My one note for that one is fun.

That was fun. It's undeniably fun. Yeah. It's interesting that you can take like something that's very dark and gruesome and has like a horrendous ending that ends in like a nuclear apocalypse and you're like, that's fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so I'm going to say best series ever.

Like just briefly maybe before we get into what we read. Yeah. How does this compare to previous seasons? I think it's definitely stronger than the last season. Okay, so the last season was there's a virtual reality video game you go into but maybe you kiss your mates

and it makes everything weird. I did like how sexy that was. That was very sexy and it had, yeah, good actors in that one. Smithereens, which is the one, it's the hostage situation in the Uber.

It's got the sexy priest in it. Yes, it does. Yeah. I think that was okay. It kind of felt more like an episode of The Bill, which is probably what they were going for. Yeah, yeah, sexy The Bill. Sexy murder The Bill't it? Yes, it does. I think that was okay. It kind of felt more like an episode of The Bill, which is probably what they were going for. Yeah, yeah, Sexy The Bill.

Sexy Murder The Bill. It wasn't very sexy. And then episode three of the last season was – Miley Cyrus is in a robot. Miley Cyrus is in a robot. I liked – I don't think I loved the episode itself, but I thought Miley Cyrus was good in it. Yeah.

Is that a real name? Miley Cyrus. Yeah, that's not a character's name, right? No. Okay. Her name was Billy Ray Cyrus. Okay. That's great.

Yeah. I thought she was great in that, but I recall not. And let's just go back to season four just to see what it was like. Season four, episode one was USS Callister, which is the one where Jesse Plemons traps a bunch of people in a virtual spaceship. Oh, I really liked that one. And that one had Aaron Paul in it briefly. It did.

It's a voice cameo. It's a voice cameo. And I guess he's got his wish and he's in a real Black Mirror right now. Good episode. Bit of fun. This was the episode, I think, was this the season where everybody's brain's been put into a virtual thing? This season was almost exclusively like

that, I think. What was the other episode? Episode 2 is Archangel, which is the one where a woman puts a chip in her daughter's brain because she's afraid. Jodie Foster one, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Episode three is the one where you can track people's memories of what happened in it.

It's the one where you can see. It was the crime scene episode. You can see. It was called like Crocodile or Alligator or whatever. Yeah, that was Crocodile. So that was the most British episode. That was the spooky British one. That was the spooky British one.

Yeah. Episode four was Hang the DJ, which is the nice one. Which one's that one, Hang the DJ? Hang the DJ was the one where everybody has, it's a dating program and you can only date people for a small amount of time, et cetera. But then it turned out it was all inside a phone and then it's the person who's meeting the person

for the first time. What did it like? Episode five is the one that I like but nobody else in the world likes, which is Metalhead, which is the black and white episode. I loved that episode. Everybody hates it. What? I don't know why.

But it's the one where a woman is being pursued by a dog drone. I really like that episode. And the reveal at the end is that the woman is not on some secret mission to save the world or whatever. She's just getting a teddy bear for her daughter, I think. Yeah, yeah. The kid really wanted it, so she made the sacrifice,

and then she got a tracking device shot into her neck. Yeah. I really liked that episode because it was so ambiguous. Yeah. There is apparently a deleted scene. I don't know if they filmed it. There was a guy operating that. Yeah, and where they reveal that there's a guy just operating the drone

and he's just living his life. And he's bathing his kids. Yeah, he's just doing it from home and he's just whatever and he doesn't care. And I thought that's interesting because it's sort of, you know. It's drone warfare and whatever. It's drone warfare and, like, it separates these people who are killing people.

You can bomb a wedding and wherever and be like, eh. Yeah, but I like the episode because it was just like, you don't know what's going on. Is it just this state in America? Is it the whole world? Is it people controlling these drones? Is it AI? Is it England?

Maybe it's in England. Probably not, but, you know. And then episode six was Black Museum, which is the one that tried to combine everything into the same universe. I didn't love it. I think that's a pretty strong season, though. That was a strong season. I think, yeah, definitely the gap helped with this one.

Yeah. Because it seemed like there was just like back to back to back to back. And then there was like three or four years and then. Yeah. But anyway, I mean, we could go back to previous seasons, but there's just simply no time. But, you know, like, it's like a sketch show if you don't like one. Watch a sketch show.

