The Weekly Planet - 585 The Fantastic Four: First Steps

Episode Date: July 28, 2025

It's big movie season and it's time for another big movie! The Fantastic Four: First Steps marks the fourth live action incarnation of the superhero family and there first appearance in the MCU. If you discount John Krasinski in Doctor Strange 2 and Chris Evans in Deadpool & Wolverine WHICH I DON'T. In addition to reviewing that we talk the news of the week including a new Judge Dredd movie, Netflix takes on Assassin's Creed and Captain Planet, trailers for Mortal Kombat 2, Tron: Ares, Predator: Badlands and Avatar 3, James Gunn firing Henry Cavill as Superman and vetoing the Rock taking over the DCU, Kevin Feige on the state MCU and it's recent failures plus a whole lot more! Thanks for listeningYou can also listen to the bonus Brightburn movie commentary track out now on big sandwich! Plus entire back-catalogue of let's play videos, bonus podcasts, movie commentaries, early access and ad-free episodes all available on https://bigsandwich.coPLEASE be aware timecodes may shift up to a few minutes due to inserted ads.00:00 The Start04:14 New Judge Dredd Movie11:52 Assassin's Creed Series17:39 Captain Planet Reboot21:28 Mortal Kombat 2 Trailer26:28 Tron: Ares Trailer28:27 Predator: Badlands Trailer33:09 Avatar 3 Teaser (sort of)33:58 Time's 100 Best Podcasts36:21 How DC Fired Henry Cavill & The Rock37:49 New DCU Projects in the Works39:38 Kevin Feige on Recent Marvel Failures43:41 Recasting MCU Legacy Characters45:05 The Fantastic Four: First Steps Movie Review01:05:20 The Fantastic Four Spoiler Segment01:26:10 What We Reading, What We Gonna Read01:34:22 Letters, It's Time For LettersSUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-moviesThe Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello, it's good to be here. Wow, it's another big movie. It is another big movie. It's big movie time. Did you think it wasn't? Dude, you need to get real. You need to be real with yourself and others. Sometimes I'm on the way here and then I'm like,

oh, I have to do a podcast. What do you think? We're just hanging out? This is monetary, Mason. No, I know. It's very transactional, but sometimes I'm like, oh yeah, I've got to do riffs and stuff. Really?

Which I would do, I think, in real life anyway. See, before you get here, I planned the podcast and I put it together. Interesting. So when you get here, I'm not like, oh, and now I have to podcast, I forgot. And that's cool. And that's why we're a perfect team. That's right. But I appreciate you being here, as does the listeners. Some of them. I think some of them would simply prefer that you read out your notes verbatim, and it took 10 to 12 minutes and then you were like goodbye everyone.

Talk to you next week. I won't be talking to you. No jokes. Some people would definitely prefer that. How long do you think you could knock out these notes in? Oh, like the whole thing? Yep. I can do it in like five minutes.

Yeah, nice. All right. Let's do that one week. Do you want me to do it? Yes! I'll do it now! No! Here's my fantastic four spoiler thoughts, Mason. Go on.

We'll talk about it. Okay. This time code's below if you do want to jump just to that, but because we were a little bit early last week in recording. Now we're a bit late this week. No we're not. We're still a bit early. We're a little early, but not as early.

That's correct, yes. There's some things that carried over from last week which we do want to talk about including the Mortal Kombat 2 trailer. That's right. Including the new Judge Dredd movie. Oh yeah. Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm,ows, mm, Netflix, aw. Yeah. We're going to talk about the Avatar 3 trailer, a trailer that neither of us have seen. That's correct, but it's out there. But it's out there.

Apparently. Predator Badlands also got a trailer. We're going to talk about how Henry Cavill was fired. What? From Warhammer? No, no, no. From Warhammer? From Superman and apparently it seems like The Rock was trying to wrestle the DC away

from... That's classic The Rock, isn't it? Wrestling. Doing a wrestle. Doing a mom. That's classic The Rock Yeah, do it like doing a rassle Loves doing that. Yeah, I was some wrestling news this week. Yeah, we're not gonna bring it up No, we've got nothing nice to say No I think if you've got nothing nice to say about a terrible man You should just infer that you never liked him and you don't want to talk about it exactly

Yeah, and any positive things we may be have said about, even in jest, will be deleted from previous episodes. Our friend Rob Collings is going to do that. He's hard at it. Right now. He's there, he's looking at his own transcripts that he's made of all the episodes. He's like, God, we're going to delete him. Going to delete him, brother. We got DCU's, which is DC News.

I don't like that at all. Well, that's happening. DCU's? No, I don't like that at all. Well, that's happening. DCUs? Yeah. No, I don't like it. It's yous and news. No. Universe and news. No.

We like it here. Oh, I see what you're saying there. Okay, so you've added it's universe. It's the DC universe of news. Yeah. I like it more, but I still don't like it. He likes it, everyone. I dislike it less.

Including a couple of TV shows potentially in the works. Who's working on the next Wonder Woman? Then we've got some MCUs, which is an SMM, Marvel Cinematic Universe news. Okay. Including why Thunderbolts failed. Why Captain America 4 failed. This is from Kevin Feige. Yeah well.

Why other things are failing. Kevin deflect the blame, Feige. Kevin passed his prime, Feige. Whoa, okay. Kevin washed Feige. Whoa, you're coming at him. That's right, I'll do it. No, he's alright.

Yeah? He made a monster go. How are you going to speak of him if he died? You gotta mention he'd been passing? Rest in peace, brother! He seems alright. Yeah, he does, yeah. Yeah, but unless he does something crooked, in which case we never liked it.

That's right. And then of course, what's going to happen with recasting of legacy superhero characters, including Iron Man and Captain America, then Fantastic Four. As mentioned, time goes below because Robert Collings who edits this and is furiously deleting certain sections of the podcast from the past. That's right. He puts them below. Let's go Mason. Let's go. This is by THR. There is another Judge Dredd movie in the works from Taika Waititi.

Hurrah! What? Third Time's a Charm. Third time's a charm. Third time's a charm? Maybe. Because the first one, not good. Correct. Second one, good, but not monetarily successful. So bad. Bad.

Essentially bad. So two baddies to start off with. Two bad ones. So now we're getting this. Third time's another bad one? Well, The Hollywood Reporter says that it's going to take inspiration from the comics. Okay, great. More than the previous screen iterations.

You know what that means? Authentic lawgiver. Oh yeah. Where it looks like a bunch of pipes all put together. Sweet. Just sort of a narrow pipe gun, whatever. Okay. And he talks to it.

And he goes, hello. Exactly. What have you got for breakfast? What's happened? Have you read New Judge Fred? How's that in it? Yeah. Colleagues, why are you delaying things?

No, no, no, no. He doesn't have time. He doesn't have time for this. But just, you've doubted yourself, but you are correct. Judge Dredd gets up in the morning and he asks his gun what's for breakfast? Or he says... What have you had for breakfast? What have you had for breakfast?

Bullets! Bullets, probably. Bullets, Judge Dredd! Great. Okay, this is going to be good. I eat bullets and then I spit out bullets. Whoa. I'm the bad guys.

Okay. They all talk like this in the Godshared universe, by the way. Which is canonically in America. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even though it's a British comic. Even though it's a British comic, we'll get it. They are Americans. It's going to lean into the well-booting and dark humour.

It's also meant to be a fun sci-fi blockbuster that speaks to this moment in culture. Apparently, the desire is to see the movie launch a Dread universe that could explore additional movies and shows across various platforms. We've heard this before. Absolutely, yes. So, I don't think... It doesn't seem that this is linked to the Carl Urban one. Nope. That would be nice.

But does it matter at this point if it's a completely different creative team and you just keep the main guy? Oh, do you think it's going to be Karl Urban? I mean, even if it was, it's not really the same thing. I would like to see Karl Urban back, but in the insane version of the comic universe. Honestly, initially I'm like, when it said Taika Waititi, I went, ugh, alright. Thor, Love and Thunder, etc. But then I'm like, this is a universe that universe that is I think more in tune with his sensibilities

Especially his like post Hollywood. Yes sensibilities. It's super over-the-top. It is funny Mmm, yeah, it is that when the dark judges show up and start murdering people by putting their claws through their heads and stuff You know that funny is it that's not that funny, but I think the universe in general Yeah is satirical and I think he could work with this. I would like to see an authentic to the comic book Judge Dredd universe. That'd be cool because the last one again, good movie, doesn't necessarily have to be Judge Dredd. No, it's also set, I mean it's in the world of Judge Dredd, but it's in a tower.

So you get a glimpse of the world outside, which is mostly just like South Africa. Yeah, there's not like mutants and crazy robots and stuff, which the 1995 one actually did. Yes, that's true. But Rob Schneider is in it. He's in it. And that's good. Well, you know, do you remember though, Taika Waititi was going to direct an Akira live

action adaptation. That's right. And then that recently that Warner Brothers let the rights lapse with they let Warner Brothers let the, uh, rights, uh, Laps with him. So they'll probably take a run at that eventually. I wouldn't, but, uh, Yep. Uh-huh. But you could potentially. Yeah. Um, I mean, that's, that's gonna be,

that's Ghost in the Shell at best. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It'll look like it, but with all white people. Yeah, it'll be a frame by frame frame adaptation I don't know just watch the movie. It's really good. No, okay, then waiting for this version Yeah, yeah, but anyway, Taka with Titi. Yeah, I On Judge Dredd I am a wait and see approach. Yes I think Akira would make a very average Netflix live-action adaptation. Oh very average

would make a very average Netflix live-action adaptation. Oh, very average. Very, very average. What does it look like? Kind of like shit. Kind of like a Snickers commercial, but you know, it's kind of cast okay. But the bike is very accurate. Yeah, the bike's good. Except they couldn't get the licensing for like the brand stickers, so they're just generic

stickers. Yeah. So. They just all say Netflix. They all say Netflix, exactly. That's right. They say Netflix Japan Netflix. Netflix, exactly. That's right. They say Netflix Japan. Let's say that. That's right. Keeping with the tradition. Netflix, Netflix games on your phone. Netflix Japan. Netflix India. Pretty good. Pretty good. This is going to be written by Drew Pierce, who has

worked on Iron Man 3, Mission Impossible Rogue Nation, Hobbs and Shaw and The Fall Guy. Oh, some of those are good. Oh yeah, one of those is good. Nice, great. The Fall Guy? That's what I'm talking about. Oh yeah, of course.

No, Rogue Nation, is that the best one? You know, I've gone back and forth. It's top tier, Mission Impossible. I think when it came out, post Ghost Protocol, I'm like, I don't know if this is good, but then I've had some re-watches. Rebecca Ferguson, great. Some great sequences. You like the movie where they killed her because they didn't know what to do with her. Exactly. Sniper Flute.

Yeah, Sniper Flute. I'm sure it'll be my codename in the Metal Gear Solid universe. I'm Sniper Flute. They'd hear me in the forest. Is your thing that you have a sniper flute? Is that the thing? Your character's thing? And maybe some robot legs? Oh yeah, both of those things. Yes.

Okay cool. Yes. Because you need two things. You need two things, exactly. Yeah. Apparently Taika Watidi and Drupus. A piano closed on my legs. Oh.

That's why I hate the piano but I love the flute. You like woodwind instruments. I do. Which the flute is probably. Probably. When's that Metal Gear Solid 3 roommate coming out? woodwind instruments. I do. Which the flute is probably. Probably. When's that Metal Gear Solid 3 roommate coming out? I don't know. It's soon, is it?

But they've changed the color grading. So it's like, cause the previous one was very, that it had that yellow tint that sort of signified the past and like they're in the jungle and et cetera. And I think they've just sort of flattened it out. So it's just gray now. Oh, August 26th. Maybe I'll get that. I've only ever played four and it broke me. Because of the 45 minute cutscenes? Yeah and not just the one.

No it's all that. There's like 19 of those. Yeah right right right. Yeah. So apparently Tycho Bartini and Drew Pearce they grew up reading Judge Dredd comics and are friends who have been trying to find a project to work together on for years. Why not Judge Dredd? Why not a different thing? Why not this and build out the universe?

Why not just make it attempt at it and then it doesn't happen? Why not? That's a good point. What options do we have? That's true. Yeah. You're under arrest. You're going to Netflix jail.

It's bad except for the Netflix. You get to watch Netflix in it. Thank you Judge Dredd. Do you like Orange is the New Black? Not really. Well, people liked it when it came out. Do you like Orange Is The New Black? Not really. Well, people liked it when it came out. Do you think it's aged that well? Who's to say? We have the final seasons of the one where Kevin Spacey was the president. Oh, this is prison. Yeah. We got Squid Game. No, stop watching Squid Game. Yeah, but it's Squid Game.

You're under arrest. We've got the second season of Tiger King. No, come on man. Just shoot me. I'm gonna resist arrest. If you can shoot me, judge straight. It's Squid Game, but the reality show. Not the actual Squid Game. What do you think of that? Do you have Beast Games? No! It's Amazon! Bang! Bang, bang, bang! Can't get him! Bang, bang, bang! I'm spitting out my breakfast. We brought all our characters together.

I knew it would work out. Yeah, I think you were right. Cullings, delete all this though. Yeah, absolutely. My goodness. No, no, no. Cut it out. It's just for us. And then later we just sit. We just sit in a darkened room and it's on an enormous screen. Just the waveform going. And it's the bit of Judge Dredd and his friend the gun and we just listen to it. Maybe we should have left this in. No, it's too late. Yeah. Alright, speaking of Netflix, Netflix

news. Alright. Ted Sarandon, he's the guy. I finally learned the name. Is it Sarandos? I don't know. I'm thinking of Susan Sarandon. You are. I think it's Ted Sarandon. It might be. Hang on. Well, James,. I think it's Ted Sarandon. It might be. Hang on. Well, James, I've learned it, alright? Okay. Let's not make me learn the real thing.

Ted Sarandon, American business professional. And boy, does he look like it. God, he's profesh. Look how professional this guy is. Best business vest? You see him sometimes wearing a tie, but sometimes he's not wearing a tie, but he's wearing a business shirt and he's taking the tie off. To show I'm like you, look, it's the afternoon.

