The Weekly Planet - 565 Mickey 17 & Daredevil: Born Again

Episode Date: March 10, 2025

Massive news for fans of movies and Disney Plus streaming series this week with the release of Mickey 17 and Daredevil: Born Again. We review both of those plus some of negative reactions they're getting. Plus all your latest news including those Avengers concept art leaks, cancelled Star Wars projects, more Amazon/James Bond shenanigans, an alarming Powerpuff Girls trailer, The Last of Us Part 2 is coming and so is The Electric State but that's bad apparently. There's also a special recap from Maso for Apple TV's Sugar in What We Reading. Thanks for listening!New episode of our clickbait bonus podcast out now! Plus entire back-catalogue of let's play videos, bonus pods, movie commentaries, early access and ad-free episodes all available on bigsandwich.coAlso if you have been affected by that small website bug last week then hopefully you've received an email with some info since. Might have landed in spam folder. Please reach out to our support at [e-mail] if you have any issues. Apologies for the stress and thanks so much to everyone saving us by signing back up. It's so greatly appreciated.Link to Mr Sunday Movies joining Sal from Comic Pop for DCU Talk: https://youtu.be/QoQTCtpYBL0?si=X4ia4aWj6g0_deErPlease be aware timecodes may shift up to a few minutes due to inserted ads.00:00 Big Sandwich01:32 The Start05:39 James Bond Amazon Latest - License to Shill17:43 Cancelled Star Wars Underworld Details21:17 The Powerpuff Girls Live Action Trailer26:14 The Last of Us Part Two Trailer29:19 Avengers Movie Concept Leaks36:59 Electric State Bad Reviews43:25 Mickey 17 Movie Review01:01:16 Mickey 17 Spoiler Segment01:06:43 What We Reading: Daredevil: Born Again01:12:56 Daredevil Eps 1&2 Spoiler Segment01:22:45 What We Reading Continues01:34:56 Letters It's Time For LettersSUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-moviesThe Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Welcome back everybody to another episode of The Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday and with me as always, God bless you, Nick Mason. God bless you. Thank you. What are you up to? Oh, you know, just enjoying the glory of God's earth.

Oh yeah. How's that going? Great. It's not all good though, is it? Sometimes it is, you know. You ever seen a weird horse? glory of God's earth. Oh yeah. How's that going? Great. It's not all good though, is it? Sometimes it is, you know. You ever seen a weird horse? Yeah, that's great. I like it.

You don't like it? I don't like their personalities. I don't like them. Okay, well. Yeah, even regular horses. I don't know how to approach your horse properly. This is my problem, obviously. Clearly.

You approach him with an open palm with an apple on it. Yeah, but you're just going to slap him. That's cool. But I'm not cool enough to do that. Okay, right. With an open palm with an apple on it. Yeah, but you're going to slap him. That's cool. But I'm not cool enough to do that. OK, right. With an open palm slap. OK, all right. Yeah.

Mason, it's a big week, isn't it? It's a huge week. We've got a movie that's definitely going to bomb, Mickey 17. We're going to talk about that. It's definitely going to bomb. Yeah. And a TV series that some people are enjoying and some people are not enjoying.

Are you talking about Daredevil? I'm talking about Daredevil. Yeah, we're going to talk about that in what we're reading. And next week, you want to talk about very much the Electric State. Yes. The Russo Brothers directed direct to Netflix adaptation of an art book. Yeah. Which is not reviewing well and cost $300 million.

I want to talk about that this episode as well. Yeah. But that's not out currently. No. And maybe also next week, I want to talk about Black Bag, which is the new Steven Soderbergh movie. We can both talk about things. I think we can both talk about- And see which is better.

Okay. Let's see which is better. Yeah. Well, I mean, Black Bag costs less money. Yeah. It must be worse. Can't be as good. Can't be as good, right? Yeah. And if it's not being bought by a big streaming company, who's it even for?

Do you think Cate Blanchett is going to say, well, that just happened? I mean, she might. She did Borderlands. Yeah, she did. So that's, you know- Oh, yeah, she did. That's not out of- Oh, she did. you did not out of a wheelhouse. Oh, no Yeah, that was bad. Yeah, why did anyone do that? I don't know man any of them. It's still a mystery

It is isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, the time goes below if you don't jump to anything including the state of 007 now that it's been over at Amazon and how that happened. We've got some more details I don't think these are new details, but it came to light this week, Rick McCollum, who was an old Star Wars producer on the prequels, talked about the Star Wars show he was going to make with George Lucas and how much that was going to cost a lot. A lot. Yeah.

We've got trailers for both The Last of Us Part II and Powerpuff Girls. Something that's never going to come out. That's right. Obvious reasons when you see the trailer. We want to talk a little bit about the Avengers doomsday and secret wars leaks, but in the Vegas sense, right? Not in the Las Vegas sense, in the Vegas sense, I like a Las Vegas, like a Las Vegas. How much of that gets into the final? Yeah, that's right. And in a roll down bones.

Yeah, there's a bunch of crossbones. Whoa. He's not in it. He don't know. He might be. He came back. He he exploded but he came back in an Avengers Endgame they went time. Oh, they went time travel. Yeah, that's right. Don't you remember? Yeah, I remember I remember remember and then we're gonna talk about the electric state and what's going on there in terms of reviews So we're talking about we're gonna talk the electric state this week and then also next week No, I just want to talk about some of the reviews people that have I haven't seen it No, we haven't. I haven't seen any of the post Avengers, Bruce O'brothers movies.

The Grey Man. I've seen the Grey Man. Tom Holland's Asshole. I'm sure the movie. Yeah. What was that one called? Cherry? Cherry.

That's right. Tom Holland's Cherry. As it were. I just want to quickly mention also Sal and I from over at Comic Pop. People might be familiar with that channel. He does back issues, which incredible comic book show where they talk about famous and maybe not so famous comic books at length. It's a lot of fun with Ethan and Ben and Tiffany.

We recorded a video of his channel where we talked about the current state of the DCU and the new slate that they just announced. A bit over an hour. We also get into like Star Wars and Jurassic World and a bunch of other stuff. You're covering all the big franchises out there. He's great. He's always, we should talk more often because it's always a blast.

You know Sal. I don't know, have you ever spoken to him? No. Well I have and he's great myself. Wow. Saved some talking to Sal for the rest of us. I can't. Buddy.

I'm going to take it all up. Oh man. Yeah. Well let's check that out. I can't. Buddy. I'm going to take it all up. Oh man. Yeah. Well let's check that out. That'll be linked below. Great channel. Great guy. A lot of fun.

Mason, this is by a THR. Go on. They had an article called License to Shill inside Amazon's 007 takeover. Okay. Now. Right. They've been sitting on that headline for a long time. You're not wrong.

No, I mean. Someone would have used it. Somebody would have used it for like all the product placement and all the bond movies and whatever. That's true. And there'd be a YouTube channel which is like, Bob's got work license to shill, whatever. Yep. Yep, there's one from five months ago.

There's a bunch of other stuff. Oh my god, so much. So this is maybe the most common James Bond headline. Oh, you know, it's not that common. Or this one says angry rant, license to shill. That's good. Nice. That's from five years ago.

So those are good ones. Yeah. So you'd be licensed to shoot a gun. Yeah. He has that doesn't he? He does. Absolutely. Shoot anybody and anything.

Do you want to quickly? But he but he and we've talked with I'm sure we've talked about this before. Yeah. In order to gain your license to kill, you have to kill two guys. So that's a risky. It's a ball of food. What if you kill one guy? What if you kill one guy and then you get arrested or something? And you're like, well, I'm on my way to getting the license to kill. And they're like, well, you got caught. Yeah, you got caught. What if you kill the two guys and they're like, actually, we just covered

that position. We just got a 007. So you're going to prison. Or maybe just lay low. Yeah, just just lay low until the position becomes vacant. That's right. You're through, but you haven't got your license to kill just yet. Yeah, so just let that sit on your conscience while you work in the records room for a couple of years until 009 or whatever gets killed and then you can slot in there. I don't think they put you in the records room. I think they put you in a CD CD store or something. Oh like a sanity

Yeah, you have to work in a sanity or a jb high for something. All right, and also Lilo Yeah, it's got a long beard with a with a knot in the bottom of it. Absolutely. You're right in that's right Don't worry about it. Anyway, do you want to quickly what happened with the Amazon thing? Give us a give us a breakdown Mason Oh, man. All right. Well, so Maybe we mentioned it in previous weeks, but did Amazon purchased MGM, the movie studio, which contained all the, all the properties they run, including the James Bond franchise, but you probably others. Oh yeah. Some others, some other stuff. Metro, Goldwyn may have probably some things that have follies in

the name. Yeah. Oh, the Hollywood follies of 1941 great really good stuff I'm just looking at what else they have There's a lot of stuff but due to some contractual agreements with eon productions and the broccoli family the famous broccoli family Amazon weren't able to immediately just start making James Bond properties. They had to get the approval of the broccoli's And they were not they were not given that approval. But recently Amazon announced that they have now acquired the full rights to do anything they want with the Bond movies. The Broccoli family and productions have seated control, presumably for so much money. And I think, I don't know if you have the quote there, but Jeff Bezos said something very Bon Villainous in a maybe in a behind the closed doors meeting

or something like that. Yeah. Or he just said it. I mean, he just said it because he can. Because he sucks? Probably got out of his spaceship with a cowboy hat on and he just said it. Yeah. Those things, they don't explode that much, do they, those spaceships?

They explode a lot, James. Yeah, but not as much as you'd like. Correct. Yes. Okay, Mason. So in this article... Yes. Bearing in mind, some of the stuff we make is probably stored on Amazon Web Services. Definitely.

Yeah. Yeah. You could just make us disappear is all I'm saying. Yeah, definitely. Carby Broccoli, who had it before Barbara Broccoli, his daughter, was in charge of the franchise. Before he died, he said, don't let anybody screw it up. You can screw it up if you want to, but don't let other people screw it up.

That's what he said. Final words. Classic dad, final words. Barbara Broccoli was- They were his final words? He didn't have anything else after that? No, not I love you or whatever. James Bond.

Retain the IP rights to James Bond. She was too when the first Bond movies came out. I think she really stepped up during the golden eye era. I think that was when she came into like full. Have Pierce Brosnan appear in the toilet. His first appearance should be upside down in a toilet cubicle. That's right. Yeah.

I know she worked on one prior to that, but that was I believe that was when like the franchise was fully hers. And what's his name? The other guy? Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson. So sources close to the franchise say the streamer approached the Broccolis with pictures for a TV series based on Moneypenny. We talked about this, obviously that would have been like, let's do an Amazon series. Yeah. And there's like James Bond, spinoff comics and et cetera. Blah, blah, blah, et cetera. They even suggested a few actors, but none of the Broccoli's would sign off on okay six years after the deal was made

Or six years after also the last Bond movie. Uh-huh. Nothing has happened Yes I mean as in there's been no forward momentum The only thing is there's a TV show hosted by Brian Cox called double-oh-seven road to a million Okay, you know that is no I've heard the name and I was aware that Brian Cox hosted it for some reason. And he didn't really... It's not Professor Brian Cox, it's the actor Brian Cox. He thought he was signing on for a Bond villain role.

Incredible. Which makes sense because why would there be whatever the show is, which is nine pairs of everyday people are unleashed on an epic global adventure through a series of Bond inspired challenges. Oh, it's like The Amazing Race. It's The Amazing Race. Terrific. I mean, Bond doesn't typically work with a partner. So it does, you know, thematically doesn't.

I agree. Yeah, you know what I mean? Sometimes love a partner. Yeah, I guess. But then you have to be like, okay, you're Bond, you're Felix Lider. And the other guy will be like, oh, I'd be okay with being Felix Lider. One time he had robot legs. That's true. And that's good.

The only other thing that has emerged from this is that during the Oscars this year, which we'll talk about, but you didn't watch any of those. I watched some of the XCOM source. I thought Conan O'Brien was very funny. He was great. But they did a Bond tribute. Yeah. Despite the fact that No Time to Die kept, the last Bond movie came out several years ago. Yeah. And it's not a particular anniversary of the books or the movies. No. and it was... They didn't plan it for this either. No they didn't they're not yeah they didn't it's not... This would have been in Warworks for months. The franchise isn't cancelled it's just odd yeah they got Margaret Qualley who's not in any of them good and some people to sing the Bond so I don't understand what what was happening there I did like

it yes did you? No not at all no. Yeah I only stills and went, I don't need to. Okay, great. I saw the Adam Sandler bit. Oh, yes. That was fun. I saw the bit where Conan O'Brien mentioned that Drake is a pedophile. Yep. That was a good bit. There's a moment where... There's a joker joke, which is quite good. I enjoyed... Of it that was on, I enjoyed a lot of it. It was just refreshing to see a Oscar's presentation that with jokes written by people who seemingly actually like movies and watch some of the movies and can tell jokes Yeah You can tell jokes as opposed to previous years when a lot of it's just like these movies are bad and they're too long And what do you think you're clever making a clever movie boo this sucks?

Boo, I mean, that's what I think. Yeah, I mean, me too. Yeah, but it's nice to have someone who doesn't think that. Yeah. So Michael Wilson, of course, who worked on this, this franchise with Barbara Broccoli, he's in his 80s. So he stepped away, meaning that Barbara Broccoli was on her own dealing with the studio, which is a nightmare. I'd imagine just relentless Amazon studio heads. I mean, I'm asking she had lawyers as well Sure, but just pestering you with crap. Yes, and it's ultimately your decision. Probably they worked well together They had very different ideas of what bond should be and different political I think you should I think you should be a big sexist. Well, I think he should be less sexist Yeah, but still sex somewhere in the middle. Yeah, that's right. Let's compromise. Yeah, so he's moderately to very sexist

middle. Yeah, that's right. Let's compromise. Yeah. So he's moderately to very sexist. Wall Street Journal also we talked about this a few weeks back, they published an article calling Amazon executives, where she called Amazon executives, fucking idiots. Which Daniel Craig has also done, I believe. Absolutely. Yeah. Not surprisingly, the those choice of words not go over well with Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, who said he read a quote in the journal and got on the phone and said, I don't care what it costs. Get rid of her.

