The Weekly Planet - 63 Spider-man & Sony Hack & Mid-Season Wrap Up

Episode Date: December 15, 2014

The recent Sony hack makes for a thing we talk about this week! Along with King Kong, Star Wars, Mad Max and more!Plus we discuss the mid-season finales for Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D, Arrow and The Flash. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Welcome back everybody to another episode of The Weekly Planet, official podcast of ComicBookMovie.com. My name is James, editor at that website. With me as always, my co-host Nicholas Mason. Weekend guns. Weekend guns. Yeah, we're doing this of comicbookmovie.com my name is James editor at that website with me as always my co-host Nicholas Mason weekend guns weekend guns

yeah we're doing this this is a late night Sunday yep I like doing these ones though I feel like because I've just I put minimal effort but it goes better

because it just kind of you say that now you've jinxed it now way to jinx it good work I understand that you had an encounter with a friend of the show

like a severe beating. Yeah. Yeah. We were both severely beaten by one another. Like we... It was gentlemanly. Sure. Like we just...

We each took a shot. Yeah, good. Back and forth. Good. Like a turn-based strategy game. Yeah, like a turn-based strategy game. Yes, but with more broken teeth. No, actually, a friend of the show, Milo.

Yeah. I ran into him at an indoor rock climbing venue. What are the odds of that? I don't know. I mean, I don't know either. Well, I mean, what are the odds of me doing any kind of physical activity is certainly... The odds of that are quite high. Well, I didn't flinch, so that's a credit to your physicality.

Isn't it though? Yeah. Pretty good. Pretty good. Also, young lad, no fear of death, clearly, as he goes on the whole rock climbing situation. Me, nothing but a fear of death. So here we are. We don't want to die.

We've got too much to lose. Yeah. This podcast. You made me this cup of tea. I got that bloody cup of tea, mate. Thank you. All these things to lose. Anyway, hey, buddy.

Yeah, hey, what's happening? Thanks for listening. Yeah. Thank you, Milo. Are you in the Christmas spirit or whatever? Have we talked about... Christmas? Did we talk about Christmas last year?

One assumes we did. I don't know. Yeah, sure. Have we talked about that I love... I don't like Christmas, but I love very special Christmas episodes of things? We have talked about that, yes. Then go back and listen to that. Same thing stands.

If you love very special Christmas things, though, this isn't an episode, but I went to a... No, it is an episode. I mean a very special Christmas things, though, this isn't an episode, but I went to a... No, it is an episode. I mean a Christmas show. Okay, good. No one cares about this, but I went to a... We couldn't do a Christmas show year-round. I went to a Christmas caroling, which I'm not a fan of.

Change it up. That's all I'm saying. Same shit every year. That's all I'm saying. You're saying sweet raps. Sweet raps, exactly. Christmas raps. You're talking reggae version of Little Drama Boy.

That's right. I'm saying Mandy Moore's probably got an original Christmas song. Why can't we hear that? Let's hear that. Great. But it had the age-old tradition. It had nice stalls and a fete and carols and whatever and fireworks at the end. But it also had the age-old tradition.

You push a lantern over that age-old tradition. You burn it to the ground. That's right. But there was a bit where, in the Christmas spirit, Santa rode in on a motorcycle and jumped four cars. What?! It's better than my story. Sorry, Milo, but that is... Just cars in the car park? Yeah, there was

a ramp, so when I got there, I'm like, that... Why is there a ramp? Oh, I'll just park next to it. That's pretty much what I thought, though, because I was like, that's odd, but I didn't think it, because I'm like, why would that ever cross my mind and I could not stop laughing.

Yeah. Wait so were they prop cars or were they something real? No they were real cars. Wow. Yeah.

And like as he went as he jumped like fireworks like shot out of the bike and the ramp. What? This is a dream you had. This is real.

This happened. Yeah. I feel that strongly that event Should migrate away from the carols to Santa Claus jumps over a series of unlikely objects Look and I'll just say He was a better stuntman than a Santa Because he got on stage afterwards He's like ho ho ho

Merry Christmas That's a Santa thing to say isn't it So You should have At the very least you should have said That's a me thing to say, isn't it? At the very least, you should have said, that's a me thing to say. That's right, yeah. So there you go. Anyway, enough of that. We do a podcast about comic book movies and movies in general, don't we? And sort of mythological figures doing incredible stunts.

That's it. That's what we're doing next week. We're migrating over. Good idea. But anyway, let's get into the news. First bit of news, you're excited for the King Kong prequel Skull Island. I'm certainly keen on the Easter Bunny jumping out of a plane. Does he have a parachute? Who knows? But he, what was I going to say? Oh, prequel.

Okay. Prequel. Yeah. It's Tom Hiddleston's in it and whatever. They've renamed it Kong Skull Island. Kong colon Skull Island. Kong Island. Kong colon Skull Island. Kong colon. Kong colon Skull Island.

That's not... See, I've made a little joke there, but that's going to be the joke. Yes. I'm saying that everybody, every news site is going to call it Kong colon from this point forward. Yes, that's exactly what I thought. Bad move. Let's call it Skull Island.

But nobody knows Skull Island. Call it... Like, people know King Kong. So they're like, we have to brand this. We've got to put the King Kong name on it. Or Kong, at the very least. So I'd imagine there'd be a lot of other King Kongs running around. Heaps of King Kongs.

Yeah, yeah. Like a plethora. And it'll probably end with all the other King Kongs dying. And he's like, I'm alone. Oh, well. I'm a fighter snake. Or a dinosaur or something. At least I'm on this island and not, like, in a city or whatever. Yeah, I'm alone. Oh, well. I'm a fight a snake. Or a dinosaur or something. At least I'm on this island

and not like in a city or whatever. Yeah, I hate cities. That's what he'll say to himself. He will say that, won't he? Yeah. I don't like the smog. Makes me antsy. So, yeah.

Look, you know what? Great. I want to see... I'm not against it and I think I'd rather see that than like another retelling of the King Kong story. I don't really want to see any of it. Okay. Let's see another Planet of the Apes film. I don't really want to see any of it. Okay.

Let's see another Planet of the Apes film. Sure, yeah. Well, we're getting that also. Mad Max, though, got a new trailer. Trailer, yeah. It's pretty nuts. It's more Mad Max-y than ever before. Boy, is it.

You know, it's weird. I think we talked about it when the last trailer came out. Movies today, I think you said this, do a very good job of keeping the aesthetic from the era they came out, but updating it for the modern day. So it looks like you remember it looks in your mind. Maybe it's not how it actually looks. No, definitely not. It looks much better than that.

Yeah. But it is how you remember it in your mind. You filled in the pieces. Yeah. Oh, those amazing stunts and all the crazy, weird desert characters and whatever. That's it. Looks good. It does look good.

Charlize Theron. Yep. She's in it. She's in it. Nicholas Holt. Tom Hardy. He seems like he's gotize Theron. Yep. She's in it. She's in it. Nicholas Holt. Tom Hardy. He seems like he's got the Australian accent down, Pat, which doesn't surprise me. He's about a boy boy.

He's all over the place. He is, isn't he? I like that guy, though. But I feel like he hasn't had like a thing. So he's not like a leading man just yet. He hasn't got star power. Not yet. He's a character actor.

He'll have a weird face. He'll have a blue face. He'll be Jack. Oh, no. He was the star of Jack and the Giant Beanstalk face. He'll have a blue face. He'll be Jack. Oh, no, he was the star of Jack and the Giant Beanstalk trailer. You keep talking about that, and I don't know what it is. I think it's one of those dreams you had again. It was... No, no, Jack the Giant Slayer.

I had Ewan McGregor, the guy who did X. Ryan Singer did it. We talk about this every time. It was a gritty retelling. Oh, sorry. All right, continue. Great. That's great.

Anyway, Mad Max, though, I'm looking forward to it sometime next year, whatever. It's been a long time coming because it was delayed. One of the reasons it was delayed initially because this desert, which hasn't rained in like 40 years, suddenly rained, like flooded. Not flooded, I don't know,

but just crazy amount of rain. It became an ocean. It became an ocean. Really awkward. They considered making it a water world. That's right. Yes, exactly. But so yeah,

it looks pretty nuts and that's great. Yes, exactly. But, so, yeah. It looks pretty nuts, and that's great. What I like about it as well, it looks like that Max is not... He's not really a hero. He's the kind of guy who's like... Why make this situation? Not even an anti-hero, because he doesn't... He's never really clearly the victor, either. Right.

Like, he always kind of comes out not exactly on top. Yeah, true. Like, yeah. Yeah, he's always... Just got a weird crutch. Yeah. like he always kind of comes out not exactly on top yeah true like yeah yeah he's always and just like got a weird crutch yeah holding a crutch

that's it but I've said this before if you're going to watch the Mad Max movies just watch the second one if you haven't seen any of them just watch the second one first one's kind of boring

third one's too weird yeah that's it alright now you heard that Christian Bale recently said that he was kind of jealous to see Ben Affleck wearing the cape and cowl.

Like he had a moment of self-reflection. I think I know where this is going. Michael Keaton. Michael Keaton. That's right. He's very confident. They said to him, Michael Keaton in a recent interview, did you ever feel that, you know, when Batman was taken over from you? And his response was, no.

Do you know why? Because I'm Batman. I'm very secure in that that's pretty good yes that is good so that's that's a great response yeah he seems like he's got a good kind of uh attitude about the whole thing are we getting are we getting birdman soon i bloody hope so as well yeah because you know what they better because i'm just going to download it if they don't yeah exactly but i get it soon yeah yeah sorry hollywood sorry hollywood but you you messed up mate oh um

I don't know if this is on your news list did you hear about the Sony email hack boy have I I've actually got a whole bit on that specifically Spider-Man

or which part no a whole bunch of stuff um we talk about things that aren't Spider-Man because I've listed everything Spider-Man in my order

see I don't think I I don't think I specifically look for the Spider-Man because I don't have any interest um okay hang on. What's a good one?

One of my favourites, I think, is that apparently they proposed to Jonah Hill that they do a 21 Jump Street Men in Black crossover. And his response, his email was very... Very Jonah Hill. It's very Jonah Hill. Hang on, I'll find the line. So they were like, hey, how about this idea?

Men in Black, 21 Jump Street crossover. And he's like, Jump Street merging with MIB, I think that's clean and rad and powerful. That's great, right? I think, have you seen 22... Just imagine that in his voice. I know, right? Have you seen 22 Jump Street?

No. It's pretty good. Yep. 22 Jump Street also ends with, they do multiple sequels for 22 Jump Street. Oh, within the yep 22 Jump Street also ends with they do multiple sequels for 22 Jump Street like they have

like snippets oh okay right so they'll have like I think 23 Jump Streets med school and then one they become priests

and one they swap out Jonah Hill for Seth Rogen and it just goes right right it's like this enormous it's the funniest bit in the movie probably

it's like this ridiculous long running gag yep that just goes and goes and goes. And then the problem with that was, though, how do you make 23 Jump Street when they've made the joke of, look how ridiculous it is and look where these sequels could go. There's no way, no sequel they actually produce will have that novelty element to it and still work.

