The Weekly Planet - 624 The Mandalorian vs Groglet & The Boys Series Finale
Episode Date: May 25, 2026Incredible week for both big movie and big tv show! That’s right, both The Mandalorian VS. Groglet and The Boys Season 5 finale have arrived to varying degrees of audience apathy. We revie...w that plus talk the news of the week covering Peter Jackson potentially returning to Middle Earth to direct The Silmarillion, The Godfather gets a fourth movie, a new trailer for Lanterns and more! Thanks for listening!New bonus Booque Clubbe podcast ep and video for Spider-Man: Life Story! Available to watch and listen now on bigsandwich.co and patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesPLEASE be aware timecodes may shift due to inserted ads.00:00 The Start03:19 The Silmarillion LOTR Movie09:12 New Godfather Spin-off Movie20:54 Avatar TLA Season 2 Trailer21:26 New DC Lanterns Trailer31:43 The Mandalorian vs Groglet Movie Review52:25 The Mandalorian vs Groglet Spoiler Segment01:04:50 The Boys Finale Full Spoiler Review01:29:20 What We Reading, Obsession Review01:35:25 Letters, It's Time For LettersSUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-moviesThe Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Welcome back everybody to another episode of the weekly planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows.
My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday with me as I was always my co-ist, Nick Mason.
That was big. That was big and strong.
It was big and strong.
That's not what I was going for.
You were going for either racetrack announcer or auctioneer, big and strong auctioneer.
Yes, that's right.
Okay, right.
Yeah, good.
I'm glad you got that.
Going once, going twice, going three times.
And we're done.
I'm big and strong.
We all agree I'm big and strong.
Absolutely.
Cool.
Strong intro. That's what we're all about here.
Big strong intro, nonsensical.
Yep.
Then we peter out of the span of up to two hours.
You know, this is big episode.
Big episode.
We're doing big movie.
Big movie.
With the Mandalorian versus Groglet.
Yes.
And then we're talking about the ending of the boys for now, which is coming back in a
breakwell series and also probably a sequel series.
Mm.
Do you think we're going to meet a Billy Butch's dad or whatever?
We already did.
Again, though, but he's young.
Young Billy Butch's dad.
And he's like, boy, I sure hope I don't hit my kids one day.
He did.
I'm trying to do the right thing.
I'm trying to not hit my kids.
I'm doing it.
Poor boy.
Yeah, oh boy.
So yeah.
He's big and strong and that's undeniable.
That is undeniable.
And he is British, I think.
Or fake British like Billy Butcher is?
Maybe.
Is Billy Butcher fake British?
I think he's real British.
Okay, cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because he seems fake British.
Because, you know, the actor is fake British, New Zealand,
which is, we call fake British in Australia.
Yeah.
Yeah, great.
Both are the main actors are fake British, but from New Zealand.
They're both from, they're both real.
New Zealand.
Wait, who's the other one?
Anthony Star.
Oh, I thought you're talking about Huey.
But yeah, you're right.
Anthony Star, fake British.
I forgot.
I forgot.
And I said, you're such a good actor.
They both are.
But also, we've got a few other things to talk up.
We've got to talk them up.
We're not here to shoot down anybody's, we're not here to yuck anybody's yum, as they say.
We're not going to yuck the idea of the Simerillian being adapted into a movie or movies.
We're not going to yuck that.
We love that.
We don't, no, we don't find it yum particularly.
Some other people might find it yum and we're not going to yuck on.
I'm not going to do that.
And we're also not going to yuck on the fact we're going to get another Godfather movie.
Some people find that yum.
And we're not going to yuck on that.
Yum, yum, yum.
And we're also going to talk about the new land.
Michael Corleone, yum, yum, yum.
That's right.
Big bowl of ragu, Michael Corleone or whatever.
Yum, yum, yum, yum.
Also.
Take the gun, leave the canolae, yum, yum.
Is it lanterns trailer?
You should keep the canollie as well.
You know why?
Why?
Yum.
Yeah, it's good.
They're normally good.
And lanterns trailer.
That's something I genuinely like.
I think that might be yum.
Yeah, there's time codes below if you do want to jump to anything in particular,
like the two reviews that we're doing.
But let's start here.
Yes.
Oh, well, big sandwich.com actually.
Yes.
And patreon.com slash Mr. Sunday movies.
There is a video that Sarabi edited, which is incredible about Spider-Man Life Story.
Oh.
We talk about, which is one of the best Spider-Man comic books that journeys him through his entire existence.
So nice.
We reviewed it twice, evidently.
But we forgot the first time and the second one is apparently better.
I have no memory at all.
That's crazy.
We should deliver it.
the first one. No, I think we should delete them both. We should combine them together. Combine
the wave force. I reckon they'll sink up. Almost perfectly. Same jokes. Same cadence. Less energy on
the new one. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, no, it's good. It's good. It's good. It's good off saying it. It's good.
Yeah, that sounds good. Thank you to Sarabi for that video. Absolutely. Let's start here, though.
Deadliner reporting that Peter Jackson, well, he said this to them. Peter Jackson. Terrible suits.
I know. I know what you think. That they're terrible. You don't know. I actually do know that for.
Matt Mason. Terrible quality of material, bad craftsmanship. Ill fit.
I don't think, well, I mean, that's because you've got a weird body.
I've got a normal body.
No, man.
You'd be the first to admit you don't have a normal body. You're just being defensive.
You're being defensive.
I am.
No, sorry, you're being offensive.
That's true.
Yeah.
Peter Jackson is in talks to direct more Tolkien works in the future, including the Silmarillion.
He told deadline.
Oh, he's a sir Peter Jackson.
Did you know that?
No, I didn't know.
I don't know.
Fake British.
He's revealed.
Or was he knighted by Tony Abbott?
What was he knighted?
Tony Abbott only knighted Prince Philip, didn't he?
Did he?
Yeah.
Can he do that?
Not anymore.
So when he was Prime Minister?
He gave himself the ability to knight people.
Then he knighted a man who's already in the British Royal family.
That's actually incredible.
Like he did it to him or he just announced it?
I think he just announced it.
I don't think Prince Philip was there.
I'm hoping it was Prince Philip and not one of the other princes.
So Prince Philip is the best Prince, is he?
I don't think so.
He might be though.
I think it's Prince Adam.
Yeah, he is the best prince.
So Peter Jackson revealed that him and his team are currently in discussions with the Tolkien estate
about the possibility of licensing additional rights to adapt more of J.R.R. Tolkien's work.
And as usual, they're bitching and moaning, he said.
Direct quote from him.
Wow, blah, blah, blah.
He said there's a combination of warners and us have been talking to the younger Tolkien members
about the possibility of actually licensing some of the rights to the other books.
and he referenced our Christopher Tolkien,
who's Tull, J.R.R. Tolkien's son,
oversaw the editing and the publication of such works
as the Simarillion and Unfinished Tales.
And there are a lot more Tolkien writings
that would actually make great movies.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, we're rapidly running dry though, aren't we?
Yeah.
You know, soon it'll be like notes he left on the fridge and stuff.
Absolutely, yeah.
J.R.R. Tolkien's get milk.
Wah, wah, what, you know.
What if Gollum got milk?
Yeah, all right.
What if he made fish milk?
Precious milk.
This is all good stuff.
This is all good stuff.
It's an epic journey down to the shops.
Gollum getting on the bus, you know.
Yeah.
You know.
I forgot my ticket.
Gollum boys.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He bought a concession ticket even maybe when he shouldn't have because he's 400 years old.
Shouldn't have done it.
He thinks he can get away because he's got a baby's head.
Seniors ticket though.
Yeah, good point.
Well, then he should have bought a senior's ticket.
All right.
I wouldn't want to be that ticket, Inspector.
No, absolutely not.
I think you just let it go, right?
Yeah, you would, yeah.
Yeah.
I how do you feel about that?
The guy's eating fishheads.
He doesn't have the correct ticket.
But he is eating a bunch of fish heads.
So I think I'll just, I'll just harass these students instead.
Yeah, it's way easier.
Yeah.
So, yeah, we're already getting the hunt for golem, which is an in-between quill.
Yep.
Slash sequel.
And Stephen Colbert is developing a, that's right.
Another thing about something or whatever.
Another damn thing.
What's that one about again?
I thought he was doing the Silmarillion.
No, the Simmerlian's different.
I haven't read it, but it's more of kind of a history of the world kind of thing.
Again, I don't know because I haven't read it and I'm no inclination.
It's mostly about Gollum eating fish heads on a bus.
Okay, I guess that could work as we've proven from this riff that we're doing.
That's right.
My precious fish heads, he says.
On this bus.
Yes.
Yeah.
So yeah, you feel in, you feeling it?
And also, Peter Jackson hasn't directed something in,
years because he lost his long-time producer
and it kind of...
Yeah, right.
Yeah, he kind of lost the kind of passion for it.
And he said he's only ever going to make 10 more
Lord of Rings movies. That's his...
Is that all?
His firm cap.
Yeah.
He's doing a Tarantino. He's like, only 10 more.
I did see...
This one's actually serious, so it doesn't count.
I did see, uh, recently he was,
it was a life battle.
I don't know when it was from. It seemed valetrably recent where, like a,
like a package delivery guy recognized and was like,
he made the Lord of the Rings. They were incredible.
That was so great.
done. He's like, thank you. And he's like, you should have made those Hobbit movies because they
were dog shit. And he's like, Peter Jackson was just like, yeah, what do you do? I probably
should have. That's right. Yeah, I don't know. Also, by the way, I used to work in the New Zealand
film industry and then he destroyed it and now I'm a package delivery guy. Which I love.
Someone destroyed the film industry. I don't know who that was. Do you know who it was Peter
Jackson? No, I don't. No. Wow. So there you go. Yeah, but also like he doesn't. He doesn't
just have to exclusively direct Lord of the Rings stuff.
No.
After Lord of the Rings, he also directed King Kong.
He did The Lovely Bones.
Like, he has done other things.
I think he shouldn't limit himself to being the Lord of the Rings guys forever.
Well, too bad.
He George Lucas himself.
He made the best trilogy ever made.
And now he stuck in it.
Now he stuck forever making worse and worse things.
It's going to have to sell it.
But he can't.
He doesn't even own it.
He's doomed.
It's also, it is confusing about who owns the rights because, like,
embrace a group or something.
something like that owns some of it and some of it's in video games.
Doesn't embrace a group own some of this podcast?
Yeah, they do, which is good.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
And also, we didn't even sell it to them.
They just got it.
He just got it.
We don't know how.
That's right.
Yeah, is Lord of the Rings or the Tolkien stuff, is that going to be public domain at some
point or is that, I wonder.
I mean, I guess.
But also, it's one of those things.
It'd been like 26.
Yeah, like the copyrights are different in different countries as well.
And it would also be like the film versions would be different because they're under
a different set of copyright rules and whatever.
Also, you can just call them halflings instead of hobbits and build the Dungeons and Dragons
Universe and nobody could stop your battle.
Yeah, and then nobody will see that movie.
Correct.
You're exactly right.
So there you go.
Wow.
Did somebody say Godfather spin-off movie?
I think you did early, but prior to that, I'd never heard of any such thing.
Sounds insane.
Everybody's talking about it.
You're trying to make this up.
Try to make it up and I'm not.
You're not making it up.
I need you to be clear.
Right now, you're not even.
making it up.
Random House spoke to the Associated Press.
Okay.
And they said they have acquired a new godfather novel,
authorized by the estate of Mario Puzzo.
I know,
Associated Press,
I know this is so random.
But that's what we do here at Random House.
It's true.
It's so random.
We got a new book.
Yeah.
So Mario Puzo,
of course,
wrote the original book.
And I think they,
did they make him come back
and write the third one?
I don't know.
I'm pretty,
this is just,
I have other stuff I want to talk about here.
But I'm pretty sure,
though,
like,
we're making this anyway.
Okay.
So you may as well write.
Like the Matrix sequel?
Yeah.
The only Mario Puzzo trivia factor I know is that he wrote the book and then he wrote the
screenplay for the movie of the first godfather.
And then he just sort of.
Didn't he work on Superman?
The movie is like.
Yeah.
But he sort of winged the script writing of the godfather because he didn't know what he was
doing.
And then after the huge success of that, he was like, I should probably get a book on
screenwriting and be like to.
learn how to do it kind of formally. And then he opened the first book he found and it was like,
just to use the format of the godfather. That was, that was perfect actually. So yeah, both
Buzzo and Coppola suffered significant personal and commercial financial setbacks in the 80s.
So because, why winery, it'll be fine. Exactly. Coppola did one from the heart.
Oh, yeah. Which didn't do well. And he tried to open that studio as well. And he did two from the
fart, which was an even less successful sequel. Yeah. So, yeah, then they, they did three from the
Blart, which reinvigorated the whole French.
The poor Blatt?
Yeah, that's right.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
So they did, at the very least did it for monetary reason.
Three farts from the blart?
Does that work?
He would do three farts, I feel.
Yeah.
And a lot more.
On his little scooter.
Yeah.
A little rascal in the opportunity, you do more.
So, uh, this is from bestselling author, Adriana Trigani.
She's done the shoemaker's wife.
The view from Lake Como.
She's done books that people do like and she is considered a good author.
So this, this part, I feel, isn't necessarily a bad.
thing.
Sure.
They, you know, they continued the James Bond novels for a bunch of years, and some of those
are even good.
Some of them are very readable.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The movie's called, the book is, sorry, there's no movie yet.
Yeah, come on, man.
There will be.
I'm going to talk about it.
The book is called Connie, and it's scheduled for fall of 2027, and we'll center on the
the Colerione, is it?
Yeah, Colerone.
Colerone family member.
From this, henceforth, on this podcast, we are calling them the Colerone family.
Doesn't matter how many.
sequels this gets, doesn't matter how much of
multimedia jug and all this becomes.
Henceforth forever, they're the Colerione family.
So she was originally played by Talia Shire,
who of course was also in the Rocky franchise.
She's also the sister of director
Francis Ford Coppola.
In three Godfather films.
So she is a daughter
of Marlon Brando's
godfather character, Mr. Godfather.
So what we're getting here is Girl Godfather.
God Girl Father? God Girl Father?
God Girl Father.
What are we talking about here?
I don't know, man.
Okay.
I've only ever seen the first golfing it.
Yeah.
Girl mob bossing it.
Hashtag girl mob bossing it.
But you'll love this.
Okay.
Is that because she's one of the few characters to live?
Maybe.
Does she lift her all three?
I think so.
Yeah.
And I guess they could bring back Talia Shire as well if they wanted to do like flash forwards
and flashbacks or whatever.
She's still working.
She was born in 46 and she is still alive.
So yeah, and she's a good actor.
And sounds like.
She's up, she's real, you know, she's hanging out for one.