We can all take our ties off. Because it does look like he spilled something on his tie and he's had to take it off. Yeah. God. It's good when the common man runs a company. I think so too. Makes me feel closer to God. I agree. Anyway, Netflix news. Roberto Patino behind Westworld Sons of Anarchy and David Weiner. Excuse me? Weiner? I don't know. Who did Halo and the Killing.

Oh I thought you said he created a show called David Weiner. What is this show? I didn't write the actual name of it. I don't know what you're doing James. I don't know what any of this is. We don't even need to do Netflix News. No it's important. It's good to have Netflix News.

That's right. Assassin's Creed. Oh. They're going to show run and One or two seasons of Assassin's Creed and then cancel it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah Sure, so that's happening and here's what they say about it beneath the scope the spectacle the park or in the thrills is a baseline for The most essential kind of human story I don't know if that's true about people searching about an a purpose. About an egg, a space egg. Space egg and you get it and it can change your memory or be a hologram or you give it to the Pope and he runs around with it. That's right. And that's Assassin's Creed. Yeah. Sometimes there's

aliens or there are people from the future. I don't know. And then you got to kill the Pope. Yeah. You know, to get the egg back. Cause he did, he used the egg for evil. Yeah. He trusted you the Pope. You don't have to wait that long. The Pope's gonna die. He'll die on you. Don't worry. We've been to a lot of Popes lately. It's true, isn't it? Yeah.

Cardinal sin. Can't even state that out. It's not obviously. Put it in the after hours file. It's a central kind of human story. It's not though, is it? Yes it is. About people searching for purpose,

struggling with questions of identity and destiny and faith. It's about power and violence and sex and it is. About people searching for purpose, struggling with questions of identity and destiny and faith. It's about power and violence and sex and greed and vengeance. But more than anything, this is a show about the value of human connection across cultures, across time. I don't think any of this is true. Did AI write this?

I bet it did. No, this is by the people. This was by Robert and David. And it's about... I think they got their intern to write this and the intern outsourced it to AI, but carry on. And it's about what we stand to lose as a species when those connections break and an egg or an apple makes a hologram. If we lose all human decision making to the egg, we're going to lose all that love and art and stuff. I don't think that's for the Assassin's Creed. I mean, I'm not caught up on the Assassin's Creed universe, but if I had to ask an Assassin's Creed fan what it's about, they'd be like,

it's about going to Renaissance Italy and running around and having one of those shirts with the enormous shoulders and a little hat, but then very narrow pants. Yeah, and you've got maybe a towel coming off one side. Yeah, you've got a towel. Yeah, and you've got to get up a building and down a building. But now they're about having a village and running around. Are they? I don't know. And ship battles, I think? Yeah, the Viking one went for a thousand hours or whatever. But apparently the last one wasn't as bad. But I don't think any of this is about human connection. I think it's just about, it's just about gone,

this looks a lot like medieval England. But these These my memories. Well, they're your ancestors memories actually. How do we get it? How are we connected? Well, you know, it's a blood-leading engine memories through time and you got to get that up It's a magic helmet. We put a magic helmet on it. That's how it works. Now as somebody who's seen the movie I know that because I've seen the movie. We did a video on it. We are the two people who have seen that movie That's correct. Yes Was it about Surgic for purpose struggling with questions of identity and destiny and faith and power and violence and sex and greed and vengeance? But it's also about the value of human connection across cultures, across

time? Wasn't it about a guy who wanted to like lower his sentence at prison and then he just put it... So they put him on a big arm. They put him on the big swing arm and they swung him around and they're like, look at your memories. Look at them. Every 50 swings you get a day off your sentence. And brother we're swinging you a lot. Oh yeah. But then it turned out... But what is truth? You know? An apple. I think they said something about that. The egg or the apple, yeah. Yeah. And they, because the apple would change people's minds. But only if you're in the room with it. That's right. Yeah. Look all the Assassin's Creed games are just about,

they've built a fully Renaissance Italy, or they've built the Viking Viking world and you go and you go, this is cool, it looks cool. And now I'm going to jump into some haze. Can I climb that? Yeah, probably. Yeah, probably, almost certainly. Can I swim? Not in the first one.

No. That's great, it's happening I guess. It's great. One or two seasons and then it's gone. Sure. They'll be like, well you're going to, people will be like, are we going to see all the different settings from the games? Yes, absolutely, we will as the seasons progress. No, there's going to be two.

Two different settings and seasons. Okay, cool. And they'll be nine years apart. Unless, what about this? What about its... Now you're talking my language. Sorry. Well, I guess, look, what I would say is that, you know, at least the Westworld guys have some... Like, at least their... Period settings, et cetera. Period settings and then good- And future stuff.

Future stuff and kind of, the later seasons of that kind of dipped in and out because there was a samurai world and there was a Westworld and there was a future world and what have you. So maybe each season will be, you follow different people as they get sent to different time periods. That would be interesting to me.

It also seems expensive. Yeah, I was gonna say. When you're boarding an entirely different time period every time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, you just do the Assassin's Creed 2 method where you make three or four of those games set in Italy or whatever. Absolutely, yeah.

Yeah. And by then he's like, fuck, my knees are bad. And it's just modern Italy. Yeah. I've been riding around Italy and now modern Italy. This is my deadline. It's also Netflix news, network news. Captain Planet, something is my deadline. It's also Netflix news, network news. Captain Planet something is

moving forward to the show with Greg Berlanti, his productions and also Appian Way. Now if you remember Leonardo DiCaprio had been pushing for a Captain Planet something for a while. Sort of, I sort of remember that. Yeah, Glenn Powell was interested in doing it and his version was about a washed up Captain Planet years later and he's like, I don't know how to be a Captain Planet anymore, world's changing, whatever. And then the kids have grown up and they did a Rick and Morty episode about it. Um, I fucking hate Captain Planet. And why specifically?

Uh, because it's very pandering and like, it's like, you know, who's deploying, deploying toxic waste into the ocean. Exactly. He's toxic waster. And his whole thing is he's got a factory that makes poison and all he does, he just makes the poison, he pours it in the ocean and he goes haha not enough fish haha haha fish for anyone and I think maybe we've talked about we certainly talked about this in in in our private lives while watching the waveform yeah you know in

our darkened drawing room but apparently early on the the reason that the characters are called like Duke Nukem and Pigus Gr Grinlow. Pigus Grinlow, whatever. Rubbish, rubbish Tim. And they're just pouring stuff and poison in the ocean is because initially it was like more subtle stuff. Whereas like it was just people who didn't recycle or people who just burned off all their trash or whatever. But then kids started being like, that's what my parents do.

Yeah. And so parents would,, they would stop their kids watching the show if it were just a proper reflection of the real world and people doing that. So they're like, let's make him insane over the top parodies or whatever. And then at the end you have the kids go, remember to recycle. I hated it. Yeah. So like, for one, they're wasting everybody's time by not just calling Captain Planet immediately.

Absolutely. Doing a bunch of running around, getting separated, using wind to put out a fire or whatever. Some shit. And then at the end they're like, oh, there's a tidal wave or whatever, we'll call Captain Planet. It's a tidal wave of dead fish heads or whatever. That a pig man threw into the ocean. And then he comes up and he gets everybody all washed up or whatever.

And then he's all washed up. Yeah, and then at the end he's like, you know, you could recycle, you know, you could pick up your rubbish. Like, I fucking do. I'm not doing this. That's right. It should have been like, there are real criminal billionaires in the world and you could kill them.

You could kill, you've got insane, you could fly around the world. You could shoot a laser through their heads. No, I'm saying that's what Captain Planet should tell children. Oh yeah. These are their names. That's right. Here's where they live. Scan this QR code to get a how to make a bomb. And where they live.

Anyway, I think that's what it should be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My opinion. Not to get political, James. No. I mean Don Cheadle did the funny version He did a funny whatever and you know fuck Captain Planet Yeah, I don't know like unless unless Captain Planet's main thing now is like collective organizing Yeah, and like strikes and unions and killing CEO killing CEOs exactly not that we endorse

No, we absolutely do not we've never done it so but I'm saying like, just the idea of like, don't forget to recycle and remember Taylor Swift, she uses more carbon in a day than you would in 150 years or whatever. Yeah. Don't kill Taylor Swift. Nobody's saying that.

No. Also Taylor Swift can't really fly on a commercial plank. It should be killed. Yeah, it should be killed immediately. And I'm sure she does other things. Taylor Swift's not the problem, all right? That's a distraction from the people who should be killed, not by us and we're not saying that. That's right, don't kill Taylor Swift either because of her

carbon footprint or because you saw her in a commercial flight and you felt compelled to tear a piece off her. Don't do that. Leave her alone. She seems nice and fine. Yeah, this probably should go in that episode that we're just gonna watch in that room. That's right. But I think at a certain point, there'll be nothing left of this episode. So trailers are high. Yeah, I guess. I don't know.

I have more Captain Planet thoughts, but I don't think they're there for this podcast really. Do you mean the show or just in general? I think just in general. Okay, sure. Remember Captain Pollution? What does that mean? All the bad guys got like rings and one was like dirt, poison dirt, petrol.

Six pack rings. Yeah. Nice. HIV. God damn. It was the 90s. There was a HIV episode of Captain Planet. Which is good actually.

Anyway, trailers ahoy. Yeah, that's good. New Horn? New Horn apparently. All right. We just missed this last week, but there's a trailer for Mortal Kombat 2, that's good. New Horn? New Horn, apparently. Alright. We just missed this last week, but there's a trailer for Mortal Kombat 2. That's right.

We saw the Johnny Cage fake movie, but then we then immediately afterwards there was the full trailer for Mortal Kombat 2. And look, to me it looks fun. Absolutely. But here's the thing though, what I thought was interesting. Look obviously all of these, everyone from the beginning follows really the same format, including the ones from the 90s where it's just like a normal person is like, this is crazy, I'm in the world of Mortal Kombat now.

Let's do a Mortal Kombat. But I think it's interesting that this is just, it's exactly the same as the previous one. But with a character we like. It's a character we recognise. It really felt like they were like, we shouldn't have done this. You have to come in and do Mortal Kombat. I don't have any powers.

Well, you'll turn into an armadillo now. Yeah, I also remember halfway through this, the moment where he's like, I don't have any powers, I'm just a regular guy. It's like, you've got to believe in yourself and you find your special totem or whatever and then you can throw green tennis balls or whatever. Yeah, you can do a kamehameha or whatever. Exactly, yeah. So, I don't know, it looks fun, you know.

It does. We got all the character posters. Carl Urban looks great as Johnny Cage. I agree, yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's got some really cool like deaths and fatalities in it. It does look like Cole Trickle is in it. He is in it, yeah.

Yeah. Did Kano get metal arms? Oh, Baraka's in it, he's Baraka. Jax has metal arms. Jax, oh, who did I say? You said Kano. Oh yeah, Kano's Australia. So this is, I've forgotten his forgotten his name Josh Lawson. Josh Lawson. Thank you very much. He's back I thought initially he wasn't but he is no they took all the souls at the end of the mass movie where they didn't actually do

Oh, yeah. So in the last movie did Jack's get metal arms where his regular arms torn off Yeah, or something. You grew the backers. He believed himself. Yeah Yeah, I don't like that. It's a bad system. I think some of these people should just be freaks. Yeah, some are probably. Or they're all just, Kano shouldn't have a laser eye because he believed in himself. He should have a laser eye because he got his eye pulled out and then he had a laser

eye pulled in. Yeah, that's right. And it's also a regular eye. It's not a metal eye. Because you're in the... Yeah, Yeah, that's right. It's too late now. And it's also a regular eye. It's not a metal eye, because you're in the- Yeah, no, you're right. I've been watching a Mortal Kombat retrospective. Oh yes.

I find the channel. But yeah, it's interesting that they've gone, hey, what if we did the thing where a normal person gets integrated and it gets introduced to Mortal Kombat? Yeah, what if? But this time it's not the golden armadillo man, it's Johnny Cage.

Like it's really quite- Yeah. But they're like but this time we promise we'll get to Mortal Kombat really quickly we're not gonna waste time fighting in a car park like we did last time. Memory Fort Goro in a car park and then turn into an armadillo man. Yes. 616 Entertainment does great Mortal Kombat retrospectives on on YouTube goes through like all of them. Oh terrific. So yeah I don't know I think seeing this

trailer and I'm like I'm gonna learn everything about Mortal Kombat. And I'm like, oh man, going through these, I've played all the bad ones. The ones people hate. Mortal Kombat 4, DC vs Mortal Kombat, Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance, which is maybe five. Actually, I played nine, which is a good one, which is like a reboot. But then there's a reboot again, because the last one was Mortal Kombat 1 or something. Yeah, it was. That like a reboot. But then there's a reboot again because the last one was Mortal Kombat 1 or something. Yeah it was that was a reboot. Because in the previous game I think didn't Luke Kang got the powers of a god or something he rebooted the entire universe so it was a little bit nicer I think. But it's all sort of coming apart that's kind of interesting.

Something that I... No at the moment they go back in time and redo Mortal Kombat 1 to 3 but they fuck up the timeline and it's great. It's really good. So um Recently I saw some people on Twitter sharing some like character models from injustice. Oh, yeah, and boy They're not good like the new one. No the old one Oh, yeah, just injustice and injustice to the DC fighting game and I'm like, oh yeah at the time They seemed pretty cool. But yeah when you look at like the blue beetle model Yeah, so man's got that thing that comes up his fight. He does have that grips onto his head. Yeah his work cover Yeah, it's work cover neck brace. I really like those comics. I read quite a lot. Yeah, they were quite good. Yeah Yeah

So yeah, they normally go Mortal Kombat injustice Mortal Kombat injustice. That's what Nether Realms do. That's right Is that right? Also, I want to play some of the best Mortal Kombat games for Big Sandwich. Okay, we could play some of the worst ones. Yeah, let's do Mortal Kombat 4 and whatever one you like. What do you like? 3? Trilogy? I like Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3. Is there a Game Boy one?

