The Weekly Planet - 564 Kathleen Kennedy GONE & Best/Worst Fantasy Movies (with Sanspants Radio)

Episode Date: March 2, 2025

You haven't seen Gollum anywhere, have you? Joining us in our search this week are Jackson Baly and Joel Zammit from Sanspants Radio to chat board games, lord of the rings and more fantasy movies! We've also got your regular serving of piping hot news including Kathleen Kennedy potentially leaving Star Wars, Andor season two's trailer, the Shrek 5 teaser, more annoying Warner Bros cancelletions including the Wonder Woman game, a whole lot of other DC stuff on the horizon and the return of MCU special presentations. Thanks for listening!Check out the kickstarter for Jarren’s Outpost right here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dndnerds/jarrens-outpostNew movie commentary track bonus for Kraven the Hunter! Plus entire back-catalogue of let's play videos, bonus podcasts, movie commentaries, early access and ad-free episodes all available on bigsandwich.coPlease be aware timecodes may shift up to a few minutes due to inserted ads.00:00 The Start02:56 Gene Hackman Family Tragedy05:44 Michelle Trachtenberg RIP07:36 Kathleen Kennedy Leaving Star Wars (maybe)22:39 Andor Season 2 Trailer25:24 Shrek 5 Teaser Trailer27:46 Wonder Woman Game Cancelled30:56 DCU Future & Entire Line-Up43:01 Mickey 17 Might Bomb44:09 MCU Punisher Special Presentation44:56 Search for Gollum Movie Update55:21 Jarren’s Outpost Board Game Kickstarter01:02:54 Best & Worst Fantasy Movies01:23:40 What We Reading, What We Gonna Read01:37:18 Letters, It’s Time For LettersSUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-moviesThe Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Weekly Planet Welcome back everybody to another episode of The Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. My name is James, also known as Mr Sunday, and with me as always is my co-host Nick Mason. It's great to be here. Nice. Seems the tables have turned this week. They certainly have, Mason. Well, I had a coffee so... Oh well.

I can't crack open a coffee, can I? What does that even sound like? You can get a can of coffee. Get a can of coffee? Did you bring me one? No, I said you... Useless, can I? What does that even sound like? You can get a can of coffee. Get a can of coffee? Did you bring me one? No, I said you can't. Useless information! I said you can't. Not helpful!

Bad start! Well, you seem like a man who's had way too much coffee or not enough coffee. Well Mason, it's- I'm so deep in the caffeine well that sometimes I'll just see it, you know you see just a van will go past and it's like a coffee roaster or something like that

and I go, oh yeah. Yeah. Like like it doesn't even what if that van crashed? What if I was involved in a deadly crash with this coffee van and I that's how I died Like it doesn't even it's not like even an ice cream van where it's like ready to go Yeah, it's not even like no, it doesn't even produce the smell. I'm just like the very concept of that. Oh yeah. Simply the idea of it. Yeah. Yeah. That's fun, Mason. It is fun. What's not fun though is a couple of deaths we're going to be discussing this week. Yeah. Very sad. Oh yeah. This is, this is weekly planet early edition, by the way. We're recording this Friday day. That's right. Our time. Potentially more sad things will happen over the weekend.

Oh yeah. We're not going to be, we're going to be there to witness them, but we won't have to be able to talk about them. I mean, will they be entertainment related? We don't know, but sad things will happen. That's so true. Don't worry about that if you were worried about it. But also some good things will happen. Yeah, but don't worry about that either.

Yeah, don't worry about that either. Yeah. Just, just, just thread the needle. Oh, we're going to talk about where we fall on this though. Kathleen Kennedy is apparently leaving Lucasfilm. We did it, folks. We did it folks. We did it. Finally.

A bloody, bloody 12 years too late. Oh, I don't care. We'll talk about it. Trailers for both Andor Season 2 and Shrek 5. Warner Brothers announced the closing of three more gaming studios. That's the duality of Andor and Shrek 5. Oh my god. You're not wrong. James Gunn and Peter Safran gave an update on all of their DC use slate For the upcoming DC movies and TV shows. Some is out, some is in. We'll talk about it

We're gonna talk a bit about a Punisher special that's in the works Oh, yes And then of course the hunt for Gollum has been delayed and then we've got a couple of special guests coming in That's right. To talk about epic fantasy movies that are good and bad. They're scratching at the doors. That's right Yeah, being all gross. They're being all gross. They're being all gross out bad. They're scratching at the doors. That's right, yeah. Being all gross out there. They're being all gross. They're being all gross out there.

They're touching all my things, Mason. Right? Yeah. They're doing that thing where you put your mouth under a window and you go, you kind of pop your face. Yeah. Like that. It's not cool what they're doing.

It's gross. It's where they're grubby boys. Yeah. Anyway, we've got Joel Zammat and Jackson from Sans Pants. They're coming in. And maybe they've got a board game they want to talk about. I don't know. We'll figure it out when they get in.

Cluedo? Cluedo! That's already out. What? Yeah. Time codes below if you do want to skip to anything. We'll start with this. Gene Hackman was found dead alongside his wife, Betsy Arakawa,

and their dog also at their home in Santa Fe, New Mexico. The sheriff's office told Sky News, we do not believe any foul play was a factor in their deaths. However, exact cause of death has not been determined at this time. People are saying carbon monoxide poisoning. Potentially, yeah. We don't, I don't know. That's speculation, but time of recording this is no idea. We don't have any further details. But that's, I. But that's very sad. Betsy Arakal was a classical concert pianist. I don't know much about her, but I mean, Gene Hackman, certainly.

Oh my god. Well, he was Lex Luthor three times. You know, perfectly nasty in that role. They're not my favorite movies in the world, but I think casting wise, they did. For favourite movies in the world, but you know, I think casting wise they did. For movies you hate, you liked them. Absolutely, yeah. But just incredible in that role. The Royal Tenenbaums. Get Shorty.

Sure. Mississippi Burning. Yeah. The French Connections, those two of them. Yeah, that's right. Enemy of the State. Yeah, Enemy of the State's fun. That probably, that may have been one of my earliest memories of Gene Hackman.

Yeah, post Superman. Yeah. What else I got here? Bonnie and Clyde he was in as well. He also two Westons, which I love one being unforgiven and the classic Quick in the Dead also. Sam, if you want to Sam Raimi Western, it's got a very young Leonardo Caprio and a Sharon Stone and a Gene Hackman. Really fun, good movie. And Russell Crowe. Russell Crowe's in that as well. What a career. I mean, he was 95. He was a former Marine. I remember a few years ago, I'm like, oh shit, Gene Hackman's still alive. I saw a picture of him. I'm like, okay, great, good.

Retired for quite some time. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But he seemed in good health. He's in a movie called The Conversation. It's a Francis Ford Coppola movie. Oh, the next one. And he's sort of a surveillance expert. And he was so good in that that the editor of the movie, Walter Murch, had like a revelation about editing and its relationship to acting that he wrote a book about it.

Oh, my God. He was like, Ackman is so good in this. I've got to... Yeah. It's called In the Blink of an Eye. It's called Everything I Did Before This Was Crap. That's right. Thanks, Gene Hackman. Yeah, thanks for ruining my life, Gene.

So yeah, I mean, you know, 95. That's a great, that's a great life and a great career for both of them, it seems. I don't know about the dog. Probably a good dog. Probably. Well, it counts. They had three dogs. Oh, okay. And two of them. Yeah. Okay. So I don't know what's going on. Again, we have no idea, but I mean, you know, but when you hear about this sort of thing, oftentimes it is, yeah, it's,

like you said, it's some sort of carbon monoxide poisoning, a gas leak. Yeah. You know, again, we can only hope they went, you know, in peace, you know, in their sleep. That would be good. Absolutely. Uh, and then we've got Michelle Trachtenberg. They released a statement saying, so her family, it was with great sadness to confirm that Michelle has passed away. They confirmed this to the Hollywood Reporter. The family requests privacy for their loss. There are no further details at this time. You probably would be most familiar with her, Mason, from Buffy. Yeah, I mean, so yeah. I mean, 39 years old, she was the titular Harry to the Spy

in the movie Harry to the Spy. She was on Gossip Girl. She was in Euro Trip. She was in Euro Trip, that's right. One of the great raunchy comedies of the early 2000s. And that was a real, yeah, great in that. But yeah, she was Dawn Summers in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. So she was sort of a in Buffy the Vampire Slayer show

She was sort of a late addition to the cast. Yeah sort of end of end of season 4 end of season 5. There are some evil Magical machinations so that Buffy to that point is an only child suddenly has a sister Mmm, and and it and she's sort of been inserted into that world As if you know seamlessly so nobody notices anything as a miss. Yeah. And so, yeah, so she was a really interesting character and like that's sort of a thankless task to come in late in a show's run and kind of have to integrate seamlessly. Yeah.

Like literally seamlessly into the show. She's not a new character. You know, she's... That was part of the narrative as well, the way that they... Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. Yeah. But yeah, again, we of the narrative as well. The way that they. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. Yeah. But yeah, again, we don't really know any details.

She recently had a liver transplant and it's not apparently it's not. There's no criminality suspected. So, yeah, it sounds like an illness. But again, speculation. We don't know in the family. We've obviously said there are no further details. Yeah. But I think a lot of, you know, a lot of, she was definitely a part of a lot of

people's childhoods and like sort of, you know, a bunch of iconic roles seem like a nice lady. Yeah. Yeah. That's bad. And 39, that's so, yeah. That sucks. Yeah.

Absolutely. Yeah. Well, Mason, let's move on to happier news for a bunch of people. I think. Oh my God. The internet. Oh, you know what? So Kathleen Kennedy might be stepping down, but I feel like there was a window where people would have exploded in happiness. Now, now it's

just like, okay, some people, some people might not know who Kathleen can. Oh yeah. Let's back it up a bit. Yeah. Oh, you want me to do it? I haven't even had a second coffee. I'll be real with you. We've been doing this podcast for years. We're talking about Kathleen Kennedy for years. I don't really know. She's a movie producer. Okay. So basically when George Lucas stepped away from Star Wars and sold it to Disney, he picked her personally to produce the Star Wars films. He anointed her with a lightsaber. Yes, he did. Now that's not necessarily-

That's both shoulders. Right through the arms. Yeah. Oh no. That's a toy one. Oh, it's a toy one. That's fun. Lightsabers aren't real, James. Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah, because yeah because Kathleen Kennedy sucked all the way that's right. We're real and she took away hoverboards So basically she she was in charge of all things Star Wars

It didn't mean that she did all the creative nitty-gritty as some people might have thought Yeah, but that's not to say that she she did decide what kind of went ahead and and what didn't right? Not to say that she did decide what kind of went ahead and what didn't. Right. Prior to her work on Star Wars, oh by the way she made billions of dollars with Star Wars. Yeah, Star Wars under her is absolutely a mixed bag. Star Wars before her was a mixed bag. Star Wars after will continue to be a mixed bag.

I would have said before her tenure, Star Wars was about 50-50, honestly. Yeah, I don't know where it is now. I'm not really keeping track of where it's at. There's just a lot of it. I know that for sure. But she produced a lot of... Yes, so she came up under Spielberg. So she produced or executive produced ET.

Whomst among us has framed Roger Rabbit, Color Purple, the Back to the Future trilogy, Hook, the Jurassic Park movies, Congo, the sixth season. Laser apes. Yeah, that sixth sense. Laser apes? Yeah, that's right, laser apes. She was like, why don't we give these apes lasers or attack them with lasers? Yeah. And then I'm taking away all the lightsabers.

That's right. And the fun. And the sixth sense, among others. Incredible producer. Yeah, I think there's definitely an argument to be made that, yeah, things could have definitely been run better under Star Wars. I think especially in the gaming division I think that was like grossly neglected. I don't know whether that falls to her specifically

Maybe that's a Bob Iger thing because he sorry I don't know the specifics of that But you've always maintained they should have done more Indiana Jones games absolutely and stuff to keep the the idea alive and put them on streaming like Prior to like two weeks before the new film really made a show we released the VHS tapes at McDonald's where you could buy a meal and then you get an Indiana Jones dollars you get an Indiana Jones yeah so yeah well I got him so you want a meal in our last crusade please yeah on VHS that's very good I also think that it was absolutely time for her to go.

Like, I think she's 71. Apparently she wants to move on and produce things, like, with her own production company. Okay. It would seem that that would be smaller projects, I'd imagine. You know, she's been doing this since 2012. Yeah, that's a good time to leave. It seems as if, though, she might have stayed an extra year because they couldn't figure out who to replace her with.

Oh yeah, that's, I mean, who's in the running now? Feige will be in the running? Here's the thing Mason, THR put out an article and I'm happy to get into this with you if you don't mind. Just really get into it. Okay, let's get into the nitty gritty of a thing we don't really understand. I agree.

Why break tradition now? No, now's not a good time to do that. We've been doing this for a decade, let's keep going. That's thing we don't really understand. I agree. Why break tradition now? No, now's not a good time to do that. We've been doing this for a decade. Let's keep going. That's stuff we don't really know about. Let's solve this for everyone. I agree.

THR says that Disney Star Wars, Star Wars, the article is called by THR, Disney Star Wars succession problem, who will replace Kathleen Kennedy? So yeah, so basically this is, a lot of this has come from insider information from Disney, but it is through THR So it's it's it's a it's a fairly reputable outlet One of the choices is John Favreau And they for each one they list like a bunch of reasons why but in some way not and why not really? Yeah, yeah, definitely. So John Favreau, of course, he directed Iron Man, which launched the MCU He also started with Dave Filoni The Mandalorian. Yeah, you might look back at that now and be like that Mandalorian season

three sucks. Boy is that Book of Boba Fett not great. Yeah, I don't disagree. But The Mandalorian when it started it was a revelation for Star Wars on television. Absolutely. Implementation of the volume. John Favre has done like a lot of incredible things. I don't like his Lion King like remake. And you don't like him personally. He seems very nice actually. He made the movie Made, which I like. Did he make Made? He was in it.