But this does. Clean and rad and powerful. I think, and I said this on Twitter, I think it's a brilliant idea. Because you reboot Men in Black. Could you describe it in like three words? Describe what the idea seems to you. I could have possibly.

I don't have the... Only Jonah Kill has the vocabulary to do that. So what do you think though? You're not on board with it, or...? Ah, now that I think about it, like, I wasn't initially, I think, because sci-fi elements... But they're both...

They're both comedies. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, okay. I just think it's a... I mean, it's been a long time since a good Men in Black film. It's been since the first Men in Black film. I mean, it's been less time since the best Men in Black rap men in black two black suits coming yeah sure some people actually got back to me on that one guy said i can't remember who i'm sorry he goes yeah i didn't even have to go to

listen to them he's like that was you're correct wow okay i'll also um so apparently it was like the the the leak was like 34 gig of stuff so there's a lot of so i reckon over the next couple of weeks people are are going to... Because I haven't seen it. I'm sure we can download it if we wanted to, but I'm not trawling through it. Yeah. But there's going to be a lot of stuff over the next few weeks. And a lot of it's like personal emails as well, which puts the...

There's some PowerPoints. There's some Sony PowerPoints. And it puts the executives in the shit. Like you said this thing about... Right, right. I know they paid out lean out of the cap forever turning down the S the sorkin yeah um the steve jobs movie yeah yeah okay here's here's uh here's a little powerpoint for grown-ups too uh so it's with the key themes friendship humor adventure loyalty fun now here's some sub sub themes target categories. I don't know what that means.

But one of them says automotive, beverage, grown-up jobs, men's issues slash potty humour. Pretty good, right? Pretty good. They're all my favourite things. There's one for the Smurfs. That's pretty good.

Be who you choose to be. That's important. That is important. Here's one for Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs. What's pretty good. Be who you choose to be. That's important. That is important. Here's one for Cloudy with a chance of meatballs. What do you mean, be who you choose to be? I don't know. It doesn't even make any sense. Yeah, I know.

Exactly. Okay, here's one. Cloudy with a chance of meatballs, too. Believe in yourself. Food is fun. You can't deny that. True friends value you for who you are. Rad.

Powerful. Rad, clean, powerful. Food and man living in harmony. Pretty good, right? As God intended. Okay, one more. This is on Gawker, by the way. Oh, there's so many of these.

God. Great. I'm happy to just, you to read through them. Okay, no, that's pretty good. Fuzz. Okay, right. Here's some After Earth. Famous Will Smith and Jaden Smith team-up film.

Yeah. Okay, under the tag Talent, it just says, Emphasize Will over Jaden. I wonder why that is. Okay. AfterEarth is an ecosystem of content and brand initiatives to begin launching in spring 2012. Vomit.

That's the worst. Themes, blah, blah, blah. Okay, target audience, M. Night fans. M. Night Shyamalan. And others. Extreme sport fans? Okay, but if that's... Jaden Smith fans.

How dare they? M. Night fans, but they didn't even put his name on the trailer. Yeah, I know. So that's clearly not a priority. No, not at all. Man, it's just... Under Amazing Spider-Man 2 One of the categories just says carbonated beverage Doesn't even make any

Antivirus? I want a Spider-Man Yeah, because he has blood That his blood's bloody magic I think I mean like an antivirus Like a software antivirus system Oh, okay Yeah

Yeah, maybe God, it's all the worst Anyway, I'm just going to list some more of those next week. Please do. That's some real insight. Well, actually, the Sony hackers, they're still unclear on who this is. So I'm saying North Korea. Also, these are the worst PowerPoints

ever. Like, they're absolutely the worst. You're saying that we could do a better one? We could definitely do better ones. And we're going to. Watch out, Sony. Now that all your ideas have been blown, now it's time for us to pitch some holiday films where holiday characters do some stunts. So they also said the Sony hackers released,

they released the files online, promised a larger Christmas gift that will put Sony pictures into the worst state. Oh, I cannot wait. I know. I'm presuming some kind of Santa Claus stunt. Oh, definitely. Man, yeah. I was like, oh, this is going to be a train wreck.

So good. I don't really think it's damaging though. I think it's getting people talking about Sony more than anything and their properties. I don't think it's that damaging. I mean, it's damaging personally. Yeah. But like a lot of these ideas, I think it's a good way for them to go, look at yourself. Look at what you're doing. This isn't good.

You need to shake it up. Oh, I see. I think it's a good thing. them to go, look at yourself. Look at what you're doing. This isn't good. You need to shake it up. Oh, I see. I think it's a good thing. This is a public shaming for Sony. Yes. Okay. Maybe. So there you go.

Star Wars. Oh, do you want to talk about the Spider-Man stuff? Oh, no. I'll come back to that. Okay, cool. Yeah. It's a lot. Star Wars, right?

Yes. They've released the names of some of the characters. Oh, they're ridiculous. Finn. All right. Rey. Okay Rey Kylo Ren Poe Dameron B-88 I think is the droid

or BB-8 the ball droid which is a practical effect apparently I looked at them and that blew my mind that's great my brother actually said this the one you don't like how do you make a toy the one you don't like right the how do you make a toy

out of that uh well wasn't isn't wasn't it the the news was mark hamill was on set yeah and he's like that thing's real they gave it a little thingamajig yeah um now what they'll do i think they'll what they'll probably do is they'll have like like one like a mini wheel at the bottom oh okay they'll have it spin yeah horizontally like a little ball bearing you kind of yeah yeah yeah yeah okay sure so they have the actual chassis thing of it's been horizontally yeah and it won't matter what and they're like a little like a tank tread thing at the bottom or whatever it's really good you should put together a powerpoint i will you like the planet of krypton what does does that mean? What's it known for, would you say? Being made of kryptonite and exploding. Yes, those are the two things.

But would you rather see that or would you rather see a Superman prequel TV series focusing on the life of Superman's grandparents as they attempt to bring peace to Krypton? Well, we know they fail. So that's a good start. Because there is a civil uprising. Correct.

And then the planet explodes. Planet explodes. So we sort of know where that's going to go. Yeah. So this is going to be a series is what I'm saying. There's no way out of this? No, this is happening. We can't leak some emails and get them to cancel it?

Yeah. How do you make a show where you inevitably... Everyone's going to die in an explosion? That's true, because there's no, like, it's not like, I can't think of a single sequel off the top of my head. But it can't be a case of, like, you see the prequel and you know how it's going to pan out. But you go, well, maybe some of those side characters will go and live happy lives and blah, blah, blah. Or they'll have their own spin-offs or we'll see them later or whatever. Everybody in Krypton has to die

like three people get off depending on the version so it's not even Jor-El either it's whoever

his grandpa his daddy I don't know who that is I can't even I don't know off the top of my head okay and you know what it's TV

how good can Krypton look on TV yeah that is a really good point because again there's no it's unlike the it's unlike Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. where they can just can Krypton look on TV? Yeah, that is a really good point. Because again, there's no... It's unlike Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. where they can just take the CGI

from the Marvel movies. Yeah. Like the Quinjet or whatever or the cloaking device thing. Or the car and whatever. Yeah, and just say... Oh no, the car's not in the movie. Sorry, go on.

And they can just say, we'll borrow those vector models or whatever and put them in the show. They're not sharing any of it so they're going to have to build Krypton from scratch so it's not going to look good I think it'll look a lot like

Gotham yes it'll be the other sides what they're going to do is they're just going to get the Gotham sets and turn them around and then spray paint them

like black with a star effect on the back and some rocks at the bottom yeah Krypton Krypton do you reckon they'd do like the glassy

crystal-y Krypton or the weirdy Zack Snyder be Yeah. Krypton. Krypton. Duh. Do you reckon they'd do like the glassy crystal-y Krypton or the weirdy Zack Snyder beehive Krypton? I like beehive Krypton more. Because it's different. Because I've seen the crystal Krypton forever.

Yeah, yeah. Give us more Kryptons. None of them look very interesting. Would you want to live on them? No, it looks terrible. Looks terrible. It looks sharp.

Looks like I'd take my eye out. Like I'd round a corner and I'd take my eye out. Yeah, yeah. Or get attacked by bees. Like you can't see any bees, but you know they're coming. No, I don't know. Like what society is that?

What entertainment do they have? I guess I'd be interested to know like how they're going to build the world. Yeah. Because it never looks interesting. It does in the comics. Yeah. I feel. What you see of it briefly.

Right, right, right. But also there's all sorts of monsters and creatures there that you're going to CGI them for the show. Like, you know what they'll do? They'll do, like, Origins of Doomsday and all that stuff. I guess so, yeah. Probably Brainiac. But if they do it Gotham style, it'll be so...

So many moustaches. No, no moustaches. No moustaches, but very, like, very ham-fisted kind of, you know? Yeah, yeah. Or maybe it'll be the greatest TV show ever open mind not really not really

do you uh did you see Saving Mr. Banks no it was about it was about Mary Poppins making Mary Poppins

wasn't that accurate to the story of Mary Poppins because the woman who wrote that notoriously hated it and then prevented any sequels from happening. Fantastic. She didn't like a bunch of stuff.

But anyway, John Lee Hancock, who directed that, is developing a McDonald's origin movie said to be in the style of There Will Be Blood and The Social Network. That sounds good. Because apparently that... Okay, so McDonald's was founded by, I think... It was two brothers. It was like Dick and Harry. Yeah, something like that. Two brothers.

And they created like a couple... Maybe one restaurant or a couple of restaurants. And they had like innovations that people didn't have, like thick shakes and what have you. Yeah, clowns. Yeah, clowns. Terrifying clowns. Have you seen some early Ronald McDonald stuff? In my nightmares, sure. Yeah, some earlier some early mcdonald mcdonald stuff in my nightmares yeah some of that early creatures oh gross anyway and then then some guy came and

became some entrepreneur came and was like oh you know i'll get you know what's better than a million dollars yeah exactly sorry god and and he was like okay we'll get this going for and then he just sort of shut him out like so so it became incredibly successful but they were out of the business i think so he's kind of social network so it is very there will be blood oh great in many ways he's drinking all sorts of thick shakes thank you there we go yeah well that you know what i saw that and i went that sounds dumb but now that you've said that i'd say that yeah yeah it's like a real jerk yes it does all right uh the teen titans tv series pilot will also shoot next year. Simply titled Titans.

Simply titled Titans. Why call anything by its full name? Because that would be silly. Don't call it Green Arrow. Just call it Arrow. Why call it Teen Titans when you can take a bloody thing off? Don't call it The Big Time Adventures of Commissioner Gordon. Just call it Gotham.

