The Weekly Planet - 55 Civil War, DC's Film Line-up & SUPERHERO SHOWDOWN!

Episode Date: October 20, 2014

This week we're talking the big news for Marvel and DC, Civil War and DC's new film slate.Plus we go through your suggested scenario's concerning who would win various fights between your favourite hero's. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday, with me as always my co-host, Nick Mason. Bad start. Well, we did it. Nope. The best start. So, do listeners know that before you do the show, you have a ritual? Yes. Which is where you brush your teeth?

I have to brush my teeth. Which is insanity, A. Because my mouth feels clean. A, it's insanity, but B, I did it just earlier and I feel like a new man. Exactly. That's what I'm talking about. No, you're still in the throes of madness, but I did it and it's fine. I actually didn't brush my teeth because I've been trying to fix my computer.

I was manic. And then, yeah. Do you want to stop and brush your teeth? No, let's do it. Let's push on. Well, guess who's going to be fresh this week? This guy. All right, all right.

Lots of big news this week. Uh-huh. And we'll get to all that. Let's do the shittier news first. Okay, good. Not shitty. Just, you know, whatever. Yeah, just the news.

Yeah. Just the regular news. Okay, a few more names thrown out for Doctor Strange. Okay, I'm ready. Take these as rumors because everything's a rumor. No, take them as facts. I'm assuming everybody you mention is going to be cast. Remember that Bob Dylan biography?

And like five people play Bob Dylan? Yeah. It's going to be like that. Is that good? No. It seems like one of those things that wouldn't be good, but people pretend it's good. Yeah, I think that's what it is. I think at the time, people were like, this is genius.

Yeah. It's genius that Cate Blanchett is Bob Dylan for some reason. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Now it's not. Because it was also a Christian Bale. Let's not get into it. Okay. There was a bunch of them. Alright. A few more names for Doctor Strange. Okay.

Okay, I've got here. It's self-corrected. It says Hugh Ann McGregor. That's Ewan McGregor. Great, okay. What do you think of that? I think he was rumoured for Ant-Man. I think he'd be a better Doctor Strange. Oh, really? Okay. Cool. Well, Obi-Wan has the Grey Temples in the Star Wars.. I thought that would be really good. I think he'd be better Doctor Strange. Oh, really? Okay. Cool.

Well, Obi-Wan has the Grey Temples in the Star Wars. And that's all you need. Yeah. Is Ewan McGregor funny in things? That's a really good question. Because I feel the direction Ant-Man is going is a little bit wacky. Yeah. Do you think he could pull that off?

I feel like he could. Yeah. Because I think he's charming enough. Uh-huh. But he's obviously not like a comedic actor. Right. Yeah. Because I think he's charming enough. Uh-huh. But he's not like, he's obviously not like a comedic actor. Right, right, right. But he's pretty jovial.

Imagine if you had to share the stage with like... Michael Douglas. Michael Douglas. He's wackier than Michael Douglas. Or is he wackier than Michael Douglas at this point? Michael Douglas is probably wackier. He's pretty wacky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know.

Like, it doesn't matter because he's not Ant-Man. Okay, right. Irrelevant. Yep. But yeah, you reckon he'd be a good Doctor Strange. Yes. Fair enough. Colin Farrell.

That's a new name. Yep. He's got the look. He does. He was really good. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I think because he's been cast in True Detective.

Like, suddenly people are like, oh, shit, Colin Farrell. We better put him up for everything. Yeah, he did a stick. Yep. Yeah, I don't mind that. Jake Gyllenhaal. Yep, again, okay. The rich man. We better put him up for everything. Yeah, he did a stick. Yeah, I don't mind that. Jake Gyllenhaal. Yep, again, okay. The rich man's Maggie Gyllenhaal.

They can give him that weird Arabian look that they gave for Prince of Persia, and that would work. You made a tan and abs. Tan and abs, yeah. Apparently, they're pursuing Matthew McConaughey, and that's on the back of Joaquin Phoenix nearly getting it.

They nearly made him get it. Right. So actors are like, oh, maybe this is a new scene. Are Marvel basing everything on True Detective now? Is that what's happening? Like all the casting decisions? Exactly. Vince Vaughn is his Asian sidekick.

Oh, that's pretty great. Wong. Yeah. I don't know about Matthew McConaughey. No, neither do I. Because he's got that southern drawl. Yeah, exactly. Which doesn't really work.

And also, apparently someone has said somewhere that don't rule out Joaquin Phoenix yet because he may have had a change of heart. He might have bought more comic books at the comic book store. Yes. And he just keeps rolling up at Marvel HQ with an increasingly large stack of Doctor Strange issues. Well, look, if you had to pick one...

Oh, he's got the issue where he's in the Midnight Suns. Let's hire him. He's worked so hard on this... He's got the issue where he's in the Midnight Suns. Let's hire him. He's worked so hard on this. He's worked so hard. Yeah. If you had to pick out of those, who would you pick? And also Benedict Cumberbatch again and all the regular names.

Oh, so of all the options? Yes. I can't remember any of the previous options. I'm going to go with Ewan McGregor because I like him. Yep, okay. And he doesn't look because I think the mistake that some of these guys

look too much like Tony Stark. Yeah. And Ewan McGregor is like doesn't look like that sort of. I'm going to go

with Farrell. Alright. Yeah. Too much like Tony Stark. Too much like Tony Stark. You're right. But anyway. Alright.

Cool. Farrell's a great choice. Good work. Thank you. Yeah. As long as this one is set entirely in a phone booth

he'll do great. Yes. That was originally Jim Carrey. That movie. That was a great choice. Good work. Thank you. Yeah. As long as this one's set entirely in a phone booth, he'll do great. Yes. That was originally Jim Carrey, that movie. Huh. That was a Jim Carrey vehicle. But then he did Son of the Mask 2. What they should have done is just put actors in different phone booths all throughout Los Angeles and just film them all on the one day and just say who was the best.

Sure. And then the rest get on the cutting room floor yep best one gets the movie love it Ghost in the Shell we've seen that

I think we watched that together you've probably already seen it it's about people putting their minds into robots that is exactly what it's like that's what it's about

haven't seen a lot of manga manga anime animo and you'll get letters manga is the printed the printed stuff. Anime is the animation.

Sorry, you're right. Absolutely right. I bet there's more distinctions as well that I don't think about, and I'm going to get letters too. Scarlett Johansson apparently offered the role. Of the ghost in the shell. Yes. Great.

Yeah. I'm okay with that. Yeah. Sure. Casper the ghost in the shell. I guess the only thing is, whenever they cast one of these animes... Uh-huh. It's all white people.

Yeah, exactly. Is that what you're going with? That's what I was going to say, yeah. I don't know. I think because people saw Lucy in Black Widow and they're like, yeah, she can do that. Yeah. She can stand in front of a green screen. Sure.

Yeah. Cool. Whatever. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah. Great. Great. Good news.

Moving it along. Thomas Hardy. Bane. Yep. I know where this is going to go. I've seen this piece of news. Moving it along. Thomas Hardy. Bane. Yep. I know where this is going to go. I've seen this piece of news. Sure. They're saying he's being eyed for Apocalypse in X-Men Apocalypse.

So he'd be the villain in the new X-Men movie, X-Men Apocalypse. Apocalypse. Yes. He'd be Apocalypse. He would be. Great. Yeah. Good.

I think that's a good choice. Yep. He looks solid. Yeah. Looks good with a shaved head. He's going to need that. Do you think they should make him bigger? I think he can make himself bigger.

Yes. Is Bane not big enough for you? No, no. I'm talking like Bane in the comics. Okay. Most of the X-Men villains or characters are kind of regular human size. Like even the juggernauts, just like a guy. Yeah.

Like a biggish guy. He's not just a guy. He's Vinnie Jones. He's a juggernaut. Former footballer Vinnie Jones. Former footballer Vinnie Jones in a weird rubber muscle suit yeah like i want to see like a bigger hulking kind the way they've done thanos yeah i think that would work yeah i think otherwise it's just tom hardy yeah that's true i think yeah that

my assumption going in was that we're going to tweak him cgi yeah make him bigger but you're right nobody's really ever done that yeah and they don't the x-men franchise doesn't really have a track record for that so no yeah he has to be bigger yeah he has to be like inhumanly bigger yeah definitely yeah interesting yeah i think he's a good choice i think you do i think you do it really really well uh because he's fairly menacing yeah even though that bane voice is kind of dumb no it's super dumb okay good... See, I don't know as well. Like, because in the comic books, he's sort of this nightmarish kind of weird elastic creature

who can become the size of a house or whatever. Yeah. Will I do that, though? Probably not. Probably not, yeah. I'll probably just be a strong guy. He'll be a strong guy with telekinesis. Yeah, that's what we're in for, yeah.

There was that rumour, remember a few years back that... All we can do is we can stand real close to the screen and he'll look real big. We sure will. Like we did when we actually saw the last X-Men movie. Right. Like the only seats are up the front. And we got in there and there were dozens of seats that worked up the front. Yep.

Fuck them. That's what I'm saying. That's all right. So great. Moving on. This journalism lark is for the birds, mate. This professional journalism we do. That's right I'm saying. That's all right. So, great. Moving on. This journalism lark is for the birds, mate. This professional journalism we do. That's right.

Yeah. Biggest news of the week, though. Yes. Well, there's two things. Two huge pieces of news. Two huge... Competing against one another. That's right.

First one is civil war. We're in the middle of a civil war. Australia is. Send aid, quickly. We're in a lot of trouble here. It's been rumoured... Oh, it's been reported by Variety. Boomerangs are flying about like crazy.

Captain Boomerang, where are you? Now, what is the news? The civil war. Marvel civil war. Marvel civil war, they say. Variety said this. It's not locked in just yet, but if Variety said it, it's probably true

that civil war is going to be the storyline they adapt for captain america three and they've got robert downey jr on board to be the kind of pseudo villain counterpoint for steve rogers and i think it's an amazing idea yes what do you think it is an amazing idea but the central tenet of civil war in the comic books is that there's a lot of superheroes out there with secret identities and Iron Man wants them all to register their identities with S.H.I.E.L.D. just in case there's a

problem and Captain America wants secret identities kept secret. But the problem in the Marvel Cinematic Universe is there's like six superheroes Captain America's identities out there, Steve Rogers has that museum exhibit about him so everybody knows who he is

and anybody else who's not Bruce Banner is pretty much publicly a menace and Black Widow released all those S.H.I.E.L.D. files so everybody knows who everybody is I agree but I've made a video on this you haven't seen it yet, neither have I because it's not finished but

do you make them blindfolded? yes I work out sometimes they don't you know yeah sometimes I'm just tapping on a bowl of fruit anyway yeah there's other parts to civil war though yes that being that it's not just about identities it's about you have to work for the government if you want to do this yeah so you could just have the focus on that yeah so captain america even alluded in captain america 2 he doesn't want to do this forever right like it worked for shield he doesn't know what he's going to do yep so and maybe he feels that it's unfair that say the hulk has to work for shield why can't he just live in a jungle or whatever do you know what i mean yep and on and on the argument that

in a jungle or whatever. Do you know what I mean? Yep. And on the argument that there aren't enough superheroes as well, when you think about it, there will be enough. When you consider all the Avengers, then you've got the secondary characters like your War Machine and your Falcons and your second Hank Pym, the older Ant-Man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you're going to have a Doctor Strange movie coming up

you've also got Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D Daredevil Jessica Jones Luke Cage the other one they're doing Iron Fist yep

there's a whole there's a whole lot of world there's a whole lot of other characters that they can draw on it's quite a lot so by the time this rolls around there will be enough characters and if they focus on

just the fact that you have to register to do this you have to work for the government if you want to do this then there would be more true yeah take it that way yeah that's what I think wow just the fact that you have to register to do this, that you have to work for the government if you want to do this, then there would be more... True, that's a good point. Yeah, take it that way. Yeah.

That's what I think. Wow. Also, some... That was James' latest segment, that's what I think. Yeah, but also, by then, also you'll have characters who... Like, the secret identity isn't divulged to the public,

is it? Yeah, no. Is that the idea? It goes in the S.H.I.E.L.D. database. Yeah, and Spider-Man... Which can't be compromised. That's right. No, it can very easily.

Yeah. But there's only one really who, like, Spider-Man reveals himself as Peter Parker, which has now been retconned or whatever, which they probably won't use because they probably won't get Spider-Man even though they're talking about it. Yeah.

So maybe they could do that with Daredevil maybe or something. They probably won't. No. Because that would ruin the point of him being a lawyer and being a Daredevil. Correct. So, yeah. Even though he's been outed in the comics, like, multiple times. Several times, yeah.

It's weird people keep forgetting. Yeah. But no, I think it's a terrific idea, and I can't wait to see it. It's going to be good. Yeah. Even if you hate that comic, I was saying to someone on Twitter about this, even if you hate that comic, which I can understand because it's not the best executed comic. That's pretty good. But it's a great idea

for a story. Yes, it is. Just pitting Marvel heroes against each other. Yeah, yeah. And then, whatever comes out of the wreckage of that, Avengers 3, fight Thanos. And when I say whoever comes out of the wreckage of that, it'll be everybody. Right? Because they're all making the coin.

There'll be a death fake out. Yeah. Well, they're saying, though, that that's going to lead into death of Captain America. Right. Okay. And then we talked about last week, I think, how Avengers 3 might have been the lesser known Avengers. Like, you know, kind of the B team, kind of like, you know, Falcon might be Captain America

and Doctor Strange, who we haven't seen yet in Ant-Man. And then Avengers 4 will be everybody coming together to fight Thanos. Yeah, okay. But who knows? Because life's a mystery. Isn't it, though? Yeah. It's a mystery and a rollercoaster.

Yeah. But apparently, though, Robert Downey Jr.'s role was initially small. It was only a few weeks of filming, but he wanted a bigger role in that. And this apparently angered Marvel Entertainment Chief Ike Perlmutter. Sure. Who ordered him to be written out of the script. Oh. Because Downey's got a very...

I think he's got one or two movies left, whatever it is, and he gets a lot of money for everything. Boy, does he, yeah. Because he was the first in. Yep. And so he's going to... But now that he's back on, he's going to earn a $40 million paycheck plus back end. Oh, boy. Stuff. So that's pretty incredible that's great i mean who else because what how else would you do civil war with somebody

else you can't do it you have two very established characters you'd have to maybe do thor but why would thor care doesn't care exactly hulk wouldn't care yeah and the whole point of the tony stark is and even the movie tony stark he's all about being accountable for your actions and whatever because he doesn't care everybody knows he's Iron Man

and whatever because he's a total dickhead right so and yeah I think also because on the back of the age of Ultron

he'll because he's created Ultron maybe he'll be he'll feel responsible and blah blah blah so that's why he'll want to move in this registration thing that's true

and Captain America doesn't like that no because he's American yeah yeah freedom cool that's why he'll want to move in this registration thing. That's true. And Captain America doesn't like that. No. Because he's American. Yeah. Yeah. Freedom.