Yeah, he was in it. He did that other one that he made. He did Swingers, which I also like. He did Sothura. He did Cowboys and Aliens. He's done a bunch of stuff. And in the cons column it says here, Black Widow did a big flip on him that time in that box.

And it makes him look weak. Yeah, that's right. And in the investors meetings they're just going to constantly show that clip. Why is this man taking the direction of Star Wars? Look at this! And then it's just him getting choked down by Scarlett Johansson. And drinking that mustard coffee from Daredevil when he played Foggy Nelson. I think he is a good choice.

I think what do we get paid in fish? This is how they're promoting him. What do we get paid in fish? This is the this is how they're promoting him. What do we get paid in fish? We should be getting paid in fish. This is a man who knows what he wants money, not fish. We won't let anybody pay the Star Wars franchise in fish. Not with fish. But then they show the big flip and they're like, we don't even we don't know where we

sit on any of this. I think he's a solid choice. I think though, and we'll talk about someone next to, I think falls more into this category. He is more of a creative and I think maybe that's where he'd like to sit more. Because this role, it's not strictly, it's not a creative role. It's an executive role. It's crunching numbers. It's figuring out budgets. It's signing off on really, it's signing off on, hey, we're thinking about doing a big multi series arc or whatever and he just goes okay great good yeah we're thinking of doing a crossover between this and this and he has to go all right yeah all right I'll do it can I do it can I do any of the details no the computer's done though the

computer's done it all except we got Dave Filoni who people know he was cowboy hat cowboy hat he came up under George Lucas who he's been like, the word is that he's George Lucas's protege. They worked together on the Clone Wars animated series. I think he's done a lot of really incredible animal stuff. Animal stuff. But also, oh, what I was going to say about the line kick. I think he should be in jail.

Yeah, I agree. No, good animal stuff maybe. I don't know. Yeah, like petting them, but nicely. The right way. Oh, okay. Sure, sure. Yeah. Paying their way through college and so forth.

Things like that. Dog college. Animal school. I was gonna say about the line kick. I don't like that, but it is a pioneer. Like it's pioneering technology. And it made a lot of money. And it made a lot of money, so whatever.

So yeah, I like Dave Filoni's animated stuff. He also, as mentioned, he did the Mandalorian with Jon Favreau. Oh yeah. He's also done friends turned rivals That's right. He's also behind the scene. I think so. They're showing each other just showing them investors clips of themselves getting choked out He also did a soaker. I think I think he I think he probably works better as a creative and also I don't Love his Star Wars often, especially the later stuff.

I think it's pretty middle of the road. But nobody sees that. It doesn't matter what it is. Like quality-wise, it doesn't really matter what it is as long as it's getting people to subscribe or going to see the line. Which it might not even be at the moment. I don't think it like bucks any trends

or like does anything particularly inventive. I think he has told some really incredible stories, especially in the animated stuff. But there is this tie to like, you know, Ahsoka was Rebel season four or whatever they got up to on that five. And I think he's built this whole world out around those characters, which is great, good for him. But I don't care about that at this point. I want other stuff.

And that's not to say under him he couldn't do that. Another source... If I may, I think if he wants to you know raise his prospects I think he should and you know prove he's the protege of George Lucas I think he should grow a big gray beard. Oh yeah. And I think he should recreate the iconic George Lucas in the food court in Adelaide drinking a Diet Coke. That would be perfect. Right and then then people are like, oh, he's got it. He's the king. He's the king. That's exactly right. The king of Star Wars and food courts in Adelaide. And Insider Source says he's a great resource of knowledge, but he's ultimately a TV guy. He will be killed by all sides. Okay. Literally. Maybe. Yeah, he is a great resource of knowledge. He's

basically like a walking wookipedia And again, he worked under George Lucas If you want something specific to like George Lucas's vision, it's probably as close as you'll get. Yeah, right Probably I guess which I don't necessarily think he's a good thing I think it's okay to branch outside of that and try good things unless they're bad in which case don't do that It's just stay in your line I mean, you know in a lot of ways George Lucas's vision was just doing a bunch of stuff and it just happened to work out. I think there's a little bit more to it than that.

But yeah, I mean, bringing all that together. We talk about like a like perhaps a Donald Trump. Yeah, maybe we talk about that guy and like how he got to be successful is he started out with a lot of money. Yeah. And then he just tried a bunch of things that failed and failed and failed. And then eventually he's the president twice. So yeah, yeah. Like he would have had a bunch of billionaires play.

Well, exactly. But he would have had a bunch of contemporaries and Musk is the same thing where he would have a bunch of guys who started off the same way as him. Absolutely. And they all just failed. Yeah. And now they just work regular jobs or whatever. Failure. Yeah. Um, like Lucas would have had a bunch of contemporaries as well. Oh he did.

Yeah. They've just fallen by the wayside. I completely agree. I mean it's the cowboy theory. What's that theory of like the cowboy that lives the longest and doesn't get shot is just because like one of them doesn't get shot. And it was this guy. He's got lucky. Yeah. He shot him in that food court. Dave Filoni cowboy hat. I like his strategy. Another source says what people don't understand is... Sorry to bring up Donald Trump and Elon Musk in it. You mean those people are constantly forcing themselves into our lives.

Yeah. Sorry everyone. Been on my mind for some reason. What people don't understand, this is another source, is that it's not a creative job. That's about 10%. The rest is dealing with Disney licensing and fans. Apparently, he's Disney's top choice. I would say, they're not going to hear this, do not pick him.

But they also said maybe they do favor on Filoni. I think that would be a better choice. But I still don't think that's a great choice. I think you need someone like a Bob Iger who wouldn't do it because he's the head, who's like very good at the management side of things and good at picking creatives. You don't need to put yourself at the forefront of anything. You put people in place who can do the creative stuff. I guess also, do they want someone who can be forward-facing two audiences and show up at

Disney at Disney con or a comic con and just be like, Hey, everybody, we've got some great ideas for you. Or do they want to be? They want to be like a faceless guy who never goes out and goes to a ghost, for example. Yeah, they could pick a ghost. They could pick a ghost, a blue ghost, a blue Star Wars ghost, not just a regular ghost. Well, James, the blues, the blue Star Wars ghost are fictional, so it'd have to be a regular ghost. Maybe on a Ouija board?

Okay, yeah. Then you'd have to pay maybe ghost dollars, whatever that is. Is that fictional also? Am I stupid? There's probably a Ouija board in Disney World somewhere. I don't know, they allowed that in the haunted mansion or whatever. Maybe in one of those secret places where you can buy booze, there's probably also a Ouija board. Anyway, what I'm saying is you summon up a spirit. By the way, if you see me at Disneyland, I'm selling booze. I'm one of the place. It's not official, but I'll sell you some booze. Okay, right. Nice. What was I going to say? Next up, Kevin Feige. An insider said he's the only one that makes sense,

but he needs to focus on Marvel. He would be, yeah, that seems like the smart play, because he also, his world is Star Wars. Like he grew up, that was a thing that he grew up on. He's also gonna produce a Star Wars movie at one point. I think he will leave Marvel in the next five years. I don't know whether this would be the thing to get him to jump over. And some people are saying washed. He's washed. I don't think he is.

I'm saying some people are saying washed is washed. I don't think he is I think I'm saying some people are saying that Oh, then yeah, I think yeah, I think he was yeah, not every decision is perfect But if you look what he's done prior to this billions of dollars of dollars and also that There was this mandate from Disney at that time to push everything to streaming and whatever I think I don't I feel like they should have taken five years to do nothing and then start it up But I don't know. We'll see I think of all of them. He's probably one of the stronger choice next up We've got JJ Abrams. He's of course he he produces under bad robot. He directed the force awakens Correct you there. He produces nothing under bad. That's produced nothing under bad

He made that big deal about did nothing. He's made two big deals, hasn't he? Yeah. Netflix and something else. Something else, yeah. He also, of course, directed The Rise of Skywalker. One insider says, I don't see him coming back to that talk success pool. It's definitely left a mark on him. Yeah, I wouldn't. Next up, we've got a couple you might not know. One's Emma Watts, who's the longtime president of production. She's in Harry Potter.

No, that's Emma Watson Mason, president of 20th Century Fox. Was the president, sorry, who among other projects, steered the X-Men and Deadpool films, which she has to do very in quality, but she has done larger franchise stuff. I don't know how much the creative was her, I would say not very much. And she also did the same for James Cameron's Avatar, the first one. That's a big deal. Big, big money. And she's got that diploma in potions. Oh, that's good too. Mason, you think...

Go on. No. Okay. And the last one we've got is Hema Minghella, who is JJ Abrams' former employee with Bad Robot. That's vague. Yeah. Well, she also...

Here, we use some other stuff. She also worked at Sony Pictures, where she worked on Claddy with a Chance of Meatballs and Hotel Transylvania, Jumanji and Goosebumps, all of which were like, that's a, they're pretty successful franchises all in all. Yeah. She also been running Netflix's animation, feature and live action Family Division since last summer.

And she would have to get herself out of that deal to do this. While The Sands of Things is not a terrible choice either. I don't know. I don't know. This is an impossible job and nobody's deal to do this. Why the Sands of Things is not a terrible choice either. I don't know. I don't know. This is an impossible job and nobody's gonna be happy. I think the happiest people would be, was maybe Kevin Feige,

but even then people won't like that either. This is, I would say maybe they'd just go with like a faceless executive. Yeah, some hard hearted guy who doesn't care. Like, and also a lot of, like you said, some of these people are gonna face So much backlash for no reason and just but also it's like a lot of money It is a lot of money. I mean I do it for a lot of money

I think yeah other people yell at me for 13 years I don't care. I guess that's true in a lot of ways if you're really rich you don't have to look at Twitter I don't care at all. Don't care at all. That's what I go on stage at Star Wars celebration. No That's right. Only if I can throw bricks into the audience Yeah, which I can stage at Star Wars Celebration? No. That's right. Only if I can throw bricks into the audience. Yeah. Which I can. Yeah.

Because I'm rich. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Let the dog in. Hey, Olly. Olly knows I have half a sandwich. It's true. Do you have a preference for any of this?

Or Kathleen Kennedy, another 13 years. Yeah, let's bring Kathleen Kennedy back in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's insist she comes back. Yeah, let's bring Kathleen Kennedy back in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's, let's, let's insist she comes back. Let's, let's find us a loophole in a contract where she has to come back. Do you think she was forced out? Because I don't. No, I don't think so. No, absolutely. Do you think the fans demanded that they finally listening? I think so. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Kathleen, you've done exemplary work here. You've brought us in billions of dollars for the company and the shareholders, but I have

a series of tweets here from the fandom menace, and they think you're doing a bad job. So you must go. Absolutely. To jail. Oh no. They're sending you to jail. That's fair enough. Not Star Wars jail.

No, regular jail. Star Wars jail isn't real. Okay. Well, at least I can talk to a Force ghost in there, right? We'll set something up. We've got some horrible CGI deep fake recreations of dead actors and we'll make them ghosts for you. Very good.

Let's get into this, Mason. Go on. Trailers ahoy. Honk? Yeah. Oh, this boat's back. Why do we pay the, do we pay the boat? Can't we just watch the trailers on our phones? Like why do we do this everywhere?

That's a great point. They are available for free on our phones. And that honk wasn't even like the proper honk. It was just a man saying honk. That's what I mean. I think he was like an intern or something. He's new that guy. I hate this boat.

I think that guy's a Christmas casual or something. We're not paying that guy are we? I hope that's a free intern. I don new that guy. I hate this boat. I think that guy's a Christmas casual. We're not paying that guy. Are we? I hope that's a free intern. I don't know, man. I don't, I don't. Who's paying the boat? I mean, I gotta look at my tags.

Yeah. I guess you pay the boat in like petrol and, and, and, uh, whatever a boat does. Whatever a boat in oil. There's tires on the side. Yeah. You pay me tires on the side. Yeah. Bumping into stuff.

Yeah. Hey buddy, we got you some fresh tires on the side, you know? Stupid boat. Stupid. Uh, anyway, this boat has bought us Andor season two, the trailer. Yeah. Hey buddy. We got you some fresh tires on the side, you know. Stupid boat. Anyway, this boat has bought us Andor's Season 2, the trailer. Uh-huh. It's pretty punk rock. It's got a fun punk rock song, Mason. It sure does. Really looking forward to this. Yeah. Not much to say other than boy, isn't that awesome Krennic? That's right. Boy, isn't that the Death Star? Boy, isn't that K2SO, voiced by Alan Tudyk? Yeah. Yeah. But isn't that some cool guys walking away from an explosion with that look? It is. So yeah, excited?

Yes. April 22nd. Is it, they're not dropping all episodes? Is it one a week? They're doing three a week. Three? Oh, that's right. Three a week. There's 12 in total. I love that. Could they maybe say we're doing one movie a week? I think if they said one movie a week, I'd be like, no, not watching one movie a week.

But it's like that streaming model of like, I watch six episodes of The Rookie in a row, but I won't watch a rookie movie, Mason. That's so true. You wouldn't, would you? You would. I wouldn't. I've never... We also got a teaser trailer for Shrek 5.

That's right. Which tells us that the original cast is coming back. You've got your Mike Myers, you've got your Cameron Diaz, you've got your Edward Murphy. Is Eddie Murphy confirmed? He is, yeah. And then we've got a new name. It's Zendaya as Shrek's girl. Girl. Little girl. Who's a grown woman. Teenage him now, ogre. He had two other kids. Where are they you're saying? He ate them.