Yeah, I mean, not that she would need the money, but, like, creatively, if she was interested.
But speaking of, Paramount Pictures, who we know is now owned by the David Allison brothers.
Hazzar!
Is also developing a new film tied to the project, extending one of Hollywood's most influential crime
sagas into a new era.
Francis Ford Coppola is unlikely to direct on this one.
Interesting.
It's interesting because also Paramount have become interested in making something of the Godfather series
beyond the three movies and the original book.
Do you remember they did the author mini-series from a few years ago?
I do remember that, yeah, which was about the making of.
Which was a fine show.
I watched the first episode.
I quite enjoyed it, but then I didn't finish it.
And it's subsequently been years, hasn't it?
Well, Mason, with the 57% on Rotten Tomatoes,
I think it's safe to assume that you don't know what you're talking about.
Also, we haven't talked about it, and I haven't watched it yet either.
But they did, have you seen the trailer for the show Bait?
MGM got Riz Ahmed.
It's a show about,
Riz Ahmed attempting to audition for James Bond.
Like the actual actor, Riz Ahmed.
I don't think, I don't know if it's the actual.
But he's playing a Riz Ahmed type actor.
Yeah, but that's interesting because it's, it's through Amazon who own MGM.
Yeah.
So they have the rights to talk about James Bond stuff.
Yeah.
So this was, we wondered what like they would do, like if they would sort of oversaturate
the world with James Bond stuff.
But this was, it's sort of a comedy about.
That feels more interesting.
interesting than just being like, what if there was another James Bond spy, but it's not James Bond.
And yet, I haven't watched it either. I haven't watched it either. And it's a movie? No, it's a TV series.
It's a TV show? It's a TV show. You mean a streaming service?
So, or movie? Yes. Great. So not a real TV show. Also, the Puzzo Estate and Paramount,
do you know they've had like decades-long legal disputes about the ownership of the Godfather?
Interesting. One of the, one of the more interesting ones.
No, same seems like you're firing up a joke here. Is this a, you've got a little twinkle-in-law.
You've got a little twinkle in your eye that says you're going to, this is a blue harvest situation.
I think some people could consider this a joke, but this is real.
The Puzzo Estate filed a suit against Paramount Pitches alleging it owed profits from the sales and rentals for the Godfather, the game, licensed by Paramount in 2006.
Wow.
Do you remember that?
They even got Marlon Brando back to voice some of it.
I remember there was a...
But they could only use some of it because it was like unusable.
And it's him as Jorel.
It's like you will go to their planet and be a fine godfather
Their yellow sun will give you great godfather powers
And it did
And it did James
I remember there was a side-scrolling shooter computer game
Called Godfather, shoot them up baby
You have a little look at that and you'll be like ooh
It's interesting looking
Didn't play very well
I bet it didn't
But again there's no there's no like
you know, intrigue or anything.
It's just you walking slowly down a street and shooting people.
It's any video game, right, from that era.
Looks pretty nice, though.
Is it a Godfather the Dom's edition on PlayStation 3?
I don't think so.
It's from the 90s.
M.S. Dos? Probably.
There's also the Godfather 2 video game.
There was a PSP Godfather game with Marlon Bradu on the cover.
Why? There's so many of these.
I love that you can take it.
It's not a movie franchise that's really about running and gunning, is it?
It's by US Gold. Of course it was.
And it was a sides-smalling shooting.
You come to me on the day of my daughter's wedding and you stand behind a chest high wall
and it regenerates your health.
This has got that kind of...
And then you emerge from cover and you do your special attack where you can slow down time
and target three enemies at once and execute them on the morning of my daughter's wedding.
This has got, I don't mind the graphical kind of stylings of this.
It's got like a parallaxy.
That's what I'm talking about.
But that's what I'm talking about.
This reminds me of, he's beaten up people.
This reminds me of it's kind of like that Indiana Jones fate of Atlantis kind of.
Yeah, yeah.
The one's got that kind of style.
Yeah, fate of Atlanta.
God, he's being godfathered all around.
Look at all these people trying to God.
That woman's dead with the prayer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It looks, because Fate of Atlantis had an action version and a point-and-click version
that too.
But what's it, I think is interesting about this game,
is it just uses the lower third of the screen.
Yeah, yeah.
There's any point where he...
At no point does he ever climb any stairs or go upstairs or anything?
I don't think he can jump.
No, I don't think so.
Anyway.
This is incredible, this game that is real, apparently.
Definitely real.
So Mario Puzzo also died in 1999.
So it's his estate and Paramount locked in this never-ending battle.
He saw the Matrix and his brain burst.
Did you know that?
I can check the date on this, actually.
Okay.
Please.
Let's see how that lines up.
he was like oh this is how you make a movie bang
July 2nd
I think that's post matrix
well obviously let me check
the matrix release date
Mario Puzzo 31st of March
wow it got him
yeah he had a couple of months to ruminate on it
and then bang
yeah it was in a computer bang
yeah exactly
where does Vita Corleodon in a computer bang
he was in MSDOS
that's true that's what I'm saying
So, okay, here's a question.
This is probably going to interweave in the Godfather universe,
the three existing movies and beyond or before.
Are we doing AI Marlon Brando?
Yes.
Or are we doing de-aged, make-uped Robert De Niro,
play Marlon Brando?
Or are we doing a recast?
I think.
What's the worst thing it could be?
The worst thing is the AI Marlon Brando thing.
Have they already done AI Marlon Brando?
Yeah, for Jorrell.
Of course, yeah.
That's right.
And probably something.
something else. I think that. I mean, the question I think becomes like who wants the work the most.
And if it's Marlon Brando's estate, who just want to sign something and then get a check.
They're like, we love the legacy of whatever his name was. And we want this.
Arlen Brando? Sure. We love that guy. We loved our grandfather slash uncle.
Yeah. Slash distant uncle, grand uncle, great uncle, second twice removed.
This is fascinating. You come to me on the morning of my daughter's wedding and you eat a power pill that makes you invulnerable.
to the ghosts.
You can do this for any.
You can do this for any video game.
Any video game, yeah.
From modern to vintage.
You come with me.
You come with me.
The day of my daughter's wedding.
And then a bunch of blocks fall out.
It's Tetris.
It's Tetris.
It's just Tetris.
Nice.
Nice.
You come to me in the morning of my daughter's wedding
and you do a hundred hit combo on me.
It's killer instinct.
It's probably killer.
It's probably killer.
You do a hundred hit combo on me with full go.
That's cheating.
You can't do that.
Especially not on the day of my daughter's wedding.
They nerfed my mane.
It was the jade, I think, at A-Boy's, I don't know.
Incredible.
Any game it works.
Try it in your daily life this week.
Please.
Nobody will understand it.
Absolutely not.
Yeah.
But then you can show them this clip.
It's a good way to share.
If you see Robert De Niro on the street, do it to him.
Yeah.
You know?
He would love it.
and know what you're talking about.
Or Pacino, it doesn't matter.
They could get Billy Zane.
Billy Zane played Brando recently in a movie,
and he looked exactly like it.
That's true.
And he was in the boys?
And the Phantom.
No, he wasn't.
Was he?
Billy Zane was in the boys?
Yeah, he's like a piece.
As himself?
Yeah.
Damn.
I love the Billy Zane did that.
Me too.
He was, yeah, he was recently,
he was recently one of the series finale,
Red Carpins and he's like,
it's me, Billy Zane.
Thanks for having his part of the boys.
Great.
I'm Billy Zane.
I look good with hair.
I'm surprised also. I look great with bald.
I'm Billy Zane.
I should have been Lex Luthor in the 90s.
It's too late now.
Yeah.
Trailers are high.
Hong, tingling.
Tingling, yep.
I know if you saw there was an Avatar, the last air bend, a live action trailer.
I was aware of it.
Have you seen the show?
Yes.
No.
Some of it?
Yeah, we talked about it.
The show?
Yeah.
The animated show.
Oh, then no.
Okay.
It's that.
Didn't we watch the live action show?
Okay.
Do you want to watch this next one?
No.
I'm not particularly interested.
Interesting.
They've also filmed two and three back-to-back to back,
because the Avatar boy is a man.
Nice.
He's grown up very much so.
Manvatar?
Manvatar.
So that's good, isn't it?
But anyway, I don't need to talk about that,
but I do want to talk about the lanterns trailer too.
Pia pia piao!
This one hopefully doesn't get cut down like the last one or whatever happened.
This one's freaking green.
It's green.
So yeah.
James Gum also responded to a comment where somebody said,
this should have been a movie.
You said, you want to sit through an eight-hour movie?
Ha, ha, ha.
Sometimes I do, yes.
If it's a good movie.
Sometimes I want to.
I'll sit through four episodes of a TV show
that have been smushed together into a movie.
I also want that.
Yeah.
Do you have an example of that?
No, not currently.
Well, if something comes up later, maybe.
Okay, I'll mention it, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Because often you'll say something,
it relates to something else that we're doing,
but this is not related.
Not related.
Sometimes I want a movie that's movie length,
like two and a bit of hours,
but it feels very much like four episodes
smushed together.
Yeah, interesting.
Like you can really feel like where the episode breaks would be.
Yeah, you can tell, right.
Which is weird because...
There's weird pauses and, like,
some of the dialogue repeats.
Yeah,
it's almost like second screen viewing.
Yeah,
like one character will say something
about his life.
Yeah.
It's like you said that 15 minutes ago.
Yeah, exactly.
And then the same scene will happen again
and you'll mention what happened
and he'll be.
And like who he is.
Yeah, yeah.
And that people are cheering for him now.
Yeah.
Which he likes.
He likes that.
Because his father, for example.
Yeah.
Was kind of a,
not the godfather,
but kind of that kind of figure.
And it's weird because I like this
even though,
structurally speaking,
if this was made as a movie,
it wouldn't be like this.
But I like it.
You like it.
It's good, I think.
In a way, it makes me feel like
the directives and the creators of it
don't know how to make anything
that is an episodic television.
But this is not...
It's unrelated to anything we're going to talk about later.
What were we talking about?
Lanterns.
Oh, lanterns!
So, yeah, just quickly, also,
Jeff Snyder's also reported that Christopher Cantwell
is on board for season two.
I hope he can't well, also.
Nice.
He's coming on board to writers,
for lanterns, which will recommeen
despite the lack of official renewal. TV net
where it's often want to sign scripts ready, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Depending Paramount Merger, notwithstanding.
Which basically means they are already gearing up for season two
because they believe this will be successful.
Okay, great.
And looking at this trailer, it looks incredible.
I mean, I liked the last trailer.
Me too.
I had no problem with it.
I like this one too.
Because it's like, you don't see everything.
And people are like, where's his green lantern?
So he'll probably do it in the show.
This is the first teaser track.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Look, if we got to the show and he didn't do it, I would say, you're right.
That's right.
He didn't do it.
He didn't do his Green Lantern, you know?
But it looks like he's doing his Green Lantern.
We get flashbacks to a young Hal Jordan.
We get John Stewart watching him on the TV.
We get a younger Kyle Chandler.
Doesn't wear the mask, but maybe they added in post.
Like maybe when we watch the actual show, he'll be wearing the mask.
Because there's a scene set 10 years prior.
Then it's this dual narrative, apparently.
Yeah.
And Hal Jordan is publicly Green Lantern and he's,
He's doing some sort of press conference, it seems, or an interview or some sort.
I wonder if he's publicly the stunt test pilot guy or whatever, though.
Oh, maybe.
Because he also, he could be known for that.
Yeah, it's true.
Is he a known, does he even have a secret identity?
He still wears the mask.
I don't know where he's out at at the moment.
No, neither do I.
And sometimes he's evil because Sinestro or Parallax takes over his brain or whatever.
Correct.
It's the second one.
Do you think this is maybe what's happening here?
I hope not.
I hope we don't bring any of that into this.
I don't like any of that, really.
There is a Sinestro, though.
Yeah.
Yes, that's right.
And this is not really seen in this trailer, or if it is, it's the back of him and whatever.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Again, this is this murder mystery small town set in 2016 and in 2026.
He's supposed to be passing on the green lantern ring to the next generation.
For whatever reason?
Why would he be doing that?
But he's reluctant to.
Yeah.
Maybe because he didn't wash the suit and he's like, I don't want to hear on this over.
This is gross.
Maybe the, it's embarrassing.
Maybe the guardians did a sleep apnea test on him and he's got sleep apnea.
Oh, okay.
And they're like, you can either go to sleep with the machine on.
Yep.
Or you can quit.
Okay, cool.
Because we don't want, you not rested.
No, man.
Wilding the most deadly weapon in the universe.
You'd be tired and therefore a coward.
Exactly.
That's right.
That's right.
So is the ring, I know it's changed.
Yes.
But is it actually still willpower?
Yes.
Like, what is it, is that essentially the, because it's not even necessarily that you have to be fearless, right?
Yes.
It's you have to be strong of will.
So what it used to be is that.
So how it works is...
How it works is.
That's exactly right.
You exert your willpower on it and it can create anything you can imagine.
But back in the olden days, the green lantern ring had to have a weakness.
And it used to be the...
Hal Jordan's ring and all the other lanterns of that era,
it was vulnerable to the colour yellow.
So it couldn't affect anything with the colour yellow.
But of course, he could just also use the ring to pick up a big stick and beat somebody to death.
Yeah.
Even if they were wearing a yellow jumps suit.
Like he could mostly get around it with picking up a big stick and beating someone to death.
Yeah.
But then later they went, what they did is when Hal Jordan's ring went to Kyle Rainer, the weakness was removed.
So he didn't, it wasn't there.
And then when the Green Lantern, all the other Green Lanterns were depowered.
And then when they came back, I guess the writers were like, yeah, it is kind of annoying having a yellow weakness.
So if you overcome great fear, the yellow weakness doesn't work again.
Because also it doesn't really make sense.
Because I also, not none of it makes sense.
Yeah, because they also tied the, Hal Jordan went mad when his city, Coast City was destroyed during the death and return of Superman.
Yeah.
And so he went to the Oa Central Power Battery, which is where all the Green Lanterns get their Green Lantern power, where it's channeled into the lanterns.
And then he absorbed it all and became this.
Even though it was Kyle, was it Carl, was it Carl, was it was Carl, it was Hal Jordan.
And that was after.
Hal Jordan becomes this sort of godlike being called Parallax because he wants to bring his city back.
But not the Parallax?
Because they're real parallax.
Yeah, because they added that later.
So basically, he's a guy called Parallax.
And then the last Guardian takes his old power ring and he gives it to Kyle Rainer as the last Green Lantern.
But then they wanted to bring Hal Jordan back.
And so they didn't want him to be like, well, he just went evil.
So they decided that how he went evil is that an alien space bug called Parallax invaded his brain.
