The Weekly Planet - 573 Thunderbolts*

Episode Date: May 5, 2025

It's time to revist the Marvel Cinematic Universe for the 36th time (idscounting tv shows, spin-offs etc) in Thunderbolts Asterix! All in all people seem to think it's a better movie than Captain America: Big Brave Bird. Plus we talk some DCU rumours including Clayface being in trouble and Sergeant Rock's cancellation, trailers for Now You 3 Me, The Smashing Machine and Weapons, Jeremy Renner's Hawkeye Season 2 dispute plus Ryan Reynolds returning as Deadpool in a potential X-Men spin-of project. Thanks for listeningNew bonus book club episode out now and it's James Bond themed! Plus entire back-catalogue of let's play videos, bonus pods, movie commentaries, early access and ad-free episodes all available on https://bigsandwich.coJames & Maso on the Friends Per Second podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PADRsdfjJV4PLEASE be aware timecodes may shift up to a few minutes due to inserted ads.00:00 The Start02:38 DCU Troubles & Sgt Rock06:55 Clayface Movie Rewrites08:54 Now You 3 Me Trailer12:17 The Smashing Machine Trailer15:07 Weapons Trailer19:44 Jeremy Renner Hawkeye S2 Pay Dispute23:40 Ryan Reynolds Working on X-Men Movie25:38 Thunderbolts* Movie Review40:27 Thunderbolts* Spoiler Segment01:00:04 What We Reading, What We Gonna Read01:08:10 Letters, It's Time For LettersSUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-moviesThe Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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to fix it. Find who broke the internet on whatever terrible app you get your podcasts. ACAST helps creators launch, grow and monetize their podcasts everywhere. acast.com. Welcome back everybody to another episode of The Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday and with me as always in his house is Nick Mason. Excuse me?

That's what you wanted me to say and I'm happy to say it. That's how you like to be intro'd. That's not true actually. Really? You didn't enjoy that just a little bit? It was pretty... Because you did put your hands up in the air when I did that. It was pretty urban and street, wasn't it?

Which is what I'm exactly like. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, let's move on really quickly. Nice day for it, don't you think? It's a lovely day. It's a wonderful time to record. It's about 2pm. Yep. A real afternoon delight, this podcast. Absolutely. Yeah. Let me tell you this, Mason. It's a big show. It is a big show. We're doing Thunderbolts Asterix. We're going to be reviewing that. But there are time codes below if you want to jump directly to that or maybe you're thinking you want to hear the news of the week that's also time coded Rob Collings who edits this he makes it happen what if I'm one of those rare birds that wants to listen to

both the news of the week and talk to listen to thunder I mean yeah you have to jump around using the time codes what if I want to hear Thunderbolts review first yeah you can do that definitely okay what if I want to hear Thunderbolts review first? Yeah, you can do that. Definitely. Okay. What if I want to hear some news? I'm going to stop you there, Mason. Thunderbolts review, go on. You can't do that.

Really? No. Am I, what am I restricted to the number of jumping around? No, I mean you can't, like you won't have, you just won't do that. No, I'm not going to do that. Absolutely no. You're not going to listen to this at all? No, I'm absolutely not going to listen to this at all.

Why would I? I'm here. I'm here for it. Agreed. And I get to hear all the bonus content to this at all. Why would I? I'm here. I'm here for it. Agreed. And I get to hear all the bonus content, i.e. the stuff that gets cut out because it's not doing very well, i.e. this bit. Listeners out there, they're not going to hear this, are they? They don't know this.

They're not going to hear this gold. They don't even know this happens. Anyway, so we're going to talk about a couple of DC projects potentially in trouble, including Sergeant Rock and also the Clayface movie. We've got trailers for Now You Three Me, The Smashing Machine and Weapons. Weapons. We're going to talk about also a few MCU related things including Jeremy Renner not returning for Hawkeye season two.

But maybe that's happening regardless. And Ryan Rentnalds is putting his sticky fingers in a Deadpool movie with X-Men potentially. Is he? Potentially. Sticky Wrexham fingers. He's eaten all that footy scran. Is that a big deal? You familiar with the concept of scran, he? Potentially. With those sticky, Wrexham fingers. Yeah. He's eaten all that footy scran. Is that a big deal?

You familiar with the concept of scran, Joe? What's scran? Is that like? It's just food, food you eat at the football. Oh. It's called scran for some reason. So it's like whatever you get. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's, I imagine like, it's not like a trail mix.

No, like a, like a, you know, like a curry at the football. What? You know, this is, this is UK football. Okay, I guess they have that here. I'm gonna put it tonight actually. Do you want to come? No. Who's playing? Don't know. You don't know? No, it's Collie with Geelong. Okay, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that a famous rivalry? I feel like it's not. Mason, let me tell you something. There's a little rivalry in sport. So the DCU, it might be in trouble. This is by THR. They're saying that the Sergeant Rock movie is no longer moving forward.

Who's Sergeant Rock, Mason? He's a World War II guy. Yeah. Sometimes Superman meets him. Sometimes. He's one of those guys that sometimes they'll go back in time and they'll meet the World War II guy. He's always in the trenches. And sometimes, I believe continuity-wise, sometimes he was the last man to be killed in World War II like the blast bullet fired killed him okay then sometimes he's just still

alive depends on the continuity for people I don't know about every five to ten years DC like reboots their entire continuity so sometimes he's alive and sometimes he's alive yeah Superman visits him often there was that Superman up in the sky went and visited him oh yeah that's right but you know that did I read that recently again with my son. You're going to say that did happen. That did happen. Wow. That just happened.

Oh. So Luca Guadagnino, how do you spell this? I say Guadagnino. Guadagnino. He was apparently going to direct this with Daniel Craig initially. They didn't come to an agreement. Daniel Craig said, I won't be doing this. I stepped away.

Then Colin Farrell looked like he was going to do it. Huh. But now it's looking like it might not happen at all. It would still happen, but nobody's doing it. So it's looking quite a new no directing no one. Because it really happened. Yeah. Here's the synopsis if it happened, and it will. Although it has a World War II setting, the story is said to involve Rock teaming up with

a French female resistance fighter, brackets are there any other kind? Yes. I think so yeah to find them the mystical spear of destiny the spear used to stab Jesus Christ during this crucifixion and in law he said to have supernatural properties before the Nazis get their hands on it mmm I don't think they should get their hands on it because they're gonna be stabbing people with it you could use a regular spear you don't need to use a magic spear that stabbed Jesus that's

probably true but the Nazis they do want a weapon that is as powerful as that gun that Indiana Jones has in Last Crusade that can shoot through like seven dudes. That's true. They feel the spear of destiny probably has equal power to that. You know what I mean? They're probably right. Was the spear of destiny in the last Indiana Jones movie sort of, and it was a fake one? Remember they had to recover the spear on the train or something? Uh, oh yeah, it might've been.

Yeah. It's in Wolfenstein. Yeah. This, the, not the- The New Order or the other one.? Oh yeah, it might have been. It's in Wolfenstein. Yes. The new order or the other one. I was going to say the old ones. Like the old Wolfenstein 3D, one of the expansion packs was, gotta get that Spear of Destiny. But you didn't get to use it. But what's the point there?

Yeah, exactly. Right? Unbelievable. I should have had one of those and then there's a mod where you can kill Homer Simpson with it. Why didn't, yeah exactly. Is that why GTA is delayed? D'oh he would say! It's being impaled by the spirit of destiny. Is that why they delayed GTA 6 the next game?

Marge! Yeah it is yeah. That's because of that game from that long ago and you couldn't stab Homer Simpson. Yeah that's great yes. Wow incredible. So apparently there's a few reasons for this. Apparently they're running out of time to shoot. A lot of this would have been filmed outdoors in the UK. And you know like we were trying to film it during World War Two and we've just missed, we've just missed the window there. Another source raised the possibility of

Aguadernino remaining untested in the realm of action movies and also the budget was in the 70 million range and they weren't sure whether he could deal with that and also maybe they were thinking the budget might go down to 65 which might not have been enough etc and so forth But deadline they've come in and saying that they're gonna reassess this and maybe aim it for a 2026 shoot all right, so they might miss it this time around because they didn't have an actor or budget and whatever or anything a script Yeah, well, that's one of the things that they apparently did have because you know James Gunn has talked about it again and again

Unless he's a big liar. A gun and a gun. Yeah, that. They're not doing it. I've said it once, I've said it. A gun and a gun. And then he winks at the camera and then they get him right center frame. They push all the actors out of frame. Every one of them. And then he's center frame. Yeah. They do love that James Gunn presents now, don't they? They do.

Yeah. And you know, I mean probably they need a Stanley, you know. Because I mean that's what the previous generation didn Stanley, you know, because I mean, that's what that's that's what The previous generation didn't have I guess it had Zack Snyder. Yep, but he's not they're like I'm creating a universe his life He was doing that what is like what if Batman stubbed his toe and it hurt really bad? Yeah, what if what if Superman was a cement got so many chicks? It's not what happens in the movie Hypothetically while you're watching this boring movie, you can imagine him getting

a bunch of chicks. Deadlight is saying, no, I said that, so they're going to reassess and maybe shoot in 2026. Speaking of scripts that aren't completed potentially, Jeff Snyder has said that Mike Flanagan from Midnight Mass and many other great things, he only wrote a skeleton script for the Clayface movie. Which is ironic because Clayface doesn't have a skeleton. Exactly. He's mostly skeleton free. If you've played the Arkham game that he's in.

See right through it. And the focus will be, because his focus is going to shift to an upcoming Carrie TV series. So Clayface is getting a page one rewrite. I don't know if that's because unless he's a big liar. I mean this is Daniel. Jeff Snyder. The Insnyder. What's his hit rate? I can find that out. Because he's a big scooper slash liar isn't he? Alrighty then I'm Ace Ventura. You okay with that? I think that's great. Oh for Marvel he has a 55.7% accuracy rating.

Overall, he's got a 62.5. Better than a coin flip. It's okay. It's barely. Yeah. I mean, you know, so I don't know. I think that remains to be seen. You know, when you mentioned that a lot of these DC projects have, you know, ideally

have a completed script, you know, Sergeant Rock would probably tie into Creature Commandos, right? You think so, yeah. You think think maybe he meets the GI Robot. Yeah, GI Robot's fun. Yeah, he's fun. It's good. You love a ragtag team, don't you? I love a ragtag team.

And you love all the movies that they are in. Yep. Including the one we're talking about today. You loved it? I liked it a lot. Not to get ahead of it. I thought it was pretty good. You loved it?