He ate the kids. He ate the weakest and slowest kids. Or not. Yeah, maybe. He's just the most delicious. They're off at college or something. They're probably doing ogre college. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They're probably going to university of fairy fucking whatever land. They're going to Ogre Dame. I'm calling it now. They're going to ogre dame ogre versus this guy's good. I'm good. Well, that's free. Mike Myers, by the way, you can have that Yeah, good day. I'm ogre versity. Well, they've got time to put it in because it's Christmas 2026. Yeah, that's ages away animation styles a bit different. You know, is that like the designs

are twigged them a bit now in this of course, we in this this short teaser, we see some Now in this, of course, we in this this short teaser, we see some Shrek is introduced to some Shrek memes that are somewhere on the UGANET or whatever they're on. Do you think those are real names or do you think they've been made? They might be. I mean, Shrek Meme City, my you on the internet. People are loving it. Not safe for work. Yeah. This is going to make a billion dollars. Yes, easily. Straight up. Unless it's bad, in which case it'll make $2 billion. I mean, this is, people love Shrek. You know what they should do at the end? What? Austin Powers cameo. Oh my god. Didn't they do that in the Pentavarance or something? Maybe. Or they put Shrek in it. Did they? Oh, they did. Yeah, there was a guy in a Shrek costume. Yeah. Uh huh. Did you watch that? No. But it was really good. Apparently. Wigs. Different wigs and accents. Different wigs and guys, sure. Oh my good. Yeah. Apparently wigs, different wigs and accent wigs and guys.

Sure. Oh my God. Anyway, I guess we load these trailers back onto the boat. Oh, we're doing that now. We have with a longshoreman. Yeah. Well, um, for efficiency sake, we had to let some people go and, uh, what people don't know is the trailers on the boat coming, those enormous tube

TVs, each trailer is loaded into one of those enormous tube that maybe your dad has in his house or whatever. And it's got a VHS built into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all in one unit. And it cost $7,000 in the 90s. And I just want to be clear, it's not worth it. Why are we doing it this way? I don't know, man. They're just on their phones. Easy to access. Anyway, bye boat. Bye.

Not a fan. Honk. Fuck you. Mason? Yes, hello? Anyway, bye boat. Bye. Not a fan. Honk. Fuck. Mason. Yes, hello. Warner Brothers has announced it's closing three gaming studios. Sounds bad. Nah, it's good, relax.

One is players for first games who did multiverses, something they were very disappointed in, probably because they fucked it up. Warner Brothers Games San Diego, who are working on an unknown AAA game. And Monolith, who are doing a Wonder Woman game. And Monolith famously, nemesis system, right? That's right, exactly. Now, as I understand, so that's the famous system though, made for one of the Lord of the Rings games.

Yes. Where certain enemy characters become your nemesis. Mm-hmm, and they remember you and they if they kill you they yeah Yeah, they get promoted and then they you come back and they're like a shift manager. Yeah, it's a shit. Yeah, exactly Incredible system which we've seen twice and they and it's it's patented by Warner Brothers So nobody else can use it. They have it till 2036 great and it was gonna be in the Wonder Woman game Yeah, I am so gal Simone put a thread on Twitter about this because she worked on it as creative and said it was like it was it was pretty far along and it looked incredible. I wanted this game. Well, too bad. You're not getting it. No, you're getting

it. Yeah. You're suffering your jocks, James. You're not getting it, idiot. Polygon stated that found out that Warner Brothers Discovery CEO and president of global streaming and games, JB Perret confirmed the news citing a disappointing 2024 and a refocus on Warner Brothers core IPs, Harry Potter, DC game of Thrones as main motivators. Okay. So that's where we're at with that Mason. That sure is. Um, so yeah, it's, uh, video games are bad as always.

That's true. And, um, so, but soon they'll be back. Yeah, maybe. Well, it's funny you say that because apparently James Gunn has been actively working with numerous studios to get some games out. Who are numerous studios? I've never heard of them. Oh, Mason, I was, I was, I was trying to, I can't, I don't know how to explain numerous

more than one studio. Okay, that's a funny name for a studio. Oh, no, I can't get out of this. Can I? You're trapped in who's on first situation. There's nowhere to break it down without seeming like the pedantic one. That's me. These are going to be games set within his DCU and two of the studios he's spoken to.

Go on. In the very least. Two of these studios. What a funny name. God. What a funny name for a studio. Who is on first? Two of these studios.

Who's on first? Well that's the name of the first basement. Is it? Yeah. Correct. His name is who? It's simple when you think about it. Yeah, it's a really good joke.

It's a classic for a reason. It is a classic for a reason. I think we can get this going. We can get this going. Get this going. The new viral who's on first joke. One is Netherrealm, of course, Border Combat and also the Injustice games. Let's get a punch of fighting game out.

Let's go. And the other is Rocksteady, who are rumored to be working on another Batman game. But you could do something else. You could do Superman game. I mean, not Suicide Squad. No, don't do that. I don't know if they should do a Superman game. I mean not Suicide Squad. No don't do that. I don't know if they should do a Superman game.

They seem like they don't want to. So maybe give it to somebody else. Apparently this is very early days. We're a couple of years away from even an announcement of that. Video games take forever. But speaking of James Gunn and Peter Safran who are the two heads behind the DCU. Peter Safran does more of the production side of things. James Gunn is the creative.

They spoke to Variety about what's coming up. Oh yes. And who's listening. Heaps of stuff. And everyone is. All of us are listening. Apparently the plan is to release two live action films and one animated film per year. Plus two live action and two animated series per year. Seems like a lot. Did I say the same thing twice? You might have. I did. Sorry, two live action films and one animated film per year. Oh yeah, that's right. In addition to two animated series, maybe some live action movies. Okay.

And some webisodes? For TV as well. Any webisodes? Maybe. This is apparently also, not apparently, they've said this, depends on script approval. Because remember, the number one thing is get the script right and then we'll film the movie. And that's why we're getting for example that Clayface movie which is shooting this summer which might be down right that's the rumor it's gonna

shoot in the northern hemisphere it's gonna it's shooting in the northern hemisphere summer not not our summer what if this Clayface was a former child actor and he's gone insane oh my god Emma Watson Emma like Emma Watson. No? Yeah. So that's the reason why we've talked about this before Clayface went forward because it's finished and good. We just did a copy and paste on one of the comic books. Easy.

Another one, they're saying that the full script for Batman 2, the Batman 2, the Robin Pattinson one, it's not done as of yet, but it is looking good. Batman dreams of dragging his feet. He is, isn't he? He's dragging his feet over that word processor. I don't like it, Mason. That's not how you type.

They don't know about the Penguin season 2 as of yet. Apparently it largely depends on Colin Farrell. Because yeah, what a nightmare. Is he filming another season of Sugar about a man in a car with no elaborate makeup on? Oh, maybe he is. What's that about? I don't know. He's in that car though, isn't he? Yep. That's great.

It is great. Yeah, I'd say the Penguin season two, if we get one, is at least three years away. That's if we even see it. Yeah, uh-huh. Batman, there's another Batman film though in the works, Batman the Brave and the Bold. That one's set in the DCU. It's in an active development and the story's coming along nicely apparently. They were asked about Robert Pattinson playing that version of Batman and James Gunn said

this, have we ever talked about Grant Gustin from the CW series, The Flash, as in coming back? Yeah. Have we talked about Robert Pattinson? Yeah. We've talked about all those things, but serious conversations? No. So they're looking at all possible avenues. They've been spitballing? Yeah. But they haven't written anything in stone. I think that's good. I also read this week that because for a long time, The Brave and the Bold, they've

said it's going to be directed by Andy Machete, who of course directed the last Flash movie. He hasn't heard anything in a while. No, but somebody said that what they said was something along the lines of when the script is finished, they will show it to Andy Machete and then they will decide whether he's directing it or not. Oh. So they're like, what do you think of this? You like it? Well, you're not directing it. Can you snatch it out of my hand?

That's right. Are you quick enough? Yeah, I'll put it over your head. Put it over here. If you can get it, you can direct it. Hope he's not tall. He's not doing that movie. You don't think? I would be shocked and surprised. Okay. Because you're get it, you can direct it. Hope he's not tall. He's not doing that movie. He don't think? I would be shocked and surprised. Because you're doing it.

That's right. Because you snapped that script. I snapped. I've got a longer vertical leap than you'd think. That's right. It's like throwing a bouquet. That's right. I've got drive to succeed. You do. It's got to be bad though, isn't it? You got to do a bad job? Yeah. Awful.

Good. Yeah. I'm going to run away bright it. I'm going to leave. So on the first day of shooting, I'm just going to run. They'll do the little clapper and then I'll just be gone. They'll do the clapper and then people will start acting and they'll be like, what? And then the stage doors will open and I'm just running. You said directors don't really do anything and it would just happen regardless, didn't

you? Yeah, I did say that, yeah. Yeah. In terms of animated features, we know we know I've got that, uh, dynamic duo movie, uh, which is, uh, going to be Dick Grayson and Jason Todd. Now I read something about that this week also. No, I didn't read it. I read that because prior to this, it was about Dick Grayson and Jason Todd

before they became Robbins. But I think now it is when they are Robbins Yeah, like it's that period when they're both. Yeah, maybe it's a period where like after Dick Grayson stopped being Robin But then Jason Todd is Robin. Yeah, maybe it said in that period. I'm not sure. Yeah I don't think they've ever been Robbins at the same time though have they? No. Yeah Guns head on this movie that there might be a way to fit it into the DCU I would love to for this animated puppet movie to be part of the DCU. That's really appealing to me, but the story is unique.

And so it may work within, may not work within our universe. Because everybody else is a real person. That's right. That's fine. Some stuff's animated. There's also going to be a Blue Beetle animated series, which is going to continue on from the 2023 movie, presumably with the same lead. I like that. I think that would be a good like again younger skewing thing. And speaking of these three younger skewing animated shows in the

works, one is My Adventures with Green Lantern. Which is going to be set in the same universe, I think. Presumably. My Adventures with Superman. And that's about the Jessica Cruz version of Green Lantern. Yes. There's also DC Superpowers and Starfire. And DC Superpowers is going to be like a superhero high kind of yeah I think yeah, yeah and starfire is starfire for nothing. Yes. We don't have any we thus far We don't have any character designs or anything. There is title cards. Yes, but that's all we get

All right. It also said that they never met with Daniel Craig about the sergeant rock movie. Yeah, it was just nice Well, he's out. He's out anyway. Yeah. James Gunn said it was also that was just an idea. And we never really even announced Sergeant Rock. So that says to me that that might not even. Who's the director of that again, they think? Oh, it might be Luca Guadagnino. Love that. Love that, Mason. Because in a way, tennis is like war, isn't it?

It is. No, he did queer, didn't he? Yes, he did. With also Daniel Craig. So I guess that's why that was considered. In a way, kissing is like war, isn't it? It is, no. He did queer didn't he? Yes he did. With also Daniel Craig so I guess that's why that was considered. In a way kissing is like war isn't it? No. Interesting. Depends. In a way kissing? In a way war is like tennis? Did I do that one? I did that one. Podcasting. I did that. Podcasting. Is like war? Different podcasts. Different podcasts are like different. Competing for podcasting chart. Yes absolutely that's right. Yeah. Apparently the Teen Titans screenplay is written being written by Anna, Anna Naguera, who also wrote Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow. It's out there, but it's definitely not finished. So that one needs work. But they loved her script for Supergirl. So that's good. Matthew

Orton, who worked on Moon Knight, is working on a script for DC Studios, which James Gunn said is something kind of like a Deathstroke Bane story. Oh, that's right, because there's been a long time rumour that there's going to be a Deathstroke Bane movie. Yeah. Something like means, sounds to me like it's not going to... Secret, or maybe it's a movie that features both of them. Yeah.

I mean, Secret Six, or... Sinister Six. Yeah. Famous Five. Famous Five. That's right. The Wishing Chair. Fantastic Four. Yep. Fantastic Mr. Fox. Magic Pudding. The Magic Pudding. Yep. I Am Number Four. Blinky Bill. The Koala Boy. Yep. He's a boy who's a koala. The Beatles' number one album where it's just all their number ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Best of Fleetwood Mac. The best Fleetwood Mac album.

Yeah. There's a lot of possibilities here. There's so many possibilities for this thing that I've completely forgotten what we're talking about. Dead Stalker Bait and Stalker. There it is. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. I'd like some villain centric stuff that is where they're actually villainous. I mean, The Penguin was that. Well, exactly. I think maybe that is that. They would be looking at that Sony stuff like Craven and more beers and being like Yeah, yeah, all the all the James Gunn and Safran over in public watching them on their phones and just shaking their head the whole time No, no, no, I wouldn't have done it like that on me. I'm James Gunn. I

Directed the sewer squat suicide squad good squat. No, no, it didn't do well It was good people did But it was good. But it was good. People did like it. Pretty good. Guardians of the Galaxy 3, I should have led with that one. Yeah, and the other ones. And the other ones.

I forgot about the other ones. Slither, you haven't seen it, but it is good. Brightburn wasn't me, but I was involved somehow. It's not bad either. People seem to like it. That's right. Yeah. Apparently they remain in development on the Wonder Woman.

Don't look up my old tweets. They got me fired. Yeah. Apparently they remain in development on the Wonder Woman prequel. Don't look up my old tweets. They got me fired. That's why I'm doing more about the stuff. They remain in development on the Wonder Woman prequel series Paradise Lost. And they're moving forward on developing the superhero comedy series Booster Gold after waiting on a particular showrunner creator who would express interest in the show, but ultimately moved on. Also the actor who was pitched for that has lost interest apparently.

Might be, we don't know. Again, that's the rumor mill for you but I read that today. They're like, oh we had somebody in mind, they're not interested. So you're doing it again, Mason. Another thing that you'll have to do. I don't know how you're going to squeeze all this. Oh, you're running away. Yeah, I'm running away from directing the movie directly into the star trailer.

