The Weekly Planet - 620: Clayface, Exit 8 & Michael Movie

Episode Date: April 26, 2026

It’s kind of hard to believe that it is yet again time for another Weekly Planet podcast. It’s even harder to believe we talk about the movie Exit 8 and also the Michael Jackson biopic. ...Plus we talk the news of the week which involves a new video game adaptation from Christopher McQuarrie and Michael B Jordan, the cancellation of Gen V, trailers for Clayface, the first DCU horror movie, Coyote vs ACME, Spider-Noir, Coyote vs. ACME, big trouble for that dude who leaked the Avatar: The Last Airbender movie and a whole lot more. Thanks for listeningJames on new episode of Thumb Cramps (around 45 mins): https://open.spotify.com/episode/4eAygHfrjQYLB3fXTtBIKX?si=e05b8bc1a5034a43New bonuses now available on Patreon! Check out new options for early access, ad-free episodes and exclusive shows every week. Including a brand new ep of exclusive podcast all about clickbait but for The Lord of the Rings! All available on bigsandwich.co and now also patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesPLEASE be aware timecodes may shift due to inserted ads.00:00 The Start06:51 Battlefield Video Game Movie12:35 Gen V Series Cancelled14:21 DC Lanterns Trailer Pulled17:08 Clayface Trailer23:44 Coyote vs ACME Trailer29:35 Spider Noir Trailer32:27 Avatar TLA Movie Leak35:14 Exit 8 Movie Review45:28 Exit 8 Spoiler Segment55:05 What We Reading, What We Gonna Read58:49 Michael Movie Spoiler Review01:15:32 Letters, It's Time For LettersSUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-moviesThe Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The weekly planet, the weekly planet. Welcome back everybody to another episode of the weekly planet where we talk movies and TV shows. My name is James also known as Mr. Sunday. With me as always, Nick Mason. Ooh, good can crack. Thank you so much. That was excellent. Wow.
Starting point is 00:00:16 Yeah. I mean, that would imply that some of your previous can cracks are subpar. I don't think that's true. Let's go back. Let's do a clip show. Colleagues. No, don't do it. Colleagues.
Starting point is 00:00:27 No, don't do it. Do the clip show. Nick Mason wants a clip show. I don't. I don't want a clip shirt. No, no, that's okay. We'll save it for the end. Save it for the end.
Starting point is 00:00:35 About our lives. It'll be the song where Paul Walker died. It's just that and then sounds of me opening cats. Nice. That's for the fans. Okay, imagine your funeral. Easy. I was already picturing it.
Starting point is 00:00:49 Relaxing, right. Your funeral, immediate family, extended family, close friends, and up the back, listeners of the podcast. Everybody's invited. And they're totally disinterested. They're on their phones. until there's a clip show from the podcast. And then everybody's like, yeah. That's how I remember him.
Starting point is 00:01:06 Yeah, that's right. Absolutely. And it's confusing because everybody else in my life would be like, we don't know this side of him. Do we leave? Which is true. Nobody does. And so some of your immediate hip family are filing out
Starting point is 00:01:16 around all the people cheering wildly. Oh, is it a bouncy place the other day? You know, like a kid's bouncy center? Like trampolines? Yeah, like a trampolines kind of thing. It's called big trampolines. Wow. Big trampolines.
Starting point is 00:01:28 If you're an adult, don't go on this because you will shatter your ankles. But sometimes people just do it. They can't resist. I have to do it. I have to do flips. It's going to be me. It's going to be me. I'm telling you. You're connecting with your inner child and shattering that child's ankles.
Starting point is 00:01:39 Exactly. And someone came up like a listener and was like, I thank you so much. You know, whatever. You know, thanks. Who was saying thank you so much there? He was a big man. Okay. He was a big man.
Starting point is 00:01:49 He was a military man. And he said, sir, sir. Did he have tears in his eyes? Yeah, tears in his eyes. Wow. And this is a man who would never normally cry. That seems that way, doesn't it from the way you described him. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:58 He goes, I love your show. It's beautiful. Whatever. Anyway, he had a little chatty. It was great. And then left and like someone was there. I was with like another parent who like knows what I do and whatever. And she was like, what the fuck was that?
Starting point is 00:02:10 And I'm like, oh, it's, did you have fans? I'm like, I guess. Yeah. I mean, technically like, you know, I like to think we're a family. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. I thought you just like made them and I'm like, no, I'm in them. What does everyone like think?
Starting point is 00:02:22 No, he couldn't possibly be. It doesn't have a personality that people would find magnetic or interesting. You have an FM radio producer vibe. Thank you. Totally silent. And then every once in a while you lean in, you push the button, you go, can we go again? Yeah. We go again?
Starting point is 00:02:38 We've got to put an ad in here. Wrap it up. Break for an ad. You might think this is only part of my life. This is my entire personality. Go again. Then we break for an ad. Click.
Starting point is 00:02:51 Anyways, Mason. Yes. It's the weekly planet podcast. It is. And you can tell a personal anecdote. We don't have time. I don't have one. But we're doing small budget movie.
Starting point is 00:03:02 Well, I'm going to talk about Michael in what we were reading, because I did see the movie Michael. And is that a big budget movie? Yeah, it costs $200 million. That's a big movie. It's going to make all of its money back in then some. Probably that week, this weekend. Yeah, easy.
Starting point is 00:03:14 Wow, great, wow. Wow, yeah. Anyway, we'll get to that. But we are going to talk about exit eight, which is a small indie Japanese film, which has got an international release. International release. But there's other things we have to talk about.
Starting point is 00:03:25 We're going to talk about Christopher Macquarie's next project. Oh, yes. Yep. Okay. Yeah, I like it. I like how you phrase that. Okay, good. We're going to talk about season three of Gen V, the boy spin-off.
Starting point is 00:03:37 It's canceled. That's what we're going to talk about. It's not being picked up. It's canceled. We're going to talk about so many trailers this week. We're going to talk about how the lanterns trailer was pulled. We're going to talk about Clayface. We're going to talk about Coyote v. Acme.
Starting point is 00:03:48 We're talking about Spider-Man noir. Then I'm going to talk about the guy who got caught for leaking the Avatar movie. Oh, I didn't know about this. He's in big trouble. Oh. Yeah. Did he do it because he's stupid, ultimately? Maybe.
Starting point is 00:04:01 Interesting. I mean, I feel like if you wanted to leak it, there's a better way to do it. Yeah. I feel like you put it on a physical drive and you leave that drive somewhere, right? You don't leave a digital footprint to yourself. I mean, it's not just, it's not as simple as that, mate. Yeah, yeah. It's not as simple as that.
Starting point is 00:04:13 There are other steps involved. Also, wouldn't, wouldn't, we'll get to it. We'll get to it. We'll get to it. I would do it. I'd do it the right way and I'd erase all my digital footprints. Okay, just cleverly? Yeah, and effortlessly.
Starting point is 00:04:23 Oh, terrific. Yeah. I'm learning from you. Yeah. Yeah, slowly. Yeah. With great effort. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:31 Also, I just want to mention I popped in very briefly on thumb cramps last week. What do you mean very briefly? I was there for like 10 minutes. What were you doing there for 10 minutes? I had to pick up, or it's in the episode, but I had to pick up the PSVita version of Batman Arkham for my son. Okay. Which I'd lent to Joel or Jackson. Sure.
Starting point is 00:04:49 One of them. I happened to be recording when I was there. You'd lend it to the Joel Jackson entity. Exactly. Okay. So yeah, that's a great show. If you like video games and silly video game chat
Starting point is 00:05:00 but also good video game chat, it's awesome Those guys are great I don't like good video game chat Well then you're not going to like it You're not going to like having a good time I don't even like the episode I was on No well yeah you fuck that up royally Thanks man
Starting point is 00:05:11 On purpose I did it on purpose Effortlessly? Effortlessly Yeah man Yeah man Joel and Jackson were They were working on the studio They were walking a big paint of glass Through the studio
Starting point is 00:05:23 I just ran right through that pane of glass Let me tell you You knew what they were doing though, yeah. Yes, of course I did, yeah. And it wasn't like breakaway glass or whatever. No, regular glass. Regular glass, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the entire front facade of the building collapsed just fell down.
Starting point is 00:05:37 But luckily, I was positioned perfectly, so I just went through the open window. Did you mean to do that? Yeah, absolutely I did. Damn, that's crazy. Yeah, I'm crazy like that. Yeah, you're crazy like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, just quick thank you to all of those who was signed up at Patreon, because of course, Mason,
Starting point is 00:05:51 you know this more than anybody. Go on. Everything from Big Sandwich.com, which still exists, all there, all the bonus material. No trouble. No trouble is now at patreon.com slash Mr. Sunday movies and it's all in beautiful drop-down menus and you can put it in different
Starting point is 00:06:03 podcasting feeds. It's in beautiful HD. It is like the six years of bonus exclusive stuff there. It's all of it is that if you want everything it's the $10 tier but Collings also just said he realized and he's because he's figuring all of this out.
Starting point is 00:06:17 He's incredible. He loves to figure stuff out. That you can do an annual membership and it knocks a fair chunk of that. That's not bad at all. If you do want to. But that is an up front of free. so you might want to do that or any of it.
Starting point is 00:06:27 But anyway, just sort of let people know. Thank you so much. It's going great. It did such a good job. I mean, it's also, it's all behind an ARG. You have to figure out the various keys to stick into various locks and stuff. Yeah, exactly. Different star-shaped keys and so on and so.
Starting point is 00:06:39 Yeah, that's right. So you've got to pay and then. And then you've got to pay and then you've got what? How long? 45 seconds or so. Then you die. Yeah, then you die. But you get the content.
Starting point is 00:06:48 You do, absolutely. All right. Let's talk about this. Okay. Christopher McCuwey. Do you know him? Yeah, no quiz. He did the Mission Impossible movies.
Starting point is 00:06:58 I call him Quiz. Yeah, he called him Quiz. He's actually going to write and direct an adaptation of Battlefield, the video game. And you might be like, which era? I do think which era. I don't know. Because there's modern ones. There's slightly in the future ones by a couple of years.
Starting point is 00:07:14 There's very in the future ones. Where your World War I or whatever. I don't know if there's, there are very in the future ones. I think there's slightly in the future one. Isn't there 2142 or something? Ooh, good question. I think there's probably a 2142. Battle.
Starting point is 00:07:25 Which was Kevin Spacey? Was that Battlefield? It might have been another one. Yeah. Oh, that is 2142. You are correct. That's what I'm saying. That's from 2006.
Starting point is 00:07:33 Damn. Remember 2006? That was 20 years ago. What's the most recent Battlefield? Because I would guess they're adapting whatever is in the zeitgeist. Oh, okay. Battlefield 6 focuses on live services support. Great.
Starting point is 00:07:45 Love that. Large maps. Love that. The return of naval warfare. I'm not keen on that, really. Naval? Like a stomach? No, James.
Starting point is 00:07:54 No, like an orange. Oh, okay, and the launch of ranked play. Major content drops the scheduled starting with season three in May. That's terrific. Pick it up now, Battlefield, whatever. This is. It's becoming a movie with Quistamorquoey. Yeah, so that one.
Starting point is 00:08:11 And it's, when is it set? God, people are loving this. Just a roundabout now, I would guess. Yeah, between 2027 and 28. Slightly future one. Slightly future one. Anyways, so we don't know what era. Slightly different looking guns.
Starting point is 00:08:24 Yeah, man. Different scopes. Different laser pointers. Sometimes the magazine's on the back. Yeah. They're probably doing the John Wick reload. Johnwick, Johnwick Flick.
Starting point is 00:08:34 Johnwick Flick. I'm looking about that John Wick game. Michael B. Jordan will produce and maybe star. And I was like, didn't he do something like this like four years ago? He did. Oh, yes. He did a movie called Without Remorse.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Oh, yeah. Which is a Tom Clancy adaptation, but it's a book adaptation. It's one of those guys who's like, I'm in the CIA, but I've been betrayed by the CIA or whatever, or whatever happens in those books. I'm Whitney remorse.
Starting point is 00:08:57 Yeah. Which could be a boy's name or a girl's name. Whitney. I think so. Mike Whitney. Yeah, you're right. That's a good. Right.
Starting point is 00:09:04 I didn't realize that. Yeah. So look, if this was, I like Christopher McQuoey. Sure. Not only his collaborations. Yeah. With Tom Cruise. Because isn't Peter Berg doing Call of Duty or something?
Starting point is 00:09:17 And I feel like that wouldn't be as good. But I mean, ultimately both of these are just going to be special forces movies, right? Okay. Yeah. Peter Berg on video games I remember Is Peter Berg again? Is he a child star
Starting point is 00:09:29 that got turned into a movie producer or something In a machine? Like a Zoltar? Was he a child star And he got put in the fly machine With bloody... He did battleship He did Deepwater Horizon
Starting point is 00:09:42 With a famous producer A name, I can't think of a single one? No. Okay He did Hancock. He did The Kingdom. He did a bunch of Mark Wahlberg movies Where he was standing with a gun.
Starting point is 00:09:52 Yeah. So this is what Peter Berg said about Call of Duty from 2013. He spoke to Esquire. And they said, as a guy who's become a public advocate of American manhood, great question. What? This is what's being asked.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Peter Berg? Yeah, what's your take on war video games? And he wrote, pathetic. Didn't say, he probably, pathetic. Pathetic? Pathetic, pathetic. Keyboard courage. Can't stand it.
Starting point is 00:10:16 The only people that I give a call of Judy get out of free card is the military, is the military. They're out they're serving and they're bored and they want to entertain themselves. Okay, maybe. kids? Uh-uh. And he says, maybe Seals have a standing invitation to your house in Montana, and you spent a lot of time with them. Do you play those games? Some of them do, but I tell you, I think it's pathetic. I think anyone that sits around playing video games for four hours,
Starting point is 00:10:37 it's weak. Get out and do something. But now he's producing a Call of Duty movie. Yeah, he's directing one. I think that's great. I think that's great that he's doing that. Don't you think? Yeah. That's what he looks like. Yeah. A real man. Maybe he was in the military or whatever. Maybe he's in the military or whatever. Or whatever. Here's him standing next to Mark Wahlberg in a black t-shirt. They're both loving the way in that black t-shirt. Yeah, terrific. Doesn't he fear, isn't he the least bit concerned that he's going to have to walk back
Starting point is 00:11:06 those statements about kids playing video games as week? Because that's the audience for this particular video game adaptation. Yes. I don't think he cares. But also, I'm just looking at his career and it's like, you know, he's up being a Hollywood guy, which is whatever. But, you know, you're making movies and acting things. You're making magic. Yeah, he's making, he's made like military.