We should play the Game Boy one. You'll love that. I don't know. On the Game Boy? Yeah, on the Game Boy. Not the Game Boy Advance. No, on the regular Game Boy. We can put a camera over our shoulder and we can record us going.

I can get an emulator going. You think I can't do that? I'm playing Tron 2.0, Mason, I can get an emulator going. You think I can't do that? I'm playing Tron 2.0, Mason. I can get anything running. Yeah, that's right. Get some Tron stuff happening. Let's find out who cares about Tron.

Oh, there was a new Tron trailer last week. It was very Jared Leto heavy. I looked at all the comments and most of them are like, oh, then he Troned everywhere. It's Tron and Time or whatever. Oh, I see. I think they're deleting all the ones that like, isn't this, isn't this a pedophile? Yeah. I think they're deleting all of those ones.

Wow. Yeah. Classic Disney. Indeed. Yeah. But we've got a new look at Tron. Tron looks great. It does look great.

But I wish he wasn't in it. I agree. Also the thing you've said, Tron Ares. Oh, Mortal Kombat. Sorry. Mortal Kombat 2 is out October, 2024. Mortal Kombat. It's Mortal Kombat 2 was out October 2024. Ah, Mortal Kombat. Mm. It's looking, oh yeah, no, so it's, who is the, we've got some antagonists here.

Who is the, who is the C, is it, it's Evan Peters, is that right? Yes, that's right. Yeah, so and we've got Greta Lee, it's looking good. So they're basically gone. The, I guess somebody's acquired, it's either Encom or a company that's acquired Encom. They're like, we I guess somebody's acquired. It's either NCOM or accompanies acquired NCOM. They're like, we've built the ultimate soldier. They're from the digital realm. What happens if he dies?

Well, we'll just build another one and nothing bad will ever happen. Control C, Control V. Everything's immediately happening bad. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Pretty good. Oh, there's Jared later. Someone will make a version where he's been. When it gets... With the helmet on?

The whole time? Yeah, so yeah. But man, it looks good, except for that one main thing. God, the visuals of Tron, man. And the world of Tron. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Gillian Anderson. Gillian Anderson Tron.

Oh, very good. Anyway, it looks terrific. When's it out? Do you think this might, October 10th. Do you reckon this will be actually the time that Tron truly hits mainstream culture? I don't know if anyone's going to say it. No one's ever seen it. I would say this regardless. Yeah, same.

Yeah. But nobody's going to say it. And Nine Inch Nails are doing the score. That's correct, yeah. Again, there's that one thing that I don't like. Yeah. But other than that. Yeah. Anyway, there's also a trailer for Predator Badlands. Yeah, which we just watched. Yeah, I've already seen it. You just watched it. I watched it twice for research purposes. You seem a little bit defensive. I just think that you lied then and you made me look like

I'm not doing my research. You're driving here not even knowing you're gonna do a podcast. And I'm ready. Yeah. Yeah. Which is the dynamic we like. Oh yeah, just to be clear. This isn't a criticism. God, I hope people didn't think that. Yeah.

Fun, of course it's... This is you driving over in your car. This is going to get flagged by the way. I don't think so. I don't think so. All right. This is you. This is what you get flagged by the way. I don't think so. I don't think so. All right. This is you. This is what you're listening to.

Isn't it? Yes. Yes. That's what you're doing. That's what I'm doing. Anyway, what were you saying? I can't remember. Before you played that?

Okay. Rookie Predator. First mission, he's decided to go on hard mode. He's trying to find the ultimate giant dragon monster creature. And then he runs across L. Fanning. Half a robot. Is it L. Fanning? It is.

He was a little girl. And remains a little girl. I think she's like 30 plus. She's a child like that. Okay, right. But that would make me old. I don't know like that. So, you know.

27, sorry. Okay, right. She's great in the great. Oh yeah. Yeah. Looks's great in the great. Oh yeah. Looks really good. Looks exciting. And of course she's like a Weyland-Yutani synthetic. So obviously... Something's going on there. Well there's an Independence Day 4 alien head in it as well. There's that skull. You know how she's half a robot. I think later she's going to become

full robot again and they're going to have a showdown or whatever. With her and the predator? No, I mean, they'll tussle, but it's mostly about the other bigger things happening and there's a power loader. There is a power loader. We haven't seen one of those since Alien Covenant, where I think there was another power loader. There might've been.

Was there one in Romulus? I don't know if there was. There might've. It seems like the kind of movie where there would have been a power loader. There was a very slender man. That's true. That skinny bitch running around. That's right. With his Kate Moss style body. That's exactly right. That's not a criticism of Kate Moss, that's a criticism of the era. She was just, you know, kind of, that was the, Collings take this out. He's just, he's just swatting around in the ship being like, nothing tastes as good as skinny feels.

just swarming around in the ship being like, nothing tastes as good as skinny feels. You look bad. Yeah, you did look bad. We also got to look at, and I think this is interesting, this new Predator has all the newest latest toys. Crossbows and so on. A lot of super hot swords and laser crossbows. This is the future also. This is the future of the Predator universe.

Yeah, because most Predator movies are set in the modern day or the past when they were made which they called the modern day. That's true. Not all because Prey was set in the past. Oh and there was that series that came out whatever recently. Killer of Killers. And that was set in the past but also then maybe at the same time. I don't know man. I don't know. You're not, you know? Yeah. But we're saying these are the latest. Yeah he's got the latest red laser stuff. Absolutely. Yeah. November 7th. It's not a long, he's got the latest red laser stuff. Absolutely. It's all good, yeah. November 7th. It's not a long, it's a long time.

I love a new Predator movie. Me too. Even when they're atrocious. Me too. Do you think this will do well? I think it will. I mean, Prey did well. Even though it went to streaming or something, it was supposed to.

So based on that, people watching, I think they didn't have to pay for. This will do very well. Yeah, I don't know, man. How much did The Predator 2018 make? Let's find out. Terrible movie, terrible worst movie. That cost 88 and made 160. So it didn't make its money back.

Okay, but I would say like, I think they lately they've been doing a lot to rehabilitate the image of The Predator movies. So with Wispray. You sound like it's doing like a like a PR. Apology to it. Yes, exactly. Yeah.

So I guess every time it's a different predator as well. So is the new predator responsible for the crimes of the previous predator? It's more predator society, isn't it? It's true. It's responsible, isn't it? Yeah. You know, I think, I think, I think for them, redemption starts at home. Yes.

I mean, that's right. They should, they should vote. Yeah. They should vote for a starts at home. Yes. That's right. They should vote. Yeah. They should vote for a better Predator President. Yeah. Pred- decent. Isn't there a current Predator President? Whoa!

Oh yes! Whoa! Put that in there. Did you see that? Yeah. And everybody just noticed just this week. Nobody knew before. I agree.

Yeah, this is also, I know we've had Alien vs Predator crossovers, but I like this kind of crossover. Where it's like, these universes are connected, but it's not just specifically an alien fighting a predator. You know, there's some Whalen Yutani stuff and there's different corporations and predators. Maybe Lance Henriksen will be there for a second. He doesn't need to be, but why not? I like him and good on him and God bless him. Hey can you just kill me to keep my streak going? Thank you. I'll be killed by nothing. Next up we've got a trailer for Avatar 3 which neither of us watched. Now you went to the Fantastic Four premiere in Melbourne. I did and there was apparently an Avatar trailer beforehand. That ran

again and again. Did it? Apparently. Wow well I didn't see any of them. Yeah that's the email I got. I showed up at 6.29 for a 6.30 screenings. Yeah. Do you get a good seat? Yeah. Wow, well I didn't see any of them. Yeah, that's the email I got. I showed up at 6.29 for 6.30 screenings. Yeah. Do you get a good seat? Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Anyway, that's out December 19th.

Red Hot Avatar, it's cool. There's volcanoes and whatever. I read the description and I went, oh yeah. Oh yeah, nice. That's great. And then I saw a very obvious AI trailer. Oh yeah, cool. Which looked really good.

And then I tried to hunt down the actual one, but I couldn't find it. And I kept getting links to weird Telegram sites and I don't want to do that. It's not the year to send a Telegram. No, it's really not. This is by the Happy Sad Confused podcast. Oh yeah? Should I? I won't do it.

Happy Sad Confused podcast, Mason. They spoke to James Gunn. It's a great podcast if you want to listen to it. Did you listen to the whole interview? I did. It's like an hour or whatever. I didn't listen to any of it. I was fuming about podcasts because Time released their top 100 podcasts. I don't know if you saw that. No, I didn't. Time magazine released their top 100 podcasts of all time. Whoa, we made top 10.

The best podcast ever. Of all time. Is that even podcasts that no longer exist? Yes. Okay. It's infuriating and it's again It's one of those one. It's one of those lists design. We'll be just outside the top 10. It's that bad. Yeah, we were One how many of them would corporations or a famous comedian who doesn't do comedy quite a lot I think if you look at the list you will see it's it's a bunch of stuff that is just quite old and people I think It was just one that some a bunch of people in the time office old and people, I think it was just one that a bunch of people in the time office went, hey what podcast do you remember?

Do you remember Serial? Yeah, Serial I'm certain is in there. But it's a bunch of stuff that's just kind of old and people sort of remember it. And then there's just, like it's got, in the top 100 podcasts of all time it does include Good Hang with Amy Poehler, which I'm sure is delightful. It just came out? It's been around for five minutes and they've already decided it's the... But there's no...

Any of these could have bumped us out as well. Exactly. We would definitely be in this, obviously. So like WTF with Mark Maron is in there, but like there's no how did this get made? There's no never not funny. There's no... Yeah. Joe Rogan experience. Joe Rogan is not in there. What? Yeah, exactly. That's crazy. Because it Rogan experience. Joe Rogan is not in there.

What? Yeah, exactly. That's crazy. Because it's not good. We're both huge fans, obviously. Exactly. That's right. But that's wild.

Because that's like... JRE Nation. Yeah. That's so influential. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In a bad way. In a bad way, but it's certainly listened to by millions and millions of people constantly. I think that feels like a very precise dig.

Yeah, almost certainly. Yeah. So no, no, Never Not Funny, no, Comedy Bang Bang, which again, like so much of podcasting and comedy. Was the Ricky Gervais podcast on there? The Ricky Gervais podcast, I believe is not on there. Yeah, see that should be on there too. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Okay. So I don't know. I don't know what's going on. But where were we? Not there at all. Yeah, well, this doesn't make any sense. There's a little foot footnote at the bottom and it says, even in the top 100,000 podcasts, we're not there.

So that's a shame. Oh well, maybe next year. Maybe next year we'll have a big jump. Somebody in the time office will listen to us once and go, you know what? 100,002. Sorry, you were saying that. Happy Sad Confused podcast on firing Henry Cavill because James Gunn and Peter Safran had to fire him.

And he said it's terrible. And Happy Sad Confused got a say in that. That's right. Wow. They said we want it. We're the deciding vote. James Gunn said yes, Peter Safran said no. Happy Sad Confused, what do you think?

And he just went like this. Thumbs down. What's the guy's name? Josh Horowitz. His name is Josh Horowitz. Yeah, he's a great interviewer and he gets a lot of good guests. James Gunn said it's terrible. Believe it or not the day

We were dealing with trying to figure out if we could take the job at DC Studios the day our deal closed all the sudden They were announcing that Henry was back and I was like what's going on? We know what the plan is the plan was to come in and do Superman It was really unfair to him and a total bummer so they had to like sit him down and Explain that like we're moving in a different direction But there is apparently they're gonna leave it open for him to return. Maybe another character, maybe they'll multiverse at some point or whatever.

Multiverse. I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if we see him turn up. I mean, he was in Deadpool briefly. Also said, this is interesting. This looks like a shot at the rock. Uh, there was a vacuum at the time and a lot of people were, they wanted to take on what they wanted to do at DC and they were trying to force their way and this was never part of the equation of

David Zaz for David Zaz life. So that was when the rock was like, I'm running in the DCU and Superman's back. Yeah, right. And they're like, what's happening right now? Yeah. And then the rock got fired, obviously, for obvious reasons. Yeah. For being too cool.

Being too cool. And too buff. But he did bring in Dr. Bellhead and that too cool. Being too cool. And too buff. But he did bring in Dr. Bellhead and that was cool. That's right. Pierce Brosnan, yeah. Yes. More DCUs.

As by Deadline. Yes. Our flag means death creator David Jenkins will write the pilot episode for Booster Gold series. Whoa. He will showrun if this gets picked up. I don't know if you saw our flag means death. What's the first season?

I saw some of it. Yeah, it was good fun. So that's I was always in that Taika Wittetti is in that. Yeah, but he's not. He doesn't write or is on it. Okay, right. Yeah. And Murray from Flight of the Conquers. What's his name? It's Reese Witherspoon. Yes. Reese Darby. Yes, that's right. I didn't watch second season, but it is wrapped up. And the Wall Street Journal are saying this is more in DC news, James Gunn is considering two of these DC shows, maybe both. Okay.

One focused on Eddie Gatheghi's, is that right? It's just Eddie. Eddie Gatheghi's Mr. Terrific. Yes. Or Skyler Gozondo's Jimmy Olsen. That one will be a crime anthology, the first episode being Gorilla Grodd. That's fun. Either of those would sound fun and great. I agree. I would love that. Sounds really good, yeah. That one will be a crime anthology, the first episode being Gorilla Grodd. That's fun.

Either of those would sound fun and great. I agree. I love that. Sounds really good, yeah. And apparently, this is by Variety, Anna Naguera is writing the screenplay for Wonder Woman. She's doing all sorts of stuff. Well she did Supergirl, which is coming out next year, so cool. Yeah.

Yeah, I think, so the Jimmy Olsen series seems to be like he's investigating various villains? Is that maybe what's happening? Yeah. Put Gorilla Grodd in there. Like Monster of the Week, but like... I don't know what to do. I'll just run. Yeah, that's good stuff.

And Mr. Terrific obviously stand out from the movie. I think they clearly also have future movie plans for all of these characters. All or none of them. Some might be a one none of them. Some might be a one and a done. They might be a one and a done. Take that, Guy Gardiner. Well, he's going to be in Lanterns, right?