Watch the sketch show with Kelsey Grammar. Watch Aunty Donna's. Watch Aunty Donna's Coffee Cafe But if you don't like an episode It's not the end of the world There's more episodes to come They can't all be winners I think they were pretty good this time around I think it's always eminently watchable

And worth the premises Agreed Should we move it along? What are we going to do? It's another segment. It's a different another segment. It's called What We Read and What We're Going to Read. I actually have a note for that.

Oh? It just says fun. That's great. Yeah. I'm doing a thing. What are we reading today? What are you doing? Hello.

Secret Invasion? Well, that, but also the physical release for John Wick 4 is out in Australia. It's been out for a while, I think, in other countries, but it's just out now. So I'm going to get it. I'm going to get it later, and I'm going to watch it. Do you have the other John Wick physical releases? I don't. Maybe I'll get them. Maybe

I'll be physical releases your head from your body. What do you think of that? You hope John Wick, fictional character John Wick, will separate my head from my body. Yes. Interesting. But you still have to do the podcast. I hope that too, actually.

I think that would be great. What a way to go, you know? I hope he does it with like a book. Or a biro. He books my head off. Just completely severs me from the neck up. If you put the book in, like under your chin, and then he opens the book quick enough.

Yeah, I think it'll whip my head off. I think that'd be great actually. Yeah, cool. Anyways, but you're My head bounces like in the road in front of the Arc de Triomphe

and I get a book. And then down a really long flight of stairs. Yes, that'd be wonderful. So Secret Invasion the first episode is out and people are like it was okay I think.

I also thought it was okay I think. Yeah, I still haven't watched the second episode but I guess one of the biggest things that people Well, none of us have because it's not out for not. Yeah, I know. I also thought it was okay, I think. Yeah. I still haven't watched the second episode, but I guess one of the biggest things that people – Well, none of us have because it's not out for nothing. Yeah, I know, but I have a couple of them. If you're not a liberal elite.

Yeah, I am, but I haven't watched it yet because I want to be like a common grub like you. Yeah, yeah. Look, here's a few notes on this off the top of my head. Do you think Fury was affected by the snap? Yeah, I think so, yeah. Do you think people should stop asking him that? I think they should stop because I think he's clearly been emotionally affected.

I think he should have a T-shirt that says, yes, I was emotionally affected by the snap. But also get over it, everybody's emotionally affected by the snap. Fury, you're a professional. Get over it, idiot. He is a professional. What I was going to say was I think if they had two episodes available, they probably should have released the two episodes simultaneously

because I felt plot-wise this was a little thin. Yeah, fair enough. I don't disagree with that. They established that they were like, okay, well, the Skrulls are still here but they're sick of waiting for Fury to find us a new home so some of them have gone rogue. They're refugees and they're going to kill you. Yep, absolutely.

Which is the same plot as Falcon and Winter Soldier. Yep. And I think maybe sends a bad message. What? Not to get political about this show that is political. What's the bad message? That the refugees are going to kill you. Yeah, but if you, I mean, what about your own home?

That's a great one, actually. Maybe you look after the people in your own country first. Oh, that's a great point. Yeah, which they all do. Which people famously look after. The governments famously do that, don't they? They love doing that. We can't stop them.

We're like, could you please? Could you please stop supporting? We're all, everybody's two hows. They're two hows. Could you please stop helping the less fortunate? Mental health is already in check. The problem is you've helped the less fortunate so much that they're really so fortunate now.

They're all millionaires. Yeah. Anyway, and then, oh, look, I like that Ben Mendelsohn got an action sequence. I thought that was fun, or his stunt double did at least. Sure, yeah. I thought that was a bit of fun. But otherwise it was just sort of grey wandering.

Did you notice that? It was just a lot of grey wandering in Russia. Okay, we're going to do a little bit of a spoiler at the start. Okay. A character who's probably not the actual character is revealed to be a Skrull. I mean, were you like, what? Or were you like, okay. Didn't he end up in jail?

Oh, no, the Wakandans rescued him in Wakanda Forever. Yeah, that wasn't him, I'm pretty sure. That was a guy pretending to be Martin Freeman. Yes. But even that, I think there's going to be a lot of like, it was this guy. And it's like, how many times can you be like, it was this guy? Well, the problem, I mean, so as I understand it,

the people behind this were told not to read the Secret Invasion comic books. Perfect. Because largely I imagine they featured a lot of superheroes which were revealed to be Skrulls, and in this there are no superheroes. Yeah. And I saw a quote from someone who was like, oh, my God, there's going to be a character who's going to be revealed to be a Skrull, and it is going to destroy your mind utterly.