You'll take nine months to get super shredded. That's exactly right. So then I can run away. And click and I'm running. Damn, he's fast. He's running faster than when he was a director. Probably because he's shredded. Why are we hiring for this? I don't know. Apparently the horror film Swamp Thing has been stuck in limbo while director James Mangold focused on the Oscar nominated biopic A Complete Unknown, the Bob Dylan one. Makes sense.

The peacemaker spin-off series Walla with Viola Davis has what Gunn has called a bumpy road struggling to land the right script. So we'll see where that lands. The Authority has also struggled. He said it's a very big movie. struggling to land the right script. So we'll see where that lands. The Authority has also struggled. It's a very big movie. So if you're going to do the Authority properly, if you're going to do Authority properly,

and there's some elements, some story elements perhaps that are in Superman and some in other films that were fast-tracked, step a little bit on the Authority, which makes sense. Garn added also the script also had a harder time coming along. So the film hasn't been much of a priority because it's been subsumed by everything Brave in the Bolt and Paradise lost. So the authority

is like the Justice League but radical and they- And edgy, yeah. And bigger. And kill and whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot- So it's the Avengers but slightly more. Yeah. It's kind of Kingdom Come Mish I guess as well. Are they the authority? No, they're not the authority.

I don't know what you're talking about. And then the Kingdom Come comic and there's like- Oh, there's a bunch of edgies. Yeah, but they're not the author kind of like the the McGaugh is the guy. Yeah, I mean the like a Rob Liefeld Yeah, the Kingdom Come characters are sort of a reflection of that sort of Character from the 90s and kind of like we did a comic book. Yeah bad like, you know Is creating those characters in comic book form kind of too far to people want yes wholesome golden age characters

Oh, you know, yes We want but the authority of from that era of like big splashy widescreen comics. Absolutely huge huge epic battles and so forth Oh, uh, yeah big sandwich. Co. We did a commentary for the movie Craven over the top. It's there right now. Check it out Bad movie, but we did watch it didn't win. That's right James gun on that picture. he took with Zack Snyder, he said, look, we've known each other since he directed Dawn of the Dead, which James Gunn wrote. They sometimes talk about different things,

but they took that picture because they knew it would melt the internet. Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. And he said also that- And we're still talking about it. We can't stop talking about it.

We will stop talking about it immediately. Even though he said, it's probably nothing, we're still talking about it. We still can't stop talking about it. We will stop talking about it immediately. Even though he said it's probably nothing. We just took a picture together. He also said they've wrapped out, roughly mapped out a six year plan to tell a wider story, which will culminate in a kind of Avenger style movie or movies, though he insists that each individual project works as its own thing. He said it isn't like the chapters of an overall story, their characters that are part of an overall story. You notice they didn't, he didn't say an overall story, they're characters that are part of an overall story.

You notice they didn't, he didn't say, you know, they're really leaning towards, yeah, it's like we're culminating in Avengers end game. They're not like, yeah, it's, it's going to be like the current phase of Marvel. Yeah. You know, when nobody knows what's happening and nobody knows the status of characters. And the movies will be good. That's exactly right. And TV shows.

Oh, speaking of, we saw our first image of lanterns, the Carl Chandler. Did we? Yeah, they just put this there in civilian clothes. You can look it up right now. Go to ComicBooker.com. I can imagine it. Yeah. Is Carl Chandler wearing like a leather jacket

with like a fleecy collar? More of a kind of a, yeah, sure. That's great. It's something like that, but it's not that specifically. That's wow. So yeah, that's the state of things. Let's do some MCU stuff. Just quickly, we're going to maybe talk about Daredevil a bit next week. The

first couple of episodes, we'll probably do a wrap up. But next week will also be Mickey 17. Oh, exciting. Which is slated to BOM probably. I think you've been slated to BOM, Junho, director, all this and also Parasite parasite which won an Academy Award good movies all around Warner Brothers a bit worried because of David's as that because they've been cutting all these costs But it doesn't seem to be working because they put like a hundred million dollars into this and and so many Robert Pattinson's exactly Too many it won't um, I don't think it'll have a big opening week, but it might hold for a bit Okay, if it's received well, all right, which would be nice if it was also There's an he'll probably do is it'll bomb and then he would just go back to Korea and make a really really good movie again Yeah, and then they'll be like, I should get him up. We should get him for an American movie. Yeah

Would you want a hundred million dollar? Do you want a hundred million dollar? Hey, I bugged you know Yeah, I do. Oh, yeah Yeah, this enough money. Oh yeah. Is this enough money? Oh, it's just a brick of money. There's also going to be an MCU special event by EW, which is a Punisher special

directed by Reginald Marcus Green, who worked on King Richard and the Bob Marley biopic. It's also written by him and John Barentol, of course, plays the Punisher. We're going back to this, are we? What do you mean? going back to this, are we? What do you mean? Going back to this.

What do you mean? What are you talking about? Events. Yeah, I would like that. Yeah, me too. Werewolf by Night? Good. Other ones, maybe.

Maybe there's a couple of others. But at least just that one. Do you think this is a feature length Punisher dirty laundry? Yeah, maybe. I think so. Marvel's Brad Winterbaum, who's head of streaming, television and animation at Marvel Studios, says, it's like a shotgun blast of a story, but it also has the pathos and emotion that you want to have a Frank Castle story.

It's so exciting. That sounds exciting. Let's look at it. The Punisher movie starting this week. That's right. Dolph Lundgren. It's so exciting. That's right.

Wow. Now Mason, we've got one last bit of news, but we're not hardly equipped to talk about such a thing. We're not equipped to talk about any news. No, but this specifically. Okay. Because it's fantasy film related. It's about, it's an update on Lord of the Rings, the hunt for Gollum. Okay.

The movie that they're making. It's another Lord of the Rings franchise spin-off exclusive to whoever makes those movies. But here to talk about that and a couple of other things, we've got two boys from Sans Pants Radio. We've got Jackson Bailey. Jackson Bailey. I don't even point it out. I know you pointed out. Has he forgotten my name? I actually did write both of your names down in case I froze up. Yeah smart. The audience would be like why's he stopped talking? What's wrong? I was worried I was going to say Joel Dusha who's not here. That was smart. Yeah. Thank you. Do you want to introduce me again? Yeah. Yeah. So we've got Jackson Bailey and Joel Zabbott. You've probably heard them from Plumbing the Death Star. You might've heard Jackson on this show before.

Joel, this is your first time being on here despite us knowing each other for 10 plus years. And we've both, me and Mason have guessed on a bunch of different stuff. Oh yeah, you've been on a bunch of Plumbing. And you and James, you and I, we know each other. Oh yeah, we know each other also. We also are friends for most of the time. Hey, so this Gollum movie. Let's go on. You remember they made that Gollum game recently?

Yeah, we played it. What is, is there some strange internal push for more Gollum content? Yeah, we had this exact discussion. What's going on? I think they think that that's like the key thing. That's their baby Grogu. Yeah, because people remember it, but he's horrible. He's horrible.

And also like Viggo Mortensen and Ian McKellen and so forth, they age and they retire or whatever. Though they aren't coming back. But Gollum is always just an ageless rotten little gollum. Gollum is forever. Yeah, yeah. Isn't it just that Andy Serkis did a funny voice and we loved it. He popped his name a bit and we're like, let's have more of this.

Absolutely. The fish song, the potatoes. What was good about Golem is it was a very easy to do impression. And I feel like during Lord of the Rings everyone had a Golem. Everyone was doing an Austin Powers that was doing a Golem. Yes. Oh my god. My precious baby. You know guys ways. Very good. So and

you guys probably know this, but Andy circus is directing this movie who plays Gollum. There's the secret. It's some, uh, some second unit directing on the Hobbit movie directed venom to okay. Yeah classic film Yes, I say what's he's directing credit is it great He did the jungle book movie, but not the one that you know the other one which I think is better Which one do you think I know? No the one the John Favreau one, Okay, the realistic one. He did another even more realistic one Wait, there's more realistic one Is that the one with Eric from True Blood?

Maybe? Christian Bale's in it? What? Yeah Like recently or when you were a young boy? No, how is there a more real- so they did the cartoon jungle book, a realistic jungle book and then a more realistic jungle book Yeah, I'll show you Is it like the Lion King? They just filled it at Taronga Zoo. Instead of a CGI snake, just a snake?

It's called Mowgli. What? That's right. Yeah, so yeah, he made it. Like here it is. Like they used really extra special facial capture stuff. I think it's better. Whoa.

Than the other one, but that's just my... No one's seen... Also there's a moment where, because it's closer to the book, there's a moment where because it's closer to the book. Yeah, there's a moment where there's just like a dead dog's head on a stick. Whoa, it's already better. You're right. I should have led with that in the trailer. Yeah, you're right.

A real child friend with that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The trailer is just 30 seconds of a close up of a dead dog's head on a stick. And then it cuts to black and there's some text that goes, what do you reckon's happening here? You should see the movie. Yes. We're not even going to tell you the title. You've got to seek this out. One ticket for the Dead Dog on a stick movie, please. The question with Dead Dog. You're probably wondering how I got here.

Wow. That's crazy. Now I want to get more into this when we talk about like best and worst movie, fantasy franchises. So this is going to get more into this when we talk about like best and worst fantasy franchises. So this is going to be moved from 2026 to 2027 now. Okay. Dude. Yeah, yeah. We're not getting there.

Yeah, it's not happening. Do you care about this? Is this good? No. I'm intrigued. Is the idea that is it like showing, you know, when the guys at the bad mountain? Good thing we got you in, experts. Mordor? Mordor!

The Orcs of Boracay! Guys at the bad mountains. I don't care for Lord of the Rings, but it's going to come across that I do. I really like, I've never read the books, but I really like the movies. I tried reading the books. I can't get through. We've all, we're all in the same boat. We've all tried reading the books. I always throw a bambam. Where did you get up to? I finished The Hobbit. I can't get through. We're all in the same boat. We've all tried reading the books.

I always remember. Where did you get up to? I finished The Hobbit. Yeah, right. I got up to the song about the patch of grass. And I'm like... I mean, that's so funny. That's almost like a parody of the book, that there would be a song about the patch of grass.

I always remember when I still lived with my parents, we had like an internet outage. And my brother, who I swear to God God I'd never seen read a book before in his life, picked up and read every single Lord of the Rings book in like four days. Like the Simarillion stuff as well, or you're talking about the main? No, just the main three. But it was crazy to see.

It was like seeing a dog read. That's also crazy, like back in the day, we'd have a four day internet outage and we would just live with that. Yeah! It was wild. He was, I mean he was, and it would have, it probably took him actually more like three days because the first day he just sort of went insane. Because he didn't have the internet.

And then he was like I guess I'm reading Lord of the Rings. God damn. Bananas. I don't understand that. I was on like a cruise ship once and they had like no internet. I read so many books. Yeah. God damn. That'll get you. That'll do it. Absolutely.

I get it. I'm with your brother, man. Yeah. Makes sense to me. Is the hunt for... Is it a live action? Like is that what we're getting? Or are we getting like a...

Like is it Adam? What it was? Yeah. Is it like the last one that came out of that one saw? Row Him one? No, it's live action. It's about... It's set between The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. So it's closer to Lord of the Rings. And it's Aragorn looking for Gollum. That's live action. It's about it's set between The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings.

So it's close to the Lord of the Rings. It's Aragorn looking for Gollum. That's the speculation. I think people will like this movie because people love Gollum. They do. I've got sucked into this. I love how we went from like

Lord of the Rings. There's one book to each movie. Yeah. And then The Hobbit they went that book is now three movies. Now they're like, I don't know. There's like a paragraph on how Aragorn looked for Gollum is now in itself a full movie. A full movie. It's probably going to end with a cliffhanger with 18 months. It's like, now we've got to go into Mount Doom or whatever.

I love watching those. We're going to do a diehard in Mount Doom. The prequels. And you could just see how tired Peter Jackson got by the end. The behind the scenes stuff's incredible. Oh I know, like the battle of the five armies, where it's just like, and then this guy's a bear, throw him in, I don't care. There's big worms, do you remember the big worms? Yeah, the stew worms. Just chuck them in, yeah, there's some worms. I don't care. They've fully replaced Billy Connolly with the CGI version. Yes, that's right. And that's difficult because Billy Connolly is always dashing back at you.

He's always moving. Doing his crazy arms and riffs. Hard to capture. He's a big union one. You have to erase all his riffs. God. Impossible. But I think people will be excited to see Andy Serkis' Gollum return.

Oh yeah. Because he's like, you know, he's one of the guys people remember. Absolutely. Like, you know, I'm sure of the guys people remember. Absolutely. You know, I'm sure you've seen it, maybe you've even spoken about it, but the Shrek 5 teaser came out recently. Yeah, we just talked about it. I imagine you did.

And people, I mean, like, nobody really cares about Shrek 5. Nobody's sitting there wondering, what's next for Shrek? What's next for Shrek? What's next for Shrek? Is Shrek dead? I need to know. But now that you see Shrek's one of the guys, we all remember Shrek? Is Shrek dead? I need to know. But now that you see Shrek's one of the guys, we all remember Shrek. How long has it been since the Lord of the Rings?

2003 was the last Lord of the Rings movie. I mean then there's Rings of Power and whatever. So like last week. The Rohim movie was December. Yes, yeah. Well I guess like with Godlum specifically. Not just like the guest appearance in one of the- In the Hobbit.

Yeah. Cause I'm like, yeah, that's this nostalgia brain, right? Yeah, absolutely. We're all getting kicked in the head with that. Yeah. That's the scene that people love as well. They're like, oh my God, in the Hobbit. They're like, and then Gollum turned up.