Oh yeah, then get out of here. But I saw that he's in Lanterns, but he doesn't have any scenes with Hal Jordan. One of them, yeah, that's right. In MCUs, which is the MCU news section of the show, Kevin Feige spoke about the failure of some of the Marvel Cinematic Universe properties. He said, it's that expansion that I think led people to say, do I have to see all of these? It used to be fun. It used to be fun, didn't it?

Do you remember when we were younger? And it's still fun, he should say. Do you remember when we were younger? No. And we didn't have to like cook any of our own meals and like all our decisions were made for us and we didn't have to pay any bills or whatever. Sure, sure, sure. It was fun, wasn't it?

It was fun. It was easy. Life was better. I think the world changed. Not our circumstance, not our personal circumstances, just the world changed. Yeah. Bring it back. Just bring back riding bikes.

It's simple. You can't ride bikes anymore. I was looking at a bike the other day. I couldn't even ride it. Yeah. You can't, back in the day you'd be riding a bike and drinking from the hose at the same time. You can't do that anymore, can you?

No. They took it away from us. They took it away from us. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Bloody government. You could live on a farm.

We were able to, yeah. That's all we needed. Had your own veggie patch? I had dirty knees. Now my knees are too clean-naced. I agree. They call you clean knees. It's calling me that. Everyone's calling you that.

I don't like it. Mr. Clean Knees, there he goes. La-dee-da, Mr. Clean Knees. I'm going to get some dirtier knees. No? It wouldn't be authentic. They would know. They would know. Mr. Faux Dirty Knees.

There he is. He's swarming about with the stock exchange. I don't even go to the side. I don't have any shares. But now do I have to know everything about all of these? And I think the Marvels hit it hardest where people were like, okay, I recognize her from a billion dollar movie, but who are the others two? I guess it's the Marvels.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't have any shares. But now do I have to know everything about all of these? And I think that Marvel's hit it hardest where people were like, okay, I recognize her from a billion dollar movie, but who are the others to? I guess some were in a TV show, I'll skip it.

And yet similar opinions on Thunderbolts. I mean, there are a lot of movies where you recognize one person and other people might be from TV shows. I think there is some truth in this, but I don't think it's because it was just Brie Larson and not other. No, I agree. Yeah. But I do think there was that overwhelming number of, I mean, even we stopped doing

recaps, we were like, who fucking cares? Yeah. But I mean, I think- And this is our job. Yeah. We, we stopped caring. I think he's just grasping here. Cause he also said something along the lines of the reason the Thunderbolts didn't

do well is Because people were like I don't know there's too many people from the from the TV But the only person who's directly from the TV there is US agent. Yeah, everybody else in that is from movies Yeah, good point. So I think he's just like He's just he's just grasping for a rationale that isn't we slipped up and we kind of turn this into a factory farming situation, we just kind of... Yeah, which you also kind of said too. Yeah, I think the real answer is they just... Maybe people didn't think about it consciously, but they go into these movies and they go, this doesn't feel as well written. This feels kind of like assembly line.

This isn't good enough as a movie in itself or connected to anything in a meaningful way. I mean, if this movie was fresh and new and interesting, I would... And my knees were dirty. Exactly, I'd enjoy seeing it and I'll watch the next one. But at a certain point, you go, feels kind of the same as the last one,

I will skip the next one. I think that's the answer. It's not how many characters are from TV. Because again, you know, Daredevil was in Spider-Man 3 and that movie made a billion dollars. And he's a TV. He's TV, isn't he? He is a TV that guy. Well, he said to Variety, I think allowing a TV show to be a TV show is what we're returning to. So the old model of like stay on Netflix or in this place, in this case Disney Plus and maybe you'll get a little cameo in Avengers

That's right. If you're lucky. Yeah, if you're lucky also He said Captain America 4 failed because Chris Evans wasn't in it. But again, I think it just because it wasn't great Yep, I mean how many people did you know who saw that and when you got to check this out? The answer is nobody no because what would they say you got to check out when he turns into the Red Hulk? Yeah, we saw that it was in the trailer. Yeah, also we've seen the Hulk and he wasn't red. But this one's red. So I guess I won't see this because I've changed the colour setting on my team. That's right. I've seen YouTube clips where they've taken a video of the Hulk and they've turned him red and gone, Red Hulk, Red Hulk, they're eventually going to recast the legacy characters including

Iron Man and Captain America, and X-Men is where that will happen. Apparently Marvel intends to reset to singular timelines and effectively reboot the universe. Interesting. I mean, that's the comics, what they're doing there. Absolutely. Where things get too complicated, but they need old characters who died or retired to come back. But they're doing the movie version of that yes which is a hard-ass reset but where Chris Evans might still be there or whatever yeah mmm and also it's

cheaper yeah that's an Iron Man that nobody has heard of before that's right just keep the marks down mmm yeah I mean we I think we knew this was happening yeah DC's obviously done it it's interesting that he just said it that Yeah, I mean, I think we knew this was happening. Yeah. DC's obviously done it. It's interesting that you just said it, that we're resetting everything. We're going to recast at some point. We're doing, everyone's going to go back to their universes. Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know either. Well, this is the perfect opportunity to talk about big movie. I love big movies. Sometimes you don't. Sometimes I hate big movie. Yeah. What are they doing to me? Why don't they just make big movie I like big movies. Sometimes you don't. Sometimes I hate big movies. What are they doing to me? Why don't they just make big movie I like?

Yeah. You know? Yeah. Why don't they just, I can make my own big movie with my eyes. Exactly. Or they make a big movie and they screen it to everybody until they get it right. Yes. And then they show you.

And they show me the best, best big movie. Platonic ideal of big movie. It's time to talk big movie. Big movie. The Fantastic Four First Steps. That's right. The fourth attempt. Fourth attempt? Yeah.

As we include in this franchise. The 90s one? Oh, it's the fourth attempt at rebooting. Yes. No, just fourth attempt. Okay, it is the fourth attempt. 90s one, they never release it. They made To Keep the Rights. Eon Griffith, Chris Evans and Michael Chiklis and... Jessica Alba. Jessica Alba, thank you.

Two of those. The 2015 one. The sad one. The sad one and this one, which is sad but not as sad. Interesting. It's got some happy moments. On a budget of $200 million, it looks like the box office in the US is going to open to around $100 or or 110 million and about Decent release movie

Not bad Let's see how it goes long term Wham And about 90 to 100 internationally We have your family Wham Wham You must choose

Wham It's the average movie What am I choosing? You gotta choose who lives and who dies Oh, all of them To live. Solid opening. You got it. The alert's gone.

That's great. They didn't think about that, but I guess you're allowed to choose that. Solid opening it could hold. It is still up against Superman, of course, which is looking it's gonna eventually reach about 650 to 700 million. That's not bad. It's a pretty good opening, I would say, but again, we'll see.

Has this followed, so our prediction, I think, was Jurassic World, Superman, this. We'll see how it shakes out. I think it is a little bit lower than Superman, but Superman, I think they counted like five days because it was a longer weekend, something. I don't know specifically. They're messing around with the numbers.

In a way, constantly relying on that opening weekend to determine whether a movie is successful or not. Bad call. I know people, we get the occasional comment that's like, what do you care about the box office? And to me, I don't. It's more that it indicates what will happen down the line with future movies and franchises and whether a company will disappear.

And I think that's important. Anyway, what do you think the story was? Just had to check my notes. Yeah, okay. Well, this is set on Earth 828. And it's a lovely world. It's a lovely 1960s, retro future 1960s world. Is it the 60s?

No, it's the present day. Is it? I think. Okay. Yeah. And on this world, looks like there's only one set of superheroes. Yep. And that's the Fantastic Four. But a bunch of weird ghouls.

That's right. Villains, right? Guess what? Everybody loves them. Yeah. Because they're doing a great job and they're having a good time and they're nice and they're flying about and they're getting a lot of brand deals. Oh yeah. A lot of brands in this universe you know. Oh yeah. But old timey looking brands. Bam, bam. But the same brands as like the regular universe. That's right. Except for Lucky's charms. Oh very good. But anyway it's those Fantastic Four's. Yeah. They're out there and

they're solving everybody's problems. Yep. They're stopping crime. They're doing their origin in a very... They're fighting apes. They're stopping crime. They're doing their origin in a fiery Yep, that's true. They're doing origin of very not John Malkovich. No, no, no, you got cut out Yeah, he did one of these apes is in this though. Yes. Yeah. Yeah There's a little opening which recreates the first classic cover and some other things. Oh, yeah, they fight. Yeah Mr. Mr. Mr. Sour man, Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Brisk. Brisk. But then, what if a bloody, what if a frickin' What if a bird turned up on a bloody skateboard? That's exactly right. You better believe it.

Yeah. Pretty good. That's the story? Ah yes. Galactus is here. Have you seen a Fantastic Four movie? Yeah. We're doing that again.

Yeah, but it's real Galactus. Yeah. He shows up in the Silver Surfer, but the Silver Surfer's a woman, she's got a Silver Surfer board and she's's like I'm gonna come Here I'm bringing a guy is not happy. He's gonna your planet. I picked the planets and I picked this planet That's right. How does he pick the planets? I don't know. Well, she picks the planets pick a different planet Like yeah, what does have to be planet with blokes on it? Oh, it's nice blokes and sheilas Yeah, yeah, and the fantastic world have to venture into space. That's right to stop Galactus

Yeah, but then they don't do very well, but Galactus is still coming and then they got to figure out how to stop Galactus, but then they don't do very well, but Galactus is still coming and then they've got to figure out how to defeat Galactus. And hey, how do you defeat Galactus? When he's a big cloud, you can... Big fan. Big fan, probably. He's not a big fan. He's a guy.

I mean, if you turn a giant fan on this version of Galactus, he'd just be like, I am not a crook. Yeah. I liked this. I liked it too. I'm not a crook. Yeah. I liked this. I liked it too. I think it's great. I think there's a simplicity to it. It feels straightforward and unburdened by the weight of the MCU and continuity. For now. Yeah, yeah. It felt to me in some small ways like the original Christopher Reeve Superman.

Because they are the only heroes in this universe. Yes. So it felt very focused upon them. See my brother who I saw this with and my son. Which one? The one you like. He said it was like Captain America the first Avenger. Because it is this self-contained like period piece.

Yeah. Right, right, right. No need to know anything else I guess. Uh-huh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. There is no reference to really anything else in the MCU as far as I could tell. No, I mean, we do get, you know, references to, we get a little sense of what, maybe what villains are in this universe, or reference to the wizard and-

The big bog man who comes out of the ground. Big bog man. Mole man. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I thought Paul Walter House was joking when he said he was in the Fantastic Four movie, but he's mole man. He's mole man. And you see him up top. This is, I mean, tonally, I should say aesthetically even, like Tomorrowland, The Incredibles. The stuff that Brad Bird's been doing.

That's right. I mean, obviously The Incredibles is based off the retro Fantastic Four comics and TV show from like the 60s. Pedro Pascal, who of course is Mr. Fantastic in this movie, was asked many terrible questions, but somebody said who would win in a fight the Incredibles of Fantastic Four, and he's like I would never fight Holly Hunter. I love her. She's wonderful.

I'd never fight her. Coward. Yeah, exactly. I'd beat her up. She'd fight you. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I think it looks great.

I think it looks great too. A lot of this feels real and tactile. I know they really dressed up Ralph Innocent apparently as Galactus. I don't know how much of that is actually true. No I reckon they probably built the suit, put him in it, 3D scanned it and then he never wore it again. I was kind of hoping for a Godzilla style. Just even again, one moment of him just walking through a cardboard city.

He's just as finchy from the office. That's right. But I mean, yeah, like you said, great look, great universe. It all feels real. There's no moments in this where I'm like, oh, this feels like a plastic-y CGI kind of world. It also is a kind of a plastic-y kind of world in design-wise. Exactly. Look, I wouldn't say I was like, it was fantastic. Thanks. I liked it enough. Okay.

Then I think I liked it more than you, I suspect. But great cast, as you might imagine. They all work really well together. Really good, yeah. There is a lot of sincerity to this. Yes. And I think they've, you know think they've wound back the quips. And again, it is kind of like...

Well, my son said that. The humor comes from each of the characters' personalities. You know, Johnny Storm is the quippiest. As opposed to who's going to say the funniest thing. Yeah, exactly. Or the quippiest thing. You know, and I really believe the relationships between all of them. I did feel the family stuff.

Yeah, totally. It was really good. Casting's great. Casting is great. You know and again I'm sure at the time I'm like Pedro Pascales, Mr. Fan, I don't know about that but I think he really works in this. Rest of the team good. Edmund Moss-Bachrach of course. You only see human for a minute but I think the voice work is good. He's a good the thing. There is like a like he clearly is a bit bothered by being the thing but he's like leaning into it you know? He's making the most of it.

And this is a world where people love the Fantastic Four. They're not like boo, freak! And he gets broken up with by his fiance on the street. And she leaves the ring on the ground. Brutal. It's interesting that years ago there was a JLA Avengers crossover in the comic books, written by Kurt Busiek, illustrated by I can't remember, I'll look it up. But there's a moment where each of the teams visits the experiences, the other person's world,

and the Justice League are like, wow, everyone hates superheroes here. And the Avengers go to the Justice League world, and they're like, there's statues of the heroes and museums, and they have national holidays for the heroes. And obviously we know that the Fantastic Four are going to pop over into the normal MCU universe and it's going to be that level of whiplash. Yeah, absolutely.

Where they're like, oh, this universe sucks actually. I've come to do good things. Fuck you! Weird freak. You freak, you rock freak. Get out of here. What is interesting as well, I think, is that it isn't really like a showcase of powers. I think that is a complaint of mine.

I know we'll see more of that, but this is the least stretchy Reed Richards I think we've ever seen, even physically. He just goes from like, he might spider man about a bit, but even like you'll see him in the classroom and maybe he'll extend his arm. But he should just be using that just around, you know, I feel like he... Do you get that sense? No, I kind of... To me this felt more comic accurate in the sense of... Oh, I have to get this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I kind of felt like it was... For him, the stretching stuff is a nice thing to have, but it's the afterthought after his incredible genius. But I feel like you could tie those two things together. Like Johnny Storm less so because he would just use his powers as he needs to. Ben Grimm is obviously Ben's Grimm. And even Sue Storm you see some really creative uses. This is sort of a spoiler, but it's in all the trailers now.