Starting point is 00:11:26 What's he making? He's making military magic and propaganda or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, how is that more manly than play video games? Or raising your children. Or raising your children, which is the manliest thing. How many children does he have? How many children?
Starting point is 00:11:39 It says 100. That's not true. No, he stole 100 children. Wow. Yeah. We had one children called Emmett. Okay. Emmettberg.
Starting point is 00:11:46 I should have called him Iceberg. Nice. Or Strasberg. Yes. Right? Pretty great name. Absolutely. Anyway, Christopher McQuarrie and Michael B. Jordan.
Starting point is 00:11:58 I like that combination. Mortal enemies to Peter Berg. Maybe. Two opposing video game franchises going into head. I'm just like Peter Berg movies, and I don't think I love a lot of these. He did Friday Night Lights. Okay. You like Spencer Confidential, didn't you?
Starting point is 00:12:12 No, it's a bad movie. What? Yeah. You like the lone survivor with Mark Wahlberg. You're like Deeper Horizon with Mark Wahlberg. Never heard of that. You liked Mile 22 with Mark Wahlberg. You like Patriots Day with Mark Wahlberg.
Starting point is 00:12:21 You like Patriots Day with Mark Wahlberg. Wallberg. Not bad. It's beginning to think, I'm going to say you're a fake fan, but I'm a real fan. You're a fan because you only like the good stuff. 22 American flags or whatever you said just then. Patriots Day. Nice. Great. Let's talk about this. GenVee. The boy spin-off show. It's had two seasons and then they were like, what's next for the children of Gen V? We go to GenVee University. And then they're out in the world and they're going to help defeat Homelander in the boys' final season, etc. And then what will they do in GenVe season three?
Starting point is 00:12:53 Who knows, man. Nothing, it's cancelled. This is by Eric Kripke and Evan Goldberg. Well, we wish we could keep the party going for another season at God Godokin. Hell yeah, brother, Keg's Dance. We're committed to continuing the Gen B character stories. Bong rips. Yes.
Starting point is 00:13:10 In the Boys season 5, another VCU for Cinema Universe projects on the horizon. You'll see them again. I think we will see them in the boys. Oh, of course, yeah. Finale. Or in Boys, Mexico or whatever. We've gone down to Cancun. Well, there's also the Boys Mexico, which is a Spanish language spin-off,
Starting point is 00:13:27 and then there's vort arising, which is out next year, which is a... Probably won't be in that. No. Well, you know, unless they do time travel or whatever, a flashball, I don't know. I don't know or whatever. So, yeah. I feel like GenV did run its course. And the strength of that...
Starting point is 00:13:43 Tertiary course. Thank you. And the strength that last season, the villain before the villain reveal was revealed, was incredible. What's his name again? I can't remember. The guy from... The guy from other things.
Starting point is 00:13:52 got the guys from other things. Hamish something? Hamish McAther-Dugel. McDurgle. So, yeah, there you go. Gen V. I wonder, I wonder if, depending on how Vort Rising goes, I wonder, will this sustain after Homelandner gets his head caved in at the end of
Starting point is 00:14:06 this season? It's a great question. I mean, there are always other people to get their heads caved in, aren't there? It's true, but he's the most... Heads and genitals. Caved in. It sounds like you're doing your heads and shoulders and needs his toes thing, but... But heads and janitors.
Starting point is 00:14:18 Yeah. Can't say I love it. Mason? Yes. Trailer's a hoi. Hong tingling. All right. I'm going to talk about this just quickly.
Starting point is 00:14:27 The Lanterns trailer. Yes. The next, not the next, but it's an upcoming DCU TV series about Green Lanterns. Don't talk to me like I don't know about TV series about Green Lanterns. It's for the common listener. He doesn't know as much about you. But I am the common listener. No, you're not.
Starting point is 00:14:41 I am. No, you're not. You knew what that was, which means you're not a common man. Interesting. You couldn't go out the street. What do you think of the new Lantern's trailer? They're going to be like, what are you talking about? At Bunnings, they'll say?
Starting point is 00:14:51 I haven't even got to beef season two. they'll say. The new lanterns trailer for BCF camping, fishing, whatever, that store? Yeah, that one. Yeah. We love it. You do? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:01 Great. Anyway, it's been pulled from... What does that mean? Well, people think it's a... Well, some people like it. It's because we don't like it, and it's not great enough. So they're making it again with... People are speculating and it's very likely, but who knows, it's a licensing music thing.
Starting point is 00:15:16 Oh, okay. Maybe. But I actually, I don't know and I don't really care. As long as a show comes out, then that's good enough for me. And for you? It is good enough for me. Was there licensed music in that? Probably.
Starting point is 00:15:27 Let me check. It was probably fortunate son or whatever. Probably. Paint it black, one of those ones. Give me shelter. It's really give me shelter. State trooper epic version I'm looking. Oh, okay, sure.
Starting point is 00:15:38 State trooper. Epic version. America. America. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. Great. And it's great. That's not really, it's not trailer news.
Starting point is 00:15:49 No. Also, presumably all the other versions, Like, you know, when movie, keynote check or whatever, when they upload there. They would still be up, surely. Let me check. I can actually check that right now. If you check right now and the official one's still up, that's going to be so embarrassing for you. I don't think nothing's ever embarrassing for me.
Starting point is 00:16:07 A thing? No, I don't think. Yeah, it's on moviephone.com. Movie phone. It's on others. Well. It's on other people being like. Pretty embarrassing.
Starting point is 00:16:16 It's still on keynotecheck.com. You would be on canocheck.com. Yeah. So there you go. Oh, this is really embarrassing for. Warner Brothers slash DC and James Gunn. That's right. Very embarrassing.
Starting point is 00:16:26 I think he's probably deleting all this stuff because he knows the Snyderverse is returning. That's almost it, isn't it? He's just going to slowly do it. Things are not going to notice. And then we're getting less and less stuff. But they're also making him do it. Are they?
Starting point is 00:16:38 So he doesn't want to do it. No, Henry Cavill's like flushing his head down the toilet. He's like, now delete the Superman trailers. He's like, but the movie already came out. And he's like, I don't even care. Yeah. Dunk. Dunk.
Starting point is 00:16:50 You're getting dunked. I am getting dunked. Wow, and that's embarrassing for James Gunn. I agree. Yeah. You can see why that would be embarrassing. Ben Affleck's filming it on his phone. They're going to put that up and place it.
Starting point is 00:16:59 Yeah. So when you search for Lantin's trailer, video of Henry Cavill-Dunking James Gunn's head in the toilet. Damn. Yeah, really embarrassing for James Gunn. Completely agree. Yeah. Speaking of the DCU, they haven't deleted this.
Starting point is 00:17:10 They released it. There's a Clayface trailer. Yes. What did you think? I liked it. I like the look of it. Me too. Here's a synopsis.
Starting point is 00:17:19 Go on. Matt Hagan, a struggling actor, disfigured, in a knife attack. It's pronounced Matt Hargandars. Matt Hargandas. After receiving experimental mysterious injection, he transforms into a
Starting point is 00:17:28 shape-shifting revenge-seeking monster, exploring themes of lost identity and corrosive and corrosive obsession in Gotham City. It is a bit the substance. There's a bit of Dark Man in this. Oh, a little bit, yeah. Movie Darkman.
Starting point is 00:17:40 In the sense that there's bandages. Bandages, but also like a man who can change his face and do revenge, which is what Darkman is in that. Yeah. This looks great. He does look great. You know,
Starting point is 00:17:51 as people I've mentioned, you know, it's a lower budget than some of the other DC stuff. 40 million is the budget, which I think is good idea. Well, I didn't know, maybe this was in previous teasers
Starting point is 00:18:01 or previous synopsiscese that he gets attacked in the street, I think. He gets slashed across the face. That's why he needs this experimental. He probably thinks initially this is good. This is good that I did this. Oh, no, I'm a claimant.
Starting point is 00:18:17 Yeah, sure. Yeah. That effect where he's, Oh my God. Slops his face down and that's nothing again. That's fun. Awful. So apparently, yeah, it's, there's a lot of body horror in this with, obviously, with old school
Starting point is 00:18:29 practical effects. Okay. So there's some, there's probably like a physical element to things like that. How far do you think this is going to go? Because obviously there's, you know, we've seen the creature commander's version of Clayface and he's the giant Clay Monster and he can completely change shape and you could, you know, punch a hole through him and he's fine, et cetera, et cetera. Do you think we're going to get any of that?
Starting point is 00:18:48 I think it'll build up to that. There is a silhouette in the trailer where he appears to be forming his hand into a big club or a mace. Claymace. More like Clay Mace. Nice. Yeah. I think, well, James, there's a couple of things. Timeline-wise, James Gunn said this is set before Superman.
Starting point is 00:19:04 And it's the first DCU film out of chronological order. So it's not just the next thing on. I love how he has to keep doing provisos for all these things. For idiots. It doesn't matter to me when this is set. They can be like, it's a hundred years in the future. He said, gloop, gloop, gloop, gloop. This is set before Superman, but this is out of coronarylog, chronology of the order.
Starting point is 00:19:23 Blah Blah Blah Blah Blis being dunked. Ben Affleck's filming it? Yeah, Ben Affleck is filming it. God, those guys work hard. He also liked a comment that said, I'm guessing it's the same Clayface from Critchie Commandos. So I guess it's before that as well. But who knows why he's liking anything. Clayface monster.
Starting point is 00:19:36 Also, sometimes Clayface is like different guys merged into one. Isn't there different versions? He's never different guys merged in one. Isn't it? Isn't it? Don't they combine different Clayface men? I'm sure they have. Based on my knowledge of this.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Which is decades out of date. No, so there was the original... No, I know there's different ones. Yeah. The original Clayface gained the powers of the next three. Oh, is that what it is? That's what it is. But there's also subsequent clay faces.
Starting point is 00:20:01 Like, I think Clayface 3 and Clayface 4 had a child, and that is the current Clayface, but also I don't know. Yeah, so there are versions where they form together and whatever. Oh. Or operated as a team, but that's not what I'm asking. No, they were the mud pack. They were the mudpack. Correct.
Starting point is 00:20:16 You're good at that, Mason. I know things. You do know something. Some things, yeah. Also, this is a screenplay by Mike Flaniken and Hussein Amini. Mr. Mike Flanagan, he's done all sorts of good stuff. Yeah, remember because it was like, they were like, this is the best. This is the best life of Chuck ever.
Starting point is 00:20:30 Best, the thing, I didn't see Life of Chuck. It was fun. What was it like? Nice. Nice. Nice movie. Fun? Fun movie.
Starting point is 00:20:35 Tom Hilsson does a little dance. I bet he does. Yeah. Who does he think he is? Sam Rockwell? No, he doesn't think he is. Fred Astaire? He might do.
Starting point is 00:20:46 Yeah. I don't think so. Who does he think he is Tom Olland? No. Okay. This is directed by James Watkins, who directed the movie Speak No Evil, and he also did the shut up and drive episode of Black Mirror, which is a very good and harrowing episode of Black Mirror,
Starting point is 00:20:58 if you've ever seen that one. It's where the kid gets... The kid is a pedophile. Yeah, it's that one. I was going to not spoil that ending, but yes, that is the ending. But it's the one, yeah, where he's given a series of tasks because he's blackmailed. Taskmaster.
Starting point is 00:21:12 They should call it Taskmaster. They should have called it Taskmaster, but he's a pedophile. Exactly. And then at the end, well, not of the end, and then it's horrible. It's like a horrible watch. Absolutely, it's a horrible watch. Yeah. And the best black mirror is afterwards you go, oh, horrible.
Starting point is 00:21:27 I'm glad I wasn't in any of that situation. Yeah, that's not real. Glad I don't, I don't know. And then I go and then I look at my phone. Whoa. And am I any better than that pedophile? Yes, obviously. Right.
Starting point is 00:21:38 But it does make you think. Does make you think. Does make you think. The whether or not you should be on your phone. This is out October 23rd of this year. Great. A lot of people have also been saying like, how is this the same universe as Superman and whatever? How's this the same universe as Creature Commandos?
Starting point is 00:21:53 Why is an Alan Tudor cast? Is this because James Gunn said that all the guys in the anime series, they're going to have the principal actors, they're going to be in the live actual. Shut up. Did he say that then? Yeah, he said that at some point. Great.
Starting point is 00:22:07 Yeah. But I think the only proper example of that is Frank Rillo, who is Rick Flagg, Sr., in Critchie Commandos and in the line. action stuff. Oh, I got you. Okay, okay. Also, like, if you look at comic books. I love looking at comic books.
Starting point is 00:22:21 There's, you know, all of the DC stuff, a lot of it said in the same universe is just vastly different. Absolutely. What's the Clayface comic where I read recently where he goes to Hollywood? Mr. Clayface goes to Hollywood. He goes to comic. And he wants to become a Batman One Bad Day Clayface. Where he goes there to like start a Hollywood career and he keeps absorbing different higher
Starting point is 00:22:41 ups in the industry. Oh, interesting. And people keep disappearing. any whatever. James Gunn there? I don't think so. Interesting. And eventually Batman has to go to Hollywood and like, I can't believe you made me come to
Starting point is 00:22:51 Hollywood. Oh my God, he's in some sort of Hollywood themed bat suit, Allah all his novelty suits? Absolutely. The action figures. He's wearing every one of his novelty suits, one on top of the other. Terrific. So, yeah. Also, like, I saw somewhat, I don't know who it was.
Starting point is 00:23:05 It was me. People like, oh, is this the same universe? That was me. That's what I said. Thank you. And it was just a picture of like Jeffrey Dahmer and like Fred Rogers. Sure, right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:13 There's horrible things. things and there's nice things in the universe. And who's to say which one is which? Mr. Rogers is the nice one. That's good, Mason. That was a test. And you passed that pretty convincingly. And Jeffrey Dahmer is the second nice one, I think.