Cool. That's pretty good. Thumbs up? Thumbs up. Yeah. Way up. Really excited. More excited than Age of Ultron, I think, to hear that Civil War is coming.

Yeah, probably. You're right. Yeah. This is also how they should do every movie from now on that's not an Avengers movie. You don't have to do solo movies so much anymore just do like get a grab a couple yeah grab them together yeah it's because otherwise it's weird like then why where is everybody else you know yeah yeah well that's the classic that's the marvel team up yes team a couple of dudes up all ladies yes that's right yeah there's also rumors of spider-man joining, which would be cool, which I mentioned briefly.

But that would be super cool. Because he's a big part of that story. But again, you don't necessarily need him. And there'd also be a scene of like, where have you been? We all live in New York. How have we never run into each other? You know? Good question.

Although if they added like a little scene of him in the Battle of New York, just fighting the Chitauri. Okay, cool. That'd be pretty good, right? I'd like to see a little scene where a rock falls on him and he's pinned under it. He's like, this could take hours. Oh no, there's a missile. What can I do? Oh, that man's got it.

It's fine. It's fine. I'll just lay here. Oh, the rock moved. I'm fine. Okay, thank God. Yeah. DC's new lineup though was then announced like a day or a couple of days later. Yeah, their rock moved. I'm fine. Okay, thank God. Yeah, DC's new lineup, though, was then announced like a day or a couple days later.

Yeah, their movie schedule. People saying that this... For the next million years. Yeah, that's right. People said this was kind of a panicked move, which it sounds like it is. But it could have been that they were just going to announce this anyway. Do you benefit of the doubt, then? Yes.

Oh, good for you. This is from Anthony. Uh-huh. And he says, What are your thoughts on the news that DC have done a Nero from Star Trek where they fired everything at Marvel literally days after the announcement that RDJ was appearing in Captain America 3? Is this desperation I smell,

or did DC and Warner Brothers just shit themselves? I'm undecided. Okay. We'll see. We will see, won't we? Let's hear about this lineup. All right, cool. Batman v Superman, we Okay. We'll see. We will see, won't we? Yeah, yeah. Let's hear about this lineup. All right, cool. Batman v Superman, we know.

Zack Schneider. 2016. Uh-huh. So, we're still going to wait. God, it's so long. I thought it was 2015. No. Oh.

It was. Oh. But they moved it back. Oh. Next up, Suicide Squad, which we'll talk about in a minute. Yep. It's directed by David Ayer. Is that 2016? Yes. Okay. That's also the guy- Two in a minute. Yep. Directed by David Ayer. Is that 2016?

Yes. Okay. That's also the guy- Two in a year. Yeah. Pretty bold, they say. That's right. And that's the guy who also did that, doing that tank movie with Brad Pitt.

Tanks for the Memories of Brad Pitt. Yes, Tanks for the Memories of Brad Pitt. Yeah, Fury. Okay. Which is out in the States this week, which apparently it's doing all right, and it's pretty good. Okay. One was going to say, Shia LaBeouf's been doing a press tour for it.

Uh-huh. And he's kind of toned down. He's crazy. Oh, good. Kind of big time. Uh-huh. And he's like, yeah, I had a bit of a breakdown or whatever. But nobody's like, but you stole that thing, remember?

Oh, yeah. Like, nobody's called him out yet. But anyway. Wonder Woman, 2017. Uh-huh. Hang on. Were we talking about Suicide Squad? Yes.

We've still got to change the name of that. Yeah, probably. Well, yeah. I hope so. Not that I hope so. I don't care either way. Right, okay. Right, right, right. Whatever. We'll come back to Suicide Squad, though. Yeah, probably. Well, yeah. I hope so. Not that I hope so. I don't care either way. Right, okay, right, right, right. Whatever.

We'll come back to Suicide Squad, though. Remind me. Okay. To remind you. Wonder Woman 2017. Justice League Part 1 in 2017. Okay, we'll talk about this. The Flash starring Ezra Miller as The Flash.

We'll come back to that as well. Okay. We've got a lot of stuff to come back to. Yes. Aquaman also 2018. Jason Momoa. Shazam. I hope it's called Aquaman also.

Shazam 2019. And then Justice League Part 2 in 2019. Jesus. And then Cyborg with Ray Fisher in 2020. And then finally Green Lantern in 2020 also. Because nine years is long enough to wait. Years. People will be champing at the bit

for a Green Lantern sequel slash reboot. That's it. All right, let's go back to Suicide Squad. Okay. Right. We talked about this briefly last week. You think they'll change the name? I think they should change the name.

Yeah. Well, I don't have a problem with it. Yeah. I think they might have to be like suicide squad in theaters and then like the number for lifeline underneath it okay right yeah they might have to do some sort of depression campaign with it i don't know dc movies are pretty grim though generally yeah yeah it fits into their no jokes policy yeah which apparently isn't a thing i know yeah we'll get letters yeah there's a there's a room and line-up for this.

We talked about that last week, but some actors who they're interested in. Was Multiplex one of them? Yes, who turned up in The Flash. How weird is that? That's pretty weird. That was actually alright. Did you watch it? I did.

I'm up to date on Gotham, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and The Flash. Really? We can talk about that, yeah. Have you been up to date with Arrow? Yes. Good for you. I'm one behind on Arrow. Ooh.

You beat me. Ha ha. Ryan Gosling for Suicide Squad. Yeah. Will Smith, Tom Hardy, again. And Margot Robbie, who's in Wolf of Wall Street. Okay, yep. Yeah, yeah.

That's an all-star lineup. It is, isn't it? Yeah. That would be a great cast. Uh-huh. Margot Robbie. I hope it's Ryan Gosling as his character from Drive. Tom Hardy as Bane.

Who else was on there? Will Smith. Will Smith's from... Men in Black. No, I was going to say the one where he's a fish. Oh, yeah. Shark Tale. And, yeah, that sounds amazing.

Margot Robbie, don't you reckon, would be a really good Harley Quinn? Yes. But, yeah, anyway. Whatevs. That sounds great. Weird that they'd do that before a bunch of other stuff. That. But yeah, anyway, whatevs. That sounds great. Weird that they do that before a bunch of other stuff. That is better known, yeah.

But that's, yeah, but that's, I guess that's, you know, you can get out a teen movie with some big actors and that would get a whole lot of people on board. I guess that is, you know,

it worked for Marvel. Yeah. Nobody knew who Iron Man was until. No. Until everybody knew. Yeah, that's right. All right.

Did you want to talk about Justice League Part 1 and Part 2? So, it's 2017. 2017 and 2019. So, two years. Yes. Look, I get, like, there's an Avengers and then there's an Avengers 2. Yeah. But weren't we talking about it quite a while ago that they were thinking about instigating a...

No jokes policy. Well, you know, no jokes policy, but also some sort of cliffhanger policy Like every movie was going to end with a cliffhanger We did talk about that So what if they do Justice League Part 1 So it's not Justice League and then Justice League 2 It's Part 1 and Part 2 So there's going to be a two year cliffhanger

Yes That's annoying And what do we have in between those? The Flash, Aquamanaman shazam right maybe they're separated they're just trying to get back to each other yeah in that yeah i mean hopefully they're separate stories maybe part one just means justice league one and justice league two yeah but it sounds like they're linked the way that harry potter movie seven part one and two right or whatever they did there i think that that has been that trope has been firmly established if it says

part one and part two they're the same story they've been split up fair point fair point it's also interesting that there's no batman or superman movies on here yeah individual yeah yeah yeah individually anyway what do you think about the flash ezra miller you familiar with him perks of being a wolf flower californication we need to talk about kevin all those things is he kevin he's kevin no you don't look him i'll look him up real quick i'll look him up real quick look he's very gutter would you say he's more nerdy or more jockey no he's more kind of grant augustine he's more hipster kind of chic kind of dude okay right you know what i mean You know what I mean? Like he's a cool dude? He's so cool, yeah.

A lot of people don't like it. I think he'd make a better Robin or Nightwing. But... Oh, I see this guy. Yeah. And he's going to be... But he's a good actor, though. That's the thing. Right, and he's going to be Barry Allen.

Yes, yes. Okay. He doesn't look like a Barry Allen. No. He looks like... What's his face from Girls? Adam Driver. There we go.

Who was also rumoured... Yeah. We've probably talked about this 10 times and i've forgotten that that this is apparently the look that people are after now sure films yeah okay well do you remember when adam brody was cast was it adrian no adam brody yeah uh-huh he's kind of got that kind of he's got that hawkish kind of look yeah hawk man hawk man there's a tip there's a tip for you look he is a very good actor uh huh

and I think that DC are going for more kind of actor actors uh huh like the way that they've got

Ray Fisher who's cyborg is like a stage actor you know what I mean and Gal Gadot was in Fast and the Furious so they're going for

look they're just pulling names out of a hat is what you're saying really that's it. Look, I don't care, to be honest. By then, that Flash show will be really, really established and people will love it, or it will be cancelled.

And either way, it might be interesting to get a new take on it by that point, by the time it rolls around. Interesting. Very. Yeah. Anything else? Cyborg? Justice League?

Nah, that all sounds pretty good. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. What kind of cyborg are they going to do? I like the... Like a robot one. Yeah that all sounds pretty good yeah definitely yeah what kind of Cyborg they're gonna do I like the robot one

yeah but yeah yeah but like the liquid metal one oh okay cool yeah yeah alright

they're probably just a guy with metal plates clunky clunky 70s Cyborg yeah yeah okay

I don't care with that there's also rumours that Jenna Malone are you familiar with her she's in

yeah she's gonna be in Batman well she is apparently in it but she's gonna be Carrie Kelly Robin Robb yeah with her? Yes, she's going to be in Batman V Superman. Well, she is apparently in it. But she's going to be Carrie Kelly Robin Robin. Yeah. Okay.

Which is interesting. Apparently she's got like orange hair as well. I would say that's pretty much a lock. Yeah. I would say. That's fun. Yeah. Because if they...

Clearly a lot of elements they've borrowed from Dark Knight Returns for this. All of it. All the whole thing. Yes. The whole storyline. So it would make sense that... You know, Batman's been doing this for a long time yes in this so he's been through a few robins he's been through a lot of robins like bloody tissues mate just tearing through them yeah so yeah it makes sense he's up to carrie kelly yeah why not sure i mean

is carrie kelly in the regular DC Universe? Is she established? I don't think so. Yeah. I'll look her up real quick. Okay, cool. In the meantime, while you're doing that, the one thing that people say that this seemingly panicked move has a Marvel, aside from the fact you shouldn't... Well, this is a bad thing.

You shouldn't really map your movies out till 2020, I don't think. Right. I think Marvel do it smart where they'll announce a couple, say, look, we've got some dates. these are the dates just hold your fucking horses we'll just see we'll see what happens that should be their policy yeah exactly hold your fucking horses yeah because i think then you've got room to change then and now if you change one of these people are going to be like do you say panic what a panic move you know what i mean yeah or if some character doesn't play and they're like oh you know what people didn't like the flash in the just league movie let's not do a flash movie like you know people I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or if some character doesn't play and they're like, oh, you know what? People didn't like the Flash in the Justice League movie.

Let's not do a Flash movie. Like, you know, people... I think you've got to allow yourself some flexibility. And this is six years of films. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. Yeah, but at the same time, Warner Brothers has a lot of money, right?

Oh, yeah, sure. I forgot that. I forgot. Driving in the wall. Yeah. But also, the movie industry is losing a lot of money. Yes. Piracy? Nah, they're just not very good. Oh, okay. Yeah. but also the movie industry is losing a lot of money yes piracy nah

they're just not very good oh okay yeah sure also Netflix yeah well that's it but no the one thing that people

say this has over Marvel is it has more gender and racial diversity in its movies which I guess is true yeah yeah but the Cyborg movie

isn't coming till 2020 if they even make that because it is a long way away and when's Wonder Woman? Oh, Wonder Woman's 2017 so it's not too far away but yeah, I guess that's true. Important news, actual Wonder Woman movie.

Yeah, exactly. There you go. That's cool. They've committed to it. Yeah. Maybe that's why. They're like, we should really commit to it. Yeah.

Any kind of... We can be the first you know, movie... We can be the first company to make a female-centred superhero movie ever. Yeah. Or a good one.

Yeah. Well, you know, I think they've been still talking about Ms. Marvel at Marvel, but we'll see. Carrie makes her first appearance in the main canonical DC universe

in the new 52's Batman and Robin. Oh, she does too. She's a college student and Damien Wayne's acting instructor. Acting instructor? Says acting. Damien Wayne's acting instructor. Acting instructor? Says acting.

Damien Wayne's an actor? I'm sure he's done some acting. Sure. Yeah. I know Alfred's done some acting. Look, we've all done

some acting. Sure. Good stuff. I'm okay with it. Me too. I think it's going to be great. Whatever. I think it's both good news

on both accounts. It's nice to know that we've got six years to wait for things. Isn't it though? good news on both accounts. It's nice to know that we've got six years to wait for things. Isn't it though? Six years of sweet news. Six years of sweet, sweet, blurry set photos. Settle in everyone.

Yeah, mate. Settle in. On May 10th, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes is coming to IMAX and theaters everywhere. What a wonderful day! This summer, one movie event will reign. It is our time. Apes hunt humans.

That is wrong. Bend for your king. Never. Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. Only in theaters May 10th. Tickets on sale now. Alright, well that's going to lead us into our topic, Mason. Oh yes.

Which we mentioned to people last week that we were going to do a Versus episode. And this has come in... This has tied in really well this week. We didn't know this was going to happen. Even though I predicted it. Civil War, as people pointed out to me. They tweeted me episodes where they were like, You said that in episode 29 or whatever i'm like i know of course i did i'm sure a lot of people said it though you know yeah we probably said they probably they're going to do it and they're not going to do it yeah and the listeners are very

very very nicely focused on the ones where we said yes yeah that's gonna thank you appreciate it well so we're just gonna basically i threw it out there to the listeners last week, send us some names of heroes or villains. I think mostly heroes. And then we'll talk about that. Who would we in between? Two or sometimes three people or comic book characters or movie characters pitted against each other.