You loved it, everybody. He loved it. He's raising his hands to the roof because he is in his house, as we all know. Oh dear. You're not? Would you consider yourself the his house as we all know. Oh dear. You're not? Would you consider yourself in the his house? I mean you have put that sign up that says James is his house. I guess like legally. Be very careful how you word this. Yeah I think legally. Although I'm against this. And this is a studio and not a his house. I agree. Well I guess I went through the his house to get to the studio.

That's right. Yeah. So you are... I'm not in the his house. I don't like this. I really felt that you were. Travis Ahoy. Honk. Get out of here, boat. Mason. Yes.

Now you three me. The third now you see me is here. That's right. And this time, Magic. Oh yeah. And that to do a heist. And there's two teams though. There's a young cool team. Cool guys. And then there's Woody Harrelson's team.

That's right. The old guys. They're stupid. They're yucky. Yeah. Could be fun. I don't know. I like the last two.

I've only seen the first. I think they're almost great kind of fun, silly action movies. What holds them back? That they're bad? They're bad and also that again Woody Harrelson's character seems to actually be magic. There are plenty of videos on this, but like the idea of like most of them are like just good at sleight of hand and they've got gadgets and they've practiced and whatever. Was Lizzie Kaplan in this trailer?

No, it's... I know Isla Fisher. Isla Fisher is back. Lizzie Kaplan was in the second one. Okay. She was like, I'm the girl one. Okay, well that's good. I don't think she's back in this one.

I couldn't see her in the trailer. I'm looking around. But there are plenty of videos on this, but the idea of like, Woody Harrison's the hypnotist, but his hypnotism powers work like they do on stage, which is not how hypnotism works. You know what I mean? Like he can like wave one of those colored circles in front of your face and say, go to sleep and then you go to sleep. And like I've said, that doesn't work in real life because if it did, people would rob petrol

stations. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're right. Lizzie Kaplan wasn't in the first one. It appears that she was in the second one potentially, though I haven't looked at the

cast for that one as of yet. Might be a big reveal. She's in this. Mark Ruffalo also not in this one. He was in the previous two What was he in that was he a magic debunker or something? I terms I don't want to spoil too much, but also nobody cares at this point. He's an FBI agent But that's really working for them or something. He's also the big man magic guy. Yeah, man Yeah, wow I'm casting this Dominic Sessa from The Holdovers is in this. Yep.

He's in the Young and Cool new team. Young and Cool. And a couple of other people. They're also in it. That's right. Ariana Greenblatt. Oh yes. She plays Little Gamora.

She plays Little Borderlands. Little Borderlands, that's right. Rosamund Pike is the villain. Oh yes. Justice Smith, he's back. He's in D&D. The movie. Yes.

Yeah, cool. That's the magic connection. That's all you need. Yeah, that's right Um, I guess we should rewatch these we could something so true. Maybe a movie commentary. I don't know you interested in this Yeah, I mean I'll watch it for sure great. Mm-hmm. Well, it's out November 14 2025 Just ages away. I mean we do have to address the elephant in the room of course that it's called Now

You See Me, Now You Don't. Yeah. They haven't gone with Now You See Me. They've also, the first one was called Now You See Me, the second one was called Now You See Me 2. Yeah. This is a mess. This is awful.

They've really ruined this. They should change it like the Mission Impossible movies. At least Tom Cruise and Macquarie had the balls to change the name of Dead Reckoning, part one to just Dead Reckoning because they're like, didn't work. Didn't really work. We're changing it. They should change it to now you see me, now you don't.

And then the third magic one. Yeah. We're here again. Hello. Magic is real. Woody Harrison is magic. That's right. And in real life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Woody Harrison accidentally opened a portal to hell and he can't close it. Because he's too much of a doofus. He doesn't want to. He could but he doesn't want to. He's not interested man.

Yeah, 5th of November or whatever I said. Okay, great. Next up we've got the smashing machine. Oh yes. I'm not just talking about your mum, Mason. I don't think you're talking about her at all. How dare you? Because she's quite violent. That's not true. No, you're thinking of Dwayne the Rock Johnson's character In the movie the Smashing Machine. Yeah, but I understand how you made that mistake. It's easy to do. I Don't apologize. Okay. Why would you? Yeah, so this one is directed by Benny Safdie and we talked about before this was announced. Yes. Wouldn't it be good if Dwayne Johnson did a movie? That was good. I meant just a movie.

Oh yeah, that would be good. Like a real movie with real stuff in it. And I don't love this trailer. Why not? I don't know. Something about it. It's weird. Maybe it's just because it's him. Okay.

It's weird. I don't know. Am I wrong? I think that the... It'll probably be good. I mean, it, something about it. It's weird. Maybe it's just because it's him. Okay. It's weird. I don't know. Am I wrong? I think that the... It'll probably be good. I mean, it's Benny Safdie. I think the makeup and hair has given a... gone a long way to making, you know, differentiating him from previous The Rock projects. Where he plays himself. Where he plays himself. I think this could be it, you know? This could be... I mean, you know, Adam Sandler of course had done this before,

but like Uncut Gems gives us another side of that guy. Yes, exactly. He'd done serious roles before, but I think, you know, I think, you know what it is, it's a real standout. It's a bit of that, you know, it's got a lot of those, like the fighter, it feels the wrestler, the wrestler, all of those. The Rassler. Exactly. There's an SNL skit where every boxers- Papyrus with all scenes. No, no, that one. It's a weekend update one and it's also stars. It's a news kind of satirical thing, but it's also got every boxers girlfriend in it.

And she's constantly talking about how she's going to take her kids to her sisters. Oh, of course. Yeah, that's right. Because if you fight again, you know. Yeah, yeah. Tidy Gardner. Anyway, it's great. So I kind of got vibes of that. You know, it's like, you can't do this. You're a broken down guy.

You're too, you're too, you're a piece of meat. You're a big meat man. You're going to get. The only thing I know how to do is fight. This might not even be how the trailer goes. I don't remember. But yeah, I mean, good luck to the Rock. He needs a win.

I agree. Because we all think he's a doofus. Don't you think? Yes. You said he can't act and he's a buffoon. He's a buffoon of a man and his money brings him nothing but hollowness. That's what you said. That's what I thought. How did you get inside my thoughts? I've never said those things. You wrote it on my wall. Okay, right. Of his house. And you need to stop doing that.

Okay, fine. Yeah. I think it looks pretty that. Okay fine. Yeah. I think it looks pretty good. Okay. I think he is a good actor when given- Oh he totally can be. I mean he's very charismatic. Yeah.

Also having a little blunts in this. That's right. As the girlfriend slash wife. Yeah. Yeah. Taking our kids to our sisters and whatever. You know? Yeah.

I'm taking a kid to my sister. Yes. What's that? Yeah. Yeah. Great. And of course we got a trailer. We got the teaser last week for weapons. Yeah. Again, if you don't want to know anything. Oh, that's October 3 smashing machine. If you don't want to know anything about weapons going into it, maybe skip this

trailer and skip us talking about the trailer. This is another good trailer in the sense of we get more of the premise, we get a firmer grasp on the premise, but it still hasn't revealed too much. So the last, the little teaser last time was that in this small town at 2 17 a.m., a bunch of kids wake up and they all leave their houses and to places unknown. We don't know where they're going or why, but in this trailer, we reveal that they're all from the same class. Yep. School and Julia Garner plays. The teacher. The teacher and people are starting to blame her and why what's going on.

We also see somebody vomit up a big thing of black goo. Yeah. So there's. There's a spooky dream sequence probably. We also see somebody vomit up a big thing of black goo. Yeah, so this yeah, so it's this There's a spooky dream sequence. Probably there does seem to be a spooky dream sake or it's real I could be nice. We don't know. Yeah, could this be a really ham-fisted Attempt to talk about school shootings or something in a way. Well, who knows? Is that 217 a Bible verse people have have been speculating. Is that relevant? What is the 217 Bible verse?

Well, it could be anything. It could be revelations. It could be Exodus. Exodus would work. Exodus because they're exodus-ing. They're exodus-ing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Love the cast of this. Could be Luke. Could be Luke. At least one of them is probably called Luke.

Luke Skywalker. Luke Skywalker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. John. John Skywalker. Bewon Kenobi. John, yeah. John Princess Leia. John Princess Leia. John Princess Leia. Yeah.

Julia Garno has mentioned Pedro Pascal, Josh Brolin, Brian Tyree Henry. Tom Burke is in this who was sort of Mad Max in that last movie. He was Mad Max. But he wasn't really Mad Max. June Dyer, Rafe Abafal. He was Mad Faximile. He was. Benedict Wong, Alden Einreich.

Great names. Lot of scary faces. So what this trailer is. Lot of scary faces. There's a lot of, the first couple of minutes of the trailer setting up all the pieces and, you know, a little bit of town conflict and people confused or whatever. And then the last 30 seconds is just a montage of just insane faces and people screaming, which is fun. I'm not going to watch this again, the trailer. Good call. Hopefully I'll forget by August 8th. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was one snippet of the trailer where I'm like, oh my god, that's some sort of scary monster.

And I went back and I paused it and it's just an old lady. Yeah. Yeah, just an old lady. Sure wasn't a reflection. Come on, mate. Was it a reflection of you? It was actually. Yeah. Of both your personality and face. That's exactly right. It was both. Yeah, I looked in a special mirror. Also, for people who are super invested in this, is of course there's the little website. They're doing the whole thing. They're doing the website. I'm not that invested, sorry. Okay, are you invested to watch the 2017 minutes of

surveillance camera footage? Ever. That's what I thought. No. Interesting. People have already, you know, skimmed through it for all the best parts. You do see a reflection of somebody's face. Apparently watching the footage, I think it's Josh Brolin. Josh Brolin, what are you doing there? He's concerned. I know he's an actor too. Yeah, nice.

I figured it out. Probably before a lot of people did. When I see him in movies, I'm like, that's not real. Interesting. He's acting. Okay. You think a lot of people are like, wow, he's on an alien planet. A lot of people think he's- Really sandy. Yeah, a real sandy planet. Yeah, but that's Josh Brolin. He's acting. Okay. You think a lot of people are like, wow, he's on an alien planet. A lot of people.

Really sandy. Yeah. Real sandy planet. But that's Josh Brolin. He's an actor. That's really interesting. Yeah. People don't know.

So of course, Zach Greger directed Barbarian, which is, I'm just thinking about like the, the tension that that, that that movie builds. I agree. It's crazy. Yeah. Like it's so, and it like lures you in, like not only like emotionally, but also- I would have been lured in. No, you won't, but like you're physically like drawn further in.

I would have been physically drawn further in. You were, you've seen it and that's what happened to you too. So yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing this. It looks- If I were in the movie Barbarian, I would have found an equitable solution that would have made all parties happy. Yeah? Yeah.