Your head's going to pop off your shoulders like John Wick gave you a big booking. And who's it going to be? It's got to be Rhodey shoulders like John Wick gave you a big booking. And who's it going to be? It's got to be Rhodey, right? There's nobody else it can be. I assume so. It could be Kobe Smulders. It could be Kobe Smulders. Although she already has been a Skrull. Are we doing spoilers in this? I think we're ready. Let's hit

spoilers. Yeah, she gets shot. Is she back in the next one? Maybe. I don't remember. Is she a life model decoy or something? I don't even remember that happening. She gets shot at the end. I don't remember. I saw it like shot like two weeks ago okay well the main guy shoots her yeah whatever okay whatever but it's in the stomach so she could very easily survive that yeah because you can in these sort of things but also if you can because they're copying people's minds as well and memories so you could just live like you could continue to exist she

could turn into a scroll later yeah she could be like you know what i mean like somebody could die in this and be like well i've I've got all Nick Fury's memories, so I'm basically Nick Fury. That's true, yeah. Anyway, the AI thing. Oh, yeah. So this episode was fine, but again, I think if they had the two episodes,

they should have released them because then. I have the two episodes. Yeah, well, you should release them. You should release it now. All right, I will. You should destroy your life so people can see this episode like three or four days before. Of this show that people think is okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You should do that. I'll do it. Okay. Anyway, the opening sequence is, and I, when I saw this, I'm like, huh, I wonder if that's AI. It looks AI, but I'd probably, that would, they probably wouldn't do that. So they did.

They did. And they've justified it by being like, well, actually. Get over it. Yeah, get over it. But they've said, well, this show is all about being deceptive. And so we decided to try some deceptive practices. Yeah. And that makes sense artistically and I don't think it does.

Apparently the production process was highly collaborative and with a dedicated focus on the specific application of the AI tool set and involved tremendous effort by talented art directors, animators, both proficient in 2D and 3D, artist developers who employed conventional techniques to craft all the other aspects of the project. Here's my question, I guess. If you look at, say, the title sequence artists from, like,

Ms Marvel, which I think was the last series, right? Sure. There's way more. Yeah. There's like 80 people involved, or 50 or something, and there's like eight people involved in this one. So I guess the question is, how did they do it? I guess there would be ways to do it ethically,

and the one way to do it would be you get a bunch of people in to draw original art yeah you scan it in and then you have the ai go do some spooky title sequence with nick fury and then the ai closed off to that art it's it's a closed system it's like a box or the art that you use that you've borrowed from you own it pay everybody for that yeah yeah like if they went hey – Yeah, I don't have a problem with doing it, but like it has to be built off the back of people's actual work. Well, exactly. If they fed in every –

I mean I say from an iPhone. Well, yeah, you're not wrong, brother, from the bloody roadcaster. Everybody's walking around with their roadcasters saying stuff, but did they pay for this roadcaster? We didn't. They sent it to us. But they haven't sent us the new one. Nope.

Anyway, I guess even if they got every Marvel title sequence and they put that in the thing, then they generated this, I guess. But also it doesn't look like they did. And also would they then have to pay the people who made the original? No. I mean they should. They should, but they're not going to the people who made the original? No. I mean, they should, but they would. Yeah, I don't know.

I think also like you do this two years ago and people would have been like, this is quite innovative and what a way to approach it, but it just seems like the worst time to do something like this. It's the worst time because now everybody is talking about the ethics of this and saying you probably should pay people who did work for you. So I know it's kind of the point, but I fucking hate looking at it. It's weird. It doesn't look like anything.

I think they would salvage a lot of goodwill if in the next couple of weeks they made a proper. Yeah. And maybe they make it like the A-Team. Oh, yeah. And it's like... And then Nick Fury's there and he shoots a gun and then he looks at the audience and does a big wink and it's Coby Smulders.

A wink with his one eye. And Coby Smulders has been shot and then she just looks. And Coby Smulders and all the blood's draining out of her body and she looks at the camera and she's like, yeah. And it's Ben Mendelsohn. He's like, you haven't been talking to a cop, have you? The audience. Wink.