This is going to be rigorous and scientific and not at all. I'm just going to pick one guy and say that's it. Move it on. Move it on. Move it on. Exactly. So I thought we'd start then with Captain America vs. Iron Man. Oh, yes. They've gone toe-to-toe in the past.

Yes. Seems we're going to see them fight, which I'm really looking forward to. Uh-huh. Who would actually win between those two? Which version are we doing? Are we doing movie version? Let's do movie version. Okay.

Because in the comics, it's kind of gone both ways. And there's a lot, and I haven't read them all. So, yeah, let's say movie version for all of this. Okay. Because in the comics it's... It's kind of gone both ways. And there's a lot and I haven't read them all. So yeah, let's say movie version for all of this. Okay. Yeah. Look, my brain says Iron Man.

Sure. Obviously. Yes. Because he's got all them guns. And he can fly. And he can fly. Yeah. Into space.

And then come down real quick. Yeah. And just... Yeah. And he's got... He can catch a car. He can catch a car. Yeah. And Captain America can't even throw a car he could catch a car yeah and captain america

can't even throw a car no you know no i mean yeah he could probably roll a car probably roll a car quite fast yes roll a car quite fast yeah he could roll the car onto somebody yeah like if iron man was just laying down yes yeah if iron Man was laying down and he'd covered himself in landmines and then just Captain America rolled the car on him and all the landmines exploded. And Captain America would also be killed in that. Yes. Yeah.

So your head says Captain Iron Man, but your heart says Captain America. Is that what you're saying? Iron Man again, probably. Okay, sure. No, I don't know. Look. Here's the thing.

That's got to be all of these. I don't know. Yeah. Here's the thing. That's going to be all of these. I don't know. I don't know. What are you... Look. Captain America's a guy in a kind of armoured suit. Kind of, sure. Sort of armoured.

Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. With a big, like, gap where his mouth is. Yes. And Iron Man has a lot of those mini-missiles that are very accurate. Yes. So, all I'm saying is you take a little from column A and a little from column B. Mm. And Iron Man has a lot of those mini missiles that are very accurate. Yes. So all I'm saying is you take a little from column A and a little from column B and Captain

America is going to need a lot of dental work. Yes. After all those mini missiles explode in his face. Sure. Look, I'm inclined to say Captain America just on heart. Yeah, okay. Which is ridiculous. But like, and that shield could damage Iron Man's suit.

Yeah, good point. But the shield is all he's kind of got. Like, if he went hand-to-hand... Yep. No, he couldn't win that. Shield gives him a slight chance. And he's probably more acrobatic than Iron Man. Definitely, yeah.

But he can't fly. Yeah. He's probably got the leverage. Okay, sure. Like, if... You know what? He's got... He's...

Especially Winter Soldier has shown us that he's got a lot of, like... He's got a lot of martial arts training now. I reckon if you get him in a clinch, I reckon Captain America's fast enough to get the shield in between him. Sure, yeah. Don't want to damage that way. Or, like, lever his arm off or whatever. Yeah, yeah.

Or, like, lever one of... You know, on a railing or... Get him... Hit him at a stress point, maybe? Yeah. that's it we're gonna we're gonna see a lot of this in this man's movie so yeah yeah you're probably right iron man without the suit captain america would paste him oh absolutely it would be it dying man knows some jujitsu it seems like the movie iron man anyway remember you see that bit nine man three

where he does he knows how to strike a wooden dumbbell a couple of times yeah drink a green smoothie yeah or whichever order it went in. And then drink a green smoothie. Yeah. Or whichever order it went in. Sure. If it was a green smoothie drinking competition, oh, that's probably Captain America. Yeah, because he would keep very healthy. Yeah, definitely, yeah. But yeah.

It'd probably be Iron Man, but I'd like Captain America to win. Because wouldn't you love to see Captain America just sock Iron Man? Yeah. Just like right in the face. Yeah. Or maybe I just want to see, you know, Tony... Oh, what's his name? Robert Downey Jr. be right in the face. Yeah. Or maybe I just want to see you know Tony what's his name Robert Downey Jr.

be punched in the face. Even though I like him I kind of want to punch him in the face. Absolutely yeah. Is that just me? No I don't think

you're alone. Okay good. I think that's all a it's all a desire of ours. Sure. Hidden deep inside. But I don't want to

punch Chris Evans. I don't even level. Also he'd kill me. Like because he's enormous Yeah Alright Settled Iron Man probably

Probably yeah Probably Email in All caps if you could If you disagree You mentioned this last week And I brought it back Because I want to talk about it

Hulk vs Superman We're saying who's stronger Who's stronger But then we'll talk about Who do you think would actually win I feel this is the classic versus. Yeah. This is, this is, this defines you, this defines you as a nerd, I think, this matchup.

Okay. Like, if you're, like, if you're at a party, if you're somewhere and you're like, hey, I want to, I want to, if you know, if you know a guy who knows a lot about cars, you're like, I want to buy a new car. What do you recommend? And they're like, well, this and the fuel economy and this and blah blah blah and all the features and whatever and you go i'm sorry and you go but you go wow you know a lot about cars and then somebody's like hey who's stronger superman or the hulk and you go huh whoever the rider wants to be stronger i guess it doesn't that doesn't doesn't matter and they're like no really who's

who's stronger and you're like that's superman and they're like no really who's who's stronger and you're like it's Superman and they're like no but the Hulk's Hulk's stronger and I'm like yeah they're like you mean physically more powerful right

but who's stronger and I'm like Superman's Superman's stronger like I don't want to I never want to go down this path it's happened more than once

it's happened more than once and I'm like Superman's Superman's stronger you'd think you'd think it'd be the Hulk but it's is it because Hulk's power like Superman could Superman could pick up, say, a submarine...

Oh, we'll get into this. We could talk for an hour about this. Okay, sure. Yeah. But, like, Superman could pick up, say, a submarine or a battleship, and it won't snap Yeah, he can lift it from the middle. Because his powers put, like, a... What is it?

What's the field called? When he picks up something, like, an energy kind of... Yeah, it's sort of like... He acts on the fundamental forces of the universe. Yes. energy kind of yeah it's sort of like he acts on the fundamental force of the universe yes let's talk about it okay let's talk okay so and by that you mean you explain it to me i'll explain it to you in a variety of convoluted roundabout ways that conflict with one another because they're comic book characters gotcha good so i would argue that superman can lift heavier objects okay here wehmm. Okay, here we go. So, the Hulk has class 100 strength, right?

Yes. They're in different universes. Yes. I would say DC characters overall are more powerful than... Yeah, I agree with that. ...than Marvel characters, like with exceptions of, like, Batman or whatever. Yes.

Because Marvel characters are supposed to be like street-level characters. Yeah. They're more relatable. The Hulk's definitely more relatable, right? On that level, the Hulk is the winner because he is relatable because who doesn't get a little bit grumpy sometimes?

You know? But I would say DC characters generally are much more powerful. Yeah. So the Hulk has class 100 strength, right? Yes. Which means he can lift in excess of 100 tons. Yes. What that in excess is, we don't really know.

It depends on his rage levels. Yes. And you would say... And whether he's tired. And whether he's tired or hang whether he's tired. Or hangry. He might be hangry. So, the rule with the Hulk's strength is, the madder he gets, the stronger he gets. Yes.

Right? And you would say, well, his rage is unlimited. Yes. So, his strength is unlimited. But is it? Rage isn't unlimited, is it? No, it's probably not. There's a cap on that.

Yeah, there's a cap on rage, I think. Like, what... If he thinks of all the ills of the world, he'd probably get pretty mad. Sure. But, you know, how mad? Yeah.

Real mad. Probably real mad. Probably real mad. 100 ton plus mad. But also, I think that the Hulk, his strength is shown in that he's a giant.

He's a nine foot tall guy with a big green mug. Yeah, his strength is in his physicality. It's literally in his physicality, right? And he doesn't, and you know, comic book wise, he actually physically does get larger as he gets more angry.

Yeah, he's not magic or he doesn't have some weird kind of pseudo-psychic ability or whatever. Yeah, yeah. He's just really strong. He's just really strong, right? So the physicality is where the strength comes from. And since he doesn't become a thousand feet tall, there is a limit to how strong he gets, I think. Okay.

But Superman, as we've mentioned, Superman, if you take his powers away, he's still a strong guy. Because he's 6'4", or whatever, and he's muscular, or whatever. But his strength isn't in that. No. Or maybe it is. I imagine the Kryptonian physiology... There's some. There's some.

He can lift some pretty heavy stuff. And he does CrossFit. He does CrossFit. He does hot yoga. He does all that stuff. But his power is in that, as with a lot of his powers, his strength acts on some sort of fundamental force of the universe.

Like, you know how Superboy, his ability is he's got touch telekinesis? Like, you know how Superboy, his ability is, he's got touch telekinesis. Like, he can touch an object and just lift it. Or he can touch, like, a gun and it breaks into little pieces. Yeah.

I think Superman's power is similar to that insofar as he can touch, like, we're talking about a battleship or a cruise ship or a submarine. Yeah.

Just lifts it up and, like, the force acts like he generates sort of a field around it, around that object and he can just lift it. Hence why it doesn't snap in half. It doesn't snap in half.

But say the Hulk who could maybe, like if he tried to lift something like a battleship, it would just snap in half. Like it couldn't structurally support itself. Well, you could lift one edge and fling it. Yeah, sure.

Yeah. But like he couldn't lift the whole thing without it breaking it. It's like the Titanic scene. Yeah. It would just snap in half. Yeah. But effectively Superman could pick up a battleship and hit the Hulk with it. Yeah. And it would not snap. Yeah. Until it hit him. Or throw it like a spear. Yeah. It would just snap in half. Yeah. But effectively, Superman could pick up a battleship and hit the Hulk with it. Yeah.

And it would not snap. Yeah. Until it hit him. Or throw it like a spear. Yes. So on that level, you're saying Superman is stronger. Correct. So is a lot of Superman's strength, would you say, then, he doesn't actually need to

physically exert himself as much as he thinks he does? Is that the limitations of him growing up on Earth and thinking this is how things work? I think so, yeah. Interesting. Isn't it interesting yeah if we're going to talk numbers yeah like although somebody sent me a i think it might be from world war hulk or planet hulk or one of those certainly a space-based hulk a hulk comic a hulk comic where the hulk blows up a planet like he punches a planet to pieces and it's's quite recent. Sure. That's ridiculous. That's all I'm saying. It's bloody ridiculous. Like if we're talking numbers, there's In Secret Wars, which is a comic book from the 80s.

Yeah. All the heroes are under like this mountain range that's collapsing and the Hulk lifts it up. Yeah. And it weighs like 275,000 tons or something like that. It's pretty heavy, right? That's pretty heavy. Pretty heavy. But I maintain he was only lifting one edge.

He wasn't holding the whole thing up, was he? It's pretty heavy, right? That's pretty heavy. Pretty heavy. But I maintain he was only lifting one edge. He wasn't holding the whole thing up, was he? It's ridiculous. So you're saying that he can't punch a planet in half, even though he has. Yes. Or he shouldn't be able to. He shouldn't be able to. Based on his powers. I think it's a bit silly. Look, I think, and it's similar to that, you know, when you see

Wolverine, you know, caught in an explosion, and it reduces him to just his skeleton, and then the next page he's fine again. Like, even all his hair's grown back. It's ridiculous. That, you know, powers evolve in these fictional universes, but the point of

Wolverine isn't that he's got this magical, like, he can't draw from some sort of parallel universe and grow all his skin, you know, all his flesh cells back. Like, he's just got a, he just heals faster than a human does yeah a regular human sure so it's a bit silly so what i'm saying is the hulk punching a hole in a planet bit silly that comes back to i remember you like this for any movie or any universe and like if you've got a set of rules if you impose limitations on a character or a universe like the hulk or superman

then you should stay within that or it's nonsense. The rules can be whatever. Yeah, it doesn't matter. But you have to stick to them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're saying the scenarios where they break those rules is wrong. Correct. Gotcha.

That's what I'm saying. Which is why in the Superman movies, he's always been like the 70s Superman. Yes. Like, I don't like those movies. I don't think they're good. Mm-hmm. 70s Superman. Yes.

Like, I don't like those movies. I don't think they're good. Mm-hmm. But when the first Superman movie was created, he had the 70s Superman powers where he could basically do anything. He could fly around the world in reverse time and he could, you know, punch planets around or whatever. And then in the Superman comic books, they changed the continuity so he was much less powerful.

Yeah. But in the movies, he stayed the Silver Age 70s Superman with all the crazy powers. Yeah, the Man of Steel ones moved away from that. Yeah. But yeah, you're right. Keep it consistent. So I respect that. I just don't think they're very good films.

Anyway... In your face, Richard Donner. That's right. In your face, Christopher Reeve. Oh, what have I done? Anyway, in... Do you remember All-Star Superman? Of course.

In All-Star Superman, Superman gets his powers quadrupled. And he can lift like 200 quintillion tons with one hand. Remember that? Oh, when he has the thing on, he's pressing on that thing. So if we use some basic mathematics... Yes. Hang on, this is going to take forever. And he says even in it that this isn't even the extent of my powers.

I feel like I could use further. So that means with both hands he can lift 400 quintillion tons. Right. So that means when he's not powered, when he's not quadruple powered, he can lift 100 quintillion tons. In your face, the Hulk. And I mean, that story's out of continuity. It's a bit silly.

It's like the 1970s silly Hulk. Sure. The silly Superman where he can do anything. Yeah. On a level also of if Superman fought the Hulk. Sure. The silly Superman wouldn't do anything. Yeah. Yeah. On a level also of if Superman fought the Hulk. Yes. Even if they were

evenly matched in strength. Yep. Or even if the Hulk was stronger Superman would still beat him. Yes. Because he'd outsmart him or just fling him into space.

Yeah. That's all it would take. Uh-huh. That's what I think. Or beat him with a big punch. Yes. Which also happened. So they've actually fought

before several times. Yeah. Most recently was Marvel versus DC which was in the 90s. Yeah. And that was... But again, these debates will never end. No.

Because the Hulk that Superman fought then was the Professor Hulk, which is the... Oh, he's not as angry or as strong. He's not as angry or as strong. Yeah. He's smarter than most Hulks. Yeah. He's the smartest of the Hulks, but he's not the strongest. Okay.

He was the one that was... He was always the Hulk all the time. He wore the lab coat. He wore the lab coat. Yeah, I know. He had the little glasses. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I think people would be like, well, Superman beat him then, but he wasn't the strongest version. Yeah. But then Superman wasn't the strongest version, or was he? That was the Superman who'd just come back from the dead, and he was... His power levels were increasing. Yeah dead and he was... His power levels were increasing and he was very powerful

but he wasn't 1970's Superman powerful. That was when he got all his powers because the Eradicator got shot and the powers

went into him. With a kryptonite gun. Yeah. And then he got more and more powerful until he turned into pure electricity. Correct.