She's pregnant and you get to see the baby. So she makes like her stomach like translucent. I think like everybody kind of uses their powers and we see some interesting stuff except for Mr. Fantastic. Reed Richards. You want to turn into a big brick. I don't know. Just do something.

It's not just stretching your arms and legs. And this is not a performance thing because I think Pedro Pascal is great. He's a really good Reed Richards and I'm glad that they're going to be doing more of this. But I don't know, do some more stuff, man. It's like I'd imagine how you felt when you saw Dr. Strange and you just did Firecracker Kung Fu. He did do Kung Fu, yeah. But then later he ended up doing all sorts of shit.

But I liked how he was big smart. Sure, he was big smart. He was big smart. Yeah. I liked how Sue Storm was tired. You know, she's pregnant and had a baby. Sure, yeah. She's just like, I don't know, I can't with this.

I thought that was just felt very realistic. But I also appreciated she wasn't that version of, you know, Sue Storm where she's like, she uses her powers and she's like, oh no, I'm so faint now kind of thing. You know, she's a professional. Yeah, absolutely. You know. And it also leads into their relationship quite a bit. And it's not perfect.

You see like cracks in it and maybe cracks that will present down the line. We know Namor's coming back as well, so that could... I don't think that's it. I don't know. I think that's why you'd bring him back. I think that's why you'd bring him back. Okay. Yeah.

Man, this new universe we're trapped in sucks, but I like that fish guy. That's right. He's giving me the eye. He's giving me the fish eye. Ooh, the fish guy eye. I also, you know, there was this idea, because they were talking about how this version of Johnny Storm is, it's a modern version of him. People, there was concern, I guess. Yes.

I don't know if it's actual concern that like, oh, they made him, what, he's going to ask for consent and they're not be a ladies man or whatever. And you were happy that he never asked for consent. Well he didn't need to, because it didn't happen. But I got the sense that he never asked for consent. Well, he didn't need to because it didn't happen. But I got the sense that he was a ladies' man and very charismatic. And you just get that feeling from him. Yeah, absolutely. And the cocksure and a little bit of lack of confidence, but competent and really good

characterization. Whereas the Chris Evans version, which is very of its of its ear and whatever hasn't aged that well. No, which what or even like that's just what a guy was like then I guess also still now to an extent but I thought this version was very authentic to the character and also just yeah yeah to the modern day I guess. Yeah I liked all the looks everybody had a nice kind of they got got a different costume each. Faux 1960s looks and that kind of thing. I kind of wish Sue Storm had like a 1960s kind of beehive bob situation. Oh yeah, sure.

But you know, you can't have it all. Can't have it all, can you? You expect a mum to maintain a beehive bob. They probably got a robot for it. They do have a robot. They do have a robot. Love the robot. Love how its face is a reel to reel type

and you can change that. Depending on his environment. God, I love that. He's got a home behavior, but they go into space. Home behavior. And then he's got a space, he's got a space tape when they go to space. I guess there's not enough room on the tape

for space stuff while he's at home. So yeah, that was fun. I liked how competent everybody was. Yeah, they were. Yeah. I mean, and the thing looks great. I mean, he pretty much always looks good, I would say. Yeah they were. I mean and the thing looks great. I mean he pretty much always looks good I would say. And he's just very convincing. Big brow. Natasha Leon is in this sort of briefly. Yeah and it just kind of I feel like Superman it just hit the ground running. It's like

this is the universe. You get it. Let's go. Let's do some science stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Even like, cause yeah, there's that opening four or five minutes, which I think they've released online where they just do, you know, the classic cover that you get villains really quickly. Wizard Mad Thinker Diablo, I think is one of them. Mole Man. One Super Ape. Yes, one Super Ape, but no Red Ghost.

Yeah. I was going to say the moment where they're recreating the first Fantastic Four comic book cover, I appreciated that in that Sue Storm is actually using her force field ability, because I don't think at the time she maybe didn't have that. She only did invisibility. So on that original cover, she's like,

oh no, I can't turn invisible fast enough. But now she's just like, I'm going to crush this guy to death with force fields. It's good, modernize it a little. Agreed. A bit of fun. Yeah. I mean, obviously the best Galactus we've seen, because last time he was a cloud. He looks incredible. This is incredible. Incredible. The scale of it. The scale of it. Exactly. You know, there's, we of course, you know, they go to, we encounter his spaceship and the fantastic force. It's very like, yeah, it's very HR Giga.

It is a little bit, yeah. Kind of design, like pipes and weird stuff. But the scale is incredible and I loved it. I mean, you saw it in IMAX as well, so that would have been. I did. Big. I saw it regular and I still felt it. Big?

Yeah. Well, I was even bigger for me. Ralph Emerson said to get into the mind of this character, to get his head around it, it'd stand at like on top of tall buildings and like, and high mountains to get his head around it, he would stand on top of tall buildings and high mountains to get an idea of, well, this is how he sees the world. He's not seeing the detail in things. Right. Okay.

Normally he was saying, when you're getting into the mind of a character, you're like, I don't know, I got a sword. I don't know. I work in an office. Whatever. I'm finchy in the office. What would a man called Finchy who worked in an office be like'm Finchie in the office. What a man called Finchie who worked in an office be like. Yeah, awful. Yeah, but just to get a grasp on his scale and age. And this version of

Galactus which I really liked also, it's briefly mentioned that he's from a previous dimension and he was a guy, which is also the comic book version of... Yes, correct. And like, we don't... Maybe we'll get to that down the line, but did that universe collapse and die? Spoiler, it did, yes. Okay. But not in this though, they don't say that in this, do they?

No, but he's like, traditionally he was the last survivor. The previous universe just big crunched. And he was the last guy left alive. The transformation from the big crunch to the big bang of the new universe, he was there. So it transformed him and made him a part of the universe. Okay. Yeah. And now he's got a big hat.

He's got a really big hat. Got pipes that stick into him and he's got the power cosmic. And he eats stuff. I think they found a good balance between like, because sometimes there's a guy and he looks like that because you can't comprehend what you're looking at. So you're like, I don't know, a guy. But this is, it's a guy in a big ship. So I think that way you get to have him down on the planet.

Yes. And you also get a reason or like a way that he could consume a planet, which is the ship and then it pipes it into him. It does pipe it, pipes it right into him. Yeah. And Silver Surferz looks good. Looks great. Yeah.

I like her. Worked for me. Yep. Terrific. Yeah. Will she be back? Who cares? No, I'm just cares not mistaken maybe I don't know yeah I wouldn't mind like the silver surface yeah it's um it's interesting but I think if they're going to the MCU and they bring the silver surfer over I mean they could just fold

this one in it's fine look I think what they'll do we'll talk about it spoilers super surf it oh yes why can't we have it yeah? Why can't there be a female Galactus as well? Well there is this Galactus' daughter. That's what I'm telling you. Okay right. But in the movie. I don't know. Galactus looks the same but just a ponytail.

Oh takes the helmet off, shakes her hair out. That's right. Johnny Storm's in love. Oh my god. Johnny Storm's in love baby. I love girl actus, he says. Nice. Did you think of girl actus and this whole thing's been

a precursor to you? I've written his say Girl Actus but work it in naturally. Yeah you did. Yeah. I didn't know this. No but I just thought of it. Okay that's great. Yeah. Okay I'm gonna say best movie ever. Yeah. I think the actors. Got a nice thanks to Jack Kirby at the end. That's good. Yeah. He is dead. I know. He didn't see it. I know he didn't see it. Okay. But I'm just saying.

Okay. It's good to acknowledge. Because my son was like, who's that? And I'm like, well, he's the real guy, I guess. Yeah. We do see there's a moment in this where we see, I think, two comic book creators, they're in a room and they're, I think they're observing some fantastic full action. Oh, I didn't notice that.

And I think maybe they're supposed to be Stanley and Jack Kirby, I think. There you go, okay. Yeah. Wow. What if a man got really big? You could draw that. I'm already drawing. I quit, Stan. I'm not drawing it. I'll write the words. Look how big this man is. Now, if you could draw some oral words, that would be good.

You could draw the rest of the words, that would be great. Look, I'm going to say best movie ever, I think the action sequences are good. I liked how they did a bunch of science in their attempts to save the world. That's true. Not all the science works all the time, you know? That's so true. And that's science. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Love the look, love the... I thought it was very sweet and sincere and I thought the family stuff worked. Let's do this then. Go on. Of the three MCU movies this year, how would you rank them? So it's this Thunderbolts. Captain America the third. Oh so you know I can then there's Captain America. I think I need to do a Thunderbolts rewatch yeah but I think just in terms of they're taking a stab at a new thing I'm gonna say Fantastic Four's at the top then Thunderbolts then way down as Captain America

four. Yeah. Not due to Anthony Mackie's performance or anything like that. I just think it was a little generic. Very average movie. Very average and pretty generic. Yeah, I think the swing that it took was interesting. And again, it is a straight shot at it, which isn't a bad thing necessarily. But again, there could have been more stretching. It could have been. I sound like you. It's like, so you can play. It is, isn't it? But I think, I think just coming out of both, I think I liked Thunderbolts more than this. Well, you're allowed to.

But this makes me go, oh, that's interesting to what's next, which I haven't done for a while. See, there we go. So there is, they got me on that, I guess. Spoilers! Again, I think, I think it's, Thunderbolts I think was a lot of fun in that they took what... Thunderbolts? Thank you, more like Gould-a-Bolts. Some of them were. It's true. I think just in terms of taking

some second string of characters making them really interesting again I think that was good I think that really worked but I'm just in terms of... Yeah. It didn't it didn't feel like they skimped on this. It didn't feel like they went, yeah, this'll do, and I'm not coming out of it going, why didn't they just, et cetera? Or like, why couldn't they have made this look a little better?

Or why couldn't they have, you know? This one really felt to me like, it felt to me like Iron Man, the first one, and they went, we really need to knock this one out of the park like aesthetically and writing wise and acting wise I mean it's not flawless obviously could have been more stretching yeah yeah exactly but I think overall yeah I think it's a good addition to because these are all going to merge at some point that's right we'll talk about yeah anyway big time spoiler time yeah what are we What are we spoiling for this?

Galactus wants to eat a baby. He does want to eat a baby? Yeah. Fat bastard style. Yeah. Well, he wants the baby to replace him as a big cosmic lunatic. That's right. Exactly.

Yeah. Because of course, their soon to be born son, who will be Franklin Richards, he is a mutant and he has great, he can tap into great cosmic powers. Yeah. So Galactus, upon meeting the Fantastic Four is like, Shit, give me that. Yeah, exactly. Maybe we can do a big switch. We can put him on the pipes and I can just get out of here. I can just chill. I can go down to Mexico.

Sniff some dirt, which he likes doing. I thought that was a nice little touch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, yeah, he's a dude. Do you think they went, is he going to munch the dirt or no? I thought I thought he was going to do it. Yeah, but then they're like, they'd be too silly, I think. Yeah.

You know. Yeah, I like the fact that he was, you know, he's compelled to do this. Yeah. He's not, he's not here out of malice, although he does kind of, he can be mean. Yeah, but he wouldn't, he's not gonna kill you if he doesn't have to. Yeah. He's, you know, it doesn't- He does have to though.

He does have to, no, but I mean like, yeah, no, I mean to get the baby. Like, he's like, ah, but I mean like he... Yeah, no, I mean to get the baby. Like he's like, this team is like not worth acknowledging. Yeah, and again I think, yeah. Should have got the ultimate nullifier. Fucking bam. You're right, there was no ultimate nullifier, was there? Yeah.

The fact that I like the, you know, the whole dynamic where the team goes to Earth and they're like, cards on the table. Dunno. Yeah. Don't know. Yeah, don't know. Galactus did want our baby, but I'm going to be real with you guys. You can't have the baby. We've grown attached to this baby we've made. So no. And then the world's like, well, that's bad actually.

And I loved Sue Storm had that speech. I liked the fact that they all had interest outside of being superhero stuff. Totally. Like Reed, obviously the scientist and then- Ben's a man of the people. Ben's a man of the people. Sue Storm is a diplomat. She brings the world together with that speech and she's like-

I thought you were going to say Sue Storm's a mum. She's also a mum. That's true. She's got three things. Superhero, mum, diplomat. What does she say in something like the speech is like, like I'm not gonna give up my child for this world But I'm not gonna give up my world for the child. Yeah, that was that was it. That's again. That's a good solid line great um, and then

You know, I liked how they were what this this world where they're like we can get the whole world to work together Yeah, you know, that's the most that's the most unrealistic part of this movie Well, it is a different unit. It is a different universe where they're like, here's the plan, we're going to teleport the earth to another galaxy. Insanity. Right? Loved it. Yeah.

That's the kind of big swing. That's the answer. To teleport a planet. To teleport the planet. And then only afterwards, and that's classic Reed Richards as well, only afterwards they're like, hey maybe we could just teleport Galactus. Oh yeah, that would be easier. Yeah, we'll do that.

Yeah. There's, I don't know. Is there any reason why he got out of his ship? Was it just to get the baby? I assume Like they weren't like come and get it. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, maybe he has to yeah Maybe he has to get to maybe he has to cuz I don't know cuz I think he and the ship are sort of the same Being yeah, maybe yeah, so maybe he has to Touch grass as it were sure. There's a comic book, there's an image comic book from ages ago called Mr. Majestic. It's a Marvel movie, I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah I know, but there's a comic book called Mr. Majestic and he's sort of like a Superman kind of character and the first issue of one of his ongoing series, this being like a Galactus style being he's gonna come to destroy the earth but

he realized that Majestic realized and he's to come in a few decades time. He gets advanced warning of this. And so he realizes that if this creature doesn't recognize the solar system, it might leave. So in between all those others in this just one issue in between all these other superheroing stuff, he reorganizes the solar system. Like he moves everything around. He changes the asteroid belt, he splits the sun into, he does all this other stuff. And then right at the end of the issue, this primordial monstrous creature that's going to destroy the planet shows up and goes, now this is what I was looking for. And he leaves and then he's like, all right, now time to put the solar system back the way it was. Here we go. And that's that's a Reed Richards type character or is he a Superman?