Give me that. I would love that. I mean, if it was WandaVision, you might get that. They might get that. But I think they would salvage a lot of goodwill if they went, we actually made a mistake here. We understand. Look, they could go, we made it under strict controlled conditions

and we made all the art that we borrowed from to make the thing, but we understand there's some concerns about this, so we've done a title sequence where everybody winks. Yep, and it's great. And it's great. We've done it really well. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, this show will be fine probably.

Yeah. Can't wait. Can't wait for the next episode. I mean, I have it. They've probably closed off the screening well. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, this show will be fine probably. Yeah. Can't wait to – Can't wait for the next episode. I mean, I have it. They've probably closed off the screening window. Yeah, probably. I won't know because I won't watch it until it comes on television. That is so true.

You sure Kirby Smulders got shot? Yes. You sure you weren't watching How I Met Your Mother? It's true, yeah. Isn't that how How I Met Your Mother is? Robin's been shot. That's how we met your Aunt Robin. I shot her.

Yeah, shot her. That's right. You think I'm the boring straight man, but I shot her, and I'll shoot, I'll kill again. What are we going to do next, though? We're going to do letters. Yeah. Letters.

Letters. The classic one was letters, oh, letters. We love you, some letters. They're only a day away. I know they're here right now. We're going to do letters. I just want to quickly talk about this. This isn't a letter, but if you do want to reach the show,

hashtag weeklyplanetpod on Twitter or weeklyplanetpod at gmail.com. I know they're just barreling ahead with Superman, right? Like it's going to happen because they're rebooting the universe. But all of these, if you look at the long, and I meant to bring this up earlier when we were talking about The Flash, but if you look at the long list of DC properties that have been released, if you look at the past, like, it's eight or ten or whatever, and that's outside of Joker and the Batman, which are not in the DCEU. Oh, yes. They've all bombed.

And not just like, it's just been a series of bombs. No wonder they're $4.49 billion in debt if they're making decisions like this. Yes. And do you think maybe Warner Brothers should just think for a minute, maybe stop for five years instead of just being like, we're going again? Yeah. Because I don't think Superman is going to probably make a billion dollars or maybe even if it's great, there's a chance that if this is the trend,

there's a chance that it's just not going to be profitable because they have to slowly build up goodwill and maybe a way to do that is go away for a bit. I mean, here's the thing. That may be the smart move. Yeah. But a company that's $49.5 billion in debt is probably not known for making the smart move.

Okay. It's not. And it's probably everybody's panicking, I would guess. And if they've got an algorithm in charge at this point, which they probably do. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, what are shareholders?

What are they doing? What are they even doing? Because everything is like the next thing. Like that's how you keep the stock price up and your shareholders happy. We are constantly announcing what you're doing. And if your announcement was we're taking five years off. Then James Gunn gets fired immediately. Well, that and like it would tank the stock prices.

Yeah, that's right. So they can't do that. Even though in the long term, it's probably the better thing to do. You've got to give people a chance to miss things. When Star Wars goes away, it always comes back huge. Now Star Wars is never going to go away. That's true.

Unless we make it. Yeah, I don't know. I think, I mean, if James Gunn wants to turn this around and he wants to do that, like maybe he's had that thought of like maybe we'll just release the Batman 2 and we'll release Superman Legacy and people will go, oh, they're the two core characters and we love them and we'll go see those. Like that is an uphill battle for him.

Yeah. Where he'd have to go to the people with all the money and say, listen, we're putting the brakes on this. But I'm sure there are people in there who are like, no, you put in money to make this and then you get a return. So this much money. And then you give us money. That's right, exactly, yeah.

And I think he's going to be fighting against the tide for that, if indeed he's doing that. Yeah. But maybe he's just there to be like, I'm going to make X number of movies and these characters and they've paid me for that, I'm going to make X number of movies and these characters and they've paid me for that. I'm going to do that and then I've got to leave. I'm going to try my best and then I'm going to leave.

But there could be like their first like four movies, and I'm not talking like Blue Beetle Aquaman, which technically like the old guard, even though it's in the DCU, they just might not do well. I think that Batman 2 is probably going to do well and Joker 2 is probably going to do well. Yeah, yeah. But, I mean, depending if they're good or whatever. I mean, this might be the sell-off to Marvel era. Where they, you know, these all do badly.