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
And that is the reason.
and they also went, that is the reason why
Green Lantern's are vulnerable
because Parallax is yellow and something, something.
It's too, this is why it's too complicated.
I don't want any of that in this.
They might do a little bit of it.
They'll mention Parallax or something like that.
But basically, I think Parallax is going to have someone to do it.
I think he's going to have taken over someone or something.
Because they sort of under, what I didn't like about that is they sort of undercut
the character.
That he just went insane.
That he just went insane for, you know, justifiable reasons, I think.
They were just like, no, it's not his fault because we want to use him again.
So he rebuilt his own city and just,
had everybody walking around?
No, he brought him back as ghosts once, I think.
He couldn't actually do it.
No, no, it was constructs or whatever.
Yeah, something like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or fear or love or hate.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, in this trailer, we got a lot of green stuff, which is pretty good.
We see the suit more?
Yeah, we do.
So it's a physical suit too.
Seems that way, yeah.
Yeah, which it sometimes is.
Sometimes it is.
But sometimes they can just make regular clothes with the green lantern ring.
And they're not green.
Isn't it also that you can, yeah, because you can imagine the textures and whatever of something
and make it.
Sure.
Yeah.
If you willpower hard enough.
And you overcome your great fear of synthetic fabrics.
Yeah.
Because they're clingy and they.
I could never.
No, I can never do that.
I'll need a cotton blend, mate.
Exactly.
Yeah.
We see Hal Jordan making some.
I'd make an Udi.
Yeah, of course you would.
We see Hal Jordan making some counterfeit money to gamble with.
I mean, a great moment in this is he's in a bar.
Looks like it's not opening time yet, so he's alone in there.
and a guy just comes in with the machine gun
and he's just casually
puts the green bubble up.
I thought that was fine.
Yeah, absolutely.
Does that,
do you think that's an automatic ring thing as well?
I think he's just good at it.
He's just good at it, yeah.
I guess he's been shot out a lot.
Yeah.
But you do see like the younger,
more idealistic version of him
and then the older,
grizzlier version,
because he's probably seen a lot of murders or whatever.
For sure.
Or done that city thing that happened.
Probably not, though.
What do we see?
In the trailer, we see him...
We see Guy Gardner.
We do see Guy Gardner.
We do see Hal Jordan and local law enforcement
come up a...
against like a guy, like the front gates of some sort of well-to-do, maybe businessmen's,
the estate, and the gates have a, I think it's an M or something.
Yeah.
But I'm like, I wonder who that is.
Do you know, James?
Do you see anybody?
No, you just see his, like, you just see his.
Well, we know Sinestro is in it.
Yeah.
But that's the extent of it.
Yeah.
I don't know, man.
I don't know, man.
This is out of August.
Maybe it's, maybe the M is Mr. Sinestro.
Mr. Sanestro.
That's highly unusual.
We see what looks like John Stewart's life prior to being Greenland.
I think he's in the Marines.
Yep.
Makes sense.
That makes sense.
He's not a test pilot, is he?
No.
He's not a pilot.
No, in the original comics, he was an architect.
And then in the DC animated universe, he was a Marine.
And in the modern comics, he was a Marine.
And then he got like an armed forces grant to become an architect.
Oh, very nice.
Everything worked out well for him, didn't it?
The blending of worlds.
I like how the different.
Different green lans bring different things to the constructs.
Green bubbles, for example.
Green bubbles, for example, like a big hammer, a fist.
Sure.
And so on.
Yeah.
Depending how stupid they are.
Sure.
Is this the stupid a thing that they make?
A big race car on a racetrack.
That's a good thing.
That's a good thing.
Yes, I agree with you.
Anyway, I'm excited for this.
I am excited for this too, yeah.
It's going to be good.
We're calling it now.
I think the key of this is going to be how well the two personalities work and clash.
Absolutely.
That's going to be the fun of the series.
But I like those two actors as well.
No.
But also I do hope there's, you know, I, again, you know, the downfall of this series is probably
going to be if they don't, if there's not enough green lanterning.
Yeah.
You know, if it's just like he just uses the ring as a flashlight to investigate a regular
murder scene.
That would be very interesting.
It would be very interesting, though, because it would be green.
Yeah.
Or yellow.
Or whatever color he wants to make.
Yeah, whatever kind of fabric.
Yeah, sure.
That's right.
All right.
Should we review, Mason, just give me a second.
Okay, settle down.
Should we review big movie?
We should review.
big movie.
Bum,
bupah,
bum,
but,
but,
but a
big movie.
Big movie.
Hulu.
Et cetera.
And so on,
yeah.
We're of course
talking about
the Mandalorian
versus Groglet,
which is the latest
and greatest.
It's the greatest
movie.
Star Wars movie.
Yeah.
Coming hot off the heels
of the last one
seven years ago
in 2019.
Damn.
Can you believe it?
I cannot believe it.
On a budget
of 165 million dollars,
which is not bad.
It's all right.
It's not bad.
It's not bad.
It's not my money.
It's not my money.
Well, the first season cost $100 million.
Okay.
Season two, for some reason, apparently cost $290 million.
And then season three, again, cost $120 million.
I'm assuming, is that depending on how...
Probably for the elaborate plots.
Sure.
That's probably...
Probably had to spend extra money on elaborate plots.
Yeah.
From the Disney Star Wars plot machine.
You're going to keep putting in coins until the plot comes out.
And it goes...
Plop.
Just go and look for a thing or a guy.
Yeah, that's right.
And then he'll tell you to look for another thing.
thing or another guy.
And you're not going to want to shoot anybody, but you're going to have to shoot everybody.
Now, in terms of box office, it's not looking great.
It looks maybe like it's...
It is looking great.
Yeah, but it's going to be $80 million US debut and $80 million then for the rest of the
world.
But bearing in mind, even though that's looking lower than solo, there could be higher from
war cups.
Lower than solo.
Yeah.
Imagine such a phrase.
But also solo costs like $250 million.
That's true.
They filmed it twice.
But...
Must be nice.
As people have talked about,
this is also the most family-friendly Star Wars film.
Yeah.
Which means you can just walk up with your kids and see this and be like...
It's something of a caravan of courage.
Exactly.
This will be fine.
You can take your kids.
It's relatively inoffensive.
You don't really need to know anything else.
That's true.
And it's cowboy hat Star Wars.
It is cowboy hat Star Wars at some...
At one point, literally.
Yeah.
At one point very literally.
What do you think the story was?
All right, man.
come on, settle down.
This is a complicated plot
that I've got to get my head around.
So it's five years after the events
of Return of the Jedi.
But now it might be eight?
Wow.
I don't know.
Stepping out of their comfort zone.
Definitely.
Mando, he's working for the New Republic.
And he's going to get...
And he, does he like that?
And they set it up at the end of the last season
that he was going to do that, right?
And he did do it?
Yeah.
Seems to like it a bit.
Yeah.
He likes running around.
But he doesn't just work for anybody, does he?
Or whatever he said.
He was Sigoni River.
Sigoni Weaver.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pretty cool.
Pretty cool.
She was an aliens.
She was an aliens.
Yeah.
And intimately in other alien projects.
That's what Avatar.
Yeah.
Avatar.
And he's, his job is to track down and detain all the, uh, the imperial, all the
guys.
All the imperial guys.
And you might be like, oh, the famous ones from the movies or whatever that we've
introduced maybe in subsequent medias and et cetera.
I don't know.
Maybe they're in a comic book.
Yeah.
They're mostly random guys, I think.
Peter Cushing, not there.
No.
No.
Not yet.
Very.
I mean, Peter Cushing is very dead.
Yeah, but they could bring him back.
Yeah, but is the character dead?
Yeah, but they could bring him back.
They could bring him back, couldn't I?
He was a hologram or whatever.
Yeah.
Or a droid that can do a hologram.
You've got to detain this hologram.
One of those enormous, you know, one of the...
Snoke-sized holograms?
You know, the big boxes?
Oh, the one that they trapped Stan Lee Solil in one.
Yeah, they trapped Billy Eilish in one earlier as well, I think.
You're not allowed to do that.
She's a real person.
She's not even dead.
Don't put her in one of those.
I think it was Billy Eilish.
Leave her alone.
Yeah.
Yeah, seems like something James Cameron would do.
He would.
That's probably why she's a hologram now.
That would be it.
That's the reason.
Yeah.
But anyway, big action sequence.
Yep.
But then they're like going another mission for us, Mando.
Yeah, you've got one guy.
What if you've got a different guy?
If you've got a different guy?
Well, maybe I will get a different guy.
But bear in mind, you've got to go to meet a guy to get a guy.
Mando, we need you to go meet a guy to get a guy.
He'll tell you where to get another guy.
Yeah.
And you're going to go to a bunch of locations.
And you might be like, I don't have a big enough ship to get one of the guys who's a really big jab of the hut guy.
Well, luckily here's your ship from the original series.
We got it back for you.
It's different, though.
Yeah.
But it's named the same.
Elon Musk purchased it, and we bought it back from him.
So it's fine.
It did an explosion on itself.
I learned recently that Elon Musk purchased the Lotus Esprit from the Spy Who Love Me, the one that can turn into a submarine.
That's the best one.
And he was like, I'm going to turn this to a real submarine.
This was in 2016.
Did he?
No. No, he didn't.
So you're telling me that Elon Musk decided to do something, but then didn't do it.
He didn't do it.
That's unlike him.
It's weird.
Because we know he's in his garage tinkering away.
He's one of the greatest rhymes.
Yeah.
You know, he's talking to his robot claw arms and whatever.
And I go, hi, Leon Musk.
That's right.
Whatever.
Yeah, exactly.
It's good.
He hasn't done it.
He's probably...
Listening to punk rock and tinkering and he hasn't made his underwater car yet.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
It's probably been busy.
He's probably been busy
With all this stuff that he does
Yeah, well, all the cool stuff that he does
Yeah
Anyway, Mando's like, I will do that
I am gonna go to various locations
Yep
Some new, some old
Mm-hmm
Some urban
Some jungle
Yeah
And I'm gonna talk to guys
And I'm gonna talk to guys and shoot some guys
And walk around
Yep
And guess what, I'm not alone
Groglett's here too
What's Groglett doing there?
He's just around
They're a team, aren't they?
They are a team
They are a fun little team
Fun little team
And he's mostly a puppet
I think for a lot of this
Which I enjoy, yeah
And Pedro
Pascal is back for one scene.
Yes.
And you might be like, well, doesn't he just play The Mandalorian and all the other scenes?
No, he doesn't.
There's two other guys.
It's Brendan Wayne, relation of John Wayne, of course.
Is he really?
That is true.
And Lateef Crowder.
Do you think when they do Westworld, New Westworld, they get Brendan Wayne, body of AI replacement
John Wayne, they put John Wayne's face on him?
That's interesting.
Because you mentioned that.
We talked about that a few weeks ago, I think, about how they're doing New Westworld.
And you mentioned, of course, your guess is, and I think you're probably correct,
they're doing a very simplified version
where it's just Jurassic Park again,
but with robots,
you're right,
it will be,
I think he's famous enough
to be like,
people won't be like,
that's Brendan Wayne.
No,
but it'll be John Wayne.
They'll put the face on him.
Oh,
they'll do the face on it.
Oh, I didn't realize what you were saying.
No,
no, we'll do a face.
So I was just confirming
that he is also the grandson of John Wayne.
There you go.
So, you know, he's got this pre-send of here.
And there's another guy as well,
a third guy.
Yes.
They also, to be fair,
they get first second and third billing
in the credits.
Yeah, Lateef Crowder.
And I think that's absolutely fair enough.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, um, this is, so, so, like, if you've been following the mainline Disney Plus stuff,
you don't have to.
You don't have to.
This is very much in line with that in terms of tone.
Yep.
And like characters that you might see.
I would say also first season of Mandalorian.
Yes.
There's minimal world building and minimal, uh, law, I think, in a good way.
Minimal giant bad guy that's going to have consequences down the line because Thrawn or whatever.
There's nothing.
of that.
No.
But there's maximum big monster.
Yeah,
that's true.
Significant maximum big monster.
Big white snake.
Big white snake.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it is that Dave Faloni Star Wars again.
This is directed by John Fabro.
Here's a quote from John Fabro.
He's a character by John Fabro.
Yes.
From Games Radar and he said, I'm not, and they asked him like, why have you made
Mandela?
Why have you done this?
Why have you done this?
And he said, I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure what exactly why we were asked to do this.
I suspect it.
They turn the hot lamps on him.
Why'd you do this?
I suspect it's because these are characters
that people, even who haven't seen Star Wars,
may be aware of especially Grogu.
Oh, are we?
Baby Yoda was everywhere.
Also, you're not allowed to actually call him Baby Yoda.
He's allowed to, I guess, because he's the director
and he invented partially...
But I bet he got a talking to afterwards.
I bet some handler went, Mr. Farrow,
remember they said, don't see baby.
You're under arrest.
Yeah, that's right.
You're at Disney Jail.
Yeah.
And these are two characters that were used to launch Disney Plus,
But it was also an inroad for people who may not have ever watched Star Wars on television.
And here we are now, seven years after the last film, I think there's an opportunity to present Star Wars to a new audience using these characters as well.
I also went with somebody who...
Your child.
Yeah, my child, I went to the IMAX screening one of his friends.
And their parents came along and his mom got a crash course.
Geez, how many fruit tickets you get, mate?
They got their own fruit tickets.
Oh, right.
Okay.
And she was like, I got a crash course in this from my son.
Oh, yeah, in the car right now.
No, my husband made me watch a bunch of episodes and everything you're laid up and I go, I hate to like, break it to you.
You didn't need any of that.
You didn't need to do any of that.
No, no.
They're going to tell you everything you need to know.
Yeah, you've accidentally stepped into their special interest and they're going to be telling you about it every day at breakfast.
That's right.
Yeah, no, I think you're right.
This is a good stepping stone.
This, I mean, this is forward thinking by Disney Star Wars, Lucasfilm, etc.
Who is everybody is going to own them in the future.
Because I think this is a good entry point for kids.
Yes.
Because it's simple and it's, you know, a good, it's a good movie about family and teamwork and don't leave your friends behind.
Don't leave behind.
Bearing your mind also, I don't know what you think of it.
I think it's whatever.
Okay.
I think there are some fun moments in it and it's fun overall.
I think it is a problem for Star Wars like overall.
I think there is people know this.
Why is this?
Well, I'll get into it.
No, if you could.
But my son and his friend, they loved it.
They thought it was incredible.
And so it's four people like that.
Yeah.
This is fun.
He's running around, isn't he?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And yes, he is running around.
He is running around.
Yeah.
Sometimes he's staggering.
Sometimes he's jetpacking.
Yeah.
It does also feel like, like you mentioned, like a shortened season, which it probably was initially
going to be.
Now, I checked the runtime for this in relation to the show.