There it is. Yeah, that's that's you. That's your Blofeld moment. Yeah. It confirmed it confirmed that Bezos ended up paying for the franchise close to a billion dollars. So if they went to her and said, he's a billion dollars, I'd imagine

she'd be like, I'm tired and I'm taking this money. Sure. That makes sense. So that's how we got here. I mean, a billion dollars would get anybody to do anything. I was going to say I think it'd be a rare person who would wouldn't be offered a billion dollars and would say and wouldn't say I'm tired and I'll take a billion dollars. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Again, as we've talked about, I don't necessarily think this means that the Bond franchise will immediately go in the toilet I mean, it's been in the toilet multiple times. That's correct even during the same Bond actor. Yeah, it's in and out of the toilet constantly. I think the glut is gonna be

bad Too many Bond whatever. I think it is kind of like it's a special franchise in the sense that we don't get one Every year and a streaming show on a spin-off and a whatever. Oh, yeah, and that will probably change but I'm I'm hoping very much that this gets into the hands of producers who are fans of the concept and alike We understand why it's special because mmm because it's not there's not a glut of it so we we sure but they won't you also want a Felix lighter just his

legs spin off absolutely legs got bitten off by a shark and then what happened to those legs yeah that's right they get put on a something a shark yep and now he's a land shark Felix light his legs land shark. That's right. Yeah, that's right. And now he works for let's say odd job. Yeah, let's say odd job. So there were rumors that apparently this is true of years back, Nolan was very- Lighter legs. Sounds fun, doesn't it?

What do I say? Oh, I thought you wanted me to add to that. No, I'm just doing, I'm just- Because you pointed at me. No, I'm just pointing dramatically like Margaret Collie would at the Oscars Okay. Yeah, it's the songs called lighter legs. I don't know the shark is called lighter legs Because he's quick on his feet. Yeah, it's lighter feet. Okay. Yeah, does he like I is that the legs under the body? I don't lay on the fins that he stands upright

I think they're is he more wheelbarrow or directly up this shot he's midway okay I think they're sort of in the middle of his body oh so he can kind of tilt back like a T-Rex like a T-Rex or a Godzilla or what have you yeah yeah yeah why the legs we're not we're we're we're so if you remember Christopher Nolan was apparently offered and he ended up no he wanted to do it and he turned it down because he wasn't going to get final cut. So I'm not going to do this. And then he just made Tenet.

Exactly. So the rumor is, and this has come from multiple sources, that Christopher Nolan is the number one choice to take on this franchise. He's busy though. Yeah. Also, apparently as part of when he took it on, he only wanted to do one and they maybe wanted to do multiple with him. But he's not really a...

The only multiple thing he's done is the Dark Knight and he only really seemed to do one and they maybe wanted to do multiple with him But he's not really of the only multiple thing He's done is the dark night and he only really seemed to do that on the last one so he could make whatever he wants For the rest of his life. Well, that's true He was like he made a calculation of a decade of my life to do blockbusters and then blank check forever. Blank check forever! Oscar's baby. Yeah, so there you go. But maybe he'll be Lured by the lighter legs. You know what I mean?

He might be. I wouldn't say so, but he might be. That's right. Don't fall into the ocean of legs. They're lighter legs. Brr-da-brr. I'm imagining the intro sequence. The intro with the swirling water.

And swirling legs. There's a shark coming up and there's legs. You know? It's good, I think. shark coming up and there's legs, you know It's good. I think yeah spiraling legs and you go through the middle of the spiraling legs and the mouth Yeah, yeah, very good beautiful ladies. Yeah, beautiful ladies So yeah, there you go Who knows I don't know I think some will be good and some will be bad correct Or all will be bad. Oh, it'll be bad, but it won't all be good.

That's so true, isn't it? There is no way on earth that it will be all good. Yep. Next up we got this. So yeah, as we said, Rick McCollum, who people would know, he produced the Star Wars prequel movies. I think he did a very good job at that. At that? At that. Very good that because George Lucas said I want to make these movies exactly like this and he did that. He assisted in that. I talked about this before. I think I've even got a video on it somewhere or part of a video. That we're going to do a Star Wars underworld live action series.

There is footage of this that leaked a few years ago. It's pre volume so it's using, like it's using green screen sets. But as you film it puts them on a virtual environment. That was the idea behind it. But you would, as an actor, you wouldn't see that. There would be a little monitor. Yeah, there would be, but there's like, there's constantly the actors will be looking at the little monitor. Well, there's other actors and boxes and set dressings. Okay. Well, as long as there's other actors in boxes. Yeah, but there's the wider environment is fake. Would this have been set because there was also

that video game that was gonna be set on the, what's the name of the city planet? Oh, 1313, you're talking about the service that in Coruscant. Coruscant. Coruscant. So was this gonna be set in the underworld of Coruscant or just the underworld of everywhere? I think it's just the underworld in general. It's set, I believe it's set between the trilogies.

Because there's some images here, as you can see, and it's like Stormtroopers and whatever. There's also footage if you want to know. Oh, there's that. You get it, Stormtroopers and etc. and so forth. Yeah. So it would have covered like, Boba Fett and whatever else. There were 60 scripts. Each script...

So 60 scripts nearly finished. Finished, apparently. Okay. They would have cost $40 million each to make finished. Finished apparently. Okay. They would have cost $40 million each to make as in each episode. Okay. Which totals to about $2.4 billion. Alright.

They could never have made this. And this was going to be released on regular television presumably. Seems that way, yeah. Because there wouldn't have been, there was no streaming at the time. No, it was also like, we weren't quite in that golden era of television. Like there was- Like we are in now. That's right. Electric state. Glut.

Now yeah. Yeah. Like there was a primer. What about a streaming service just called Glut? And it's just too much stuff. Yeah. You just you just spoiled for choice. Yeah.

You're paralyzed with choice. Oh my god. But here's the secret. There's actually nothing on it. Yeah. It's just endless thumbnails and you just you scroll for 30 to 40 minutes. They're just AI generated. And then like you know what I'm going to bet. Yeah. None of them are real minutes. They're just AI generated. And then like, you know what?

I'm going to bed. Yeah. None of them are real shows. None of them are real. Yeah. So Rick said this. Oh yeah, on first name basis. Yeah.

Rick McCallum. That's right. These were dark. They were sexy. They were violent. They were absolutely wonderful. Wonderful, complicated, challenging. I mean, it would have been nice to blow up the whole Star Wars universe and Disney definitely

would never have offered George to buy it. Ha ha. But it's one of the great disappointments in our life. To blow up the whole Star Wars universe and Disney definitely would never have offered George to buy it. Haha But it's one of the great disappointments in life in our life like the bloody Star Wars They are I think this could have been interesting but I'd rather and or sure. Yeah, whatever this is which we're getting soon, right? Very yes, I'm April April April April as soon as daredevil finishes I straight into and or I guess it would have been interesting because, you know, there was Star Wars on television at the time. There was Clone Wars and whatever, which was running. This is pre-Disney. Yeah, right. Yeah, I think it would have been... It was a weird in-between time of before streaming and also digital environments,

but everything was still really expensive. So it just... It wasn't... I think also they probably would have thought they could do this because they did a similar thing with the young Indiana Jones. Like the budget on that series was huge. You know, real sets and locations and you think this might've been edutaining. I hope not. Yeah, me too. It doesn't say so. It says complicated. Oh, complicated could be educated though. Yeah. Disney still would have bought this though. I know he's saying that Disney wouldn't have bought it. Yes, they would. Yeah, absolutely would have no questions asked Mason Mmm, some questions. I want to ask you though. Is that the boat coming in that brings the trailers honk?

Yeah, you're right this boat I thought they were your mates no we didn't make up if that's what you think Yeah, I thought maybe maybe in between episodes talk in between episode. Maybe you should know Maybe you should go for a walk with the boat and have a chat. We don't have that kind of relationship. Me and you don't. Maybe you could. Well, maybe I'll talk to the boat and then we'll see if we can arrange some sort of, maybe a call. You gotta put legs on the boat? Am I dragging the boat? What are you talking about, Ethan? You might have to go out to the pier, I think. I'm not going to the pier. Why would I? The boat can come to me, if anything. How about this? You go to the pier, let me finish. Yeah.

And you get one of those soups in a bread bowl. Yeah. And you have a nice time. Yeah, that's it. You have a nice time. Doesn't that sound nice? No. You get a chowder. You get a chowder in a bread bowl. I'm not really a chowder guy. You can get-

More of a pitter-patter pizza guy. Yeah, we know. We're well aware. I'm sure they can give you some other kind of soup in a bread bowl. I don't want that. I don't want to hang out with this boat that brings us trailers every week. It has for years Okay, it's a purely business relationship that costs us way too much money. It's true. Anyway, what are they out loading this week? We've got to look at the Powerpuff Girls, which is a cancelled CW Pilot which is a sequel to the original series, but it's all dark and gritty and real Yeah, and it got cancelled in seeing this trailer for obvious reasons one. It's got a to the original series, but it's all dark and gritty and real. And it got cancelled. In seeing this trailer, for obvious reasons.

One, it's got a big watermark across it. You could never release that, obviously. And it just doesn't look very good, does it? I mean, it looked... Look. It's hard also with a pilot to judge. I tell you what, it gave me vibes of the modern Scooby-Doo movies. I say modern, like like whenever they came out the James Gunn written. Yeah ones that they kind of you know kind of

post ironic Yeah, we're from it. We're from a simpler time. We're from a simpler time, but now we're dealing with my drugs Yes, exactly now drugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah celebrity. Oh, we didn't mention this but um Opportunity let's mention it now. That's the perfect time to mention it. It is the perfect time to mention it. Whatever this thing is. It's a bloody... George Lowe, who was the voice of Space Ghost, passed away.

Well, he was the voice of Space Ghost on Space Coast to Coast. Yeah, not original Space Ghost. Was he early 60s? Is that right? Well, the early 60s... No, he was in his early 60s. He was in his early 60s, yeah, but I mean that's Space Ghost Coast to Coast. In terms of like... Does that bring us Harvey Birdman? Was that post Harvey Birdman? Harvey Birdman was post that, yeah. So yeah, I mean this was... If you haven't seen Space Ghost Coast to Coast, I'm sure there's a bunch of

examples of it on YouTube and etc, but it's just... It was the the era of taking all those old Hannah Barbera stuff that was honestly not... Oh my god, it was the 94. I didn those old Hanna Barbera stuff. That was honestly not great. Oh my god, it was the 94. I didn't know it was that long ago. There's some really good episodes. Yeah. As Space Ghost becomes increasingly unhinged and mad with power, because he's the host of a terrible talk show. Yeah.

But just taking these old characters that people barely remembered and sort of turning them into... Something? Yeah, yeah, something. Yeah. God, imagine something. Imagine something. Yeah. Okay, so check Yeah. God, imagine something. Imagine something. Yeah. Okay, so check it out. Yeah. RIP. So yeah, what I found weird about this Powerpuff

Girls trailer, Happy International Women's Day, everybody. Powerpuff Girls trailer. Congratulations. Congratulations. Is it at the start, it's like the Powerpuff Girls, they made a big mistake and they killed that monkey or whatever they work with. I can't remember. I've never really seen it. But they're also grown women at that point. They're not girls. And then it's like seven years later and they're all grown up and it's like they look exactly the same.

Oh, I see. So what do we- I didn't think about the trailer that much, if I'm honest with you. You gotta think about it. If you're gonna talk about it, you gotta think about it. Okay, right.

If the boat's going out of its way, which by the way, I don't like, you should still respect the content that it brings. Okay, right. Sounds like you guys have something a little bit in common there. No, we don't. You respect the process. We don't respect each other. Wow. And that it brings. Okay. Sounds like you guys have something a little bit in common there. No we don't. You respect the process.

We don't respect each other. Wow. And that's true. Wow. Anyway, this is dead forever. But it's got Donald... Donald Faison from Scrubs. And he's great.

So that's good. And there's a moment where he's like, you're my daughters. And I'm like, you all seem the same age. Who... some of these Powerpuff girl actors, have they gone into other stuff? Because I feel like I recognise them. One's from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. But that's part of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me check. Let me check the cast. Powerpuff girl actors, have they gone into other stuff? Because I feel like I recognize them. One's from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. But that's part of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me check. Let me check the cast. That's Chloe Bennett. Chloe Bennett, yes. Daisy on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Dove Cameron. I recognize the name Dove Cameron, but I don't know why.

She was in The Descendants. She was in Liv and Maddie. She was in Shameless. That's a big show. Shameless, that's a big show. Shameless. That's a big show. Yeah. I got to watch Shameless. Oh, she's a Dove Cameron is a Disney Channel alum. Yes.

She's been in a bunch of other things. And Yana Peralt is also in a bunch of things. Oh, Descendants was the one where they were the descendants of a bunch of Disney villains? Is that that show? Yeah, I reckon. Probably. Yeah, I would say, yeah. Terrific. That's what that is. And you didn't even need to, I reckon. Probably. Yeah, I would say, yeah. Terrific. That's what that is. You didn't even need to tell me that.

Okay. Yeah. It says, in present day, whatever, they're descendants of evil villains or whatever. Yeah, right, right. This is what you said. It's all whatever. Thanks, man. So they're Cradlidaville, Maleficent, and the Evil Queen.

Oh, and Jafar. Nice. How are they all in the same time period? Multiverse. Oh yeah. Oh yeah! Oh yeah! Also go to Trailer for The Last of Us Part 2 before we get its release in April. Get ready for the saddest thing you'll ever see again. Now you've played The Last of Us Part 2?