And then Warner Brothers is like, well, put it on the chopping block. It's going to go with all the. Yeah, then they turn around and they go, what else do we have to sell? I don't know, the office chairs, I guess. We've got the filing cabinets, yeah. Anyway, letters. Do I have another thought about that? Probably not.

Yeah, we'll talk about it another week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is from Matthew. Matthew. Writer's strike layoff, speaking of. Whoa. Matthew says, hey there, James and Mace. I hope you guys are good.

I'm a long-time listener to the pod. Love you guys. Over the last year and a bit, I've been a junior compositor for an Irish VFX house. Over the last month, work has slowed down. We're supposed to be working on a very big BBC show. Tell us the show. He said what it is, but I'm not going to say what it is. Tell me and Collings will edit it out. Okay. Oh my god.

The Bill revival. That's exactly right. And the one where the guy from the Bill goes bad. The name of which I've forgotten. Reg went wrong. Reg went wrong. We're supposed to be working on a big BBC show and layoffs have begun. Me and as far as I know, half of our office have been let go as there's also no work due to the writer's strike.

Even after this, I'm still in full support of the writers and hope these higher-ups cop on. Yeah, isn't that interesting because a lot of time they're like, well, you know, people within the industry want this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like people are sacrificing their livelihoods at pay for the betterment of the industry. As someone who's gone on strike before, solidarity, loving it.

It's good. Well, as someone who would never go on strike because I support podcasting and that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you're a grub and a scab. I'm a scab. I'll come in and do your podcast if you strike. Wow.

Yeah, that's right. Matthew says, thanks for making my trips to work not suck. Matthew, also can I be the official Paddy Comper of the podcast? So that you can. Good luck on the build revival. And I have some Irish heritage, so I'm going to be the official Paddy Comper of the podcast. So that you can. Good luck on the Bill revival. And I have some Irish heritage, so I'm allowed to say that. Are you? Yes.

Okay. Well, I have some Irish heritage, and I think you shouldn't be able to say it. Well, let's fight about it. But I should. Let's get drunk and fight about it. This is from Rodri R., who says, hashtag weekly planet pod. With the release of the new Black Mirror Have you ever Get it right Come on, Roderick

Geez Stumbling all over me Yeah, God Start again Delete the draft Start again, mate Have any of you watched Any of Charlie Brooker's Wipe series?

Yes I miss it Because it used to be It was weekly for a time Yeah News Wipe and And then they You did it yearly

The last one he did was the The coronavirus special That's right I love his very untimely references to Gangnam Style. He's always dropping Gangnam Style in there. Yeah, I love Charlie Brooker. Yeah. Yeah, I used to – we talked about Bandersnatch recently.

I love Bandersnatch I think partly because I love, and you think I'm going to say Choose Your Own Adventures, but it's old British computer games. And he used to write for like British computer magazines and stuff like that. So I'm sure I would have read some of his reviews back in the day. But, yeah, like that being said, I have a note like in my phone, I think, and it's like remember to watch Death to 2020.

Oh, yeah. And I just never got around to it. Or Death to 2021, whichever one it was. I just never got around to it. Now I'm way behind on those. And it feels like too late to watch those. I think it's still fun. You can still watch it.

I liked that one, I think. Yeah, Charlie Brook was good. Did I like that one? You know. Oh, that was more of a – yeah, that was a documentary, fake documentary, wasn't it? That wasn't a – you did say that. Yeah, yeah.

But it wasn't – I also haven't watched Kunk on Earth. Yeah, I watched most of it. It's fun. It's great. Yeah. Really good. Really funny. Yeah, he does most of it. It's fun. It's great. Yeah. Really good. Really funny.

Yeah, he does a lot of things. What else you got? Great question. This is from John. John. Hey, guys, last week you talked about not wanting to get a tattoo in case the meaning around it changed. That happened to me.

I got mine in 2015 for being a Canadian and a Toronto Maple Leafs fan. And since 2022 when the Blue Lives Matter movement started, I have on multiple occasions had to explain that it's not about that. Can I see that? Keep up the good work. Can I see it? Yes. Oh, Mason, it's just a KKK hood.

Come on, man. So it's a back tattoo. Why did he think that was okay? Yeah, yeah. So it's a back tattoo and it's a maple leaf. The left side is red and the right side is blue. And so it says, born red, bleed blue. Oh, okay.