Starting point is 00:23:27 Second? Yeah, I mean, if you had to rank them, if it was true. You have to rank him in terms of coolness. It would be Fred Rogers, coolest. Jeffrey Dahmer's second coolest. Okay. I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
Starting point is 00:23:37 You have to, though. I wouldn't. Do I have to? Do I have to? You do have to, yes. I wouldn't, though. Mason. Uh, coyote versus Acme finally got a trailer.
Starting point is 00:23:47 That's right. According to the trailer, this has been, it's owned by the Acme Compa Corporation. It's released for accounting purposes only, which is a fun little dig. Fun little dig. Because this was originally shelved as a 30 million tax write-off after being filmed and completed. My understanding is also that they had to sort of step lightly around some of that because they were apparently not allowed to mention the lawsuit in any of the promotional material, all the, you know, the legal action around it.
Starting point is 00:24:16 Yeah, I'd imagine that would have been part of the deal with ketchup entertainment purchasing this for distribution. Apparently the budget of this was 70 million and they bought it for maybe 50. Okay. So that's good, I guess. Sure. So they have to make more than $120 million. Well, no, it depends.
Starting point is 00:24:35 If ketchup entertainment bought it for 50. Oh, that's true. They only have to make 50. I don't know. That was what it was, that was what the industry. Oh, my. God. What are you a cat?
Starting point is 00:24:46 There you go. It's more of a dog thing, isn't it? To go out? No, a cat thing. I think a cat thing is you bring them in and then they're in for two minutes. Yes. All right. Settle down.
Starting point is 00:24:56 If I had to rank your stories about cats and dogs, I would give both of them a zero. I didn't, what? Is that what we're doing? Yeah, but I don't think that's how ranking was. Zero. Wow. Yeah. So, yeah, that was the, when they were shopping this around, that was zero.
Starting point is 00:25:11 And that was after, like, huge fan backlash. and whatever. What was the Warner Brothers thing they did last year, the day the earth blew up or something? That's right. Which I think also made zero money. Okay. Let me check.
Starting point is 00:25:22 But that wasn't the one I was interested in. I was two years ago. This made... Yes. I got a good write-up, and apparently it's quite good. This made $15 million on a $15 million budget. Ooh. So loss.
Starting point is 00:25:34 A loss. Yeah, I understand like the reluctance to release a Warner Brothers property. But looking at this and even before this, because it's based on like an article, or like a parody article from the Norris or whatever. Yeah, this is a fun twist and whatever. And that Wiley Coyote, you know, maybe he is hard done by. But he also was trying to murder that bird.
Starting point is 00:25:53 It's hard as a... Bird murder. Bird murder. Bird murder. Not a fan. No? But you don't eat chicken? You don't eat pheasant?
Starting point is 00:26:00 You're always eating a pheasant. I'm not eating a pheasant. I'm normally eating. Sometimes... You eat that bird that you're not supposed to eat and you put a blanket over here. Yeah, whole. Eat it whole. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:26:08 And sometimes the episode of the podcast starts and you can hear some crunchion. You can eat some muffled crunching. It's because I've got that towel over my head. I'm crunching a whole bird. I'm also doing it, too. But I'm doing it with a big turkey. I don't even have to wear the towel, but I do. Wow.
Starting point is 00:26:22 Yeah. Anyway, I'm excited for this. We should all watch this because otherwise they're going to shelve a bunch of movies. Exactly. Every year forever. I think it also would be fun if this made way more money for ketchup entertainment than it did Warner Brothers. That's true.
Starting point is 00:26:35 Which is now Paramount or whatever. Yeah. This is out August 28th of this year. I mean, people like to rescue. I'm busy that day. Are you? People like to rescue ranges, Chippendale or whatever. That's true.
Starting point is 00:26:45 They did, but did that make any money? Yeah, I think it, or was that straight to streaming? I believe, I think it was straight to streaming here. So no money, no money, zero money. Wow, I love zero money. Zero money, but a lot of exposure. True. But anyway, good human cast in this.
Starting point is 00:26:59 Yeah, great with human cast. Bill Forte. John Sina, others, probably some special guests. Probably Weird Al will be there. Do you think Will Forte is, like, due for some kind of thing where he becomes very, very famous? Because he's in consistently good things and it's always very funny. But it's never like...
Starting point is 00:27:16 Those are these two biggest mistakes. Consistently good things. Yes, and being funny. And being funny. Yeah. Yeah, no. McGrubber and then the McGrubber TV show and... Last Man on Earth.
Starting point is 00:27:26 That's great. And just various skits and sketches and... Skits and bits. And appearances that he makes. You know, I feel like he's going to have a Brian Cranston moment or something. Right. Might not be with a serious. He might be like, well, now I'm in the new whatever the White Lotus equivalent is.
Starting point is 00:27:41 Sure. I mean, hell in a box. Bonham Carter just dropped out of the White Lotus. Exactly. So maybe sub in Will Forte. It's too late to make it big on the White Lotus. It's, the shine has come right off.
Starting point is 00:27:49 Really? I don't know. I don't care. I mean, I feel like, I feel like Walton Goggins got a real, a real bump from White Lotus. That's actually a very good point.
Starting point is 00:27:56 Wal Goggs did do that. Thank you. I'm happy to help. Yeah. And also, big reveal in this. Of course, Bugs Bunny is. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:04 It's a big hero moment reveal in this. And whoever's doing the voice, doing a good job. Yeah? That's me. I don't believe you. But if it is you, good job. Credit where it's due.
Starting point is 00:28:16 Sounds terrific. Real mail blank vibes. But I don't believe you. Okay. If you're telling the truth, I'm giving you your flowers and your props and support. But again, if it's not true, you're taking all this. Am I? Okay.
Starting point is 00:28:31 No, you take it in. Like, this is... I'm taking it in. It's dishonorable. It's very dishonorable what you're doing. You'd feel bad about that, would you? I know. I don't...
Starting point is 00:28:39 I'm taking it on good faith that you are the... voice of Bugs Bunny in this. That's cool. But if you're not... I like that you're doing that. You're tricking me. You'd feel like a fool, would you? No.
Starting point is 00:28:49 No, I wouldn't. I would never feel a fool for being generous with my praise. Yeah, but probably the next time you went to give somebody praise, you might doubt yourself. Nope. Because you'd be tricked again. No, because if you were lying about this,
Starting point is 00:29:02 you would be the outlier. Yeah. Everybody else I know was honest and forthrighted and not a liar, not a lying dog. And again, I'm assuming you're not a low-lying dog. I'm not. But, okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:14 All right. Well, good job. And you're proud of me. Yes, I would. No, no. No, no. I'm only proud of you if you did the voice of Bugs Bunny in this movie and you did a good job. And it would keep you up at night if you found out to be not true.
Starting point is 00:29:28 No. Okay. No. All right. Thanks, man. You're welcome. Great job. Spider-Man noir.
Starting point is 00:29:36 Oh, yes. You've got a new trailer for that where again, it tells us that it's in black and white or whatever. And in true hue. Yeah. We get web swinging this time around, didn't we? Yes. I saw. Does he have, there's a little close up.
Starting point is 00:29:49 Does he have organic web shooters? I think he does. Oh, does he does? I don't know about that. Does he have, because he is, it looks like he is a genetic experiment. Yes. Because there's some spider experiment stuff going on. Did you see, I think it was last week or a couple weeks ago,
Starting point is 00:30:01 Corridor crew showed, I think it was like a sizzle test reel. Oh, yes. Somebody made for Spider-Man noir and different kind of punching styles and whatever. Okay. And it looked incredible. I don't think they're using any of it. those people, but I was like, wow, if there's anything like this, this would look incredible. Just incorporating the, you know, the punching.
Starting point is 00:30:19 You should just watch it. I love punching. I know you do. Are you checking if it's organic? I'm checking. Because the, oh, there we go. Because the original appearance of Spider-Man noir, he doesn't have specific spider-patricker. He doesn't have web shooting and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:30:34 He's more or less just a brawler. But the modern Spider-Man noir, you know, they're like, well, we better give him all the Spider-Man powers. Sure. We better give him all the more, all the Spider-Man powers plus more Spider-Man power. So Spider-Man is the only... So he's just a brawler as in he doesn't have superpowers? Oh, he's like stronger and stuff.
Starting point is 00:30:52 Yeah, that's what I thought. That's what I thought. I think, no, I think he's got, he's got the in-built web shooters coming out of his guts, a direct line from his guts to his wrists, to God's ears, to your lips. Oh. Yeah. We're also seeing villains, but to the hips. To the hips.
Starting point is 00:31:08 Lifetime on the hips. Is it? Yeah, from his guts to his wrists. Nothing's a lifetime on the hips. No, you're true. You're right. Old-timey villains. Villains you know, but they're old-timey.
Starting point is 00:31:18 Yep. It's old-timey, Electro. What do you think of this? Is that organic or is that? It looks like he's got a gooey wrist. Yeah, it's a gooey risk situation, is I would say. A gooey risk situation. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:31:27 You're welcome. What do you think of the old-timey? It's Elector, but he's old-time. It's Sandman, but he's old-time. It's Renan-Glegged. He's Silver-Mane. He's Silver-Mane. Oh, that would make sense.
Starting point is 00:31:37 He's a robot guy or something? I mean in the in the comics years. Do you think he's going to be a clockworking guy? He might be. So it's happened here. He's got room. He's got room in the tum. Sure.
Starting point is 00:31:46 No shade. He's just got some room. He lost a bunch of weight. He's got room in the thumb. Okay. Yeah. I liked when he was cutting his fingers off in that movie. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:55 Why did he do it? I don't know. He's just bored, I think. Yeah, but he was just bored. Yeah. Sure. It's a quiet little island. It's like it's finger chopping time, you know?
Starting point is 00:32:06 It's finger chopping time. Yeah. Boys, May 27th. That's very soon. And is that the entire season or just one episode or two episodes? I think it's... Or thrice an episode. I think they're doing like a once a week or maybe a couple at the start and then...
Starting point is 00:32:20 And then it go on from there, I'm a son. Then it go on from there. Then it go on from there. Yeah. So it's cool and good and fun and good. It's cool and fun and good. Let's talk about this now. Go on.
Starting point is 00:32:29 This is via the Singapore's straight time and also variety. Uh-huh. Which confirmed this story. So you might have seen this. We mentioned up top. Paramount Pluses The Legend of Angna Last Airbender
Starting point is 00:32:40 completely leaked on Twitter That's true Formerly known as Twitter Now it's not wrong Because you can just upload a whole movie to a tweet Yeah, it's good Yeah
Starting point is 00:32:48 If you've got Twitter premium It's everywhere It's very available I mean it's the everything app Isn't it? It's true Put up a pirated movie Do all your banking
Starting point is 00:32:57 On a website That allows pirated movies Very safe Have racism Have some racism Yeah Distribute racism Distribute racism or consume racism
Starting point is 00:33:05 You can do both Can't you and improve your own racism. Yeah. You can do a long, boring story over multiple tweets, and it never goes anywhere. Oh, really? You can vague post, so everybody goes,
Starting point is 00:33:15 what are you talking about? You get the engagement. You get 50 bucks a month. This sounds really good. It's good, right? You're telling me you're doing all of these things? Absolutely. Okay, and your racism is improving.
Starting point is 00:33:25 Leaps and bounds. Good. Anyway, apparently the movie's good for those. I haven't seen it. I'm not going to download this because I feel like, I don't know, it doesn't feel like I should. No, that's right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:35 We don't want to X-Men origin. Wolverine this. Absolutely not. But a 26-year-old suspect has been arrested related to this. 26, that's too late. Your brain's already formed. What are you doing with a fully formed brain? Maybe he just turned 26.
Starting point is 00:33:48 Yes. Yeah, so he did it before. According to the report, the man had gained unauthorized remote access to a media server from which he was able to download the film before distributing it online. Unauthorized access to computer material carries a maximum of seven years jail time or a potential $50,000 fine according to local laws. I mean, that could be, they could get it for more than that. that just for just for fun just for mucking with a big corporation yeah again it was in it was
Starting point is 00:34:11 posted on ex the animated feature was originally slated to release theatrically on october 9th but the studio decided to again to put it on paramount plus which of course fans didn't like maybe this is the reason he did that i don't know maybe we don't know his motivations i don't know we don't even know if he did it maybe you didn't do it maybe they got the wrong guy maybe he did it for the freedom of the air nation exactly if that is in fact the thing yeah but if it wasn't this guy and whoever it was is still out there i mean back girl's probably sitting on a server. That's all I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:34:39 Maybe. Not that I would watch it again. And I really, I genuinely haven't watched this. I don't. I would like it to still go to cinemas. Absolutely. Which it probably won't. But, you know, that's what happens when you steal and you get caught.
Starting point is 00:34:52 You only get in trouble if you steal from a corporation. You can be rich and steal from a bunch of people, like smaller people with less money and power than you. That's okay. That is okay. You're allowed to do that. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:04 And it improves your racism. And your racism. get better. That's right. All right. Should we move to the next segment of the show? Let's do it. Let's do it.
Starting point is 00:35:12 Talk about a movie. All right. Exit 8. Yeah. It's a movie. Agreed. It's in cinema's now the world over. Undeniable.
Starting point is 00:35:19 Initial Japan release on a budget of $1.4 million. It doesn't seem like a lot. I feel like, I mean, I don't know. Maybe that's how they do it in the Japanese film industry. Well, you just need a bit of like police line do not cross tape. Yep. And then you go to a regular train station. You just tape it up.
Starting point is 00:35:36 And then all the commuters are like, can we get through here? No. Police. Police. Japanese police. I'm police. Polite Japanese police. I'm the police.
Starting point is 00:35:43 I'll arrest you. Yeah. Get out of you. Is that what you want? Is that what you want? And they're like, we don't. We don't actually want that. So far it's made worldwide $42 million.
Starting point is 00:35:52 Not bad. It's incredible. It's of course based off the popular video game. You say, of course, like I've ever played a video game. Have you ever played a video game? I've never played a video game and I suddenly wouldn't play a video game written by Kevin Smith. Does he ever written a video game? I don't think so, no.
Starting point is 00:36:06 I don't think that would be a problem then. Terrific. I'll start playing video games tomorrow. What would you recommend? Probably Batman on the Omega 500. Oh, nice. Sounds good. It's a good game. It's not that good. Wow. Yeah. Some people think it's their favorite game. But they don't know. They don't know. They're stupid.