He's basically Superman. And that he has since been integrated in the DC universe. Yeah, while someone got purchased by DC, but he's he's like Reed Richards and Superman. That's very similar to this. And that I like to like this big 60s kind of and that's something Superman would do back in the back in the silver age. Age maybe is just throw some planets around and yeah I thought that was I like the idea that yeah he just you know they're like yeah let's let's teleport this planet and everybody else like okay sure why not sure why not and then the Silver Surfer has to ruin it

they forgot the Silver Surfer can just shoot lasers and stuff and travel through space and time at like great speed and I liked how even even Johnny Storm had something to do. He's like, I'm a real cunning linguist. He's not just a hothead. James, he's a cunning linguist. OK. Do you get it? What is that?

He knows words and stuff. OK. He hears the recording. I like they were golden records. I love that. I'm going to call my friend DJ Carla to see if he gets it. OK. Do you think you'll get it?

He won't get it. He doesn't get that sort of thing. But he wishes he did? No, I don't think he does. Okay. I don't think he's... No, I don't think he does. Alright. Yeah, but yeah, I love the fact that the recordings in this universe, they just do Voyager Golden Records.

Yeah. They just cut a record and then he figures out... Yeah, he's not the smartest guy but he's smart enough. Reed Richards is busy. I mean it's smarter than anything I think I could do. Absolutely. He gets this one snippet of speech and he's like I'm going to translate this woman's whole language. Yeah. What is Johnny Storm's like thing in the original comics? Because Ben's the pilot. Yeah. He's Sue's brother.

Yeah, that's what I mean. That's it. He's just tagging along. Okay, yeah. Because he's the little. Yeah he's Sue's brother. Yeah that's what I mean. That's it he's just tagging along. Okay yeah. Because he's the little brother and he's hanging out. Because they kind of do say to the start they're like I got the greatest minds in the world to come with me. Sue Starr my wife she's wonderful Ben Grimm's a great pilot. This guy. He's my brother-in-law and you know. I know I like him. Yeah he's got a certain quality to him. Yeah, he does that thing. So yeah, just again seeing Big Galactus storm through the city and watching the fantastic full battle him.

It's taken decades. God it's good. And yeah, maybe I like this more than I thought, which I did like it quite a bit. And it was a clever use of their powers. It wasn't just everybody using their powers all at once. Just to like, and just seeing Sue Storm just fucking wreck herself, like pushing this guy, like pushing herself to the absolute limit. Oh, and there's probably the main spoiler.

She over exerts herself and she dies. Whoa, just like Gandalf. But luckily- Her baby's magic. Her baby is the ultimate power, cosmic and can alter reality in all sorts of ways and brings her back to life. Yes. And is that going to be a problem when he becomes a surly teenager? No. Hey mum, technically I've been reanimating your corpse for all this time and I'm mad at you today so guess what? I'm mic swapped. You're dead again. You're dead again mum. I feel like if they swap him with Galactus, he's coming back to earth that kid to be like,

you did this and I'm not happy about it. You made me into a big Galactus. he's coming back to Earth that kid to be like, you did this, and I'm not happy about it. You made me into a big Galactus. It's probably true. Yeah. So in the future, Franklin Richards, what becomes of him? Well... Well, a number of things. Yeah. There's also Franklin and Valeria.

Yeah. So he, in the, in... because he's, because he can alter reality in such fundamental ways. Sometimes he ages himself up to adulthood. As a tween, he's in a superhero team called Power Pack. But then sometimes Nathaniel Richards, who is Reed Richards' father or possibly grandfather, sometimes abducts him to raise him as like a future warrior. And then he shows up and he's in, he's a grown up. He was in a team called Fantastic Force where he was an adult, but he's got incredible reality altering powers. Currently he is just a kid I think, like in the current comic books.

Don't know. Yeah. We'll see what he does in the movies. Yeah, and I mean of course in this he's aged up to like, he grows up normally. Four years later. Four or five years later. So I don't know. I think they're probably going to go with the current comic book continuity where it's

him and he's just, he can do, you know, he's Jack-Jack. Yeah. He's got whatever power he needs. Do whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I guess that brings us to our post credits. Yeah. Do you want to talk about this?

No. No, I mean, okay, it's a few years in the future and he's a little boy and he's like I love books and also physics and whatever. Exactly. I'm a smuggler boy. But then of course, Sue leaves him alone for a moment and then comes back and guess what? He's having a fun chat with somebody in a Doctor Doom hood. Yeah, and then holding a Doctor Doom mask. Do you think he's scarred already? Yes. That was a classic That was a classic um Doctor Doom look as well from what I could say It looked like the version that they were doing in the like they the comic-con

You know that very the that kind of math like, you know the back. It's not like a fancy high-tech version Yes, correct version. Yes. It is. Yes I wonder whether the idea behind bringing all those Doctor Doom's on stage mean that like, some of these are Doom bots, maybe that's a Doom bot, because like, would Doom risk taking himself like going to their... Oh, I see. Yeah. Well, he does originally, like in his first appearance he does, so my guess would be yes,

that is real Doctor Doom. Do you think they know him? Yes, they would, because they went to university with him. Yeah, I know, but this version dr. Do you think they know him? Yes, they would because they went to university with him Yeah, I know but this version I mean, I think they do. Yeah Do you think he snuck onto the ship like Julian McMahon did our IP? No, I think he's just a guy Yeah, okay So I think because we see let viria as we do we say we see there's a meeting of the their version of the United Nations and the Latvarian

Representative is not there. So my guess is they that that's that I would guess that's a long-standing thing and Latvarian representative is not there. So my guess is they, that's, that's, I would guess that's a long-standing thing and Latvian has not been heard of from some time. Yeah. And I think this will be a similar thing where they're like, we haven't seen Victor Von Doom in years and now he's suddenly back and now he's suddenly back in their lives. So there's a personal connection to him. Yeah. And they're like, what the frick are you doing? What do you think he's looking for? I think I have a theory, but what do you think?

I think he's probably got the sense that the energy emanating from Franklin and the Richards is somehow able to give him a dimensional, open a dimensional gateway or something like that to access the rest of the multiverse and he wants to do a battle world. I think it's that and I think it's also teleportation because they've got, they can do teleportation. Oh yes. And transport entire worlds. Oh yes, absolutely. So you could smash a world together. Yeah. To make your own world. Yeah, I mean, I think in this case, yeah, it's serving the larger... This is the first key to Doom's larger plan to create battle worlds for whatever reason. Maybe create a perfect world, I don't know.

But ultimately, after Doom's Day and Secret Wars, it's going to be... Then it's going to be the reboot. The hard reboot, I think. Also, like the Thunderbolts post credits, this was directed by the Russo brothers. Oh, interesting. And seeing the Fantastic Four ship- Okay, you stand there and you stand there. And then I'll move the camera.

You're already sitting. Okay, Robert, you don't want to sit. You don't want to stand. You're going to sit. They didn't need Robert to add his seat. No, absolutely not. That's probably one of the Russo brothers. That's true.

I think, because we see the Fantastic Four ship their to the MCU dimension at the end of Thunderbolt That's great We don't even know if the Fantastic Four are on that because that's that's why I thought this movie was gonna end With them like somehow getting rid of Galactus, but in the process they're flying into a regular dimension That's what I thought too. Yeah, but so I mean that could be Doctor Doom on that ship We don't yeah, because apparently there's going to be a scene in the next movie where we get some Earth 616 characters which is the regular MC even though 616 is the... Doesn't matter.

They're going to visit the Fantastic Four in their universe. Oh interesting. So I don't think it's all of the Fantastic Four. I think it's... It could be none of them or some of them. It could be some of them. It could be... It could be the Fantastic Four and whatever team went to the

Fantastic Four's universe and they're all coming back. Yeah, absolutely. It could be Sam Wilson's Avengers team potentially. Yeah, Screen Rant, they spoke to Kevin Feigen and he said, we didn't do chemistry reads but whenever we cast it with the blue sky dream of one day being able to do that, and that's a great example, that is the pairing of Johnny Storm and Peter Parker. We've never been able to come close to it before. And now it's the in the realm of possibility. That's exciting. That gets me up in the morning because they're mates in the comics. Also, Peter Parker

has joined the Fantastic Four. Yes, absolutely. So that makes sense. So that would do that. Also. Yeah, this is that quote I was talking about. This one's from comicbook.com where Kevin Feige said, I would say now the iconic Baxter building living room and kitchen we saw in the, saw the four get to know each other in this movie. Let's say a lot more, there's a lot more people in that kitchen in the Avengers and it's fun to literally see people coming together in each other's homes, which is pretty awesome. So that could be they visit the dimension or the world is smashed together in a battle world situation. Whereas this version of New York and whatever else. Yeah, I got them. The standard MCU universe, they're like, oh, we just recovered from the

blip and now we're getting a, we're being battle-worlded. It's embarrassing for us. It is embarrassing. Also, Kevin Feige said that even before, this is how he put it, they talked about replacing Kang. He said, we even started before what had happened to the actor happened. Didn't name him specifically. Okay, sure. He's one of the majors as Kang. We started to realize Kang wasn't big enough, wasn't Thanos.

We did get beaten up by Ant-Man. I reckon probably don't have him get beaten up by Ant-Man. I reckon, probably, don't have him get beaten up by Ant-Man, a minor character. Have Ant-Man barely escape with his life and go, that guy defeated me, Ant-Man. Or he killed me. Who knows who else he could defeat? Or he killed Ant-Man. Wasn't that the original plan, that he killed Ant-Man? Yeah, they probably should have done that.

But I reckon at that point they were pulling out of it, yeah. Because of the Fox acquisition, we finally had it and it was Doctor Doom. So we started talking about Doctor Doom even before we'd officially pivoted from Kang and he started talking to Robert Downey Jr before Ant-Man 3 even came out. Isn't it fascinating they're calling this phase and they've remained still calling this phase the Multiverse Saga even though there's been some Multiverse stuff. TV shows. And people hate it. Yeah. I don't get it. Yeah. They're closing the door on the multiverse.

I mean, this is the, we have talked about this before, but they're doing the thing that DC did in the 80s where they're like, we open the door to the multiverse. It's so difficult to write. We hate it. We're shutting it down. Yeah. Initially, it's like, anybody can visit anybody. But then it's like, oh, anybody can visit anybody.

Yeah. This is tricky. And anybody can visit anybody but then it's like oh anybody can visit anybody. Yeah this is tricky and anybody can die or live there's no there's infinite stakes but also no stakes. Yeah. So they're I think Doomsday Secret Wars they're closing the door on the multiverse just not in not in the comic but in the movies for sure they just like we're gonna we're gonna refine this and we're gonna pick the stuff that people love, we're gonna pick the actors that are still on contract, we're gonna figure out who wants to still be in this of the old crew, and this is gonna end with the same way Crysis and Infinite Earths ended, one universe with the stuff we liked and

some new stuff we're hoping will work, and anything that doesn't work we're getting rid of it. Yeah, that goes into a big cosmic void. And Jonathan Majors is going to be there and he's going to play everybody. We wrote it down. Do we have a $50 million in the budget for Chris Hemsworth? We don't. Well... Apparently he's the second lead in Avengers. That's the story. Okay, so he's getting a $50 million. He's getting a $50 million. Here's something that's probably a big lie.

This comes from My Time to Shine, Hello. Oh, so it is, yes. So this is the original, apparently, post-credit scene. Oh, there's another one where it shows the classic 1960s cartoon with this style. A revamped version. Yeah, where we see Pedro Pascal animated, Mr. Fantastic, and so forth. I say that only because the other three look pretty much identical. Absolutely, yeah, because he's got a little beard and whatever.

For Fantastic Four First Steps, they originally planned a post credit scene with Chris Evans' Nomad coming to warn them. Then they replaced it with one featuring Doom. Now in the final version, there are two post credit scenes. I mean, I don't know. I mean, if this was true, I think Chris Evans is coming back. Nomad is in Captain America, but he's not Captain America. Yeah, they could also, they could do that. they wouldn't have to de-age Captain America, it could just be Captain America while he was doing his time travel stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or it's the Nazi one, whatever, you can throw him in. Sure, okay, yeah. Yeah. I mean, people would have lost their shit if that's true, which it probably isn't. But I just thought it was worth mentioning. Got some reviews here. What if it was foul-mouthed Johnny Storm from the Deadpool movie? He died, he got his skin pulled off.

Well, he's still alive, but his skin is off. True. And he's like, I used to be like you! My skin's off! Reviews. People on the planet broadcasting. Great mates, Facebook group. I love that.

This one's from Stuart W. Little, the mouse. I thought it was great. Squeak, squeak, squeak. I love cheese. I love cheese. Flying a little mouse. I thought it was great. Squeak, squeak, squeak. I love cheese. I love cheese. Flying a little plane. And I'm an orphan. I don't love the orphan part. No, but I love cheese. I love my dad, Hugh Laurie. I love... Gina Davis is my mum. Jonathan Lipnicki?

Yeah, he's in it too. He's in it too. I love him also. He's probably in the movie like Mike and Jerry Maguire maybe. That's great. Character-driven little vampires, I think. A character-driven sci-fi, a science fiction film that gives a scale and emotion that the Fantastic Four deserves and builds their world swiftly and elegantly. Cool, this is from Will DePaulo who says, very disappointing. The dog that works at my local IMAX dressed in a Fantastic Four costume was the best part of the whole thing.

Just felt like it was made by an algorithm and everything that you'd expect to happen happened and no swerves or anything really exciting happened. Well first of all, they're setting the movie up for failure if they're putting a dog in a Fantastic Four costume and then being like, can a movie compare to this? No, obviously it can't. I do feel like this movie was kind of like Kevin Feige edited for efficiency. It did feel like there was some stuff chopped out of this. I mean we know there was. We know John Malkovich got removed, which is a shame. And 155 minutes is not long.