But it's like, yeah, but it doesn't make a good trilogy. Just cause Gollum's in your movie, it doesn't make it good. Yeah, we're revisionists, right? We're looking back at this being like, actually they were good maybe? It's happening so much now. Actually the prequels, they were really good. Everything was actually really good when I was a small child.

I had no mortgage or care. It's all good now. Exactly. That's so true. They should just take you to the movies and say, hey, you don't have a mortgage for the period of this movie. Hey, you remember when things were simple and you don't have a mortgage for the period of this movie. Yeah. Hey, remember when things were simple and you didn't have to worry about rent or food? You know when your parents would buy you food

and make you a sandwich? And you were like, I don't want peanut butter sandwich. I want jam. And your mom was like, okay, I'll make a jam sandwich. And she brings you out a jam sandwich. Like, I want a Vegemite. And she's like, that's fine, dear. And then like that, and like that,

remember that time you had no care. You didn't waste. you didn't have to look about wasting two sandwiches. You just, who cares? Anyway, Gollum's back. Gollum is back, but your child again, I guess. They should open this movie and they should just say, at the end of this movie,

someone else will buy you McDonald's. Oh! I think that's what we all miss. Someone else buying us McDonald's. And you don't even know you're going to McDonald's. Yeah, exactly. So you just think you're watching the hunt for Gollum. And not just that. Someone else will drive you back to work with like a packed McDonald's. Yeah.

Show off to your workmates that you have McDonald's and they do not. But if you misbehave in the movie, your dad will go through the drive-thru as if you're gonna get McDonald's. Oh no. And he will order a coffee and then he will leave. I like that it's because it seems like it's set up by the movie. It's like kind of like, what was that movie where they had somebody in the cinema

to talk to the screen? Oh, Megalopolis. Megalopolis, it's like Megalopolis where they got to hire a guy to drive you to McDonald's after an usher or whatever. You know Alexi Toleopolis? Yeah, he was the guy. Do you reckon he'd drive you around?

I reckon he would. I think he would love to. I think he would love to. I think Alexi, he would jump at the opportunity to buy me McDonald's. Yeah, next time we're in Sydney, Alexi, I know you're listening. Yeah. Take us to Maccas. Take me to McDonald's.

I would love that. Even if he takes me through the drive-through and he just gets a small black coffee, that's still good. I'd still take that. That's still a story. Yeah, exactly. Before we get into the rest of the stuff we've got to talk about, do you want to talk about your board game? Josh, you don't have to.

I've dragged you in here, but it's up to you. Jackson dramatically opened his shirt as if he had the board game under his shirt. I wish I did. I don't know why I did that. I'm just showing off my abs. This is a real board game. This is a real board game. Yes, I've seen it. It's like, it's like a, it's not, it's not a, it's real board game. This is a real board game. We've seen it.

It's like, it's like a, it's not, it's not, it's not a PDF. It's a hard box. It's physical. It's heavy. Yeah. We've got a back manufacturer, we've got a printer, they have a prototype. Not cheap.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. They just come to complain. It's not cheap making a board game. Yeah. We're going to try to guilt people into backing out kickstart. So much debt. Oh God. Remember when you were a child, you didn into backing out kickstart. Oh, so much debt. Oh, God, remember when you were a child, you didn't make a board game?

Oh, my God. Anyway, we made a board game based on one of our shows, D&D is for Nerds, where we play Dungeons and Dragons like cool kids. Yeah. And one of our campaigns called Jaren's Outpost, we turned that into a board game. And it's been 10-od odd years maybe in the making. Or eight I think. Eight to 10 years we've been working.

On this very day? Yeah. That's really cool. Whoa, I think it is. Yeah, and we've been working on it that long. And it's taken us a really long time to get to where we are, where we will be launching the Kickstarter very soon. March 18th.

March 18th. Put that date in your calendars, people. But no, we're extremely proud of it. It's a, we were like, let's make a board game based on one of our campaigns, because it's a campaign everybody loves, Jaren's Outpost is one of our most popular. And then we basically were like,

but we want to, because we like board games. We're board game people. We were like, let's make a board game. But there was somebody else, I think another D&D podcast, like maybe two years into development had made, or somebody was Dragon Friends had reskinned the game Werewolf with their characters, Werewolf being like a party game,

we were like, we should have done that. Because instead of making like merchandise for our people who love D&D's funerals, we accidentally made like a full on legitimate board game that's very fun to play. And then we put a lot of like, you know, effort and time into it. You should have come up with a vodka brand.

That would have been smart. That label it. But instead, no, we made this board game that we had been working on for a really long time. We tried to make a game that, so the Jaren's Outpost campaign is this kind of like mad scramble where everybody's betraying everybody else. And we tried to basically replicate that in the board game.

So the board is like a city, your playing is the citizens of the city, you need to complete quests and you need to attack notable citizens. But at the same time, screw over your friends. It's like a game that rides the line, and I think it does ride the line between being very annoying and very fun.

I'm listening. Yeah. Because initially we were like, all right, cool. We don't want to harm anyone else. We're like, I just want to play this, and we're doing fun. And we're competing. Yeah. But then we're like, but what if we could be a dick to each other?

Yeah. Absolutely. Exactly. OK, I can't win, but I can ensure that you can't win. Yeah. So let's have this mutually assured. Destruction. You need a game where you play a card,

and then everybody points at one guy Yeah, it's that game You need a game where you've worked for like two rounds to achieve something and then in one move somebody steals it from you And you have to sit there furious Well, they get four victory points or something. That's great. That's great Okay, you just came in and one, yep, cool. Time for me to think of something else. What else can I do now?

So you don't have to have played D&D? No, not at all. It's all there, right? Probably best if you hadn't played D&D. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't come into it having played. Well, that rules out everybody who listens to the show. Yeah. I know what we tried to make, and this was, you know, part of the development process.

We tried to make it extremely accessible as well. a big fear. We would always have this thing We say we were like every board game is Strategies, which was this in joke of like the most complicated, you know what somebody explains a board game to you Yeah, exactly. It's the auntie Donna sketch Well, it was like this fictional board game called strategies where you would just like to tell you know The most elaborate nonsense rules you could and we were like every board game is a bit like that until you play it I think okay so the fear was that we'd made stratagems for a really long period of time but then you know with work and development stuff it's

it's successful successful yeah people who don't even know us have enjoyed it I have no idea who we are no stake in got no stake in me being the front desk. Yeah, exactly. And people like the board game, which feels very desperate to say. No, I think it's okay to be like people like it and we're proud of it. I think that's good. And people like you guys. People like me. I'm a likeable guy.

I think if you came in and went, I don't know. I don't know. What are your second thoughts about this, really? I'm having cold feet. You know, it's also like, you know, I want to say like, yeah, we have the, we're doing the Kickstarter, but we have the game. It's there. We're not going to run away with the money.

Saying that makes it feel like I'm going to run away with the money. I swear I'm not. It's just, it's there. It's all done. Do you want to run us through like the Kickstarter thing? Just like to give an idea of what's, like how that works? The Kickstarter, if you don't know about the Kickstarter, is like it's a wonderful little website where you've got crowdfunding,

where then you go and you can pledge either for, say, for our one in particular, which I think it's like you could get access to the pledge manager. You get a the standard edition or the deluxe edition. Oh, OK. Depending what you want to do. So the deluxe edition currently has an extra playable character that is not in the standard edition. Oh, yeah. Some extra NPCs, items, and some locations that you can swap in.

A regular version. And then if the campaign goes well, we have a bunch of different stretch goals will hopefully include more different characters, items, NPCs, those kind of things. And yeah, so that's... The idea is you can build it out. Yeah. Hopefully. With the new characters, we try to make them interesting. The ones that hopefully if the

case started as well, you know, it'll add to the game. We tried to make them real characters that would... And obviously this means nothing if you've not played the game, but characters that tried to change the way you play the game. I think that's interesting. You know what I mean? And same with the locations and the NPCs and the items and stuff like that. And you'll ship the way you play the game. I think that's interesting. You know what I mean? And same with the locations and the NPCs and the items and stuff like that. And you'll ship this to anywhere in the world. Maybe. Yeah, I'm gonna say we could.

You'll ship this to America. Yes. People will be asking. Yes. Yeah, had a discussion. Even if they're a Democrat. Whoa! Whoa!

Even if they're a Redumlickin. Oh my God! I said stop. That's not it. I would stop. In this house we believe in centuries of America. Even if they're a redumlicant. Oh my god! Mason, stop! That's right. I won't stop. In this house we believe in centuries. I'm so glad I could be here for one of Mason's famous political rants. There it is.

That's right. So we'll link it below. Or a libertarian. Oh right, okay. He's not done! He's not done! He's not done! Colleagues who edit this, he's going to a link below if you do wanna check it out.

I would say just go and have a look at the page, have a look at the board. So I know you've also, on your YouTube channel, you've also got play throughs. Yes. And we'll talk about it. So there's on like on the Sands Man's radio YouTube where there's some stuff,

all of you's talked about it. We'd had a, I guess a let's play of a board game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know that's sort of separate thing or that no one really does that because it can be boring. Well, we did it. But we did it anyway. Gotcha.

So there's also the Jaren's Outpost website, just Jaren's Outpost. You can kind of have a look there. And there's also a tabletop simulator version of the game that you can play on your little machines. You can find out if you like it in the digital realm so that you want to back it for the physical realm. For meat world or whatever they call it.

Yeah, meat world. Meat realm, yeah. That's great stuff. All linked below if people want to check it out. We'll remind you at the end of this as well after we stop talking. Thank you. Thank you. I feel like we talked...

You're welcome, gentlemen. We talked enough about Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit and whatever, right? Yeah, definitely. I think so. Let's do some best and worst. It sucks. Yeah. Fantasy movies. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it I'm in a gut full Lord of the Rings where are you guys at with the Dungeons and Dragons movie movies bearing in mind there's one good one I

really like the most recent one yeah I thought that was really fun that was a lot of fun it was like nice to watch a movie where I was like I'm having a fun time like this is fun yeah like I'm enjoying myself. After the slop of so many things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's so produced. There's a lot of slop out there. Yeah. A lot of slop.

I think coming off the back of like Madame Webb was the previous thing. You're like, maybe, I don't know. Yeah. It's been a year since Madame Webb came out. God. Wow. Feels like a 2012 movie.

It really does. It really does. So after being forced for a lot of slop that movies have made, it was nice being like, that's fun. Yeah, it's nice. I think the Dungeons and Dragons movie, the most recent one, and as Dungeons and Dragons players, you might relate to this, is it's so much of it feels like a campaign by a bunch of people who don't really know what they're doing. Yeah. It feels like the Dungeon Master is helping them out for a lot of it. Absolutely. They're just like Reggie Jean-Page's

character is just a guy. Clearly, the Dungeon Master's like, these guys can't do this. I better bring in a guy. Yeah. With a lot of stuff. And then they'll just go with the end. There's a moment where there's like a clearly

like a very elaborate trap that they have to go into a dragon's hoard or whatever. And they just trigger it. And the bridge collapses. And then suddenly it's like, oh that stick you have is magic. You've actually got a magic stick. So.

Absolutely. I think that made us. That feels like that's what the DM. You did the trap and now the bridge is down. We'll have you get across. Oh yeah right. You know that's right. You will need to do that.

Yeah. Magic stick, what am I? No yeah, that was heaps of fun. I haven't seen the other D&D movies. I've only seen the original one. The one with Jimmy Olsen. Yeah the one with Jimmy Olsen. It's not it's not it's just not. And Jeremy Lyons. Actually he's something else. Yeah what was the one actually Adam Carnivale who's the Dundra Masse for D&D is for Nerds he made us watch a couple ones. He made us watch those ones yes I believe us watch those ones. Yes. I believe.

I don't remember them. Yeah. All I remember was we watched him in the same house where you were house sitting, they had a disgusting dog. I hated that dog. This dog was on the verge of death. I hate this dog.

No, we all hated this dog. It was like a walking corpse. I was like, oh. Honestly, it smelt like it was rotting from the inside. Yeah, it was really bad. Because it kind of was. And then I find out it died like five years later. It's crazy.

Oh my God. I was shocked. I was shocked. It clung to life. Like a gremlin. My memory now, like flashing back to watching that is I'm not watching. The TV is on, but I'm looking in the kitchen at that dog. That's my memory of the Dungeons and Dragons.

It's probably just a pile of worms. He's got a dog skin. Yeah, that's what it felt like. Oh my God, that dog sucked. Those D&D movies, I think they have the same recurring villain throughout and it's the same actor. Oh, the snake ears guy. The guy with the blue lips.

Snake ears, yeah. The snake ears, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh God, that's great stuff. I watched last night because I was like, oh, you know, I imagine you were like, oh, let's come on, let's talk about fantasy movies.

And I was like, I think the perfect double feature is Pan's Labyrinth and then Labyrinth. In that order? That's the perfect, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think either way works. Yeah, I don't want audiences to be like, whose Labyrinth is this? Yeah.

I mean, if this was Pan's. Yeah, exactly. The other Labyrinth we don't know was Bowie's Labyrinth, but I only managed to watch the Jim Hansen Labyrinth. this? Yeah, this was pants. Yeah, exactly the other labyrinth. We don't know what's Bowie's labyrinth But I only managed to watch the Jim Hansen labyrinth. Oh, okay. Yeah, I I watched that late So I didn't watch it as a kid. Yeah, when I saw it. I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah Oh, yeah, same. I watched it in like my 20s. Yeah, yeah, so I'm with like Dark Crystal, which apparently that new show is really good Yeah, I heard that but yeah at labyrinth hold up. It's kind of disgusting and I kind of love that. Like a dying dog?

Yeah, in many ways it is like a dying dog. It's just really gross. We used to make our puppets oily, you know what I mean? I don't know what happened. We used to be a country. We used to make steel, you know? We used to have the ferals.