That's right. Idiots. Yeah. That's right. Don't call it Gotham That's right Idiots Yeah That's right Don't call it Boring Superman Call it Smallville Yeah Yeah they're excited

They say to finally bring the Dick Grayson story to Something Oh yeah I want to see some Dick Grayson That's great I mean television It's hit or miss But looking at like Arrow and whatever

You could do this You could do this you could do this i mean how do you be like where's batman don't worry about it yeah true be quiet yeah yeah so although batman spinoffs birds of prey that's how that's our number one yeah look back at that sort of thing so that is the prime example so is it yeah but no i want to see more nightwing yeah uh also disney's uh bob eiger he's doing all sorts of stuff he's doing the star wars the prime example. Is it? Yeah. But no, I want to see more Nightwing. Yeah. Also, Disney's Bob Iger,

he's doing all sorts of stuff. He's doing the Star Wars stuff and all that. He said, on the subject of Indiana Jones, we'd love to make another Indiana Jones movie, but we're pacing ourselves right now,

launching Star Wars first. Okay. Which, to me, implies that Harrison Ford will not be coming back wouldn't that imply that he is coming back because he's doing Star Wars

I would look at that from the perspective of this is at least four years away he's done by then, he's 80 by then maybe no he'd be mid 70s probably so I think that's the way to do it, though.

I want to see more Indiana Jones, but I don't need to see Harrison Ford. Pretty good. Hey, I have a piece of news. Sure. Transformers Age of Extinction has been put forward to the Academy Awards for a Best Picture nomination. They're nominated, they're like, for your consideration, Best Picture of the Year. And then a whole bunch of technical awards which they might be definitely but who cares yeah because they wanted to be

they they think it has a genuine shot at winning best picture of the year that can't be like i heard that but like they know that that's not gonna happen i don't think they do know that's not gonna happen i, come on. I'm sorry. Look, they are what they are. The promo picture for that is like all the main leads just running. It's just a wild bunch of them. Isn't that scene just before

the comedy relief guy gets turned to a weird metal statue? Is it that bit? No, it's Stanley Tucci's involved. He's making a face. I like the Tucci. Yeah, he's good, isn't he? They should have included the scene where he's drinking all that milk.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I remember that. On the rooftop milk. Yeah, the milk break. Yeah. Okay, great. Why would you do that?

I don't know. Maybe it's to sell Blu-rays or something. I don't know. There must be some reason behind that other than they genuinely think. I don't know. Yeah. The world's gone mad. It has gone mad. It has gone mad.

It's true. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul

to Paris and London. One woman has a secret. The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss is now streaming on Disney+.

Well anyway, going back to Spider-Man. Oh yes. So this is the last bit of news. I thought we'd just do this in one big chunk. I had one more bit of news. Sure. I'll just throw it there. Al Pacino went into a meeting with Marvel. He did, yeah. That's cool cool isn't it yeah

or is it cool I don't know we've discussed this he's not a good actor The Mandarin who are definitely who do you reckon

he could be Red Skull I reckon he might be an alright J. Jonah Jameson he would be a good J. Jonah Jameson he probably wouldn't be as good as J.K. Simmons.

No, he wouldn't. But if they're rebooting that somehow, like if they're like, because if we're talking Spider-Man, if they're like, we've got to bring Spider-Man back in the fold, but for whatever reason we can't have Garfield, we can't have J.K. Simmons, we can't have any old people. Yeah.

Pacino. Absolutely. Jonah Jameson. Ooh-ah, ooh-ah. Pictures of Spider-Man, ooh-ah. Alright, so old people. Pacino. Absolutely. Jonah Jameson. Who are? Who are? Pictures of Spider-Man. Who are? All right. So on the topic of Spider-Man, though, this Sony hack,

a lot of stuff came to light. There was also... Oh, actually, he said that he was super impressed by Guardians of the Galaxy. Oh, great. Okay. So I think the rumor is

that he will be doing some sort of space-based thing. Sure. And somebody, I think on Twitter, said, Ego the Living Planet. Who are? He's out in space. He's saying who are. Anyway, back to Spider-Man. That's all thing. Sure. And somebody, I think, on Twitter said, Ego the living planet. Who are?

He's out in space. He's saying who are. Anyway, back to Spider-Man. That's alright. Yeah, but so this SOTY hack, a lot of stuff came to light. A lot of, a lot of Spider-Man stuff,

specifically. Now Spider-Man at the moment, now Spider-Man at the moment, we've talked about this, it's a bloody, it's a hot mess. It's a shamozzle. God, is it?

But, weirdly though, and this same kind of uh graph keeps popping up uh-huh spider-man delightful powerpoint it's really great yep but spider-man by far sells the most merchandise oh yeah of any super carbonated beverages yes i'll show you the list in a minute well i mean that and that's fascinating to me like even more so than than batman which is which is pretty incredible. And that shows how much people like this character, specifically kids. Carbonated beverage, gas station slash petrol, branded confectionery slash gum, they've misspelled confectionery, adhesives, Spider-Man.

Spider-Man, sure. Anti-virus, watches, travel, electricity, because it's Spider-Man 2, I guess. Oh, yeah. Salty snacks. This is QSR, I don't know what that means. I'm not going to look that 2, I guess. Oh, yeah. Salty snacks. This is QSR. I don't know what that means. I'm not going to look that up. I don't know what that means either.

No. Sorry, he sells a lot of merchandise. Boy, does he. Yeah. So, a whole lot of these stories kind of were drip-fed over the week. So, I'm just going to go through them. I've kind of put them into a weird...

I've kind of put them into a weird kind of order, but we'll just see how this goes. No order. Yeah, pretty much. Okay, so one of the first things that was said was Marvel and Sony apparently at one point entered into negotiations to bring Spider-Man back into the Marvel fold, right?

Specifically for the Civil War storyline, which as we know from the comics, is not incredibly Spider-Man heavy, but he plays a pivotal role in that story. Apparently the split would have been 60-40, right? In favor of Sony. No, no, in favor of Marvel. Because they would take creative control.

They would basically do everything. And, you know, also, Marvel owned the merchandise rights as well. So, Sony would only get a 40% cut. Apparently, the executives in the US, not on board with this. Japanese executives, very much on board with it. Because they're like, this isn't, you're not doing this well. Right, right, right. Let's just cut our losses and whatever.

Yeah. If Spider-Man isn't going to be driving a giant robot, and he's a stunt driver in his spare time, we're not interested. And also apparently Civil War would then spin off into the Sinister Six movie. Oh yes. With possibly Venom or Carnage as the villain. That's a smart move. Because Spider-Man, the amazing Spider-Man 2, tried to sort of set that up.

Again, made a bloody botched job of it. Which they had a whole lot of stuff at the end where they walk through the Oscorp tech and there's just all the Sinister Six outfits just ready to go. So every origin comes out of that bloody basement. This is a military prototype for vulture powers. You know how the military are always wanting vulture powers. Yep. Yep.

The Russo brothers also who did Captain America and are saying, also in the Sony leak, it was said that they are doing the Avengers Infinity War movies, which we've talked about before. But they said they will produce these movies. They offered to do that, which I think would be also pretty good. Yeah.

In among this, some Sony executives were saying they want Sam Raimi to return to the franchise. Yeah. In among this, some Sony executives were saying they want Sam Raimi to return to the franchise. Huh. Right? But another Sony executive said that he went full Joel Schumacher on the third one.

Uh-huh. And they don't need him anymore. Right. Hang on, what does the term full Joel Schumacher mean? Batman and Robin. Right. Did it?

I don't think so. And you know what? Look, I don't think they should get Sam Raimi back. I don't think he would do it, for don't think so. And you know what? The issue... Look, I don't think they should get Sam Raimi back. I don't think he would do it, for one. But the issue with Spider-Man 3 is not Sam Raimi. The issue was the studio interference, which is, again, meaning the issue with these Spider-Man films ever since then, ever since that point.

Does full Joel Schumacher mean that he went... Like, not that it's super technical or anything, but he just... Like, he went off the rails? Yes, I think so. Like, because, like, I mean, in the sense that, like, they said, hey, put Venom in Spider-Man 3. Yeah. And he's like, okay, I will, but then I'm going to kill him straight away. Yeah.

And then you can't use him ever again. You'll see his skeleton in the explosion. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Which means he's gone forever. He's definitely dead. Yeah. Is it that kind of thing? I mean, was Schumacher like, I'm going to go totally crazy on this?

Like you would not believe. Yeah. Maybe that's what they mean. It's very possible. Like he's off his bloody leash. You know, he's gone crazy. I think anything he did in that is a reaction to the kind of the restraints that were put on him.

Because he was even back on board for Spider-Man 4 at one point. Oh, yeah. And it just got to the point where he was like, you know what? I don't need this. And then he went off and made that one about going to hell or whatever. Drag me to hell. Drag me to hell. Yeah. Which isn't bad, actually.

Anyway, at the same time this is going on, apparently Andrew Garfield is out, regardless of what happens. Marvel don't want him if he goes, apparently. Huh. But he's also... One of the main reasons he he's out because Sony Japan had a board meeting and he cancelled

an hour before he was supposed to turn up Andrew Garfield did yeah celebrity star Andrew Garfield celebrity star they were like

we don't like this guy he's clearly you know thinks he's a big Hollywood big shot with his big hair and his handsome face big hair and his big scarves yeah

so yeah there's also talk also that if Marvel get it they want to strip it right back to a teenager again. Not hire Andrew Garfield, who's maybe 31, 32, get an actual teenager to do it, which I think is a good idea. There is somebody out there who is a teenager that could do that. It's a hard find. It's one of us.

It's one of us, yes. It's a hard find. Yes. But it is possible. And also, but Sony on the other hand are thinking, let's take this the other way. Let's do an adult Spider-Man. Oh, yes. And they're talking about bringing in...

Like a porno. Yeah, kind of. Yeah. Sure. Good. That's all I need to know. And bringing someone like... Apparently they want...

A porn star. A porn star, yeah. Uh-huh. Apparently they want like porn star a porn star yeah apparently they want like a Ryan Gosling sure but like a porno like a porno version of Ryan Gosling

yeah so Ryan Chisling edit that out now leave it in I don't care which I think both of those ideas

are better though see you know you take a you take it in a different direction right okay but apparently the version that Sony want to do is going to be...

They want to do their version different than anything they've done before. They want to do it like James Bond in the sense where different people can come on board and take creative control, and it's fine. People just accept that it's a different actor, it's a slightly different universe,

but they don't want to do another origin story. Good. I know, right? Do it in two... You can do it in two minutes. You can do it in the... Hey, I'm on a science trip to this school. Oh, a spider I've been bitten and then I have the powers.