Yes! How accurate do you think this is? Looks pretty accurate. Okay, alright then. From what I can say. I believe they're splitting that game up over a couple of seasons. Okay, right, right, right. Which makes sense. It's a very long game. Now, some things that I noticed in this having not played the second game, is there a group

of people, they may be cultists? They live on the outside and they have a sort of a mark on their cheek? Yeah, that's a really good, there's a section of the game where you get surrounded by this cult and they use whistles to communicate and you have to sneak out and escape and stealth the way out and everything's on fire and it's horrendous. It's really good. Is everything on fire because Joel had that flamethrower? No, that's not how I wish. There's moments, like I think the game is too stretched out and I think some of the narrative doesn't necessarily line up with the gameplay.

But I think there's like, there's very key moments in the game that are very, very strong and that is one of them. Okay, great. Yeah. But I think there's too much kind of hand holding and drawn out kind of story elements that don't mesh with gameplay, which I've talked about, I think in previous things. I think this could be, I think this could be better is what I'm saying. I think you could say- Oh, you think the show will be better than the game? I think it could be.

It could be, okay. I don't know. I mean, I show will be better than the game? I think it could be. It could be, okay. I don't know. I mean, I think in many ways, the first season... But it could be worse. It could be worse, definitely. In many ways, the first season is better than the game. Right. Oh, it's, you know, it's also a different medium, obviously.

It's kind of hard to compare, but... But yeah. We'll do it though. Yeah, we're doing it. We'll do it for you, the listener. Yeah. So, yeah, we're looking forward to that. And just have a real bad time, everybody.

You think everybody's gonna have a bad time? Well, if you know the game, you'll know you're gonna have a bad time. And even if bad time everybody. You think everybody's gonna have a bad time? Well if you know the game you'll know you're gonna have a bad time. And even if you don't you know you're gonna have a bad time. It's a bad universe. It's a bad sad universe. Yeah, bad and sad. Speaking of bad. I told you this when I played the first game you go into like a hideout or something like

you know one of the various factions and there's a couch there and it's got all rips in it and I'm like they're never gonna be able to fix that couch. There's no, logistically there's no couch there and it's got all rips in it. I'm like, they're never gonna be able to fix that couch Yeah, there's no logistically. There's no that's like no couch guy anymore No, you know, you can't just go call a guy and be like do you have some guns? Yeah, some hundred couch guy. Yeah. Do you have some upholstery options for this couch? No, I'm dead Yeah, I was killed by a thing with a with a big mushroom head. No, I'm not now. I'm not so I won't fix your car Yeah, that's right. But thanks for calling. I will kill you though. If I see you I'll kill you. Where are you? Yeah. Where are you right now? Where's this couch? Near a couch you say. Okay. Yeah, I mean. It's maybe very sad. Yeah. I'm hoping we get some standalone episodes. About a couch maybe? The couch maybe.

But you know, there's that episode with Frank and Bill. Yep. Which is one of the better ones. There's some great stuff in that first season. So yeah. Maybe we'll get an episode with Frank and Bill, which is one of the better ones. There's some great stuff in that first season. So yeah, maybe we'll get an episode with Ellie and Joel. Maybe. Yeah. Sneak that in. I saw some hints to stuff that happens in there. I'm like, Oh, yeah, this bit. Oh, there'll be some flashbacks and whatever. And also, if you've seen the first season, you know, there's a big secret at the end. Maybe that comes out. Maybe that's hinted out in the trailer. Anyway, bye boat Not friends. We never will be honk. Shut

Your face. Okay, Mason go on Avengers Doomsday and secret wars leaks. Oh question mark. It's gonna be some spoilers I guess so skip ahead now. I said to you I think these aren't like oh, I think they're not these legit I think I legit they are legit, but I don't think I don't think somebody has accidentally done this I don't think somebody risked their entire because this went up on someone's Like a car station art station, and I don't think someone went well I've been tasked with making concept art for the upcoming Avengers movies by a company that is notoriously Protective of its secrets especially with this franchise. Yes.

I'm going to accidentally put them up on my website. I think this is deliberately to build hype. Yeah. Unless this person is fired. It could be both. It could be both. It could be like, do you want a billion dollars? Yeah. And you're fired though, forever?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So do we want to talk about these in detail? Yeah, I think we can. Yeah, okay. Let's talk a little bit about. So it seems to be. Yes. Well, the- I know I was talking, but whatever. No good that it's well what the the I was talking about Oh, I'm good You had an expression on your face that said I've lost all capacity for human language

And I'm like well better help this dude out where you come in. That's right so they're you know, they're adopting at least somewhat the Secret was the most recent Secret Wars comic book limited series. It looks like Doctor Doom has sort of rebuilt the world in his own image in a cosmic way. But in this way, it looks like it's been at least some of the world is like a medieval world now. And Doctor Doom is seems to be, you know, the king of this kingdom. He's married to Sue Storm. And we're getting what we got in the Secret Wars comic

Book so his right hand man is dr. Strange, and he's kind of the sheriff of this year town We get we're getting we got an image of the Hulk and she Hulk Hulk town And also what I should what we should say of course is that anytime there have been these sort of leaks It's not necessarily any of that is gonna make it into the the movie. A lot of the, when you've seen previous concept art, especially when they do the big concept art books, oftentimes you see so much stuff that just didn't make it into whatever particular movie they're talking about. I think that- But I think the general idea of the Secret Wars movie, and I think this would be Secret

Wars specifically, is that this is what they're going for. Yeah. This exact. We I mean we do see I think in one we do see the Young Avengers. There's there. Yeah. They're in an inn of some sort. Peter Quill is there. Peter Quill is there.

That horrible little X-Men bean. Doop. Yeah. Yeah Doop is there from X-Force. Yes. Who's a kind of a sort of a big floating potato man who has an entire universe in him. I don't know. I don't think Doop is going to make it. I think Doop will make it.

Who is Peter Quill hanging out with? He's on the couch with someone. Oh, Vision. Vision. There we go. White Vision. White Vision. Do they have time to put all this stuff into expanded media before we get to these movies? I don't know if they do. I think there's enough of it that they've laid the groundwork for in other properties.

Like I didn't see much here that they haven't already done. Yeah, right. Or will do beforehand. So we got the in terms of the Young Avengers we got. But is it a coherent build up? No. They clearly pivoted to this at the last minute. That's exactly right. Because of Jonathan. If anything, if any of this is still gonna happen. But the so the Young Avengers at the

table so it's New Hawkeye. Wiccan. Wiccan, Hulkling. Is it Kate Bishop there? Yeah, first off. Oh, you said that. Sorry. Yeah. Yes, Wiccan and Speed, I think.

The other Scarlet Witch son. So yeah, that's fun. I know because we've heard rumors of a Young Avengers TV show or movie and I guess they'll put some of it in here. I think they've probably gone, there is not enough time to do that before, so we're going to have to introduce them in this, we're going to tease them in this and then spin them off later. In the comic book. Which feels like unnatural storytelling.

Sure. Why not? Why not do some unnatural storytelling? Hey, remember that time we were all on, we did a Secret Wars? Let's be a team now. Let's be a team. It seems as if though this world that they've built in the comic book as well, they lost all them.

They are the original heroes. Some from across different dimensions, but they've no memory of their previous worlds. So this is always, so Dr. Doom has basically built this entire society around him where he is a god and he's using another character to imbue himself with god-like abilities. Johnny Storm is the son. We did a Big Sandwich comic book club on it, if you do want to check that out, bigsandwich.co. Yeah, I gotta say, I don't hate it. I don't hate it. But do you love it?

I don't know yet. I like that comic book. And I think it could be an interesting way to, because again, I think a lot of people haven't seen a lot of this stuff, to re-establish or for the first time establish characters for the new audience members. I mean, speaking of, one thing that the Secret Wars series was about was the incredible rivalry between Reed Richards and Doctor Doom. There's not really a lot of time to establish that. You get one movie before that. Like that is really like, Secret Wars really is the endless decades long rivalry between

those two characters. Coming to a dead end. And how ultimately all of this huge reality altering stuff is about how one guy thinks he's smarter than another guy. And they've debated that over the decades. And likes his wife. And yeah, secretly wants to kiss Reed Richards' wife or whatever. But so they're changing the dynamic.

Yeah. Or are they just going to go, by the way, you Reed Richards, who we've just introduced in a previous movie, has a big rival with Dr. Doom. Yeah. Or is this going to be, or are they leaning heavily on? It's the regular characters from the regular universe. Yeah, and now surprise that dr. Doom looks a lot like Tony Stark Yeah, yeah. Well, I think I think what a lot of them wouldn't even know. Yeah, Iron Man is

This also bearing in mind if this is secret was There's going to be fantastic for and then there's going to be Avengers Doomsday. Yes. They could build up some of it in that and then we'll get to this. So they can probably put in some of the rivalry. Wong's here. Yeah. What's he doing again?

He's hanging out with the young Avengers. That's cool, Wong. Well, he was going to have that Wong School show or whatever, wasn't he? Yeah, Wong School. Come to the Wong School. That's right. That's fun. Yeah, again.

And also that's the Hulk's son, right? Better haircut? Better haircut. Is the actual Hulk in it? Yeah, he's there. Are there Hulks in the background? The town of Hulks? It is a town of Hulks, yes.

Some less impressive than regular Hulk. Do you think they're going to have the Thor force? Because in the comic book the police force is just Thor from any dimension they can get. Yeah. And there's like hundreds of them. I mean, maybe. You're gonna pay Hemsworth? You're gonna pay him $50 million?

I mean, you pay him and then you get a bunch of other actors to do... Yeah, Rando's, yeah. Like the other Hemsworths. Yeah. You get Liam and... Put a Loki in. That would be fun. Maybe Tom Hiddleston one.

Maybe there's a frog one. Frog, yeah, maybe. You know? Bring back Richie de Grant. Yeah. As Loki, but now he's Thor. As Loki, but now he's a frog one. Frog, yeah, maybe. You know? Bring back, um, Rachidi Grant. Yeah. As Loki but now he's Thor. As Loki but now he's Thor, yeah. Alligator Loki but Thor. Why not? All the other ones.

All the other ones. Yeah. Look, don't hate it. Will it be good? I don't know. Yeah. Uh, I think it is rushed. I think it's not going to do two billion like the previous ones.

It just can't. There's not that momentum behind it. No. People are tired. And we're just talking about us. think audiences uh-huh they're not they don't have the not jazzed no do you think maybe Superman although from a different universe do you think that's gonna re and jazzify people for comic book movies like this is really good I mean it could for Superman but yeah but also that might not read jazz anybody I know read jazz anybody

Yeah, we're kind of in this weird limbo of You get a Deadpool of Wolverine and then you get a Craven and it's like, I don't know how fast and furious movies good at The moment no, no, what's good? I don't know We just don't know not the electric state apparently. Oh Because I see to put the boot in I haven't seen it and I haven't seen any of their other because I haven't seen it and I haven't seen any of their other post Avengers movies. Not even the great man. Not even the great man. Not even Tom Holland.

Not even Tom Holland. Look in his look right up there. Looking at his butt. Here's some reviews. Pete Bradshaw says there's no soul, no originality, just a great big multicolored wedge of digital content. Oh, what is this movie about? Sort of, would you say? Or what's it based on?

Because you're familiar with the- Well, it's based on, so there's an artist named Simon Stalinhagen who does, he does art of like idyllic kind of rural landscapes with weird high tech stuff in them. Yes. And he was inspired by? Another thing. Star Wars guy. Oh, Rick McCullum.

Nope, the other guy. What's his name? He does, he did all the concept Nope, the other guy. What's his name? He did all the concept art. What the hell's his name? He basically invented this Star Wars aesthetic. We've mentioned him hundreds of times over the course of this podcast, but our minds have failed us.

Ralph McQuarrie. Ralph McQuarrie, yeah. So Simon Stalinhag started out doing rural landscapes because he was like, well, if you're trying to be an artist, that's what you do. And then he encountered the works of that guy. Rick McCullum. No.

I've lost the name again. Chris McQuarrie. Chris McQuarrie. And he went, what if I combine the two? And then he made a bunch of books. Yeah. Things from the flood, Tales from the Loot. Some were adapted.

And they sort of, the books sort of tell, the first two sort of tell a story. He's 41. There you go What well, that's not true. Is it it might be but they sort of so tales from the loop It doesn't it doesn't have a story you get these on Amazon by the way there Yeah other places, but they you know, you get them anywhere but They sort of tell a story the idea behind tales from the loop. It's like it's a world in which somebody's start like opened a like a loop, yeah loop, but like a particle accelerator then a bunch of weird stuff came through Yeah, and so that's you sort of explore that world. Did you watch that series? I watched some of it and it's good It's got you know, it's got a good cast Rebecca Black

Is it not Rebecca Black? Rebecca Hall and Rebecca Black. Rebecca Black from the episode called Friday Friday Gotta get down on Friday. But in another universe. Yeah. But the Electric State has a that book has a plot. Yeah. So it's set in an alternate technologically ravaged 1990s. It follows a teenage girl and her robot on a journey to the west coast of the United States in search of her long lost brother.

So Chris Pratt's there. Chris Pratt is there. And so is Millie Bobby Brown. Yeah. Has Millie Bobby Brown. Yep. Has Millie Bobby Brown done anything that is not Netflix? Yeah. What is it? Damsel.

That was Netflix. Okay. And Ola Holmes. That's Netflix. Netflix. That's Netflix. And Ola Holmes too. It's also Netflix.

Stranger Things. That's definitely 100%, 1 billion percent Netflix. She married Jon Bon Jovi's son. Okay, that's not Netflix. What about this? Some of the Godzilla slash Kong movies. Oh yeah, never mind. Definitely 100%, 1 billion percent Netflix. She married John Bon Jovi's son. Okay, that's not Netflix. What about this? Some of the Godzilla slash Kong movies. Oh yeah, never mind.

I got you, didn't I? You got me, you absolutely got me. But those are on Netflix sometimes. That's right. I like how she came out this week and went, people said weird stuff about me growing up and it was crock. Yeah. Good.