Yeah, exactly. Oh, give me back the ferals. I don't know why we stopped having gross puppets. I don't know what happened. Yeah. I think it's a- We all went CGI. I guess it was cheaper to not pay anyone and like-

Yeah, yeah, man. But you look at Hoggle, you know, the horrible dwarf. He's so wet. Yeah. They are making a new one. They're making a new lab one. I'm pretty sure, yeah. That's very exciting.

It'll be smooth and dry though. Oh, God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It'll be dry labyrinth. You're not gonna get like that hand well. Yeah. It's always terrifying. I think the nastiest part of that for me

is when they go to the swamp of stench and it's just full of farting assholes. Like very unsubtle. Yeah, yeah. It's like a fart bog that they go to. It's so gross. So gross. Yeah.

It's really nasty. But I loved that about Labyrinth. I thought it was fun how nasty and disgusting it was. I guess we kind of lost that nastiness. Yeah. Movies used to be nasty. I agree. We used to build things.

Yeah. We used to like, you know, watch a horse die in a swamp. Yeah. Don't do that anymore. Yeah. Horses survive in left, right and center. There's something lovely that the ending of the never ending story is like the climax

of that movie is a little boy yelling moon child out a window. You couldn't do that today. People always talk about stuff you couldn't get away with. You couldn't get away with that. That's not a climax for a movie. Moon child! And then, I don't know if you remember this, he gets in the Luck Dragon and just terrorises his bullies. Is that real?

Yeah. Well, who can say? Is any of it? Yeah, well yeah. But it is a movie. I guess there is that very particular era of like 80s fantasy. Like Willow. Oh yeah. I watched the Willow TV series. I was the one Really Davis heading up a willow series I rewatched the movie which hadn't seen it. Yeah, God knows how long and I'm like, whatever and then I watched the series

I'm like pretty good Cuz I think I saw clips from the willow TV series. Do they go to like a full city at one point? Like it's a weirdly modern in place. Oh, maybe not. Okay. It looks expensive Yeah, willow goddamn they go to the city from bright Nice. They do a little crossover in the middle there. Wow. Did anyone see like, um, those very particular 80s movies? There's Excalibur from 1981, there's Legends, the Ridley Scott movie.

Is that the one with the Tim Curry demon? Yeah, Tom Cruise in like his first roles. Oh, that's awesome. I've always wanted to watch Excalibur. I hear people say it's like one of the best retellings of like the Arthurian sort of legends or whatever. Is it Mason? Yeah. Yeah.

Hell yeah. Zack Snyder loves it. Oh yeah, okay. Oh, okay. Well, I guess you've seen it in, if you've seen Batman V Superman. I've basically seen Excalibur. You've basically seen Excalibur.

I think, you know, it's the modern Excalibur. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Oh, I'm satisfied though. Remember when Batman has that big kryptonite spear? Yeah. Excalibur. Excalibur. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Remember when Superman's like, oh, Excalibur. Oh. Batman stabs Superman and then pulls it out of Superman. That's, he's now the true king of Gotham. That's correct. Yeah. That's right. Wow.

That's really cool. And when Flash going back in time, That's correct. Yeah. That's right. Wow. That's really cool. And when Flash going back in time, that's kind of like the lady in the lake coming out and talking to Merlin. Yeah. Yeah. And then she met the Flash. Yeah.

Cause he can go through time. Yeah. Of course he can go back to the King Arthur times. This is Zack Snyder at the press junkie. Yeah. So it's kind of like the guy, the kryptonite gases, I don't know. Stop asking me questions, how about, OK?

And then the fans will fill in the rest. Sorry about that. So when she emails. That's the gas screens of Green Knight. OK, that makes sense. OK, that checks out. That checks out. Any Conan the Barbarian slash Highlander fans?

Yes. Highlander. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I loved every single one. I loved one. I loved two when it went to the future. That's crazy.

Weird. And keep going. And then it was just kind of like, the sky was gone. And then you're like, okay, that's fine. And then like three comes in. The quickening? Is that the quickening? Two's the quickening.

Yeah. Okay. That's when it's like set in like the future. Yeah. Yeah. One's great because you've got's when it's like set in like the future. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. One's great because you've got, is it Sean Connery who is an alien maybe. Is that in the first one or is it the second one? No, that's in the second one.

We're aliens. We're aliens. We've been aliens the whole time. This is Mason's wheelhouse. Yeah, absolutely. I've seen all... And then, artists. There are five Highlander movies.

Whoa. I remember that Jackson, but fifth one atrocious. The third one? Filmed in Russia for tax reasons. Oh really? In Siberia maybe? And it's just... Is Christopher Lambert back?

No, he bows out in four, because that's Highlander Endgame. That's where the guy from the TV series meets the guy from the movies. And then they have to, spoiler alert, Duncan McLeod has to cut Conor McLeod's head off to gain all the power he needs to fight a guy Who's invincible because if you cut him down the middle he reforms, but they only did that for the trailer It's a trailer shot. He never actually does that in the movie But then Highlander 5 is just the TV characters going a little movie adventure That's a little very low-budget movie. That's that's what if you cut him the other way. Yeah

Yeah, I mean they didn't try that. We don't have a chance to do that. Someone should give it a go That's that's what if you cut in the other way? Yeah Someone should give it a go. Yeah, the third one is kind of then goes back kind of ignores the second one Yeah, and it's kind of just like some like ancient Mongolians. Yeah, the the most hardcore of Highlander fans Maintain that every Highlander movie set in a different parallel universe every Highlander movie set in a different parallel universe. Cause that's the only reason. That's the only reason I like sex. Only way it can make sense. Yeah. I think I watched Highlander three,

like a very like pivotal moment in time of like when I was like in puberty. Cause I'm like, I remember it being a sexy film. I remember being like, I'm rewinding a few scenes. That's awesome. I remember that in my brain being like, yeah, this is good for me. It's so frightening I think sometimes

that there is a pivotal time where that can happen to you. And then that's your thing forever. That's how you think that lock stuff in. It's dangerous. And now very dangerous. You can only get aroused if you like stand in a power station. Yeah, I'm into electric. Yeah.

People frightening to cut your head off. The danger needs to be. You can put time travel in there maybe. Oh, yeah. And people frighteningly cut your head off. The danger needs to be there. You can put time travel in there maybe. Oh, please. Hell yeah. I like Dragon stuff. Yeah, nice. Let me name two.

Oh yeah. Dragon Heart, first movie, good. Probably not. Sean Connery. Sean Connery's best. And a Quaid maybe? Yeah, yeah, I think there's a Quaid in it. Sequel was bad, director, DVD, and also Reign of Fire,

which I think is an incredible movie. Reign of Fire was so good. I talk about it too much. It's so good. Yeah, sequel was bad director DVD and also rain of fire Dragons in the sort of post-apocalypse. Yep, come on Christian Bale's Hey, yes, Jerry Butler's in it. They're all looking so handsome leaping off things into dragons It's just a cool idea that they should never have made. Yes, yeah, like how did that happen? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's perfect. The drag, the drag, Wiven. The design, I've been told. Forgive me.

Oh, because they don't have back legs or front legs? It's whatever the Wiven is, yeah. I think the designs are really good and like scary. They're like rats, they're horrible. Oh, you're scared, were you? Oh, what's that? Oh like yeah, yeah, they're horrible Yeah, what is it right now that we don't know about what Yeah Mason

I'm not gonna show up. I'm a little scared. What does Matthew McConaughey play? He plays a guy named Van Zam. He comes in from America I've got a strategy to take down dragons. it's to fly up really high and then drop down with a big net. And triangulate their position. And they're like, the rate of survival for this is like 19 seconds if you do this job. Is his name Van, are they like in the future, we're gonna have stupider names?

It's not that far enough in the future. It's not, but it starts in like 2002, right? And then the movie itself is set in like 2020. Damn. I guess, you know, you're just a name Zam it. Yeah. Zam is the first part of that. That's true.

Yeah. I guess they were hoping that, you know, the movie would inspire people to call their kids Van Zam. Yeah. His name is Denton Van Zam. Christian Bale's character was Quinn Abercrombie. Oh my god. Unbelievable. Nerd. The fakest names that have ever been.

That's amazing. Jerry Butler's just called Creedy. Creedy. Should have just called him Jerry Butler. I love that. I love that movie. I also, no I don't, Clash of the Titan, Wrath of the Titans was the 80s one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then there was the Sam Worthington ones. 80s the one, the stop motion. Yes 80s ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there was the Sam Worthington ones. 80s the one, the stop motion. Yes. You are. Yeah, yeah. But you also might be thinking of Beastmaster. I'm thinking of Jason and the Argonauts. Yeah, you think you're thinking of Jason and the Argonauts. I am thinking of Jason and the Argonauts. But that is stop motion. Isn't Clash of the Titan the 80s, that is stop motion.

I think so. Yeah, yeah. I'm pretty sure. I don't know, man. I used up all my knowledge in Highlander. I had a number of knowledge points. I forgot to use that. That's fair. Siberia. Duncan McLeod.

Getting cut in the middle. But I'm in the middle. I'm in the middle. I can be only one. That's so true, isn't it? I think Matthew McConaughey, this is where I'm stuck. I'm imagining Matthew McConaughey, what's the name of the guy in Jobus Palace that's leaping around?

The singer? No, what's his name? The little guy Jobb's palace that's leaping around? You know singer? No I keep thinking that Matthew McConaughey say I would love to hear him say salacious crumb salacious crumb Hush down jobb's palace. He's gonna lay down some wisdom to he's like what you gotta know with this life is Salacious crumb everybody's like Wasn't a good Matthew McConaughey Jack. Yeah, it was a really good Clinton you gotta know what this life is. Salacious Crumb. Everybody's like, thank you, Matt. Thank you, Matt. It's like, that wasn't a good Matthew McConaughey joke.

That was a really good Clinton. Salacious Crumb. Yeah, we've lost that. Who am I now? Where have I found myself? I think you found yourself into a worse Jimmy Stewart impression. Those are all accents eventually.

Salacious Crumb. Salacious Christmas. Salacious Crumb Christmas. They would say life day. Yes. Salacious crumb life day. Happy life day, Salacious crumb. Do you guys would have remembered this year? Because I do not have sexual relations with that woman.

Salacious crumb. But now who was that? Was it Clinton? Was it Bein' Clinton? Jimmy Stewart. It was Jimmy Stewart again. I didn't do it! I didn't have sexual relations with Salacious Crumb! You guys remember, because off the back of Harry Potter, which we're going to talk about,

and Lord of the Rings, there was like Aragon, the Seek, Bridge to Tera Beath, like Percy Jackson, those did pretty well at the time. There was that era of like, is this something? Are you doing like this? The failed ones. Yeah. Like, oh, here's Golden Compass.

Never mind. Yeah. Did they do like the Spider-Wit Chronicles? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is the first one. Yeah.

It's fine. It's fine. They punch out of, yeah, they did a few Narnia's. They got three. Yeah, they got three Narnia's, which is impressive, because like the Narnia stories don't have like the cohesion that like Harry Potter does. You got to sell people a lot more. You got to be like the... What are they called?

The Pens? What are you talking about? They go to it. They go into a cupboard. Yeah. And it's talking lion. But every time... And all of a sudden they go into a painting and there's a talking rat. I don't know why that's hard to find. We've sold you. It seems like Scattergory's really. But every time they go into a painting and there's a forking rat. I don't know why that's hard to find. It's like Scattergory's really.

It's just they pick a noun and a location and a thing to go into. Everybody falls into a teapot. Yeah. That's why you just got to start with the wardrobe and the lion. That's it. And the witch of course. That's true. Don't worry about the other ones.

Yeah, that's right. It's coming back, isn't it? I don't know, man. I just don't know. It's coming back, isn't it? I don't know, man. I just don't know. It's all a Christian allegory. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all about the obligatory. One of them was just like... In the last one, they go to hell.

I mean, no, they go to heaven, sorry. They go to hell. Isn't one of them like, you had a boyfriend, so you don't go to heaven, so you had sex, and you're scrumptious? What's your name, Susan, I think? Where there's a line in one of the Narnia's where Susan can no longer go to Narnia because she discovered

Lipstick and boys so she's banned from Narnia for good The best Narnia book in my humble opinion is the silver chair because it's about you know They're terrible friend Eustace Scrubs you guys wow that silence is definitely The Pence v. Children or whatever they have this rotten friend named Eustace Scrubs who sucks. He's in the sitcom. He's in the one, the voyage of the dawn trailer where they go on the boat. And he's a good one.

I don't remember. But I just remember loving this kid because he's awful. And he's mean to everyone and everyone hates him. And then in the silver chair, he's hanging out with this deeply unpopular girl that no one loves. And then they go to Narnia and have an adventure and it rocks.

They're just two scumbags rolling around Narnia. And they've got this companion in it called like Puddle Glom, who's like a morbidly depressed frog man. Anyway, shout out to the silver chair. Great. Someone good, aren't you?

Like a goat that likes you. Yeah, this frog who's like, God damn, I hate my wife. Imagine going to a realm of wonder and fantasy. You see this frog who's like, God damn dude, I hate my life. Imagine going to a realm of wonder and fantasy and you see this little frog being like, ah, if you could have, do you have anything like sharp?

Yeah, I hate my life. I don't wanna live anymore. That's what he's like. I have no thumbs and cannot cut myself. This is awful. This is terrible. He rocks, dude. Puddleglom is good.

Step on me. I had the audio books as a kid, like my parents got like the set of tapes and every now and then I'd try one. I'm like, no. I just can't with this, man. I remember there was a show on like ABC when I was a kid.