No, that's true. Jesse Newell says, on one hand, they nailed the characterization of the Fantastic Four. I love the dynamic between the main protagonist. I love the retro future aesthetic. On the other, I feel it was a huge mistake to include Galactus, a cosmic world eating villain in an otherwise quaint family drama. It was all right right but not fantastic. I like that balance, actually. Yeah.

I mean, and I guess the problem here is if we're speedrunning Introduction to the Fantastic Four, they are going to have to go to another world. Look, I think when we talked about this initially, my prediction was their world is destroyed or they are completely separated from their world and they have to go to the MCU for synergy purposes and storyline purposes and they never see the universe again. But I would like to see a Fantastic Four first step sequel. If we're going to do Secret Wars, I would love a rebooted MCU world, but also the Fantastic

Four world exists as a separate universe and they just live in it. Yeah, I would much prefer that. You visited? Would I visit it? Can you not you can people visit it in the Marvel universe? Yes. Yes.

They could also have another MCU. Yeah, because I think it would be a waste. It would be a waste, I think, to create this world and then just go, yeah, now it's gone and they're stuck in this new one and they have to make it work kind of thing. I would like to either the rumor is that Mr. Fantastic is going to be the new leader of the Avengers in the Avengers movies. Great. But bring it back, because I think the mistake here is speed running this and going, okay, they've fought Galactus, now they're in the MCU and that's it. I want to see them again fight, because they mention in this, there's a moment

where Reed's like, yeah, I set some stuff up and I ended the criminal careers of the wizard and these guys I would love to see that I would love to see him the fantastic full battle the wizard. And they've got other iconic villains. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. So I want to return to that this universe which I think is a mark of a good.

I agree. A good movie. Yeah. Rob Brown said I wish to have been a little more fun before getting to Galactus after the really good speed run of the first four years, but I'm happy it didn't end up being as doom and gloom as the Thunderbolt stinger might have teased in our imagination. And Connor Derman says, best movie ever. I was not expecting it to be such a love letter to Jack Kirby. That was, for me, the best part. My only real beef was the movie not letting the thing say it's clobbering time. He did say it before he hit.

He did. It's true. Yeah. I thought that was fun. I agree. And then he did say it. Yeah. But yeah, cool.

So yeah, I would say people like it from what I can tell from that. I would say overall, yes, that is true. Cool. Should we move it along? Let's move it along. God, I'm ready to move it along to what we're reading. What we're gonna read. Blah.

I'm doing the thing. What are we reading today? Best segment time. Oh, I think so too. That's where we talk about things we've been watching, listening to, and etc. What's going on here? None of your business. I didn't eat a handful of chocolate chips in the house if that's what you think.

It smells like you've eaten chocolate chips. I smelt a chocolate. That's not why I went back into the house but I just happened to go past them and I was like, fuck it, let's do it. What, just a loose pile of chocolate chips? I put them in my overnight oats, Mason. And then your bloody gob. You put them in your gob as well. Sometimes I do, yeah. Put them directly in your gob. Yeah, do you want some later? I want some now. I don't have any on me. Wow.

In the house. Okay. In a secret compartment in my jacket. Mason. Well now I don't want it. What else are you putting in that secret compartment? Bees and stuff. Wow. They're dead bees. Mason. Yes. What have you been reading and watching? Well I did watch some of the movie Heads of State which of course that fake Amazon movie. Isn't that bad or okay? I thought it was pretty fun. Okay. I mean it's not you know, I didn't watch all of it just to be clear. Will you? Yeah, I think I will.

Honestly, I will. So it's Idris Elba and John Cena. They play the Prime Minister of England and the President of the United States of America. They don't get along, but then there's trouble and they got to team up. And John Cena's English accent like? He's the President of the United States of America. What? I should have said the prime minister and the president respectively, and then you would have known.

But he plays like a former action star who is now the president. And Idris Elba is like a former military guy who's now the president. I wasn't going to watch this, but then it turns out Jack Quaid's in it. I want to see Jack Quaid. He's like a special forces. He's like a Hawaiian Church special forces guy.

That's cool. He's on his action Jack Quaid situation. Exactly. And it's got Priyanka Chopra in it as well. Who's that? She is a former Jonas Brothers wife. I think they got divorced. Oh, I know her. Yeah. Yeah, but I think she does very well. She's got a short action sequence at the start. It's also got Charlto Copley in it for two seconds.

Is she still married to Jonas Brothers? I don't know. She might be. She was in Baywatch. Was she? Apparently. She was in Citadel, that show that cost a billion dollars. Yeah, that nobody saw and isn't real. Also on Amazon.

No, Netflix. Was it? Okay. That's great. That's great stuff. I haven't finished it, but I honestly will finish it because it seems kind of fun. I don't think it's gonna be great but I think it's I the everybody's quite charming in it. God good enough there we go everybody. Good enough. Staring endorsement. I also started listening to on audiobook another Anthony Bourdain book. After Kitchen Confidential he did Medium Raw which is sort of dealing with, you know, his fame after the book came out and some TV appearances and trying to make it in Hollywood

and feeling like an imposter because, you know, he's being invited to stuff, you know, with like celebrity chefs who own restaurant empires and he was always kind of a scumbag and, you know, kind of. Well, I like him more. Yeah me too. Or I don't? For the most part I think I do. He seemed like- When you run into Anthony Bourdain books are you going to go down the AI Anthony Bourdain book

route? If they're making them. If they're making, if they're pumping them out I'll listen to them. No I don't know there's some fun, there's some fun. I like an interview with them. There's some fun and sometimes disturbing anecdotes. It opens with him in a kind of secret society. He goes to a secret dinner with a bunch of foodies

and what have you, and they eat an illegal bird that you're not allowed to eat anymore. Like it's a... That's wrong, it's like a, like a, What's wrong with people? I don't know. But it's, it's called, it's like, it looks, it's like a quail. It's called an autolan and it's like a little finch kind of bird, but they're illegal to eat, but you eat them whole.

They cook them. Oh, and all the bones are in it. Yeah. I've seen that in something. Probably in a movie or something. Yeah. But like, No, not in real life. No, probably in a movie or something. Yeah. But like- No, not in real life.

No, I was going to say, probably in one of your secret society meetings. No, only in like a handful of- But you- Choc chips. They- there's a lot of mystery around it, but I was fascinated with this, but there's a lot of mystery around this thing where like they douse them in alcohol and then they roast them and then you eat it whole and you put a towel over your head while you eat them. And suppose, for either one of two reasons,

one because you're eating a bunch of bones and you gotta, you know, it's awkward to look at. But some people say it's because you're hiding yourself from God while you eat this bird you're not supposed to eat. And it's like the most decadent thing or whatever. But I'm like- What did I say this in? I don't know.

I'm Googling it. He also has a story., once it once he's the book came out, his first book came out and he got a bit of fame and, and, and, and money and stuff like that. And he did some TV appearances and stuff like that. Because he always struggled with depression and feeling like a like an imposter and all this sort of stuff. Where after you know, he got a bit of fame, he took some time away from himself and he was like I'm gonna he rented a little place on a

Caribbean island this tiny little island and he would get really drunk he would go out for dinner and he would get really drunk and then he would drive home and on the way home there was this really sharp turn on a cliff right and what he would do is he would turn the radio on and it's fine okay I mean ultimately it's not ultimately not but yeah this is he would turn the radio on and it's fine. Ultimately, it's not fine. He would turn the radio on and he made a pact with himself. If he turned the radio on and the radio was playing like a deep cut, like a cool piece of music, he would take the turn and drive home.

But if he turned the radio on, it was like ABBA or something like that, he was going to drive off the cliff. And fortunately, it was never like a mainstream hit. It must have been ABBA eventually. I guess it was, yeah. God damn. Anyway, there you go. That's grim.

Yeah, but anyway, it's an interesting lesson. Sounds that way. And it's narrated by him, so that's cool. What have you been reading or listening to? Well, like what's Squid Game Season 3, which wraps up Squid Game with the promise of more American Squid Game to come. Okay, and there's a special guest who I'm not going to spoil. Yeah, I'm going to spoil it here.

But yeah, I mean it's a pretty consistent show and I like it quite a bit. Okay, that's interesting. It does, I feel like it's overprotective of the main guy. Like he never really has to make a choice because people will start stabbing each other before. Right, okay, yeah. Oh, I see, right. So some very convenient kind of...

Yeah. Some stuff crops up immediately. And he's like, oh yeah. It's a pretty consistent and great show and it'll continue I'd imagine in some fashion. I also watched the movie Friendship with Tim Robbins and Paul Rudd and Kate Mara. And what did they think of it?

Who? Tim Robinson and Paul Rudd. And Kate Mara. When you watched the movie with Paul Rudd. Well, they'd already seen it. So they were telling me about it. They're like, you know, in this scene, I'm like, boys and girl, please be quiet. Paul Rudd was Well, they'd already seen it. So they were telling me about it. They're like, you know, in this scene, I'm like, boys and girls, please be quiet.

Paul Rudd was saying all the lines before they happened. No, but for real, what did you think of that? They liked it. Okay. What did you think? I liked it too. I mean, if you're familiar with his humor, it's that he plays that heightened version himself but in a mostly real world.

Right. Because Tim Robinson's character and Paul Rudd's character become friends. And then Tim Robinson becomes obsessed? Well and then he like, there's something, you know, there's some social, I don't know, they're different. And for reasons you find out, he gets ejected from the friendship group and Paul Rudd and he becomes obsessed with it and it kind of... You don't want to be ejected from Paul Rudd.

It opened this whole world to him of like friendship and whatever and like what men can be together. And then it gets taken away from him. He gets taken away from him and he loses his mind over it and his whole world just starts to fall apart. Okay. It's not as dark as I thought it was going to be. It is dark but it's really funny. Okay. It is dark, but it's really funny. And a little bit like life-affirming, but it's more like, God, that's weird and awkward, isn't it?

But if you like his sketch work, I think you'll like it. And again, it's not as heightened as that. I think you should leave. Yeah, but it is. It's well worth a watch. I really liked it. You might not enjoy it. Not you.

You might. You will like it, but other people won't. Okay, all right. Isn't that just art though, isn't it? Art, sometimes you look at it and sometimes you can't. Can't please everyone. Because you've got your yetinabird under a blanket or whatever. So odd. Now it's time for letters. Dude! Yeah. The classic one was, letters, oh letters, we love you, some letters, they're only a day away. We know they're here right letters, they're only a day away.

We're gonna do here right now, we're gonna do letters. You can't, we're gonna get a copyright strike. Never. Okay. I've got a good feeling about this. Okay, that's great. When you wanna reach the show, That's right.

Cause you will eventually. And you do. You can simply send a Gmail to weeklyplanetpodatgmail.com and if you make it short with a compelling potential headline. Make it short. Nick Mason will read it out maybe, but sometimes he won't. A lot of them he won't.

We get a lot of emails. I'll tell you that much. Or you can go to the Planet Broadcasting Great Mates group and there's a thread every week. That's right. You can post it there and we'll see what happens. I wasn't going to read this one out, but now I'm going to for reasons you'll realize in a moment. This is from Michael.

It says, says dude is James Okay, yep, the seemingly random and recent increase of the amount of sentences James is starting with the word dude is worrisome Is he okay? That's for Mike. Just the thing I'm doing at the moment Don't worry, sometimes you try some stuff out. Yeah, we already try some stuff out, you know saying dude is funny saying dude is funny Yeah dude Saying dude is funny. Yeah Dude Yeah, no, I do know I am doing it a concerned person saying dude is funny Dude, are you okay? Dude, dude

Stop the crime you're doing currently. Yeah, you know, yep. Good good question. Okay, but here's another email He's another different email dude. Hey Mason, this question is for James. Hello. This is from Jonathan. Hello gents. I know that Mason reads the gmails while James checks the socials, but since I'm not active on Facebook, I'm reaching out here. My nephew is starting to turn into a real person, about two and a half years old, and I'm wondering if James has any comic recommendations.

I'm visiting in the next few months and plan on starting his comic collection. Oh man, I mean, it's probably too young for comics. Right, uh-huh. Uh, it's probably like three for comics, right? Uh-huh It's really like three or four probably verging on four is where you can kind of watchmen do that Yeah, watchmen obviously cuz that deconstructs the entire genre exactly. That's right. You got to get them started early on Construction. There's like a fun mini Marvel's Comic my son loves those but he like obviously reads them by himself I mean some of the jokes and stuff would go their head. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's- Time has passed and your son is 10? 110. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jonathan says, I just got a Spider-Man and Friends comic and skimmed the first page. It's complete nonsense.

I guess you could read it to him. Yeah, well that's- There's nothing wrong with life. No, you have to read it to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's not going to be able to read it. You have to explain it to him and do the voices and whatever. That's what I do.

But like Disney publish a bunch of them and whatever. If you're like frozen and tangled and turning red. I bet there's pre-comic book, like there'd be picture books, right? Yeah, I would say yeah, you would go with a picture book. There's a Good Night Groot story book, which is quite fun and nice. So something like that. Yeah, I think you're right. I think going with picture books would probably be the way to go at this point.

But I do have a similar letter, which I've got here, it's from Jacob Stanley, who says, any recommendations on books slash, or comics, not Disney related, for dads to read to their young daughters. I have a 3.5 year old and want to get her interested in things separate from the Disney umbrella. So yeah, as I mentioned,

there are a bunch of frozen comics, but you're gonna have to like explain this stuff to her. She might be a little young, but like Hilda, we've talked about this, like Hilda is a great start. And there's also a TV show and it's like a little bit spooky, but not too spooky. Okay. Yep.

Ah, there's a bunch of like My Little Pony stuff. I mean, I don't know what, I know it's not Disney, but you might consider that the same, the same kind of thing, but it's honestly, there's not a lot of. Girls under five comics and stuff that is Disney stuff. Right. I mean, there is, but like stuff that I would even know. Yeah, right. Like, it does exist.