Starting point is 00:36:21 They are stupid. What do you think the story was? Well, um... Come on, mate. No. No. I'm changing it up. You say you got me again. Oh, you did get me again. Thank you. All right. Contractually, I have to say, got me again. Because I did.
Starting point is 00:36:38 You didn't, though. Anyway, it's the Japanese subway system. You're saying it's a far-flung future. No, it's not. It's a regular time. It's a regular time. It's what I'm saying. Yeah. But sometimes Japan feels like the future. Not this bit. This feels like...
Starting point is 00:36:52 It's just because it's clean and stuff works. Yeah. That's what it's thought. Yeah. That's the case. Yeah. This doesn't feel very high-tech, though. No, not at all.
Starting point is 00:37:00 I mean, there's some high-tech movie-making techniques. Certainly not as high-tech as the new Melbourne city whatever loop that we've got. Looks brand new and cool and clean and white and so forth. Yuck. We're gone. Anyway, in the Japanese subway system, there's this real, he's this real loser of a guy. Just a real sop of a man. Just a real sop of a man.
Starting point is 00:37:21 And he's coming to or from work or something. He's on the subway and just feeling real sorry for himself. And there's a woman with a baby on the subway and some man's yelling at her because the baby's crying. Blah, blah, blah. He's like, oh, life, oh life. Life. Oh, life. Oh, life.
Starting point is 00:37:42 And then he gets a call from his ex-girlfriend. And he's like, I don't know about this. Yeah, and she's like, I'm pregnant, coming to the hospital. And he's like, oh, no. Life. I don't know. Oh, life. Oh, life.
Starting point is 00:37:55 And then he's like, well, I'll just get out of this subway. It should be an easy feat. I've done it plenty of times before. Don't ever worry about it. Yeah. I just have to go to exit eight. Guess what? He's never going to be able to do that.
Starting point is 00:38:04 What? throughout the length of the entire movie. Well, who's to say, but he can't do it immediately, can he? I don't think he can. It should be easy, right? It would be the easiest thing in the world. I'd be able to do it. I'd figure it out what was going on.
Starting point is 00:38:13 You figure it out. Anyway, he's trapped in a loop. Yeah. Groundhog Day style, but not really. No, it's more of a... He's in a liminal space. He's in a liminal space. He's in a liminal space.
Starting point is 00:38:22 Yeah, absolutely. Liminal space. Back rooms. That's right. Going to the train station? Yep. Going to a doctor's waiting room. That's big.
Starting point is 00:38:30 It's big right now. So it's Kazunari Neomiya. Go on. Who plays... No, he doesn't have a name. No, he's just the man. He's the lost man. And it's a very small cast.
Starting point is 00:38:42 It is a small cast, yes. And again, it's based off a video game where the idea of the game is that it's similar here is that you find yourself trying to exit a subway station and you keep going through a loop. But there is a method to escaping to get out exit 8, which is revealed fairly early on in the movie. Yes. And then you have to consistently follow that. Like it's a, I guess we could probably spoil this element of it before we could do full on spoilers. You have to keep an eye out for anomalies.
Starting point is 00:39:06 Yes. If you don't see an anomaly, you can keep going. But if you see an anomaly, turn back immediately. But what's an anomaly? Who's to say? What are you going to see? It could be blood. Could be someone screaming at you.
Starting point is 00:39:17 Could be something appears. It could be a big flood. Sure. Could be a man. A weird man. It could be a weird man. But sometimes being seeing a weird man's okay. That's true, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:39:27 That's good. Yeah. Not on the subway, though. It's really good to see. You don't want to get involved in that. Yeah. So just follow the rules. Just follow the rules and everything should be fine.
Starting point is 00:39:37 Don't even worry about it. Yeah. I didn't have time, but I would have liked to have played the video game for this. Were you going to ask if I played the video game? Yeah, I was. No. Because Kevin Smith? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:48 The Kevin Smith thing you said? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So like the video game, like there's a puzzle element to escaping. And in watching this, you find yourself, well, I found myself, like, looking out for the anomalies before.
Starting point is 00:39:59 Yeah, right. The man sees it. and whatever, which I think really adds to it. I think the fact that this got a cinematic release is good because you do have to pay attention to get the most out of this. So, yeah, but there is a puzzle element to like the game, but also it's kind of, it's a morality tale, and it's like, it's almost like he's performing some kind of penance.
Starting point is 00:40:18 And it's like, it's a vibe also. There's that there's that to it as well. I also like that there is no, I guess, not necessarily there's a hard explanation for what this is, but there is a logic to it. Sure. It's not just nonsense. or like, does that make sense? And the things that aren't explained, I think, are that is okay,
Starting point is 00:40:36 the way that the world is set up. What did you think of this, though? I enjoyed it quite a lot. I enjoyed that he was a pathetic shell of a man. Oh, yeah. It's because he is also like he's sort of... Was it like looking in a mirror, or was it like looking at me do something? It was like...
Starting point is 00:40:51 It was like both, yeah. Cool. No, it was because he's sort of, he's got asthma and he's thirsty and he's kind of, you know, he's got this time pressure because he needs to get to the hospital and, you know,
Starting point is 00:41:07 he doesn't want he to think he's, he doesn't want his ex-girlfriend to think he's abandoned her. Or that he's just walking around? That he's just walking around. Which it is. He's just walking around, isn't it? Feels like he's just killing time.
Starting point is 00:41:18 Just walking around, man. And you really start to feel that, that sort of sense of hopelessness. Yeah. You know? Absolutely. I thought that was very interesting.
Starting point is 00:41:32 Yeah, definitely. I think that really works really well. And it's also because every time he fails, the puzzle resets. Yes. So he is, in order to get to exit eight, obviously you have to go through exit zero through seven. Yes. But every time he makes a mistake, he ends up, he walks around a corner and he ends up at exit zero again, which you can't actually exit. No.
Starting point is 00:41:55 Also, eight's not that high. If it was like a thousand. Oh, yeah. I feel like it would sting more. But then again, would this movie be too long if it was exit 1,000? Oh, it might be. Yeah. It might be, James.
Starting point is 00:42:05 You know what? What I liked about this was because every time it reset, it really, like as an audience man, but it was really like this thing of, oh, fuck, now I have to see this again. But not the sense, but not in the sense of like, this is a drag. Yeah. It's more just like, oh, oh, God. You feel like him going, you feel him going through waves of like. I don't want to go back again.
Starting point is 00:42:26 Yeah. And you feel him sort of go through waves of like, okay well I didn't work this time but I'll try it again and it's okay and then you feel the tension building up and him getting more and more like internally upset absolutely and then he snaps and then he's then he backs off again yeah you know attempts it again you know exactly there's also it opens with an extended first person perspective I thought the whole movie might have been like I'm glad it wasn't because I think also that would have been that I feel like that's a harder thing to do to pull off with something like this because it this movie is uh it is broken up into different elements by taking on perspectives of different characters, which I think really helps
Starting point is 00:43:02 this narrative. What movie did we say, like in the last few years where it was similar to that, where it was like, you watch it from the perspective of this character and just as it's sort of getting a little bit old, he switched another character. I'll never remember what it was. The last of a season two did some of that. It wasn't that. It wasn't that. It wasn't that. You don't think it was the last of a season two or maybe the game it was based on? But it also, it sort of points to this larger world that perhaps we don't see. Yes. We never really learn why this universe exists or even if it is real or if it's maybe just
Starting point is 00:43:37 this hallucination and he's hallucinating everything that's happening in other people's backstories and what have you. We don't really know. But it was interesting to be like, you know, because there is a moment where I'm like, quite early on where I'm like, why is this happening to him specifically and no one else? but it turns out, no, it is happening to other people. Yes. And it also, it seems to be for him and the other people that it has happened to, there is a reason, sort of.
Starting point is 00:44:05 It's almost like people who, yeah, it's like they're given the opportunity to be to better themselves. Sure, yeah. So, but it seems like it's the kind of thing that's not given to someone who just sucks. Because there's someone early on in this, you think like, oh, you'd give it to that guy really to do. But maybe that guy's just, maybe he's part of it. of it even. I don't know. Who's to say? I also think the effects of this, because there's a lot of looping happening. Sure. And so it looks like they've got, I should have, I'm meant to look into, I did a bit of the reading how this was made. But I wasn't sure whether, like, how much of this,
Starting point is 00:44:39 because it's basically like a dog leg corridor. Yes. And then it repeats. Yes. And I would love to know how much of that they actually built. And there's, sometimes there's a very clear camera pan, like cut where like they'll put a whip across and then that will be where the cut is. And then that will be where the cut is and especially in the first person stuff like they hide it really well the way that it loops like it's really there's a real skill in the way they make it repeat and flow seamlessly yeah uh and there is also a rhythm that you develop when you count going with the character yes where he is checking to see what has changed as he goes through a loop and you're also there going dentist yeah escher yeah Beauty parlor, et cetera.
Starting point is 00:45:19 Exactly. Exactly. But anyway, so along the way, there was a man that walked past him. You've seen him in the trailers. See him in the trailers. And should we do some spoilers now, maybe? Yeah, let's say best movie ever. I think.
Starting point is 00:45:32 Interesting watch, I think. Definitely if you can see it in a cinema. Because again, if you were to see this at home, and I'm sure it'll be on streaming sooner rather than later, there is the temptation, there would be the temptation to just be like, oh, there's a quiet moment. Oh, there's a quiet moment. I'll look at my phone or whatever.
Starting point is 00:45:49 No, those quiet moments are. But the quiet moment is where it's building. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, you find out during this. Time for spoilers. Time for spoilers. Best movie ever, definitely. So there's a man who walks past him every time of the loop.
Starting point is 00:46:01 No reaction just keeps walking. Umato Koshi is his name. And there's a moment where you then follow him. And then it becomes that man's story. Yes. So the man, so, and it's because of he failed the test. that he's become part of this cycle potentially, or a very hollow version of him has become part of this,
Starting point is 00:46:25 which presumably the person that he sees in the loop was also that, and maybe he took over that role. I don't know exactly. So yeah, following his story, I thought, was a really interesting way to break it up, because you just think he's some kind of weird entity. I thought maybe it was sort of recursive and it sort of went all the way down the line,
Starting point is 00:46:42 because we meet the lost man initially, he encounters this salary man who's just constantly walking in a loop we see his story and he meets a school girl who is doing this a similar thing that he was doing also in a loop I presume if we kept going we would learn what her story was
Starting point is 00:47:03 and she would have been trapped in a similar way because yeah so the idea being yeah so the lost man is searching for a way out but the man he keeps seeing the salary man constantly walking in a loop, he encountered a lost little boy and then decided, and then he found what he thought was exit eight and he's just like, well, good luck kid, I'm leaving. Yeah. See yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:26 But it wasn't. And that failure, that abandoning of the child led him to be. What an idiot. Yeah, right? Yeah. Right? You'd have to know you're in a movie. I know.
Starting point is 00:47:37 Right? You're not allowed to abandon a child in a movie. You can do it in real life. Yeah, that's fine. No consequence. Yeah, don't worry about it. Especially if no one sees it. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:47:45 I also love the way how they told his narrative. So it seamlessly flows into his narrative. And then it seamlessly then flows back into the main character. So it's almost like a loop in terms of the way they do that storytelling device. Oh, and then we see the boy played by Nauru Asanuma. A little boy, we see his story. And it's not really like he'd been there for at least a couple of guys. So I think just the two, I'm guessing.
Starting point is 00:48:13 Potentially, yeah. Yeah. because he's still young and he doesn't recognize anybody else like the previous walking lady Oh I see right I think I think that's the way Or maybe he's part of it
Starting point is 00:48:23 I don't know because he ran away from his mom I mean he says that And he should be punished for that Yeah but they also they never They separate at the end And like presumably he gets out But they don't do it together Also the boy is maybe a metaphor
Starting point is 00:48:35 For his own child Exactly because then it's a flight of no See that's the thing I might mind wondering Yeah Because obviously at the end of the movie He is back in the same subway car.
Starting point is 00:48:45 And is it exactly the same man? He's yelling at the same woman. It's the same scenario. And he's like, he's going to, you know, say something this time. So I, the question obviously, and, you know, ultimately I don't think it is important. But the idea is, was the entire thing a dream of his? And then everybody else's story was also a dream of his? Was it a hallucination all the way down the line?
Starting point is 00:49:10 Yeah. Maybe. Maybe it was. I don't know. Because also, like, if that is, he's kids. kid and I don't think like that's the literal like what's actually happening here then why is yeah why would the kid be
Starting point is 00:49:20 in the previous guys loop yeah do you know what I'm saying I think it's just like it's just like oh this represents all children yeah there's a potential future for you and whatever whatever etc I mean he's never seen a child before so he sees this child and he's like well that's what children look like this makes sense to me so my child will also look like this
Starting point is 00:49:36 he's Japanese I'm Japanese I get it she says yeah I don't know I feel like it like again there's no real why of this is happening I feel like it some kind of penance or life lesson. There would, an opportunity to, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:49:49 to further yourself through, you know, choosing, thinking about stuff, morality, you know, considering people around you, taking the time to look at things.
Starting point is 00:49:58 Sure. Breaking the monotony of existence. Yes, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. In an American version of this,
Starting point is 00:50:05 there would be a scientist who would arrive and explain what's happening. Yeah, you zoom in me in often. Yeah. Yeah. And he goes,
Starting point is 00:50:11 you're stuck in a Japanese, Damon Lope. We did a bunch of demon movie last year. These demon molecules are off the charts on this machine I'm using. Yeah, it's a demon molecule chart. Get over it.
Starting point is 00:50:23 It's from work. It's from work. That's right. I'm also trapped in here and I'm a scientist, but luckily I brought my demon molecule detector so we can help. This is good.
Starting point is 00:50:32 Hope I don't die, but you're left with the demon molecule detector and I've taught you how to use the demon molecule detector. Yep. Remember what I taught you, but I can't. Oh no, I'm drowning in a river of blood
Starting point is 00:50:42 from the subway. Or rats or whatever. There's rats with mouths, big mouth, but not where you'd think. There's rats with mouths and eyes, but not where you'd think. Yeah. Those were yuck. Those were yuck, those rats, those rats. And also, like, I liked it.