Uh-huh.
Because a lot of those episodes are like 22 minutes and then credits.
So season one with no credits of the Mandalorian is four hours and 38 minutes.
So it is kind of like half a season of the Mandalorian in one.
And it definitely feels like that because it is this thing of like any,
everything established in this is so self-contained and they keep repeating the same story points.
Yeah.
There's a moment, like a big character in this is played by Jerry Allen White.
From the Bear.
It's Jabber the Hut's son.
Yes.
And he's big and muscular.
And he's constantly telling everybody that he's Jabber the Hut's son.
Not even everybody.
The same people.
Yes, that he's trying to get out of the shadow of his dad who was Jab of the Heart.
He has a big speech about how when he started fighting in,
because he's like a pit fighter, he's like an MMA guy.
And when he started, when he first fought in the pits, everybody booed him and then he won
and now everybody's cheering him.
And then the exact same speech happens like 20 minutes later in the next episode.
And you're like, is there any point where this character is going to develop beyond that?
No.
And I think that's the problem with all the characters in this,
because I don't believe that they even develop the Mandalorian or Groglitz.
Like at all.
The characters they are at the start of this are the same at the end.
And I think that is also because the next time we see these characters,
that will also be a soft launching point.
But I think what you've forgotten is that these characters stay static,
but the characters around them evolve.
For example, Dave Filoni was a man who was afraid to get into an X-wing.
Was he?
Yeah, he was just afraid.
Because he didn't want to take up his cowboy hat.
He was just in the cafeteria in his cowboy hat,
and then later we see him in an X-wing.
He was inspired by Mando-Lorean.
I know to most people that like seeing Dave Filoni in something is like, yeah, wouldn't even know who he is.
But I found that so jarring.
Maybe just because I know who he is and I know the hand that he's had in this and Star Wars in particular.
But you never just saw George Lucas being, hi, I'm in Star Wars.
He is in Star Wars.
He's in episode three briefly in the background with a bunch of blue makeup on.
But like it feels when you cut to somebody like that, even if you don't know him, I feel like you go, why that guy?
What's that?
That being said,
John Favreau is just in all his movies.
Yeah.
Like he's in Iron Man one from most of the movies.
He is an actor though.
He's not just standing there in a fucking cowboy hat.
He was sitting there in a cowboy hat.
In the cafeteria because he was afraid of flying.
But also it is things of like,
we've seen this before,
we see X wings have to fly into blabber thing.
Like there's a Jab of the Hut pit
where a pit opens up and there's a monster in there.
Multiple monsters.
Even like seeing a muscular jab of the hut,
there already was a hut.
that was. He was called Gracchus the heart. He's from the comic books.
There is literally nothing in here that...
I think you know too much about Star Wars.
That's probably true. Also, there's a moment where they have to do a Dejarrick, which is
Star Wars chess, but it's for real. Like the lack of fresh ideas and the recycling and what
this sets up, nothing, is what does worry me for the future. I think this in its own, it's
very in offensive and light and even fun in moments. I think this is meant to be like a
soft reset, though.
I think the idea
This is like
No I know
I know I know I think
Well not for seven years
I think they're doing that
Like they're doing with
The Force Awakens
I think they're like
Okay this is time for a soft reboot
For young kids
I think I enjoy it
I think this interesting
I think I enjoyed this more than you did
No again
I think the movie in itself
Is fine
And I think there are even fun moments
And like Groglit gets his own little sequence
He does yeah
He gets his moment where
Similar to the Last of Us
Where the Mandalorian is out of commission
For whatever reason
and has to survive by himself.
Yes.
So, like, yeah, again, I've seen this.
I've seen versions of this a thousand times, you know?
Because you saw this in theatres a thousand times.
I don't know how you squeezed it in.
Things that I like about this movie,
we got a great stop motion effect on stuff that clearly is not stop motion.
No, it is stop motion.
It is stop motion.
So there's a moment where the Mandalorian has to fight a bunch of robots.
Yes.
And then he fights two big robots.
Yes.
And they look stop motiony.
But I think everything in this movie, like, there's a moment at the start we see like an ATS-T Snowwalker.
You think some of that is?
I don't know if it is, but it looked.
What I liked about it is it had that janky effect.
Like they've clearly worked hard on, let's make this look more like old-school Star Wars.
That one, a lot of the monsters looked, I think, stop motion.
Yeah, or puppetry, I guess.
Or puppetry or something.
But yeah, I like the fact that, yeah, all the monsters in the arena battle looked very stop-motion.
Well, they're stop-motiony because, again, they were stop-motion in the original.
Yes.
And my son was really excited because he.
go, there was a moment where they go,
or we're going to make Gracchus the hut do a de Jarek.
Yes.
And he's like, what's that?
And I'm like, do you remember the chessboard?
I'm just talking to him in the theater.
He talks to his friend the whole way through this bar,
which I have no problem with.
And he was like, oh, that's awesome.
The fact that we get to see all those creatures in live action.
So again, for a kid, this is all great and a soft reboot.
But so the stop motion bit was done by Phil Tippett,
who did the original stop motion for Star Wars,
including the chest scene.
I think all the big stuff was stop motion.
I don't know if it is.
It says he provided, you might be right.
I don't know how much of it.
But did you like all the monster move?
Yeah, I did.
I thought, and that being in particular,
and I'm like, oh, this looks like Kane from Robocop too.
Yes.
And Phil Tippett did that.
That's true.
So that makes sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So is the stuff that is confirmed to be stop motion,
is it just, is it stop motion for real?
Or did he, is it partially stop motion?
And I imagine it's partially stop motion and then they added some visual effects on the top or whatever.
Probably.
There is a moment where the mandolorean jumps on the back of it.
And they did a similar thing in Robocop 2 where he jumps on the back of that.
And I'm like watching it.
I'm like, I wonder if they did a little Mandalorian stop motion part there.
And I think that's it's just, it's such a distinct look.
Yeah.
And I just think it was, that was really not.
I agree.
And even like, because they, the, all the huts.
Because there's two evil huts in this world as well.
There's two evil java.
They're from Book of Boba Fed, I think.
It's the most, some significant portion of the movie, I'm like, are they conjoined, but they're not?
No.
They're just lying together.
They're just all lumped together.
So it just says, parpetry stop motion courtesy of Phil Tippett.
That's all we got.
So they'll talk.
I know that sequence are a factor, but again, you're probably right about the other stuff.
But the hot souffle that they live in, when it starts to fall apart, like this skinkiness of that.
It's all gummy.
It's like a grilled cheese.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I liked all of that.
But then there's things like, again, the way that they're repeating the dialogue.
Yeah, no, that's no good.
It feels like they're getting ready for this to go to Disney Plus.
Yes, break it up.
Yeah, and break it up.
Or it's just second screen viewing where it's on.
And you can follow it, not really watching it because they'll just keep repeating the points to you.
Other thing that I liked, Ludwig Garanson's score.
Even my son pointed out of it.
I love the music in this.
There's very distinct worlds in this.
There's like a Blade Runner-esque kind of world.
And the score of that was really cool.
And I think that perhaps this has maybe been a bit divisive online as well
because it isn't just sweeping Star Wars orchestral score or jizz.
Yeah.
It's new.
Yes.
Did he do the score for sinners?
He did.
I think he did, yeah.
He, one of the best things Star Wars ever did was put this guy in movies.
Yes, for sure.
I think he's incredible.
It just alabates this movie so much.
I also think for things I like, this looks better than a season of the Mandalorian.
And I did see it in IMAX.
A lot of this was film for IMAX.
It's clearly not just shot in front of the volume or any volume that they do use in this.
And I don't even know if they do.
It's well done.
Yeah, there's some great shots in it.
There's a moment where, oh wait, here's.
No, wait, there is only one scene where he doesn't have his helmet.
But there, where the huts drop him into this watery pit.
and then we see a shot of him from above.
And I'm like, it looks like a Renaissance painting.
Yeah.
Like that's good.
It looks like a real pit.
You know what I liked about this is that to me it felt like, yeah, like you said,
it does feel like the Mandalorian quite a lot like the TV show.
But for me, it felt like the lightweight version before it was buried in law.
That's what I like.
Season one, some of season two, and then it got kind of really.
They interwoven it into other.
Yeah, with Book of Boba Fed and they added Luke Skywalker and blah, blah, blah,
and then Luke Skywalker took him, but then he, then they reunited after.
But that was in BobaFed.
And then season three started and they were back together with no explanation.
This felt, I like that this felt like just the kind of the 1970s, 1980s TV show,
Adventure of the Week kind of thing.
Yeah.
But I think also for why are we, and again, it's a soft reboot thing, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Like, why are we doing this?
And we know what?
And they also have enough money to pump one of these out and then start with the world building and the law and the more original ideas later on.
But they're just like throw this out, see what people come on.
But the idea that they're soft rebooting a Star Wars TV show from like five years ago or whatever.
This is insane to me.
Oh, but I think this is like soft reboot of the entire years.
Oh, no, that is true also.
But also there is that thing of like, well, on the horizon of this is the sequel movies.
And I think what they're probably going to do is take groglet at some point and set something.
after the sequel movies and they're going to carry on from it there.
It's going to jump that because we know where this is heading.
They're like, well, we've got to establish the new republicas whatever and we need
Sigoddy, wherever we need to.
There's all these imperial outposts totally irrelevant to what is coming.
And also like we know that prequels can be good and or for example.
Correct.
It's a classic example of that.
But I don't think anybody who's working on Star Wars at the moment can do that.
No.
Yeah.
So yeah.
Also Pedro Pascal, there is a moment in it where they're just like, we've got to get his helmet
off for 10 minutes, man.
Yeah.
We got to figure that out.
And they do.
Yeah.
And because he's not in it.
No.
Correct.
He's only in that pit that one time.
Yeah, he's wet.
That one time.
So, yeah, but again, I just, it felt stale.
But I would even, I would say as a rating before we do spoilers, I would say a best
movie ever as a self-contained idea that's light and fun and your kids will like it.
And you don't need to know anything about Star Wars.
But also, if you know things about Star Wars, you might be like, I
recognize something. That's right. Dave Fallone. I recognize it. There he is. I'm going to say best
movie ever all. So, you know, I think I was going in expecting just to be law dumped. And I was
like, oh, this is going to be homework. But two bits of homework this week. Yep. And I was,
I think I was pleasantly surprised. Again, it wasn't, it wasn't. It's better than the rise of
Skywalker as a movie. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. With like without question. Yeah. Yeah.
and probably the Force Awakens.
It is too much like four episodes of a TV show.
Yep.
They could have fixed that.
Yeah.
Do you want to talk spoilers?
Is there anything to spoil, really?
Yeah, a little bit.
I like the little, yeah, like you mentioned,
I like the little scene.
There's a moment when they've gone to the Huts planet
and Mando's been poisoned and then...
A big snake bit him.
Big snake bit him.
And then Groglet has to, you know,
fend for himself and make him a little shelter and stuff like that.
I guess he's got that Yoda DNA in him.
He's got the Yoda DNA.
instinctively make a little mud hut.
They'd get a little walking stick.
Yes.
Yeah.
A bit of fun.
Groglet still works.
Yeah.
Oh, and they brought in the barbu fricks.
Whatever they're called.
They're fun also.
Yeah.
That's a little,
that's for the kids.
I mean,
I don't mind them either.
Also,
there's a moment where they go to escape
and they've got a little barboo frick ship.
Yeah.
And the mandoloreans, like,
I can't fit in that.
I'm like,
if you took your armor off,
I reckon you could.
Also, just,
just hang on the top of it for a bit.
Go somewhere else.
Go somewhere else.
and get a spaceship.
I don't know.
Yeah.
And there's,
it's wild to me at the end
when they're like,
well,
these jab are the huts,
the evil jab of the hearts.
They're actually evil.
Yes.
Like all jab are the huts.
And they've betrayed the Republic
and they've sold us out.
Let's go bring all our X wings in
and deflate that souffle they live in.
Yes.
But it feels like,
it's just something they do in Star Wars.
Yeah.
They bring in the X wings and after whatever.
And it's just kind of boring.
Yeah.
And also we see the guy from Kim's convenience.
so I really like.
He's coming from his name, but he's great.
He's there.
It doesn't do anything, but he is there.
Zeb is in this a lot from rebels.
Is he the co-pilot guy?
He's the co-pilot guy.
He's the co-pilot guy who they've just like,
I guess he's got to have someone to talk to.
Yeah, right, right.
Bring him in.
But it felt really boring that part to me.
And also, like, there's nothing exciting about that sequence.
And also, you are the criminal organization in the galaxy.
Yeah.
How are you not ready for seven X wings?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, that's wild to me.
I mean,
It's not the least...
Both unhungly.
It's not the least...
It's not the most egregious guy who's unprepared
for a frontal assaults, a situation that I've seen this week.
But it's pretty close.
I tell you that much, James.
Martin Scorsese is in this.
He is.
And he's fun.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
He gets an opening title's credit, which is sort of...
I think that's fair enough.
Well, yeah.
He's Martin Scorsese.
He is a Martin Scorsese.
I guess there's not that many characters in this movie.
This franchise in particular, the Mandalorian,
has a history of putting in directors,
Dave Filoni, of course, also.
Burn a Hedsog.
Yeah, where's the baby?
Whatever, he did that whole thing.
Show me the baby.
Give me the baby's DNA.
Give me the baby.
I make it the force with the baby.
Yeah.
Or whatever.
That's what he says.
Whatever he was doing.
That's the name of his autobiography.
Yeah.
But again, like, at the end, you know, he goes to Sigourney Weaver and she's like,
you work for us any time, Mandelaar and you're a good guy.
And he's like, I don't work for anybody.
I work for me.
And they're like, you'll be back.
And it's like, yeah, this is.
the end of season three what you're doing.
Right, yes.
He clearly just works for the new republic.
Yeah.
Like, Groglet doesn't grow beyond he can build a hut now.
Like, and I expected him to talk and he didn't.
And I'm not expecting him to say, this is the white.
I'm shocked he didn't say that.
Or I'm baby Yoda.
It's, again, it's just kind of...
Bring me the baby.
I am the baby.
I'm baby Groglet.
Yeah, again.
And I'm sure...
I learned to talk about it.
Talk.
People will see this in particular the review that will go on YouTube and be like,
oh, you're just trying not to say that, you know, you hated it, but you don't
want to say it.
I really did it.
We don't have any stake in saying, and we do it.
But what I do feel is very ominous, is everything around this.
That is what I'm more concerned about.
I think, I guess the, the.
And I love watching my son enjoy something.
Yeah, there you go.
If anything, that really helped.
Yeah.
I also enjoy that the next time I see your son and he says, did you see Mandelaer and Groglers?