At this point, if he is the most profitable character that makes the most merchandise, there is no one on the planet that does not know spider-man's origins i reckon what they should do is they should just they should do like a two minute origin story and then put like a qr code up on the screen and if you're still confused you scan it and it like maybe it shows it just says you're an idiot yeah or it shows you the clip from spider-man one like you just watch it in the theater while everybody else watches the actual movie. Sure, I'll be happy with that. But also, the story that apparently Sony are looking at,

which I'm actually on board for, is Kraven The Last Hunt, which I think recently, or sometime recently, was voted, like, one of the best, or the best Spider-Man story. I don't think I've read it. You read it? No.

Don't have time. You're making QR codes, you're doing all sorts of things. But it's where Spider-Man is hunted by Kraven, obviously, whose ultimate goal is to hunt the best game in the world and be the world's greatest hunter and apex predator and whatever. Wear that line on his chest. Yes, that's right. And he riddles Spider-Man with bullets, thinking he's dead, buries him,

and then puts on the Spider-Man costume and then goes Spider-Man-ing. Yeah, he is. But then it's kind of like what happened with Batman and Azrael. Yes. Where he's brutal and he's not a good Spider-Man because there's more to Spider-Man than just having powers. You've got to be a hero and have love in your heart, mate. Yeah, that's true.

They say a hero can save us. I'm not going to stand in that. I'm sorry. That's the one. So, yeah, and the point being of that movie is that not anybody can be Spider-Man. You've got to have this specific mix of things where you've got to grow up a certain way and have this influence from your aunt and uncle and then whatever, great power, whatever. So that sounds better.

That being said, do you think Marvel needs Spider-Man for Civil War or at all? No. Me neither. Yeah. Like, it stands on its own. Yeah, and they have enough... Like, at this point, they're making big waves

with characters that aren't big names. Like, they're selling Guardians of the Galaxy. People are excited for Ant-Man. They're excited for Captain Marvel. They're excited for all those characters. The Inhumans, whatever. Yeah. They're probably going to make lots of...

Is there a lot of Guardians of the Galaxy merchandise? I think so, yeah. Action figures and stuff. Is that Dance and Tree? Oh, yeah, definitely. All that stuff. That I think... I don't think they're going to need it.

I think maybe it's more trouble than it's worth. Yeah. I think they'll probably do a projection. They'll be like, well, you know, this is going to cost us a billion dollars. Yeah. Or we could just sell a billion dollars worth of Guardians merchandise. Yeah, exactly. And we're on top, yeah.

And it's no loss for them in terms of merchandise because they still have merchandise. So what does it matter? I don't know. I just feel like they should just bench him. Yes, and I think we've said this before that unless they get a recognisable Spider-Man like Andrew Garfield at this point

to team up with the Avengers we know, what's the point? Okay, well, what if you just didn't unmask him? No, I don't like it. They have to at some point, surely. Yeah. Okay. That's the point of Civil War, I guess.

In the actual Marvel Universe, how many characters remain masked? Like, none, right? Not many. Yeah. Yeah. Tony, no. Thor, no. Hulk, no.

And I think, and again, if we're talking Civil War, the point of that is that Spider-Man unmasks. Yeah. But in the cinematic Marvel Universe, very few people actually have that secret identity. No, that's right. And all the secret identity stuff was dumped onto the internet anyway. Yeah. Captain America 2. Exactly.

And again, like we talked about before, so the focus of the story would then shift to, it's more about the government making you work for them as opposed to you being able to like be a daredevil oh he's a masked one you then go out and do it on your own accord yeah without you know being paid necessarily i mean he probably takes money from people yeah after he beats them so definitely yeah so yeah so we are in agreeance just bench him yeah yeah bench, bench him. Yeah, bench him. Maybe kill him. Maybe get Al Pacino. Who are?

I'm shooting webs. Who are? Okay, so this is from Matt Ockman. Oh, yes. The official beard power lifter of the show who wants to shout out for his friend Gary Baker who got him on the show. Who got him onto the show. Didn't get him on the show. No.

You're not that good a friend. Says it would cause a mental fire in his brain. Yeah, he wanted to know what we all thought of all that. And that's what we did. We just said, alright? What are you bloody listening? Jesus. So, yeah.

That's all good stuff. So, look, that's Spider-Man and whatever. And that's our opinion and let's never bring him up. Also, another thing from the Sony, like,, Spectre is over budget by $50 million. Oh, that's amazing, right? Yeah. That was quick. How is that even possible?

I don't know, but it's like a $300 million movie at this point. How? I don't know. Look, I'm not an accountant. No? Oh, no, I am an accountant. Yeah, you're right. Absolutely.

All right, all right. Well, look, let's get on to the mid-season finales, Mason, because there's been a few of them. I'm a karate accountant. Special kind. The special kind. We've spent this year watching all sorts of TV shows, haven't we? Boy, have we.

Some against our will. Would you say that you would have watched all of these? Well, we're going to look at Arrow, we're going to look at Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., we're going to look at The Flash. Would you have watched all of these if you didn't have to do this podcast? No. I'm kind of burnt.H.I.E.L.D., we're going to look at The Flash. Would you have watched all of these if you didn't have to do this podcast? No. I'm kind of burnt out. I'm kind of burnt out on Arrow a little bit.

Yeah, I can feel that. It's a good show. Side note, I finally played Injustice. One of the downloadable characters' skins is Green Arrow. It's The Arrow. Oh, really? It's Stephen Amell's voice.

That's fun. No way. That's awesome. Maybe I should get that on Vita, PlayStation Vita. Stop talking about your Vita. vita god i say we go why don't we talk about agents of shield first because that's a separate thing and then we'll do flash a lot of people challenge me on twitter to to play online with an injustice okay hot tip you'll win no point i'm not good at video games

but thank you for the offer thank you yeah thank you for the threat yeah yeah so agents of shield obviously has improved yes right do you feel that i feel it has yeah and also i feel it has but it's still you know what it is it's kind of claustrophobic i feel you're like you're trapped in what watching it like you that's but also when i think of like a big marvel movie like the avengers yeah it's all out in the world and they're fighting in the city streets and they're kind of you know they're fighting in the air and all that sort of stuff they're fighting on freeways yeah agents of shield they're always fighting in a little catacomb or something yeah or like in a corridor or an office building or that plane yeah and i read i was reading an article from something somewhere probably on the

internet and then they were they made a point about agents of shield and that's right that's you know it's more about agents of shield is about the little guy in the world universe like if you know the hulk jumps on a car and smashes the car and then jumps away, the movies focus on the Hulk, the TV shows focus on the person who's in the car. The guy in that car. Guy in the car. He's dead. Just FYI.

And I understand that, and that makes sense, but it's not always that interesting. No. It's kind of... It's not. That being said, I think it's... I think they learn a lot of lessons from the first season, in particular the first season, in particular

the first half, until they had that Hydra reveal. And I think bringing on an expanded cast, making Jake Chisel a bad guy, those are interesting. Oh, but we're going to spoil these, right? Oh yeah, spoilers and whatever. That was from last season. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to spoil all these shows to the extent we can remember them. Yeah.

We're going to spoil all these shows to the extent we can remember them. Yeah. And I feel like as well, I feel like if you let go of that this exists in the cinematic Marvel Universe more, you can kind of be more forgiving of it. Right. Because I think the expectations are incredibly high for this show. Because I think something like an Agent Carter or when Daredevil comes out, whatever. Agent Carter is obviously not set in the same time as the movie. So I think people will kind of give that more of a free pass initially,

unless it's terrible. But I think this, you got to look at it, you got to more look at it like that it's not part of the MCU. Right. Even though it clearly is. Even though it definitely is. Yes. So you've got to go in a complete 180 to what they've definitively said it is.

Yes. Just go away from that. Don't think about the thing they've definitely said said it is. Yes. Just go away from that. Don't think about the thing they've definitely said that it is. Yeah, because otherwise you're just waiting for a movie to come out and then the show to change. And that's not really a way to look at a show. It's like the commercials in between a movie, like on a TV show, you know what I mean?

You're just trading water. But at the same time, it should stand on its own, right? I agree completely, but I think if you look at it that way, it helps you see it as a standalone show. What you're saying is lower your expectations. That's exactly what I'm saying. Super duper. Yeah. And I don't know.

I mean, you know, they brought in the Inhumans kind of city and whatever. So that's kind of the biggest revelation of this season. Yeah. Which apparently they've been building up for, you know, a year and a half or whatever. Yeah. Is that Sky... Yeah, is that Skye... Yeah, is in Inhumans. Yeah, Skye, well, yes, she's in Inhumans.

Correct. She is... Well, okay, in the series, we reveal that her real name is Daisy, and that she is Cal's daughter. And Cal clearly is Calvin Zabo, who is Mr. Hyde. Yeah. Who is super strong and crazy. Yes. Well, he's a genius, but he's crazy. Great hair.

Great. So, yeah. I feel he was... A lot of people have said, oh, he's really acting up a storm in that show. I reckon he's chewing a lot of scenery. He's chewing a lot of scenery. I like that guy. He was in the Sandworm movie.

Dune. Dune. Dune. Dune with a J. No. With a D. Dune. And Sex and theune. Dune with a J. No, with a D. Dune. And Sex and the City. And Sex and the City, yeah.

Other stuff. He played Trey. And literally hundreds of other things, but I can't remember any of them. The sequel to Dune with a J. It wasn't a sequel. No. It wasn't one. No.

Yeah, I feel that as well. And so she is... She's Daisy, so she... And it's implied that she's Daisy Johnson, who is quite... In the comic book universe, she's Quake. She's in S.H.I.E.L.D. Yeah.

She was part of a storyline called Secret War, which came out a lot of years ago. I would say like 2003. Yeah. Comic, why she looks exactly like Angelina Jolie, because she was released in that era where people just traced... Wait, is that a coincidence?

Is that a coincidence? Yeah, it's definitely that a coincidence? Yeah, it's definitely a totally coincidence. Not a weird, not a weird tracing scandal. They, people just got away with it for a few years and like the mid two thousands. Quite a long time.

Wasn't it? It's like people didn't realize that we have the internet. Like, yeah, exactly. Yeah. There's a, and I think,

I don't know if we specifically talked about this, but if you look at, if you go to like the Wikipedia page of Nick Fury, you go to Ultimate Nick Fury, and it's like in the Ultimate Universe, Nick Fury looks exactly like Samuel L. Jackson. He was modelled on Samuel L. Jackson with the explicit

approval of actor Samuel L. Jackson. Not true. Like, absolutely not. No. Definitely not. That did not happen. I remember seeing an interview before this all happened where he was like yeah i know like that is strange isn't it but they're like you should be nick fury he's like well yeah because they've clearly just stolen my likeness yeah exactly i think i but he's like let me get done with this mace window thing let's see how that

plays out yeah definitely that's gonna work out well for me i see a lot of me in the sequels but yeah clearly he just like I enjoy him on screen I think he's great me too in pretty much everything yeah but clearly he would have been like

okay so my lawyers are going to sue you for millions and millions of dollars yeah but I noticed you are making some movies yeah and you need a director of S.H.I.E.L.D.

yeah maybe it could be me or maybe Hasselhoff yeah maybe bring Hasselhoff back Bear in mind that Hasselhoff's lawyers Aren't as good as my lawyers

Yes exactly So Yeah But yeah the tracing era Yeah I think Hasselhoff looks a lot like Nick Fury though Yeah Like that's

I mean I don't think they traced him Right sure But if he was a better actor No they traced David Hasselhoff From comic book Nick Fury That's how he was born Anyway she's gonna be Quake So she's got Quake powers and et cetera. Sounds really great.