Starting point is 00:50:56 There was this stuff that was, so there's posters for things in there, which you pass every time. And, you know, there's an Escher. They all probably mean something, but there's an Escher one, which is like a figure eight loop, and it's like, oh, well, this is... There's some interesting stuff that also isn't commented on, but I thought it was interesting, and I think with a rewatch, there is a moment, there is one loop where he's walking down the corridor and instead of there being, you know,
Starting point is 00:51:16 two regularly positioned strip lights, there's like 20 and they're all weird angles and stuff. Yeah. So, you know, I'm just, I'm just, you know. How quickly do you think you could have got out on this, got out of this? How do you figure it out? A thousand years? It's a long time. Also, he can't, the thought I had was like, and this guy also has the thought,
Starting point is 00:51:38 he's just like, I'll take a photograph of everything. Yes. And then, of course, he looks at his phone moments later and all the photos. phone has betrayed him just like it wouldn't have They do, don't they? That's exactly right. It's interesting because I read it. Like when I tried to take a screenshot of Netflix
Starting point is 00:51:49 and it just gives me a black screen. Oh, no. Sorry, I was going to promote. That's illegal. Sorry I was going to promote your show for free. That's illegal. It's illegal to do it though. Yeah, shut up.
Starting point is 00:51:59 Yeah, shut up. Shut up. I mean, that's a great question. Because obviously you go, well, I'd simply look at it logically. But after 20 loops, you'd be like, I don't know what, even what logic is anyway. I hate this exactly, right? Because obviously he has to,
Starting point is 00:52:13 The idea being is like... And also they become more obscure. Like there's some changes where it loops where... Because what's an anomaly? Yeah. And also like some I didn't see. Or didn't see until like the last second. So, you know.
Starting point is 00:52:25 That's a metaphor, isn't it? That is a metaphor. Sometimes you don't see an anomaly until the last second. Yeah. And then your life's just like this. It is just like that. I'm going to talk about this another week, but I read a book, a short story this week called a short stay in hell.
Starting point is 00:52:38 Uh-huh. Which is also this idea of like liminal spaces and loops. and time and I'll talk again I'll do this off the internet Yeah I bought a physical copy of book A book? It's great It's really good I'll talk about another week
Starting point is 00:52:49 But anyway just like watching that And then reading You are obsessed with liminal spaces What are you going to live in a liminal space I don't think I'll live in all space I didn't mean it This one I didn't know was going to be a liminal space See thing but it was
Starting point is 00:53:01 It's basically Would you say the liminal spaces Are in the Zitegast? Yes I'll talk about it next week But basically it's a guy who goes to hell And the version of hell is That it looks like they're in this Potentially Infinite Library
Starting point is 00:53:13 where... Sounds good to me. I love to read. Well, here's the thing. Oh, no, but I've broken with glasses. There's not... No. But luckily...
Starting point is 00:53:20 It doesn't matter. Exactly. I'm not long-sighted. Yeah, and also, you're kind of young here again or whatever, and he's trapped with a bunch of other people. But, so you're in this library that extends all the way down, all the way up and all the way like across. And it's got...
Starting point is 00:53:32 And there's books on... It's all just shelving. And it's got everything that could ever possibly be written. Oh, that sounds great. Yeah, but... I love to read. It's mostly gibberish. Because if you're getting everything that's ever possibly written
Starting point is 00:53:45 Oh, it's an infant and Mikey situation. You'd have to find one that's A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, B. And then it's like that forever, right? But you have to find the story of your life. Oh, yes. To exit. Oh, no. So that's the...
Starting point is 00:53:57 Anyway, again, I'll talk about another week, but... But I think what you're failing to factor in there is I love to read. Just A, A, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, sure. There's something in that. Yeah, because it's like... That's more like, ah, but... It takes, because they're with a group of people.
Starting point is 00:54:10 there's a whole lot of people there. It takes like 100 years to find like two words that makes it, that just go together. So it's like that kind of thing. Anyway, I would recommend. I reckon I'd start in the middle. What do you mean?
Starting point is 00:54:23 Well, then that's perfect. Start in the middle, look at the middle bit and be like, this mostly makes a bit of it. It's only you'd move right or left depending. Oh yeah? Yeah. Well, I guess you would figure it out really quickly.
Starting point is 00:54:33 Absolutely. You just go in the middle. Go in the middle every time. That's what happened. That's what Malcolm tried to do. Look where he ended up. It had a reboot series It was very successful
Starting point is 00:54:43 And he was motor racing And he was motor racing Let's move on to the next segment of the show Okay What is it It's what we're reading What we're gonna read Is that I mean I have to talk about the movie Michael
Starting point is 00:54:51 Yeah I think so At length Well I am critical of you Going to see it I think you'll find that I did a good thing Okay I'm doing the thing I'm doing the thing
Starting point is 00:55:01 Hey Mason this is a segment When we talk about things We've watched or read or whatever But it's separate from the main section of the show where we talk about a thing we watched or read or whatever. And sometimes we watched or read something we haven't watched or read anything. That's right. But we'll do it later.
Starting point is 00:55:23 Have you? No. Nothing. I don't think so, no. You did zero activities. I watched the boys. What was that like? Pretty good.
Starting point is 00:55:29 We're like, well, these boys are in for it now. Where the boys are? Sometimes, yeah. Yeah. And sometimes I'm like, boy homeland is in for it now. Yeah. But then he isn't. No, he never is.
Starting point is 00:55:39 He never is. One day he will be. Five seasons. Yeah. He never is. What do you think about how, what's that character's name? She can talk now. Kimiko.
Starting point is 00:55:46 Yeah. Yes. Are you wondering why she sounds so weird? It is. Are they ADRing all of them? I don't know, honestly. Yeah. It's interesting because obviously there's been something made of because she can talk now
Starting point is 00:55:57 that she's not really used to talking. So she just says exactly what she's been thinking the whole time. Yeah. Sometimes it's inappropriate and stuff. But also it does sound a lot like she's being ADR. Yeah. I wonder if that's, I don't know. I mean, I would be, she will be, she will.
Starting point is 00:56:11 probably being interviewed subsequently to this. I mean, it's not uncommon for actors to do this. Yeah. And we don't notice, but weird. Maybe she's just so unused to talking. But she's been in things where she talks. What, Katana?
Starting point is 00:56:27 Yeah. She doesn't talk in that. Doesn't she at all? I don't think so. I don't even know what to do. But, I mean, her soul steals the soul of... A soul steals the soul? Her soul steals the soul of enemies.
Starting point is 00:56:35 Scott doesn't even know. It doesn't even know the movie Suicide Squad 2016. Right. I don't know anything about it. I've seen it so many times. And it's good every time, isn't it? Yes, agree. We don't have a caravan garbage?
Starting point is 00:56:45 Maybe, I don't know. Maybe, I mean, surely if she was speaking too quietly, they'd be, Eric Kripke, would be like, hey, speak up. Do loudness. Maybe it's deliberate. Maybe it's, maybe they've been like, I mean, my guess would be, and maybe this is an error on their part, maybe they're like, she's so unused to speaking, it should sound weird. So let's deliberately make it sound weird in the sound mix.
Starting point is 00:57:11 Okay. You know? Well, that's an old decision if that's indeed the decision that was made. Yes. Are you enjoying this final season of the boys? Maybe they forgot to put a microphone on it. Yeah, maybe it is. That can happen.
Starting point is 00:57:21 We've done that. Yeah. Absolutely. If you, um, do you didn't watch Invincible? No. Why not? Why you asked Invincible?
Starting point is 00:57:28 I thought I really enjoyed this season. I thought it was good. Mm. Yeah. What I did is I just flipped through the pages of the Invincible comic and I got about the same level of animation. Okay. Flip, flip, flip, flip, flip, flip, flip, flip, flip.
Starting point is 00:57:38 Flip. Flip. Flip. Because people often have criticisms with the animation. Correct. Yes. You know, that's the price you pay when you don't pay that much for animation and you crunch everybody.
Starting point is 00:57:48 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Even though you have infinite money and time. Yeah. So make it that way you will. All right, well, I'm glad you watched one thing and not another thing. I'm looking forward to the new season of beef. Oh, yeah, I've seen that. I watched it all.
Starting point is 00:57:59 You watched it all? I did. Yeah, I actually just finished it. Did I have fun? Yeah. No. That's a show. Yeah, I guess.
Starting point is 00:58:06 I think I enjoyed the first season more, but it's a completely. completely different narrative. I've literally just finished it. Like I finished watching it on my laptop just before you came over. So fresh out of that. But no, it's a great cast and the story. It's always a little more,
Starting point is 00:58:20 it's like an exaggerated kind of crime element to it. Yeah, I have seen a clip online of them. It's like an international kind of... Some sort of chase fight sequence going on there. Which is like a strange thing to include in it. But I like seeing Oscar Isaac and Carrie Mulligan back together again, again. Drive.
Starting point is 00:58:37 And, um... Another movie. Inside Lew and Davis. They're also in that together. Inside Davis Lewis. Yeah. Exactly. So, no, all in all, it, beef's good. Beef's good. It's a good show. Anthologies. Yeah. Agreed. Well, Mason, I watched at the behest of you. I didn't ask.
Starting point is 00:58:52 The movie, Michael. I didn't ask for your opinion. I didn't ask you to watch Michael. Here's my opinion. Go on. And thank you for asking me to watch this. So obviously, this is doing really well the world over. Big numbers, big numbers, biggest biopic of all time. Huge opening weekend.
Starting point is 00:59:07 What were the legs in this be like? I don't know. I don't know how this like resonates with younger audiences at this point. My audience was packed with like just old, old, old, old, old people. But I did go like during the day. So that's, that's maybe why. And I think there is a couple of things that like this movie does, which, well, highlights what I think is interesting. Like Jafar Jackson, as Michael Jackson, he's his nephew in real life, he's incredible. Like you forget that it, that it is him. Like the voice, like the makeup they've done, they've done. I've clearly done some
Starting point is 00:59:39 CGI to alter his, like, alter his, like, knows in certain things because they acknowledge that in the movie. And so he is phenomenal, like genuinely. How's his he-hoo? Very good.
Starting point is 00:59:49 Interesting. Apparently, he did all the singing and whatever I don't know with that. He did all the he-hues. The mannerisms are great. Like, he, I can't stress this enough. Like, he's very good.
Starting point is 00:59:59 House is Chamon. I don't know if he does a shamone. What? Maybe that was later in his career. I don't know. I don't remember which noises and when he did that. How's his moonwalk? He's good.
Starting point is 01:00:08 How's his tilt. They don't do a tilt. Wow. Yeah. Wow. I don't think because they don't do a smooth criminal. Yeah. Which are.
Starting point is 01:00:15 So yeah, there's that. There's also things like, you know, the highlight parts of his career, which is like, oh, that's phenomenal. Like he was the first black artist on MTV. They hadn't done that before, which is insane. Like in the 80s, like it got to. Also, he was making these like incredibly elaborate short film slash music videos that, you know, that they just broke around and poured all this money and effort into making, you know,
Starting point is 01:00:36 like the thrill of whatever, you know, whatever. And anyway, thanks for your review of that. More positives, it seems. Good night, everyone. Anyways. What's more? More to say? There's no time, James.
Starting point is 01:00:45 We're out of time. We're out of time. And this is like... This segment's only supposed to go five minutes and 48 seconds. If you love Michael Jackson, I don't. And on the whole, if you're a fan of his work, like, or you want to ignore huge chunks of his life, you're going to be okay with this. Because it's basically, it's walk hard without jokes, even though it has jokes. even though it has jokes but the jokes never land.
Starting point is 01:01:10 For me at least, nobody in my cinema, all of which seemed to be big Michael Jackson fans, were laughing really at any point. Give me an example of a joke. I don't know, he'll get the monkey and they're like, I don't know about this, Michael Jackson. And I'm like, yeah, didn't that monkey, like, attack him once viciously? Maybe.
Starting point is 01:01:24 That's not in the movie, by the way. So it's this paper-thin narrative that skips over huge chunks of his life, punctuated with his music. Right. And his music is often incredible. especially the earliest stuff it goes through his childhood Jackson 5 up until the bad era.
Starting point is 01:01:41 What's the Joe Jackson stuff like? Oh, it's just his dad going, I'm going to hit you a lot and you don't respect you. I'm going to hit you so good. And look, he was a piece of shit. I'm going to hit you bad. Say that again. Michael Tellers in this, right?
Starting point is 01:01:56 Michael Teller. Michael Teller's in this. Miles Taylor is in it with a terrible wig slash hair cart who plays his manager lawyer or whatever. So yeah, his dad was a massive piece of shit and also, you know. But does that come across in? the movie? Oh, absolutely. It's all he does. He's just like, I hate you, Michael Jackson. You're not doing good enough stuff for your family, Michael Jackson.
Starting point is 01:02:13 Whether Jackson, and sometimes he's sitting with Don King and he's like, Don King, you're evil and I'm evil. Let's do evil together. And it's just him like meeting various people throughout the movie and being like, hi-up, I'm Quincy. Does he meet Janet Jackson? No, she's not in the movie. That's interesting. Jada Jackson is in it. All these brothers are, she apparently opted out of this movie, which is so fucking bizarre. And of course, she doesn't have to be in this. I understand why she wouldn't want to be that. Is Latoia Jackson being played by Latoia Jackson? No, there's an act who plays in Latoia Jackson.
Starting point is 01:02:42 So it's just him being like, Hi, I'm Quincy Jones or wherever, and he goes, oh, Michael Jackson. And then he would just meet an, and I'm a significant person in your life. Well, this is a great moment in the life of Michael Jackson. And then that happens like several times. I like, well, at least they included this catchphrase.
Starting point is 01:02:57 This is incredible. What did you say? Incredible type of Michael Jackson or whatever, yeah. It's an incredible moment in the life of Michael Jackson. There's story beats it. They'll be like, he gets ever increasingly weird animals as he becomes more rich and more successful. Weird Almanals.
Starting point is 01:03:11 Yeah, thank you. He gets like a rat, they're like a llama and a giraffe and he it and bubbles of it. Did they include the Batman suit, the mannequin of the Batman suit? They didn't get to that. No, because that was in the 90s. Yeah, that would have been. Strangely enough, this movie doesn't delve into the 90s fucking at all.