Yeah. Not good, you know what I mean. Yeah. Don't do that. There you go. Born in Spain. Yeah. Yeah, not good that you know what I mean. Yeah, that's yeah. Yeah, don't do that Yeah, born in Spain Wow No, she was in my carries magical Christmas special from 2020. There you go That aired on Apple TV Escaping that F that grip of Netflix. But what I was gonna say is

The Electric State show. I mean it might be good, might be fun, but it does look a lot like, you've got my reviews that call it slop, don't you? But it does look a little bit like Borderlands. It's kind of like Borderlands Minecraft, the whole, you know, you get a bunch of famous people and they just go on a trip and they go, whoa, I'm reacting to things. Is this real? Is that a big robot? Yeah.

Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. Yeah. This one's from Giovanni. In a world of robots, that shouldn't surprise me a big robot? Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. Yeah. This one's from Giovanni. You're in a world of robots. That shouldn't surprise you. I know.

Yeah. You should be like another robot. Yawn. Giovanni Lago says, the electric state is another display of how the Russo brothers have regressed as a directing team into something that, at this point, only makes films not even worth subjecting yourself to. Wow. Listen to this cast list.

Millie Bobby Brown, of course. Chris Pratt. Kei-hui Kwan. Jason Alexander. Woody Harrelson, Anthony Mackie. Oh wait, I thought you said Woody Allen. Woody Allen is not in it. No.

Good. Anthony Mackie, Brian Cox, Jenny Slate, Jenny Electric Slate. Wow. Giancarlo Esposito and Stanley Tucci are all in this. Is Giancarlo Esposito the bad guy? I bet he is. Yeah. And he's all, I'm in a big robot now.

I think somebody should give him a role where he gets to be a cool dude Wow, cuz I think he wants cuz he said I think being a bad guy is cool Yeah, that's true. Actually, you think he's a cool dude in real life And I think he wants to do a role where he's kind of wacky. I think you're a cool dude in real life What do you think of that? Thanks, man? Yeah, and I mean that too. Thanks. He's a fine Okay, his character's name is Colonel Marshall Bradbury. Okay, the bad guy. Okay I think you should find your brother. I think you should do war. I don't want an electric state His character's name is Colonel Marshall Bradbury. Okay. He's the bad guy. Okay, Colonel Marshall. I don't think you should find your brother, I think you should do war.

I don't want an electric state, I want an electric Nazi party. That's right. That's right. No thank you. But it's powered by petrol and fossil fuels, which is rude of me. Last review David Alrich says, truth be told there isn't a single laugh or even a knowing smile to be found in this relentlessly stale ordeal, which does for sci-fi adventure comedies what the Grey Man did for action thrillers.

Ouch. Absolutely nothing. I think if you're referencing a previous movie of a director to sledge that director or those directors, you're really putting the boot in there. Yeah. That's great. This is maybe worse than your last bad movie that is famously bad. Well, do you also hate on this, James, because Woody Harrelson is in fact voicing Mr. Peanut? No, I'm okay with that.

Okay, that's fine. Even though I know he's a weird cook. Yeah, he seems to be a cook. And he does leave some weird stuff. And he go on even on Rogan to do some weird food stuff. I'm not going to subject myself to any of that. But also, A Real Pain. Who's that guy?

Oh, Keirid Culkin. No, the other guy. Jesse Eisenberg. Jesse Eisenberg went on Conan's podcast and he was like, he loves Woody Harrison. He's a singular being. He's such an odd guy, you know, kind of thing. There you go. I don't think anybody's taking any scientific advice from Woody Harrison.

No, absolutely not. I'd imagine so. Even though his brother is Matthew McConaughey probably. That's true. Or not. And his dad's a hitman? His dad's a hitman. That part is true. All right, should we move it along? Let's move it along.

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That's, yeah, I guess. Because it's Bong. And a joint. God, you're good. Spike Lee joint? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good. I only just made those connections now. Did you?

Yep. The connection that wasn't there. Correct, yes. Very good. It's a sci-fi, et cetera, et cetera. We'll get to that. That's your good. It's a sci-fi, etc. etc. We'll get to that. That's your job. Sci-fi, etc. Sure.

On a budget of apparently $180 million plus then another $10 million for reshoots. Okay. Deadline also reporting that there's probably about $80 million in promotion. Okay. They also say that's hard to say under David Zazlav, Nickling and Dimey, all things over at Warner Brothers. Nicky 17 Funko Pops? Potentially. Yeah, the box office opening in the US alone is going to be 18 million.

This is struggling, at least initially. And it might be too weird to... Too weird and not... Really? For some people, I would say. So yeah, it's not like, you know... I mean... Too weird and not... Really? For some people I would say so, yeah. It's not like, you know. I mean...

It's not the Martian. Okay, sure. Yeah. Okay, that had like traditional NASA stuff, I guess. People love that. Is it just because it's not a franchise? I mean, so it's based on the novel Mickey Seven by Edward Ashton. You've read that.

I've read it. You're a big fan of that? Yeah, I like it. It's very different than that. Not very different. Like the core concepts are the same But this is a much he's it's a much wackier. He's more of a crooked little bloke. I'm getting that sense. Yeah. Yeah, right Yeah, maybe it's just because it's not I mean, it's a recognized recognizable names. How's about this though? I think I like this more than you. Correct. Would you recommend this to like your parents? No. Yeah.

No. There you go. My parents recently, they really liked A Complete Unknown. And my dad said The Substance was the worst movie he's ever seen. So he's right. From his perspective. Yeah, I don't think it's the worst movie. I don't think that either.

And he's probably seen a worse movie than that. Probably. I don't know. You'd have to give me a list. Sorry. What do you think the story was? What do you think the story was? All right. So it's set in the future. Yep.

Not as far as 2085 or something. 2054, I think. That's what? It's quite, quite. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's the timestamp in the movie said like in the 2050s. That explains why all of the politics are exactly the same. Yeah, so it's the near future.

The world is collapsing for the same reasons the world is collapsing now, if you can imagine it. Yep. And Robert Pattinson plays Mickey, a real wet noodle of a man. And he's in a spot of trouble because he and his friend Timo played by Stephen Young They owe some money to a bunch of bad people but fortunately They're there

There are colony ships that are leaving the earth to set up new civilizations on other planets and they're like we're gonna get on one Other ships we're gonna get out of here. Yeah out of trouble But because Mickey doesn't really have any of the skills that they need on one of these ships to start a new civilization, the only way he can get on one is if he signs up as the expendable on the ship. And how that works is there's one on the ship, they scan your body and your brain, and then the expendable then does all the dangerous, the most dangerous, the least prestigious missions, they have tests performed on them. And when they invariably die by radiation or

being told to breathe in poisonous spores, or getting their hand chopped off or whatever it is, or being shredded somehow, they just destroy, they dispose of the body. And then they've got a machine that can just print off another identicalical copy of you with up with the memories they saved And quite I would say quite late in the movie though. It's in the trailer So I don't think this is a spoiler by the time we've got to the start of the movie by the time We've made it to the start of the movie Mickey The ship has landed on the planet of niffle helm. He's going through like a really horrific winter Mickey is, he's trapped, he falls into like a,

like a seemingly inescapable crevasse. And then he's left to die by his friend, his best friend. And then he muddles his way out of it, and he makes it back to the ship without anybody seeing him really, and gets back to his quarters only to reveal that, only to realize rather that they've just assumed he died due to his general ineptitude and then just printed off another one of him, Mickey 18. Which is illegal.

It's illegal. Yeah. Because he's died 16 times. So yeah, Mickey 17. In the book, it's seven, it's Mickey seven. There's also an interesting thing and they sort of touch on it in the movie. There's a guy, he's like a billionaire megalomaniac who takes over an entire planet with himself. Right.

All of copies. Yeah, so that's the reason why they- Oh yeah, so in this movie, for reasons that we'll explain extensively, he's not allowed to be more than one copy of a person. And so this is a situation that cannot stand. He's also got, he's found himself a girlfriend in the form of the beautiful and unhinged. What's her name? She's in her real name is Naomi Aki, but the character, the character's name is Nasha. Yeah.

She was recently in Blink twice. That's right. Yeah. Never blink. That's a movie. Yeah. Yeah. And so, look, I would say largely this is a movie about how work sucks And if you are the lowest rung of the ladder you get all the worst jobs and you get the the least compensation And nobody respects you. Yeah, it's also Red dwarf it is absolutely red. The aesthetic is red dwarf The the ships have that kind of block the bulky

Brick like brutalist kind of aesthetic look to it. You know, the ship is full of odd weirdos. And this plot, I feel, was covered in Red Dwarf probably a dozen times. There's the episode, this is the Red Dwarf episode by the way, there's the episode where there's two rimmers, there's the episode where they made the really evil versions of themselves and the really good versions of themselves. Yeah. There's the version where they made the girl versions of themselves.

Yes. There's the versions where they made the future versions of themselves. It keeps going. There's the ones where they have the virtual reality alternate personas. Oh, yeah. Et cetera. Ace Rimmer. Ace Rimmer, certainly.

Yes. So like, yeah. So when you said earlier, like this is a lot, this is too weird for a lot of people. I think it's probably not too weird for people who are like, existing in the sci-fi realm. If you're a sci-fi fan, I think that's, it's plenty weird enough for you. I just meant for general audiences.

Oh yeah, generally, yeah. I think it's, there's not really any momentum behind this. Like it's reviewed really well. And I quite liked it. I think it's probably better than Okja, but I don't think it's as good as Snowpiercer. See I see I didn't say Okja. So I've seen of Bong Ju Ho's Sort of biggest stuff. I've seen parasite obviously. I thought probably his best the one he won the Oscar for that's the least Kind of weird sci-fi. It's the weird Yeah, it's it is you know a drama with a couple of twists and turns

I haven't seen after which was the prize pig movie. Yes Netflix movie only prize pig movie I've seen is the movie pig with Nicholas Cage. We haven't seen babe. I have seen babe Okay, so you've seen a few that I've seen a few price big movies Yeah, in a way now I'm the prize pig because I'm so greedy for prize pig movies. Yum. Yum. Yum. Yum I I've heard octa got mixed reviews. It's okay. I mean, it's him. I think it's good, right? It's interesting because if you've seen snow piercer, yes And the host and the host of course, yeah, and there's a monster over here I think if his I haven't seen um, I think it was like I think similar to snow piercer, though

It's much wacky than snow piercer there is this like obsession with like food and class struggles and like grossness and and Yeah, isn't delicacies. Yeah, so so so to sort of round out the cast, we've got Mark Ruffalo, who's doing a character who's not identical to his character in Poor Things, but certainly not a million miles away from it. He's sort of like a cad and a bounder. He's like a failed political candidate on Earth, who's decided that the way to get the glory he needs is to head one of these missions to another planet. He's got his own civilization. Yeah, and he's kind of, you know, he's a businessman and it's sort of cult-like.

He's got the charisma, he's got that level of charisma that would totally convince you that he's the best if you're stupid. Yeah. Like he's got, and if anything- Oh Mason, no, no,, and if anything, I was going to say if it reminds you of anybody currently in the political, that's exactly what this is. The first thing he does is that- He's got the big veneered teeth. He does that little Donald Trump dance. He does the Donald Trump dance.

There's a number of like line deliveries which is just like, oh he's very clearly, he's not disguising any of this. And yeah, and he's- Do you think it's too much? No. I mean, I, you know, it's, you know, I think Tony Collette's great. Well, Tony, we'll see. That's the thing as well.

So Tony Collette plays his wife and she's doing that role that I think she can do in a sleep at this point, which is the kind of like sort of self-obsessed upper class twit who's going to have a meltdown. You know, she's doing that. And like you said, her, the unique selling point for this character is that she is obsessed with sources. She thinks source is the hallmark of a true civilization. And so there's like an element of the plot in this where she's like, the wheels have to keep rolling in order for me to get the source that I want. Yeah. Yes. Steven Yeun is Mickey's best friend. Speaking of, we should talk about Invincible next week as well. You up to date? Nope. One more episode. Okay, I got to watch a bunch of

episodes. Very good, Mason. Animations better? I think it is. Depending on the episode. Yeah, mostly better. Yeah. The last one was the invincible one. There's going to be something even bigger this week. Wow. Yeah, go on. Sorry. Yeah. Like you said, I think the aesthetic is good. Yeah. It's not, you know, it's red dwarf. Like, like oppressive and 100% is red dwarf. Yeah said, I think the aesthetic is good. Yeah. It's not, you know, it's Red Dwarf. It's quite like oppressive and... 100% it's Red Dwarf. And I think like thematically, even though the idea of this is kind of a retread, it's not even like the idea of guy meets a version of himself who's slightly better or slightly worse like this Mickey 18 is sort of more aggressive and assertive.

Yeah, because he had a chord kicked out. Oh, that's right. Or maybe they're just... They all seem to be slightly different. Yeah. We don't really see that. No. I guess you're going to, when you're replicating somebody, it wouldn't take much to have them

be slightly off from the previous one. What I would say about this movie is that I thought it was okay. See, I liked it a lot more than you, I think. Yeah. I don't, again, I don't think it's as good as Parasite or Snowpiercer, but I liked it a lot more than you I think yeah, yeah, I don't again I don't think it's as good as Parasite or snowpiercer But I think there's it's I think it's quite like ludicrous in a way that I yeah enjoyed I really you know Robert Pattinson's amazing in this and he's back in the creep zone. That's where he belongs I think he does belong in the creeps. I'm absolutely right

I'm hoping in the Batman to he becomes even creepier like he's kind of getting in the creeps I he's got a like how's he gonna intimidate the criminals of Gotham? creepier. Like he's kind of, you know. Get him in the creep zone. He's got to be like, how's he gonna intimidate the criminals of Gotham? He's get in the creep zone. Yeah. It'd be weird. He's in that Jake Gyllenhaal creep zone era. But I thought this movie, I think the premise, and again, even before we talked about this,

I did have that thought about Red Dwarf, and so many other sci-fi movies and TV shows that have probably done this concept sort of in a way more stripped down way, in a more efficient way that says about the same amount of things. I thought this movie was interesting because when Bong Ju Ho won the Oscar for Snowpiercer,

he talked about, I think this is the speech where he talked about how foreign language films, the only barrier to Western audiences watching them is kind of like the small line of text. And once you get over that, it's a fun little thing, but it's also kind of a dig about how Western audiences don't want to really want to make that leap of doing a kind of thing. This movie kind of felt to me like someone in his camp was like, the audience you're pitching this for is kind of dumb, and you need to really spell out everything that is happening.