Oh yeah, I remember that one. I watched that one. Like that big lion puppet and I'm like, I hate this. Yeah. I just could never, it seemed just like, I don't know,

maybe because there were Transformers. But I was just like, when you got Transformers, but I'm Transformers is the other option I get it because like I don't want like with ABC was like either that and it was followed by the animals of Farthing would Oh, yeah I don't want this nani able she yeah, like give me that hedgehog getting run over. Yeah Politics of these animals house that I was a father would absolutely ruin guy's day great. Oh, they're trusting the snake you idiot and now the snake Who what do you think what do you think?

I like the third season of the animals of Farthing would where they added these three biker toads The first one has this like sense of whimsy and realism and then in the last one there's these toads coming in like yeah We're here to wreck the forest or whatever. The fox should eat them. Was this like Ninja Turtles era? Do you think they were like, you're gonna- I wonder if they were. It wasn't really that kind of vibe.

Nice from Mars kind of thing. They were just these three, yeah, it was just very funny, very out of place. I remember the intro of that was like, cause they get moved out of Farthing Wood. We should probably wrap it up after this. We've got some other stuff in the talk, you guys can come back.

Where they're just pouring concrete over hills. But they're just like, you don't want to flatten it out. They just like, just pour the concrete. Concrete it up, people will figure it out. Episode one opens with them killing a toad. Like the very first scene. That show is so brutal. God, it rules.

Yeah man. Animals probably would shout out. Yeah. God damn. We'd have to move it along, but just quickly, Jaren's quest linked below. Outpost. Jaren's Outpost.

God, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm gonna talk about Mythic Quest, that's why. Would you say it includes all the elements of the movie? I would say absolutely. Oh, 100%. A lot of betrayal, a lot of animal death. Christian allegory. Heaps of that. Very good. A negative modifier if you've ever had Yeah, in a modern fantasy setting with Batman and Superman. You got Batman and Superman?

We did. Going back to the medieval times. But modern, there's maybe a dragon. Maybe. But that's actually doomsday. He's the dragon. That makes sense. That does actually, yeah.

Jaren's Outpost, it's a board game coming to Kickstarter March 18th. Fantastic. Help us out, buy a board game and get to play it. It's fun. Alright, well I will. Even if you're a Democrat. Mason, come on man. I know, I'll say what I like.

Wow. Alright, do you guys mind sticking around for the next segment? I'd love to. It's where we talk about what we're reading, what we're going to read. Jackson, you did this with me when we were on the stage, so you know. I know. You can't talk. Banned.

I was shot by an arrow. Immediately banned. Alright, let's do the theme song. I'm doing the theme. What are we reading today? Ah, so this is the segment of the show where we talk about things between watching, reading, or doing. We have a guy that puts the theme song in. I was going to say, because I didn't hear anything.

You met him, it's Collings. That's right, I love Collings. Shout out to Collings. Who wants to start us off? I started reading The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn recently. Wow! For homework? For school? I was once on Do Go On, no on Bookcheat, I think. And I talked about what I was reading and Matt Stewart was

like, you're reading stuff like a uni student is assigned. And I was like, that's embarrassing. No, I got a, I found a copy of Huckleberry, no, I got given as a gift amongst other things from my parents, a copy of Huckleberry Finn, but it was one they'd found at an op shop and it's got annotations that someone else has done in it, which is very cool. It feels like I'm reading alongside someone and as I read them, like, yeah, probably. Yeah. I'm like, who was this guy who was

reading this? Like, I think I looked it up and it's from the eighties. The edition I have some guy. It's an eighties guy in a hyper color t-shirt. Yeah, exactly. Was he reading it for class? I don't know. He doesn't do every chapter. Did he have a podcast? Maybe. Maybe he does now. Yeah. If you lost a copy of Huckleberry Finn in the 1980s, maybe I have it. Are you going to pass it on? I should. I should annotate it myself. You absolutely should.

Because this chapter, this guy hasn't touched. Yeah. You can annotate. He stopped before the end. No, it's weird. So he did the first chapter hasn't done the second third chapter And then I was like looking through and he's done like the eighth chapter. I he's picking it ran I don't know his annotations. That's a good idea. That's what I should do. No, you're This guy's an idiot. I mean, you post it back to his house. Yeah Well, I was trying to track him down, but I forget what his name is, but it's very generic

So I couldn't find him, But I would love to be like, I mean, what a worthless conversation to be like, hey man, I have your copy of this book. And you'd be like, okay. I'm in finance now, I don't know. I have time for this or you. How'd you get this number? Yeah, I got rid of it for a reason.

Yeah, I don't want it anymore. I need a room for two Lamborghinis. Sorry to throw away this stupid book. Just thought you'd want to know. Is it good? Yeah, I'm liking it. I've never really read anything by Mark Twain before. So I'm enjoying it. And the book I read before this was Beowulf.

Cause I was like, I should probably read Beowulf. And I hated it. We hadn't figured out stories yet. I'll say it. Cause the Odyssey is coming up. Do you think you'll read? I might, maybe I will. We learned recently, and this blew my mind,

and I still think about it sometimes, that the third co-host of Plummy the Death Star, Joel Dusha, has read The Odyssey. What? I know. That's not true. I just can't imagine him reading a book. No, me neither.

Yeah, again, it's like your brother, right? But this is like an ape learning to read. I don't, this doesn't compute really. I know he has like eight editions of Catcher in the Rye. Yeah. That I can. Yeah, yeah. I can picture him, or it might be-

No, it's Greg Gatsby. I can picture him reading that. But the Odyssey? I can picture him carrying around like, Catcher in the Rye and fantasizing about shooting John Lennon. Like that's easy. Oh, that's easy to picture.

I close my eyes to all I see. But him reading the Odyssey I cannot do it. Um but maybe I will read it. Maybe I'll read it then I'll test them. Yeah. Maybe he's lying. Or he didn't get it. Yeah yeah yeah. It's like oh by the way. Yeah. Fantastic. I don't know who wants to also say a thing. Who wants to talk? Let's all just say a thing. Hold the Monster Energy drink can and then you're allowed to talk. Well, you're holding the Monster Energy drink. I watched, a couple of days ago, I watched the first episode of Severance of the first season.

And subsequently, I've watched every episode of Severance. Nice. How good is it? It's so good. I'm the last holdout. I finally got Apple TV and I'm like, oh, I should watch. And I'm glad I am because immediately my Twitter feed just turned into people doing spoilers for Severance. And it's just all gifts of people being like, my secret's this. And I'm like, all right.

Good stuff. Yeah, I'm glad I got it. Episode's coming out tonight. At the time of recording, there's a new episode coming out tonight. So, very excited for that. So we should do an episode on Waffy Severance. How many's left? Like four? Three? Yeah, there's a new episode coming out tonight. So very excited for that. So we should do an episode on Waffy Severance Theories. How many's left? Like four? Three? Yeah, there's 10 episodes in this season. So we're at six or seven or something like that.

I think because I've watched the whole season, the two seasons, and I'm like, I've got some theories about this. And I went online. I'm like, I wonder if everybody else has my theories as well. And a lot of them are real out there. I think mine's quite mundane. But like, even if you haven't watched it, this isn't a spoiler, but a lot of them are real out there. I think mine's quite mundane But like even if you haven't watched it, this isn't a spoiler But I like a lot of a lot of the theories are like they're putting people's minds in goats Every time they get in the elevator they go through time No, that explains the old cars and I'm like the old cars is explained by the fact that they live in a town with awful weather Yeah And I'm like the old cars is explained by the fact that they live in a town with awful weather Yeah

If you're parking a car in mud and slush for nine months out of you know by Lexus you buy rust back Do you have a not do you have an old car? But do you have a theory? I do have a theory I said we watched this also. I'm gonna be proven wrong by the end Yes, and probably so and they did say what are they gonna do three or four and then they're wrapping it up So like they're having oh that I have an as well like I'm You know you get you get wrapped up in this sort of thing and then you like well I really hope it's a show where they have thought through what? Mmm. Oh, yeah, it's not lost where they're just throwing stuff at the wall

And it's not like a bunch of other shows with clearly they're like we didn't know it's going so we're just gonna look at Yeah, it's an it theories. Uh-huh. Yeah Yeah, you don't want a Westworld situation. Yeah. Well, that's what this feels like. It feels like the first season of Westworld where they clearly had spent a lot of time in pre-production writing and they're like, everybody's got their own agenda and everybody's got their own sub story and they're all

sort of linked together in a satisfying way. Whereas the later seasons just like, there's a computer that knew everything. Did you watch Westworld? Did anybody watch? I watched all the Westworlds. Do you ever think about the end of season three where they just do the end of Fight Club? Oh yeah, you're right. Yeah.

They just like she even says you've met me at an interesting or maybe Aaron Paul says it, you've met me at an interesting time in my life. You met me just after I watched Fight Club. Yeah. I've come into the real world and somebody recommended Fight Club to me so I watched it and it was good. Today the pixies start playing as well? Yeah. Oh.

Does it? Yeah. Oh damn. I just watched it. I'm 99% sure. Season 3 was a real... Now I'm scared. Season 3 was a real filler.

It was crazy to just be like... And it didn't come from... It's not like the... It was a fight club like reveal at any point. And then 4 is post-apocalyptic, is that right? I've not seen 4. I think? Yeah.

Oh, there is no Season 4. I don't think you can access it anymore now yeah yeah yeah yeah speaking of lost my my wife has been having it on in the background oh yes we have a very small child and so when you and she's like naptrap she's been watching it and I've never seen it and I occasionally like come in and just get glimpses and I Towards the end when like who's this person like that's the smoke monster the man in black. I'm like what? Talking about like that's in like the heart of the island. I'm like what it sounds like this guy. Oh, that's actually not John That's actually the the man in black and I'm like what what happened to him? Oh, he's dead in the chest. I'm like where It sounds dangerous to watch lost wonderfully fascinating. I'm so glad what? What happened to him? Oh, he's dead in the chest. I'm like, where? It sounds dangerous to watch Lost.

Wonderfully fascinating. I'm so glad I didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got real mad at that show and I feel like I feel like it's a vibes thing. We talk about this more than and I did kind of follow whatever thread at certain points, but I really like what's his name? Daman Lindelof. I like everything he's done.

Everything? Yeah. Watchmen. What else did you do? Even any future crimes he might do that are revealed. Yeah. And people are going to remember this and they're going to be like, hey, you said you liked him even though he's not in the house. Ultimate Wolverine vs Hulk.

Very good. The Leftovers is incredible. I do hear good things about The Leftovers. He might have worked on Tomorrowland. I don't know about that one, actually. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Let's talk about that, dude. Because sometimes they become more flavorsome. That is so true, is it?

Because they marinate. They get to marinate. Although I think recently, Jack, that you made a risotto. I did make a risotto in the leftovers, though. It kind of was worse, because I'd frozen it to have as like a meal prep, and then I microwaved it, and it had lost a lot of flavor. And it really bumped me out.

You could have cut that up and like, ate it like an LCM bar. Yeah, oh, now that's an awesome idea. Savory LCM. James, you just changed the game. I might have. Guilty. Anybody ever called you an innovator?

It's time to start another Kickstarter journal day. I think so, I think so. Awful, awful idea. Yo, that rocks. So it didn't get you wanting to see Lost. No. And your parents are, you can't watch that. It'll kill you.

Yeah, I don't wanna do that at all. I guess what I have been reading and I need to maybe preface this with like a page is I think it's David Gimel's legend, which is like a fantasy book. And I'm reading it to my son, who is at time of recording, not four months old. And it starts with someone like, you know, like, you know, like beheading

someone or like, you know, talk about this. And I'm like, I wonder if this is like sinking in at all. Johnny, baby, he, he don't know what it's, you know, he's, he's got that and he's hearing lost. And it's fun to read it because you're trying to make him either like engage or like try to go to sleep. Yeah. I'm, I'm, it's, it's good to look at words and try to like

really just mess them up. Like how like marble, I'm like, it really should be pronounced my belly. Yes, I could not agree more. Thank you. Thank you. We're all on board. Do you think if you continue to read the book,

do you think you'll like get a sense of the narrative or are you just like saying words? No, I think I am currently just saying words at him. Do you stroke, because I read sometimes for my partner, and I can read out loud now, and also comprehend what I'm reading. But I think that's tricky. It is.

For a long time, you're reading out loud, and you're like, I'm not, because I'm focusing on reading out loud or something. Yeah, I was doing that for the picnic. Roadside picnic? Roadside picnic for a while. And it was great because it gives student pregnancy. And like I was doing, I'm doing voices

for all different characters, but like maybe the second sentence, and wife's asleep, just for me. Yeah, doing a little play. Yeah. Well, I found when I was reading Beowulf, because it's like, it's a poem. It's like an old English poem.

To actually comprehend, I had to read it out loud. And that was embarrassing. Yeah, to an old English poem to actually comprehend. I had to read it out loud and that was embarrassing. To be sitting on my own couch reading out loud alone. Cause it sounds like you can't read it. Exactly. It's exactly what it felt like. Well, cause I read to my kids. I was all, it's all reading out loud.

I'm not reading silently next to them. It's all reading out loud. I'm not reading silently next to them. You get this? You get this? Yeah. You finish off the page. It's all voices, and audio effects and whatever, which is great. We're reading, I wasn't going to talk about this, but I don't know if you guys remember the book from the 80s, Hatchet? Yeah. I love Hatchet. You read Hatchet Frozen? No.

Oh no, I've unlocked a memory. This is your Highlander. It's bad? No, it's great. There's Hatchet of Frozen, there's one if he stayed in the... There's one where he goes to Brazil, I'm pretty sure. They're all good. Anyway, it's a guy called Hatchet. No, it's a guy who, it's a kid who

is flying to see his dad and he's and the pilot has a heart attack and he crashes in the Canadian wilderness and he has to survive. Oh, so it's Green Arrow. Yeah, it's Green Arrow. Or Iron Fist. I get it now. I got a framework. My son is being like, well, what if Iron Man turned up? I'm like, it's not that kind of book, man. But what if? Yeah, it would be cool.