And what would that have been? Universal have made all parties happy. Yeah. Yeah, I'm all about a bang Universal health care. Yeah, absolutely Yeah, he have some I would say yeah, they'd be like, thanks man. Thank you really appreciate that You know, so you just carrying around universal health care. Yeah, but you're not giving it now to everybody So it's not universal then is it it could be if everyone's nice to me. I Don't like this little caveat you put on this Mason. Too bad. It's petty. Too bad.

It does not become you. I'm the one holding all the universal healthcare. I don't even know why they let you do that quite frankly. And for which government? All? Yeah. All right. You snooze you lose.

Can I have one? Are you gonna be nice to me? Probably not. Then no. Enjoy your regular healthcare. Mason. Yes. This is by about high performance. What's that? Your bloody mum again, something? I don't know.

What's high performance? You made this website up. No, it's something somebody Jeremy Renner spoke to. Oh, okay, right. So they were asking him about coming back as Hawkeye in another season of Hawkeye. Ideally, he could do that because his character's name is Hawkeye. That's right. He's one of the Hawkeyes.

He said, they asked me to do season two and they offered me half the money. I'm like, well, it's going to take me twice the amount of work for half the amount of money and eight months of my time, essentially, to do it for half the amount. I'm like, I'm sorry, why? Do you think I'm only half the Jeremy Renner? Because I got ran over. Maybe- That's a good line.

Yeah, I agree. That's why you want to pay me half of what I made for the first season. And That's a good line. Yeah, I agree. That's why you want to pay me half of what I made for the first season. And he said, this is not Marvel, mind you. This is like just Disney, not even really Disney. It's the penny pinches, the accountants. I told them to go fly a kite. That's nice. That's nice.

Must have been a nice day for us. That's all right. I mean, just at the insult of the offer. So we didn't say eye to eye on that. But he had said, though, it's kind of Marvel, though, isn't it? Disney and Marvel think so. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure somebody could have stepped in and be like, yeah, he's probably worth.

I would say people are as a result of his accident and just him in general. There is an interest. I don't think this is if anything, his his profile has been raised. You would pay him more money for this. But I mean, you would also, you would think that almost all of these actors are on those, you know, a wage schedule where you do another project for them and you get more money. Like that is certainly the case with Hemsworth and Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. and all those guys. And this isn't just a twohour movie. It's presumably like a minimum eight hour series

Yeah, well I've heard and from a fairly reliable source, which I will not divulge Jeremy Renner Jeremy Renner the Jeremy Renner app This is yeah, this is Star Wars more related than Marvel But those Star Wars shows in particular like the volume ones are incredibly cheap, right? And I mean like as in like everything mmm like the catering everything about it're incredibly cheap right and I mean like as in like everything mmm like the catering everything about it is incredibly cheap huh I'm not gonna say who I heard that from is that it was you is that why they look like they're filmed in like office building yes that's right and I imagine that there

there was a lot of penny-pinching happening and it's it's that flows into all yeah aspects and of course the last Hawkeye series was set. Like they're paying people like fuck all. Yeah, yeah. And because Hawkeye was set in New York City at Christmas time. The urn of cold coffee. Which can't be cheap to do.

No. Because they have real locations and real stunts. I don't know how much of that was actually shot in New York, but yeah. Well certainly, most of it was shot in a real place though. Yeah, you're probably right. But I guess enough time has passed where they're like, we don't have to do that anymore. Yeah, I'm wondering to respect anybody Yeah, yeah

I'm wondering if this the idea behind this was will put will make original Hawkeye more of a background character and Kate Bishop The main wow that's funny to say that because my time to shine Hello a big lie potentially said despite Jeremy Renner's decision not to do season two of Hawkeye It's still moving forward with Hailey Steinfeld in the lead. And maybe that was part of it. Maybe he was taking a diminished role in that. But if he's saying that it's still an eight month shoot and all of that, then I don't know.

Also, that might not be true. I would say they probably are doing something Hawkeye related, but we're going to at the very least. This also might be like a negotiation tactic. Totally. He might not be entirely out completely. Yeah. But if you shine a light on this and then somebody goes,

oh, maybe we should pay him. Maybe they should pay him. A full amount. Yeah. You also said he would love to do it. Yeah. But you said, I didn't ask for more money, mind you just pay me what I made for the first season.

Yeah, that's crazy. Great. Yeah. Then that's very reasonable. So we'll see if that happens. If not, they'll show up in the Avengers. Seems like Marvel are giving him the Ren-A-Round. Whoa, you can't give him the Ren-A-Round.

That's his move. Who's giving you the Ren-A-Round? That's his move. He's going to give you the Ren-A-Round. That's right. What are you thinking? What are you thinking? What are they thinking?

Probably not thinking at all. That's a bloody problem. You're right, Mason. This is by THR. Ryan Reynolds is apparently working on an X-Men movie with some Deadpool in it. Now, he said before he's not interested in doing a Deadpool 4. He said, my wife and family will leave me if I did that. It's too much of a big commitment to me, Ryan Reynolds, who also runs a football club and

a phone service and another thing that he does. I don't know. And he's always getting buried in that coffin. That's true. He's doing all of these things. Yeah, yeah. Some people he's always getting buried in that coffin. That's true. He's doing all of these things. Yeah, yeah, some people do a cold plunge in a pool. He gets buried. Yep. And he loves it.

And we love him for it. I think so. Apparently it's going to feature three or four X-Men characters and Deadpool would appear, but he'd be more of a supporting player than an actual main character. This would allow the X-Men characters to shine and still allow the fan favourite Deadpool to appear and be up to his normal chaotic antics. And have all the good lines.

Yeah, he's probably like, what's up cable nice balls. Look at my balls also. What's up gambit? Go on. Nice balls. Also look at my balls. Okay, right. Etc.

Sure. Yeah. What do you think of that? Good. But although, it's going to have to be PG so they will be holding like literal like balls. Okay, cool. Like tennis balls or whatever.

Yeah. Apparently this is separate from the other X-Men film being written by Michael Leslie, which is going to introduce the X-Men to the larger MCU. So this feels like whatever Ryan Reynolds wants to do. X-Force, it'll be X-Force. Yeah, I mean he sort of did that, but I guess he could read. He did it again. Yeah. It worked and it made money so they'll do it again. Do you reckon it'll be like the... Apparently they haven't decided on but do you reckon it'll be similar to like the Blade, Electra, Wolverine kind of team?

Like it'll be something like that, like Gambit, like a weird offshoot team from like No, I don't think so. Yeah, you think it would just be? A sort of X-Men, I reckon. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Are you excited for it though? No.

That's all right. It's all right. It could be fun. Yeah. Also, we don't really know what it is, I guess. That's true. Yeah. But we know what this next thing is, Mason. Oh, yes. It's the movie Thunderbolts. Oh.

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Thunderbolts asterisk. That's right. On a budget of $180 million, it's looking like the US opening is going to be 70 to 73 million and globally it's going to be somewhere between 160 to 175 million, which is okay. Bearing in mind there's a few caveats on this Mason. It was released in China and is apparently the lowest MCU launch in 14 years. So don't rely on China to save your film, Kevin Feige.

Not this time or possibly ever again. That's right. So the lowest opening in 14 of the 17 years that the Marvel universe has been around. That being said, it has very positive word of mouth, it seems, or fairly positive word of mouth. The reviews have been good. There's a very good chance that this will have legs because there's nothing opening in direct competition for a few weeks at the very least. It also probably more so than Brave New World leads into things that people are interested

in. And I would say also generally word of mouth has been better. Yes. I think. I said that Mason. Good word of mouth. No, I wasn't listening. You need to listen to the words from my mouth.

We need to lock in. Not a bad word of mouth. Like objectively that's bad word of mouth. Mine's words my mouth. We need to lock in. That's a bad word of mouth. Like objectively, that's bad word of mouth. Mine's words of mouth. Yes. That's right. Yeah. I'm just baffled by what do you think the story was. Oh, come on, mate. See if you can surprise me. Go. All right. Being a man, I have seen this. And we're going to do non-spoilers and spoilers, but we're going to spoil most of the things that are in the trailer. That's right. Yeah. All right. Well, get this. What? You know how you think that all the superheroes in the Marvel Universe are like cool and sexy. Yeah. All right. Well get this what you know how you think of the all the superheroes in the Marvel Universe are like Cool and sexy. Yeah, I do think that you think that well guess what some of them are losers

What and they put all the losers in this movie and all the losers get sent on a mission looking in a mirror Go on. Sorry. Yeah, I was looking at your mirror, but you would still be in it No, but it's burnt your loser image has been burned into your mirror. Like a laser. Because I cry into it too much. That's exactly right. Yeah. Okay. All right.

I should probably get a new mirror. You'll just ruin that mirror as well. Because if it's only showing a loser image of me. Yeah. But you'll just ruin the next mirror as well. Yeah, you're probably right. Maybe I could get paper towels but mirrors. Yeah, maybe.

You know, you kind of- Maybe you should just destroy all the mirrors in your house. Not a bad idea Mason. Not bad right? Yeah. Anyway sorry you were saying, I'm a big loser. Anyway, a bunch of big losers. They're like, what if all the biggest losers at the MCU could put on a mission to do a thing. Then they all meet up and they're like, whoa!

We're doing this thing. We can't work together. Let's kill each other. Wait a second, I've got a better idea. Let's team up and be best friends. But not really. We'll say that we're not going to be best friends, but we are immediately. That's right. And we all like each other and feel sad and we have sad emotions. We all have depression for various reasons. And we're not really heroes, even though we do nothing but heroic things. But some things we have done that aren't that heroic, most of which you haven't seen. Except for the time John Walker beat that guy's head in on TV or whatever with the Captain America shield, which is not okay.

Well, I mean, he didn't beat his head in. His head was pristine. It was just removed from his body. But did he actually decapitate him? I think so. Because that's fun. I think that's implied. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Yeah. So what do they have to do then? Run around, do a mission, save the world, et cetera. New York City, baby. This is from director Jake Shrier, who directed Robot and

Frank. I don't know if you've seen Robot and Frank, but it's a fun little indie. He also created the show Beef. Comedy. Oh, did he? Yeah. He created Beef. He's good. Yeah. That's why Steven Yeun was originally going to be casting this. Oh, that's right. And then he was busy. Also, some of the writers are from Beef as well, I think. That's why everybody's depressed. Beef writers. There you go. That's very interesting. Everybody is depressed in this.