What did you think about?
that I don't have to say it sucks because I will I'll be honest oh it sucks yeah
so you like it you're an idiot yeah I didn't I mean I when I don't like something I'm
honest with yeah and I was like no I liked it yes it was fun to me there was more to
like about it yeah like as a as a fun little kind of you know a breezy little
action adventure like put put yourself in the mindset of a kid and just be like that's a bit
of fun I don't know who Dave Filoni is that's exactly right I don't know what cowboy
had Star Wars is um
Yeah. Also, I accidentally purchased a ticket for the wrong cinema and then I had to purchase a new ticket.
So I purchased, I purchased two tickets. And I'm still waiting to see if they'll give me a refund for the first tickets.
I think they will? Probably not. You only get 30 minutes. But if you buy it like five minutes beforehand, they won't give you a refund.
No, that's it. You're done. You're done, brother.
Might have to, might have to. But even saying that I bought two tickets to this movie, I'm like, yeah, it's pretty fun.
Yeah, great.
Yeah, like we don't, I am also, you know, side note, and we can cut this out of the main review, I guess, is that we have no stake in saying anything dishonest because they won't get, I paid for the tickets, you know?
Yeah.
And also, if you say that the movie is bad, they will still give you tickets to the next movie.
They do not care.
They're not checking.
Or even if they are, they don't care.
They just want eyes on it.
They do not care.
The only time they will ban you is if you break the embargo, the review embargo time.
You're talking about our Paramount Banby?
Correct.
Yes, I am talking about that.
And I technically didn't break that embargo.
They were just mad that I said Transformers 4 or 3 or 5 was terrible, which it is.
Yeah, it is.
Whichever one of those it was.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's all losers.
I'm still bad.
Yike, I know.
I got some reviews here from people have written in and then we're going to talk about a quote about the future of Star Wars movies.
Also, anybody who emails in and says, this is bad for X reason, you're probably right.
Yeah.
It's fine.
I think I made a lot of valid points.
I think so, too.
That's what I was going to say.
So I think the key here is, one, will this make its money back?
Yeah.
And do they, would, are they, then they going to, are they going to, um, go too far in the other direction?
Um, over correct for the next one.
Yeah.
And we'll see where the next one goes.
Because if the, if the next thing, whatever it is, is just more of the tropes from the previous movies.
So I've seen it a thousand times.
Yeah.
Plus two.
Mm.
Then we'll know.
Yeah.
Maybe it's, we're in a downward spiral.
But if they, if they like, okay.
this one did okay and now it's time to move into greener pastures we'll see i wonder even if they're
going to do they want to keep this now as a movie character and franchise yeah right because do they
want to then have you switch between disney plus and movies because as marvel found that doesn't that
does not work no people feel like it's homework homework and hard and i don't want to know what
happened in fucking i don't even know i can't even name a series because also we we have the
something of a problem here in that Mando is set,
I've recently been informed eight years after Return of the Jedi,
but the new trilogy is set, what, 30 years after that?
Yeah, something like that.
So do you team up an old Mando with Ray Skywalker,
a character that nobody likes anymore?
Mm.
And then Groglet is grown up or something?
The Mandalorian Groglet is set roughly 11 to 12 ABY after Battle of Yardin,
which I guess is about 80 years.
Okay.
Yeah, is-ish.
Okay.
Good to know.
Good to know.
Here's the reviews, Mason, of people on the planet broadcasting great mates group,
Tarbo says it's the most, it's a movie, movie I've ever seen.
Yeah, fair call.
Ben Guz, uh, Guz says, if I had a nickel very time Dave Faloni,
made a Star Wars movie that involved Roda the Hut that was released in cinemas,
but in reality, it should have been a three-part story arc of a TV show,
or would have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that happened twice.
The Clone Wars movies.
Is it also, oh, that has Grotto the Hut or whatever you see his name was.
That was this guy.
Rotter the Hut.
Yeah.
God, this guy, he's got loves rot of the hut.
You see a little image of him.
He wants to make, he wants to make, stop trying to make rot of the hut a thing, David Flolone.
Well, he's now a thing. It's not a thing.
It was Jeremy Allen White and he's got muscles.
That's true.
When Groglett lifted him out of the pit, I thought that was going to be a moment for
Rot of the hut to use his superior upper body strength to climb out of the pit.
Oh, yes.
But he didn't need to do that.
Wow.
Yeah.
I thought it would be a moment where he put on a very tight white t-shirts.
Cousin!
Yeah.
Stop doing a jab of the hut.
A hut on me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm just Eben Mossbacher.
I'm just a regular guy.
I'm also in the Hutt family.
I'm married in, I think.
I'm just a regular man.
You thought I got shot in Andor, but I didn't.
They didn't.
That was a different guy that looks like me.
Wasn't me.
Wasn't me.
Ryan says, I liked it, but it really didn't live up to the early buzz, and it felt like
a low stakes episode.
If it was just released on Disney Plus, it would be getting a lot more positive buzz,
but making it a movie feels like it should have come with bigger stakes.
Grant says,
If you've seen the trailer...
I told Martin Scorsese was making in that booth.
He was.
Bigger stakes.
Yum.
Yum.
If you've seen, Grant says,
if you've seen the trailers,
don't worry about spoilers.
That's about all there is.
I love most Star Wars,
so I enjoyed it, but only just.
Definitely not a great movie.
Maybe the most just a movie of all the Star Wars movies.
Mick says,
my friends decided to go to a midnight screening
on a dumb woman.
I went and it was fun.
Sebastian says,
it's fine,
not offensive,
not terrible,
not particularly great either.
It's better than the rise of Skywalker,
agree.
Only because it's not as essential to the saga.
Oh, and to my surprise, Rod of the Hutt was definitely a standout.
And he's not like his father.
I don't know if you know that, Mason.
He's different.
People cheer for him.
Yeah.
Except when he nearly got murdered and that were booing him.
You know what I like about this?
And actually, I'm indifferent.
But it's the fact, they've skipped the whole bit about how, like,
the Mandalorians are all a bunch of weird cultists.
Yeah, don't need any of that.
You never needed any of that.
Yeah, you can just ignore that.
There's no point.
They still put the bit in like, oh, you're ashamed that you take the hell.
He should just,
Not have the helmet off.
I did like how they took his helmet off and they're like, we've shamed you and he's like, I'm going to kill you.
Yeah.
Then I won't have any shame.
I'm going to feel great.
Yeah.
And there was a bounty hunter that had a dog.
Oh, yeah.
And he didn't like him.
Raiden robot guy.
And he's from something, isn't he?
Yeah, probably was going to be Cadbane.
No, Cadbane's different, Mason.
He's from the Book of Obofet and maybe he died.
He probably didn't.
But that is another guy with a big hat running around.
Oh, yeah.
He was doing karate with a hat.
He was doing karate with a hat.
He should have had something.
about him, you know?
I think also they made all the people on the
hut planet robots is because
the Mandalorian can take his mask off in front of robots
and it doesn't count. And also, Sigourney Weaver
can kill them all. Yeah, that's right.
With an X-wing and it doesn't matter.
Top all that mud souffle. Yes.
Delicious.
No. I did love seeing Nell Hutter.
Who's that again? That's the planet of the huts.
I've been reading about since I've enjoyed that.
Wow. Good world design.
I like the different worlds they go to.
Anyway, this is Dave Filoni on the future.
of Star Wars.
Oh, yes.
Michaelite.
Of course, now he is co-president of Lucasville.
That's right.
People have called him the heir apparent to George Lucas because he did study under
George Lucas.
Oh, yeah.
And that's important.
He says, for me ring right now, rather than dealing with hard numbers like that,
I'm just going to be looking at stories and the potential and planning what I'd like to do.
I believe in having an overarching idea and then saying, okay, it's this many of that
and then we can have that.
There are certain things that...
Well, this is just tabrish.
No, that have been in motion already that obviously I want to continue.
John and I have a great partnership for many years now.
telling stories. John Krasinski? No, Favro. I look at the stories that I'm kind of planning
and architecting and I look at other creative talent that bring us also great stories. And I just
try to find a way to make them all work. And the re-release of episode four, there's so much
exciting stuff coming for Star Wars fans. But I have to say, episode four of the book of
Boca Fet. No, Mason, the original Star Wars. But I have to say, I said this earlier, fans have
known me for 20 years now and I've worked with and told Star Wars stories. So I think they have a good
idea of what to expect.
Time tree.
I have so far really enjoyed collaborating with everybody and we all are well on our way.
The future's in motion now.
It's so exciting.
That's the future of Star Wars, whatever that says.
Yeah, all that stuff he said.
Word salad.
Yeah.
Star Wars.
What is it?
This.
But sometimes it's a different thing.
Might be a different thing in the future.
Yeah.
And that's okay, I guess.
Star Wars Forever?
Star Wars Never?
Wait, Star Wars Forever?
Star Trek never?
They're taking a break, I think.
Yeah, good.
But they're doing a reboot?
Star Wars to take a break. I've said this before.
Give it a minute. Yeah.
But they're not going to.
But how would they make a billion dollars potentially?
You can't. Yeah. Baby groglet.
Baby groglet. Yeah.
The boys finale.
Season 5.
Mediocre.
Series finale alert.
Wrapped it up in a way that was like,
I guess this is inevitable
or what's going to happen.
Sure. Pretty good.
I think I might have liked it slightly more than you,
which is not saying much.
I think it's better than a lot of the rest of the season,
just because we just do full.
I got home from watching The Mandalorian and I had a lie down and I went, should I go back
out to the living room and watch the boys finale on my TV and I'm like, no, I just watch it on
my phone.
My phone's right here.
Great.
Yeah.
That's really good.
Yeah.
So bearing of mind, that's colour.
Also, I bought two tickets for the Mandalorian versus Groglitz.
Did you buy two tickets for the boys season five episode?
Yeah, but I only needed the edge of both seats.
Oh, interesting.
Because of how on edge I was in this finale.
Now, I want you to know this that according to Amazon Prime, this was the most watched season with 55
million viewers.
Huh.
First of all, I don't believe that.
Correct.
Because, uh, maybe initially.
Yeah.
Maybe first episode.
But I also feel like you can't, there's no metrics to this.
No.
But the vibe of like, do you know anybody who's watching this in the real world?
No.
Exactly.
It's not like a, it's not like a heated rivalry.
Sure.
Or that woman who's like, should I marry this guy who murdered somebody on Netflix?
Murder wife?
No, she didn't murder.
Murder wife?
Question.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I did watch that series and I did really.
enjoy it and I'm like this is quite harring and this woman was treated really poorly but the one thing
I couldn't get behind and that was they're like so I met this dude and he was a highlander and he's
like six foot four and he was like so handsome and you see him and you're like I'm like nah what is this
show there's a woman who's like it's called and he was a highlander he wasn't immortal he was immortal he was
he's on Netflix I guess this hasn't broken through the public consciousness as much as I think you're
the only person who's seen no everyone's seen it and basically she's it's a thing of like she finds out that
maybe her fiance has done this terrible thing.
Uh-huh.
Maybe accidentally killed somebody on purpose.
Uh-huh.
And what should she do about that?
Right?
And the way that, you know, after it all unfolds,
the way that, like, the police treated it and all of that was quite awful.
And she was clearly going through something and they left her really vulnerable around
this man, which is all awful.
But the only thing, yeah, again, I couldn't agree with him, which is like, and he was
handsome.
and he was great.
And I'm looking at him, I'm like, this guy's not a fucking handsome at all.
Maybe he's funny.
He didn't seem very funny.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Okay.
I haven't seen that.
Anyway, Eric Kripke said this via THR on the ratings.
Oh, obviously, how many times do I have to relearn the lesson that the online world is not the actual world?
They're welcome to have that opinion, but it's actually not reflecting what's happening in the world.
And what I saw, the numbers, I calmed right down.
So Eric Kripke, of course, did Supernatural up to season five and has been on this.
He's getting a lot of pushback of like, do you even remember any of these characters or things that have done in the past?
Like, apparently, for example, in this, the character of Camico is like, I like, I like,
I loved watching you growing up, this woman that she meets because you were a representation of an Asian person on TV.
And I'd never seen that, even though she grew up in Japan.
Correct.
Which means she would have seen a lot of Japanese people on TV.
Yeah.
Almost inclusively.
But, okay, but when she watched American TV, which is the only important type of TV,
maybe they, maybe the writers think that in Japan they only watch American TV.
Yeah.
And the writers also forget that Homelander once just lasered her in half in like a second.
Just like, b...
Yeah.
Remember that?
I do remember that.
And he didn't do it this time.
No, he didn't do it this time, did he?
Should we do spoilers?
I think we should do spoilers, yeah.
Look, here's the thing, and I don't think this season has been particularly great.
I think there's been some nice moments.
I think, you know, a couple of characters got their send-offs slash their deaths,
and I think those deaths were handled quite well.
Sure.
But I feel like the final episode should work from beginning to end.
Yes.
You know what I mean?
You kind of also, because it's about them storming into the White House and trying to kill home.
Sorry, no, no, no, I'll stop you.
They're walking into the White House.
They're strolling into the White House.
And I guess, like, Homelander would do this because he's so arrogant.
But, like, you don't have...
And he's crazy.
He's gone crazy.
But you don't have, like, other superheroes there?
See, that's the thing.
And I think...
And he knows that they have a weapon to depower him.
Correct.
Or they know they're at least...
Or a virus or whatever.
Yeah.
Because, yeah, so if you haven't seen the episode and you don't mind of spoiling it right now,
the boys are like, how do we...
The Homelander's in.
the White House and he's proclaiming himself God.
How do we get into the White House?
Well, there's a tunnel.
And the tunnel, somebody has the codes to the tunnel and they haven't changed the codes of the tunnel since the last time anybody used it, which is odd.
Because you'd think they'd change him every day.
But Homelander knows they're coming.
Homeland knows they're coming.
So he set up.
A closed door.
No, he set up two guards in it.
I think there's two guards, regular men.
Yep.
And then he sets up a closed door.
A closed door.
A closed door.
And then a second closed door.
trap them and then he's got like one of those
ultrasonic sound screamer things that affect soups
and a couple of guys with guns
so he's gonna
and also two of those people in that killbox
are invincible two regular weapons basically
all three of them are really well not Huey
so it's Homeland of Kimiko and I'll start
I mean in the killbox yeah oh I'll tell it is there at that point
yeah so three of them are bulletproof completely bulletproof
Interesting.
Well, maybe Kimiko's not, but she can regenerate from bullets.
All the time.
All the time and immediately.
So that's his plan, is a couple of guys with regular guns.
And a lot of this season is built around Homeland is looking for immortality.
Yeah.
And it's also about finding a virus to kill him.
Yeah.
Which becomes largely irrelevant.
And also, and then it pivots to why don't we use Soldier Boy?
We're trying to recreate Soldier Boy's powers.
And so we can use it on Homelander, which he knows.