Okay, yeah. Multiple times over and over and over again, like in the dialogue, and then we see it and then somebody says, also what you're saying is this, and then Mickey's voiceover says, and then when they, also what you're saying is this. And then Mickey's voiceover says, and then when they did it, I knew they'd done it kind of thing. And it's just this.

Oh, it's definitely not as like Parasite. Parasite is so precise and lean. You know everything a character is thinking because they're in the car and they narrow their eyes and you're like, they're in the creep zone. Exactly. But this it was just, I felt it was relentless. I felt like, do you think it's because it's an, is an English language film and he, that's how this is how he,

well, that's not really how he makes his English language films. I think Snowpiercer was a lot, that was a lot more precise as well. And I just, I think Oxger's, this is more like Oxger than, yeah. If you saw that, there's definitely similar, like it's corporations and creature like, like I think it was I felt like the third act of this was so excruciatingly long. Like it's just there was so much happening with with buttons and bombs and nerve gas and aliens and not to not to spoil any of this, because it would be meaningless unless you've seen it. And all this and radio frequencies and printers

and little drug capsules and all this sort of stuff. And it's like, you don't, and that- Did it felt to you like that all that stuff got introduced in a rush as opposed to like being part of the universe? No, I don't think it was a rush. I think if anything, it was like, you got to give me

some of that drug. Oh, you mean the drug that does the thing? Yeah, and I want the full uncut version of the drug. Well, if I gave you the full uncut version of the drug, then something blah blah blah, this would happen. Well, you should give it to me anyway. Like it really, did you not feel that? No, I mean, I think I was just like, this is what it is. It's very on the nose. It's kind of like that Don't Look Up movie. Oh, I didn't say that. It's very obvious. Right, OK.

I was going to say it's an ally. It's not even like a parallel. It's just doing the class struggle with just a group of people on a spaceship. Yeah, so I kind of just rolled with that aspect of it, like just the lunacy of it. Yeah, I guess so. Just the very on the surface.

I get there's no, there's no subtlety in any of this. And I guess the, like it's loud and larger plot is that I guess that the people in in command don't really know what they're doing. But they've gotten their way by being the biggest and the loudest and having the fakest teeth. Yeah, I guess Or being the wife of the person with the biggest fakest. Yeah. Yeah, that was okay. I didn't think it was awful Yeah, certainly, but I think you seem disappointed. I think that the premise I don't know I I maybe I wanted a smaller movie to this just a smaller you know the exploration of it's like moon or it's like, that's a smaller movie, which is two guys that are the same guy. Two moon guys. Two moon guys.

Yeah. I don't know. But I guess if that's been done multiple times, we've got it in that, we got it in dual, we got it in the double, you know, etc, etc. I guess maybe this is the time. That Paul Rudd clone Netflix show. Multiplicity as well. Multiplicity as well as well. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, you're not wrong. I don't disagree. Okay. I think yeah

I think there are some funny moments in it as well. Like this. I think there's a moment where he has dinner with Mark Ruffalo. I think that's a good sequence Yeah, there's also an element of Starship Troopers to it in terms of the aliens. Oh, yeah Sure, sure. Sure, you know, you kind of you know, they're talking about how these are the aliens and they're trying to destroy us and it's like Well, this is their planet. Mm-hmm landed here and we know that because at one point somebody says we're the aliens Yeah, and we're on their plot. We've gone to their planet. We're on their planet You are right we're harassing them, but actually they're just did I we know like I know You know, yeah, but the people who won't see this movie don't know

Are you telling me that if I push this button this thing like yes it will but isn't there some interference? Well, yes, but this is a different frequency. So it will work when you push the button. Okay, I don't I it really felt look it kind of this movie kind of felt like if Bong Joon-ho got a an MCU guy in to do some script punch-up and they went You got to tell everybody everything over and over again. Otherwise, they're not gonna get it Maybe but I don't think that's even true of the MCU. I think they probably got a Sony guy They got a Sony Marvel guy and he went well You got to tell because somebody will be wondering how they got the button to activate when the frequencies are blocked by the

Radiation and the winner whatever so we'll tell them it's a different frequency on the whatever. Yeah, you know, this is really I'm just looking at Parasite. It was made for $11 million. Made $258 million. So yeah, and that's a good movie. I agree. I think I'm gonna say still best movie. I agree. I liked it. Again, I again, I think he has better movies. But yeah, but that doesn't it's sort of a fun fast but again if a if a British no budget TV series from the early the mid 80s I guess has

covered most of this you know on a budget of two dollars yeah I mean nobody saw that show my sense true except all the people who listen to this I said all the people who watch it over and over and over again yeah you know I think you also might have you might have dampened my enthusiasm for this movie. That being said, I wasn't going to recommend this to people. Oh no, really? No, no, I mean like people in the real world. In the real world, I get it.

I don't think they would. Okay. I think it's too weird and gross. It is kind of gross, isn't it? Yeah. But I mean, gross is fun. No, I know. I mean, I'm fine with it. Yeah. I

don't recommend anything to anybody. It's true. Yeah. What movies are good? The Terminal List. You've seen The Terminal List on Amazon Prime? You've seen Terminator 2. It's pretty good. Oh, that's a good one. It is. Yeah. You listen to Metallica? Yes, I've listened to Metallica. Are we going to do, I also say best movie ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With reservations, but you know. Yeah. Maybe I'll give it another spin in a couple years. I'm not going to do, I also say best movie ever. With reservations, but you know. Yeah. Maybe I'll give it another spin in a couple of years. I'm not going to say with reservations, I'm just going to say best movie ever. Robert Pattinson is out in the world.

And there's two of him. All that stuff is flawless when there's two of him, my god. That is true actually. It is Save Us isn't it? Yeah. Warner Brothers have done it again with two people on screen, the other being Ezra Miller. Do I have anything other, do I have anything to say? You can do some spoilers.

I'm just going to say do I have anything to say about the support. I think supporting cast uniformly good. Yep, I agree. Yeah, alright, it's big time spoiler time. What are we going to say in spoilers though? The creatures are good. Yeah, so the ship lands in this place called Niflhelm. It's got these kind of...

What are they like? What sort of creatures? They're like... Like, butchie boys kind of what are they like? What sort of creatures? They're like butchie boys kind of things. Okay. Yeah, I'm a later armadillo Yes, like I'm a dillow II kind of yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they got a lot of legs and a lot and I got a big mouth and yeah, but You know Starship Troopers style we were we're to assume them monstrous bug creatures They just want to eat you but it's revealed the course that Mickey escaped his Mickey 17 escaped his his icy crevasse predicament because the the the monsters rescued

him he thought they were going to drag him off somewhere to eat him but actually they they drag him out of this place and they put him back on on the surface of the planet so he can make it back actually they want peace yeah and they're just sort of curious about humanity. But the top brass, Mark Ruffalo's character, he wants to exterminate them all with a big nerve gas or chop them up for source for his wife. Good options. But of course, then what then what happens? Michael 18 blows him up. Yes, that's true.

Yeah. Because they learn of the existence of both the Mickeys and they're like, okay, we'll send you out into the snowy wilderness with bombs attached to you to get some monster tails. But they've also captured one of the little creatures. Jurassic Park 2. And all the monster aliens are psychic, so they know they've captured the thing. And then so they all surround the ship. And then Mickey thinks that if they kill the little one, the aliens are going to respond with a big psychic wave to kill them all.

So he goes out of the snow to talk to them. And they have a translating device, which works because you'll hear the clicks and then they talk into it. You're talking to it. That's all right. Simply talk into it. Yeah. And they have a translating device, which works because you'll hear the clicks and then they talk into it. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It blows them up or whatever. Oh, and they bought the cloning machine because they're like clones are not cool. Actually, Mickey 17. You can be regular Mickey from now on. There's also a very extended set. Not very extended. Is the dream sequence. There is a dream sequence. Well, first of all, there's quite a long aside that explains why multiples are illegal. I really liked that, the idea of this technology

in the world and how they got to this point. Right, so the idea being that one of the designers of the technology used it to become a serial killer. He made multiple copies of himself, and then he could be seen in a location while murdering other people. I do think it's an interesting idea. Probably could have been cut for the movie. No, I like that. I'm glad they kept that in.

But then at the end of the movie, they also wrap up everybody's subsequent story lines in a way that I'm like, this is fine. Like the Timo gets the guy that he owes money to has sent an agent onto the ship to kill him and then Timo gets one over on that guy and then Mickey has a dream sequence where... Tony Colette printing Mark Ruffalo. ...printing Mark Ruffalo again even though he got blown up. Great. What's her name? His girlfriend becomes... What's the character's name? I can't remember. Nasher. Becomes the president or whatever.

And so on, etc. And so on, etc. Yeah. Oh, and there was like a rebel uprising, which you don't really get a sense of until the end that there was a rebel uprising on the ship to get rid of Mark Ruffalo. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And stand up comedian Tim Key is the pigeon man. Well, yeah, did you man?

I think that so there is a sequel to this called Anti-Matter Blues. Okay. We'll never say that. Absolutely not, no. Maybe it's a TV series. Yeah, probably not. Probably an Amazon TV series. With new people, et cetera.

Maybe new people, yeah. I think, no, this is the end of this. Have you also read that? No, I haven't. Okay, right. Will you read it? Eh, okay, great. I think I got enough out of Mickey Seven in this movie.

Wow. Maybe I'll give it a look, say. Okay. Got some reviews here from people. And I feel like they're more on your side. This one Fidel Ray's. You know Fidel. I'm the man of the people. Yeah. Fidel does a lot of good stuff.

Including editing and the great mates group. He said, I enjoyed it. The movie didn't blow me away as I'd hoped. But I had a fun time with it. The tone reminded me a bit of Starship Troopers. There you go. Which is never a bad thing. Richard Grimes says, I really liked it. The movie didn't blow me away as I'd hoped, but I had a fun time with it. The tone reminded me a bit of Starship Troopers. There you go, which is never a bad thing. Richard Grimes says, I really liked it. I wanted to love it, but I didn't quite get there. William Thode says, it was an enjoyable movie, but nothing spectacular. This is nowhere near as good as Parasite. Agreed. Still, Mark Ruffalo appeared to be doing a Trump impersonation. Mark Ruffalo appeared to be doing a Trump impersonation part of the time. Yes. Still

best movie ever. And Josh hockey says fucking sick loved it. Or fucking sick. Wow. Loved it. So there you go. Wow. Movies. Is this one of these movies where if you say I loved it, people and give you reasons people go, I can see that. But if you say I didn't like it and give you reasons people like I also can. Yeah, I feel like that. Because all those things you're saying I'm like, that is true. They did explain that wrist bomb setting off radio frequency thing Yeah, a lot of times so many times if I press these two buttons Yeah, yeah good stuff. All right, should we move it along? Let's move it along. But what are we gonna even do?

We're gonna do a segment that we call what we read and what we're gonna read and everybody else has to call that too I think so too. Okay. I'm doing the thing. What are we reading today? You're right. Oh yeah. Mason just said something ludicrous. I'm not even gonna repeat it. But what do you wanna talk out about? What do you think?

I think we should talk out. It's time to talk some stuff out, all right? Something to hash some stuff out on the podcast. Something I've been keeping to myself, but I can't keep it anymore. So we're gonna talk it out. The first two episodes of Daredevil Born Again. Happy to do it.

We're gonna talk it out. How did you feel about it? I generally thought it was pretty good. I generally also think it's pretty good. How do you think it compares to the previous Daredevil iterations? I think. Do you think it's brisker?

It is brisker and I think one of the things that people have talked about in the Endless Discourse when we talk about this sort of stuff is that in the previous seasons, you could have a really compelling episode where people just sit in a coffee shop and talk or whatever and even though nobody's punching anybody else in the head. What's the nature of being a vigilante? Exactly. It's cool. My body hurts. Yeah, but it's cool. And people like for this less so. I don't know. I was quite compelled.

The thing about this, I think is, and I think people are probably also going to compare it to the first episode of the first season just to see how that... I think it is a little more Disney-fied. It seems crisper and cleaner. There's an opening fight sequence where you see more Daredevil kind of flipping about, which I've always wanted to see. But there was like a fog across a lot of it. Well I mean somebody does set off a smoke bomb. Yeah I know even prior to that when he's doing some rooftop stuff. And there is a certain amount of fog in the form of Foggy Nelson. True. I do. I do. There's a fight that he has at the end of the second episode as Matt

Murdoch, which I think is a much better fight. And it's more. Yeah, right. There's a lot of cuts as well. I think if people are critiquing this, I bet they're like, there's so many cuts like. But again, not every movie or TV series has the time or the... Not every movie. I've seen people go, okay, we'll compare it to this sequence in this TV show. And I'm like, well, all those people in that sequence are professional martial artists. And Charlie Cox, a good actor. He does a lot of it.

But yeah, but he's not, you know, there's going to be the need to see cuts and things like that. And I think a lot of people also think of the previous seasons as like totally flawless fight sequences. Yeah. There are cuts in those also. Yeah, and there's also a lot of punches that don't really land if you really slow it down. But I think when the first couple of seasons of that came out, people weren't there to

critique and nitpick every single frame and slow it down. It was newish for television. It was newish for television. Yeah, yeah. And they were also comparing it to the previous iteration, which was the Ben Affleck Daredevil. Which is really good. Which is really good.

And so they were like, here's more of the same really good. But I think now they're like, we've got to slow this down to the frame by frame and see what's not working about this and again I think there are a lot of cuts in some of this I think the the the one or the seeming one in the first episode This is I guess this is still non spoils. We'll talk some spoilers in it Yeah, a second, but I'm a probably do a whole episode in the in the first episode It there's a there's a a rematch between daredevil and bullseye. Why does he need his goddamn Bullseye costume?