Or Quake. Doesn't rhyme, does it? No. But, yeah, look. There's all sorts of revelations and stuff, like you mentioned. They had some people die. Blake Chisel was killed. Was turned to ash.

But in just a sort of a... He kicked a crystal. Yeah. And then he turned to ash. In in just a sort of a... He kicked a crystal. Yeah. And then he turned to ash. Very half-hearted way. Yeah. He was just... I thought they were going to kill the other guy.

Lance Hunter? The one who helps out. Yeah. Is that his name? I think so. The guy who helps out Fitz. That's a very... I think, I feel that in creating that character, they borrowed heavily from us.

Okay. Jake Chisel, Lance Hunter, come on. Come on, guys. It's very possible. Yeah, look, to be honest, there's not a hell of a lot I have to say about it. I can't highly recommend it. The entire series or just the last episode?

Look, I genuinely like it. I think it's a solid piece of television. But if this wasn't a thing that we did, I probably wouldn't watch it. What about that guy with the no eyes? What's his deal? Who's that guy? Right at the end

he picks up a phone and he's like something's happened and it's pretty weird. I don't remember that. Right at the end? I do other things when I watch it.

Oh right sure. Okay. What guy? There was a there's a bloody right at the end. Do you mean no eyes or like pasted over eyes?

What are we talking about? Yeah yeah pasted over eyes. Okay. He had like a blanks where his eyes could be. He's probably Kenshi from Mortal Kombat. Oh, it's almost certainly Kenshi from Mortal Kombat. You're right.

Okay. So who's a no-eyed kind of character from the comics? He might be in... There was a limited series called Inhuman. Yeah. There's a character in that called The Reader. Yeah. He's not eyeless, but he's blind.

Yeah. Like he could... He was one of those characters where if he read something, it would come to life. Yeah. He's not eyeless, but he's blind. Yeah. Like, he could... He was one of those characters where if he read something, it would come to life. Oh. And so, the other Inhumans considered him too powerful, and so they blinded him. But I don't think that's him, because... How would they paper his eyes over, right? Yeah.

There's another guy... Starts with a V. I couldn't tell you his name off the top of my head. But he's another inhuman and he he has eyes once again great

but he can sort of spring him out on stalks and put him on somebody's head and read their mind his name escapes me I'm gonna look it up

Springstalks yeah Springstalks man yeah what are you googling to find that guy I'm just googling Eyeless Man right

that'll work won't it did you while you're doing that guy? I'm just Googling Eyeless Man. Right? That'll work. Won't it? Did you... While you're doing that, did you watch the trailer for the first clip from Agent Carter? Vinimus. Vinimus. Yep. Okay.

Yeah. Did you watch the trailer for Agent Carter? No. I didn't either. No, I didn't either. Okay, right. Yeah. That's only like...

They're only doing like an eight episode run or whatever. So, I think that's a good way to start. I think they went too much too soon with Agent of Steel S.H.I.E.L.D. I think they got carried away and then they got caught. They got carried away with being kind of boring. That's it. Look, I shouldn't rubbish this. You know what?

I probably, you know, I probably would watch it. But again, like I've said before, all in one go. Oh, really? Okay. You think it'll stand alone? You think it'll stand out better as a huge chunk? No, but I think... Oh, you said the opposite.

But I feel like I'd have to know what's going on before the next movie or whatever, even though most of it's inconsequential. Right, right. I mean, we know the Inhumans are coming. Yeah. We already knew that before they were kind of introduced to this in the show. This is an interesting...

Do you think that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch will be Inhumans? Yes. In Avengers 2? Well, actually, you know what? Probably not, or maybe a mixture of that and the Loki staff, because I think that's the gems unlocking the mind, mate. Oh, it is too.

You're right. Okay, yeah. You don't pay attention. Nah. Yeah, maybe. That might be it. I have a sense that they'll be like, okay, what mutants do we have legal access to?

Yeah. Let's make them Inhumans. Yeah. Because it's more or less the same thing, except that instead of like, you know, their powers are unlocked by, you know, growing up or some sort of traumatic event or whatever. Yeah.

Then it'll be, you get exposed, there'll be like some sort of Terrigen mist bomb that goes off and everybody caught in the blast will get the powers there's been a lot of requests actually for us to do an Inhumans episode

okay we can do that can you do it though oh okay right can you explain I can do that yeah sure good good

fantastic actually I've got an email here we go black box no I'm not going to do it now this is from Matt

Ostrowski oh yes hello James Mason I'm not going to do it now. This is from Matt Ostrowski. Oh, yes. Hello, James and Mason. I'm writing with a question for James. He seems to be on the same page as me when it comes to the cinematic Hawkeye. All right, I'm going to tune out then. My question is, what do you think of having Hawkeye and possibly even Black Widow make the occasional appearance in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.?

Even though the show is definitely getting better, I feel like giving Hawkeye something to do in between cameos. I love the show. Keep up doing what you're doing. The next episode of your podcast happens to release on my 23rd birthday, so there's not too much to ask. I'd love from you dudes and your American accents to validate my existence. That was my American accent.

Yeah, happy birthday, mate. Yeah. I've been working on it. Forget about having a bad birthday, mate. No, it's good. Yeah, what do you think? Cameos from someone like Hawkeye. Well, he didn't ask me, so...

I mean, I've got a really good answer, but he didn't ask me specifically, so... What do you reckon, mate? I think that's a good idea. I think one way to improve the show would be more cameos, though even though I just said before, don't lick it to think of it as something different. But I think that makes it a little bit more exciting.

I like it when a Maria Hill comes in or a Sif or whoever. Jeremy Renner did bloody Louis. So why wouldn't he do this? He did an episode of Louis or a couple of episodes of Louis. He doesn't want to get typecast. No. He did that

SNL sketch that really you don't like it's not good yeah alright fine it's not well written and it's badly paced

no shut up it's badly paced yeah but almost SNL sketches are badly paced yeah I know but not only that

he doesn't have the comedy chops or he clearly just was reading off an autocue or whatever that was made I tell you what

I'm not a comedy writer but if you you're telling me the comedy chops or he clearly just was reading off an autocue or whatever that was made. I tell you what, I'm not a comedy writer, but if you... You're telling me. If you gave me... If you gave me Jeremy Renner, I could write a better sketch than that. Right. Even without Jeremy Renner?

No. I need Renner. You need him as your muse. You know what? No. You know what? That's ridiculous of me to say that I could write a better sketch. I couldn't, but I think you could do something better than that.

Okay. Someone go online and watch it and tell me that that's, like, it's not funny. I'm sorry. You've got a real beef. Did this sketch beat you up when you were a child? Yes, it did. Yeah, that's what I figured. So, yeah.

But if you were to improve this show... When you're stuffed into a locker and for what if somehow, like in high school and in that locker was some sort of like warp to a, like a time warp. And the only thing you could observe was that episode of SNL. You just had to watch that for hours and hours. Do you ever watch SNL? No. I watch the occasional skit on the internet. It has its high points and its low points.

I would imagine, like if you're a big fan of it, on balance, it would be a good show. Sure. But there would be a lot of misses in there. Yeah. I think they say on the indoor kids that everybody thinks that the golden age of SNL is gone or whatever. And everything new is terrible.

But apparently whatever you grow up on, that's the era that you remember fondly. And if you go back and watch all that early stuff, 80% of it, probably more, is garbage. Yeah, so, anyway. How would you improve Agents of Shieldmason? More costumes. go back and watch all that early stuff yeah 80 of it probably more is garbage right yeah so anyway well how would you improve agents of shield mason more costumes yep more explosions yep uh lots of expensive expensive special they've really yeah just waiting to write every episode make it the avengers but a tv series those are all valid uh points that you bring up yeah none

of that's going to happen, except for more costumes. I like that they're bringing in more people, like more comic book characters. I felt it was very busy also. Again, I'm never going to be happy. So you said busy and claustrophobic. Yes. Like an elevator.

Yeah, like a crowded elevator. It's stuck. Yeah. It's stuck. Everyone's about to go home from work, and then it got stuck, so you're stuck between floors. And everyone's in a costume. Everyone's in. Yeah. It's stuck. Everyone's about to go home from work. And then it got stuck. So you're stuck between floors. And everyone's in a costume.

Everyone's in a costume. And there's a weird... Like a weird... Artifact. And if you accidentally touch it, you turn to stone and you die. But you're in the elevator. Yeah.

And a guy has farted. And you need to move away from him. But the weird artifact is right next to you. So what do you do? You breathe in that fart yeah anyway so that's agency shield that's what i'm saying all right well that's that's an apt metaphor i think so let's move on to arrow arrow or the flash just give me some superheroes in the show yep and just don't be like okay they've been created from inhuman dna or whatever just have

them appear like he's a guy and he's got superpowers. She's a girl, she's got superpowers. And now they're doing superpowery stuff. Let's investigate that. Yep. And they've got a costume and they're like, look, I was inspired by Iron Man and Captain Wreck or whatever. I've got a costume. Now I'm fighting crime.

For TV, this costume looks okay, don't you think? Yeah, it looks pretty okay. Sure. All right then. Arrow. Okay. I've just got here. I like it.

Okay, good. Like I said I'm burning out a little bit Yeah You know the The flashback Flashforward system Yes

Yep It's novel It was novel Now it's a bit predictable Now it's like reading A boring novel Yeah There we go

Yeah You're right It is interesting Like it can be Yeah But yeah You could drop out of that I like his different hair

Me too Easy to tell If it's the Modern day or the past Because of the different hair Yeah Yeah I like

You know what They've done a really good job Of showing his progression That's true And training They haven't rushed it No they haven't done Gotham style

No They haven't really done A time jump Yeah Or anything And I guess Maybe the reason They haven't done that

Is only because green arrows rogues gallery isn't as well known yeah like if we if he had you know 20 30 villains that everybody knew and people were like oh it's like the joker kind of thing yeah i reckon they would have seeded really obvious references them all throughout the series yeah it's just because we it's just the public at large don't know about them yeah that you know you know i'm talking about i know what you're saying thank you with your words but also it's pretty well written yeah it's probably it's the best it's the best written i mean it is soap opera and yeah and whatever but so are comic books well that's right yeah exactly i think it's the best written of the comic book series okay i'll pay that yeah but to be. I think it's the best written of the comic book series.