But also, like, he's immortal.
because he gets a mortal at this point,
but I don't even see how that makes a difference.
You could still kill him at any point if you had the right web.
Also, we found it this season that you can...
It's not like it becomes more immortal.
You can gas him.
You can gas him, radiation works on him.
I reckon if you did hit...
I mean, if, you know, he's too fast,
but if you hit him with the nuclear warhead,
I reckon you'd kill him.
Yeah, maybe.
And if he's just at the White House,
you could probably drop one on him.
Yeah.
But, yeah, like, we established even in the most recent few episodes,
it's like soldier boy is capable of getting one of these other guys
and breaking his neck if he wanted to.
He's like, I could, you're bulletproof,
but I could break your neck if I wanted to.
And Homelander is more powerful,
but I don't think he's that much more powerful.
Well, he does go tot and totally.
And adding to, he doesn't make him.
No, he goes to toe to toe with like Billy Butcher and this.
Yeah.
And there is a few of them.
And Butch is like,
like, he's not as strong, but they're pretty comparable.
And Butcher knows how to fight.
And But like.
I think Anthony Star also has consistently been,
really good and really awful as this character.
Like intentionally awful.
Like just so upsetting.
He would,
I think he would be in contention
for like one of the best
supervillains in movies TV and superhero movies.
If it was a better written character?
If they'd stopped it about season three.
This whole thing should have been three seasons.
Yeah.
Because it also ends in a scene,
well, the Homelanders scene where they corner him in a room.
Oh, before we get to that.
So they get through,
they somehow manage.
to escape the room with ultrasonic screamers and a guy with a gun by being bulletproof
and the bulletproof guys, the bulletproof guys covering the non-bull. Also, like, they're going
to run out of bullets eventually. Also, you can shoot lasers, I'm pretty sure. And a butcher,
you have, you have tentacle powers, you could pull down a siren with your tentacles. You could
do a bunch of stuff. And also, do your shoes up, Billy Butcher, if you're going into a final
battle with Homeland? Unlike boots, were they?
Yeah, they were.
Like, you don't think that they would...
Also, they're...
What are they...
Does anybody...
Does whoever set this up,
presumably Homelander or somebody,
did they go,
oh yeah, once they're hit with the ultrasound,
they'll just give up.
Yeah.
You know, they want...
Billy Butch's goal is to kill you at any cost.
He's just going to give up, is he?
He'll go home.
Like 50 metres from his goal.
He'll go home.
He'll go home, I guess.
Well, that's why we close the door.
Yeah.
So then they make it into the Oval Office.
and then Homelander just stands there.
Yep.
And then all the good guys get into position to fight him.
And then they fight him.
They fight him for a bit.
And then Kimiko zaps him with the...
Oh, Ryan shows up.
Yeah, Ryan's there.
It's also the same plan and seen as they did...
Season three.
Season three.
Except it's...
So it's Billy Butcher and Jack Quaid's character
and Soldier Boy doing the depowering.
Yes.
It's literally the same.
Yeah.
Like their ultimate plan.
ends up being the thing they already did.
Correct, yes.
Which is fine, I guess, but again, speaks to, like, this should have been three seasons.
This should have already happened.
It's not even just that the three seasons.
It's just that there's, the big finale, it feels so.
Yeah.
And I think maybe we talked about, like, it's potentially because the budgets for each succeeding season are maybe a little bit more.
But then when you factor in it, all the cast gets paid more every season.
And I think the crew costs are usually pretty much the same.
And you have to put in a famous actor to voice a shark or whatever.
And everybody, everything costs money, more money.
All sets cost more money than they used to.
All the costumes cost more money.
All the effects cost more money.
All this sort of stuff.
But also your Amazon.
And your Amazon, you have infinite money.
Oh, this got 55 million views, biggest show ever or whatever.
So it should be fine.
And I think what probably is hampered this season
and probably this final episode, even though it really shouldn't have,
is that the writers would go,
okay, what about a scene where the Air Force send a squadron of fighter jets
and then a homeland and destroys them all in increasingly creative ways.
And then the producers go, we can't afford that.
Yeah.
We can't.
What are we going to build models and visual effects and have him fly around?
It's too expensive.
So how do we just have a fist fight in a room?
It also, if you look at like the limitations of this show,
particularly later on in this season.
Yeah.
If you look at the sets overall, there's not that many.
It's like, it's like a boys headquarters.
It's the Oval Office.
Yeah.
It's that.
They had to build that camp, I guess that was expensive.
They did the camp, yeah.
They did the, what is it, the church auditorium.
Yeah.
And normally just some woods or a road.
Yeah.
You know, it's a lot of, it is a lot of recycling.
It feels like an empty, this season feels quite empty.
Yeah, the fact that there was, again, and it's.
Feels like one of those Batman games where they've evacuated the city.
Like, and again.
Because they don't have, they can't do all the sprites and all that.
Yeah.
Like, you can't, and I know maybe it was Homelanders crazy and he doesn't want to, but like,
why is there nobody at the White House?
See, that's why you can excuse any of this by being like, well, Homeland is.
Why is Homelanders' plan making less and less sense?
Cool.
Well, because he went crazy.
Yeah.
Okay, great.
Yeah.
But I don't think the punch up at the end is even terrible.
I think it's, there is a satisfaction in like when Homelander eventually gets beaten where he is begging.
Yeah.
And like, and everybody in the world sees him.
People are saying, uh, people are saying maybe he should have been more defiant, you know, as opposed to begging.
I don't think he's like that.
Yeah, right, right.
He is ultimately a coward.
And he's also, he never.
he never bothered to learn to fight.
That's true.
So when he's just a guy
and he's fighting another guy
who can fight a little bit.
That's true.
He can't win that.
Annie finally gets revenge on the deep.
Although how does the deep get killed by a squid or whatever?
Because isn't he mostly bulletproof if he can swim to the depths of the ocean?
He's completely bulletproof, yeah.
Really consistent performance and character throughout.
Oh yeah.
My understanding as well as I think Chase Crawford was probably going to be killed off quite early.
Yeah.
People just like Chase Crawford.
I mean, he's so stupid and awful.
And what I also love about that character is he did.
It's not to play stupid.
I've been doing it for 10 years.
You've been doing a great job.
Thanks, man.
But he's never, he didn't learn anything.
Yeah.
Like the length of the show, which I think is so funny.
Sage just walks away.
She's like, ah, yeah, I'm going to Disneyland or whatever.
This is my plan all along.
Yeah, I love this.
Was it?
I don't know.
I think there's probably a way you could have,
because her thing is that she is super intelligent,
but then she lobotomizes herself so she doesn't think of too much about stuff.
I reckon if you were smart enough,
you probably could have done that on your own
without having to rely on Kimiko's
depowering laser blast or whatever.
Yeah.
Probably just put a rock in your head or something.
Let's put a rock in your head.
It's home to put a crown up his nose in the sentence.
That's true.
Do that.
Kimiko uses her love of Frenchie to blast a Homelander.
Yep.
Cool.
That's cool.
Yeah.
In the comics.
Yes.
So Homeland has a, it's not a similar death.
It's similar in some ways.
It does happen at the Oval Office.
I don't know if you remember this.
Yeah.
It's revealed that Black Noir is a exact clone of Homeland.
clone of Homelander.
Yeah, so in the comic books,
Homelander is a bad guy.
Yep.
But he isn't doing...
He's not doing presidential takeover stuff.
Yeah, and he's not doing as many murders.
Like, he thinks he's a...
He thinks he's the best of the best,
and he still sort of thinks he is a superhero.
But what happened is they created a black...
Vort created a clone of him
and put him in the black noir suit.
And then he sort of...
And that's...
And he's been doing all sorts of crimes.
Well, like eating baby.
and taking photos of it.
Yeah.
And so it's revealed that Black Noir is a clone of him.
And then Homeland is like, oh, I'm just a product, basically.
Yeah.
Like the, I mean, he is a real villain, but the real villain is vaught.
Yes.
And we're just like, yeah, we can just make another one.
We're going to care.
And it's also revealed that, well, Homeland also thinks those images were of him and he
doesn't remember, which is why he stages the coup.
Yeah.
And then Black Noir is the clone of Homeland.
It, like, tears him apart.
Yes.
And then Billy Butcher puts a crowbar through his head.
and whatever.
Because in the comic books
the boys have superpowers also.
Yes.
And that's okay.
And sometimes they do in this also.
That's right.
Don't they?
Yeah.
Look,
I think in theory,
it made more sense
that the boys don't have any powers
in the show.
I agree.
I can just having a pill,
which they did have at one point.
Yeah.
Because in the,
in the comics I was,
and I don't think I,
I think I read the first few arcs
and then some of the stuff
intermittently and then the last run.
But I think the idea
that they were just like,
just as tough as superheroes
but didn't wear
the only difference was really they wore costumes
they didn't wear costumes
because it feels like the whole point of this
like the series and also the show
is that like these people shouldn't exist
and so and if you want to defeat them
you use what is available to you
and not that oh I'm also
invincible and whatever
yeah yeah yeah
anyway President Ashley is impeached immediately
I thought that was funny how many members of the seven
did the boys actually killed
through the course of the series.
Translucent, season one.
Black No,
black noir twice.
Did they kill him?
No, Deep killed him,
but there was an original black noir.
How did he die?
Did Homelanda kill him?
Yeah, probably think Homeland may be killed him.
Yeah, so two times.
Right, but I'm saying how many the boys actually.
Oh, the team as the boys.
They killed Translucent.
Yeah.
They killed Homelander, I guess.
Translucent burst into flames on his own, I think.
No, no, they had bomb in him.
Oh, yeah, translucent.
Sorry, lamplighter.
I'm thinking.
Landlite, yeah, okay.
They might have killed himself, I think.
Yeah.
Uh, Atram was killed by Homelandar.
Yeah.
The Deep was killed by, okay, so three.
Yeah.
Three of the seven.
It's not a bad run, I guess.
It's not a bad run.
And Maeve wasn't in it because apparently
Dominique.
Miguelicott?
Yeah, she, apparently she just,
she's retired.
She's retired.
I'm done.
Yeah.
So that's fair enough.
Butcher is also like, you know, he gets what he wants, but he's then extremely
unhappy.
Oh, they killed O father, but I guess he's not in the seven, is he?
Who's that again?
The guy with the voice.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, because there wasn't really a seven at the end anyway.
No, that's true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Then, you know, M.M. and Huey needed something to do, I guess.
Totally, man.
Yeah.
Anyway, Butchers unhappened.
He's like, I'm going to release this virus anyway.
Yeah.
Which, honestly, I think they probably just should have.
I know, like, Huey stopped him because of the people that they love and whatever.
But I think that's fine.
You could have, you could have.
Yeah, totally.
But also, there needs to be a sequel to this and they will, and I'll talk about it.
Oh, you're going to write it, I am?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're going to pitch on Eric.
Somebody's already doing it.
Hey, Eric, your show wasn't very good, but I'll do it.
I don't even think it's not very good.
I think it's inconsistent.
Yeah.
And also, and I don't have a problem with this stuff, like, in general.
But like the power scaling is just all over the place.
But it just seems to be because people just forget.
Yeah.
And it's not even just a power scale.
Like the inconsistencies are not just,
we'll work and they go foot that guy.
It's not just that.
They're just inconsistencies as a whole.
Yeah, there's, like, you know, in terms of Homeland have felt much scarier in season.
one, I think, where he could, like,
he could know where everybody was in a room or in a, you know,
in the world.
In the world, pretty much.
Yeah, yeah.
There was moments where, yeah, he was distracted.
You could find translucent.
I think there was, there was the same way, like a vault facility or something
exploded in another city and he's like, oh, I've got to attend to that or whatever.
So it's like, you know.
Yeah.
But now he's just like, what's going on?
How did you guys get here?
Did you go through the one door?
You go through that door?
That I, also, I can see through it.
I could literally see you walk into this building.
Because if you remember, I think it was maybe, I think it was season, I don't know, two or three maybe where they're like, I think somebody is like, we're going to release the video of you failing to, you know, you choosing to kill everybody on this airliner.
And he's like, if you do that, I will kill everybody.
Yeah.
I'll kill everybody in the world.
I'll destroy all the military bases.
I'll destroy all this blah, blah, blah.
And so I think people were hoping for something bigger.
It was also because the way this was marketed.
Yes.
was that it was going to go apocalyptic
because you see Homeland are looking over the world
and there's, I did like how he took Elon Musk to space.
Okay, sure.
Or so Elon Musk hated this,
but I think it's just because of that sequence.
Yeah.
But, and you see the world is like,
it's the Terminator Future where all the news go off or whatever.
And that never happens.
And apparently according to Eric Kripke,
it's like, well, the decision here was like,
we were never going to go apocalyptic.
And again, I think it's because they are going to do a sequel-ish series.
But I don't think that's everybody's fault for being like,
will you tease that and then you didn't do it?
I don't think you can be angry at people for being like,
well, that's not what we were doing.
But it's like, no, but you,
and even if it wasn't his decision in market,
like that's a marketing decision.
Yes.
Of course people are going to expect something like that.
For sure, yeah.
Like, it's not even a dream sequence of that.
No, that's true.
Yeah, yeah.
The Gen.
Some of the Gen V characters show up.
Pointless.
Half of the one that can switch between genders and Marie is there.
You can cut that out because there is no more
GenV anyway. No, that's true. Irrelevant. Yeah. And Annie's like, listen, Marie, the woman who spent two
seasons learning to control her powers. You can't control your powers. Yeah. Yeah. It's, this is not up to you
to fight. I'm going to do it. A woman who can sometimes fly and sometimes can make a bright light.
Yeah. But don't you, blood control lady, not, not for you. Don't do it. Even though you're more
powerful than homelander, that's what everyone said, tells you or whatever. And you healed that guy. But I mean,
the problem there, of course, is they, she can't.
she can't be part of this
because again like like with Star Wars you can't assume
that everybody also watched the spin-off
and you can't have a character show up out of nowhere
and be like surprise I'm going to defeat you Homelander
but give her something yeah you know
I agree give her Homelander
Hometown you know cuts Kimiko open
you think she's done for or whatever
exactly and she goes and then and then Marie turns some blood into a big knife
or whatever big blood knife
and it all distracts him or wounds him or whatever
giving Kimiko enough time
to use the laser or whatever.
But I guess they get to coordinate people's schedules.
Yeah, it's true.
People are got to be in Until Dawn sequels or whatever.
They've got to be in them.
They've got to be in low-budget horror movies that are filming right now.
There's an Until Thorn sequel?
No, I don't think so.
First thing I thought, that's what people in these shows do in the summer.
They record, they film an Until Dawn sequel.
True.
Anyway, everyone gets what they want.
Butcher dies.
He loves that.
Mother's Milk gets married.