Starting point is 01:03:25 Wow. And there's just like, so most of the songs, the buildup is in the studio and he'll be on the microphone. He's like, I'm like, go to someone. The Mike, Michael Jackson, Mephone. Michael phone. It is like, I'm the greatest son,
Starting point is 01:03:37 Michael Jackson, you believe it yourself. And then it was, he'll start singing one of his famous Michael Jackson's songs. Is there a moment where he apparently riffs the song that it's obviously been written and produced well in advance? He does. Yeah, I don't really,
Starting point is 01:03:48 I don't think so. I can't, I don't think so. But there is like, you'll see him like figure himself out, his, figure itself out in his room and he'll be like, this is how the beats are going to go or whatever.
Starting point is 01:03:56 And then like, there'll be no backing track and he'll start one of his songs. And the producers are like, this is good Michael Jackson. And then the music will come in and then it will cut to a montage of him like, people being like, you're the best Michael Jackson.
Starting point is 01:04:07 And he's like, they're not my fans, then my family or whatever. And blah, blah. Oh, using his natural voice. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:04:12 You have a family, you're a family, man. Yeah. And yeah, if you want to see like a segment of thriller that looks exactly like thriller, yeah, it's phenomenally recreated.
Starting point is 01:04:22 I don't want to see that. Well, you can. You can in this movie. That's great that I can, but once again to reiterate, I don't want to do that. And there's moments where he's like, because he's the youngest in his family,
Starting point is 01:04:31 by quite a bit of his brothers and he'll come... Not anymore. No, and he'll come home. And he'll be like, oh, Michael Jackson, let's play Twister and they're like, we're old men. And he's like, I don't have any friends.
Starting point is 01:04:41 Why don't... Nobody understands me. I'm Michael Jackson. You know what I love? I love Peter Pan. And then I want to read this book about Peter Pan and I love Netherland. And then they'll just show like...
Starting point is 01:04:51 Baffet's like five times they'll cut to a hospital and he's sitting with a sick kid. And I'm like, this is fucked up. And it's just like, oh man, he loves children and his fans. And it's like, what are you... Sounds like a real benevolent, sort of angelic figure.
Starting point is 01:05:06 It does feel like that, doesn't it? And of course, you know this, but they had to reshoot the ending because apparently the Michael Jackson estate didn't tell the studio that they can't use any of the allegation stuff. Because originally this ended with the first situation where he was accused of anything in the 90s. And there were... What a situation.
Starting point is 01:05:22 What a situation that Michael Jackson has found himself in. Oh, what a situation. I found myself in. This is a classic Michael Jackson moment. But they apparently weren't... allowed to do that for obvious reasons because it was part of the original settlement so they had to reshoot an ending which I will
Starting point is 01:05:36 talk which I will talk about in a moment but also like there's moments where like he's watching the TV and it's on muting he's like oh what's going on in what's going on on the streets of LA or whatever and he'll unmutant it's like there's gang violence everywhere everybody's I wish there wasn't gang violence I better write a song against ganges exactly and then he'll gather
Starting point is 01:05:52 some gang he gathered some gangs together and he went to the warehouse and maybe this fucking happen I don't know and they're like we love you Michael Jackson he's like why don't you be in my music video help solve gang violence on Michael Jackson. And I didn't know Michael Jackson solved gang violence. So that was really interesting the way that he did that. You've seen gang violence recently.
Starting point is 01:06:09 He doubt it. Yeah, that's true. Because Michael Jackson handled... They also have the bit where Pepsi lit him on fire in the commercial. And you fully see it. And there's footage of that available. I have seen that footage. There you go.
Starting point is 01:06:19 But they show it and he's in the hospital and they're like, Michael Jackson might never be Michael Jackson again. It's ironic because he visited those sick kids in the hospital. Now he's a sick man in the hospital. He's a sick man. Sure. We cannot stress it. enough. He is a sick man. And he's
Starting point is 01:06:32 been on fire. Yeah, exactly. They're like Michael Jackson, you have to take pain meds. And he's like, I'll never take pain meds. That's not good for me. But he does end up taking payments. And you're like, wow, I wonder if this will affect him later in his life. I wonder if these are addictive. They're very addictive, Michael Jackson. I wonder if this will affect me later in this movie. They won't, don't worry
Starting point is 01:06:48 about it. It doesn't come up again later at all. And it keeps cutting back to his dad. His dad's like, you can't escape being your family, Michael Jackson. And he's like, I want to do my own thing. And then his dad keeps like, hoping him back into being the Jackson 5. And that happens, again, five or six times throughout this movie.
Starting point is 01:07:05 Until the end... It would have been... It would be neither if it was five times. Six times you've broken the... It might have been. I don't know how many specifically. But at the end, like, it ends with two stadium sequences. One way he's performing with the Jackson 5.
Starting point is 01:07:19 And it's in a big stadium and they're like, we all love Michael Jackson. And people are like screaming and crying and fainting, which is all true. Like, people went crazy for this fucking lunatic. Yeah, I think a lot of people don't realize how famous... he was. So famous. Because, you know, we have your Taylor Swift's and so on now. But, like,
Starting point is 01:07:37 for all the millions of people that love Taylor Swift, there are millions of people who are like, I don't know anything about her kind of thing. But, like, you're inescapable, Michael. Tabloids followed him everywhere, you know, and there was speculation about his life and whatever. It doesn't touch on any of the relationships that he had with any women,
Starting point is 01:07:50 which I don't know, this era is, I don't know what he was up to. Again, crook stuff, but maybe it turns out. So there's the one stadium scene where he goes, I like how you're rushing to the end it seems. This is what the movie felt like. Seems fast-paced. I just want to get this over with.
Starting point is 01:08:06 So it ends that and he's like, I don't want to be Michael Jackson for the family anymore. And his dad's like, you have to be Michael Jackson. And then he's for the family. And he's like, he's free of his dad. And then it cuts to the bad concert, which is how the movie starts. Oh, nice.
Starting point is 01:08:20 Because he had to think about his whole life before he played. Exactly. It's the Dewey Cox thing and whatever. And so then he performs bad. Again, another stadium sequence where everyone's screaming and crying and yelling. While he does bad. Also, some of the music choices are like, I don't understand why you put this Jackson 5 song in
Starting point is 01:08:35 and not like a more famous or better song. Yeah. I couldn't even give you a specific example because, you know, his discography is incredible. Did they do ABC? They do that, yeah. And there's other stuff. And I think it's because this is a Jackson estate property.
Starting point is 01:08:51 Absolutely. So they also want to sell. Because it's still like a huge, like a massively selling us to this day. Again, this is like this, I think maybe when the track. for this came out. This is like the F1 movie. Yeah. Like it's a rounding error to promote the thing that actually makes the money
Starting point is 01:09:07 which is the theater shows and stage musical and the stage musical and still the all the merch and probably all the vinyl records and the t-shirts and everything. Anyway so he does bad and then which is such a strange
Starting point is 01:09:24 song but and then it's on the stage or whatever and then because he's sold gang violence now he's pretending to be a bad guy. Pretending. Pretending. Pretending. Pretending.
Starting point is 01:09:34 Pretending. And then it just cuts. It's the end. And it just says, his story will continue. Nice. And that's the end of the movie. In a bad way.
Starting point is 01:09:43 In a bad way. Which is like strange, and there might be a sequel to this. I don't know whether they can because you why they cover the stuff that really happened. Yeah. Or like was speculated to happen. And fans of him are furious. Or you do that in a really watered down way.
Starting point is 01:09:59 And then it's. It's just like, it's a nothing movie, which is what this is essentially. I mean, if I had to guess, and this has done huge numbers, my guess would be they do, they do the next movie, they cover that stuff. Yeah. Because he was never actually, there were lots of settlements, but he was never convicted. Well, that's what I was going to talk about. So when it's like, yeah, his story would continue. Like, you're left thinking like, oh, yeah, what happened after that?
Starting point is 01:10:22 What happened like directly after this? And it's like, yeah, there were, yes, there were numerous accusations. a lot of which he paid millions of dollars to make go away. Yeah. Right? And that is like, I don't know. It feels like, and I don't know this for a fact. But there are a lot, a lot of allegations.
Starting point is 01:10:41 Correct. And a lot of them he paid off. And I'm not, again, I don't think we'll ever really know. But what we do know, like. But I mean, certainly like what I would guess is, I mean, it could. The patents here for people who do the things that he's accused to have done. Yeah. It is like textbook grooming.
Starting point is 01:10:57 Absolutely it is. But also, but I would. would also say there was probably i imagine there was some situations where he just was like the lawyers would just like throw money in everybody yeah it's in a in a you know the the simplest solution is just be like millions of dollars to everybody kind of thing potentially not that i'm saying none of them happen i'm sure many of them did well there's the thing like he did we know for a fact and he said this in interviews he slept in beds like with children he dangled a fucking baby out a window which is where you draw the line you said my you sold me privately everything else
Starting point is 01:11:28 you were fine with. But isn't that, isn't that, like, the fact that you could look at this, and you see it in the comments, because the Michael Jackson fans slash, like, PR team is, it's going to be in the comments of this. It's everywhere. And there's going to be, like, he wasn't convicted of anything and whatever, which wasn't true. And I think it's lucky for him that he is dead, because I think the perception of him would be, like, very different if he was alive and things continued to come out.
Starting point is 01:11:52 And he's on social media. Yeah, exactly, where he had to answer for things. Also, he was, like, there was. child erotica, which were like art books, like found in his possession, like naked children. Like on, like, that's not technically legal, I guess. I fucking guess, but like, why would, why would, well, I don't know. Like, apparently it was, but like, why would you have that? And I'm not even expecting the movie to address like that specifically, but because even as,
Starting point is 01:12:23 because it wouldn't. It's not going to listen. No, it wouldn't. Because it will, it will, again, it will. frame it as like. It was a tragic thing. And he had to, there'll be a lot of,
Starting point is 01:12:32 there'll be a lot of him, like, going to court, and then afterwards he'll be standing at a balcony going, oh, I wish I didn't have to go to court. Yeah, exactly. And then it'll be like, and then there'll be a lot of him staring out of windows and dangling a baby out of a window and going,
Starting point is 01:12:47 oh, I wish I wasn't. And then he'll be, he'll die and there'll be a thing about, they'll blame the doctors and, or, et cetera. And then there'll be a moving tribute to him, but they won't. you know sure and that like yeah the doctors did kill him like and the criticism like in all the
Starting point is 01:13:03 reviews the criticism will be all of this is sort of lies by omission yes and but the people who pay money to see it won't they're not interested in them they're not going to read any of those articles or if they are they're going to totally you know spam the comments and I think like you know outside of even the fact because I wasn't expecting this movie to address any of that I just think it's not a good movie and I mean that from the sense of like yeah if you want to go in and see like a minute of thriller or watch him watch his nephew perform bad
Starting point is 01:13:31 and it's a pretty good rendition of bad yeah you're gonna get that how ironic yeah but like James wouldn't you agree that's ironic it's ironic it's a good rendition of bad it's not James would you agree no shut up it's just it's not it's not a good as a movie it's not good
Starting point is 01:13:45 unless you love Michael Jackson but even then I don't think it's still a good movie because you even love Michael Jackson you didn't even think this a good movie I hope that's come across yeah but like what would also be after this you just watch him whittle away his fucking head for the rest of his life.
Starting point is 01:13:58 Correct, yes. And then he just, and then he dies. That honestly, he'll be, well, they're going to hit alien ant farm cover of like smooth criminal or whatever? Was he alive when they came out? He was. That was the early 2000s. I'm sorry I told you to shut up.
Starting point is 01:14:09 That was rude actually. No, that's quite right. No, I've deserved it. I've deserved it for 10 years. Maybe they will. Maybe he'll meet alien ant farm. Maybe he will. But look, it's, look, I, and you could argue that, yeah, I was never going to like this.
Starting point is 01:14:23 Because I don't like Michael Jackson. And I think, again, even if he wasn't a pedophile, which is unproven, I still think he sucks. I still think he was manipulative and spoiled. But also there was terrible things that did happen to him with his father in the way the media treated him at certain times and racism. And all of that is true. Mean people saying mean stuff on podcasts. Yeah, but he was still a massive piece of shit. And despite his, like, his talent and his contributions to art.
Starting point is 01:14:51 But, and again, I just, it sucks. It's bad and I feel bad watching it and talking about it Well I'm not going to watch it Instead, now time to rewatch Chinatown One of your favorite movies And the Twilight Zone movie Also I didn't pay for it, I had cinema points So I guess there's that
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Starting point is 01:15:45 Positive vibes only. Definitely. Now you can be negative. Well, those Michael Jackson people are in the comments, Mason. Oh, yeah. Telling me technically it wasn't. he wasn't ever went to jail. No, I know.
Starting point is 01:15:56 Because nobody, you know. He did spend time. He didn't go to prison. He did spend some time in jail. Well, I think it's interesting that, you know, he was the first person ever if he did commit a crime to get away with it. That's true. That's really interesting.
Starting point is 01:16:06 Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, that's true. The first rich person to dodge jail time. Amazing, actually. Mate, you're obsessed. Yeah, maybe I am. Get over it. I won't.
Starting point is 01:16:17 Get over it and just enjoy a man doing the moonwalk. Is it you? Yeah, I'm doing it right now, look. I am enjoying that, actually. Did you invent that? Yeah, I'm walking. Like, it looks like I should be going forward, but I'm going backwards. You're actually going backwards, aren't you?
Starting point is 01:16:32 Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, into hell. Mason, we're ready for letters. Here's a letter from Zade. Who says, I spent nine hours in the cinema, and all I got was this lousy bumache. No? Hello, I wanted to ask if you guys have watched movies
Starting point is 01:16:46 back-to-back in the cinema. And if you do, what's the most you having one day? I came out of a triple bill, This is Mother Mary. I don't know what that is. Exit 8 and Michael marathon yesterday. Mother Mary. Oh, yeah, that's the Ann Hathaway.
Starting point is 01:16:57 Oh, who else is in that? Anne Hathaway, she's just doing this. And what? And Devil wears Prada? Oh, yeah. She's having an Hathorot. She's having the Hathosance. She's having the Hathor-Colns.
Starting point is 01:17:08 There we go. Yeah. What do we call it? And Hathosance. No, I had a different stupid name. Matthew Matheson. No. McConnell Palluzza.
Starting point is 01:17:17 Hathckel Palluzza. I don't know what I said. Hathcule Poulouza. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Apart from that, I've only done Barbenheimer. Yesterday, I felt pretty good, and I'd be down to do it again. Curious to hear your take. I don't like doing it.