Okay, I'll pay that. Yeah, but to be fair though, also, it's had the longest time. Unless you point out that one of them is better written, in which case I'll probably agree with you. I can't. No, exactly. But it's also, it's had the longest time to develop. That's true. So, you know, that's good also. He does have that good hair though, doesn't he?

It's great. You can really tell. Yeah. Yeah. I like, though, they've never kind of really shied away, or maybe a little bit in the first season, than bringing in villains from the comics. It's never been.

And they do a good job of representing them on the screen. Like we just saw Captain Boomerang. Was that in The Flash? I don't know. Can't remember. It was in one of them. No, it was Arrow because they took one of the boomerangs to Central City for the Flash tournament. And it was like, yes, that is a boomerang. That is definitely the boomerangs to Central City.

Yeah. For the Flash to examine. And he was like, yes, that is a boomerang. That is definitely a boomerang. You are correct in your assumption. You are correct in naming him Captain Boomerang. There's a nice line in that crossover episode of The Flash. Yeah.

Where Arrow's like... Green Arrow. Yeah, sorry, Green Arrow. He's like, what are you naming all your villains now? Yeah. He's like, oh, sorry, I forgot about... I like, what are you naming all your villains now? Yeah. He's like, oh, sorry, I forgot about, you know, I forgot that I shouldn't give them sensible names like Deadshot and Bronze Tiger or whatever.

Yeah, yeah. I was going to say, they've kind of expanded his crew. Yes. Which I like as well. The Roy, what's his name? Is it Roy Harper? It's Roy Harper. Yeah, he's okay, you know.

You think he's too scrappy don't you no not at all I think he's fine yep yeah that was they've done well

I feel like a lot of Arrow also is in response to and a lot of these shows are in response to fans being like we want to see more of this we want to see Roy Harper step up

we want to see more whatever and you know the return of China White and whoever I feel like a lot of that is a response to that but also like the fighting in this.

We want to see more Fish Mooney. That's what the Fall of the Fans say. We want more Gotham's Fish Mooney. Can we get a Fish Mooney crossover in Arrow, please? We don't know how, but we want it. Speaking of J-Raw, we did a video together. It'll be out later this week. If you don't know him, subscribe to him, Mason, on YouTube.

I'm doing it now. I'm physically not moving. He said that, I said I like the fighting and he said he's not super impressed with it. Where do you stand on it? I quite like it.

Me too. You know what, part of the reason why I like it is I remember what it was like when we were growing up or even 10 years ago. The fighting,

this is probably the best, some of the best TV fighting we've seen. Yes. A lot of... Like Birds of Prey, if we're going to go back that far. Please. Those action sequences were A, terrible,

and B, they just ripped off better films. Like The Matrix? They were ripped straight out of The Matrix moves. They're like, this character's a little bit metahuman, so let's have them kind of like... Right at the end of the first Matrix, where Agent Smith and neo like they jump together in the air and they sort of lock hands they spin around and they fall down yeah that that was that's straight up in birds of prey to be fair though i never got sick of that okay right yeah fair enough it always felt fresh

especially for tv oh yes that's an effect you could definitely pull off on TV. Oh, definitely. Yeah. I'm so glad that people have stopped doing that Matrix thing, though. Yeah. Where it looks more like guys just really punching each other, which I appreciate.

Yeah, it's good, isn't it? Yeah, like, you know, even like the way, like, a lot of that arrow firing is obviously CGI. Like, his quick draw is very quick, too quick to be real.

Yeah. A lot of the time. Yeah, I guess so. But that's, you know. I'm okay with that, but I Yeah. A lot of the time. Yeah, I guess so. But that's, you know. I'm okay with that, but I'm saying, but it looks good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I appreciate that everybody is, you know, I kind of like that heightened reality where a lot of people are kind of,

they're not superhuman, but it's a tiny bit unbelievable. Like I remember in like season one, when we see like an early appearance of Deathstroke and somebody fires an arrow at him and he just catches it like it's nothing. Like nobody can do that. It's impossible, but. just catches it like it's nothing. Nobody can do that. It's impossible. Well, actually, that can be done. Not that easily,

but there is a guy, I've seen him do it, where he can catch arrows. We're talking about The Matrix. Somebody asked me a while back, and we've had this conversation before, do we think that superhero movies are going to fall, we're going to get an overload of them. We say this every week. We say this every week. I had a different thought

about it. I've been saying... You can't change your opinion on something. No, I'm definitely going to do it. I might change it back next week. But we have been saying, yeah, it's going to reach this saturation point. But I was thinking about The Matrix. I mean, there's a reason they stopped making those. A, because the sequels But I was thinking about The Matrix.

There's a reason they stopped making those. A, because the sequels weren't very good. And B, because people like other movies started building in that watered down versions of all the combat and all the settings and stuff like that. But that's more difficult to do in a superhero context. more difficult to do in a like in a superhero context okay because you need you need a it's really difficult to get a superhero movie off the ground that isn't based on an actual comic book universe yeah so it's got so like marvel have been pacing out their their movies so each one feels more like it still feels like an event yeah and they've all been good well yeah more yeah more or less yeah so so it's so they're all you know that's they've kept they've kept a certain standard of quality so in order for people to really overload it's going to take

like different like like smaller production houses and smaller... Okay, yeah. To make their own superheroes. Okay, sure. Kind of like ward down bad versions of those. Yep, yep. And then people will get sick of it kind of thing. Okay, sure.

But they can't do that because they don't have the properties. The big ones, yeah. Yeah, they don't have the big ones, exactly. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

Okay, that's a really good point. So I'm saying maybe, maybe this is going to be like, maybe superhero could actually become like an established genre. Like, you know, you've got your cop films and you've got your...

Or not even specifically superhero, you're talking like a comic book universe. Yeah, comic book universe. Like, you know, you've got your cop films and you've got your... Well, not even specifically superhero. You're talking like a comic book universe. Yeah, comic book universe. Like, not necessarily like your standard Superman or Spider-Man. Like, you're talking like a... Just a superhero generally. Okay, sure.

I think that could work, you know, because you've got cop films and you've got romantic comedies or whatever. Yeah. I reckon superhero could kind of... Become its own genre. But, yeah, but again, you know, assuming that

it doesn't get watered down. Yeah, okay. If it's just Marvel DC, maybe one other. Okay. Maybe some Hancock sequels. Please. But I think also the strength of... This is probably me slightly changing my opinion also.

I just had a thought that there are many genres you can do within a superhero. Yeah. If superhero itself is a genre. There's a lot you can do with that. Yes. So make a western superhero when we had our jonah hex didn't we boy did we but you can there's a lot of ways you can take this so yeah maybe it maybe there's more life in this than we'd give a credit for yeah or maybe it's all over tomorrow i guess we'll we'll know tomorrow we'll definitely know tomorrow if that's the case yeah yeah i want to talk about though specifically the last episode.

Okay, yep. I loved that Ra's al Ghul fight. Yeah. What did you think? You know what they've done? They've gone, we can't have a shirtless Batman Ra's al Ghul fight. Jacob's actually written in. He's the official Floridian.

Yeah, from Florida. Yeah, yeah. He said the exact same thing. He goes, anyway, I was wondering what your thoughts on Arrow recreating the sword fight scene with Ra's al Ghul or Ra's al Ghul whatever you want to call him but instead of Bruce Wayne they used Oliver Queen

because Bruce Wayne you can't use him obviously yeah that's that well that's how you gotta fight you gotta fight shirtless if you're gonna fight

you're gonna fight against a league of I love that when they go shirts off I'm like yes that's how you do it yeah

I wish that the only thing would have been great if he kept his Arrow mask on yeah like yes that's how you do it yeah I wish that the only thing would have been great if he kept his arrow mask on yeah definitely because that's when Batman fights shirtless

off and he's just got the cowl yeah you're saying the hood he keeps the hood on just the hood sorry yeah the hood and the mask

yeah yeah absolutely but I really like that fight there was one bit in particular where he while the queen like throws a sword at him or tries to hit him and he kicks the sword.

Yep. Like the flat side of the blade. And then he goes back to hit Oliver and Oliver kicks the flat side of his sword. Right. I was like, oh, that's nice. I like that. Yeah. But no, I thought that was great.

I really liked that fight. And it was like from the start, it was very much like he's not going to win this. Right, right. Like that's... No. No. And he didn't. No. Got kicked it was very much like he's not going to win this. Right, right. Like that's... No. No. And he didn't. No.

Got kicked off a mountain. And he's dead. Yeah, he's definitely dead. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Lazarus Pit, do you think? That's a good question. Yeah, mate.

Yes. You know what? Probably. Because now it's his time to go mad. Oh. Because you know how Roy's gone mad? Yeah. And he's come back from the madness.

I would say throw him in the Lazarus pit. They throw him back in. Yeah, because they want to destroy Starling City. They're like, find the murderer or we'll destroy Starling City. I reckon they're going to be like, now hit him. Which is weird because he didn't even like Black Canary. Right, yeah. I think he just wants to destroy Starling City.

Yeah, kind of. It's fun to do when you think about it. Yeah, I think he just wants to destroy Starling City. Yeah, kind of. It's fun to do, when you think about it. Yeah, I think they're going to resurrect him, maybe, and then throw him into Starling City and be like, hey, kill some people for us, will you? Do you think they'll probably just get John Barrowman's character, the Dark Archer, whatever he's called, to do it? Merlin.

To do it? Yeah, maybe. Or just Merlin the Wizard. Oh, yeah, absolutely. With wizardry. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.

I've got another email From Feet3 I've been saying your name wrong So I apologise for that My opinion on the mid-season finale Arrow was pretty shit A lot of unnecessary revelations Good fight in Oliver vs Raz

But Matt Nabel doesn't look Doesn't fit the look I've heard a few people say He doesn't look fit enough To be Ra's al Ghul yeah but he's like he's got some abs yeah he's got abs

yeah I mean he's like 45 he'd have to be yeah and I think the point like he doesn't have to be totally ripped no my feeling is that he is

he is the head of this he is the head of the League of Shadows yeah he's old yeah he doesn't have to be I liked how they

implied his age he's like nobody's challenged me for like 60 years and I was like oh that's interesting so he's old he doesn't have to be I liked how they implied his age he's like nobody's challenged me for like 60 years and I was like oh that's interesting so he's been around yeah

and they don't have to be all Dark Knight kind of real like no he's just a guy you know he's comfortable in his position

he doesn't have to be totally ripped all the time again nobody's challenged him in 60 years yeah so he can be a little unless he was a baby yeah

he can be carrying some witch weights no one challenged me since I was a baby. Yeah. He can be carrying some witch lights. No one challenged me since I... Yeah. Yeah. I like that. No one challenged me since I was a baby and then I killed him.

I killed that guy. My baby powers. So yeah. I think Arrow is fine. Yeah. Like all shows. Yes. Like some shows.