I'll say this, a lot of this is spoiled in the trailers. And I mean in terms of action set pieces, certain lines, things that are pretty obvious that are going to happen. But there is like the, it becomes more existential than your standard Marvel movie. It's quite a small movie. It is, yeah. Like it is a found family team movie in the style of Guardians or the Avengers, you know, a bunch of guys that don't get along, but they're going to have to get along. It feels closer to the Black Widow movie than any of those really. Yeah. I mean for also for casting reasons. And like for example in

Avengers 2012 there's an extended action sequence that happens in New York City and it covers this it feels like it covers the entirety of New York City. There's an action sequence later in this movie that is set in New York City and it sort of covers a street. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's a smaller movie, but I think that's to its benefit for the most part. Yeah, I think so. And I think this movie would have worked way better

or it would have felt more welcome and I think it probably would have done better a year after Endgame. Right, yeah. I think this is the sort of movie that people were looking for post Endgame, which is not a movie when the entire universe isn't at stake. Yeah, but it also does serve, and it's been six years since Endgame, to move the universe

forward in a way that I think people were looking for then. I think they're probably less interested now. But yeah, so it feels like there has been a lot of movies and TV shows, which not all of which have been bad. There's been some really good stuff. But this one really is this is this is important and what's next is important. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah.

And you know, I thought also this was an interesting movie in the sense of that. Like you mentioned everybody in is depressed. Like it's a movie about depression and finding solace in others. And I kind of feel like it would resonate with two groups of people. One group is just people living their lives generally and going, things seem kind of bad right now. I feel generally just bad. But also for people who are fans of the MCU that are feeling like it is kind of directionless. Yeah. Like a lot of the characters in this movie are just like, yeah, just go around and I, you know,

go into a building and I shoot a bunch of people and I leave and it's kind of boring and I keep doing this over and over again and I'm sad. Yeah. And I sort of don't even know who I'm really doing this for or why I'm doing it. But they've really leaned into like, there are no Avengers anymore. Even though there are. I mean, we've seen in other movies that there's still teams of people doing things. Well, they're saying they're doing things, aren't they? Yeah, you know. Was it Chongqi with the post credit says like, look at all these rings and whatever?

Yeah, but that would just a couple of people in a room, wouldn't it? What about the Eternals? What do they have to do? They're a team. No, they got kidnapped. They got kidnapped by a big space robot or whatever. That's right. Yeah, they all got tried and executed for the crimes I think all in all like it is it's pretty standard fair in terms of like a

Group dynamic that we'd like you mentioned like we have seen in like Guardians and even Suicide Squad and other like rag tag teams But I do I do think all those characters work well together like even like a lesser characters that is like a ghost is a minor villain in Ant Man 2 and has a fairly significant role in this I would say. And I think she's in most of the scenes. In most of the scenes. Yeah. But I think it's yeah. I mean, the lead in this is Black Widow 2 played by Florence Pugh. Correct. Well, I think is wonderful. I think she's a better Black Widow.

I like her more than the previous one. Interesting. I don't know if you feel similarly, but I think there's just kind of more personality there. I think she's funnier. I think she's just more interesting in general. Well, also these characters, there are jokes in this movie as it is a Marvel movie and is therefore an action comedy.

It's a joke movie. But the humor is derived from their personalities. It's not just them all doing quips. What did you mention recently that didn't do that? Who knows? There was some movie where you were like, the humor is just like, we're all the quippiest person. I think it was like two or three ways ago.

I mean Ghostbusters. Yeah, I mean Ghostbusters. Yeah, but it was something more recent. Oh yeah, it must have been. Yeah. Yeah. Very recently. But in this one, you know, we get David Harbour as the Red Guardian and he's funny because he's so

enthused. He's so enthused. Uncharted. There we go. He's so enthused to be part of the team. That's why he's funny. Yeah, absolutely. And he also brings heart and like, take pride in your work.

There is meaning in what we do. Even though I'm a big loser like all of you. That's not to say that we're not important and this isn't important. And John Walker is funny because his wife left him. That is funny. It's funny, right? Dude, he's having a great time. Yeah.

Yeah. And John and Joe. Yeah, and so on. And other characters that are in this for the length of the movie. Bucky, of course, shows up. He was in, I was under the impression that he wasn't in it that much, but he's in it quite a bit. I think also what he does bring to this is a guy who's been in previous movies and he's

seen a lot. And TV shows. And TV shows, yeah. And he's seen a lot. So he's just kind of like, I know how this goes. Yeah. Okay, let's not do it like this. We'll do it. I'll run this. Right. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I know how these movies go. You need a guy who knows how the movies Right. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. I know how these movies go. You need a guy who knows how the movies go. Yeah. And again, Red Guardian is in awe of him because he is. And to some degree, they all are because he's been through the most. Yeah. And he's also, he's in a different point in his life where he's now a US Senator.

I mean, they wrap up that storyline in this. They do, yes. But yeah, I mean, I think Sebastian Stan is great, as usual. I think he is, he's a good, I probably wouldn't have picked him specifically, I guess, but he's a good team leader, especially for a team like this. I think he works really well. And I would, I don't know whether they have any plans to do it, or even if he'd want to do it. I think he would be a good Captain America. I think you could bring him around to that at some point.

Yeah. You know, if they wanted to move it away from Sam Wilson, which they'll eventually have to do anyway. Yeah. But a lot of this, you know, is where, you know, we're heroes when we suck and whatever. There's a lot of that. The villain, of course, is Elaine from Seinfeld. That's correct. Valentina Allegra de Fontaine, who's doing super shady secret government superhero activities.

She's the quippy one. She is the quippy one. She's got all of the quips. And she's tied to Lewis Pullman's character, Bob, who shows up very early on as a mysterious man who seems also like a bit of a loser and a nobody and can't do anything. But maybe there's more to him. And maybe you see that in the trailer. Should we save that for spoilers?

Let's save our spoilers for spoilers. Yeah, okay. Yeah. I think it felt like also a bunch of this, well I know what it was, was taken out of the trailers. There's like a few, there's a few lines, like there's a moment in one of the trailers where Red Guardian mentions how cool the Winter Soldier is, like that's not in it.

There's moments where they, like Bucky's talking about how you can't call ourselves the Thunderbolts. In this they're named after a like a Pee-wee soccer team. Uh huh, yeah. But it would, I got the impression they couldn't call themselves the Thunderbolts because the previous president turned into a red monster. Correct. And his nickname was Thunderbolt Ross. Uh huh, yeah. But it seems that's, I don't know whether they just went, you know what, people didn't like it or didn't see it that much.

Right, yeah, yeah, uh-huh. They removed all of that for some reason? We can't call ourselves the new presidents of the United States of America because of what the president did and also that band. Yeah, that's right. That did Lump and Peaches. Yeah, so it felt like that they removed kind of. I think that would have been fine to keep in right yeah there was a trailer at one point where they were pointing out oh this is from the creators of beef this is the cinematographer what have you yeah and

there's a moment where you see them it's it's Red Guardian and Bucky driving a truck and they yell and they're screaming that's not in the movie either that must be before that crash bits that I think it is yeah yeah apparently also Baron Zima was never in this because often he is leader of the Thunderbolts. Correct. That was never apparently considered. As you mentioned, Stephen Newell was supposed to be sentry at one point. I think Lewis Pullman is really good at this actually. As Bob. As Bob. I think he's sorry. It is in all the trailers. Yeah, it is. No, it's true. Yeah. But you mentioned also like bringing in like cinematography, like no insignia

cinematographers and stunt coordinators and all that a lot of this is Shot and done for real and I think a lot of this can be faked obviously But I think the movie you don't think about it because I think it looks good And you just kind of go with it most notably this movie starts with Florence pew Apparently leaping off the second tallest building in the world yeah but you'd never know no you absolutely would because there's no there's no close-up of that no there's no she just steps off she just steps off and then you then we go we pull way back and you just see a dot yeah falling off a building well if you've seen the behind the scenes footage she just does

step off and she probably falls like 10 feet and then they all right pull her up and whatever so yeah well there is a chance she would have fallen to a death. Definitely. So I think a lot definitely Definitely, but I think a lot of the action on the whole there's one particular superhero fight Well, there's a bunch of them, but I think you know the way we're talking about which is quite good Mm-hmm shows like the powers of certain characters compared to others. Yes That's like a very that to me was like this is a fun comic book It shows the powers of certain characters compared to others. That to me was like, this is a fun comic book thing brought to life, which again, which is more of a spoiler thing.

But as I said though, I don't think, aside from the third act, a lot of this isn't particularly surprising, I would say. It gets a bit eternal sunshine of the spotless mind and a bit existential, which I thought was an interesting thing to do in a movie like this, because I saw it with my son. And even he was like, I didn't think it was going to be like this at all. He did really like it. He liked it more than he liked the Red Hulk movie. That's also maybe because he just saw this one. But no, he did, that didn't take away for him it was still like, oh, this is a good movie that you can get something out of and you know, it gives you

an idea of like depression and bipolar and all of that with you know, that some you could be at any kind of level and understand where they're kind of going with it. So I think that was for this kind of movie was balanced reasonably well, it would say. Yes. Yeah. I didn't I didn't love it. I liked it. What would you say? I certainly liked it more than the last Captain America.

Absolutely. 100% without a doubt. It was also sort of saying something. Yeah. It was sort of saying something. I will talk about this in spoilers, I think, but I'm absolutely going to give it credit for doing some stuff that Marvel movies haven't done.

Yep. Certainly in recent times It was nice to see heroes actually saving innocent civilians That's true, which hasn't been done in a while because it's always just like lucky the city's abandoned now Let's do some lasers on these aliens. Yeah, that's right Exactly. Sometimes I'll dedicate whole movies to how they didn't do that though, you know every now and then it's true Yeah, Civil War, etc. Oh, yeah. Yeah So I'm gonna say a best movie ever

Let's say best movies ever as I wonder if it's gonna be better than the fantastic four if this is going to be the best Marvel movie of the year. We won't actually know that yet Let me stop you you won't you won't you won't know that and I won't know that until that movie comes out He comes and then even probably giving it a little bit of time to think about to think about it to reflect to reflect We are going to do spoilers right here to sit in that fantastic number four. That's right, whatever that is. Yes. Yes Yes time for spoilers James big-time spoilers. That's right Um, I'll tell you this, you know, one of the reasons that I'm I like this movie Why is that because it didn't just do all the things I was fully expecting it to do

Yeah, I wasn't like well it like with a lot of these movies and sometimes people will be like, how did you know that movie is going to play out like that? Because we've seen a hundred movies, at least. And we always know like we just, our predictions for a movie is whatever the first draft thought is. You know what I mean? It's just like, well, obviously the twist is going to turn out to be this because that's the first thing anybody would think of and they're not going to do a second draft.