So it's like, oh, yeah, okay, right. Yeah, I get you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably. Well, just explain it to everybody all the time. Yeah, it's like I love the Smurfs, you could say. Do you love the Smurfs? And I bleed blue because I love the Smurfs.

Yeah, I love the Smurfs. Yeah, that's right. I love the Smurfs and the Smurfs revival movie or series. This is from Al. Send us in your dated tattoos. We would love to see them. We would love to see dated tattoos, yeah. Not rude, though. No. Not if it's on a rude place.

Hashtag weekly planet pod. Not your Ben Ass Flex, for example. No, exactly. Ben Ass Flex? Nice. That's better. I got one. It's from Al. Have any of you ever gone into a movie totally blind? My cinema does a secret movie and I turned up to a packed house

hoping to see Asteroid City. It was elemental. And it was worth it just to hear 50 people sigh and then half of them leave instantly. That's great. No. I don't think we have those here. If we do, there's not one near me.

Yeah, I would love to. I say that, but probably not. It would have. I'm also like, do I want that? I don't know. I like knowing. I like going into It would have, I also like, do I want that? I don't know. I like knowing. I like going into a movie blind in terms of like, you don't want to know anything about this

if you don't watch this movie. But just to go into something not knowing completely. Yeah. That is, I would love to, yeah. But it would also have to be, I don't know, because would there be parameters around it? Would it be new movies? Is it like you could get literally anything?

Yeah, that's true. I, you know, I think that's one of the great joys of movies generally when somebody goes, you've got to watch this. Don't look into it. Don't Google it. Don't watch the trailer. Don't look up the Wikipedia page or whatever. You're going to love The Matrix 4.

Exactly. Just go to it. And even if the movie itself is not great, sometimes it's just like, oh, it's great to have just that freeing experience of not analysing the trailer and the poster and reading the interviews and knowing what it's all about and just going in. Absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah, cool. That's cool. There's a movie called Bo is Afraid. It's an Ari Aster movie. It's got... Oh, the Joker in it. It's got the Joker in it. People have recommended that to me.

Yeah, I should watch that. I've done my best not to look into it. It's on streaming, isn't it? It is on streaming right now now but it's $20. I might wait. $20? $20. That's $20.

I know. You know what's weird? I'm just looking at the YouTube comments that got them open and our Titanic video is suddenly getting a lot of views and comments. How intriguing. How intriguing. People are being like, hey, that guy who died is in your video. Why are people saying that?

I don't know. For real, is he? Yeah, he is. Is there other – One of the guys is in it. Is there any comments saying like, I can't believe you didn't mention that that Titan sub that went down there exploded when you made this video like a year ago or whatever. I can't believe you didn't know to put that in there, you idiot.

There are some people who are saying like this didn't age well. But we didn't say you should go down to the bottom of the Titanic. We've looked into this and this is good and safe and normal. It's a normal thing to do. We didn't say no one will ever get in a weird carbon fibre can and controlled by a Logitech game controller, just a couple of billionaires would get in there and then float down there and it would explode.

That would never happen. Yeah, that's in the extended version. Yeah, that's right. Good God. That's right. Anyway, big week for guys dying at the bottom of the ocean. Anything else, Mason? A couple more.

Here's an email from Nick Norris. He says, what even happened in Phase 4? Speaking of Secret Invasion. Okay. I don't know. Hey, guys. I just wanted to ask a question that popped in my head. What even happened in Phase 4?

This is of the MCU. Yeah, I know. I watched all the movies and shows, but I can't really name anything of significance that happened i guess kang sort of arrived maybe and we got she hulk and kamala khan but we're several years removed from endgame and it feels like we're still just mourning iron man in the blip personally i've moved on from iron man yeah it's fine yeah he's fine uh the multiverse has opened up kind of i guess but not really i don't know i i just just feels like the story of this phase has been moving so slowly,

which is weird considering we've had like 1,000 movies and TV shows. Agree or disagree? I don't disagree. I think that's a pretty accurate criticism. I also don't think that there's – I think there is still a number of things within that phase which I like. Yeah, a friend of the show Nando V Movies has done a video on what happened in phase four. People should check that out.