So I would say Hilda would be a okay place to start. Yeah. What do you think, Mason? I think that also. Okay, great. Yeah. What else have you got there? Ah, this is from Connor.

Connor? Hi, James and Mace. Hi. Hope you're having... Sorry, my phone, I just got a message. That's not true. It's on do not disturb and the note says do not disturb so I can play the Austin Powers theme, which has a real name but I don't know what it is. Hey James and Mace, this is from Connor. Hope you're having a swell week. A few times you've discussed the fact that a big problem for modern

comics is that for a potential new reader the mountains of comic lore and history make them too daunting and inaccessible which made me wonder if either of you are reading the Absolute Universe. I know you've discussed Absolute Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman, but now Flash, Greenland and Martian Manhunt have got the Absolute treatment and I must say they're great. All of them feel really fresh and exciting. I would love to hear you guys' thoughts on them.

I've only read Batman and Superman and I'm a bit behind. I'm also behind on everything but I do agree Absolute Martian Man art is terrific. Yeah I gotta read that. Really really fresh take. I think the problem ultimately is going to be that these exist in continuity with the real DC universe, the normal DC universe, so eventually they're going to have to, they've sort of started crossing them over in small ways and so eventually I think they're going to be folded in or they're going to have to, they've sort of started crossing them over in small ways. Yeah. And so eventually I think they're going to be folded in or they're going to be just a regular universe that the other characters visit. So I think my thing would be enjoy them while they're here.

Yeah. Because I don't know. It's all turns sour. Yeah, I don't know how long this is going to last. I think, but here's the thing though, I think some of them do sort of work better as They're a companion piece to the regular universe like an absolute Batman if you didn't know a lot about regular Batman I don't know how well it would work like I think to me personally that series works better as a companion piece to regular Batman Where it's like what if Batman but everything was like a crazy future Mad

Max dystopia world kind of thing. And he was big. And he was, and he's big. And Bane was even bigger. And Killer Croc is even bigger than that. Yeah, okay. Well, that's interesting. I don't know.

Absolute Martian Manhunter does work very well in this one, though, I think. I think that's probably the pick of the bunch, and that's because it is so far removed from the source material. And again, I think Denny's camp who is writing that is maybe doing his best to shield it from the regular DC universe. I don't know. Okay. But that's- Do they all- are they all in the same universe though, these characters? Yes, they are.

They definitely are. Okay. Cool. I mean, I've heard good things about all of them honestly, even the ones I haven't. Yeah. I haven't seen a single page of Flash or Greenland though, so I should get on those, I think. I'm busy. And you're busy too, so if you could not. I'm also busy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mason got one here. It might get a little bit political. It's from Daniel Phillips who says, what do you think of the South Park take on Trump? You need to see it. I have seen it. I haven't watched a South Park episode in a very long time. And then I was like, okay, let's see if this... And they said the day after signing the 1.5 billion deal, if Paramount terminate it, for

any reason, they'll still get paid. Yeah, I mean, it is very much... I mean, they even acknowledge it, but it's what happens with... It's what they did with Saddam Hussein. It's all of those jokes. Oh, and Satan and so forth. Except it's Donald Trump and he has a tiny penis. There is an AI generator. But what about in the South Park episode? The same as in real life. Oh, interesting. All of those jokes except it's Donald Trump and he has a tiny penis. Right.

There is an AI generated. But what about in the South Park episode? The same as in real life. Oh, interesting. And then, and then, it's about how you use it, Mason. That's what's important. But he doesn't know that. Right.

It's about being receptive. You know what I mean? Sure, okay, yeah. Be like Johnny Storm. That's right. And not like DJ Khaled. There is an AI generated video that looks very realistic where Trump wanders through the desert and takes his clothes off and you see him fully naked and his penis like talks.

So like jokes wise, like yeah, it's whatever. But what is interesting is after doing nearly pretty much decades of just like both sides or whatever to fully take a shot like this at this DLN Paramount. That is interesting. And again, once again, it's interesting, famously they're so quick on their feet, they can take current event news and just sort of churn it out in a week kind of thing. Yeah, I haven't watched the South Park in a very long time. But again, it is interesting that because also I believe that the Colbert report was

cancelled recently. And some have said it's because he was too critical of Donald Trump. So then for them to immediately make a deal with the South Park guys for $1.5 billion and then for them immediately to do this, that's pretty fun. Boy, they're good at negotiating out there absolutely Hey, so go franchise that is decades old they're doing ten episodes a year for one point five billion dollars Yeah, for how many years five years or five years? I'm like that. Yeah, it's amazing. So yeah The it's the same South Park stuff. It's just it's very interesting timing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know

We'll see what happens. I honestly don't know how well it's going to go. What do you think Mason about the next thing? I think it's good. I've got to find you one more email. I'm ready to receive an email. This is from Ahmad. Love from a Lebanese guy in Saudi Arabia. Whoa.

Hi James and Mason, hope you're both doing well. My name's Ahmad, I'm Lebanese, born and raised in Saudi Arabia. This is my first time writing in, but I've been a long time listener following your podcast and of course the Mr. Sunday channel for about seven or eight years now. That's the best thing I've ever done. I started listening back in high school now. I've graduated from university and later my first job. No.

I agree. I agree with that. Be the same. I just wanted to say how much I appreciate all the work you both put into the show each week. You do all the setup and then I show up and I go, oh yeah, I've got to do a podcast. You do more than people think. It's been a constant for me over the years and I genuinely look forward to every episode.

I do have a couple of questions. Can I be the official Lebanese guy born in Saudi Arabia with the podcast? Yes. Yeah. That's the second guy shows up, in which case, who knows. Yeah, we don't know. Have you ever thought about adding any new segments to the show? If so, what would they be?

Well, we don't know. I mean, every now and then we'll do a segment that doesn't mean anything or make sense and then we skip it. Or work at all. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, we'd be open to it. Sure. What segment should we add?

Does anybody have any ideas? Everybody has the ideas. We are desperate here. I think I, I mean, this joke can be mostly like whatever, I guess, but for me, I need the structure. Yes. Because I can't just do a podcast where it just goes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Instantly in any direction. Like don't like that. I don't have an idea of what hmm

I like there being an end point so I can go to another thing exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know Yeah, I'll be open to it. Definitely if anybody has any fresh new ideas will take them for free We're not paying you for them obviously not obviously not but also like we do different segments in the terms of terms of like different videos And whatever well, we did a bright burn commentary. That videos and whatever. We did a Brightburn commentary that's on BigSammage.com. That's true. I guess we do it from that perspective. But yeah, I would totally change this if it was a thing that we wanted to do. We'd have to get rid of something.

Probably the movie news segment for whatever's. You just get rid of that completely. If you got rid of the movie news segment, we could record these months in advance. That is true. We could bank them. We could bank him. We could bank him. We could take the year off. Yeah, that's right.

Wow. Then what would we do? We could just bank more episodes. We could just bank more episodes forever. That's right. Exactly. They could go for 20 years after we're dead. Jamin Elvis says, what's your favorite example

of an actor going from a very bad superhero movie to a very good one? Is it about Mercer going from Madden Webb to Superman, for example. That's a great one. Chris Evans, I guess. I mean, not that his Fantastic Four movies are that bad, but Captain America is better. I mean, I think the high and low watermark, the low and high watermark is probably Josh Brolin, Jonah Hex and Thanos.

Yeah, definitely. Because he's gone from, well, not only has he gone from that one that didn't work and he's terrible to being the big bad for a decade. Absolutely. So good for him. And he was Cabal. Cable. Oh yes.

There's one, Ryan Reynolds. He was Blade Trinity and then Green Lantern and then Deadpool. Does it ever go the other way? Has anyone ever gone an incredible... That's a good question. Has anyone had an incredible initial performance and they're like, I'll take another stab at this superhero thing and then it's just sunk like a stone. I don't think so. Almost all of them are like redeemed.

Yeah. I mean, even that's like, even if you don't like his movies, these Batman movies, but you know, he was Daredevil and then he was a good Batman. And then he was the accountant. And he was the accountant. Who's the greatest superhero of them all. True. Michael B. Jordan. He was fantastic. Again, I would say none of the ones here are bad in those movies, even from Madame Webb. It's a bad movie.

Yeah. Once again, those are nobody's fault except the higher ups, really. Michael B. Jordan, Killmonger, obviously. Halle Berry. But she did Catwoman between Playing Storm. Oh yeah, that's true. Samuel L. Jackson was The Spirit and then he was Nick Fury. And he was Mr. Octopus or something. He wasn't the titular The Spirit. That was um...

When was The Spirit? I feel like 2007? Maybe. Yeah. Was Jim Caviziel The Spirit or somebody else? No, it was the dude from Gabriel Mac... It was Gabriel Mac... Yeah, 2008 was The Spirit. Yeah, Scarlett Johansson was the dude from um Gabriel Match. It was Gabriel Match.

Yeah 2008 was the spirit. Yeah Scarlett Johansson was in that. There's another example. There is a great example. Yeah because he was he was Suits and then maybe Suits LA. That's right. I'm Suits LA. What's going on in this town? This is a New York City. I don't play by the rules. Your suits are cut slightly differently. Well we cut our suits a little bit differently here. Not while I'm here. I'm suits. I'm original suits. New York suits. And my friend here, he was in suits, whatever his name is. He's here. He got his degree in the end or whatever. He's Chicago suits. We call him deep dish suits. Look how deep his suit is. We asked Megan Markle. She doesn't want to do it. She's busy. I don't know what she's up to. I'll check the tabloids. Oh no, a bunch of

lies. Their 100 million Netflix deal didn't go through again. Classic. That is a classic Matt Stone and Trey Pei. I guess they made, I guess at least South Park made something. That's true. God, we should make a deal where we don't have to make anything. Why doesn't anybody let us do that?

And to be clear, we aren't going to make anything. Yeah, we're not going to do it. But if you give us the contract, 10 million minimum. Straight up. And we won't make anything. We don't gonna make anything. Yeah, we're not gonna do it. But if you give us the contract, 10 million minimum. Straight up. And we won't make anything. We don't need to. We don't need to or anything. Apparently you don't have to, so why should we?

Evidently, yeah. Why are we the first people to have to make something? Why are we the first, and they didn't even make something in the first place. No. We've been making this for years. Why can't we get rewarded with a big contract to make nothing?

It's ridiculous. It is ridiculous. And we didn't even make top 100 of all time. Yeah. Fuck. God. Is that the show? That is the show. We'll end on that note I think. I'm so mad. I'm mad also. Good, both of us are. But not really, I'm fake mad. I'm real mad. Yeah, James seems to be real mad. I'm so mad I'm gonna. Dude. I don't even know what to do. Dude. Sorry. I'm so mad. Dude. It calms me down, dude. Don't do anything drastic, dude.

All right, I'm sorry. Okay, folks, thank you so much for listening to the show. We absolutely appreciate it. Thank you for telling your friends about the podcast, because that is how we get new listeners and eventually end up on the time top 100 podcasts of all time. That's right. Thank you for leaving a five star review on your podcast app of choice. I bet there's an option to do it just in app. You just click away. And if you do that, James will find it.

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The best podcast of the grub era. This is the best podcast of the grub era. Which shitty or otherwise. And or otherwise. Which shitty grub? That's an Australian reference. It is, bro. Maybe.

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It wouldn't be flower. That's too obvious. Maybe a bag of flower. No, it would be flower because that's too obvious maybe a bag of flour No it would be flour because that is too obvious God why can we be Banksy? I'm thinking of cool ideas like that all the time. I could think of cool ideas all the time too Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What about this guy is Looking at the TV. What's it what's on TV? Ah, just you know what it is. No, it's a mirror Nice to society nice, but in the in the actual installation it is a donut. No, it's a mirror. Nice. To society. Nice.

But in the actual installation, it is a mirror. Yeah, it's a mirror. And people walk past and they go, I'm in the TV. You go, what's on the TV? Oh, it's me. It's me, I'm in the TV. I'm social media or whatever. And then a guy hands you a donut.

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Yeah, and you'll find a t-shirt to your liking. Do you think people will like it? Yes. Next week, what's next week? Well, we could do the one, the Michael Shanks new movie. Oh yeah, together. But we might not. Okay.

I mean, I know. I would like to see it. It would be in my best interest to not do that because it would be a conflict of interest. You think so? Yeah. I mean, even I have seen it. Wow. And we're supposed to do an interview or that, but I don't know if it's going to happen.

Every now and then we'll reach out like, we should, and I don't know where he is. We'll get him on at some point. Okay. Yeah. Well, Alexi had him on his podcast. Oh, what? Yeah. Just recently, like yesterday, probably.

The last video store. Well, Alexi was in Sydney. It's different. He said, Michael Shanks said, I'm having a great time and this is the last podcast I'll ever do. He messaged me like what? Like a couple of days ago. Wow. Does it say I'm here to, I'maged me like what? Like a couple days ago? Wow.

Does it say I'm here to, I'm just letting you know I'm going to betray you? Yeah, he said I'm going on Alexi's podcast, I had such a good time, why would I bother? And you always said you were the mashed potato to his chanx. You always said that and now clearly Alexi is his mashed potatoes. Well, I'm mad at him and he knows that. I think so. Yeah. Anyway, see his movie if you want to.

I do want to. I'm really looking forward to it. It seems that people might have heard some things about some copyright stuff, but it seems as if that It's made up by an insane person. Well, no, it could be parallel thought because he submitted the draft of this in 2019, which is before the other thing happened. So, you know, that's as far as I know. Unless he's a big liar and he's going on Alexi's podcast instead of mine. He's certainly a big betrayer of you, your friend.

Yeah. But anyway. Look, we're not good friends. We know each other the way that we know each other. I thought we were good friends. No, we just know each other. James, I thought you and I were good friends. We're not bad friends. Would you say that? We're not bad friends.

Alright, thanks everyone. Hanks everyone. Hanks everyone. Chet H bad friends. All right. Thanks everyone. Hanks everyone. Hanks everyone. Chet Hanks everyone. Chet Hanks everyone. White boy summer. Grab that Jimmy guys. Right?

Yeah. It is a white boy summer. Okay, great. Oh dear. Bye.