And then he became Electric Superman. And then he became Electric Blue and Electric Red. Superman, yes. And now he's just Blue and Electric Red. Superman, yes. And now he's just regular. Yeah, now he's back.

But he's underpants and not on the outside anymore. That's right. So I think it's a win for everyone. Yes. Wow, that was intense, but I'm glad we talked it out. I'm not. No, I'm okay with it. Email in if you think Mason's wrong.

Please do. I will forward that. I'm not going to read it. Okay, don't email in then, because I'm not going to read it. Okay, don't email it in then. Because I'm not going to argue with anybody on this. If you think Hulk is stronger, then he is. Again, the thing about the planet, I didn't. I saw the page.

It looked pretty impressive. All right, well, this is my one. This is the first time that it got me really thinking about this. This was like 10 years ago. And I remember talking to you about this. Also, Superman and the Hulk fought in like the 70s but it was ridiculous there was just a lot

of bounding around sure silly was someone hit with a tree probably yeah great anyway

this is one that came up years ago and this got me interested in this whole idea of versing two people from two different universes or whatever characters together and it's always intrigued me

and they're not comic book characters but I don't care. I know what this is. Can I guess what this is? Sure. Is it James Bond versus Indiana Jones? Yes. Okay, right.

Now, depending on your versions, obviously Daniel Craig James Bond would kill Indiana Jones in any version. Like he'd beat him up in a bathroom and knock all his teeth out and shoot him. It'd be the casual walk past him and break his neck. Like it wouldn't even be a competition. Yeah. But I think any other version of Indiana Jones, if you went one-on-one with just James Bond and Indiana Jones,

without gadgets, Indiana Jones would beat James Bond. Interesting. On grit alone. Sean Connery, James Bond. Yes. Huh. He knows a little bit of judo and whatever. I noticed he made the international symbol for judo, which is a karate chop just then. But he knows a little bit of judo. And whatever. I noticed you made the international symbol for judo, which is a karate chop.

Just then. But he knows a little bit of judo. But he's never perceived as that tough. Indiana Jones can be beaten for, I don't know, hours. That's true. You're right. And then... By Nazis.

Yeah. Yeah. And then bounce back. They're intense. Yeah. Punches. And then bounce back. Okay.

So, I think, yes, I think James Bond. This is a fist fight. Nobody's got a whip. No. Nobody's got a gun. I think if you went gadgets, if you kitted them all out, James Bond would beat Indiana Jones.

You could just laser him his arm off or whatever. You know what you'd probably do? What? Daniel Craig probably catch the whip electrified. Yes, exactly.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think they both kind of fight dirty. Yep. There'd be a lot of sand thrown in the water. There'd be a lot of sand. Yeah, yeah. I think they both kind of fight dirty. Yep. There'd be a lot of sand thrown in a lot of places. There'd be a lot of sand. Yeah, it also depends where it is.

Like, if it was at, say, a dig site, Indiana Jones would win. Definitely. He'd be grabbing shovels and buckets. Yeah, if it was at a missile launch site, James Bond would probably win. Yeah, that's it. But if it was in an open football field, and there were no gadgets, and it was just fists. They had to run at each other, yeah. Yes. Then I think Indiana Jones would win. Okay. Again, and it was just fists. They had to run at each other, yeah. Yes.

Then I think Indiana Jones would win. Okay. Because- Again, unless it's Daniel Craig. Unless it's Daniel Craig, in which case, yeah. Unless it's Daniel Craig, in which case, on that football field, Daniel Craig would find like a sink and drown, bombed in it. Indiana Jones.

Indiana Jones. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So, yeah. But what do you think? Do you think I'm right? I think you're probably right.

Yeah. What do you think? So yeah, but what do you think? Do you think I'm right? I think you're probably right I'm basing this purely on the fact that Indiana Jones has incredible tolerance for being beaten That's true Even when James Bond is kind of being taught, except for the Daniel Craig one

again, he also has an incredible tolerance for being beaten But he's more a monster than man You never see Bond kind of really breaking a sweat That's true, yeah I think if you pushed him, he'd break Yeah, like you've never... You never see Bond kind of really breaking a sweat. That's true, yeah. I think if you pushed him, he'd break.

Yeah, I think Sean Connery is more... That Bond is more just a drinker. Yeah. Like he just drinks until the problem is solved and he can shoot a guy. Yeah. My feeling, though, is if we're talking football field... Yeah. Should we set all these in a football field? Yeah, set them all in a football field.

American football field? That's bigger, right? Yeah Okay I think that Indiana Jones' strength though Is he takes a beating Until some sort of environmental factor comes in And the bad guys are killed, right? Good point

He's on a boat And he takes a beating Until that boat starts to wander into a bigger boat's propeller And the guy gets his head cut off or whatever Yeah Right? a bigger boat's propeller and the guy gets his head cut off or whatever. Yeah. Right? Sure.

Where's the propeller on the football field? That's a really good point. Yeah. That's a really good point, actually. I think eventually, weather permitting, the weather would turn, the sun would be in Bond's eyes, and then Indiana Jones would just beat him to death. Yeah. That's what I think would happen.

That's fair. Okay, I understand. Yeah. Right. And then Indiana Jones would just beat him to death. Yeah. That's what I think would happen. That's fair. Okay, I understand. Yeah. Yeah. Because you have to take into account, like, the conceits of their genre. Okay. So, Bond, for Indiana Jones, it's the environment. Yep.

Or something bursts into flames. Sure. And then he angles somebody into a fire or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And with Bond, there's just all kinds of lasers going off. Yeah, there is. I don't like how cool james bond plays it either i don't like that yeah i think he plays it way too cool and i think indiana jones is scrappier as well yeah okay yeah yeah anyway that's what i think i might be wrong yeah i'm not okay how about all the eras of india all the

the individual indiana joneses from each of the Indiana Jones movies and the young Indiana Jones adventures and River Phoenix pile into a football field with all the James Bonds' who lives Is it Daniel Craig? He just kills all of them He'd kill everybody there

He'd kill all the Indiana Jones starting with River Phoenix and then he'd make his way through killing all the Bonds, and he'd finish off Brosnan last. Oh, yeah. That's how he'd do it. As Brosnan pleads for his life. Roger Moore first. Yes, definitely.

Lays and me would probably get away. Yeah. Because, you know, he wouldn't recognize him or whatevs. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah. Even the Pink Panther guy with that version of James Bond. Okay, yeah. Well, if we're taking young Indiana Jones. Yeah. David Niven. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, even the Pink Panther guy with that version of James Bond. Okay, yeah.

Well, if we're taking young Indiana Jones, yeah, David Niven. Okay, yeah, exactly. Okay, good. Yeah, fantastic. That'd be a fun fight. No, Daniel Craig would win that. Yeah, definitely.

Yeah, absolutely. All right, into the listener ones though. Wait, which, so you reckon River Phoenix? Indiana Jones. You know what, he'd probably,

no, he'd go TV show first. The Kid. The Kid. Crystal Skull. Yeah, then he'd go River Phoenix because they're different. Yep. And then he'd probably go TV show first. The Kid. The Kid. Crystal Skull. Yeah, then he'd go River Phoenix because they're different. Yep. And then he'd go all Indiana Jones and then he'd work his way through. But he'd probably do Temple of Doom last because I think Temple of Doom and Indiana Jones is the toughest Indiana Jones.

Right. Because he takes the biggest beating while he's getting voodoo dolled. Yeah. So that would be the fight that lasts the longest yep and what are all the other James Bonds doing at this point

drinking I guess they're just drinking yeah they're drinking and betting women on a football field they're just palling about

yeah okay until they die until they die boy that's a good one that's my favourite so far sure it's gonna be hard to top but listener ones

here we go this is from Liam and I've got thoughts on this this is Indiana Jones versus Harrison Ford who would win okay Harrison Ford the actor

yes okay alright I've got some I've got some theories on this do you want to go yours first no I'd like to know which Indiana Jones it is

that's exactly what I'm talking about and which era of Harrison Ford is it current Harrison Ford because he's real old well that's what I've got young Harrison Ford would lose to young Indiana Jones

wait when you say young Indiana Jones from the young Indiana Jones adventures. No, no, no. Sorry. You mean Raiders of the Lost Ark. Regular Indiana Jones would lose. In his prime. In his prime would lose to Harrison Ford. Young Harrison Ford.

But I feel like current day Harrison Ford could beat up Indiana Jones for Indiana Jones. Yeah, I think you're right. Because Harrison Ford would be very angry. Old Harrison Ford is probably very grumpy about things. Yeah, that's it. And I feel like Indiana Jones from Indiana Jones 4 is just kind of not really fussed about. Yeah, he's just sort of rolling with it. Yeah.

Like, if he was caught in, like, some killer ants or whatever, I think he'd just be like, No, I guess it's my time. Yeah, that's it. It's fine. I don't care. I'm getting married, I guess. But yeah, would you agree with that? I'd agree with that, yeah. Okay, cool. That's a my time. Yeah, that's it. It's fine. I don't care. Better than getting married, I guess. But yeah, would you agree with that? I'd agree with that, yeah.

Okay, cool. That's a solid one. Yeah, excellent. He's also got Batman versus Iron Man. That's a pretty good one. That is a good one. Okay, let me think. Look, classically, Batman wins every time, right?

Sure, that is the... The rule of the internet is, given enough preparation time, Batman always wins. And I think based on the fact that Iron Man has no powers, I think Batman could out-technology Iron Man with preparation. Probably, yeah. Depends how much tech he's given.

Also, Batman has suits. Yeah, he's got an armor suit. That he could fight in. I don't think really anything that can kind of fly. Some of them can, I think. Like the Batman Beyond suit can. Yeah, totally.

But I think Batman would win that. Yeah, I reckon... Well, I mean, it depends how it's... Obviously, all these depend how they're written. Yes. It depends who's the biggest fan. Is it an Australian football field or is it an American football field? That's right.

Exactly. Yeah. I think the way it would and also because iron man does have so many suits well that's right exactly like for the purposes of the storyline you can sacrifice one sure so he and he's got plenty more to go with i i get the sense that batman would crack the suit and then just pulp him yeah like he'd find a way to like he'd have some sort of gizmo he'd have an electromagnetic pulse, probably. I mean, Iron Man's usually protected against that.

Sure, yeah. These days. These days, sure. But, yeah, he once got beaten by an arrow filled with rust. Oh, yeah. And rusted his suit. Yeah. But, yeah, I think Batman has that.

And, obviously, strip him of their suits, and Bruce Wayne would kill. Wait, you've forgotten about that jujitsu. I forgot. Against that wooden thing. Just before or after he has the green juice. It's after he's had the green. Wait.

So he's got the energy. But then if you punch him in the stomach with the green juice. That's coming out of his nose. It's coming out of everywhere. That stuff does not stay down. No, that's it. Yeah. I like those characters a lot.

I think it's Batman. Yeah. Yeah. And also, if we're talking the movie version, Iron Man does not... Those suits are not as sturdy as you'd think. No. He loses... Like, he's gone...

He went through seven in the... In Iron Man 1, 2, and Avengers, he went through seven suits. Yeah. So, they disintegrate quite quickly. Yes. And if you've got a man who has been doing this for a really long time, and he just... Like, he's dealt with a lot of this quickly. Yes. And if you've got a man who has been doing this for a really long time and he just...

Like, he's dealt with a lot of this stuff. Yeah. He's dealt with goons in armoured suits a lot. All the time. Like, he's got a lot of hand grenades on him.

You know he does. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I reckon, like, a sticky hand grenade on the back of the suit. I reckon that'd do it. And him flailing

trying to get it. Maybe some flailing, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. What about all of Iron Man's suits from the movies against every movie and... suit i reckon that's just him flailing trying to get it maybe some flailing yeah yeah absolutely what about all of iron man's suits from the movies against every movie and tv version of batman in a football field in a i think i think that goes to adam west yeah does he have some sort of he'd have a rust spray it would have a rust spray and it'd work like 60s technology so you'd spray it and everybody would get caught in the rust cloud. Sure. And they'd just be, again, just flailing around.

And then, Dark Knight Returns Batman would show up and just snap everybody's neck. Yeah, absolutely. Systematically, work his way through. I'm tempted to throw my own here as well, but I want to get to the Listers ones, because then I'm like, could James Bond beat Batman? I'm like, nah, he probably couldn't.

If Indiana Jones couldn't beat Batman, Indiana Jones definitely couldn't beat Batman, could he? No, again, environmental factors. But even then, Batman could beat Indiana Jones for months. Yeah. Boy, this is a lot more complicated than that. We need a leaderboard. I know, right?

We've not thought this through. But it doesn't matter because we're not about thinking this through. That's right. We're about arbitrarily deciding things. This is from Lewis Edwards. Dick Grayson versus Jason Todd versus Tim Drake versus Damian Wayne. And I'm going to throw in

Carrie Kelly as well. I'm going to throw in Stephanie Brown. Spoiler. Short-lived Robin. Do we have any other Robins left? I'm going to throw in Robin One Million who's the little robot left? I'm going to throw in Robin One Million who's the little robot man I'm going to throw that guy in

I'm going to throw in Joseph Gordon-Levitt Dark Knight Rises throw him in absolutely so it's all the Robins yeah well look looking at that alone

Dick Grayson wins that oh really? I think simply because he's the most acrobatic, I believe. He's the world's greatest acrobat. Yeah, he's probably the smartest. Uh-huh. And he's better at keeping his cool.

Like a lot of these... He's got the best hair. He does have the best... Jason Todd is too hot-headed. Uh-huh. And he's been killed before. Oh, sure, yeah. I mean, everybody's been killed before.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that does shake your confidence a little bit. Yeah, that's it. Tim Drake is probably oh is tim drake better than damian wayne uh well i would i would say yes but only because that's the that's sort of the robin that i grew up reading okay sure i'm gonna say yes but i think also dick grayson's the only robin or this probably isn't true who's taken on the batman mantle yes for an extended period of time i just feel like he's the only Robin, or this probably isn't true, who's taken on the Batman mantle. Yes. For an extended period of time.

I just feel like he's the one who's worked closely with Batman for the longest. Batman would paste any of these guys as well. Oh, definitely, yeah. So I feel like he's the closest to Batman of all the Robins. He would beat up his child. He would beat up his own child and all his adopted children. Absolutely he would. Yeah.