That's a great question. He was never really in a Bullseye. Oh, you just want the Bullseye on his head. That would be good. I don't know. They're also, they're like, it is based on a Bullseye costume, but it's not based on the classic one. It's the ski mask, not the half mask. But I thought that sequence was really good.

It's just them sort of tumbling through a bar. Yeah, just, just Bullseye. And he's taking, he's, he's clearly there to kill Daredevil, but he's also like, well, I'm here. I'm going to throw some knives into the Mirandos. That would be fun for me. Yeah. Like he's the very definition of just a, just a psychopath. There's a moment where they have an interaction on the roof and a bullseye has just killed a bunch of people and he's tapping Daredevil on the shoulder like, haven't we had fun here? Like, we're really having a nice time. That's actually great.

Somebody on Twitter, I don't have the name here, but they were like, bullseye should show up as a random antagonist in other MCU stuff to just cause chaos. Because he's just a guy who's good at throwing things. And I think so many characters in these movies would woefully underestimate him. He could take down most of the Avengers with like the contents of a pencil case. And I think that would be fun. Just to have the Avengers barely escape with their lives and be like, Jesus. Who was that?

He was that guy in a regular ski mask. Yeah exactly. They even have a cool costume to identify him. Overall I thought it was really strong. Yeah and what I would say, there is like quite early on you get the sense that you can sort of see where the retooling took place. Yeah. Because obviously the original plan-

I have to do spoilers to kind of get into that. where the retooling took place. Yeah. Because obviously the original plan- I have to do spoilers to kind of get into it. Yeah. But for the real, the original plan clearly was to have a new cast of characters. So we've got that new lawyer lady he works with and then he's got a new investigator that's on his team. Yes. Ben Urich's- Daughter.

Daughter who died in the original series. Yeah. Ben Urich's daughter who died in the original series. And at a certain point you're like, oh, hopefully there's gonna be more of the previous cast in subsequent episodes. I think they were a little lacking in. Yeah, and they've clearly gone back and put some of that in.

I think so, should we do some spoilers? I'm saying, look, I liked it a lot so far. I'm gonna say the series ever so far. I'm interested to see how it shakes out I think as a full season and I think this will probably play out one and two were filmed together So all right, we're gonna be getting another season Yeah, I think yeah, we're gonna see this over the narrative will be spaced out a bit But yeah, do you think people should wait for the end?

I think it's I think there's enough going on in each episode where they're kind of contained enough and drive the narrative forward and want you to come back. Alright, so I'm gonna say best series ever for the moment. Charlie Cox is incredible. He's great. He's amazing. Yeah, I mean, he's the he's the linchpin of the series and he's continuing to do some good work in this.

Okay, so now it's big time spoiler time. Before we get to the big spoiler, my number one spoiler, something that I did enjoy is that in this series, so at this point, Matt Murdock is defending the guy's name. I cannot remember, but he's the White Tiger. In this season, this is more MCU-ified in the sense that this is a show where costume vigilantes are being sort of normalized in this.

Whereas in the first, the original Netflix Daredevil, it sort of felt like everybody's like why are these people wearing ski masks and running around fighting each other? That's insane. And clearly by this point, it's like, well, it still is insane. But everybody knows about it and we're just sort of living with it and Michael Gandolfini's here I got a fanny's. Yeah, but I was gonna say so so Matt Murdock is defending a guy who's who's he broke up a fight on a subway Station platform. Yep. And as a result somebody got killed by they got hit by a train, but it turned out that was a cop Who was presumably corrupt and was hassling some guy. I don't know.

But so this guy is now facing, you know, probably the death penalty or whatever. But then it's revealed he was secret. Matt Murdock discovers that he was secretly, or his investigator discovers he was secretly the vigilante, the white tiger. And so part of Matt Murdock's defenses, because they have to take this to the judge, they're like, he wasn't even wearing his magic amulet when he was fighting these cops. So this shouldn't be entered into evidence. But the fact that nobody got, everybody in that room goes-

Good point. Good point, actually. He wasn't wearing his magic amulet. Nobody's like, magic amulet. What are you talking about? That's insane, you should be recused or whatever. They're like, I guess everybody has a magic amulet now. I guess that's fine.

I guess this is fast and furious rules. Everybody's got a magic amulet that gives them magic that's fine. I guess this is Fast and Furious rules. Everybody's got a magic amulet that gives them magic powers. They can leak from car to car. I think all the legal stuff is good as well. I think that's often an element of a Daredevil story, is you have this compelling side story, I guess? Often it's just the main story.

I would pay $100 for a she-hulk appearance in this. $100? $100 human dollars. It's not going to happen. I know it's not. Because he's got another the main story. I would pay $100 for a she-elk appearance in this $100 hundred human not gonna happen I know it's not cuz he's got another love interest now He does in the in the form of new character you can character lady Michael Gandolfini. That's right I had been even need an offer as good as well. He's back in his king. Great He's going to my biggest number one spoiler. Obviously is that I didn't think this was gonna happen I thought they were gonna go back to retcon this. Yeah, so so I didn't think this was gonna happen. I thought they were gonna go back to retcon this. Yeah, so so

It's the the show first episode starts out with the three amigos hanging out in a bar having a great time Yep, and then then Karen and foggy might take their leave outside the front and then foggy is shot By debt by a bullseye. Yep, eight and a half minutes into the show regular gun and then he's dead like For the rest of it. Yeah, he's dead in like 15 minutes. I think he is coming back. I mean definitely flashback. Yep foggy's been dead before I guess Yeah, but he's a regular guy. Yeah, he got shot really well what I would say first first of all, I enjoyed the sequence where Dead elves fighting bullseye and you can also hear foggy's heartbeat Yeah, over the course of the episode. And you clear. All right.

And that, that was a great ticking clock in terms of how is he going to live? You know, can daredevils stop this? You know, uh, there's also some go back and rescue them, et cetera. You know, prior to that, I think there's some stuff that they did with sound and displaying the visuals of daredevils hearing, like the moment where he's seeing he has foggy on the phone outside and you see like the black bars on the screen. That felt very 70s.

I loved that. I think it's like the Incredible Hulk era Daredevil. Yeah, I thought that was really cool. But anyway, he has died. I mean, I guess if you want to bring him back. See, how you'd have to do that because you in the comic book. Well, in the comic books, he's faked his own death. Yeah. And probably he's been killed before.

Karen Page, I think, canonically, is still dead in the in the comic book. You love the university killed in the Kevin Smith run, maybe that longer guy. Maybe. Wow. I don't know. Maybe she's back. I don't know. I don't know. We should read some of the more recent runs. The Matt Fraction run on the asking runs apparently very good. But the thing is, because he's a normal guy, I guess you could say, but also why would,

did he hire bullseye to shoot him? And I guess bullseye could miss his heart. Yeah. But then also what you have to factor in there is in the in the time we didn't see who identified his body at the morgue. Yeah. Did they, where's the body like. I mean, maybe it's a thing where he was revived.

Secretly. Maybe they took him to Tahiti. Or whatever. Yeah. And brought him back to life with electrical. You wouldn't have to make it that he did that himself. You know, it could be a hand thing or whatever. He could be a Skrull.

Could be a Skrull. Yeah. I mean, Electra came back because they put her in a blood sarcophagus., that's true. I guess yeah, but it doesn't it feels like a different If you're I think it would be okay if you left him dead. I think that would be totally What if he comes back as a cyborg? Well, you can't do that. No, you can do it. You can do it. Yeah Like now I'm the real bash brother because I've got my big robot robot arms So originally it was gonna be he's killed off screen right and it wasn't even in it, right? So it starts like that and I think that's The robot arms. So originally it was going to be he's killed off screen. Right. And he wasn't even in it.

Right. So it starts like that. And I think that's not a good way to do that. Absolutely not. Seeing it and putting that fight sequence in that's parallel to it is great. That's Chef's Kiss, James. It is Chef's Kiss, Mason. I think, yeah, I think they're almost certainly going to do flashbacks for the rest of the

season. To just like, I think people would turn around and say what a what a what a bait and switch. If you said no, we're re tooling this series and we're bringing back Karen and foggy and then foggy is just in the first episode and he dies. Yeah, I think it's going to be flashbacks all the way. I agree. And maybe an implication that he's not really dead or maybe definitely dead. Let's say put him in that blood sarcophagus. Or they bring back the Dragon

Bones. Yeah,. Dragon bones. Yeah. Or time travel. Yep. He's a sideboard from the future. Yep. Scrawl. Annul it. Bring back the other bash brother and have him take this place.

Yeah. Yeah. But I got surgery to look exactly like my brother and I'm just going to slide back in. Yeah. I'm going to slide straight back in here as if nothing's changed. Yeah. I guess all they do it Smallville style and he has another brother who shows up and he's like I'm Jimmy Olsen.

Yeah. But you can call me foggy Nelson You can call me Jimmy foggy Nelson. I just walked through that fog. So I guess you can call me foggy Nelson Okay, we will that's actually great for us. It is isn't that I? Dead it will kills a couple of cops. Yeah, he does crazy. He's I didn't think they would do that They know that this is why you're pretty anti-cop political. Isn't this wildly, isn't this wild that it's more political than the last Captain America movie? That shocked me genuinely. Which was the Black Captain America versus an insane populist president who turns into

a giant red monster, which is ultimately about nothing. And in this they're like, hey, you know, you hear a daredevil, well, he's going to break a cop's neck on an apartment floor. Yeah, just drop him on his head. And when he was like upset about it, it did feel like was more like, fuck, yeah, I have to, how do I get out of this? How do I dispose of these bodies? That's really how it felt. Um, yeah. And so, you know, they're, they're, they're looking ahead on this thing of like the cops in real life deciding they're the Punisher and how like the... Yeah, well one of them's got a tattoo.

Yeah, a couple of them do. I think one has a neck tattoo. Which again is like a real life thing of people thinking the Punisher is this symbol of like... Law and order. Law and order and vigilante justice. But as the creators of the Punisher have said, the point of the Punisher is that law enforcement has failed. That's why he exists. And if it was better, he wouldn't need to exist.

Yeah. Or like, you know, that if... He fucking hates cops, also. Yeah, he does, yeah. So yeah, it's really interesting that they're going this route. I don't know if they're gonna... Take it further than... Well, The Punisher is showing up, so that will be interesting, I guess, to see how they handle it. I mean, are they going to just is this just the first couple of episodes to kind of, you know,

get people talking and then they're going to swerve out of it somehow? I'm not sure. Maybe. But everybody's pretty bold. Everybody's bad, actually. Yeah. I got this comment on our Captain America Brave New World Review from Russ Pittman, who said the world's first apolitical thriller. There it is. It's exactly what it is. Yeah. Yeah. That's really interesting. Worth checking out these first two. Especially if you like the other seasons. Yeah. I think it seems as if this restructure has worked for the better and there would have to have been a lot of that would have to have been pretty good in the first place. Right. Yeah. I wouldn't even talk about the

kingpin really on the kingpin. He's the man. He's the man now. Sometimes is. He's the man. His eyes back. His eyes back. He's not wearing his big Hawaiian shirt anymore. I think so this this series would have been written originally when it was going to be a reboot. And then so subsequent to the Daredevil series, we've had him appear in Hawkeye and then appear in Echo. Yeah. And he's more comic booky. Yeah. And so he's smaller as well. In this. Yes. Yeah, I think he is. Yeah. But I. Yeah.

So we're we're. It's not it's not expressly spelled out. But what seems to have happened is during the blip, he got out of prison. Because he was sentenced to prison at the end of Daredevil Season 3. So presumably, during the blip he got out, or all the people who were going to testify against him got blipped, and they just never came back, or he just killed everybody. To Hawkeye Neckar, he is just out. He's just out, yeah. So I don't, you know.

But that also might have been in a time when it wasn't the same kingpin, just the same actor. Yeah, that's right. But again, he's a super villain. We don't really need to know. I think it's fine. He just, you know. I mean, and also, you know.

Everybody knows he murdered a bunch of people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's just the man. I've seen people go, did everybody forget what he did? Well, Donald Trump's the president again. Yeah. No, they just don, yeah. He's just the man. I've seen people go, did everybody forget what he did? Well, Donald Trump's the president again. Yeah. No, they just don't care. Yep, feels that way. You had another thing you wanted to talk about.

Oh, so okay. James, I hope- We already talked about the rookie Mason. Oh, James, stop it. Stop it. So as I've mentioned in the last couple of weeks, I finally got Apple TV+. Oh my god. I'm going nuts. I'm having a look at all the stuff. Hog wild. The absolute bounty that's available. I've made a little list of all the stuff. Have you now? I watched eight episodes of a Apple TV Plus series called Sugar. Sorry. Colin Farrell as private investigator John Sugar. Of John Sugar. There'll be a spoiler to this James. We've talked

recently about spoilers about how, are you looking at it right now? No, I'm looking at the cast of dead over on a one. So doesn't need to be open So the premise of this it's it's original. It's not a basement book or a comic book or anything like that Yeah, so the premise is Colin Farrell plays John sugar. He's a private investigator. He He comes to Los Angeles Hollywood, Hollywood. Yeah, is he American? Yes and well, uh, and he comes to Hollywood at the behest of sort of a legendary movie producer in the form of James Cromwell. Because the producer's granddaughter's gone missing.

So she's a young woman where she's gone missing a bunch of times. And she always comes back she was on some sort of bender or you know, what have you wild wild wild, wild Hollywood parties. But this time he thinks she's gone and there's trouble. So he's brought in John sugar to find, you know, to track it down and find her. And, uh, you know, there's all sorts of dark underworld of Hollywood and blah, blah, blah. And, you know, people, people want to stop, people want to stop him,

you know, for various reasons. Cause he doesn't want to get in that deep underbelly. Is he like a, is he a guy? Or is he just a... Okay, I'll give you some facts. I've written some facts down. About John Sugar. About John Sugar. What I would tell you is so he's, he's, he's very smart. He's very capable. He doesn't like guns. He can handle himself in a fight. Yeah. He's very kind and kind of generous. And he's always like, you know, I'm going to help out a homeless person I'm going to, you know, I won't take advantage of you, you know, or like, I'll give you the chance to walk away and I want to fight, you know, that kind of thing.