Yep. That's right. But this movie did a bunch of stuff that I was not expecting. Give me one example. You can give me two if you want, but maybe start with one. One example would be I thought that there was going to be a bigger reveal at the end. So the lack of surprises for you. You know what I did like is the fact- I thought there was going to be more punch at the end.

I thought it was going to be better. And that was surprising to me that they chose not to. I like the fact that this didn't end in a huge punch up necessarily. It was some punching, but it just didn't end with, you know, just a sky full of lasers and punching. That was good. I thought it was nice that it ended on, you can be surprised when these people got you back and that's nice. And you have an existential crisis or whatever.

I was surprised even though I knew it was going to happen that Taskmaster gets 10 seconds in this before getting shot in the head. She does however get full credit in the, she gets a full title line in the credits and she gets a line. She gets a line in the movie. You see her face. It's Olga Kulienko. Yep.

Um, I hope she got half a million dollars. I, she wouldn't have, but you know, I, I, I, cause I know Jake Schreier was talking about like why killing her at the start, it gave you this, it's supposed to give the audience a sense that now anything can happen, but I never thought another thing was going to happen. Absolutely not. So I was never like, oh, there's going to be something as dramatic as that. And they're, because the rest of them, like they live.

So it is what it is. Quite handily. Yeah, it's true. I like the handling of the handling. I like Sentry's inclusion in this. Do you want to just talk briefly about where Sentry comes from in the comics? Oh boy. And how much of this they do.

What I will tell you is that a friend of the show, Chris over at Comic Tropes, did a video on the Sentry, but the Sentry's origin in the comics is a little bit meta. The idea was, hey, we in the real world created this character. Marvel had this character, but we all somehow forgot about it. And the idea of the character in continuity is that the Sentry was a man named Robert Reynolds who gained incredible superpowers, became one of the Marvel Universe's greatest heroes. But in doing so, his powers also brought forth a being called the Void. And to prevent the Void from destroying the world,

he had to erase everyone's memories of him in the world. So he erased the memories from everybody on Earth, including all his superhero friends. And then the idea is in the original Century Limited series that he regains his memory, including himself. He erased the memory even from himself, and he remembers that he's the sentry then he realizes Well, if I remember I'm the sentry the voids coming Yeah, and so and yes to convince all the heroes one by one So that he is real and you you briefly mentioned this but they also they went I was it what was it? What magazine did they do this in was it wizard? I can't remember

This is in the comic tropes videos where basically they also lied and said that this was a character that they were initially going to include in the 60s that got lost to time and they had an interview with Stan Lee about him whatever. Whatever man could fly. It was Superman basically. But he was depressed. And so yeah they really like they did work on that meta level and in the end it's obviously revealed that the Sentry and the Void are the same being. Yes. And because of this this character Bob, Robert, as bipolar, Bobbitt, as bipolar etc. And that's and so they they don't work any of that history stuff into this. No, so in this

is a new super soldier creation. So Julia Louis-Dreyfus' character was the head of some sort of scientific research organization that was trying to build their own superhero... Also she's sad for her own reasons. She's sad for her own reasons. Was she sad? Yeah, they had a flashback to like... Oh yeah. ...Warton, wherever she's from.

Oh yeah, and then someone was like, I'm gonna kill your dad. Yeah. I'm gonna kill your dad. Don't do it! Because, you know, even the worst people can be sad sometimes. It's true. And that's cool. Yeah.

Thank you for saying that about me. But yeah, so he's created this, they've created the Sentry program. They tested a bunch of people with this experimental procedure. Seemed to have killed them all. It seemed to have killed them all, but Bob evidently was not killed. No. And he's, he's got the full Sentry powers. Yeah. But he also doesn't have a memory of that.

And when he becomes a Sentry or the Void, he doesn't have really an understanding or control of it. Yeah. And again, the Sentry's origin in the comics is pretty elaborate. And again, it's... It's a Super Soldier recreation. Yeah, and it's never, I don't think it's ever really quite worked. Like beyond. Entirely beyond that first initial series. Well he's not like, he's not used much is he? No, and also part of his, part of the dynamic is that every time the sentry does good, the void wants to do something evil. Yeah.

And so they sort of balance each other out, which is difficult to do I think. So just do nothing. Because in the comic books. They're separate. They usually depicted as separate beings Yeah, because the Sentry's power is such that he can manifest these two beings separately But in this it's more of like a it's more of a homelander situation Yeah, he's super humanly strong and vulnerable laser. Eye beams Telekinesis yeah, he can teleport I think or he can just move fast. Or he's very quick. Yeah I don't know. Yeah he kind of you can't even you can't even lay a hand on him really because he seems to have some kind of force field potentially

or telekinetic. Yeah yeah what I would say is that I like Lewis I like Lewis Pullman's performance of the Sentry but I didn't I I usually think of the Sentry in the comics as sort of more aloof and kind of more godlike. I think there's a bit of that when he first rolls in. But then there's a moment where he's like, do you like the hair? I dyed my hair or whatever. To me, the set, like how he looks is more out of his hands. It's just kind of, because in this they've given him they've given him a They've specifically manufactured his design

They've tested out all sorts of costume options and logos and what have you and they dyed his hair cuz blonde is more interesting or have you but like the idea behind the century in the comics is that just He's so powerful. It is sort of manifest a costume and he becomes a more like a godlike being Yeah, so I'm like, you know, this is I guess how more like a god-like being. So I'm like, you know, this is, I guess, how this is, it feels like this is the level at which the MC would approach this character. I can also see why they wouldn't do, he was always there, he was in all the Avengers and whatever. Oh yeah, that's another thing we didn't really talk about.

I think that's too much. I would have loved that though. I think that would have been incredible. Yeah, I mean, I mean, it'd be too much to do. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And also there is a real challenge in bringing in a character of this power level and then what to do with them next, as we've seen in the comics. And if you look at like, I can't even remember the name of the character, that character from Secret Wars who has everybody's powers.

Gaia, maybe? He might be Gaia. Yeah. You've got Drax's arm and- And other powers. The Hulk's feet or whatever. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I think, and then they're very much like, we don't know what to do with this and this was a bad idea. So this seems to be handled better. They kind of put a lid on this, at least for the moment. Yeah, he's more of a Hulk character, I would say. Because when we get to the post credit sequence, he hasn't transformed into the Sentry in a long time. Also he changes, like when he...

His hair goes back. His hair goes back. Well I guess he can do whatever. Because he can do that. I think his aloofness does as he... the longer he is as the Sentry and after he gets in that fight, I think his aloofness kind of comes through then. When he realises the level that he is at and how he's stronger than all the Avengers combined and he's basically a god-like being. I think that's when

you kind of see that. But I also, so when he does become the void, apparently, so you'll do like a shadow power on you and you will turn into like, you will disappear into a void and the shadow will be left. That's apparently inspired by the Hiroshima. No, like the nuclear blast. So, yeah, it's a pretty like terrifying visual. But there is a moment where you see a little girl get shadowed. And I'm like, oh, this is going to be reversed. Yeah, like there's no.

Yeah. Every single person that this happens to. Well, I actually went you you skipped the premiere to this. I did. Yeah, because you didn't feel like it. But I was there and I ran into the sands man's boys Yeah, and we had a conversation about like what could the what could the MCU do at this point to shock us? And we did say yeah child murder, but like obviously not in this sense in the sense of like, you know They're they're blipped away. They're gonna get flipped back. There's no way in this world that they that They'd be like well, you know, your alter ego killed this kid and never coming back.

Obviously that would shoot tasks taskmaster in the head, but that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. Well, the other thing, the other thing that I'm just a victim of human trafficking would be surprised by that's true, would be like a kind of meta thing like I think eventually they are going to live, they are going to run into like a Jack Kirby or a Stan Lee. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's inevitable. Yeah. A James Gunn, do you think? They might be going to

the DCU and they meet James Gunn. Kevin Smith. Kevin Smith would be there. Yeah. I reckon Kevin Smith will probably bring Foggy Nelson back from the dead. That's right. And Spider-Man will swing him through the city. Matt Murdock will be like, bring him back, please Kevin Smith, please. It'd be snitch to the nooch if you brought back my bread foggy. It would be snitch to the nooch, yeah. So yeah, after the void starts voiding everybody. Oh, you know what I really like? There's a conversation between the Red Guardian and Yelena about how she's a shitty person. She's lived a shitty life and she's miserable.

And it's your fault, Dad. Yeah. I think his speech is like genuinely moving. I think that is really well written and their relationship is really well fleshed out I've always I always liked I think Black Widow is a better movie than people give it credit for in particular like I think the relationship stuff in that really a lot of time works and You know David Harbour big dad energy So I think and he brings a lot of that to this yes And I think that that's a pretty strong element of this movie But yeah

I know you talked about earlier but when they're inside the void and it is like Going through your memories eternal sunshine of the spotless mind situation They got a kind of convince Bob to to stop doing a big a big void on everybody one of the criticisms I saw of that particular scene is that we didn't see everybody's internal turmoil Okay, yeah. But I, first of all, I kind of think that, you know, some of those characters have had that worked through before. Like there's a, I got a big laugh in the theater when, you know, they were

like, how did you get through all your stuff? And Bucky's like, yeah, I had a perfect life. It's fine. Don't worry about it. I thought it was fun. And people are like, well, shouldn't we have seen some of that? Yeah, but I mean, he's been in several movies. We've seen that they have dealt with that. You know, he got his own series. We see his flashbacks all the time. It's fine. We don't understand. I think it's okay to do a throwaway kind of thing.

I really did like, I loved the fight where they all try to team up on Sentry. And it's not like a fight at all. It's just, and the moment where like Bucky's like, he takes his jacket off and he's like, all right, I'm ready. But he's just, he doesn't even, it doesn't even make a mark on him. I thought that was really good. And just as an exploration of how powerful the Sentry is, visually I thought that was interesting. It also doesn't even really feel like he's trying.

No, he's not. He could just not move, it would say. But no, I like that. I think you're seeing a character of, yeah, like a bat magnitude in these ground level heroes. Yeah, I thought it was fun. Anyway, so what's Thunderbolt's asterisk mean, Mason? Turns out it's just New Avengers.

That's right. You happy with that? Oh, you were also looking for a bigger Norman Osborn reveal. I thought there would have been one. I guess they weren't going to do that. Yeah, that's Oh, you were also looking for a bigger Norman Osborn reveal. I thought there would have been one. I guess they weren't going to do that. Yeah, that's fine I guess. But I think maybe to some people the idea of new Avengers, like that is a big reveal. Yeah.