Look, but okay, also, Jason Todd, Damian Wayne, killers. Yes. Yeah, that's a good point. And Jason Todd does carry a machine gun a lot of the time. So, we very rarely factor in that some people carry guns around. Sure. But yeah, even then, I still think Dick Grayson is the best Robin. Okay.

If you just took them purely as Robins. Okay. Because I didn't think Jason Todd... Wait, are we saying... We're not talking Red Hood. Oh, okay. So, it's all the Robins in their prime as Robin.ins. Okay. Because I didn't think Jason Todd... Wait, are we saying... We're not talking Red Hood. Oh, okay. So it's all the Robins in their prime as Robins.

Yes, yes. Okay. That's okay. Carrie Kelly's got that tank. She does own a tank. But she does also... And a slingshot. She's a tank and a slingshot.

She does have a tank and a slingshot. But then Tim Drake also has a slingshot. Oh, yeah. But not a tank. I think Damien Wayne might also have a slingshot. Man. What are slingshots? That's a lot of slingshots. A lot of slingshots. It doesn't seem like a slingshot. Oh, yeah. But not a tank. I think Damien Wayne might also have a slingshot. Man.

What are slingshots? That's a lot of slingshots. A lot of slingshots. It doesn't seem like a very effective weapon. No. Okay, I was going to say, Dick Grayson's got the sticks, but he doesn't have them. No, not only his Nightwing. Because his...

Correct. What if it was like Nightwing versus Red Hood versus fucking whatever? Versus Red Robin or whatever? I think we should do... No, I think we should do Robins. Just as Robins in their prime. Let's come back to that another day. Yeah.

And we'll have to. Legally, we have to now because we've started this. I think you're saying Dick Grayson because he's the main guy. He's the first guy. I reckon a Tim Drake winner. Okay. Better suit, certainly. Sure.

Pants. It's got pants, for example. So he's not going to die of shame or winner. Okay. Better suit, certainly. Sure. Pants. It's got pants, for example. So, he's not going to die of shame or cold. Sure. In the bitter winter. Yeah. It's winter in this football stadium situation. So, there's snow.

No, there's no snow. Okay. Okay. I reckon Tim Drake's got the better gadgets. Okay. Damien Wayne is a killer though, isn't he? But he's little. Yeah, he's little, yeah.

But he's got a katana. I'm going to go Tim Drake. He's got all the gadgets. He's got the night vision. Sure. He'd throw down a smoke bomb, switch on the night vision. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

No, I think I would say definitely Dick Grayson. He's got the tech. I'm going to go with Tim Drake. I'm going to go Dick Grayson. And again, it's the football field. Acrobatics, fine. Yeah. Not that useful in an open football field.

Oh, pretty useful, but... And Tim Grayson got the big stick. Yes, he does. Yeah. Good point. Yeah. All right. This is from Lewis also.

Different Lewis. Okay. Spelled differently. Malcolm Reynolds versus Han Solo. Ooh. Depends on the Han Solo, obviously. Let's say prime. I reckon with these, we're going to have to go with prime of their life.

Yeah. Every time. Yeah. Okay. So not old upcoming Harrison Ford yeah unless circumstances dictate otherwise

yeah and by that I mean we arbitrarily decide to change it Prime of their life alright Prime of his life Malcolm Reynolds

which is the only time I've seen Malcolm Reynolds correct and Han Solo like in You Hope Empire Strikes Back right right he's kind of losing his edge

by Return of the Jedi yeah there's love and whatever that freezing fucked up his brain, I think. Yeah. He's just wandering in supermarkets now. What do you think?

Ah, because they'll both, look, Han will shoot first, as we know. Well, it depends on the version. The Prime of the Life original,

yes. Definitely did, yep, yep. But so does... Malcolm Reynolds will kick a guy into a jet engine. Yes.

So... Which is why I think Malcolm Reynolds would win. Yeah, okay. I think... Football field, though. Football field.

Guns. Yeah, guns. They both got... I think Malcolm Reynolds is a better drawer as well. You think he's faster? Yeah. Look, the people in Star Wars are not known for being good shots. No.

Ever. But he's a very good shot. Malcolm Reynolds is a really good shot. Yeah. I think we're going to ruffle some feathers with this Sure Like I think it's quite clear cut who the winner is But I think people are going to be upset I think it's Mel Reynolds

Yeah Also Have you ever seen Han Solo in a fist fight as well? There are a lot of double handed punches There's a lot of double handed punches Exactly And tapping a guy and running away Yeah yeah yeah

But Malcolm Reynolds also again Can be beaten for a really long time They are both Both yeah Yeah That's true So I think Malcolm Reynolds also, again, can be beaten for a really long time. They are both, both, yeah. Yeah. That's true. So I think Malcolm Reynolds is good. And Han Solo's been tortured a lot, right?

Oh, yeah, that's a good point. He was tortured by that weird robot with all the pointy bits. But he wasn't in good shape after that, was he? No, true, yeah. Malcolm Reynolds has been tortured and then he wrestled that guy, but then his team, because remember, the guy was going to kill Malcolm Reynolds and they let him sort it out. And he's like, no, help me. I'm going to die.

But remember when Malcolm Reynolds fought that guy with the sword. Yeah. See, I was going to say, I'm going to go with you. And he's got the pressure point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't know. Han Solo is like an alien humanoid man, but he seems quite, he's a regular dude.

Yeah. We don't know. In the Star Wars universe, they could all be 100 feet tall. Oh, you're right. We just don't know. I Star Wars universe they could all be a hundred feet tall oh you're right we just don't know I reckon because Mal Reynolds has clearly had a lot

of battlefield surgery yeah like he's had nerve clusters moved around and stuff like that we don't know what he's got going on there no

I reckon he doesn't I reckon he probably doesn't feel a lot a lot of pain no generally I think the answer is clear cut

it's going to be Mal Reynolds yeah I think he's he's the modern day yeah he's the modern day Han Solo sure yeah I think he's the modern day. Yeah. He's the modern day Han Solo. Sure. Yeah, I think he's...

Or you mean the early 2000s Han Solo. Correct, that is what I mean, yes. I think as a pilot, Han Solo is a better pilot, though. Yes. Malcolm Reynolds isn't strictly a pilot either. He has a pilot. Yes. So, that's pretty good.

Yep. Well, we'll probably ruffle some feathers there, but no. Well, I reckon it's Mal Reynolds. Yeah, me too. What about in a handsome off? Prime of their life, both of them Well, I reckon it's Mal Reynolds. Yeah, me too. What about in a handsome off? Prime of their life. Both of them. I think Han Solo's got it.

I think Malcolm Reynolds has a better outfit. Yeah, no, you're right. He does better outfit and a better head of hair. Yeah. But I think Han Solo's more handsome. Yeah. Yeah. And he's got that scar.

Yeah. It's pretty sweet. Pretty sweet. Yeah. Email in, guys. And girls. Who's more handsome? Yeah.

No, we just want to know what the guys think in guys and girls. Who's more handsome? Yeah. No, we just want to know what the guys think. Okay, good. Who's more handsome? Yeah. And everyone, every email has to start with, I'm not gay, but. But, yeah. Right, this is from another Lewis. Oh, yes.

This is Lewis from Scotland. Three Lewis's in a row. Tobey Maguire Spider-Man versus Andy Guttmacher. Any other Spider-Man. Any other Spider-Man. You don't want the specific spider-man doesn't matter unless it's a mope off or a dance off even then yeah no he wouldn't win yeah versus andrew garfield spider-man no question no i feel wittier yep better hair yep looks younger yep

not as mopey yep i think mcguuire might be stronger. Because we haven't really seen... You mean Tobey Maguire the actor? No, I don't mean that. He's not that trained, I guess. That's what I'm talking... I mean, that was hard. Yeah. Like, he blacked out.

Yeah. But we haven't really seen Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man physically exert himself to that extent. Okay, good. That actually is a good point. But I still think that he would lose. If we're saying... I'd say it's a fight. Yeah.

It's a fight. Okay. It's a fight. Okay. Yeah. All of these are fights. Okay, good. Yes, I've been assuming they're fights, yes. Look. I don't know.

Do you think web shooters are going to play into this? Who's got the better webs? Maguire. Because they're organic. Yeah. But I think... And a metaphor for adolescence, probably.

But I think even if Maguire got in close and he could break his web shooters, which we've seen happen to Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man. Yeah.

I still think... No, I still think Andrew Garfield's got it. Okay, yeah. I didn't factor in... It's weird that I didn't factor in strength. I just factored in

annoyance with the character. So, yeah. So, Matt, what do you think now? What's the strongest thing Andrew Garfield, Spider-Man, has done? He beat up that lizard. Oh, yeah? Sort of. I could have done that.

That's true. I don't know. I think he's more... It's not as clear what his powers are and what he's capable of. Right, right, right. I think he's more... He's definitely more acrobatic. He's certainly destined for greatness.

Destiny style. I won't stop banging on about it, but yeah, I think he's more acrobatic. I think he's faster. Yep. I think he has a better suit, especially in the second one. Let's say, hypothetically, they both webbed each other to the ground. Yes. Like a foot awaybed each other the ground yes like a foot away from each other and they just punched who wins i reckon it might be mcguire

yeah because again he stopped that train he stopped that train and he's more ripped i think as well he's kind of the garfield one's kind of leaner and you know kind of a litho kind of spider-man but yeah i i'd have to I think I have to go with Andrew Garfield. Maybe. I think that could be an annoying thing. Right, yeah. Like a Mophie thing. But yeah.

Yeah. It's a shame that Andrew... If it was a Spider-Man pageant, it would be Andrew Garfield. Sure. It's a shame that Andrew Garfield isn't in better Spider-Man movies. Isn't it, though?

Yeah. But anyway. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I'm going to go with... I think Garfield, more acrobatic. I don't think it's all about strength necessarily. No, it's not.

I think. And I think he could fluster Maguire more. Because Spider-Man is more about flustering. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's wittier. He's a bully essentially.

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I think that he could annoy Maguire. And I think modern day Garfield Spider-Man would also be better at cyber bullying as well. So like they'd be fighting and then, then Tobey Maguire Spider-Man would also be better at cyberbullying as well. So, like, they'd be fighting and then Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man

would check his Twitter and, like, he's got heaps of notifications and it's all like, you're an idiot, you suck, kind of thing. And then he'd be like, and then he'd get punched in the face. In the face, yeah. I think...

And also, Maguire, under stress, has been shown to lose his powers. Yeah, true. If you find that thing that he loves and you take it away from him. Web stop working. Yeah, his powers just fucking shut down. Yeah, yeah. His vision blurs.

He's no good. True. So, yeah. I reckon it's Garfield. Good work, Garfield. Let me think. What about Bill Murray Garfield versus Garfield the comic strip? Oh.

I reckon if you just, like, pulled lever And like Tons and tons of like Remainded Garfield books Just landed on Bill Murray I'm pretty sure he'd die Okay Bill Murray Garfield Yeah But also Bill Murray

Okay good Whatever just put them both under there Sure I don't want them to die But I'm just saying Yeah Yeah I think if Both Spider-Mans

If either landed like a A punch at maximum power They'd knock out the other one. Yeah. So I think it's acrobatics. Okay. Gotcha. Fair enough.

We've got a lot of these. We're like over an hour. That's all right. Or around an hour. Look, we'll save some for next time. Sure. Yeah. Daredevil versus Cyclops.

This is from LegitKajit. See, what's going to happen here is I'm going to run out of steam and enthusiasm. And we'll just go... So we quit while we're ahead. And then I refresh. I brush my teeth again. We do it another week. Okay, cool. It's going to run out of steam and enthusiasm. So we quit while we're ahead. And then I refresh. I brush my teeth again. We do it another week. Okay, cool.

It's going to be great. Yeah, Daredevil Cyclops. I think up close, definitely Daredevil. Yes. Cyclops gets a bad rap. He does, but I think that... Because he's boring. In the movies, he's boring.

He's not boring. He's got a lot of depth, but nobody cares. He's got one power and it's... He's got one of Superman's powers. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But I think... We should talk about that got one of Superman's powers. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But I think...

We should talk about that. Yeah, we should. Now? Next time. Okay. Maybe after this. I'll do this and then we'll... All right.

Because we brought it up. Sure. Daredevil versus Cyclops. So up close, Daredevil is a better martial artist. They're both just men. But I think, again, Daredevil, and I come back to this a lot, can take a beating like you wouldn't believe. Yeah.

And he's just got... He runs on pure grit't believe. Yeah. And he's just got... He runs on pure grit and adrenaline. Yeah. And just... He's pulling teeth out. He's pulling his own teeth out, left, right, and centre. Exactly.

Just throwing them down the sink. He doesn't care. Doesn't give a shit. Yeah. So, I mean, Cyclops could just stand at a distance and shoot him. So there's that. Yeah.

We're talking football field. Yeah. But also, Daredevil's very acrobatic. If we're talking corridor, it's Cyclops. Yes. You'd think it'd be Daredevil because very acrobatic. If we're talking corridor, it's Cyclops. Yes. You'd think it'd be Daredevil because he's a good

close-in fighter, but if Cyclops just flicks the visor right open like all the way, he could just fill the entire corridor. There's no way out of that.

Yeah. Which would be hilarious. Yeah, you're right. Football field. Also, but that's a concussive blast. Yeah. It's not really a laser, is it?

It's not a laser. So, it could knock him out. Or probably kill him. It'd be like he'd been hit with a train. Like, he can knock a forest down with that beam. So, it'd be like, yeah, hit with a train or a plane. So, yeah, it would just splatter him still, wouldn't it? Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. Alright. So, football field. Here's the thing, though. He'd throw that stick at him in the face. Exactly. Look, football field. fear see here's the

here's the disadvantage cyclops cyclops like he has enhanced spatial awareness so you can do trick shots yeah what are your trick shot trick shot off on a football field goal post just the one just once yeah there's one yeah you're right if i can see that coming yeah Yeah, he can. Like, let's say they both started... He can hear it coming, Mason. Good point. Good point. Go on, Simon. I was going to say... Okay, so they started both...

They started different ends of the football field, right? Yeah. And they run at each other, one assumes. Right? If Daredevil can see...

If Daredevil can hear... Yeah. If Daredevil can sense that blast coming... Yeah, I reckon he could dodge every single one of them up until they're close in and then Cyclops is done. Yeah, I would agree with that. Unless Cyclops, again, what's an American football field? What's an American goalpost look like? It's that weird thing that looks like a fork, right?

Yeah, it's a fork. You think you could rebound it off him? like goalposts look like. It's like a... It's that weird thing that looks like a fork, right? Yeah, it's a fork. Hmm. You think you could rebound it off there? Here's how I reckon people would write... Here's how I reckon they'd write it. Yeah. Again, assuming this is a comic book in which we start at two ends of a football field.