Starting point is 01:17:29 Sometimes I'll do... I can't, I have done it? It's normally a movie at home and then a movie in cinema. I haven't done... I think most recently the most I've done is two, and I think I did... I think I did something for the podcast, like the regular... Something in the way here podcasts. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:17:44 How cool I am. I think I did something for the main part of the podcast to the review, and then I think I did something for what we read. I think it had a different cinema. I think I did Hoyt's in the city and then I did Cinema Nova for something else. Oh, okay. But I don't know.
Starting point is 01:18:00 Don't remember any of those movies? Neither of those movies, no. Somebody would no doubt recommend you what you did, tell you what you did, because you probably came in and told everybody. Probably did. You probably did a big trouble in Little Chinatown and then one for work.
Starting point is 01:18:14 I did that, do that recently. I try not to do it. I definitely have done it, but I try not to. I run the risk, I think, of my brain hurting if I do more. If I would do more than two in a day, I think I'd be just, like, because for comedy festival,
Starting point is 01:18:28 I would often see multiple shows in a row and usually by the third or fourth. You're like, what's funny anymore? What's funny anymore? And like I am enjoying it, but I also will get a headache. It's just the focus, I think. And I think for me that I would need to do
Starting point is 01:18:40 for me, you thought about focusing harder? Do you reckon that would help? Yeah, I think probably. Ugh. I could probably, I reckon I could do three in a day. But it's also a matter of having an entire day to myself.
Starting point is 01:18:51 Well, that's the other thing, isn't it? I think I'd have to do movie, late lunch, movie dinner. I need a break to like stretch or walk around. Sweet treat at the end. Sweet trade at the end. Exactly. Well deserved from sitting around all day like a bum. Doing this as a job.
Starting point is 01:19:06 Exactly. Bradley Trennery says, with your current set of skills, which horror movie or disaster movie universe do you think you would actually last a long time? For me, it's anything where the, if we're talking horror movies, where it's just a guy. Right. Right, with a knife, like a scream guy.
Starting point is 01:19:21 Yeah, like if it was a scream guy and I knew I was in a screamuation. Yeah. I'm not saying I would win. Right. But I think I could navigate that because it's not supernatural. I know the rules of the real world. Right, okay. I know that if I just waited in my room with a baseball bat and scream came in, I could cave his head in.
Starting point is 01:19:40 But Scream's an interesting complication there because he's not a random murderer. Yeah. If he's, if he's hunting you, you have some connection to the scream. universe, which also means he wants to kind of wrap things up thematically at the end and reveal who it is. So are you, are you, because the question there is, oh, am I the main scream guy in the movie? Yeah. Well, also the, the, because by the one who just get off from the start. Like in a horror movie or a disaster movie, if you're the main character, you are going to survive, are you, are we the main character in this or are we just a guy? Because in like a deep
Starting point is 01:20:15 impact, you're just going to, you're just going to die. Yeah. There's nothing, although, you, I guess if you follow the rules of a disaster movie, you could become the main guy. Sure, okay. Like you don't. Like alien. Like, exactly. She becomes the main guy.
Starting point is 01:20:31 That's true. She doesn't become the main guy. Like, if you have to look at the mistakes that background characters make in those movies. Yeah. To, and avoid those. So if you're like,
Starting point is 01:20:41 I'm not leaving without my Ferrari or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You've got to go. You would never leave without your Ferrari. Exactly. I wouldn't because it goes so fast as red.
Starting point is 01:20:50 Red Ferrari? You have a red Ferrari? I was joking. I didn't know you had a red Ferrari. I don't have a red Ferrari. I would never get, I would never get resale red on the Ferrari. Resale red, is that what they call it? They call it resale red, you know, the classic red Ferrari.
Starting point is 01:21:03 Because it holds the most value when you want to sell it. And you get an X-Eas model. Like Pokemon cards. I would never get a red one. I don't like the red. What did you get? A darker red. They do have a darker red.
Starting point is 01:21:13 Red. I'm going brown. Green? Racing green. British Racing green. Let me check. Yeah. Let me check.
Starting point is 01:21:20 Yeah. British. You know about this internet thing? Yeah, I've heard of the internet. Yeah. It's pretty shit, actually. I fucked it up a bit. Oh, I like this.
Starting point is 01:21:28 That's a classic. You get British racing green, tan interior. Yes, that is classic. That is a classic combo. Oh, I'm loving these Ferraris, modern or old with this color. This is a good choice, actually. Thank you. Anyway, sorry.
Starting point is 01:21:40 Anyway, so that's the Ferrari I have. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so, but like in a horror movie as well, like, I guess... Now would you fare against Freddie Kruger? I just wouldn't go to sleep for a while. Yeah, but everyone has that. I don't sleep well anyway. Everyone has that thought.
Starting point is 01:21:53 I'm mostly awake, honestly. Yeah, you can't though. You have to sleep, but you only need to be asleep once. I mean, the idea, I guess you know him, right? So you see him and you're like, I know this. Yeah. You have to be like, I'm free. Well, see, the thing is you have to, in order to defeat Frederick Krueger for the most part,
Starting point is 01:22:08 you have to be holding him and then wake up. Yeah. And then he's in the real world and then you just beat him up. Yeah. And he goes, oh, no. Oh, no, I was in a dream now I'm here. Yeah. I don't think I could be.
Starting point is 01:22:19 like a Jason Voorhees or something like that. Yeah. He would just cave my head in. Exactly. Straight away. Yeah. Ghost and stuff, I can't with that man. It's no logic.
Starting point is 01:22:29 Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it also depends on like what version of a ghost story you're in because a lot of the time, if you're in a classic ghost story, the ghost is there for a reason. You provide the reason to them. Yeah. And that, or you solve their problem or, you know, you solve their murder or whatever,
Starting point is 01:22:44 and they leave. But if it's like, sometimes if you're in a movie, where you think that's the goal and then you do that. But then it turns out... It's just evil. It's just a ghost that sucks and it kills you anyway. The ring. The ring, exactly.
Starting point is 01:22:57 Yeah. She just sucks. What about a Lee Cronin's the mummy? You bring home a rotten kid, but it's actually a mummy. I don't think I would bring it home. No, I would just throw money at the problem until it goes away. Yeah, it's a good idea. You just put her in a facility.
Starting point is 01:23:10 Or a sarcophagus. Put her back in the sarcophagus. Get your sarcophagus guy to fix it. This is where you live now. Yeah, exactly. Which is good for you and me. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:18 I'd simply realize the reason. she was mummified is to avoid that awful curse being spread out into the world. And I'd be like, sorry, you have to live in a psychophagus now. I think I would just woo Rachel Weiss. Oh, it's a different than Mummy. No, this is what I would do in any situation. And then me and her would team up. Well, I heard they're on the rock, so maybe you'll get your chance.
Starting point is 01:23:33 It's just the perfect opportunity for me to meet Daniel Craig. That's right, exactly. And I'd commiserate being of course. And ask him where he got his ideas for, for James Bond? Hey, where'd you get your ideas from? How'd you come up with this James Bond guy? Is this you? How much of this did you really do?
Starting point is 01:23:47 None of it? I'm an actor. Yeah, I'm an actor too, but listen, seriously. Seriously. Seriously. Daniel. Daniel, you're blonde. What are you thinking?
Starting point is 01:23:57 Did you have Rachel Weiss's number? Daniel. Daniel. It's for my friend Nick Mason. He's got to text her. He's going to pick her up. You know, mine, yeah? He's going to pick her up in his real Ferrari that he has.
Starting point is 01:24:08 It's green, I think. British green. You'd appreciate that. That's right. Yeah. That's good stuff, Mason. What's your next letter? By the way, can he borrow your Ferrari?
Starting point is 01:24:18 This is from Jean Luca. Ooh. Hello guys. Last week I ran a marathon in Manchester. Whoa. And listen to the weekly planet pod throughout to Power Me On. Sounds terrible. I did it in three hours and ten minutes, which is a time I'm really pleased with.
Starting point is 01:24:29 That's a decent marathon time. There you go. I wanted to say thank you for helping me get there. In the spirit of marathons, I wanted to ask what fictional city would be the best host for one and which would be the worst. Gotham would be terrible. Terrible. Smog and knives. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:24:43 Batman barrels down the street. That's right, because they wouldn't, they would barely plan it. Like civic planning would barely plan the route. And so if you run it along, you're like, wait, I'm in Knives Alley. Yeah. I'm getting stabbed by knives. You fall into a manhole and then a crocodile man would get you. You'd be running along, you know, with the other runners and you give him a little nod and you go, oh, that's Mr. Zaz.
Starting point is 01:25:04 Yeah. He's completely covered in the slashes of all the, the, numbering all the people is killed. Now he's going to murder me. Yeah. You know. God. Yeah. So that would be good.
Starting point is 01:25:14 But then you can have a martini at the icefield lounge. That's true. Metropolis, that's probably really nice. Oh, very nice. I mean, helpful. Everybody would be helpful. And if something happens, Superman would turn up. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:24 Whereas if it was day Gotham as well, because Batman's not going to turn up, is he? No. Because it would be during that, unless they do a night marathon. It would be, no, it would be at the worst time. Yeah. The Gotham marathon would be at the start of peak hour. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:38 So it would go day to night. So you'd have all the traffic. And just people, New York style, just tearing through intersections, they'll get out of the way. But then it would turn it. a night and all the crime would come out and you'd be like great this is why did i sign up to this i hope i get a good time oh no i'm being stabbed yeah by victor zaz and i ate a big belly bucket burger right before this and i feel really sick oh and the and there's some kind of joker and or
Starting point is 01:26:01 scarecrow toxin yeah yeah probably and and there's fog yeah and i like this and clay face clay faces there i thought he was a guy i thought he was that it was a famous actor which he is yeah he's also using a big mace um um What's another fictional city? Blade Runner City would be good. Oh, hell yeah. Wet and night all the time. Isn't that just a real city though?
Starting point is 01:26:23 But the future? The Blade Runner City, yeah. I guess, yeah, sure. Los Angeles or whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, nice. I guess it's a fictionalized version of that city.
Starting point is 01:26:30 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You could wear a Persex trench coat. Oh, hell, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's right, yeah. Neon? Mm, God. What else would be good and or bad?
Starting point is 01:26:42 And or? And or. Which planet, though? The one where you get arrested for being on the beach. You have to explain. Yeah, you'd have to explain. I'm actually doing a marathon.
Starting point is 01:26:52 No, you're under arrest. You're under arrest. You're going to work in that factory. Oh, man. That makes, but I'm murder, dead stars. I'm the main guy.
Starting point is 01:26:58 I'm Andor. That's not important. This is symbolic of how even though you're the main guy in Andor, doesn't matter, we'll get you. It doesn't matter. We'll get you. You'll break out later, though.
Starting point is 01:27:06 Yeah. That's right. You ever met Andy Circus? Yeah, Tatoine. You do a Tatoine one? Tatoine. Oh, yeah. My brother's done like ultra marathons through the desert and
Starting point is 01:27:15 whatever. Yeah. They said there were definitely moments where he seems to running like 100K and stuff like that. Yeah. There were moments where he had a big phase where he just did marathons every day. He's still a good runner. But like there's moments where he's on your own for a lot of it. He's like, I hope this is the right way.
Starting point is 01:27:30 I'm on my own in the desert. Yeah. They'd give you a little droid to help. You'd hope so. And they would navigate, but also they'd whine about it. Mamma, ma'am. Exactly. There's 10,000 reasons you're an idiot.
Starting point is 01:27:43 Wow. That's me to the droid. Wow. Yeah, cool I'm doing this to raise money for a children's hospital You stupid kids Stupid droid I got my turn
Starting point is 01:27:54 Yes From Ruby who says I've never been this early before Loll Do you have any hobbies or crafts That you do it in your downtime If not Is there anything you're interested in taking up
Starting point is 01:28:03 I'm pretty much constantly doing something While listening to the pod Crocheting, drawing, sewing or doing a pottery I can't have my hands Be still for more than like 10 minutes Loll That's a lot Now that's a lull
Starting point is 01:28:13 I recently did pottery with my kids in the school holidays. We went to pottery. And it was walked in there. And the guy, well, I think I told you this. He was one million years old. Oh, you did mention that. And he's like, hello, welcome to pottery.
Starting point is 01:28:26 And he's like slowly explaining pottery. And I'm like, Jesus Christ. We're all going to die in this way. He was good in the potter. And my daughter turns out with the start. And she's like, I'm scared. But that's all right. That he would die.
Starting point is 01:28:38 Yeah, I don't know. Just in general. But it ended up being great. And he ended up being really good. And my son made a Batman head. Nice. And my daughter made a cat. And it was really fun.
Starting point is 01:28:47 So I'll do crafts with kids like all the time. Do you think you were ever going to go back? Or is that a one and done for kids? No, I think we would go back. I think we definitely would go back. But I don't, I do like, I did a lot of it at school. And I think that's put it when I was a teacher because that puts you off because doing craft with like 25 to 30 kids is a fucking nightmare.
Starting point is 01:29:06 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the setup and the mess and there's glue everywhere. They don't really know how to clean up. So it's just you for a lot of it. But no, I like, what about you? Craft. Craft. I would like to know how to knit.
Starting point is 01:29:19 I don't. Knit would be good. Yeah. If you make a scarf, it's too late now. Winter's almost upon us. I guess I could knock out a scarf. Sounds pretty easy. Just knock it out.
Starting point is 01:29:28 Just knock it right out. It's just a long thing, right? Just a long thing. It's just a long thing. That's the easiest thing to do. You could probably write your name in it as well, all right? Yeah, that's right. Nick Mason's scarf.
Starting point is 01:29:40 Nick Mason scarf. Which is your full name. In the Gryffindore colors. Really? I didn't know you're a Gryffindor. I'm not. I'm going to sell it. I'm going to on sell it to a big Gryffinor fan.
Starting point is 01:29:49 Someone called Nick Mason's scarf. Maybe. Maybe. All right. Would you do like a craft act? Would you go to a thing? I would absolutely go to a thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:59 Because there's often stuff, and I've done this in my local area and I have friends who like run printwork and craft things. And I go and like, yeah. I'd like to screen print t-shirts. Is that still a thing later? Oh, yeah. Good question. Would you tie dye a t-shirt? Would you tie dye me a t-shirt that says Nick Mason.