And we got a couple of looks at the Atoms suit. Yes. Got a little bit of insight into his history. Yes. He loves Atoms. He does, doesn't he? I like Brandon Ralph. He's good.

I'd like to see him get his own spin-off so we can talk about another comic book show. Is it implied that he's not, the suit isn't going to shrink? I think I read maybe in an article that it's not going to be a shrinking suit. But that can't be right. What's it for?

Because he's talking about white dwarf star material. That's for shrinking. That's just for shrinking, man. Just for shrinking? Look, maybe this was a rumor. That's throwing me way off base. Yeah. But I read somewhere that it's like, it's not going to have shrinking powers.

I think that's ridiculous. Exactly. Why would you even bring it in if that's not what it does? Precisely, yes. So it's just like a combat armor. Maybe. I don't know. Hmm.

Hmm. I think that's going to be a hard. I'm worried. That's going to be a hard look to pull off. Especially because they've kind of made it like a Iron Man-esque kind of armor. Yeah. Which isn't the Atoms kind of look. Correct.

Yes. So I don't know how they're going to do that. Better be shrinking powers. That's all I'm saying. Big time. Yeah. Let's talk about the other Arrow show, The Flash. Oh, yes.

I've got here. The Flash presents The Arrow. Yes. Wait. The other way around doesn't matter doesn't matter i like it also you know what i think the what the one thing that i prefer the flash over the arrow is i like the flash's team better than i like the arrow team interesting i think they're i like them better i don't know what it is how do you like it when

they team up i'm good i'm definitely on board with that i think it's just the guy though that i like more i like him cisco yeah cisco yeah the singer the rapper fantastic yeah i think he's i don't know i like him a lot then you know because often these guys will have a team and they're just like okay you see it in every show you know what i mean like every cop show there's like a wacky nerd team or whatever i think this has done really well the best wacky nerd team do you think yes right okay but you hate it don't you no i'm on board okay good let me think there needs to be an extra member of the wacky team i feel okay i mean they've brought in um the cop they got the cop west west yeah he's not that wacky though is he he's not very wacky no it's pretty serious He's not very wacky. No. He's pretty serious. Yeah, he's a serious guy. He's a serious Sam. The villains, what do you think?

I like the way... It is kind of villain of the week. Yeah. But it's... Well, I'm never happy. I'm like, I just feel there's not enough colourful characters. This one, I'm like, it's a bit villain of the week. I like that though.

Never happy. Yeah. It's good. It's good. Yeah. Yeah, but we've seen... Some of them have only been a little, eh. Yeah.

Like, more, more... Like, the woman who played Plastique. I don't remember that. Not great. Which one was that? What happened in that episode? The bomb house. Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah. Did you like it when they turn up and they're like, I can't control my powers. I can't control them. I'd rather they be able to control their powers. Yes, sure. It's more of a challenge. Correct.

Introduction of Firestorm as well, which was interesting. He's actually Stephen Amell's brother. He's got the island hair. He does have island hair. Same wig. I was just going to say, he's got, yeah. Well, they've got the same head size,

but one issue. Sure, yeah. Like all brothers. Actually, someone's written in and said, can you explain the character, DC character Firestorm? He can create any kind of matter and he's on fire.

These are questions. Is the fire real i've read the dc wikis but i still have no idea that would work well in your flash recap episode oh yes uh okay so nuclear fire head we've talked about firestone before i think i don't know no we definitely have but well in the comic books he's he's ronnie raymond oh we have yeah we have and he's another guy he's like an atomic scientist. And then there was an atomic accident. They were fused together. Like Dragon Ball Z.

Like Dragon Ball Z. I'm not sure what that reference means, but you're right. And then they could combine to become Firestorm. Yeah. And then he had... He could shoot nuclear... Go Tanks. Okay.

Dragon Ball Z. I figured it was, yeah. From the context, I figured. And he could shoot atomic fire, but you can also, like, rearrange... I think it's just non-organic matter. So, like, you can't rearrange human molecules or whatever. What if someone's dead? That's a good point.

Or is it non-organic? I don't know. But isn't everything stemmed from organicness? No, I don't... I think it's non-living matter. I think you can manipulate non-living matter. Unless's molecule man doesn't matter anyway the point is uh then it turned out that that that was just like the fact that they combined together was just a coincidence but it actually turned out that uh one of the firestorm was actually a fire elemental

oh cosmic events yeah cosmic event he was Earth's Fire Elemental, but then it turned out he wasn't in Firestorm's back. It doesn't matter anymore. He's been retconned a lot of times. And he has nuclear firepower also. He's got nuclear firepower. And at one point, this was pre-New 52, during a reboot,

it was a new guy became Firestorm, and in order to become Firestorm, he had to combine with pretty much anybody, and then he gained their abilities. Oh, okay. dragon ball z yeah like dragon ball z exactly so if he if he combined with a nuclear physicist he would know like he would know how nuclear physics works and he could use that power to his advantage and i don't know how the new version works they'll probably reckon it again but i'm gonna guess current Firestorm is just a guy with fire powers. Yes, that's what it seems like.

Yeah. That's the direction they're going. Yeah. Well, look, why don't we talk about then the reverse Flash? Sam has a question.

Who do we think the reverse Flash is? Why don't we just talk about the character first? Okay, right. That episode obviously had the football field showdown.

Yes, it did. People remind us, which we love. Because as we know, as we've established on this show, the only official way to determine

who is better in a fight is to have them at different ends of a football field they appear there as if by magic and then they just run at each other

and fight yes any other method is unfair see that's why in that show when they ran into the stands

I was like no no wrong football field only you're breaking the rules yeah what did you think of the interaction of that character I mean we've seen him before yeah yeah yeah Dan's? I was like, no. No, wrong. Football field only. You're breaking the rules. Yeah, what did you think of the interaction of that character? I mean, we've seen him before.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sort of. But yeah, what do you reckon? Did you like it? Yes? Mm. I don't know. So here's the thing about that character is,

is there any way it's not Harrison Wells? I mean, it is. See, that's the thing, though. Like, I look at that, and they've clearly said Harrison Wells is this guy Yes Right Is that some kind of Misdirect though

Well Okay so Harrison Wells I Think has been He's either been invented For the show Or he's a very minor character

Has been mentioned A couple of times Yeah I might be wrong there You never are So You're right I'm never wrong

That's true I'm constantly wrong there. You never are, so back yourself. You're right, I'm never wrong, that's true. I'm constantly wrong. So in the comic book series, there's been a number of reverse Flashes. Yes. One of which is Eddie Eobard Thorne, who's from the future. He becomes obsessed with the Flash, and then basically goes back in time and becomes the Flash. And he changes his... he gets the plastic surgery and everything. He gets the plastic surgery to look like Barry Allen, and then he goes back in time.

What a dickhead. I know, right Allen and then he goes back in time and what a dickhead I know right and then he becomes this reverse Flash and so in the TV series we have Detective Eddie Thorne yes and so I guess

we as comic book fans are supposed to be like well he'll become the reverse Flash yeah but if you don't know if like

imagine 90% of the people who watch the TV series do not read the comic books, right? No, yeah. At least. We certainly don't. Yeah, boy. And there's been no evidence that he will become the Reverse Flash.

No. So it's only a red herring if you read the comic books. Yeah. Otherwise, he's just a guy, right? Yeah. If it did turn out he was the reverse flash and this is an elaborate ruse yeah then people on the internet would be like oh of course but people who watch the show would be like what what a weird twist yeah what a weird evidenceless twist

yeah sure yeah yeah but i mean harrison wells he claims he can walk. He claims he can't walk, but he can. Yeah. He speaks in the Reverse Flash's voice. Yes. He's got the Reverse Flash's costume. Yes. It's the Reverse Flash stole a tachyon thing. And he's got that.

Yeah. I'm not saying he's not the Reverse Flash. He probably is. Yes. But I feel like these are the kind of shows where they they just do deliberate misdirects like all the time deliberate really weird this would be a hell this is a complete 180 misdirect if it is well maybe you know maybe because it looks as well also he's very invested in making sure the flash exists right yeah because if he is the guy from

the future the flash needs to exist for him to exist. Right, exactly. He's probably from the future, whatever version he is. Uh-huh. Yeah, I mean, but you know what also, it says Stephen Amell, the Arrow also says, I don't trust that guy, there's something about him that's off. Uh-huh. So, yeah, look, yeah, I'm sure he probably is, but...

What a weird build-up for a reveal that is not a reveal at all. Probably probably is. Yeah. What a weird build up for a reveal that is not a reveal at all. I kind of, when that is revealed, I kind of want to troll the internet to see if people are surprised somehow. There's got to be some people who are like, what? How did he? Well, that's what I mean.

Like everybody from day one is like, that guy is probably the reverse Flash. And then from episode two or whatever, when he just stabbed a guy to death. Do you remember that? No. Remember he stabbed a guy to death? I don't remember that. He stabbed a whole bunch of people to death. He does threaten a lot of people. just stabbed a guy to death. Do you remember that? No. Remember he stabbed a guy to death? I don't remember that. He stabbed a whole bunch of people to death. He does threaten a lot of people.

He stabbed that guy to death. Yeah. I think it was in the Multiplex episode. Multiplex. Because the Multiplex guy was going to kill some CEOs or whatever. Yeah. And then Harrison Wells was like, hey, you remember me? Your old CEO buddy?

We'll do some stabbings. I'm stabbing you. Don't even remember that. You don't remember that? Okay. Don't remember. I've watched that one too. Yeah, yeah. Maybe it wasn't that episode, but he's I'm stabbing you. Don't even remember that. You don't remember that? Okay. I don't remember. I've watched that one too. Stab a guy in the head.

Yeah, yeah. Maybe it wasn't that episode, but he's definitely a stabby guy. There's also apparently, there's a lot of other stuff. Again, this J-Raw guy made a video on him and he's got a lot of traits

of the reverse flash. I can't remember which one in particular. He can run really fast. Run really fast. He's got the reverse flash's voice. He's evil. Atom.

Red eyes. Red eyes. He keeps saying, I'm the reverse flash. By the way. He's BT Dubs. I'm the reverse flash. One of the keeps saying, I'm the reverse Flash. By the way. He just BT dubs, I'm the reverse Flash. One of the things is, one of the reverse Flashes has the power where he can click his fingers and like alter reality.

And Harrison Wells does that at one point. So remember the General comes and he's like, we should work together. I'm the General. And he's like, I could destroy your world. And he's like, like that or whatever. And he like snaps his fingers. So look, he probably is but you know i'm just saying i'm calling it now that he might not be you're calling it that i might just

do a twist for no reason yes yeah that's what i guess like there could be a case of he is the reverse flash but because there's multiple versions yeah maybe he sends eddie thorne back in time yeah and. And he gets the Flash powers. Yeah. So the one he's fighting... The one that Flash is fighting now is Harrison Wells. The one he fights in the past is Eddie Thorne. Yes.