Oh, what if somebody wrote... Look, Marvel DC, if you're out there... They should call it Two Ends of a Football Field series. Football Field Comics. It should be called football field team up. Here's how it would go. It'd be very tense.

They'd run at each other. Dandel would dodge every single one of those blasts. Yeah. Dandel throws his sticks. Cyclops vaporizes him probably. Yeah. Then Cyclops fires a blast off. He ricochets it off the far end of the football field, off the goalpost.

Here's Daredevil in the back of the head. He's done. I don't think so. Really? I don't think that would happen. I think Daredevil was, again, because Daredevil was not relying on a line of sight. Yeah, true. He's well aware what's happening behind him as he uses things in front.

Can he sense that force blast? Absolutely. I would say so. He could probably even smell it. It's probably got a weird kind of laser burn kind of smell it's probably like ammonia yeah that's right yeah

I like Cyclops yep I think tactically if they both were running a team Cyclops would would beat him because most people don't listen or like Daredevil

yeah true most of Daredevil's friends hate him right or he cuts them off yeah that's a good one though I can't wait for that TV show

I think you're probably I yeah I think that's how to can't wait for that TV show. I think you're probably... Yeah. I think that's how to be... I think Daredevil would probably... Yeah. I think you're probably right. All right, cool. What about this one?

Wolverine versus Batman. Hey, what about if Cyclops force blasts the ground so hard, like shockwaves... Yeah. ...ruins the whole sense situation? Okay, sure. Yep. I reckon if he hits the ground hard enough......I reckon he's going to be disoriented. Okay. Okay, sure, yep. I reckon if he hits the ground hard enough,

I reckon he's going to be disoriented. Okay, that's a fair point. Like, I reckon Cyclops' earthquake strength, like a little bit of an... I reckon that would disorient him long enough

to get in a good solid double hand punch on the back of the head. Anyway, that's up in the air. I think that's quite a close one. Yeah, agreed. That's a really good point

that last thing you said. Yeah, well done. I'm glad I said some words. Where were we? Stargazer. What? XX on both sides. Okay, right. That's a name on Twitter.

Okay, right. Wolverine versus Batman. I've got here, the question is, could Batman hurt Wolverine faster than Wolverine could heal? Oh, good question. Ah, football field. Here we go. Because they don't know each other. No. Ah, football field. Here we go. Because they don't know each other.

No. That's the thing. You cross universes, they don't know. So I reckon Batman couldn't... In order to really hurt Wolverine, he'd have to use lethal force. Yes. And he's not willing to do that. Yeah.

Initially. Initially, no. But I think he'd cotton on pretty quick that this guy can heal. Yes. And he's not willing to do that. Yeah. Initially. Initially, no. But I think he'd cotton on pretty quick that this guy can heal. Right. I think he'd probably pick that up. And he'd probably be able to tell that he's got adamantine by the way that he walks or whatever. That he's got like a... Yeah, yeah. Because of the structure and the heaviness

of him or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Wolverine enhanced senses. Smoke bombs and stuff not going to work. No. Blackout not going to work. No. Okay. okay alright how about this taser wouldn't work sorry like a taser wouldn't really work yep

so go on I think it probably would a bat taser like a really good one I think it would he has to take down Killer Croc yeah

like he's got a good taser I think it would stop him initially but I think as soon as that taser's shut off he's up adamantium skeleton though yeah even then

I reckon they're going to if we're writing this I reckon they're going to factor that in we're writing this, I reckon they're going to factor that in. That's going to be really intensely painful. Yeah. Like, if all your bones are made of metal. They are. Yeah. Taser.

You don't want that. Yeah. Okay, I reckon if... How about this? I reckon the second Wolverine gets the claws out, Batman would know that he can heal. Yeah. Because he, you know, he's like... That's through the... That's through his skin. He's wearing gloves or not. Yeah. Yeah. Here he, you know, he's like... That's through the...

That's through his skin. Depends whether he's wearing gloves or not. Yeah. Yeah. Here's a hot tip, Wolverine. Wear gloves. Yeah. I think that up close...

The thing is, Wolverine would only need to land one punch. Boy, would he. Yeah. And Batman would have to land all his punches and avoid being punched. Yeah. Wolverine would only really need one claw. Yes. Just the punched. Yeah. Wolverine would only really need one claw. Yes. Just the one.

Yeah. I think that might go to Wolverine, just based on Batman couldn't hit him quick enough to knock him down. If we're using football field rules they've never met before, it could definitely go to Wolverine. Yeah. Are we assuming battle to the death in these? But again, you can't do that because you'd have to base it on the character.

Yeah. And Batman wouldn't kill him. Wolverine is inclined. If Wolverine sees a guy coming at him, he's going to kill him. Yes. Inherently, right?

Yes. Unless he's feeling particularly merciful. Yeah. Unless he's like, look at this Goomba in his, you know... In his voice.

Canadians don't say that. No, they don't. Do they? Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this stack of pancakes and maple syrup. There we go. There we go.

Yeah, I think it would be Wolverine just based on one part. Look at this guy with the fries with the gravy and the cheese on them. What's that called again? I don't know. Doesn't matter. Canadian listeners, email in. Forget everything else. Remind us what that's called. Start your email with, I'm not gay, but... That thing that you mentioned is called...

It's called the cheese thing, yeah. What was I going to say? What about Spider-Man and Wolverine? I think again... We've established, I think, you web him to a building, you hit him... You web Wolverine to a building, you hit him with another building. Yes. But can Spider-Man throw a building?

I reckon... He could probably pull a building down. Yeah, I reckon he probably could. throw a building. I reckon... He could probably pull a building down. Yeah, I reckon he probably could. In a pinch. Yeah, I reckon he could pull like the side... What's his limit? Like a weekend... Yeah, what's his limit?

His 10 tonne? Somewhere between 10 and 30, depending on how he's been written. Yeah. I reckon he could pull down the side of like a run-down tenement building. Sure. It's really down to bits. We're still on Wolverine Batman? Yeah, sorry, yeah.

I'm going to give it to Wolverine. All right. Or, Wolverine's a lot heavier. Yeah. And Batman is a lot... He's quite familiar with somebody trying to stab him. Yes, he's... That happens all the time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good question. Yeah. Wolverine could be knocked out, right? Yeah, he hit him hard enough. That's a tough one. But again, Batman can't hit at superhuman strength. Correct. Yeah enough it's a tough one but again batman can't hit at superhuman strength correct yeah that is a tough one because the only time movie if we're talking movie movie

wolverine the only time wolverine's been knocked it was when he was shot in the head oh yeah and it was down for like 30 seconds or whatever yeah boy it's tough it is tough i don't know i'm gonna say wolverine if just if you can land one. That's all he can do. Yeah, yeah. He needs to land one. Yeah, exactly. Because Kevlar's not going to stop at a man to him.

Absolutely not. Or whatever his outfit is. Yeah, yeah. Okay, what about this one? This is from DaleLW1997. I'm going to say that Wolverine Batman one is still open. Okay. I reckon we could do a whole episode on that.

Sure. We're not going to. No. We could. What about Doomsday vs. Onslaught? I debate. I reckon we can do a whole episode on that. Sure. We're not going to. No. We could. What about Doomsday versus Onslaught? I had to look up Onslaught because I'd forgotten.

The subconscious creation of Professor X and Magneto. All their worst qualities. Yep. In their prime. Yes. That's got to be Onslaught, right? Because he's got mind powers

where he can just shut his head down. I'm pretty sure Doomsday's immune to that. Oh, fuck him, man. Well, see, here's the thing. Are we talking Doomsday, death of Superman, Doomsday?

Well, the prime of Doomsday would be every time he dies, he gets better. Yeah, he's always in his prime. So it's just the last time that he was around. Yeah, yeah, because he's immune to whatever killed him the last time. So he was immune to being beaten to death after Superman.

Pretty much, yeah. With that Superman story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know whether he's had his mind shut down before. He probably has, I'm sure. And it depends whose powers Onslaught can access, because by the final battle of the Onslaught saga, Onslaught also had captured Franklin Richards, the son of Reed Richards and Sue Richards from the Fantastic Four.

He's got reality-altering powers, so he can essentially do anything. Yeah. At that point, he did anyway. Yeah. And that's, I reckon, he could trap Doomsday in a pocket dimension for a while. That could work. Sure. Until he punched his way out of it.

Yes. You know how people can do that. But even though that he's got Magneto's powers, steel girders, or if he's standing in a building or on something metal, just lift him into space and he'll just float away because they can't fly yet yeah

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we got it I thought of it yeah alright well I'm gonna go with Onslaught I don't know that much about Onslaught either yeah I think you're right because about Onslaught either.

Yeah, I think you're right because... Also, Onslaught is only marginally physical. Yeah. And all Doomsday's got is punches. Yes. Right? Yes. So, I think you're right. And bones.

And protruding bones. Protruding bones. Yeah. And that weird gas mask suit that he's wearing. And some chains. He's probably got some chains. He's got some chains, yeah. No, I think you're right.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would say Professor X's powers are useless the Professor X okay but

because I don't think telepathy works on him okay but yeah I think you're right throw him into space yeah he's definitely powerful enough to do that yeah

sweet as yeah sweet as sweet as bro this is from 00283466 not his real name? Maybe. No. Frank Gorsham Riddler versus Jim Carrey Riddler versus a pack of wild dogs.

Oh, my goodness. Pack of dogs. Football field. It's a pack of dogs. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Do you think Frank Gorsham could beat Jim Carrey? Yeah.

Yeah. I reckon he's... Oh, actually, I don't know. Frank Gorsham can fight. How do you mean? Well, you've seen him fight in the TV show. He can fight Batman, sort of. Yeah.

You never see Jim Carrey, Riddler fight, really. Yeah. Frank Gorsham Riddler was definitely the darkest of those characters in that show. We mentioned this before, yeah? Yeah. Like, it should have been the Joker. Like, nowadays, it's the Joker. Yeah.

But it was definitely the Riddler back then. Yeah. All right. So, we take it that step too far. Look, I, it's the Joker, but it was definitely the Riddler back then. Yeah. Alright. So, he'd take it that step too far. Look, I think... Look, I think... Gorshin would bring

Jim Carrey to the ground and then the dog pile would jump and then everybody's just... They're just meat. They're just meat, yeah. I can imagine

one of them going, Riddle me this! And then the pack of dogs just pile on top. Yeah, yeah. Doesn't matter who said it. It's irrelevant going Riddle me this And then the pack of dogs Just pile on top Yeah yeah Doesn't matter who said it It's irrelevant Riddle me This is from Cody

Uh huh Hey Cody Hey Sonic the Hedgehog Versus Flash in a race Flash Flash Yeah

But Yes No there's never There's never any version of the Flash Who's more fabulous Sonic He's got all them rings He does So Sometimes unless who's more fabulous Sonic he's got all them rings he does

sometimes unless he gets tapped then they're everywhere they're bloody everywhere you know in Sonic if you lose all your rings and you can actually manage to

collect them all back you don't get the number that you lost that's mean it's total bullshit yeah that's really that's really something good question Cody

yeah sorry we answered that so quickly no that's right Batman vs. Cap. I come back to Batman a lot. Yeah. I reckon we should go. I think we shouldn't repeat.

Okay. I think because Captain America and Batman are both in there. Alright, done. They're out. I think they fought in... They fought, just, they did fight in Marvel vs. DC. I think it was a draw. Okay. I think they were like, hey, let's stop. Yeah. Let's be cool about this okay

you also put in Aquaman vs Wolverine which we've talked about uh huh Aquaman is stronger than Wolverine yes and would tear him in half

probably yeah or drown him yes that's from the official goat of the podcast he also said do some villains

because you guys ignore them and he accused you specifically wow but no we will do a villains one we've talked about some villains,

but I think we'll do a specific villain one of these as well. Yeah, I reckon... Look, I would say... Again, if Wolverine gets the first punch in, that's going to be Aquaman staggering around with the blood spurting out his jugular. But I would say... Aquaman does have strong skin, though.

But I guess Adamantium could be... Adamantium beats a lot. Yeah. I would say they're running at each other Wolverine gets actually they're not running Aquaman Wolverine's running

Aquaman isn't running he's just standing there Wolverine gets the claws out Aquaman summons summons a tidal wave somehow yeah or a whale yeah

and look by the time Wolverine's cut himself out of a whale you know Aquaman's gone to lunch. He's gone to lunch. He's left. Yeah, yeah. He's off to a royal feast of some kind.

This is Joachim. Also, I know that Aquaman's powers don't actually include summoning a wave. But I don't care. But he could do, like, whales to make the wave or whatever. Yeah, whatever. Just a Joachim. He wins because of really vague powers. Yes.

That's why. Joachim. J-O-A-C-H-I-M. Is that Joachim? I don't think so. Yeah, I mean. You're like Joachim. Joachim. Joachim. Like Joachim Phoenix. But thenA-C-H-I-M Is that Joachim? I don't think so Yeah I mean You're like Joachim Joachim

Joachim That's what I thought Joachim Phoenix But then it's spelled It doesn't matter Yeah The Joachim J-Bomb

Squirrel Girl versus Codpiece I don't know who Codpiece is I looked it up I didn't know either It's a DC character Is he a joke character Like Squirrel Girl Possibly

I mean he's called Codpiece Yeah he's got a A gun for a dick Codpiece Kind of thing Yeah Squirrel Girl is also a joke. Possibly, yes. I mean, he's called Codpiece. Yeah, he's got a gun for a dick. Codpiece. Yeah. Squirrel Girl or Codpiece? Squirrel Girl.

Yes. That's how the rules work. Also, she'd kick him in the Codpiece and the gun would go off. Shoot his dick off. Like, I mean, that's the joke, right?

That's the joke. Yeah. This is just for Face Boo 1. Hellboy versus Luke Cage. Hellboy. Yeah. Stronger? Stronger. Right Hand of Doom. Yep. Gun.

Although Luke Cage is bulletproof. Yeah, it's a football field situation. I feel like you could crack Hellboy like a crab. Yeah, that's actually a that's a really good point. But I still think right hand of doom would knock out Luke Cage. Yeah, I think they can both take a beating. Yeah.

I'd imagine they can both take quite the beating. But I'm going to say Hellboy. He's probably got some sort of magical trinkets as well. I'm sure he does. Magical barrier, you know. He's got all kinds of stuff. All that kind of gear. Yeah.

What about, this is from King Gradon. Yes. Or Kin Gradon. Nick Cage as Big Daddy versus Nick Cage as Ghost Rider versus regular Nick Cage. Ghost Rider, right? Because he's got magic and shit. None of those other guys do. He's got magic.