And I watched that and I went, oh, yeah, a bunch of good stuff in that. Yeah. Like once it's laid out in front of you, you go, oh, okay. Yeah, Loki, WandaVision, you know, I like Doctor Strange. Shang-Chi was good. We both loved Ant-Man 3. We both loved Thor, Love and Thunder. We both loved The Flash.

That's true. That was Phase 4. That is true. But, no, that is fair in terms of, like, what is this about? Yeah. Especially when we're conditioned for everything to be building towards something. Yeah. That is true. But no, that is fair in terms of like what is this about, especially when we're conditioned for everything to be building towards something. Yeah, that's true. And it is like vaguely multiverse stuff.

Yeah, but a lot of comic book stuff in the comics isn't always building up to a big stuff. It's just various adventures, I guess. It's just blokes having a fight. It's just blokes having a scuffle. One of the things that I think is an issue, I've been thinking about this week especially since the flash yeah is that there there seems to be the strategy going forward

with both dc and marvel seems to be now just get it all out yeah just get every oh every event every big event and every huge uh storyline that happened just just knock it out real quick i think partly is that like if you if you think about thor love and thunder which i always do i always do yeah that had two massive story lines in it each of which could have been like a trilogy in itself like gore the god butcher and lady thor yeah which in the comic books ran for years yep and and spanned all these series and mini series and were incredible but they just went knock them out, just knock out both of them in two hours kind of thing. And I think partly it's because it's an actor thing.

Like you can't get Chris Hemsworth isn't going to be available forever. No, you'd have to do them like at once. You'd have to do it all at once. Yeah, and, you know, he's not going to be available forever. He doesn't want to do this character forever. He's not going to be able to get into Thor shape forever. And you can trick some of that out with effects, I guess. Yeah, no, you're right.

Yeah, he could wear his suit. But, yeah, but I mean, you know, they're not going to want to do this forever. So if you want these Thor adventures with the Thor you know and love, you've got to do it now. And it's the same with Flash, you know, with Keaton. You've got to do it now because he's not going to want to do it. Maybe in two years' time he's not going to want to do it. Or wait until he's dead and then do it then.

And he'll have no choice. Yeah. But my personal preference would be recast and then take the time. But it's too late now. Or even like would you do like an Ultimate Universe situation? Do an Ultimate Universe situation. And then they meet eventually. That could work, sure.

But I think the thing is like, well, Chris Hemsworth is Thor. Yeah. But, you know, with Batman there's been a bunch of different Batmans. And I think maybe the MCU should take a cue from that and go, well, maybe we do another Thor and then we take the time with those, you know, those storylines. There is a fair chance that within the multiverse saga, they decide that at the end of it, it's a universe reset.

Yeah, right. And then there is an ultimate situation, which is pretty much what they're doing's a universe reset. Yeah, right. And then there is an ultimate situation, which is pretty much what they're doing with the DCU. Yeah, true. And then they can recast. Yeah, yeah. Because you can't just keep – everyone's getting older, but you also need those characters.

No, you're not. But you want to keep watching these. That's true. You can't keep using these characters if the actor doesn't want to do it or ages out or something. That's true, yeah. So, yeah, it's inevitability. It's just about how you do it, I guess.

And it's also that case, I think, as well, where I also kind of think Kevin Feige just wants to do all the story before he leaves. Yeah. And I think that maybe is a mistake. Yeah. And I feel like maybe, again, James Gunn, I hope, is going to learn from this and not go, I've got to do every storyline.

I don't think he's doing that. I don't think he's doing that. I don't think he's going like. Maybe he does Superman Legacy slash Death of Superman. Superman. Slash Superman fights Batman again. Oh, my God, yeah. Just knock them all out again. Slash, I don't know, the one where he travels through time or whatever.

Flashpoint. Flashpoint. We could do Flashpoint. I was just thinking that. What if they called it Batman Flashpointing? Batman Flashpointing at stuff. There he is. Batman Flashpointing at Stuff. There he is. Batman Flashpointing at Dead Actor Cameos.

There's one. There's one. Oh, he died. Oh, he died in real bad circumstances. Oh, that guy died penniless. This is great. This is great. He could say that.

As a representative of Warner Brothers, I think this is great. Wow. Can't wait for Batman Flashpointing. At Dead Celebrity Cameos. At Dead Celebrity Cameos, yeah. My goodness. Anyway, that's the whole show, I reckon. That is, I reckon.

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