He gets to kill him.
He gets to kill him, which he loves.
Mother's milk gets to adopt, Ryan, I guess.
I guess.
Huey and Starlight, they have a baby there,
and getting a baby together,
and he gets to run a little VHS store or whatever.
Exactly.
What it was going on.
Dead media, nothing but dead formats,
it should be called.
Huey's dead formats.
I also like a crew montage.
Yeah.
Just being like, these are all the people that worked on the show.
I think that's good.
That is good.
I'm still going to say your best season.
There's a polarite of the rightest room.
People have run in,
rushing him in the beating with that.
I'm still going to say a best movie of a series ever
because I thought it was fine.
Yeah, overall.
I think there is so much, like, a lot of it was mishandled.
Yeah.
But I think it's okay all in all.
And there's enough good performances in this and that I can overlook a lot of it.
I don't think you can fault anybody who's in this.
No.
You know, because you can't, if you're Aaron Moriati or Jack Quater or, you know,
any of the ensemble, you can't be like, well, I want more.
Give me more. Give me more stuff.
Give me more stuff to do.
Yeah.
You know, because they've got to do a Vort Rising thing.
They've got to do the preview.
So I don't care of French he dies.
Yeah.
I hear some reviews from people on the planet broadcasting great mates.
Tyson says, stuck a better landing out of nowhere than I thought it could.
James says, meh, just meh.
I thought it'd be more invested in his finale if the show had been a full season shorter.
and erupt everything up tighter.
Instead, it felt stretched out just to keep the universe alive for future spin-offs.
That's true.
Rory says, strange season, but actually a decent finale, I thought,
much better than had any right to be, given the meandering season that led up to it.
Zanda says, I don't think it's as bad as Game of Thrones or Stranger Things.
I didn't finish Stranger Things.
Purely because it felt like a natural conclusion to the show.
It did, however, feel rushed and lacked a punch for some of the payoff.
Yeah, it was always going to end this way.
Yeah.
But it is this, like, the way they did it.
Also, I think when you, if you were already inclined to,
dislike a thing, you are going to, you know, you are going to hyper focus on all the floors,
I think. Totally.
But I just think just the fact that this last episode just had a walking into a, walking down a hall,
that's how you're getting in, is it?
Walking around.
There's no more, there's no more espionage way or more action hero way to do.
It's just walking down a hall.
I can't think of anything else.
No.
Maybe some people using superpowers.
Maybe Annie could fly some people in because she can fly.
She can fly many times.
Yeah.
Also, why'd she fly deep to a beach?
To fight him.
Because she knew that the ocean was going to kill him.
Just kidding.
She didn't know that.
Why would she?
Yeah.
Like where's the closest beach to Washington?
Where's the closest beach to Washington, D.C., James?
It cannot be close.
I do not know.
But also, yeah, because for her also, and again, she doesn't know that the ocean hates him.
Correct.
That's a more dangerous place for her.
That's a more dangerous place.
Because if he knocked her into the water and the ocean didn't hate him, she would be dead.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying.
You'd fight him anywhere besides him.
that, right?
Yes.
He'd find him in the driest place on earth.
I agree.
A dry cleaners.
Or where everything's very dry.
Washington, D.C.
Oh.
In the paddling pool.
Washington by name, but not Washington.
Dryington by nature.
Yeah, that's what they say, isn't it?
And Bradley says, well, carrying on the tradition of many great, initial great shows
and sputtering out at the very end.
Also, Eric Kripke's talked about the spinoff of Vort rising,
which is set in the 1950s, about the early days of Vort.
And I think, and he said he didn't.
he's like, I can't really talk about it
in terms of regards to whether they're going to do any modern
day stuff. And I think they are.
I think they're going to, we're going to see...
Well, there's boys Mexico, right? There's boys Mexico, but also
I think that series is going to also see the modern day.
Because, um, what's his name's back on ice?
There are hints that Clara is still alive, the Nazi woman.
Um, so I think that's why they didn't destroy this universe.
Because there's, there's more of it out there.
The driest place on earth.
Mm-hmm.
David Sedaris.
He's doing a speaking engagement.
He's dry humor.
Yeah.
That would be where you would go.
And then he could get David Sedaris.
And what would he do?
He'd be like, ooh.
And then the deep would tear his head off.
Yeah, he probably would.
Yeah, just pour it right off his body.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Great.
Yeah.
Should we move to the next segment of the show?
Let's move to the next segment of the show.
What is it? It's what we read.
Yep.
What we're going to read?
We watch the movie.
We watch a movie.
I'm doing a thing.
I'm doing a thing.
We watched a movie together.
We watched a movie together.
In a big packed cinema.
That's right.
We had a movie date.
Me and you.
Yeah, that's right.
And nobody else, except for the rest of the cinema, which was very chatty throughout this movie.
Very chatty.
People taking photos?
Yeah.
Apparently, this is a viral meme movie of some sort.
We're part of virality.
We're part of virality viral meme movie.
Oh, wow.
We're of course talking about the Mandalorian and Grogling.
That's right.
Now, we watched another movie called Obsession.
Yeah, by Kari Barker.
And we're obsessed with it.
Yeah, it was pretty great, actually.
It's interesting.
It is very interesting.
Oh yeah, it's very off-putting as well and upsetting.
Yeah.
Which gave me a weird dream that night.
Did it really?
Interesting.
There's a moment where you see there's a person standing in the corner of the room.
Oh, yes.
And that was the moment.
Classic. Classic horror thing, a guy standing in the corner of a room.
Yes.
So it's about a young man.
Yep.
A real wet noodle of a man.
And you might be like, is he a nice man?
No.
Not at all.
It's all right.
No.
He's a noodle.
He's an unpleasant noodle.
He's an unpleasant noodle.
He's an unpleasant noodle and he doesn't learn anything.
Yeah.
I mean, he doesn't do it again.
He's forced to do it again, would he?
Yeah.
But anyway.
I think he would.
I think he just word it differently.
He's got a crush on a co-worker.
So his name's Bear.
Yep.
He's got a fake.
Yeah, absolutely.
He's got a co-worker that he's in love with named Nicky, who's played by a woman who was in Smallville.
Yes.
She's Lana Lang's daughter in Smallville.
And I think she's one of the people who got cut in season four because they dropped it.
they love
Oh, okay.
But he's in love with her, but he's never said anything.
And then she's going to quit her job.
Indie Navarette.
Thank you.
She's going to quit her job and leave.
So he's like, uh, do I say something or whatever?
And he goes into a like a woo-woo crystal place.
A wish stream shop for Green's wishes.
And he buys a little novelty collectible called a one-wish willow.
And you say what it says on the instructions and you snap the willow and it makes your wish come true.
But you only ever get one wish.
Only, and...
Don't try to snap a second willow.
You only get one Willow and he does it just to, just as a, you know, just a, just a bit of magic.
See if there's a bit of magic in the world.
And don't forget also that you can't wish for a second season of the TV show Willow because
it's been deleted from Disney Plus.
And I wouldn't wish for that anyway.
Wow.
Yeah.
But he wishes that this, this young lady loves him more than anything else in the entire world.
And does he get his wish?
Boy, howdy does it?
It's upsetting.
It is upsetting.
It's a monkey's poor situation, which I think isn't, isn't Curry Barker say this has...
I don't know what Curry Barker said.
There was a Simpsons, like, I think he did, this inspiration for this did come from the Simpsons.
Oh, okay, right.
I'm guessing it's that episode, but I don't know.
The Monkey's Poor is like a famous story anyway.
Yeah, I thought it was pretty incredible.
Like, I know he's directed stuff before, and they're in a, him and one of the leads is there were a sketch group together.
Oh, yes.
Called, uh, something.
Wet noodle man?
Wet noodle man?
The unlikable wet noodle man?
Yeah.
The unlikable wet noodle man.
and do sketches?
No, they do good sketches.
Where are they on the YouTube's?
That's a bad idea.
That's their sketch.
Okay.
Yeah, I think.
I follow them.
I should know this.
Yeah.
Yeah, James.
Yeah, good.
It's a frightful and upsetting.
And I guess it's, it's, you encounter people sometimes who are obsessed.
Yep.
And this is that to the nth degree.
But also maybe magic is involved.
And maybe the obsession goes both ways, some would say.
Yes.
But yeah, it was, so what I thought,
it was really interesting as well
that the way they played with the idea
of how the girl who gets the wish put on her,
it is like that she's,
the real version of her is in there.
And that's quite like frightening
and presents in odd ways the way that she moves
and the way you see a kind of maybe break out every now.
You hear her on the phone at one point.
Yeah, uh,
all of that was I found like just really quite harrowing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And there's some unexpected gore in this.
That's so true.
Like a particularly violent sequence.
If you have the choice to take your school age children to this or the mandolin
versus groglet,
double screening.
Double screening.
That's right.
I would say sheep detectives groglet this.
Did you see the ship detectives?
No, haven't yet, but I do want to see sheep detectives.
Okay, so you're not following your own advice there?
No.
Interesting.
When have I ever done that?
Never ever.
But I'm happy to dispense advice.
That's true.
But I would never follow myself.
Curry Buck has already.
He's got another movie coming here called Anything But Ghosts.
Okay.
And he's also on the next Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
So a bit of a horror.
Texas Chainsaw Massacre butt on TikTok.
Just teens watching.
I think if you like talk to the hand, talk to me.
Yeah, similar things.
Yeah.
And there is some element that is similar to it.
Yeah.
I think also there's funny moments in this.
There's a moment where another person makes a wish and there's just a dead pan stare.
Yeah.
As that wish plays out, which I thought was quite fun.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Good.
Good.
Good movie.
Check it out.
How do you feel about Theo James as the next James Bond?
He's not in this, but he was in the monkey.
I like Theo James.
He's always mocking.
He's always mocking his co-stars.
It's all like this.
James, look.
Yeah.
He's like this.
He's like this.
He is doing that.
I liked him, but I find he's a little, he's probably a bit old at this point.
And they're too sinister.
Okay, yeah.
Too sinister as a James Bond.
Okay, right.
Yeah.
It's also in the gentleman, the TV version.
I've heard.
I watched him when he was in time travel as a wife TV series that got cancelled.
They shouldn't have called it that.
No, I know, but they wanted it to be cancelled.
Yeah, well, it's the quickest way to do.
Well, it worked.
Yeah.
Should we move to another segment of the show then?
I should have called the Boys' Season 5, but with better writing.
Should have called it.
Ironically?
Yes, ironically.
Perhaps we should move to the next segment, James.
If you're not scared.
I'm not scared.
Well, I'm not scared either.
Then you should just play it.
Look, Leonard's theme song.
I'm going to play it.
I'll play it.
I'll play right now.
The classic one was
Letters
Oh, letters
We love you
Some letters
They're only a day
away
You know they're here right now
We're going to do letters
Hi, I'm Michael Letters
I've come to
And I've brought the letters for today
This week
Terrific
What can I, what letters
Can I give to you, Mason?
Hang on who is this?
I'm Michael Letters
Michael Letters
You know me?
No
I'm new
Yeah, you are new
I've never seen you before
You might think I'm John Letters
But John Letters
is not here anymore
Oh, I'm Michael Letters.
I'm different.
You look the same.
No, but I am different.
And you have the same last name.
Yes.
Are you brothers?
No, we are not related.
We are different.
How do you know him?
How do I know him?
I took his job.
Okay.
Because I know there were some people questioned some of the activities that he did.
Maybe he had sinister motives and a sinister past.
Yeah.
But you don't need to worry about any of that.
He had some, somehow we had financial control of our opportunity.
I'm Michael letters.
And some people might go, oh, you look like him.
Are you actually John Lennon's?
I mean, John Letters.
No, I'm Michael Letters and I'm different.
Okay.
I might be here again next week.
I don't know.
Do you have any control over our finances?
Well, would you like me to?
No.
I'm going to do it to help you out, only if you want me to help you out.
I don't want you to help us out at all.
I don't know.
It's not a problem.
I don't know why James let you in here.
I don't know where he is currently.
Why did he step out?
I think he's probably busy doing a wee or something.
I don't know.
That does sound like him.
He's doing a way a lot.
So.
Anyway, here's your letters for the week.
Thank you, Michael, Letters.
Even though I do not trust your motives here, much like John Letters.
You don't need to trust me, but you do need to respect me.
I'm not going to do that either.
All right, if I run into John Letters, which I might, because we're individuals different,
I will say hello from you.
No, don't do that.
I don't want to say hello to John Letters.
I don't want to have, my only communication is going to be through our solicitors.
Right.
He is your solicitor, isn't he?
letters. But now I will take on that role of your solicitor as Michael Letters.
Okay, then say hello, Tim, from me. But as my solicitor.
Great. Great. All right, bye. Bye, Michael Letters.
Was that Michael Letters? What was he doing here? How do you know Michael Letters?
We passed each other in the... No, but how do you know him? Oh, how do I know here?
We passed each other when we were urinating. You were both urinating.
He finished before me and then he came in here, but I continued to urinate.
Okay, the timeline does work out.
Yeah.
What did you think of him?
I don't like him.
He was different though, wasn't he?
From what?
John Letters.
No, they looked the same and they sounded the same.
It's not John Lennon's you're thinking of, is it?
No, it's not.
Okay, cool, yeah.
Okay, true.
What did Michael Letters bring you today?
And is it true that you can send a letter to us by Weekly PlanetPod at gmail.com
Or in the Planet Broadcasting Greatmates group?
I don't know what's true anymore, honestly.
I don't know who.
I mean, people might be sending thousands of letters a week.
I don't know because they're being intercepted by these.
letters guys unrelated,
two different guys apparently
that look the same.
But they brothers?
They said they weren't.
Michael said they weren't brothers,
but I haven't spoken to John letters about that.
Yeah,
I think you'd probably confer that, if anything.
Yeah, sure.
Anyway, go, what's your letters from Michael Letter?
Here's an email from Jake.
Should I didn't say Michael Letter?
Now I don't know what he said.
Okay, just so continue.
Okay, what do you think he said?
I wasn't here.
But he introduced himself as what?
Michael.
Michael what?
Just Michael.
So how do you know he was Michael letters?
Because he was carrying letters.
I just assumed he was Michael letters.
That's weird.
Yeah.
That is weird.
Don't you ever see someone carrying something and then assume that's their last name?
You're often carrying Sunday movies.
I am, exactly.
And you're often carrying?
Sunday, bloody Sunday, for example.
You're often carrying a big handful of turds.
Yeah.
All right.
What's your letter, Nick Turd?
Here we go.
It's an email from Jake.
It's a subject line to YouTube at a Hollywood pipeline.
Oh, yeah.
It's happening.
Just got back from seeing obsession.
Could not recommend a movie more.
if you two haven't seen it.
We have seen it.
We have seen it.