I mean, real Nick Cage might be magic. We don't know. That's true, yeah. Yeah, football field field it's definitely ghost rider yeah if we're in nick cage's house filled with bizarre trinkets and trophies yeah like he could probably amulets yeah and amulets he could probably just push over a bookcase that's covered in dinosaur skeletons and whatever and then it'll be crushed under it yeah i think nick cage could big daddy would kill nick cage yeah but that would be interesting to watch yes it would crushed under it. Yeah. I think Nick Cage could... Big Daddy would

kill Nick Cage. Yeah. But that would be interesting to watch. Yes, it would. Yeah. I mean, it would be satisfying to watch.

Yes. Yeah. This is from my brother. I would pit my four favourite characters of all time in a room together. IG-88.

From Star Wars, yeah. Star Wars Bounty Hunter. The one that looks like a broom. Yes. Boromir. For some reason he's the a part of the Reese character. Which is...

What's his face? The Sean Bean. Sean Bean. Versus Ant-Man versus Kyle Reese. Each is given 24-hour warning of who they're fighting. Incorrect. They're more on a football field. So I thought we were saying they specified that.

Okay, fine. Whatever. Fine. Go ahead. Each of them is given a 24-hour warning of who they are fighting so they can read up on the lore, backstory, strengths, weaknesses, and abilities of each member. Jesus.

Each has weapons abilities from their retrospective books, comics, films. They are then teleported simultaneously... To the football field. ...into the corner of an enclosed room and must fight to the death. How big is the room? It doesn't say. Oh, God. The size of a football field and must fight to the death. How big is the room? Doesn't say. Oh, God. The size of a football field.

Whoever wins... Thank you. ...will win a permanent place on my figurine cabinet, standing victoriously over the other three, who will sit on the shelf below in shame. I think IG-88's got that, because even Kyle Reese fought an IG-88 kind of thing. Yep. And he was woefully underprepared. Definitely was.

But then again, if he could bring his plasma rifles and shit, maybe Kyle Reese would win. Yeah, okay. Because if you take his... And who's the fourth member? Boromir, IG-88.

Boromir, let's discard that completely. Okay, yeah. Oh, Ant-Man, though. Ant-Man could go inside each of them and then grow and burst. Burst.

Brain hemorrhage. Yeah. Yeah. Even IG-88. Definitely, yeah. I'd say Ant-Man. Yeah, he could just go in there. He could shrink it down. Yeah. Just break a little circuit board. Yeah. Yeah. That's all ithage. Yeah. Yeah. Even IG-88. Definitely, yeah. I'd say Ant-Man. Yeah, he could just go in there.

He could shrink it down. Yeah. Just break a little circuit board. Yeah. Yeah. That's all it would take. Yeah. Mm.

This is a dumb question, your brother. Real dumb. Are you just angry that he took away the football field scenario? Yes. No, that's not going to be Ant-Man. Yeah, it will be. Pride of place. Because even if you know, even if all those people know that Ant-Man can shrink, what

are they going to do about it? Yeah. Nothing. You're right. He shrinks. He's as good as gone. He flies about. He gets in him.

He knocks them all out. Yeah. He kills them, whatever. Yeah. You're right. Yep. This is from Supreme Sunday. Hello.

Lady Ghostbusters versus Men Ghostbusters. Oh, wow. I know who the internet would like to win. And we don't know who the Lady Ghostbusters versus men Ghostbusters. Oh, wow. I know who the internet would like to win. And we don't know who the Lady Ghostbusters are. Right. But also, the regular Ghostbusters in their prime, Ghostbusters 2, no, Ghostbusters 1, they don't seem super prepared. No, they wouldn't be.

And they're really tight. They're so tight all the time. I'm going gonna go with lady ghostbusters because they'd probably be a lot fresher sure they had probably had a good night's sleep yeah these guys are just i mean we don't know yet do we no we don't yeah i'd agree with that this is from ralph cake boss ralph oh yeah i submitted three three way hey ralph three way death battle death battle lady death strike yep death said death lock death's head yeah space future space technology.

Yeah. Time travel. Craziness. We're in a football field. Yes. He could probably just lift the goalposts and stab them both. It's got the two tines on it. He'd just stab them both.

It's not even a thing. Although, see, there's a lot of different versions of Death Lock, though. Yeah. There's a crazy future version of Death Lock, and he's got like a satellite, like, like, orbital rail gun kind of situation. Okay. Which fires a billion rounds a minute or whatever,

and it can just lay waste to anything. So maybe, look, if he's got that, I'm going with it. Wait, that's Prime, isn't it? Nah, because that's like an alternate future. Okay. It doesn't really exist. Um,

yeah, I'm going to go with Death's, uh, Death's Head. Okay. Lady Deathstrike, no, she's got, no. Nah, she wouldn't win, especially movie version. Yeah. And Deathlock, nah,. No. No, she wouldn't win. Especially movie version. Yeah.

And Deathlock. Nah. He's just kind of a guy with some metal stuff. Yeah, yeah. Also, Death's Head. Axe for a hand. All them axes and stuff. I didn't even realise.

He's got that rocket. Yeah. He's got all sorts of stuff. Yeah. He's kind of a cowboy, is he? Yeah, kind of. He sort of speaks in verse. Yeah.

He's got a lot going on. Cool. Yep. This is from Matthew Yang. Which brother would win in a duel between the Ninja Turtles? He says, speaks in verse. He's got a lot going on. Cool. Yep. This is from Matthew Yang. Which brother would win in a duel between the Ninja Turtles? He says, ignore the movie. Not a problem. We haven't seen it.

I could definitely answer this, but what do you think? I'm going to say Leonardo because he's the most disciplined. Yes. It's not Michelangelo. No. Because he's got nunchucks and who can even use nunchucks anyway. I reckon it's Raphael because he's got the rage. Okay.

Donatello, let's rule that out immediately. Okay, good. It's not... I like Donatello, but he would not win that because he's... He doesn't seem to have

the natural affinity with fighting that the other ones do. It's not kind of his main thing. Michelangelo, they say, is the most naturally skilled, but he doesn't have the discipline. Doesn't have the discipline, precisely. So it would come down to...

It's Leonardo versus Raphael. It would come down to Leonardo versus Raphael. And I think on pure discipline alone... Yep. And Raphael would flip out and he would make a mistake and Leonardo would kill him. Okay. Not kill him. He wouldn't kill him.

No one would kill anybody in that scenario. Uh-huh. But no, I think Leonardo would win on discipline. Okay. And being the most boring. That's true, yeah. No, I like Leonardo. He's cool. being the most boring. That's true, yeah. No, I like Leonardo.

He's cool. Okay, but who's more handsome? Oh, that's tough. Probably Raphael. Oh, yeah, he's got the bad boy. He's got the bad guy. He's the Han Solo of the team. How many more do we have?

Can you save some more for next week? No, I've only got like five. We can get people to write in again. Yeah, yeah, totally. It's fine. Okay, good. And I think we're doing something else next week. Okay, good. Yeah. And I think we're doing something else next week.

Okay, good. Can't remember what. Doesn't matter. This is from Gabe's wife. Hey, Gabe's wife. Thor versus Captain Hammer from the

Doctor Horrible Sigalog blog. Thor. Yes. Is that a joke one? Is it because they both have hammers? They both have

hammers. Okay, good. Yes, Thor. Yeah. Would be good to see. Yeah. Would it? No, because you just kill They both have hammers. Okay, good. Yes, Thor. Yeah. Would be good to see. Yeah. Would it?

No, because you just kill him with a lightning bolt. That would be good to see. That would be pretty funny. That would be pretty funny. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's also got an interesting one. This is not from Gabe's wife.

This is just from Gabe. Aquaman versus Johnny Storm. I think because water gets out fire, they would win on that and strength. Incorrect. What? I would say, we said Aquaman versus... Yeah. I reckon, no, because the Human Torch can burn fire.

Oh, it's a different kind of fire, isn't it? Well, it's not even a different kind of... He can burn so hot that if you, like, shot a fire hose at him, it'd just evaporate immediately. Okay. So, would you even say he could fly under the water and fight Aquaman underwater? Because the water would just stay away from him? No, but again, football field rules.

Of course. Yeah. I think all it would take would be Aquaman to get a hand on him because he's just a regular guy and he could just snap his neck. Okay. And Aquaman does kill. Yeah.

He can do it. I mean Yeah. He can do it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they all can do it. Yeah, yeah. But then again, fire drying out. Yeah. Johnny Storm can also... It's harder than I thought.

He's got a... Yeah. He's got a... He's got like a last resort kind of ditch move. Yeah. Nova flame where he just burns like as hot as the sun. You do that in a football field. I reckon Aquaman's done.

You're not playing football there anymore. No, you are not. Yeah. Alright. Okay, fair enough. So Johnny Storm. I agree with you. You've changed my mind.

It's what we're all about on this podcast. Changing minds about irrelevant things. This is from the spider detective. Deathstroke. Wait a second. Is he a detective who detects spiders or is he a spider who's a regular detective? With a little detective hat?

Yes. I'll ask him. I'll hit him up on Twitter. If you could, yeah. Yeah. Deathstroke versus Deadpool. Deathstroke. Oh!

Deadpool's got healing factors and shit. So does Deathstroke. Not as fast. Pretty fast. Deathstroke's like an old man. Well, he's got... And he's got one eye. He's got wisdom.

Ah, okay alright alright I think in a sword fight they're pretty evenly matched they're both like swords don't they yeah um

also Deadpool's always banging around through time and shit yeah I don't know he's got a teleporter and stuff

yeah okay he's got like holograms and shit yeah okay and he's got a teleporter and stuff. He's got like holograms and shit. Yeah, okay. And he's got a healing factor. Everybody's got a healing factor. Deathstroke's got a healing factor. Not as good as...

Does he? Yeah. No, it's not as good though as... This is definitely a fight to the death. Yes. They'd both kill. And football field. Who's stronger? Deathstroke. Deathstroke might be stronger deathstroke definitely stronger

i reckon oh it's a good question i reckon that deadpool's gonna bounce around and not take it very seriously yep and i reckon that's gonna he's gonna pay for that yeah i reckon look i reckon deathstroke would put the sword through his chest he wouldn't die Deathstroke would cut his head off like with a second sword sure, fair enough and he would probably live through that I'm not saying Deadpool would die

I reckon he would live a lot of his fights end in him being decapitated and then he kind of rolls to escape or whatever alright, okay, alright I'll pay that do you have a dissenting opinion there? being decapitated and then he kind of rolls to escape or whatever yeah yeah alright okay alright I'll pay that alright we got a few more

do you have a dissenting opinion there nah it's fine okay I'm good with that yeah yeah I don't to be honest I don't know enough

about either if it's some sort of having depth perception competition Deadpool would win sure obviously yeah

Swamp Thing versus Groot from Alex our official king he says I don't care for either characters I thought I would shake things up a bit Swamp Thing would paste Groot yeah simply because well Sw king. He says, I don't care for either characters. I thought I would shake things up a bit.

Swamp Thing would paste Groot. Yeah. Simply because... Well, Swamp Thing can go through the Earth and multiply himself. Swamp Thing is the planet's Earth elemental. Yeah. He's... And Groot's just a dude. He can get his arms hacked off.

Yeah, yeah. He's got no arms. He's good at that. Yeah. Certainly, yeah. I think even Swamp Thing could control Groot. Probably, yeah. Yeah.

Alien, though, maybe not. I reckon it'd be like, he's from an alien world, my powers don't function on him, or something. I reckon a bit of that. In a monologue? Yeah. Thought bubble? Thought bubble definitely would be in that, yeah. I'm using my plant-controlling powers, but they're not functioning as well as I anticipated.

You know? Bit of that. This is an interesting one. We've talked about it. From Austin. Jason Bourne versus James Bond Daniel Craig would kill Jason Bourne

correct but we're talking at the time when Bourne came out Brosnan yeah Bourne would

kill Brosnan in a heartbeat with gadgets and all he'd beat him with a roll up newspaper he'd stab a pen in his throat stab a pen

yeah but Daniel Craig would probably beat Bourne yeah if we're talking super spies yeah I think Daniel Craig is the king of them all

yes until a better one comes along yes until maybe Kingsman comes out yeah and even then

that seems a little silly no yeah Bourne would it'd be a one second fight yeah with anyone other than Daniel Craig

yes and that would be longer yeah I think that would be yeah it would be it would go longer

but I think at the end Daniel Craig is bigger and stronger and he would win on pure brute strength yeah true yeah like the way that the Hulk

can beat Superman no no second last one I'm ready oh wait these aren't these aren't good ones to end on oh good it said this is from Mal TLS a lot of people wanted to hear this me versus you in a fight to the death to the death because we both kill yeah we both definitely kill and we're in a football field I'd have to find someone else to do the podcast with, though. Yeah, and I'd probably get distracted halfway through the run. Like, I'd be like... And they'd be like, oh, there's a sausage sizzle at the sideline.

I love a sausage sizzle. I cannot walk past a sausage sizzle. I can't either. Yeah. All right, what about this? This is from AtCoolCatsForever. Hello. If both you and Mason were given Superman's powers who would win da fight

is this the same one or is this no this is a different guy but this is us again but we've got Superman's powers I want 1970s powers damn it if we both get 1970s powers

it'd just be us reversing time for over and over again yeah exactly yeah yeah we just use the time I think you have a better knowledge of Superman's powers and I think you'd beat me on that okay cool that's what I think yeah there you

go I'd be reluctant to use the cellophane s though I'd go straight for it why no wrong good stuff thank you everyone we should definitely do this again I thought I enjoyed that I don't know when Tomorrow Great

Not tomorrow Nah Look we'll figure something out We might do it next week Because I think we need a break From this kind of stuff Definitely yeah Because otherwise

We'll just be like Gotta refresh That guy killed that guy With a stick Daniel Craig We'll just kill everybody Well now it's time for Our favourite segment of the show

Yes What we reading What we gonna read. I'm doing the thing. What are we reading today? Theme song was there. What are you gonna read? Well, I read, it's a newish comic.

It's called Copperhead. There's two issues out. Is it DC? I can't remember. It's on Comixology. Just look it up. Okay. Don't look it up. Is it DC's Copperhead? Is it the Liz I can't remember It's on Comixology Just look it up Don't look it up Is it DC's Copperhead?