But to me I'm like, no, team's a team. Yeah, exactly. I mean, also they really kind of hang a hat on it with like, look at these losers. I enjoyed that actually. That's something that I appreciated is that they was the idea that they're the new Avengers in this universe, but they also to some degree the new Avengers in the real world. Yeah. There are going to be people like, no, no, why don't they just bring back Captain America and Thor and Iron Man? Because they are expensive. They're real

expensive to bring those guys back. Several of them are dead. Yeah. You know, you can't just do that. Why don't they just, well because they can't. And we did it already. Because real world concerns are there. Absolutely. And so I like the fact that they were like, all the media attention was like, no they're the Beevengers, they suck, they're bad. I don't like them, who's this loser? This guy's

a loser. I feel like also it's a throwback to when they first revealed that they were making these movies in the mid mid-2000s. And the articles were like Marvel rolls out its B-team because it's Captain America, it's Iron Man, it's Thor. It's like who gives a shit about any of these characters. And again now obviously yes, but it felt like similar to that but in universe. And I'm not saying that these characters will like reach the heights of those because they probably won't. But I think it also they realized at this point that you can't really replace the Avengers so why not just be like this

you know this and we know nobody really likes this or thinks this is cool but you know so we're gonna acknowledge that and it's also interesting that Sam Wilson owns the copyright to the Avengers apparently because he's starting his own Avengers team taking his bloody time though. Yeah. What have you been doing? Well see that's what I'm saying at least this is a fully... Who have you got? Other Falcon? Well they've got... That sucks too. Here is who he's got assuming that the um... Assuming that the actors will come back. He's got Other Falcon. Yep. I'll be back. Probably Bruce Banner. Bruce Banner. Will he be back? Probably. He's too busy not being and now you see me three. Out of three. Captain Marvel. Yep. Shang-Chi.

But again, they've not been in anything together. We don't know. Doctor Strange maybe. Doctor Strange maybe. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, this feels-

Also, that's going to be hand waved away immediately. They'll do, I think they'll do it in Avengers Doomsday. They'll arrive at the same location at the same time. They're like, who are you? You're not the Avengers, aren't the Avengers? You're not even the Avengers. And then they'll just be the Avengers. Yeah, they'll arrive at the same location at the same time. Yeah, like who are you? And then they'll just be the Avengers yeah, they're all just the Avengers I mean Maybe it would have been more accurate to call them like the Dark Avengers or just keep them as the Thunderbolts that would have been Would have been fine, but I guess it's a fun little

Meta-twist I guess to be like I guess I think it should have been All right, um Let's do post credits. Okay. The mid one is the Red Guardian serial. Do we got any other? Apparently they were giving away those weirdies boxes, you can get them. For free. No, I think you probably have to pay for them. How much money they cost me? Heaps. I don't want to buy that actually. So the Red Guardian's in a supermarket and he's like look at me. Oh yeah, that's fun. Bit of fun. But the real post credits is, which apparently was filmed about a month ago, according to Jake Schreier.

He goes, I didn't film that scene. I was there when it was filmed. And I can say that it comes from the set of a production that might be starting production right around now. So it might be fun for people to stay and watch. So it's very clearly set, shot on the set of Avengers, Doomsday and whatever they're doing. Bucky also has a wig, it seems.

He's got Sebastian Stan's got a beautiful... Oh yes. Because he's currently, if you see him in real life during interviews, he's shaved his head. He's just shaved his head, yeah. But I think he's had shorter hair more recently as well. Anyway, so it's a year on and they're talking about how their team sucks. They look pretty good in their little outfits though. John Walker didn't bend his shield back. What is his shield anyway? He was bouncing around. Did he make you get a vibranium one? Looked a bit scratched up too, Mason. Yeah, see that's the thing as well. In the MCU, there's not as much reverence for the

Captain America shield as well. Like what's the deal with Captain America's original shield? Like it's been in bits? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know either. Just works most of the time. It's pretty bulletproof it seems. I like his little G.I. Joe hat that he had on. That was fun too. Duke. What are they called?

A Kangal? It might be a Kangal. It's probably Beret. Beret. Beret. Beret to you. Thank you. Anyway, it's a Fantastic Four shows up inter-dimensionally.

I would love to know how many other people were spoiled by the... Because right before you see that post credit... Oh yeah, I was spoiled by that. I was spoiled. But right before you see the post credit sequence, it's all the music. All the music's there. All the music listed in order. And the last song was Fantastic Four main title theme. And I'm like, oh, okay, I know what's happening. We haven't heard that yet. And then we did. We heard it just now. According to IGN, Thunderbolts has a post-credit scene for two minutes and 54 seconds. That is the longest

post-credit scene of any MCU project. If you say so. Well, apart from Rogers the Musical from the Hawkeye television show. If you say so. So I guess it isn't then. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think this one felt like a post-credits to something that I do care about. Right. Which has, it's been a while. It's been a while.

It's been a while, Mason. Should I get some reviews here going from people who watch this? Please. And send them to us? This is from Will who says, I had fun with it. Solid B+. I'm not sure if it kind of ruined the experience for me or made it better, but I kept finding myself comparing the movie to Suicide Squad and finding that this movie did everything better. Not that that is hard to do.

I also thought the Bob story did Joker better than Joker. Depression, etc. Oh, sure. I kept wanting to give the guy a hug and some encouraging words. Yeah, I think he did give a really good performance in that sense, very vulnerable. Ryan says, I really liked it, but I think the response is overhyped. What amazed me is how much it felt like a phase one movie, seems smaller, good actors, but not really huge names, contains story and with teasers at the end.

Also sadly, the music credits, spoiler, spoil the last credits, yep. Aira says, maybe my expectations are too high. Like I said, Brave New, like I expected Brave New World to be a shit show with all those reshoots and poor reviews, so I was fine with it just being passable. This was much better, but my expectations were so high, it felt like a letdown.

Harry says, great in-camera stunts, clever, sparse, and effective VFX. Florence, pew pewiu was amazing. Love the emotional resolution to the story and very creative depiction of mental health. Bipolar representation for the win. Had a blast, a cry and a laugh. A great outing. And Greg says, best movie ever.

Best Marvel movie in a while and a refreshing shot in the arm. Oh, we should call them Marvel movies. Agreed. A refreshing shot in the arm. Is it too late to start calling them Marvel movies? Nah, we can do it now. Okay, great. Refreshing shot in the arm for the franchise just in time for the Doomsday slash Secret.

The Marvie Cine Uni. Oh, that's good, Mason. I think it's good. You ever going to be sick of having such great ideas? No. All right, then. It looks like a rush of genius every time. Like taking the limitless pill?

Like taking the limitless pill. But all the time. All the time. You don't even need it. I don't need the limitless pill. Yeah, because it. All the time. You don't even need it. I don't need the limitless pill. Yeah, because it's not real also. That's true. Great. Cool. Old and Old movies. Pretty good. I think it'll probably make about 500 million. Is that good? Yeah, pretty good.

It's good enough. Good. Good for them. I think it will be remembered fondly-ish. Do you think this podcast will make 500 million dollars? Eventually, if we do it for long enough. I think so too. If we can live a thousand years. Oh my god we can do it. All right uh you know what it's time for? What's it time for? What do you think it's time for? What are we reading? Yep. What are we gonna read? Correct. Nice. I'm doing the thing. You've been watching Home Improvement reruns? No. Would you watch a reboot? No. I think one of the kids is bad stuff in real life.

Would you watch that? No. I don't want to watch that in real life. Would you watch the show if he returns as a redemption arc for all the terrible things he really did? So his redemption arc is he gets money to star in a reboot if the TV show if he returns as a redemption arc for all the terrible things he really did? So his redemption arc is he gets money to star in a reboot of the TV show he was on as a kid. Yeah.

You're okay with that? I wouldn't watch that. I'm not okay with that and I wouldn't watch that. Okay, great. Mason, you know what I've read? I've been reading with my son. It's a series of comic books. Well, I've read in the first volume of Wayne called Wayne Family Adventures by CRC Payne

and Kyle Lame-Sabel. Oh yes. Basically it's set within the Batman household. So Duke moves into the Bat family, the Wayne manor. Duke, the signal Duke. Yeah, that's right. But also in there is like Nightwing's living there at the moment and Damien Wayne and Tim Drake. What, they all lose their jobs? Yeah, basically.

And they're all and others. I was going to say Carrie Kelly. That's not her. She's from the future. Correct. But others. And they're basically like slice of life comics, like little very short stories of like little adventures that they they have. It's not dissimilar than like the Teen Titans TV show, I guess, in kind of tone. Yeah, not as kind of wacky. But my son and I have been reading that together at night.

And it's just a fun, like it's... At night with a K? Yeah, at night with a K. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Like they'll do things like they play like a Mario Kart style game, and the loser has to wear Dick Grayson's original Nightwing costume. On the disco collar one. On the disco collar one, and Red Hood ends up having to wear it and whatever and you know he's embarrassed.

It's a bit of fun. I think it's great. It's really just again fun slice of light. My son at the moment he loves all the Bat family stuff like all the interactions and all of that and you know it's also very true to like the lore and also like the tone of like those characters you know it doesn't stray too far from very good from all of that well then perhaps if your son enjoyed reading that he can enjoy what I've been reading oh yeah

which is also the bat man that's right I didn't misspeak James it's the bat hyphen man much it's I've been reading I read the Batman first night which is a retelling it came out last year, but it's a retelling of one of the early Batman stories, but like a modern take on it. Is it from DC? It is from DC, it's part of the DC Black Label collection. It's written by Dan Jergens and illustrated by Mike Perkins, so Jergo and Perko. Jergo and Perko.

Jergo and Perko. But it's essentially, it's a retelling of Batman and the Monster Men. Yeah. It's one of the early, very early... Can I see that? Yeah, have a look at that. Oh, I like that a lot. It's essentially...

Or Gothic Mason. Yeah, it's essentially, yeah, it's a retelling of this old story, but it's got very modern, it's got very modern artwork. Is it set in that era? Yeah, it's set in the 30s. Yeah, okay. So, but the art is incredible and it's the old Batman design like the very the very You know the purple gloved version. Yeah

But it's all effing and Jeff and and it's like a very yeah, it's very very very modern It looks like they both F and Jeff. Yeah, it's it sort of looks like a Like a matinee like if they did the old time Batman series. I was going to say, it looks like the cover looks like a poster for that kind of... It does, yeah. Yeah. But I think the art looks incredible and it's very kind of, you know, looks real, man. Is it a graphic novel?

What is it? It was three issues, but there's a collective edition. Bat-Dash-Man? Bat-Dash-Man. First Knight with a K. It was three issues, but there's a collective edition. Bat's Dash Man? Bat's Dash Man. First Knight with a K. Does it introduce the Joker, etc.? No. It tells this very specific story.