Starting point is 01:30:14 Griffin door scarf. Yes. T-shirt idea. And on the back it says, on the back it says, promotional tool for the Nick Mason, Griffin door scarf. And you can advertise it for free. That's free money for me.
Starting point is 01:30:26 That's free. I mean, the t-shirt will cost, but I, you know, in time and money, but I think it's worth it because then I'll sell that scarf. Absolutely. I like anything like, I don't do enough of it, but I like plants and soil and stuff like that. I do not have time for it, but that's something I'm enjoying more.
Starting point is 01:30:41 Yeah. Yeah, we'd definitely do a one-off. Like a, you know, drinking paint. Sure. People do that. They do a... Drinking paint. No, not drinking paint, but I guess you can.
Starting point is 01:30:51 I'm doing a drinking paint. I'm doing a drinking paint. That's my hobby. I drink paint. Yeah, no, I like that stuff. It's good. It's good opportunity to... I like anybody who's, like, really good at a thing
Starting point is 01:31:04 and is, like, imparting that onto others. Yes. I think that's awesome. Yeah, cool. All right, got another one, Mason? Maybe. Let's have a look. Oh, he doesn't, actually.
Starting point is 01:31:13 No, maybe I do. I do. This is from Chris. A Australian indoctrination of Ireland in the 90s Okay Good start Writing in to highlight the in retrospect Bizarre amount of Australian content
Starting point is 01:31:25 Ireland was subjected to in the 80s, 90s and early 2000 Give me an example Wondering if Aussies are aware of the sheer level of it No I know there was a bunch of stuff in the UK We had home and away neighbours Blue Water High Thunderstone Girl From Tomorrow I don't even know what that is
Starting point is 01:31:40 Oh no I know Blue Water High Ocean Girl Spellbinder around the twist The Tribe Pugwall Summer Kath and Kim In retrospect, it was a really weird amount of Australian TV for a national broadcast to be showing, guessing it was cheap. It would have been. A lot of these shows also, they did way better.
Starting point is 01:31:55 Like, neighbours stayed on for years because it played better in the UK than it did here. We even had a weird co-produced show, Foreign Exchange, where a magic portal linked Ireland and Australia, and the characters went back and forth. It was the first role for Robert Sheehan from the Umbrella Academy and Misfits and stuff.
Starting point is 01:32:13 Who played the Standard Nerd. standard nerd. If you ever happen to wonder why you have a lot of Irish listeners or why Irish immigrants to Australia are so predisposed to like the place, you can thank Blame our national broadcaster RTE for being famously cheap.
Starting point is 01:32:27 I mean, we got Bellicus Angel. The door swings both ways. That's so true, isn't it? So you've got to think about that, man. And we got Colin Farrell. We got Colin Farrell. You gave us a Colin Farrell, which I don't mind.
Starting point is 01:32:38 Yeah. And we got St. Patrick's Day. Because we're all Irish. We're all Irish. Do you have Irish heritage? Absolutely. Me too. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:32:45 Let's move it over and live there. Have you seen the Paul Mescal? I think it's an SNL skid where someone goes back to Ireland's like, I'm actually, I'm actually, and the whole pub is like just uproarious. Nice, great. A sun has returned and whatever.
Starting point is 01:32:57 Yeah, that's very good. Isn't that interesting? It is interesting. I didn't know to the extent of it because some of those shows. You got pug walls, some of Jesus. Yeah. My God.
Starting point is 01:33:06 I remember Blue Water High. I just looked it up and I'm like, I vaguely remember this. Yeah. There you go. Thunderstone. I don't know what that is. No idea what that is.
Starting point is 01:33:13 Let me check. TV show. What is there? I don't know this at all. Sci-fight something? Oh, it's got one of the Bronsonsons in it who play Bronson in Round the Twist. Charles Bronson.
Starting point is 01:33:23 Yeah, 99 to 2000. E. I'm Thunderstone. They only have one season and they still... Yeah, that would be even cheaper, right? No, sorry, three seasons. Well, that would be even cheaper. That's even cheaper. It's on DVD if you want it.
Starting point is 01:33:37 Mm-hmm. Got one from Joshua Thomas, not that one. Okay. When you film Carabana Garbage Chilogies, well, we actually don't film them. I think you'll follow me that. It's actually a video and then we put, we, Ben and Lawrence put it. So, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:33:49 I know. Do you film them all at once so you have everything fresh in your mind or you space them out? We space them out by usually like a week. Lazy week, yeah. I don't think that would be good if we do them one after the other. I think we'd get confused. We'd get confused.
Starting point is 01:34:04 And I like watching one. This is the sole focus. Learn everything about this. And then do the next thing for the next. And then record it. It's done. And then, yeah. Correct. We do record multiple things on a day usually, but it's separate items.
Starting point is 01:34:18 Yeah, exactly. It very rarely, if ever, will be two of the same thing. Very rarely, if ever. Yeah. Very rarely, ever. I don't know. I feel like if we did do that, you could tell, and it wouldn't be good. Yes. Oh, not as good. Or maybe we'd nail it, actually.
Starting point is 01:34:34 Yeah. Do you have a one in a one? Do you have an email from Zane? Zane. Hey, James and mate, so Zane here. I know Zane. Zane, come on. Since the launch of the new DC, you, James. going to say that the projects will be more director and creator-driven. Do you have any dream director or creative team for a character or project in general you'd love to see? I'd love to see a Sam Ramey or Robert Eggers Batman film. I'd love to see a Robert Eggers-Constantine
Starting point is 01:34:56 film. Didn't? Oh, that's interesting. Right? Didn't Sam Ramey nearly do Batman? At one point? Oh, he was asked to do Batman forever or something? Well, he hit Darkman. Yeah, but I think that was because he wanted something else and then he made... I can't remember specifically. I mean, Sam Rami's made a number of... What about a Michael Mann Batman film? Uh, okay. Is he doing the New Miami Vice? Uh, Miami Vice 85 or whatever.
Starting point is 01:35:21 Someone is. Is that the one that they're doing? Maybe. Yeah. All right. All right. What about a John Carpenter? Something silly.
Starting point is 01:35:30 John Carpenter. But now John Carpenter? Do you like now John Carpenter? Oh, I mean, he doesn't really do anything. Yeah. That video game's good. Yeah. How much did he do it?
Starting point is 01:35:36 I don't actually know. I don't know. I don't know. But, um, we're talking about it. We're talking about it. God, Dream Project. You should have told me this before the show. Wow.
Starting point is 01:35:45 And then I would have... Did you watch leftovers? No, I never got around to that. Okay. But you had all that time off or whatever. He's sitting around. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:53 And I built... I made that scarf. I built it. I built that scarf. Dream Project, a good movie. No one's crook in it. Nice. And everybody's cool.
Starting point is 01:36:02 Everyone's cool. And sexy. And it's sexy, but not in a lecherous way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And the effects are good. And the effects are good and everyone's paid properly. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:36:10 And we came up with the idea right now So we get some or all of the money Probably all of it really If we had the idea Yeah yeah yeah And all the cool sexy people we hired They didn't get any money We suck it out of them
Starting point is 01:36:24 In an ideal world We make all the money from this thing And it's good And it's good And we get the praise But we didn't do much Yeah And then everybody involved
Starting point is 01:36:33 They all die in an accident So they can't speak out against us Yeah Which they wouldn't anyway Yeah Because they're dead They are dead But we didn't do it
Starting point is 01:36:41 We didn't do it It was an accident It was an accident It wasn't an on-purpose to You all saw it It was an accident It wasn't an old On purpose stent
Starting point is 01:36:50 Anyway our IP Was it? No Robert X Are you looking for a Werewolf or whatever he's doing? Very much so Yeah
Starting point is 01:36:58 Okay You like the last Wolfman movie No, I didn't Yeah he did everyone I didn't He always talks about it off air I didn't Should we leave it there
Starting point is 01:37:05 I got one more Oh my God Hey James and Mesa That's us You discuss vampire invitation in your latest podcast. No, we don't. And decided that other people you led into your house
Starting point is 01:37:13 could invite vampires in. I agree with you. Got me wondering how far this goes. This is Robin, by the way. If I'm on Zoom with a friend... That's right. It's Banksy. If I'm on Zoom with a friend,
Starting point is 01:37:24 could they invite a vampire in? I'm letting a friend visit digitally and their voice can be heard by the vampire lurking outside. What if I'm listening to a podcast and the host's welcome the vampire in? Does the vampire need to understand current technology? Well, depends on the example of this, is there?
Starting point is 01:37:38 Well, depends on the vampire law. So in the, I was just thinking about this the other day. The first thing I saw Idris Albaren was the TV show Ultra Violet. Oh, that's true. You loved that, didn't you? I liked that. I think it was three episodes or six episodes or something. It's a great show, but it has like early 90s BBC budget special effects.
Starting point is 01:37:54 Yes. Terrible. But in that, vampires can't, but they basically can't use any technology. They've extended... Is it because they, is it like a mirror thing? It's the mirror thing. So they can't be seen in mirrors, but that extends to you can't... See them on films?
Starting point is 01:38:10 You can't see them on films. There's a lot of like just looking at CCTV footage and then something gets... Yeah, but also the main characters, because they are, you know, they're investigating vampires and et cetera. On their guns, they have a little kind of camcorder-like screen. And so they know if you're a vampire, if they pointed at you and they can't see anything, if you don't show up on it. I'm going to be easier to have a mirror on your gun. But then the biggest the mirror would point back at you. You would point back here.
Starting point is 01:38:36 And if you're invisible, you know you're a vampire. That's so true. Is that good or bad that? And then you have to turn the gun on yourself. You go bang. So you don't want to do that. So you do the camp court. Yeah, you do the camp corner.
Starting point is 01:38:43 But they also can't communicate over the phone. Because it doesn't work. So they have to morph code? Letters. I think they can type things on a like a voice synthesizer thing and they can send that over. But I would say. So in this year. Are they magic?
Starting point is 01:39:03 Yes. I think they are magic. Yeah. So like they've got a rare type of blood disease. Exactly. I don't think they'd be able to see the Zoom call in that universe, right? Okay. Yeah, I guess not.
Starting point is 01:39:13 Yeah. So they can't see, they can't see the Zoom call. So they can't watch TV. Oh, actually, that's the opposite. Actually, you're absolutely right. That is different. I think inviting someone in your house digitally is different. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:39:27 Because if someone's in my house, if I'm on a call, that's not me telling them that they can come into my actual house. No, that's true. Yeah. So I think it doesn't extend to that. Yeah, no, you're right. If they're physically, they don't, you're, if you're Zoom, them from your house and they're also in your house. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:39:41 That's different. That's different. But you haven't, I don't think you, I don't think you'd digital invite to somebody's house counts. Agreed. Yeah. I should digitally invite you here. This would be better for me.
Starting point is 01:39:50 Go on. That's it. What, and then I wouldn't eat. You wouldn't be here. I wouldn't eat the ritz crackers from your cupboard. He wouldn't even drink, he come here and he drinks five coaks every time, everyone. For my Coke vending machine I bought. Okay, now, steady on.
Starting point is 01:40:02 Steady on. I don't drink them. I pour them out into your garden. Which is good. I agree. Is that the show? That is the whole show. Good vampire question.
Starting point is 01:40:12 What are we doing next week? Oh, that's a good question. There's stuff coming out, I'm pretty sure. There's always stuff coming out. There's a show, there's something. Is it maybe Masters of the Universe soon? I don't know about that. Oh, the devil raised prada too.
Starting point is 01:40:24 That's not it, but it could be that. I mean, it is coming out. Yeah. Do you want to see the Michael Jackson movie again? No, I don't want to see it at all. I don't want. Interesting. I don't think there is anything next week that I've seen.
Starting point is 01:40:33 Hokem? Yeah, we could Hokem. Yeah, we could Hokem. We could Devil Wears Prada though. that is fun. I would. Yeah, let's do it. Could be sassy.
Starting point is 01:40:40 It'll 100% be sassy. Emily Blunt will be like, hey. This is sassy. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Yeah. Well, you're still ugly, aren't you famously beautiful Anne Hathaway? That's a mean thing to say to Ann Hathaway, who is also like. And then it's just five minutes of Emily Blunt vomiting in a waste paper basket.
Starting point is 01:40:57 She's also a good looking. I agree. Yeah, I'm telling you that. Yeah. All right. What's the end of the show about. Folks, what I say is, folks, thank you so much for listening. We absolutely appreciate.
Starting point is 01:41:06 Thank you so much. Thank you for telling your friend about the podcast. Your one friend, your singular friend. James is doing the yappy, yappy motion. Yeah, it's good. I'm encouraging you. Thanks, man, I know. Because you've got a beautiful smile on your face.
Starting point is 01:41:16 I like to think it's the best smile in this room. I don't know. Thank you for telling your friends about the podcast. That is how we get to your listeners. And thank you for living a five-star review on your podcast app of choice. If you do so, James will find it. He'll find you. He'll find you.
Starting point is 01:41:30 He wrote something. I don't recognize the characters. I put them into translation and it said, this is Chinese. Huh. So. Okay. From that.
Starting point is 01:41:38 That wasn't the direct translation. It was just telling me that it was Chinese. Sure. It doesn't just say this is Chinese. No. And the review is Mr. Nick Mason swears in this one. Whoa.
Starting point is 01:41:46 Whoa. And I got this one from Young Field Mouth from the USA says, love these straight divas. I love these guys. They're the best. And I look forward to a new pod, Epp, and the caravan of garbage. That's wonderful.
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Starting point is 01:43:39 Don't mind if we do. I would love to. Crack open the Proseco. Have you seen previous Devil Wes Prada? Yes. The Devil War Prada, but the first time only. And the guy from Entourage was there? I'm Entourage guy.
Starting point is 01:43:49 Is he back for this? I don't think he is. No, I don't think he is. It's an Australian guy. Patrick Brammel. There you go. That's cool. That's cool.
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Starting point is 01:44:05 It's nice. Anne Heatherway's got an age-appropriate boyfriend. I think that's good. Wow. I assume they're roughly the same age, I don't know. I don't know how old anybody is. Yeah, I'm same. All right, thanks, everyone.
Starting point is 01:44:14 Grabbed out, Jimmy, we'll see next week. Except Andrew Garfield, we're the same age, which upsets me. And I think he's okay with it, though. He's very successful, and he's got incredible hair. I hate that about him. Bye, everyone. Bye.

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