Is it the Lizardman? No Oh no no No it's not I think it might be Image I'm pretty sure it's Image actually It's about a woman Who's a sheriff

Who moves to a small Kind of country town With her son To become the new sheriff Of that town Because the last sheriff Was killed And it's set in this

Kind of western world Wait Get this Yes Western world But it's kind of space And aliens Have you ever heard Of such a thing? I've never heard Of such a thing But it will guarantee To be successful set in this kind of western world wait get this yes western world but it's kind of space and aliens have you ever heard

of such a thing I've never heard of such a thing but it will guarantee to be successful there's like a simmering tension

throughout the town like a whole lot of issues that she's kind of coming across and whatever it's only two issues but I think it's

really really great yep I think it's better than a lot of things including black science which I enjoy but I've kind of stopped reading

which is also well what I've kind of stopped reading. Huh. Which is also English. Well, what I've been reading this week is everybody's always been banging on about, you know, get on a Game of Thrones. You should be watching Game of Thrones. You should catch up on Game of Thrones. So I've been watching Hannibal

because it was on my iPad and I'm like, well, should I delete these and put on Game of Thrones? But I've got all the season of Hannibal is on here. It's really good, isn't it? Yeah, it's good. It's quite dark for a network show

is it better than Dexter Dexter Hannibal who wins Hannibal Dexter Batman oh wait Football Field yes

I don't know Hannibal's quite he's quite deft Dexter's got Judo he's got Jiu Jitsu sorry Jiu Jitsu and Judo chops everybody's got Judo chops I don't know like Hannibal's quite he's quite deaf, like somebody's about, you know.

He's quite deaf, isn't he? No, deft, with a T. So deaf. Oh, goddammit, you're quite deaf. But like, there's a scene quite early on in the series where like one of his, you know, teammates is going to, you know, discover, you know, a secret that he wants to conceal. So he just smoothly walks up behind her and just bashes her head against the side of a hallway and knocks her out like it's nothing, like he's done it a hundred times.

Just like bang and she's out and he just lays her down nicely on the ground and he just makes up a whole backstory about how that happened. Like he is a calculating machine. Oh yeah, yeah, he is. But it's quite brutal. Calculating machine like a calculator? Yeah, like a calculator. Yeah.

But I've been watching that. I've heard good things. Yeah. I feel it might... I've done about five episodes. I think it might get a bit samey towards the back end. But we'll see. I've heard it gets...

It stays good. Also very styling, that guy. You love a stylin' suit. Super stylin', yeah. Cool. I also re-read Civil War this week. Oh yes. Read it before.

I own a physical copy but I actually downloaded it because I prefer the app. I've also found myself downloading stuff if it's in the other room. Because I just don't want to leave. I'm like, well, it'd take me 30 seconds to go into the other room. I reckon I can download this in 20 and see what happens. Click. Worth a buck. Yeah.

So, yeah. I've read it before. It's good. I think if you haven't read it, you probably should give it a read. Especially if you like stuff I've read it before. It's good. It's really good. I think if you haven't read it, you probably should give it a read, especially if you like stuff. I do like stuff.

You do. Yeah. All right, on to letters for this week, Mason. This is from the official airman of the show. Oh. He's got an Arkham Knight theory, right, about the upcoming Batman game Arkham Knight. Oh, yes, I'm ready.

For those who are not in the know, the villain in that is a guy who looks very similar to Batman, except he's kind of a more armory kind of Batman suit. There's no cape. Yep. He's got an Arkham kind of logo, and he's got a gun. Yep. Which I presume is maybe a gun, but it could be something else.

We don't know. But his theory is... Could be a broom. Could be a broom. Here's his theory. Poor Q. Umbrella. Umbrella. Okay, what's his theory? Here's his theory. Poor Q. Umbrella. Umbrella.

Okay, what's his theory? Here's my theory. The Batman in Arkham Knight is hush, and you play him for the entire game until you find out that Bruce is the Arkham Knight. Oh. I think that'd be fun, although it would probably never happen. That's very interesting. That's a great theory.

That is a great theory, yeah. I don't think that would happen either. How cool would that be? So what's the deal with the Arkham Knight? Do we know anything anything about that guy uh no we don't know anything about him okay and that because that's what i'm saying maybe that's not a gun yeah maybe it is a broom maybe it is a gun he's batman's secret signature weapon of the broom okay yeah yeah like if maybe batman has been placed in arkham asylum for a long time that's it he's escaped he's just been replaced yeah okay yeah yeah interesting and what's his as the Arkham Knight. Yeah, okay, yeah. Interesting.

And what's his name? He's just lived his life. Yeah, okay. That is very cool. I would like... See, that's... And that's the kind of thing... That is a big twist, but I wouldn't put it past the Arkham... Absolutely not. Asylum Arkham City guys, because that is... Good stuff. Molto Bene. Molto Bene. That's the Molto Bene side. Yep.

Also, as last week's episode was on Flash, what we're reading is the Black Lantern storyline, because Flash is awesome in this, and because I don't read a lot of Flash. I haven't read it. I haven't read it also, no. Black Lantern. There was a lot of...

During that story, like the Blackest Night storyline, there was a lot of Lantern comic books to get through. I'll see at some point if I can get through the whole thing, but there's a lot of... Are they good good though? are they? I don't know it's impossible to say

we'll never know we'll never know alright this is from 6244 listener from the first official female nerd of the podcast Lord of the Rings movie trivia champion

mother of no one Harry Potter book enthusiast official cat who freaks out in James' arms oh god it's a fairish your life story what are we personal biographers? she's read them before oh okay I remember I was listening to this week's cat who freaks out in James' arms. Oh, God. Sparrow's your life story. What are we, personal

biographers? She's read them before. I was listening to this week's episode and he discussed liking Arrow's normal voice when he meets the Flash. I was wondering if you noticed something else. In the episode, you see Oliver get a call from Barry to meet up. The oddity I am curious about is why Oliver has to dress up as Arrow to talk

with Barry because he clearly does. He must be thinking, oh, my friend Barry is awake from his coma and wants to talk. That's a good point. With Barry because he clearly does. He must be thinking, oh, my friend Barry is awake from his coma and wants to talk. Should I go grab a coffee with him? No, I'm going to dress up as Arrow so we can talk from a rooftop. Pretty good, right? Yeah. Just the thing a possibly coma-fatigued person needs.

He'll love us. Good point. That is a really good point. I mean, it's not as dramatic, is it? No. And you'd be like, who's this guy? Yeah. Who's this?

What's his? Yeah, what's he to you? Is that his high school bully from back in the day? Is that? It's very handsome, that guy. Yeah, you're right. That is a good point. Yeah.

I'd dress up, though. Any excuse to dress up in the costume. Absolutely. That's a really good point. That's from J.S. Earls. He's created such comics as Pistol Fist and Jekyll and Hyde Hyde Park not that Jekyll and Hyde

TV series which we hate and is terrible yes yeah he also says last week we mentioned how the love interest

of Arrow is Black Canary yep Laurel is Laurel's middle name is Dinah yeah a few people actually

wrote about this they even mentioned it once in Arrow's early episode so she's always intended to take up the Black Canary mask so the current one is going to die yeah Miner. Yeah. A few people actually wrote in about this. They even mentioned it once in Arrow's early episode. So she's always intended to take up the Black Canary mask. So the current one is going to die. Yeah.

Or just did. Yes. And we're going to get replaced. Okay. Yeah. I see that. Cool. Probably not quite as good at martial arts, though.

No. But, you know, you just time jump. You just time jump, exactly. That's all you do. Correct. All right. Time jump. This is from Frederick. Hey, Frederick. Since the Netflix Daredevil series has been announced, just time jump you just time jump exactly that's all you do correct all right time jump this is from frederick hey frederick since the netflix daredevil series has been announced i've been

really getting into the character especially frank miller's run oh yes uh numerous times uh he's reinvented characters you know including electro and the dark knight and he brought out the all-star i'm the goddamn batman and robin the boy wonder and whatever and he says we talk about how we have a Miller, Frank Miller rating system, Miller before and after he went crazy, right? And he was wondering if we could talk about the best and worst Frank Miller comics moments. And what is that defining point where he...

Where he went crazy. I think it's around 300. Mid to late 90s. Yeah, so he wasn't crazy for Sin City? No. Or he wasn't visibly, publicly crazy for Sin City? Has he done anything after 300 that is as iconic? I'm sure people would argue that he has.

But do you think... There's nothing that stands out. There's no Dark Knight Returns. There's no Daredevil Run. No. And that's fine. Of course, yeah. Okay, well, let's go through the list, shall we?

All right. I've got the list. Here's what he's done after... What are we talking? 300, is it? Sure. Okay. Hmm.

Hmm. Okay, Sin City, right? That was a big one. Yep. It's iconic. Good. Then he directed that... He directed The Spirit.

Yes. He ruined that. He drove that into the ground. Classic. Classic. The Spirit. And... the spirit yes he ruined that he drove that into the ground classic classic the spirit and let me think no not really i mean after after 9-11 maybe 9-11 was sure that was the tipping point that was the which was the midway yeah night strikes but i think he said something like i'm gonna do some propagandizing now. Okay. Like, that's an actual quote from him.

Okay. Yeah. So, at which point he attempted to, he pitched a series to DC called Holy Terror Batman. Mm-hmm. Holy Terror. Yeah. You get the joke there. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Right? Like Robin. Yeah. From the 60s. And it was going to be Batman fights Al-Qaeda. That was the, we might have talked about this before, but... We haven't.

And it didn't... DC were not keen. No. And then he actually... He wrote and released just Holy Terror. This was maybe 2011. It was many years later. Okay.

And it was basically a superhero who's quite similar to Batman, who has a love interest who is very much like Catwoman. And he fights terrorists. And it's pretty brutal. In a good way? Ugh! And his art style has gone very confusing, maybe? Stylized is maybe the way to do it.

I don't know, man. I know Alan Moore doesn't like him. Oh, there you go. They've had some public feuds. Oh, okay. Why is that, do you think? I can't remember exactly. I think it's their very differing views on the world.

Right, right, right. Alan Moore is quite liberal. Yeah. And I think Frank Miller is quite conservative at this point. Yeah, that's it. He was very much against the Occupy movement. Yeah. Remember Occupy?

Yeah, I remember, yeah. He called them pond scum. So that's... That's, you know, that's... Sure. That's certainly different. Let's talk about more world issues. Yeah.

No, let's never do that. Let's never do that. Let's talk about some of the stuff he did that was weird. Okay. So he did All-Star Batman and Robin, which by contrast to All-Star Superman, which is this weird situation with this really sadistic, just conservative Batman.

I think you said it was when he realised that Jim Lee could draw anything. And he made him draw anything, yeah. So if you wanted just like the Batmobile to grow wings and fly around and then blow up the warehouse, they were just fighting and whatever and kill everybody.

And Batman can call people retarded. Yeah, he can say that, yeah. His sidekick, for example. Yes. Yeah, but I mean, he's done a lot of classic work. I'm not saying that forgives anything that he's done or said. But you can't deny that he's done a lot of iconic work. Absolutely, you can't, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you know, people still believe that his work is a drawcard, you know. There's 300. Batman v Superman is clearly going to be a Dark Knight Returns homage. Year One is pretty much Batman Begins, a lot of it is, yeah. And Gotham, it's not really. We should maybe talk about those next week. Sure, yeah.

Okay, so that's the yeah that's the that's the rambling Frank Miller talk sure early on great now

look I don't read any of his stuff his name doesn't is not a draw card for me anymore right like out of all I've actually wanted to go back and read his Robocop 2 comic that's his original script for Robocop 2

yeah and I think three okay there's also a robocop 3 okay cool that that i would check it was not the his original script which is illustrated as opposed to the robocop 2 that actually made it to screen yeah yeah which actually isn't that bad either okay there you go that robocop 2 but anyway just thought that was interesting thank you frederick he's from germany hi germ. The country. Germany's pretty good. Yeah. All right. That's the show for this week, Mason.

Oh, there's one more thing. Aziz Talks wrote in. A lot of people... Remember we talked about the Patreon last week? Oh, yes. People want to donate and whatever. And we'll set up a different YouTube account and whatever. Uh-huh. So basically the idea is...

Everybody... Not one person wrote in and was against it. I guess because you don't have to put in for it at all. Correct. So, yeah, we're not forcing anyone. But Aziz Talk says, if you make a Patreon, I'll pledge $10 per month. Sorry, £10 per month, which is way better for us. If you randomly insult me on next week's podcast.

We don't want your fucking money, you piece of shit. You goomba. Finally got it. No, thank you no yeah you don't have to do that at all you can pledge one pound or no pounds

like that's fine I feel any kind of donation like this if you're gonna donate something donate like if it fell out of your pocket yeah and you didn't notice

yeah you wouldn't notice that's the amount obviously like a couple bucks if you're a student or you know you don't have the money

or you just don't want to pay yeah then don't you won't please don't we the money or you just don't want to pay, then don't. You won't. Please don't. We don't pay. No, we don't give a shit. Do we, Mason? No.

But yeah, people wanted us to talk about kind of stuff that we might do for that. So I've started a new YouTube channel, like a second one, which is Hidden and Secret. Basically, anybody who donates anything will get access to that. And I thought we'll put up our audio commentaries. We could do some Q& a stuff on there maybe um also me and you've been talking about doing a video game series yes where we'll play retro video games and make fun of them oftentimes superhero themed or like i'd say yeah superhero comic book or kind of movie themed just really bad maybe yes and look we don't even know how that's going to go because we've never done that kind of stuff before but i'm kind

of working out the logistics of that at the moment. So, anything like that, like, would go up there first and then, like, two weeks later on the regular YouTube channel. Fantastic. So, if you didn't put any money, you wouldn't miss out. It's just that you would get it earlier and there'd probably be a few little extra bits and pieces. Excellent. Very exciting. That we'd put up there.

If you want. Yeah. It's up to you. So, but again, haven't decided we're actually going to do it. I haven't even taken any steps to set it up. So, whatevs, man. Whatevs. Whatevs.

Whatevs. Yeah. That's the watchword. Whatevs. Cool. Yeah. Also, thank you to Britt and the Baskalists for the theme song. Every time.

Nailed it. Every time. Also, the weekly Planet Pod animated that Sean Willits did. Oh, that's amazing. It's gone really well. People love it. So, yeah. We're talking about doing longer versions of that.

Excellent. So, hopefully, we're going to tease something up. People have been super positive, which is cool. Because the internet is a difficult place. Sometimes it's a little bit difficult, you know? But, yeah, I really like it. And, look, even if, you know, like the podcast, I think his animation skills are, like, pretty fucking phenomenal.

They're amazing, yeah. He's great. So, yeah. Thank you, Sean. Daboy MKT had a good hashtag for this week. Hashtag register Dem powers. Oh, I get it. To side the Civil War.

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