It tells this very specific story. Is it Bruce Wayne and so on? It is Bruce Wayne, yeah. There are supporting characters that you'd recognize. Commissioner Gordon is in there. Julie Madison is there. One of his earliest loves. I've never heard of this.

No Alfred yet because they hadn't invented Alfred yet. Why not? He hasn't even been born. Nah. Great. I'm going to check that out if I remember. Remind me. It's pretty cool. I also was on the Big Sandwich website the other day, Mason, this afternoon. My son was like, what's that? Why is it called Big Sandwich? And I'm like, well, and I played him the clip, the Big Sandwich clip that he is in

from like five years ago when he was much, much younger and it blew his mind. He was like, my God. Does he want money for that? Yeah, he wants money for it. So how much you got on you? Any money on me, James. I'm spending it all subscribing to big sandwichandwich.co for nine US dollars per month.

He doesn't mind if you go to the bank. He's not going to mind that. On a Saturday. Yeah, he's not going to mind that. What if the bank is out of money and closed? Well, he's not going to mind that. That's what I figured. Yeah. What is the date today, Mason? Let's have a look. What week are we on? It is the third of May, James.

Yeah. So this week at BigSandwich.coco we looked at a James Bond comic book called Your Cold, Cold Heart. Yeah. Fantastic. Written by Garth Ennis. Yeah. It's famously creative of the boys. Yeah, so really good. So we talked about that this week, but there's a bunch of other stuff.

We recently looked at the Jason Bourne video game next week. We've got a commentary for The Running Man. Oh, that's a good one. And so on. So there's so much. Sign up early for our commentary for The Running Man. Oh that's a good one. And so on. So there's so much. Sign up early for our commentary for The Running Man because let me tell you, there's a very special guest that appears for most of it. Probably too much.

Probably too much of the, but he appears and let me tell you. You weren't even there for a lot of it. I wasn't there for most of it. So you must have listened back to it. Yes, that's correct. To hear what he said. Let me tell you, he's an Austrian bodybuilder slash movie star. Yeah.

With a very funny voice. Let me tell you that much. Oh, I also watched another simple favour, which is a sequel to... Oh, is that going to be streaming? Yeah, it's on Prime. Okay. It's the Paul Fiegg sequel to the Paul Fiegg movie starring Anna Kendrick and Blake Lively. I remember liking that first one. Is it good?

Yeah, it's fun. It's... I don't know if you recall the last one, but Anna Kendrick, ordinary suburban mom. Yeah. Aren't we all? She runs into fabulous Blake Lively, who's a kind of, you know, just a fabulous individual with a lot of kind of dark secrets. Yeah. And spoiler alert, at the last one, at the end of the last movie, Anna Kendrick sends her to jail. Yeah.

But she's back in this one. And this time she's like, I'm getting mad. I'm out of jail and I'm getting married. You're my mate of honor. Get on. Henry Golding doesn't like that. He doesn't like it at all. Should I watch it? Yeah.

All right. I'll check it out. Um, I think it's generally a bit of fun. I'm not sure in, is it better than Paul Fiegg's Ghostbusters 2016? Yes, it is. I think it is. It's a big call. Because that's a movie that you love. That's not true. But not for the reasons that

other people don't love it. Oh yeah. That's right. I have my own special reasons that are unique to me. I thought it was pretty fun. I don't know in having, I watched it yesterday, does the, because it's all filled with intrigue and you know, double crossing and etc. Does it all make sense? I don't know. Only watched it once. But I thought it was fun. It's fun vibe, you know? What would they call the third one? Nae3Me? They would call it that. I would have called this an even simpler favour.

Wow. The most simple favour you can possibly give a person. Can you go down the shops? How simple was the favour though? She said can you go down the shops? Yeah, that's pretty simple. Depending what for, but that's pretty doable. Can you get me a cheese and bacon pull apart at Baker's Delight? Oh yeah? But maybe they're out.

Then you've got to be like, then you're going to text them while they're out. Do you want something else? And they're like, yeah, can you go to Brombie's? And I'm like, I don't want to. I don't like Brombie's. I don't want to go. Do they even sell those at Brombie's? Yeah.

Am I even thinking of Brombie's? I don't guess. Yeah. I have to cross the other side of the mall. Gotta cross the mall. God. This simple favor isn't that simple after all. It turns out it isn't. Do you wanna do some letters while you're here? Let's do some letters.

We don't normally, but let's actually do it this time. No, we normally do it. Here's the theme to this. Yeah, can we give it a go? The classic one was letters. This new? This theme? No. But for 10 years.

Why don't we play it through the computer? In a way we are playing it through the computer. It is computers. It is computers, isn't it? I mean, that's undeniable. It's undeniable this is computers. Mason, this is the letter segment of the show. And would you like to know how to reach the show?

I kind of would, yeah. It's quite easy. You're on it, so that's probably the easiest way. I can ask you or myself. Yes. If I can even ask me while I'm when it's just me. Yeah, if you're not Nick Mason or me, Mr. Sunday movies, that's right. Famous YouTuber. Embarrassing. What an embarrassing thing to be and say. Also middling more than famous. I would have. You can go into the Planet Broadcasting Great Mates Facebook group where there's a thread every week or Shoot Mason the shortest goddamn Gmail you could at weeklyplanetpod.gmail.com and we don't mean just one word or whatever

You know, we've seen it all. Should I say you've seen it all. That's so true, isn't it? Do you want to go first? Yeah, I'd love to. There's an email from Avery. Avery. Did James and Maceau- Like the bird house? Yes. Like you'd give a bird- This is from an aviary. Hello, James and Maceau. I'm an aviary and I've achieved sentience.

Whoa. Probably because of all the bird poop. I don't think that's true, but go on. What are you calling aviary a liar? I'm not saying anything. I think, with your attitude, you're saying something, I think. It's a very skeptical attitude. Like you don't think that this aviary's gained sentience because of all the bird poop.

I'm allowed to think things and not say them. That's not a crime Mason. It is now. What? We just had an election and now it is a crime. I don't like this. Well too bad. You're not allowed to not like things anymore.

Well you're under arrest. Maybe you're under arrest. I don't want that. I actually don't know what the results of the election are yet So one of us is definitely under arrest. Probably bad though. Yeah, absolutely. It's not good Because things don't get better. No, why would that that's so true impossible? Yeah, but uh, a VURI says a long time Listener a big fan unless you do something crook in which case I never liked you. That's it. Yeah I've been listening for more than 10 years now

I just want to say thanks for all the good times and making my day at work more enjoyable. My question is, is there a minor character that you like that got severely misused in an adaptation, so now you're mad that you're gonna have to wait years to even see them again? Oh my god, that is such a good question. Aviary says, from their perspective as the birdcage, presumably watching TV as a birdcage. Brought to life by bird poop, your words. I think so, yeah. No, great, gain sentience.

A life is probably magic. A life worth living. Yeah, absolutely. For me it is Graviton, who in Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes is the reason the Avengers assemble in the first place. In the MCU, he's an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. and starts as another character, and they turn him into Graviton last second

before he's defeated easily. Oh, I didn't even know that Graviton. Yeah, Graviton is in that. Deathlock is also in that. I didn't know that. They look like they weren't going to be, that was not going to be Deathlock, but then it was. Then it was. That's exactly right. Yeah, that's such a good question. I feel like, what's the journalist's name in Daredevil? Who? Sam Ulrich?

Worthington. Yeah, Sam Worthington. Yes, Sam Worthington. Ben Urich. Ben Urich, sorry. Uh-huh. I think he's a great character, a great ongoing character. And would have worked in Spider-Man.

Spider-Man if Peter Parker ever worked for the Daily Bugle probably. And not to say that he wasn't a good character in Daredevil. It was and now his daughter is in the new Daredevil series. And yeah, but I do like that as an ongoing there's more than one reporter yeah in the marvel universe that's so true of note but I think he also was used really well in in Netflix's Daredevil yeah you got another one to think of another one to think of think of what about Scar Hulk's son with the haircut oh yes what a waste would you say your favorite character no not true at all.

I think Jane Foster Thor maybe? I mean, we'll probably see her again anyway, but like... As Natalie, as played by Natalie Thorne? Yeah, I liked her. I thought... No, I mean, but will Natalie Thorne come back? Oh, no, probably not. No, I don't think so. I mean, there's some minor villains like...

Or what was that eternity thing also in that Thor movie? That the end, they go into the volume and then eternity yeah yeah yeah is that I mean go the God Butcher yeah certainly that's an incredible comic that they did not do justice to really yeah frog Thor I'd like to see him again absolutely he's only in that jar. Just all Thor stuff for me. Were you happy with new Falcon? What's going to happen to him? Once he gets better. I'm indifferent. Because he fell over.

He did fall over, it's true. Because you haven't thought of a single one yet. I haven't thought of any. Just reminding you of that. And I never will. Yeah. This talking birdcage has really thrown you through a loop. That is true, actually. Do you want to come back to it?

I'll come back to it later. All right. You won't. Tom Russell says, good question though, was there a movie that passed you by on release and when you finally got around to it was shocked by how much you enjoyed it? The one that comes to mind because I just watched it was the Jeremy Renner Jason Bourne movie. Yeah.

Pretty fucking good. Pretty good, right? Yeah. Yeah. Pretty fucking good. Pretty good, right? Yeah. Yeah, really surprising. And it's also, and I guess this shouldn't be surprising because Tony Gilroy directed it who's working on Andor. Oh, that's true. Yeah, that makes sense that it is good.

I should also watch Michael Clayton. I don't think I've seen it. It's a good movie. Yeah, I've heard good things. But I watched another one that he did about espionage and secrets in different, in, in different industries and Clive Owens in it or something. The born identity. Yeah. I'm thinking of the born identity.

The born identity. Hang on. Tony Gilroy movie. Is it duplicity? Uh, he isn't. Yeah. Was that the one? Yeah.

Yeah, it is. It's duplicity. Yeah. They're industrial spies. Yeah. That's right. Paul G. Marty's in it.

That duplicity I really liked actually. Yeah. God, they get industrial spies. Yeah. That's right. Paul G. Martin's in it. That duplicity I really liked actually. Yeah. God, they gave that $60 million. I would never give that movie $60 million now. Yeah. No freaking way, man. What's a movie, Mason?

I don't know. I've seen every movie though. That's the thing. But what's a movie you hadn't seen and then you did see it? Because that's the point, isn't it? No, but I've- That you hadn't seen the movie and then you saw the movie. No, but currently I've seen every movie.