It would be awesome, of course. But then there wouldn't be a book. Okay. It'd be about someone else. You save him. Dumb. Good. Is this good? Good resolution? Nah. No, great book. Great book. Also, Iron Man would be busy. Okay. Well, is this good? Resolution? Nah, no, great book. Also Iron Man would be busy. Okay, well Iron Man could send a drone. I guess he could send a drone, yeah, sure. It's very impersonal, but he could.

The drone might get lost. Iron Man's got bigger things to deal with, okay? Yeah, there's a bear. Iron Man could send the Hulkbuster. Yeah, technically that would be true if this was in that universe. It would make short work of that bear with the Hulkbuster suit.

Seeing Tony Stark in this mall Wow crazy Right, that's how we were now It's like trying to summon his arm on the Yeah, oh my god Like cool even say a cool thing Screaming Exactly Tony Stark goes out the way Craven's dad goes out.

Yeah, exactly. Malt by a bear. I was going to talk about Mythic Quest but I want to talk about it another time. It's good. Someone mentioned it on Reddit. Mythic Quest is great. It's about video game development. It's also I think partially funded by Ubisoft but it takes a lot of shots at the industry which makes me think they're not watching it. Not specifically. Interesting. I think it's something like that. I think it is Ubisoft. I watched like the first few episodes and it was a bit, did it grab me? I think it's great. But after, does it get better? I think it gets better yeah and I look I don't remember even that first season very well.

Because yeah the first episodes haven't grabbed me., I'd stayed with it would I've like I think so ordered myself for the good show you were definitely I mean Ross. I was gonna say Rob McElhenney does he get he starts looking healthier. He does Know yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he really does yeah, God bless him. All right again money can do to you Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Jaren's Outpost linked below. Plumbing the Death Star. Incredible podcast. Thank you. You have a video game podcast. I do.

Thumb Cramps. A video game podcast. Probably the best video game podcast there is. It is. Wow. The only. I would say it's the only, the only real one. Yeah.

Yeah. True fans. Exactly. Cool. Thank you so much for coming on. Hey, thanks for having us. You're welcome. Yeah.

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This one's from Danny who says, James Clement, are you going to watch Daredevil Season 3 before Born Again is released? It's by far the best season and you're missing out big time. You're cutting it fine, James. I'm not going to do that. Wow. What, are you busy? Yeah.

Huh. With life? No. Okay. I'm just busy. What do you care? What do you always want to know what I'm up to? Where it's like, oh, James, we've known each other for like 20 plus years.

What are you up to? How are you going? You coping all right? Mind your business. How about that? All right. First of all, that's a very accurate impression of my voice, but I've never said that. It's true. I just wish you would ask.

No, I would like to, but I'm just not going to. Okay. Would you find a recap? A five minute recap? I mean, hopefully they'll do one at the end. Maybe they will. Yeah. I don't know if they will.

I think they might separate it. Yeah, maybe. Maybe they'll do a recap of Echo and She-Hulk. They will do it. Yeah. Previously in the life of Daredevil. I got a root. And then I fought this lady as well.

Went to this barbecue. Yeah. Yeah. She-Hulk. Weird Hulk guy. Yeah, all these Hulks were there. Got a weird haircut. I could see.

I mean, I'm blind, but I can see it. I could see it. I can see the wind rushing through his weird haircut. He's talking directly to the camera. There's no explanation. They're doing it at Parks and Rec or off to the office stop. What's up? What do you got?

Here's an email from Barbara. Hi Barbara. From Poland. Wow. Hey Mason and James. Seeing the latest image from the upcoming He-Man made me think, have you ever started loving something not because it is good But because someone you love loves it

My husband is a huge soft spot for He-Man and I'm surprised how much I care for the new adaptation to be good In the same way I used to low-key hate the minions until one of my sons fell in love with them Which helped us through a hospital stay and now I really like them Oh, that's my husband and kids also made me love Godzilla Kong and all the Jurassic stuff Yeah, but you guys definitely like stuff that my family likes. Like my kids, like they'll be like, you know, go on. They'll watch a thing. Bluey? Bluey? Yeah. I mean, Bluey is great regardless, but there's things that I like. I wouldn't ever watch Teen Titans. I just wouldn't have watched. Yeah, for sure. It's great. I did not like it. I just wouldn't have watched it. That's the reason

I watch Sex and the City. Yes. You know, like Claire and also I was living with two girls at the time who loved it. I'm like, I'll watch this. I'll watch the whole thing. Hated it. No, I didn't. I was very much involved. Any other movies more than anything, right? Yeah, they're both really good movies. The second one especially is your favorite movie. As is the new series. Yeah, great. They're all dynamite. Yeah. Well, thanks to you, I have a grudging respect for the movie, Sunshine. Yeah. I've had to. Oh my God, it's such a good movie though! It's brilliant, sorry.

It's really good! Yeah. I think you would have come to that conclusion by yourself. No, I never would have rewatched it. Because you're really smart. I'm not even sure I'd even... I think you're really smart and capable. Okay.

And you wouldn't have figured it out. Are you only saying this because I say that I like the movie Sunshine? No, I think you're very capable and smart. Okay, well consider this. What if I'm, I was lying there. I don't like the movie Sunshine. What do you think of me now? God, then you're good to trick me.

I give you that. Nothing gets past me. That's not a goddamn thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got one here from Amanda Foreman who says, what abilities slash abilities are you genetically blessed with and what were you nerfed with? I saw something like this on Reddit. She said-

Oh, it's a trend. Yeah. She gives an example. Good problem solving skills, but nerf the ability to procrastinate until an emergency. I think that's not the worst thing either because often then you could just get the thing done really well in the last minute. I think we are the same in the sense that I would never in a group project situation I will step up to do the organizing just because I know no one else. Yeah. Yeah, not I mean, absolutely

But I would I don't want to is this a group project So he is I know no, no, I wouldn't want to but I would do it Yeah, for example this weekend all my friends are going away on a golf trip Uh-huh, and I'm not going. I'm not always, but sometimes I'll organize something. Not with them because they're lunatics and they'll wreck a house. And nobody organized an Airbnb. So it just didn't happen.

So they're going to play golf on this golf weekend and then they're going to go home. So it's like, what the fuck are you doing? Whereas I feel like if I was involved in that, I would at the very least have been like, what are we doing? This golf weekend? I don't play golf. Fuck golf. Here's something I'm good at. I'm very good at keeping a habit, like any habit. Like the reason I'm like an addiction, James. It is keeping a habit really well. Exactly. So like for this, for example, like I've been able to do this because I ever since I started every week, it's a podcast and

a video and whatever and it's just like this is it. I can lock into something forever. It's good for like fitness. I'm good at like you know with my kids because I'm fitness all pizza in my mouth. I wish. Like I can like run a family home really well because like I'll keep the routine and like get the kids to bed like my routines really, but I find it hard to break a routine. Even if it's like bad or there's a better way to do it. I'm like, no, because this is the way I do it. So I would say in one way, like my consistency is like very good,

but it can be a detriment. Interesting. A double-edged sword. And I work too hard. Yeah, that's true. I'm too empathetic. And I'm a perfectionist. Yeah. And yeah, sometimes, And I work too hard. Yeah, that's true. I'm too empathetic. And I'm a perfectionist. Yeah. And yeah, sometimes I work too hard.

Sometimes I get to work early and I live late because I love the work so much. What's something you suck at? I'm not a morning person. It's too attendant. Like, I rate- Your sleep schedule's fucked though. Yeah, yeah. Because of your work.

That's not really your fault. But that's the thing though, because I've never been a morning person. I think my work works well for me because I can do it. I can start work at midday or 1pm or 4pm or sometimes 7pm or whatever it is. And it's easy for me to stay up late. It's fine. But like today, 10am, I think if you asked a normal person, hey, do you want to start at 10am today?

They'd be like, oh yeah, I get to sleep. And I'm like, oh God talking about bones and organs. So I become a morning person through and I'm not through force of like go to the gym like before seven every day. So it's just like, well, I'm up at 620 or whatever. I hate it. But now that's that's my routine. Because I'm a man of habit. And you work too hard. And I love smoking cigarettes. I'm smoking four cigarettes right now. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Is that the show? That is the whole show. I know I got another remark. Okay. I thought you had to rush off to work. I don't have to rush off to work. Mr. 10am can barely function. This is from Jesse from California.

Whoa, hang on. Hey Mason and James, I'm the mate who went to see James London live show last year. I just got out of seeing Daisy Ridley's new movie, Cleaner. I really want to see Daisy Ridley have a career outside of Star Wars. Well, tell that to Mark Hamill slash Aidan Christensen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I will tell that to Harrison Ford, season two of Shrinking. So I tend to try to see your movies on theaters as much as I can. Her newest movie, Cleaner, is one of the best diehard style movies out there.

She does well in action role. My question is how are the careers following Star Wars for all three trilogy's lead actors? Thanks again for all the great podcast moments. If I can ask for a shout out for a great mate of mine, Morgan is the best guy I've met and he's a fan of you both. Well, it seems as if you're the Luke Skywalker character,

whether it be Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker, at the moment Daisy Ridley, though she works and they're all good actors. That's true, yeah. But if you're a secondary character Poe Dameron, Harrison Ford, Ewan McGregor uh-huh those are the ones that appear to have taken off yeah it's interesting yeah because it's not I mean I would say these days it seems that actors or casting people are better at seeing through the kind of type casting. Yeah.

And saying, okay, well, you're not just people will see things other than this main character in Star Wars, they will follow you to other movies if we cast you in something else kind of thing. Yeah. But yeah, it's interesting that it's always the rogue character, the Han Solo character who gets the bigger. Obi-Wan Kenobi, that rogue. Yeah, but you know, and Adam Driver of course has done very well.

John Bayega's been in a bunch of stuff that's good. So I think it just, I think it's also just it's luck, it's timing, it's what you get picked for, it's what people see. That's true. Again, I don't think anybody would look at any of those people and go, are they bad actors or charisma vacuums. But it is what it is. Yeah.

Also, I, you know, unless you're an absolute lunatic with money, if you do a couple of Star Wars, you'd be all right. Yeah. A couple of Star Wars and a death on an aisle or whatever you do. Exactly. Yeah. Tom Holland's make a movie about Tom Holland about a mind snake. Oh, that's right.

You're in the mind snake movie. Yeah. What, that's right. You're in the mind. Yeah. What's that called? Ah, in fin for three. No. How would you even make that into a poster? Yeah, exactly. In French for in French for entry. What's an infantry entry chaos walking.

Yes. Why is it called that? Yeah. Stupid night should be called mind snake. You should watch out for the Mind Snake. In infantry. Watch out for the Mind Snake. Yeah. It should be called Dude Planet, but now there's a girl in there. Because remember that was the other twist.

It was. The first twist was that everything you saw in your mind appeared in real life. The other twist was the planet was all men. And then a lady showed up. Dude Planet. Dude Planet. And that would get all the dudes in. You know what I mean?

Because people would be like, what should I get it? What what movie should I buy a ticket for? Dude planet and if you're a chick you're tickets for dude planet if you're a chick you like I love dudes dudes It's all right. It's cheap dude planet. Yeah That's it. That's it. That's it Get out of here get out of here everybody wrap up, Mason. Folks, thank you so much for listening. We absolutely appreciate it. Thank you for telling your friends about the podcast, because that is how we get new listeners.

And thank you for leaving a five star review on your podcast app of choice, if you believe we are worthy of such a thing. Which we are. If you don't, just don't do it. Don't worry about it. But if you leave a five star review, James will find it and he'll read it out on the podcast. Like this one from Michael Carlson, 22, he says, this is a very good show.

I'm delighted by the very good episode I listen to every week. Episode, sorry. I'm absolutely enamored by that. Did he add that? Is that the apology in there? No, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. So that was me.

I'm absolutely enamored. This is part of it now. And me saying this is part of it. That's what I thought. By the very good content mind of bigsandwich.co. Thank you. That was me. I think it's all very good. It's all, it's so good that I listen to every piece of very good content mind of bigsandwich.co. Thank you. That was me. I think it's all very good. It's so good that I listen to every piece

of very good content multiple times. You sounded very honest there and I liked it. Seems very good. Seems very good. Sometimes I have to big sandwich my very own good content consumption in between my viewings of the very good movie Red Note. It's very good indeed.

This one's from Hex182 who says, I'm often wrong but not about this. The show is funny. Dare I say delightful. Be prepared to be stared at in public as you laugh out loud listening to the show. These fellas talk funny with their wild accents and I'm American. That's saying something. In spite of that, those, well, these wacky Aussies know their movies.

Nick Mason, Nick and Mason, who I thought were brothers, have amazing chemistry. They're special feature, they feature special guests. We do like today. Yeah. Talk comics, do reviews of past franchises, plough through the horribles sequels, industry spawns, discuss books and all forms of pop culture that they can stomach. That's a good synopsis. We should cut that out.

We don't have a synopsis. No. These are the guys in podcasts. These two guys. The two dudes. I mean that's all we need to do. Podcast. Bro Planet.

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Tell you what, if you want a t-shirt you go to teepublic.com. Search for the week planet or weekly planet posters. Thank you to The Bruton, The Basilisk and Rackham for all their musical themes. Next week, Mickey 17 and Daredevil. Yeah, some of that. We're going to talk. That's right. Can't wait for that one. I've been hanging out for Mickey 17 for ages. That's right. Hope it's good for your sake. Me too.

You're going to have a bad week. Yep. Yeah, you got a golf weekend to go to. You've got so many golf weekends to look forward to. I agree. I'm doing golf weekdays, Mason. That's right. All right. Thanks everyone. Grab that gym, you guys. We'll see you next week.

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