Yeah. He, he, he wears Savile Rose suits and in sort of Jimmy Savile. Yeah, yeah. No, Jackson. I don't think he's that kind. He's very, he's got a, got a, like in a sort of conservative look. He's very professional, like old Hollywood. Yeah. And he that kind. He's got a kind of like in a sort of conservative look. He's very professional, like old Hollywood. Yeah.

And he drives around in the modern era. See, that's the thing. When I heard about it, I'm like, oh, this is set in the 60s because he looks kind of 60s. And he drives like a, I think it's a Corvette. It's like an open top Corvette convertible. It's a beauty. Like the Entourage Boys?

Even better. Wow. Imagine that. And he likes good whiskey. He's that. He's always very cultured. Oh. And he likes good whiskey. Yeah. He's that he's always very culture. Oh, and he loves the movies. So he loves talking about movies to people.

He talks about the thing at one point, talking to a doctor. So he's like, I just see that scene in the things. Good movie. And he reads magazines about old movies. And sometimes in the show, like a couple of times an episode, when he's doing something, we see a clip from an actual old movie, usually a black and white that sort of mirrors what he's doing. Like a last action hero thing where like, right, that's out of a movie or something. Okay, so here's the, here's the, there's some kind of weird twist to this.

Here's some clues to this guy, James. Okay. So it's eight episodes. So here's some clues and I'm going to take you wilder swing is what you think this guy's deal is. Okay. And for people who are wondering, I am going to take you wilder swing is what you think this guy's deal is. Okay. And for people who are wondering, I am going to spoil this. All right.

So how far is it into the show? Do they spoil it? The end of the sixth episode. Okay. Of eight episodes. All right. Is it worth watching it? Do you think?

Well, see, here's the thing for me, that would be enough. Like a guy who loves an old school detective, film noir style, who loves old movies, and he goes to the birthplace of old movies to be in a like a film noir detective story. That's enough for me. But clearly they didn't think so. So here's the clues. Sometimes his hands shake and he gets a bit woozy. So sometimes it's while he's doing some action, but sometimes he's just walking to a house

and he's like, I'm woozy. At one point he gets cut on the arm, like at the start of the movie, at the start of the show somebody slashes his arm. It doesn't seem to bother him that much. He just pat, like he bandages it up. Yeah. But then later he has a hallucination that he's bleeding severely out of it. But then he snaps out of it and he's fine again.

Okay. He tells someone at the bar that he can't get drunk because his metabolism operates 50 times faster than everybody else. He repeatedly looks into the night sky and it really emphasizes the full moon. Is he an alien or a werewolf or something? See, I thought werewolf. I was like, oh, he's a werewolf. So the episode, so the, but here's the thing. So the episode before the big- This is before it was like you, you knew something was up. I'm like, something's gotta be up with this guy. Some like, I don't know. There's some

inkling. I don't know. Maybe somebody said, oh, you, you should watch the show. Like this would have been when it came out, maybe something you got to watch this little bit. Is he an old Hollywood monster or something? If he likes like this thing? So here's the thing, James. So in the the in the episode prior to the reveal he goes to a house out in the middle of nowhere because he thinks that's where The woman is yeah But there's three guys and they they get the drop on him and they sort of knock him to the ground and they've got All guns they're gonna shoot him. He's like you gotta leave you gotta leave You gotta walk away if you don't if you don't walk off you try and kill me something really bad is gonna happen

And they're like well We're gonna kill you anyway, and they go to shoot him And he like dodges the bullet he knocks the gun is he the writer like and then he jumps up and he He like knocks him over and he grabs the gun and then somebody stabs him in the stomach And it doesn't bother him that much and then he shoots them all in the head and and he just sort of walks out He's like boy. What a what a tough day. I'm having and I like, surely if he's a werewolf, that's when he turned into the werewolf. Right? But he doesn't, he just gets up and he like bites them all. And I'm like, all right, you could have done that earlier.

And I'm like, is he a golem? Like, you know, like one of those creatures made out of clay that's made real with, or like a Frankenstein. Is he a celluloid man come to life or something? So then, after what he goes, he has a friend and the friend takes him to this doctor and he knows him and then he gets like an intravenous drip and he gets patched up and he's fine.

And then later, oh, there's another clue about him. I forgot about this. He has trouble sleeping. And so sometimes he falls asleep, he's just sitting up on his bed. And one time he puts a syringe of something in his neck to go to sleep. But then anyway, he gets patched up.

And then he's like, what a busy day, what a busy time I've had of this. I guess I can finally relax. And he gets the injection, he puts it in his neck again. And then he turns into an alien. He just goes, like his face all morphs. And he looks like Nebula from Guardians of the Galaxy. He's like bald and he's blue and he's got like...

So he did all the prosthetics? I guess once. And then... Why? So... And then the next episode, he's just like back and he's just hanging out with his... He's just back to human again and then he just continues the rest of the... So he's an alien and he just loves old Hollywood.

Well what's the thing is that so... The reveal is that he and a group of other aliens have shown up on Earth to observe the world and he's like... And they all have like... They have to do stuff in the meantime. So everybody's gotten a different job or whatever. And he's decided to do private investigating. And the reason he's done private investigating, the reason he does private

investigating is because his sister, also an alien, she disappeared back on the, when they were in their home planet and he never found her. Yeah. And so when he got to earth, he's like, well, I should help people by investigating. And so when he got to earth, he's like, well, I should help people by investigating and all that the only the only scene of the alien planets It's Colin Farrell in the alien makeup with his sister also in the alien makeup And they've got weird robes on and they very very obviously filmed this scene

They're just looking at each other meaningfully and they've just filmed it in that point of the California desert. Yeah. Where it's just rocky and scrub. Yeah. Rocks and scrub or whatever. And they've just changed the color tint so it's purple. And there's some lights in the sky and that's it. Like you could do it in After Effects in like two minutes.

What does it, does it wrap up? Well, how it wraps up is the someone has discovered that the aliens are there. So they're all going to leave. But sugar is like, I'm going to stick around because he's discovered his sister might be on Earth. Of course. And there'll be a second season of Mr. Apparently there will be, which is crazy to me because he's doing the penguin and

he's doing other stuff. Yeah. So the show is just called sugar. It's just called sugar. That's not about the history of sugar. If you can even believe it. 81% rotten tomatoes. It's so called sugar. That's not about the history of sugar I don't believe it 81 percent rotten tomatoes. It's so well I here's the thing as well. I it says I looked at our based on early episodes. It might be yeah So it says based base. So Wikipedia said based on reviews. It's mostly positive

But then I saw one review from April of last year. Yeah, so that one review from the Guardian was like this is Bizarre and I think I quite liked it generally I was gonna say you seem like you're I think most people who reviewed it reviewed like two episodes and well, this is a pretty good Yeah, pretty good. But it's like it's so perfunctory Yeah, the reveal was so perfunctory and the clues were so vague. I Genuinely think they didn't know what the twist was going to be until they did. It sounds like they added that desert sequence.

Right at the end. Yeah, it feels like they could have done it in a day. I think it would have been more interesting if it was like an old Hollywood monster or something. Yeah, like a Frankenstein or like a- Yeah, whatever. What if they were like, this is how we bring about the creature from the Black Lagoon. Yeah.

And he's had Hollywood surgery to make himself. So how does he, he's got morphin powers? No. But he morphin powers? No. But he morphs into a man. Yeah, but I think he's just mostly always a man. Also he bleeds red. So there's not even any, it's not even like, wow, he's bleeding. That's an odd color of red.

Like it's- I mean, you'd get that immediately though, if he was blue. Yeah, but if even it was just like dark red, you'd be like, oh, that seems a bit off or something. It felt like they went, you know what, we'll do the scene where he fights the guys and he'll turn into a werewolf and then on the day they went No, we'll make up isn't ready I'll just have him fight him regular and then we'll figure out a different way to put an injection in his neck and he'll Be like it could have been it like you said it could have been a werewolf. It could have been an alien

I like that you also like a celluloid. Yeah fictional guy that would work Yeah, like he's going back to his you, his birthplace and then he's like, well, you can't beat me because I'm not real kind of thing. Yeah. That would be cool. And I guess the idea was like, he's too good of a man to be a human man. Yeah. Because he's so nice to people. I'm like, well, I guess.

Some people are nice. Some people are nice. They're not in Hollywood, baby. Yeah. Anyway, good show. Is it? I don't know. But also I'm not going to watch this now. No, I was going to say but I feel like some. I would have. I was interested

until you told me what it was about. Yeah. Oh no. Yeah. I think that's the only reason some people will watch it though. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's still reviewed pretty well as mentioned. Yeah, I don't think people watch the whole thing. Yeah. Well, another one of those Apple Plus shows that nobody's seen apparently. Because I feel like I would have known this somebody Would have spoiled it for me right already, but yeah, I know nothing about I knew nothing about this also. It's crazy I mean, I don't know when this was filmed, but it's isn't crazy. I mean Colin Farrell recorded. He filmed two shows Yeah, one of which you had extensive makeup and one time. He just did it once To be nebula. He's's good though I'd imagine yeah.

Yeah he's great at it. Again I don't think it needed this twist. They should reveal at the start of the second season that he just hallucinated. He wasn't an alien. Yeah. Hey you got beaten up by those guys and you nearly died and you thought you were an alien but actually you're just a regular man. He said something bad was going to happen.

Yeah. Right. Right. Really good. Actually genuinely genuinely quite good. But again, just that weird bit. That weird bit. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of important though, isn't it? Now that you know, as an alien, kind of like going forward from that moment. I don't know. Yeah, I think it's less interesting. It is, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I think your fictional guy idea was good. I don't have any good

ideas. That's true. Well, should we do letters? Yeah. All right. Should we pause and check the gate just in case? All right. Do the latest thing first. Okay, I'll do it. You got time? Yeah. Good to make the show as simple as this, send an email, short or with paragraphs, short paragraphs to weeklyplanetpod.gmail.com and Mason will pick out your Gmail or go to the Planet Broadcasting Great Mates group on Facebook and there's a thread every week where you can ask a question. So true. Here's a question from John. John? Question for the boys it says. That's me and you. G'day boys. G'day. There's often discussion of what comics people want to see adapted

into live action. What live action properties would you like to see fleshed out in a comic or graphic novel? Other than the rookie of course. Love the pod, keep up the good work. John from Scarsborough, Canada. I was gonna say the rookie. Yeah Well, you can't say it because he said other than that. Yeah, would you read that bearing mind you what? What are you up to in the stop watching the really watching other things? Yeah, I got caught up in I watch paradise I'm oh, yeah, that's one separate. Yeah, it's very good Um, I really enjoyed it other things daredevildevil, Invincible, I just got caught up. I've got, when I get home tonight, I'm gonna watch the newest episode of Severance and the newest episode of Reacher.

Oh, Big Reacher. Big Reacher fights Bigger Reacher. He hasn't yet, but I'm sure he will. You think? I mean, it was in the trailer, so if we would, if they cut that bit out and they went, sorry. I'm okay with it. We thought that would be irresponsible to show a big man fighting an even bigger man We'd like to see a Jack Reacher comic book set in the world of Jack Reacher. They're some TV series. Uh-huh Yeah, what else is good? What would I comic book about?

Anything that needs like an expert because a lot of stuff that I like has become a comic book Yeah, like, you know that for a long time that was pretty common like get a terminator You get a predator exactly or you get like Buffy Angel., the firefly they all got comic book expansions of the universe especially what well Maybe what's something that got cancelled that you can continue in a comic book firefly What about John what had John sugar that the adventures of John sugar and that got second season well I mean, but also I think you could expand The universe without any spoilers because we're not in that segment anymore But I think you could really expand that your as it were because you wouldn't have to do it in a desert with after effects. Good point

He's a good one. They only did one comic for the last of us Oh, really? There's a whole lot of storage you could tell with the last of us. Yeah, and there's barely any expanded media for that more RoboCop You know, I wouldn't mind they couldn't do it. But what if new RoboCop met old RoboCop? You know, I wouldn't mind. They couldn't do it. But what if new RoboCop met old RoboCop? That would be good. I mean, multiverse. They'd have to time travel. Awful. Yeah. That would be awful. Yeah. Yeah. I think they should have done if they're going to reboot RoboCop again. Maybe we talk about this. I think they should get Peter Weller back. Yeah. And he's the mayor of the city or something. I'm the mayor of the city. And

he, he's like the, they get a new RoboCop.. Yeah, and they and he like passes the torch And is he mostly look human because they've humanified I think they've they've cloned his body or something and then put it or they just put him in like a Yeah, yeah, but he's back to the end that at the end They put him in the old Robocop suit again And he maybe he died still robot under there what he does is he dies or he goes like they have a big battle at The end they team up and then either he dies or they The old Robocop unit is destroyed. They're like we can't make another one

Yeah, it's just gonna be have to new be new Robocop again and Peter well is dead Yeah, and the Ghostbusters are there and the new Robocop is played by Harrison Ford Yeah, that'd be great I think yeah, I'm trying to think of expanded what Yeah, that'd be great I think. Yeah, Vito. I'm trying to think of Expand. What got cancelled that I liked? Like a lot of the comic book properties or the blockbuster stuff, it is either came from a comic or there are comics that expand out of it.

Pacific Rim? I think they did some of that. I wouldn't even care for that. Yeah, right. Quite frankly. Oh, there you go. What about John Wick? Yeah, no. So I think well, I think that's the same thing with

RoboCop. I think that the they couldn't really do that much with it. Because they can't make too much too many changes to the lore outside of the movies. There's so much lore, but they can't be like, well, this, this faction has an alignment with this faction and this blah, blah, blah blah blah and these this faction is fighting with this faction because they would have to change it in the movies yeah okay I mean yeah you'd have to work around it what about the cape what is the cape remember the guy had a cape vaguely the cape what about Batwoman young justice the tick

what do you do these are night man tick was already a comic yeah but you can't take a back are you take it back? Okay. The version that they did. What about VR Troopers? No. What about Heroes? What did you Google to bring this?