Yeah, but there would have been a time when you hadn't have seen a movie. No, what happens with me is as soon as a movie comes out, I've seen it. Really? Even the movies that came out before you were born? Correct, yes. Okay, so how did you say them? In the womb. In the womb. Even the ones that were before you were in the womb? You saw them in the womb? Yeah. I don't think your mom's got a little glass screen or I don't think she's forcing a little camera little screen in there to see so you can watch movies. I just don't think that's true. You caught me in a lie.

You caught me in a lie, all right? Yeah. Is this something that you also want to come back to? No, I would like to cover this one now. All right, fine. If you wouldn't mind. I'm not that bit of a wight. Go.

So movies that I overlooked at the time. So when it came out, I didn't see it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, War Zone? I mean that came to... I saw that when it came out on DVD because it didn't get a cinema release in Australia. Good point Mason. Hmm, I've seen most movies. See that's the thing, I've seen most movies. You've seen too many movies. Yeah. See because there's a lot of movies that I've seen, I've come to see, that were made before I was born.

Yeah. But I didn't miss those. No, and you're like, I've heard this is good and then I saw it. And it was good. Good point. Yeah. I've seen most movies. I just love movies. Yeah, okay. All right. Well, that's the answer, I guess.

You got another letter? Yeah, I'll find another one. Two very poor answers from Nick Mason. Let me just say. Sometimes they have good answers, though. Not this week. This week, bad answers. Do you want me to do a letter?

Yeah, do it. Christian says, hey, fellas, my son is graduating college this week. He persevered through some unforeseen events and come out stronger for it. Hell yeah, that's awesome. He's a big fan and you guys are an easy way for him and I to check in. I'd love you to give a shout out to Logan and let him know how proud his mom and I are. Logan! Logan!

Congratulations! Good for you, Logan. We're doing Professor X voice. No, this is my regular voice. This is Mason's regular voice. Incredible, well done. And obviously your parents are very proud of you and more importantly We're doing Professor X voice. No, this is my regular voice. This is Mason's regular voice. Incredible. Well done. And obviously your parents are very proud of you.

And more importantly, we're proud of you. That's right. And that's good. We're more proud than your parents are. Agreed. Mm-hmm. Even though we contributed less. So true, isn't it?

Well, you know. Yeah. This is the Dunning-Kruger effect at work, wouldn't you say? I think so. Absolutely, yes. Now that's awesome. This is from DJ. DJ?

Another nonsense internet debate. Hi guys. I've been seeing this trend this week and I figured I'd post the question to you. That's awesome. This is from DJ. DJ? Another nonsense internet debate. Hi guys, I've been seeing this trend this week and I figured I'd post the question to you. Is this the gorilla one? Who would win in a fight, a hundred men or a gorilla? I feel like this shouldn't even be a conversation, but like Mos Eisley, the internet is a wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Very good. It's a good reference. What do they think it is? Doesn't say. I think a hundred men could beat a gorilla. Do the hundred men have any weapons? I would doubt it, but tactics, communication. Gorillas also gas really quickly.

I was going to say, yeah. Yeah, they tire out very quickly. And I knew this before this debate was even. But what you need to factor in here is that- Cowards. Well, cowards, a good point actually. Yeah. Cowards and also you have to factor in that if you're one of the first couple of guys,

you're dead. Absolutely. Also, my assumption here is that the gorillas riled up. Yeah. Right? And all the men are surrounding, all people are surrounding the gorilla. Yeah, gorillas tire out very quickly But also like how you kill in that gorilla. Yes your strongest punch

No, it would have to be do nothing to it would have to be sheer weight and gouging and like just a wave of price gouging Yeah, so he can't even afford his banana It would have to be like that if you you would have to kill the gorilla like you're all fighting for your life Mmm, so I think at a certain point like your survival instincts would kick in okay And a hundred people could could beat a gorilla. Yes, if it was ten gorillas No, no, absolutely not. But uh, maybe even five people couldn't kill but one I would say so just sheer volume I and it depends like a hundred what kind of men what are we talking about? Is it like? Average sized men is it is it a range of like men of different ages?

Right boy like I did that depends too. I think would have to be the age range of how of mr. Beast arranges people, you know, what is a we put 100 people- We put 100 people, one year old to 100 years old to fight a gorilla. That's right, that's what we're doing, 100 people, one year old to 100 year old. Yeah, no I think a gorilla- Better odds for the gorilla there. The gorilla would probably survive that, I'd imagine. But yeah, but also bearing in mind like, it would be a massacre. Gorillas are, like the strength of a gorilla is insane.

I would love somebody, and somebody's probably already done it, to run a simulation of this. Like program people, you know, with very basic, you know, problem-solving skills and a gorilla and just see what happens. Would you like Mr. Beast to do it for real though? I would like him to be one of the hundred. It's terrific. If he's going to do it and all of his dumb mates. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. But who would feed all the starving Africans if Mr. Beast was torn in half by a gorilla?

Who would help 100 people seeing eye dogs? Who would do that? That's a really good point, isn't it? What about 100 seeing eye dogs versus your gorilla? I think they'd be friends. Yeah, probably. Do you think the men would be riled up? I think they'd be afraid. Yeah, probably. You say, do you think the men would be riled up? I think they'd be afraid. Yeah, I would be. I wouldn't be the first person to attack a gorilla. Well, I think that's what you've got to factor in as well. But it would eventually kick off. Like, it would have to kick off at some point.

And if everybody's very slowly, like, chipping away at the gorilla. What is their incentive, though? Survival. Because they're not going to sit there and let a gorilla like smash her head in one. No, I mean that's true but also like I think 99% of people in this situation, especially when that first guy gets his head pulled off, they're just going to run. Yeah. I mean to where? I don't know where they are. Are you imagining a zoo enclosure? I'm imagining like a big white warehouse.

Okay, right, right. So you can really see the blood. I guess I imagined just like an open... Field? The jungle. Okay. At which point I'd be like, well, the first guy will get torn to shreds and then everybody will run and then the gorilla will just tire itself out.

Yeah. And that's not a victory for the men. No. It's a... You're right. That's a... There are a variety of factors at play here. It's a victory. Sleepy time man. Who sends everybody to sleep.

There's a great game, it's called Ape Out, about an ape escaping a facility. And it's also set to jazz music whenever you kill somebody. That might give you an example of what will happen. A gorilla massacre basically. But honestly, I don't know. That's my answer. I don't know. I was expecting you to know. Depends on the men, depends on the gorilla, depends on the setting, it depends on a bunch of stuff. But yeah. But I think we've defended it. What about 100 podcasters versus a gorilla? Jo Rogan's in there.

Yeah, he'd first to die I reckon. You reckon? Yeah. It would depend on what's, is it an even spread of normal podcasters and people who've been podcasting since they were small children? Oh, okay. Because they would die. Yeah. I think the normal ones like us, we'd run. I would definitely run.

Mason, I've got one here from Kenny who says, do you boys do improv together or separately? Or not at all? I picked up a lot of yes-ing, yes-and-ing over the years, but recently there was a zip zap zoom reference or the local non-union equivalent. I don't remember. No, no, no. We just know each other a long time. And you can pay a lot of money for an improv course, but I think yes-and is the...

They shouldn't have revealed yes-and. No, that's what you're paying for that's the free tidbit they should have they shouldn't have let that loose in the public because that's the that's the simplest concept you know what I mean and you can that's the most useful part of it your favorite thing in an improv is when someone goes oh I've got nothing that's your favorite that's my favorite thing because it gets a laugh no matter what yeah it gets a laugh no matter what and it, it gets a laugh no matter what. And it brings it to a grind, a grinding halt. Because this situation they're in is so crazy. Yeah.

They got nothing. I got nothing, mate. And that is funny, and inherently funny in itself. Yeah. Uh, Mason, what's a movie that you passed on that you finally got around to? Goodfellas. No, that... Wait, when did that come out?

1991. Oh, then I'm... Yeah, I love Goodfellas. You got around to it. I didn't get around to it. I didn't get around to it I didn't get around to it when I was 10 or whatever. Yeah. So. Cool. It's pretty great. We did it. No, no, no, no, no, no. You got any more? Who's a minor character that got severely misused in adaptation? See my first thought was Speaking of agents of shield. Yeah ghost rider in that. There was a guy

Rumors that he's gonna come back? Maybe. I am gonna say Deathlock. I said Deathlock before and I stand by it. Whoa, agents of shield, you can fuck off. It's just how they did Cyborg in Smallville. True. Just a guy and they're like,

yeah, he's got robot body parts, but they're all internally. And he's wearing a hoodie. Yeah. And it's like, nah, man, I want the crazy cut in half face with the robot parts. He's rotting. Yeah. He's got all these guns. All right.

You're right. The robot part of him is like, we must do killing. And he's like, don't do killing, man. Oh, I don't want you to. Exactly. Bobby Moss was in it. How about that? Happy with that?

Fine. Yep. Great. All right. All right. Bobby Rays. Oh, you mentioned him. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. And the other thing was Goodfellas. Yeah, exactly. That is a good movie that came out while I was alive. I feel I should have the, should have had the option to see it. To watch it in 1991. No, I mean like the movie that I picked should have been one that I was, I could have seen it in cinemas. Yeah. Okay. I chose not

to, you know. All right. So I still don't have an answer. What was your answer again? I forgot. Ben O'Rich. No. No, no, no. What? The other one. The movie. Oh, the movie. Jason Bourne. You've also watched that. I did. It's true. But that can't be my answer. It has to be a different answer.

Yes, it can. Okay, it can. But it's Goodfellas. Is that the show? I think that's the whole show. And it's Goodfellas. That's right. A couple of Goodfellas here Is that the show? I think that's the whole show. And it's Goodfellas. That's right. A couple of Goodfellas here. Where are they? I'm looking at one. These are behind you, yeah. Yeah, that's what I figured. Is that mirror that just makes them... Yeah. You're sad? It's my sad mirror, yeah. It's your sad mirror. Okay, right, great. Folks,

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There's also might be a TV show that we're not aware of. I mean, we could do Drop and Nova Kane. Drop is out, apparently good. Crocodile Dundee is getting a re-release. We could do that. I think something's coming out May the 8th. Is that next week? May the 8th be with coming out May the 8th. Is that next week? May the 8th be with you.

May the 8th. It's also Star Wars something, so we might get some Star Wars stuff. That's so true. I would love to do Andor, but we've got two more weeks of Andor. God, Andor's such a good show. It's a good show. Fucking hell, man. Oh, settle down.

What are they doing over there? Oh, they're making the TV show Andor. But it's so good. I agree. Yeah. I agree, James. All right, thank you so much, everybody. We'll see you on the next thing. Grab that gem, you guys. Yeah. I agree, James. All right. Thank you so much, everybody.

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