Got me thinking about the recent
YouTube sketch comedy
to Hollywood Pipeline.
Yeah.
Racka Racko brothers did talk to me
and bring it back.
Bring it back.
Marker, Ryan Lung,
Carrie Barker in obsession
and cane park.
Does he do skits?
Michael, Michael, um,
uh, plyer?
Marka, Micah,
I don't know what his deal is.
I don't know anything about him.
I don't know anything about him.
I don't know.
Do you think that the next batch
of horror movie directors
or even directors in general
originate from social media?
Yeah, maybe.
Curious on your thoughts,
how this trend may continue to play out.
I think it makes sense also because you've got people who are cutting their teeth
by making content, filming stuff or whatever,
so then they can make something.
Proof of concept.
Exactly.
So it does make sense.
And also,
the quality of movies that people are making are way better
when it used to be just like,
what if Shane Dawson made a teen comedy or whatever?
And it's like, this is awful.
Yeah.
So, yeah, this.
And Hollywood to YouTube to horror makes more sense, I think,
because they're cheap to make generally.
And, I mean, you know, Markiplier paid for his own, right?
Yeah, he made a lot of money on that, which is like amazing.
So maybe that, I mean, that's, I wonder if it's also Hollywood will see these examples
and then take a bunch of largely untested internet people and get them to make a movie.
Like they're, you know, just like TikTok people.
Yeah.
And, you know, the TikTok influences agent goes to Hollywood and goes,
this person's got 100 million followers.
How about they make a movie based on their movie?
20 second clips or whatever.
Yeah.
And because it's in the zeitgeist and it's worked in the last couple of years, they go, okay.
Yeah.
And then.
Absolutely.
And a Mr. Beast movie.
And Mr. Beast.
Mr. Beast.
He's already made an incredible TV show.
So Mr. Beast makes a bad TV show.
Correct.
The movie.
Guess a number or open a case or look at a money or eliminate themselves or whatever.
Eliminate themselves or hold up to a rope or not.
This game's called Eliminate Yourself so you don't win a million dollars or stay around and you
might win a million dollars.
What will you do?
I think I'll stay.
Well, you're eliminated.
All your team's eliminated.
Well, I, yeah.
Okay, good.
Well, bye.
Yeah.
Do you want to know anything about me as a person to make more compelling TV?
No, not really.
No.
No.
Here's a thousand more contestants.
Bring in a thousand more.
Oh, great.
Can I be one of them?
All right.
I guess, I don't know.
I'm not even paying attention.
Stuart's...
I'm just reading emails about our rancid lunch foods that we're selling.
More rancid, I'm saying.
More rancid.
Stuart says, with a lot of shows lately failing to please,
audiences with their finale seasons?
I don't know.
I've not heard such a thing.
What shows do you think totally nailed their finale?
I've just got a list here.
Breaking Bad, better call soul.
Uh-huh.
Sure, sure, sure.
Parks and Rec, great last season.
Uh-huh.
The good place.
Those are some examples that I've had.
What do you think of the wrapping up of Buffy?
Uh, great question.
I don't like the last season.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, that's right.
Endings are difficult.
Who are you going to talk to about that?
Ghostbusters.
What?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'll bring them up on their red phone.
They do have a red phone.
Yeah.
They only want to talk about ghosts.
I don't want to talk about...
Well, Buffy's got ghosts.
I'll talk to them about the ghosts in Buffy, and then I'll segue into just talking about the final
season of Buffy.
Slick actually.
Yeah, pretty slick, right?
Yeah.
You're cleverer than you look.
And I got him on the phone, you know?
Yeah.
Oh, you're talking to Bill Murray all day.
That's right.
Or Janine or whoever the person who picks up the ghost.
Or Slimer?
Sometimes he picks up the phone.
You'd want to talk about Buffy.
Get out of it, by the way, slimer.
Yeah.
You slamming up the phone.
Good finale.
Let me think.
What about the Cobra TV series, which is a spinoff of the Kobe
Cye?
Oh, that.
Well, yeah, how did that end?
Probably a big karate kick in a school.
Probably a big karate kick to each other in a circle.
and restarted the universe.
Reese started the universe?
Yes.
Who's eight?
Come on.
I don't even know it.
Oh, here we go.
Can't think of a single TV show right now.
You don't need to.
That's right, I don't.
And or season two for LA.
Incredible.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They did it.
Two good seasons like Fleaback.
You don't have to think of anything.
I think I named some really good ones.
I think you named all the great ones.
Yeah.
You got another letters?
Maybe.
We can circle back.
We can circle back.
We won't.
No, we never will.
This is from pain.
Why did you send yourself a letter?
Ha ha! Got me.
Hi Mason and James.
I was a long flight and on a whim I watched the Wachowski speed racer.
I never bothered seeing it because classmates and friends were saying it was dumb at the time
and I eventually forgot about it.
True.
I was blown away by the movie and absolutely flawed by the action and unique editing style.
That's interesting, on a flight also.
This has been...
I feel like this has been popping up a lot lately.
Why is that?
Who in this movie is...
James, let me finish a letter.
James, I had a big dumb grin on my face during the final racing scene
and even rewatch some of the action scenes during my return flight.
All right.
It would be great to hear you to talk about it in a caravan series or even a commentary.
Yeah, I would love to talk about this.
Are there any movies you missed out on seeing when you were younger in the past
and upon finally seeing them loved the movie?
Probably Speed Racer?
Yeah, I didn't like it initially.
I should give it another go.
Also, I think I saw it on a little TV.
Yeah, okay, yeah.
So you did actually say it.
I've seen it, yeah.
Oh, interesting.
But I should say, I should wait for a, I think they're doing like a revoke.
revival or a re-showing somewhere.
I should watch it on the big screen and give it another chance.
I agree.
And I've never seen it.
And I think also knowing what I know about it now,
that it's amazing and everybody loves it and actually everyone was wrong about it.
Yeah.
And then we could watch it and say we're always on board.
We always knew.
Well, I've never seen it.
So I can do that comfortably.
That's true, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'd be lying.
It would be funny.
It would be funny if I see how to go, this sucks.
Right.
This is bad.
You see it on the biggest screen possible with like a crowd of adoring fancy.
You're like, this sucks actually.
Awful actually.
This sucks.
Who's with me?
Race or X?
You stand up and you're wearing the exact outfit of that guy in the meme and you're like,
I thought it was bad actually.
Who's with me?
Who's with me in my beige jacket?
Hey.
Any movies you missed out on seeing when you were younger that upon seeing and loved
the movie?
All the time.
I mean, just old stuff.
Old stuff.
Old noir movies?
I can't think of anything that like I actively avoided it and then watched it and thought it was good though.
Like, I cannot think.
think of an example.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
Don't know?
No.
I'll give anything.
Well, like, recently we watched, not that recently, but like the original Godzilla,
the original King Kong, which I probably wouldn't have ever watched if we...
Recently, who's that?
I got you.
Is he related to recently the universe or whatever?
Maybe he is.
Yeah.
I got...
You got...
I got you.
And I probably would never have watched those.
Yeah.
Because I'm like, I don't know, this is some old crap.
Not that I thought it was crap, but it was just like, I have no interest in going back.
But it was like, this is...
amazing, like, to go back to.
Yeah. So that's an example.
Jordan says, Cyclops and the Thing
recently released his DLC characters for
Marvel Cosmic Invasion. I saw that, I showed
to Desaunt. Yeah. He's like, whoa. He loved that.
I'm thinking I might wait till
they release all the characters. Do you have to pay for them?
How much? Like two bucks? Three bucks?
Ten bucks a character. My question
is, now the X-Men are Fantastic Four,
now that they are Marvel's traditional
A-list are back in the fold of Disney, do you think
there's still A-Listers, or of Iron...
Red Wolf, or have Iron...
and Captain American Thor taking the top spots
now that X-Men are Fantastic 4 a second fiddle comparatively
other than Spider-Man is just Spider-Man.
I mean, Wolverine's still up there, isn't it?
Wolverine still up there.
I think there is potential for X-Men to, like, go back to the top.
I don't think Fantastic Four have ever been the top-tier Marvel.
No, I mean, there's plenty of good stories.
Yeah, even with their biggest movies.
No, but people in the modern era aren't just like, yes, we love this family.
But X-Men is like always consistently,
loved, I think, which is why we got
X-Men 97 and not a Fantastic Four
animated series or whatever.
Yes, correct.
X-Men, yes, Fantastic Four, maybe not as much.
Do you agree or disagree
with that?
I agree.
But you're right about Wolverine, though.
Yeah.
It depends on how they handle them and whatever.
And who they cast for the new guys.
Probably you.
I could, yeah.
You could be Professor X.
Thank you.
You have the shave your head.
Yes.
And your beard.
No.
No.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Got another letters?
My whole personality.
It is actually, yeah.
I don't know.
Who do you want to see in the X-Men?
Do you want to see anybody highlighted?
I'd like to see another.
Yeah, Cyclops, right?
Yeah.
And give him another shot.
Like, he's sort of, you know, he's spent-
Maybe rogue but doing stuff?
Rogue but doing stuff.
She's got cool powers.
It's interesting.
Yeah, Cyclops, because he's kind of, he's kind of existed in the movies
just as a foil for Wolverine and not as a character.
in his own right, really?
Yeah.
I mean, he's looking great, but you know.
Mm.
I agree.
Give him better sunglasses also.
Good sunglasses.
Not horrifying, cool guys.
Not horrifying Oakley's.
Do you have a final letters?
I do.
Mitchell says, howdy, gents?
Hey, Mitchell.
I was just wondering if either of you read the IDW 10-HB Ninja Turtle series.
Ah, yeah, I read a bunch of it.
I'm on the sixth volume.
Love the story.
The art is absolutely incredible.
Highly recommended for anyone looking for some really good Ninja Turtles or anything.
There's so much Ninja Turtle stuff.
Yes.
I, yeah.
I have read a bunch of that.
three or four volumes.
It was a while ago though.
Yeah, that's a terrific run.
I would also recommend it just like Mitchell has done,
probably before he has.
Yeah.
You probably recommend it to me,
making this email completely superfluous.
Exactly.
There's so much law to them
and there's so much like status quo breaking stuff.
All the characters are becoming cyborgs and dying.
Oh, yeah.
Different kinds of niggians.
Crazy alien stuff and time travel and what have you.
I should get.
There's girl ninja turtles sometimes.
Georgia turtles.
Gilder turtles.
Wow.
Okay, yeah.
I should get into it.
You should.
And there's so much of it.
It might even be finished or, I don't know.
There's different jumping off points and jumping on points.
Hopefully there is jumping on points.
And there's that cat or whatever who has an eye patch.
Mr. Cat.
Yes, Mr. Cat with an iPatch.
The cat in the hat and an eye patch.
How do you feel about this?
Yes.
This from Ashley says,
Just wanted to say that I appreciate how this spot has got me through dark and light times.
It's the only podcast I've ever consistently listened to.
It's the only podcast.
And I want to thank James for being the perfect amount of chaotic and funny while never punching down.
Wow.
This is the best cult.
It actually says Aunt Mason.
Thank you.
But I want you to know that I actually took that more personally than you did.
Okay.
Yeah.
But thank you.
That's so lovely for saying that.
It's a shame you broke the streak of no punching down when you said something about me holding a bunch of turns.
Do you consider that punching down?
Do you consider yourself beneath me?
Punching to the side.
Oh, right.
Yeah, side punching to the head.
Yes, exactly.
That's really lovely.
and thank you for saying that.
You're welcome.
I hope you're doing well, actually.
Yeah.
All right.
Is that the show?
Yes.
Great.
Let's wrap about that.
What are we doing next week?
Well, there's a bunch of stuff.
In the Grey.
No, never.
No, never.
Starring Henry Cavill and some other people.
No, when never.
Every episode of Spider-Man Noir is out.
Is Miles Teller in that?
Or am I thinking of somebody else?
No, when never.
Okay.
I guess we're going to wait a week and it'll be on streaming.
No, I can tell you, but what was I going to say?
So, yeah, every episode,
to spider, dark spider man is out.
Okay, that's exciting.
And backrooms is also out.
Oh, backrooms.
So I want to see that.
Speaking of horror and whatever.
Liminal spaces.
Liminal spaces.
Liminal spaces.
Hi, my name's liminal spaces.
No, limi, you know, limi, the comedian?
Yes.
Liminal spaces.
I'm listening.
I'm listening and I like it.
We should pitch this to him.
Okay.
I don't know him, but we could pitch it to him.
Well, if you find his phone number, then I will make the call.
Who's going to pay for this?
Who's going to pay for it?
He is.
Yeah, no.
It's good idea.
Okay.
We throw the.
idea at him. He pays us and he pays to make it.
Yep. And that's it. And we all go home?
We all go home. Great. Which is what we're going to do now.
We're going to do it right now. Folks, thank you so much for listening. We absolutely
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I'd really listen to some of it, but I don't have access to that.
You can get that easily.
That Collings could do that for you.
I guess he could, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, against Spider-Man Life Story video and last week, he men video games.
Some of our best dumb stuff, I think, is on the bonus podcast.
That is certainly true.
Like, you think you'd be like, okay, well, they're probably just, you know, they're just churning
it out.
But there's some good dumb riffs.
There's the dumbest thing you'll ever hear.
Dumbest thing you ever.
We did a, we recorded a Highland of commentary.
It's not out yet.
Oh, yeah, that's going to be out of few weeks.
That's going to be good.
Yeah.
I think we've put an ET commentary before that.
Oh, so many commentaries.
Yeah.
I'll tell you what else, folks.
What?
Other things.
Oh, if you want to go on there, also, the Starship Troopers video will be early this week.
You can also go to, if you want a T-Shirt, you can go to TeePublic.com, search of the weekly planet posters.
Also, thank you to Chris from Weekly Planet posters.
He's not related to us in any way.
He's not allowed to be.
No, that's true.
He's out of the will.
But he's on Instagram, you've got a weekly planet posters.
Oh, yeah.
And you can find he's just made excellent posters of the stupid things we've said.
Easy.
People should follow him.
I agree.
It's right.
Thank you to the booth
and the bassist
and rack them
for all the musical themes
next week
in the grey.
In the grey.
Guy Ritchie and Henry Cavill
and maybe Miles Tellers there
is there.
We're never doing in the grey.
Oh, okay.
I'm not.
Okay.
I will never watch this movie.
All right.
Yeah.
What if it's really good?
Then you can tell me about it.
What if it's as good
as the Ministry of Ungentlemanly warfare
which I'm pretty sure
was also Guy Ritchie and
Henry Caval.
And not great also.
That's right.
That's true.
That's great.
I didn't even know if I finished that.
That's great.
That's great.
Thanks everyone.
In the grade.
In the grade.
Okay, bye, everyone.
We'll see you next week.
Bye.