Cancelled comic book TV shows. Oh, okay. Gen X. Generation X. No, bad. Let's see, cancelled Sci-Fi. Thank you. There we go.

The Rookie? That's not Sci-Fi. James Flays. James. The rookie, that's not so... James plays James. James. I don't know. It's all Firefly and... Yeah, it is all Firefly. ...Dollhouse and... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

...Terra Nova. Yeah. I guess they could do more Westworld, but I probably wouldn't read it. Oh, no. I probably wouldn't read it most. Yeah. Yeah. You know what?

Nothing. Yeah, nothing. That's the answer. Good question. Yeah. But what about devs? Oh, how does devs end again? They're all devs. They've all got devs?

I mean, people liked Raised by Wolves. Oh, yeah. Sure, sure, sure. I didn't finish that because they canceled it. And then I went, well, I'm not going to. Yeah. Star Trek animated something? Nope. You know, the new animated one they did?

Oh, yeah. Lower Dex. Yeah. Yeah, that could be a comic. I bet it is. It probably is. Yeah. All right. I got a comic. I bet it is. It probably is. Yeah. All right.

I got a question, but no. OK. None of those. None of those. I'll think of one as soon as we stop recording, but we will not start recording again. True. This is from Grayson Myers, who says,

what's your favorite female directed movie? Is it The Eternals? I hope it's not The Eternals. Why, it's not Kyaful. Whoa, we're going to delete. We're going to bash that to death. Yeah, you're going to fix that later. Sorry, what was the question again? Famous famous favorite female director?

Um movie directed by female Catherine Bigelow. Yeah for dark She had a great run. Let me look that up real quick point break point break. Absolutely He said also I hope it's not the Eternals for me. It's not it's not the Eternals I got it. I got a few here, but uh, okay you find Katherine Bigelow, okay being alone Okay, she did near die in a row She did near dark blue steel point break strange days, which is great if people haven't seen strange Strangers real good k-19 the widow maker that was probably the the end of that run sure but she did the hurt locker

I like it. Yeah. Um. Yeah, so there you go Dark It's the vampire movie with Bill. Oh this awful vampire world. Yeah, it's gross. Yeah man, yeah Who else do you have their chance? Okay, so some of my favorites are promising young woman by emerald For now is great. Okay, Carrie Mulligan is incredible in that movie. It's pretty grim. She also did Saltburn, right? Yes. I think this is better than Saltburn.

Right. American Psycho was directed by Mary Haran. Yeah, that one's great. That's very good. People took the wrong message. About Hakuul is? I think that's the right message. And there's also a new movie with Austin Butler is going to be. Is that true? That is happening to be is that true that is happening. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, people talk about this is like a classic, like underrated

gem for when it came out. Jennifer's Jennifer's body by Karen Kusama. Oh, yes. Mike had a sequel, which has Megan Fox. Lynn Ramsey directed We Need to Talk About Kevin, which is very upsetting and about a school shooting, but it's a very good movie. It's got Ezra Miller and what's her name? She's blonde. She's an angel in Hellblazer movie. Tilda Swinton. Yeah.

And more recently, Charlotte Wells directed After Sun, which is incredibly depressing, but for different reasons with Paul Maskell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Greta Gerwig is great. Yeah, Greta Gerwig is great. We're just going to name people now. Yeah. And I love doing that.

Yep. Alexi Alexander directed Punisher Wars. Oh, that's so true, isn't it? We'll talk about that this way. Genuinely very good. Yep. Mm-hmm. I think that's all of them.

That is every female director, I think. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Terrific. I'm going to watch that Grace Graham vampire movie. Yeah, watch it. Is it on something now? I wonder if it is. I'll find out for you, Mason. Yeah, watch it. Is it on something now? I wonder if it is.

I'll find out for you, Mason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What else you got? Oh, let's have a look. This is from Phil. Phil! Hey boys, big fan of the pod. Me too.

I was recently introduced to the newest generation of Beyblade toys by my nephew. Not by his network. No. But not by his net worth. It's on Google Play, Mason. If you don't know, these are spinning top loads. We know Phil. Phil. Phil.

They're a huge hit. Blah, blah, blah. I was captivated by the new version of the toy in a rush of nostalgia. I dug out an old Beyblade from the attic and was shocked at how crappy the original toy is compared to the current iteration. Oh yeah. A lot of discourse about long running franchises and product is that things have gotten worse over time.

But in this case, I have no hesitation in admitting that the newer version of Beyblades is far superior to what we had when I was a boy. What thing do you love and feel has gotten better over time. I've no but in this case I have no hesitation in admitting that the newer version of Beyblades is far superior to what we had when I was a boy. What thing do you love and feel has gotten better over time? Transformers. Transformers are way better. Yeah, do you mean the toys? I mean the toys. Yeah, absolutely. The meteorite, I do not care less about. I think you can get like something that like a classic Ninja Turtle figure that looks like

the cartoon that is like far superior to what you got as a kid. A lot of stuff they... You know, you look at the He-Man figures now compared to when we were kids. They're like leaps and bounds. But the old toys in general... Original Transformers probably had more metal parts from a build quality perspective that were probably better. But these ones are... I've mentioned to you I buy one a year. I buy one new one a year. What do you have this year? I got Ultra Magnus. Just this year? Yes.

You bought my son a tiny Ultra Magnus. I did buy him a tiny Ultra Magnus as a gag, but I think he liked it. He loved it. Yeah. Yeah, he ate it. Like an inch tall. Yeah. Did he eat it?

He ate it. Delicious. Yeah. But yeah, just like in terms of engineering, that's why I like them. Yes. I'm not, I'm not, you know, at the dinner table going, oh, me. Look, me Prime, I'm just a soldier. Yes you are. Yeah, I am, it's true.

But also, and I don't even really transform. You come around here for dinner and you'll be like, did you go to make a plate of spaghetti for Rodimus Prime? I'm like, no, I don't even like Rodimus Prime. Even if he was real, he wouldn't get a plate of spaghetti. He'd get a plate of oil and nuts and bolts. Not even. Wow. I wouldn't accommodate for his needs Mason

Wow, I think he's stupid. Oh But like the level of engineering. Yeah, I do think because they can like 3d design things now. Yeah, it's like You know, yeah, yeah, like so you can you know, you can make something fold out like the exact geometry of it Yeah, some of them are insane though. Like obviously they did that giant too much. They did that giant unicorn. Yeah, which cost $1,000 or whatever. And it isn't ridiculous. You know, I bought my son the Lego bumblebee for Christmas, which he assembled mostly himself. Okay, that's was a which he loved.

He's 35. He's 35. Yeah, I had him when I was six years old. Yeah. Shouldn't have done that. Well, who's gonna stop me? Yeah, I had him when I was six years old. Wow. Yeah. Shouldn't have done that. Well, who's going to stop me? That's so true, isn't it? Anything else? What else has gotten better?

I guess the implication there is that it was my idea to have a kid who's six years old. Who's going to stop me? I'm going to do it. That's right. What else has gotten better? Coffee's gotten better. Yeah, well, comic book movies have gotten better. No, I said coffee.

Yeah, I know. Okay, right. Yeah, probably. They have overall gotten better, absolutely. Since our childhood, book movies have gotten better. No, I said coffee. Yeah, I know. Yeah, probably. They have overall gotten better, absolutely. Since our childhood they've gotten way better. Yeah, there's a dip in quality. I think a lot of people don't remember. Yeah, when we were kids, it was one good one every five or six years. If you're lucky.

But now it's a better ratio than that. You get at least one a year, either a show or a movie, at least yeah so you know yeah um I mean everything's more expensive and everything is more expensive now and I think that's good houses are more expensive but they're the same you know a lot of them are worse yeah some are worse yeah yeah you can burn them down though it's so true isn't it yeah no one could stop you um health insurance is better in Australia. Okay. Than it used to be. Yeah, because it costs more.

Oh, I see. They're slowly like chipping away at it. They sure are. And I think that's good. I think that's good too. It's really great. Yeah, I think, yeah, just. I would say entertainment is better, but I think just from sheer volume,

you just get more good stuff. Because there's just more of it. And within that, you're going to get more good things. But there is too much stuff. There is too much. Especially on our streaming service, Glut. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Like I think, I think for a lot of times, like if you took it like a classic TV series from like the 70s or the 60s took it like a classic TV series from like the 70s or the 60s or something like that, and you looked at the remake of it, I think in a lot of cases the remake is way better.

Yeah, except for the Phantom. Yeah, the Phantom is way worse. But like if you think of like, I don't know, Matlock? Yeah, the Matlock's got, it's got, it's um, Misery. His name's Matlock. No, it's Sanderlei from Misery. Matlock. No. Kathy Bates. Kathy Bates, thankery. His name's Matt Locke. No, it's Sandra Ley from Misery. Matt Locke. No.

Kathy Bates. Kathy Bates, thank you. Cath Locke. Yeah, Cath Locke. That's right. Is that good, is it? Apparently it's very good. Cool, all right.

I haven't seen it. Cool, all right. Cool and all right. Cool and all right, man. All right, I got one more. This is from Major Steve. He says, in honor of Mickey 17, if you were a perfect clone of yourself and you had to go live a completely different life than the one you have now, leaving the real you to

stay with your friends and family. Where would you go and what would you do? Karate monastery. Yeah? For karate. Why though? No, no. Do you want that?

Wait, do I get his original me paying like a stipend or a wage to me that I can just do whatever I want? I don't know. It's a hypothetical. Then I think he is. And I appreciate it. I don he is. And I appreciate it. I don't know. Can we just hang out and split chores and stuff? Oh yeah, maybe.

Would you sleep in the same bed with you? Yeah. But that's less space, man. What are you doing? Okay, I wouldn't. He won. Who sleeps on the couch? Me.

You do? Yeah, me. Okay. Is that all right with you? I reckon I would love to go work in a lighthouse. Okay. But I would probably do, like if, well I guess the thing here is what we're doing here in a roundabout way is we're saying if somebody else was working and paying those bills and

they're like, you do whatever you want, it's like, what would I do? I'd probably go to the seaside and live in a lighthouse. I mean, I like what I do. So I have to go and make something else that I don't like or build a new car. I said him make a clone and then send him off. Yeah, to work. Probably. Yeah, not to work. I don't care. Just off. Just get out of here. Figure out yourself. And this is one of those clones that comes out of the tank and they're like, what's happening? Get out of the tank and they're like, what's happening? Get out of here. A wet. Scuff some clothes? No. Make your own way in life. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

And even though they're all your members. Make your own way like I did with my parents helping me out a lot. Yeah. I don't know. I think my retirement would probably be, you know, get like a tiny house on like a big block of land near the ocean. Okay. And just live in a small house. Yeah. And smoke cigarettes.

Wow. Which is what I will start doing. Those Chinese cigarettes look really cool. Yeah, the cool Chinese ones. Hell yeah. Yeah. They're too long. They're called like Lucky Dragons cigarettes and the filter's blue and you're like, what's going on there? It's gold, blue cool Chinese. Hell yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's too long. Like lucky dragons cigarettes and the filters blue and you're like, what's going on there?

Yeah, it's got blue and gold and people would come to me for advice. They're like, what's this guy about? I don't have any advice. Actually, do you know anything about podcasting? Because I'd like to tell you a bit about that. But that was a while ago. So my knowledge probably is at the same and it's all AI generated. So all so I You know Twitter has that bookmark app I just bookmarked it or whatever whatever I see that I think is funny. Look just I've just booked some cigarettes of Chinese cigarettes Cigarettes I'm like they're cool man. I've never had a blue Chinese. Well, it's time to start Is he order some I'll order some off Amazon for you. Thank you blue Chinese Amazon Yeah, here's one Marie Mell this from Steve. Steven speaking of multiples actors playing multiple characters Hey James, I'm I so do you think there's anything to the fact that we have several movies out now or soon?

With actors playing multiple roles in the same movie The O James plays twins in the monkey Michael B Jordan plays twins in sinners and Robert De Niro plays two mob bosses in alto nights I'd do that. I'm to mob boss. Is that the Netflix show? No, that's the Another thing that's not good. I'll find out. There's also Mickey 17 and whatever Robert Pattinson is doing, that's true. A trend or coincidence? What do you think the broad, do you think it's a coincidence?

Zero day. Oh yeah, that's where he's the president or something? I don't fucking know. I don't think it's a coincidence. I think it's probably technology means you can do it. That is all, yeah, probably, yeah. You you can do it. That is all yeah probably yeah. Yeah. You can even do it like because again back in the day it would have been. Multiplicity was like really hard.

Yeah and it would have been because they couldn't do stand ins then it would have had to have been an actor acting to nobody and then remembering that precisely. And the camera has to be locked down or moved on a gimbal where it does the exact same movement every time in the green screen room. And then you get a line. And that would be painful, painful timing for the actor. But now any delay can be cut. Yep. You can have them kiss.

You can have them kiss. You can have them, they can be on screen with the old ones. Of course, you'd have to, if they're interacting with another one, you have to do a double or the other ones off camera or whatever. But now it's just you can have a bunch of in the same room frame in the camera kissing. They're kissing exactly. Yeah. And then any any errors get cut out, you know, give all the kisses in exactly. Yeah. Um, yeah, so maybe it's just a bunch of people had like movies about doubles. Parallel thought. Like ready to go in the... I wouldn't say even it's like, as we talked about when we talked about Mickey 17, it wasn't uncommon. Like, quite true. It's happened.

I mean, back to the future, there's a bunch of multiples in that. But again, lightning in a bottle. Try and make a Back to the Future movie now. They did. It's called Back to the Future 2. Did they make it? And they did a comic book. Back to the Future. Yes. They did It's called back to the future too And they did a composite feature. Yes, they did. What are they up to now? Yeah, I don't know either. I got a big strike. It's not a factor future transformers crossover. Yeah, there is yeah

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