But again, Eddie in this is a guy who is dating the woman he loves. But he's not evil. No. He's just a guy. He's just a guy. Yeah. Yeah. So to take...

There's going to be... There would have to be a lot of character development between now and the final episode of the season for it to be Eddie Thorne yeah

he would really have to reveal a bad side and then you know bad stuff bad stuff bad stuff exactly

yeah bad stuff anyway I'm kinda looking forward to see how that goes yeah it'll probably just be the Harrison Wells thing, though. Yeah, totally. Realistically.

We're kind of idiots for even discussing it. We are. When you think about it, yeah. Good speed effect for television. Fine. Yeah, it's fine. It's better than it could be. True.

Yes. So, small blessings, you know. Definitely, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they had a lot of years to work on it in that that's all Superman did in Small Hill for 10 years. So, you're right.

It's better than that. It is better than that, isn't it? Yeah. Well, I guess that's our mid-season wrap-up. We'll do the end-of-season wrap-up, won't we? Yes. Do you enjoy doing these wrap-ups? Yeah, kind of.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just kind of talking about stuff we saw. It's good, yeah. It's not kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just kind of talking about stuff we saw. So it's not overly complicated. Maybe we could do an episode

of just stuff we saw out of our window one day. Yeah. I saw a car, a couple of cars. Yeah. Well, you know what it's time for though. What's it time for?

It's time for our world famous segment What Are We Reading? Oh, what are we going to read? Theme song. I'm doing the theme. Theme song. gonna read theme song i'm doing the thing what are we reading today it happened or just it's gonna happen yeah i don't know where you insert it something yeah great at some point fantastic

what you reading what i read in what you're gonna read well what i read in was the film nightcrawler have you seen oh i want to see that. Jake Gyllenhaal as a creepy man who's up at night and he decides he wants to embark after some... He decides that... Sounds like us. Yeah, it is kind of like us.

He decides he wants to embark on a career of breaking the news with kind of late night video production and filming the bizarre and horrific stuff that happens late at night yeah like car crashes and you know that sort of stuff and murders or whatever on the street up late game shows up late game shows precisely nobody knows about dates if you're not Australian uh and yeah it's it's it's super creepy yeah it's a real there's there's not much I can talk about without spoiling it so I won't but it's just a it's

a really creepy watch it's super tense would can talk about without spoiling it, so I won't. But it's just a really creepy watch. It's super tense. Would you recommend it? I would recommend it. Yeah, I really want to see that. I'm glad you said that's good. I've heard nothing but good things. Yeah, yeah.

I heard it's kind of got like a drive kind of feel, but way more creepy. It does. It's initially quite difficult to tell what year it's set in. It's set now. But like for the first little bit... Spoiler alert. Sorry. Set in the future. But there's some good performances set now. Yeah. But like for the first little bit. Spoiler alert. Sorry. Set in the future.

But there's some good performances in it. Yeah. Gyllenhaal's great. Rue Rousseau is in it. Is Maggie Gyllenhaal in it? She's not in it. No. You'd think he'd help her sister out but he doesn't. He doesn't. Okay. Interesting. But that sounds great. Yeah. Super tense.

I'm going to watch that this week then. A little bit disturbing maybe. Yeah. Well that's okay. That's fine. I'm going to watch that this week then. A little bit disturbing maybe. Yeah, well, that's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fine. I actually took your advice from last week and I decided to quit everything I'm doing. No. You suggested last week Original Sin. Oh, yes. Get that up to Beryl.

I did. I just read the eight because there's all sorts of spinoffs and I'll probably get around to them. But what a great story arc. Yeah. Yeah. I was really impressed by it. I forgot to mention it is a murder mystery

I mentioned it is a murder mystery in the Marvel Universe someone's killed the Watcher they have to find out why there's a series of weird team ups but the killer also steals the Watcher's eyes and because the Watcher has seen everything they're full of secrets just like human eyes

and of course you know will those secrets be revealed? Yeah. Yeah, mate. Yeah, it's a good series. Great art. Looks great. Yeah, it is.

It really is. I like to see that as a movie. It's probably too early and too weird. Yeah. Because it's got like the Punisher, as you mentioned, the Punisher and Doctor Strange going through a weird dimension in whatever the netherworld,

not the netherworld, what's it called? I can't remember. Whatever that dimension Strange loves. Yeah. He loves hanging out in yeah I also

actually just saw this you saw that Star Wars episode trailer the George Lucas version which is amazing if you haven't seen that look it up

it's got like 10 million views you've probably seen it but the guy who made that Michael Shanks he's also is he the Michael Shanks from Stargate SG-1 he is

he's the same no he's a strange guy actually okay sure he's got a new short film. It's called Time Trap. And if you go to his YouTube channel, which is TimTimFed, one word.

Oh, yes. Or just look up the George Lucas trailer and go from there. But it's this six-minute short film. It's a little bit kind of... At the start, I'm like, oh, this is kind of Guardians-esque. It's got that kind of feel.

Yeah, yeah. It's six minutes. It won't take much of your time. Special effects are great, especially for something of this budget and whatever. And I just think it's a nice little kind of sci-fi short film. It's got a bit of time manipulation happening. Oh, yes.

It's quite funny as well. There's not a lot of speaking in it or anything. It's just a lot of kind of like visual gags and whatever, but in the best possible way. Think Mr. Bean in space. I love visual gags. Don't think in the best possible way. Think Mr. Bean in space. I love visual gags. Don't think that. Potty humour.

Men's humour. Potty humour. Friends. Grown-ups too. Friends having fun. Yeah. So, yeah. I've got an email here from Scully, though, who's written in before.

Oh, yes. Our resident X-Files something. Yeah. Something. Yeah. It's late. I thought I could recommend a fantastic graphic novel slash comic book for what we read and what we're going to read.

It's called Ascent and it's by Jed Mercurio. It's a fictional account of a Soviet pilot who was sent on a mission to land on the moon before the Americans. Oh, yes. You won't be disappointed. We're very easily disappointed, though. Yeah. We've underestimated our ability to be disappointed.

We're like spoiled children. We're very... Yes, exactly. If things don't live up to our exact standards, boy, someone's getting a glass of milk in the face. That's right. Warm milk. Yeah.

The worst kind. That's what we're reading for this week, Mason. Oh, yes. We did it again. Unless you're reading anything else. No. You're going to see Exodus? No.

It's like three hours long. It's not happening. Do you know what happens in the end? Do they get exodused? Yes. It's like three hours long. It's not happening. Do you know what happens in the end? Do they get Exodus'd? Yes. Do they get Professor Exodus'd? They do. This is a letter from Jack C.

Hey, guys. Love the show. I miss Mason singing the song every week, especially the Smallville one. Therefore, I challenge Mason to sing a Bond theme

every week until Secchitree. That's the actual spectre. Oh, yeah. It is Secchitree. Absolutely, it's Secchitree. Yeah. Thanks spectre oh yeah it is Secchitree absolutely it's Secchitree yeah thanks

Jack wow what do you think alright give me a bone thing I'll do it Madonna Die Another Day I can't remember that one guys give me another one

do the Paul McCartney one oh no no no no no no no no no yeah that one great song um yeah

live and let die hang on how does that go again how does it start i don't know but i know when we were young and your heart was an open book girls and roses did as well not as you used to say live and let me you know you think you know you did you know you did that's how it goes and in this ever-changing world in which we're living. See? People are confused. Makes you give in and cry. Bye now.

To live and let die. Pow! Okay, yeah. Great. New segment. I'm forced to sing a James Bond song. I think we should do that one every week. Great, okay.

Alright. I really like that song. Actually, are you familiar with the game Destiny that everybody's disappointed with? Oh, yes. Because that's set in the 1970s Bond universe. It is. No, it's Paul McCartney released a single

in conjunction with that. Great. And it's in the world of Destiny and everybody in that kind of world is watching a hologram of Paul McCartney singing the song. It's terrible. Yeah.

Yeah, so that's what I'm reading. Great. That, multiple times. Yeah. Hello, The Amazing Mace, so and junior editor. Hale Gunslinger. Regular editor now.

That's right. She got demoted again? No, not that I know of. Hale Gunslinger, insert other greeting references that no one will understand. I'm assuming that's from... That's from dragon ball z yes that's right uh from your only listener in the bahamas you helped me uh blow through my paperwork on monday people do paperwork in bahamas i thought it was all like chilling out and drinking from like

well it's chilling out and drinking from pineapples paperwork okay it's legit it's the logistics of that i mean yeah sure that is there's a lot yeah yeah um now last week we did the the lord of the rings episode oh yes and mercifully mercifully people understood that we were not experts and didn't berate us one guy said on twitter he was like that was you know it was tough to listen to you know us like butchering the law so i appreciate thank you for sticking through that but we talked about Saruman sorry Sauron and what his

origin was and I was like I don't know maybe he's an elf or maybe he was a Gandalf or whatever but his origin is I maintain he was a Gandalf

or whatever here we go apparently Gandalf and Sauron are technically the same type of being that's what I said you did

but they're in different classes and levels, a la Dragon Ball Z. Oh, yuck. In their hierarchy. Sauron is a Maier, I'm saying that wrong, in service to the Lord Melkor, and Gandalf is a Maieru, in same word as before. They sound the same. In service, no, it is the same

word, I just said it differently. Oh, great. In service to Nienna, sister of Melkor, though he did level up and become Gand off the white. He sure did. Hope that cleared things up or not. Nelsa also says, who cares about this nerd garbage anyway?

From Symeon, the official guy who shoots magic lasers out of his no-no place and thus is alone of the podcast. P.S. That got dark. Didn't it? P.S. Don't read the Simmerillion.

It's bonkers. Listen to the audiobook instead. It's much easier to live through or not. Nerd love it so now we know yeah because we would have never like genuinely i would never have known like i just would have lived my life but i'm glad i know that i genuinely glad so thank you simeon for um writing in simeon s-i-m-e-o-n that's simeon isn't it yes good hey you two I'm 15 I live in England

and you two are the cause of me losing over 200 pounds in a month as you got me reading comics but after all the podcast I thought he meant

of weight you're welcome you've done a really good job like he's just been on a treadmill listening to the podcast yeah

but after all the podcasts I've been listening to I think I should be called the official money waster of this podcast

thanks okay I just want to say you I should be called the official money waster of this podcast. Thanks. Okay, I just want to say, you should not be spending that much money on comics. You should. Steal them from the internet. Yes, you should steal them from the internet. I think at that age, you should keep your money and buy other things like... Google stocks. Like Google stocks.

Yeah, I think anybody who's a comic writer, who's not a dickhead, would appreciate that that's a lot of money to spend for someone who's 15. Yeah, I think anybody who's a comic writer who's not a dickhead would appreciate that that's a lot of money to spend for someone who's 15. Yeah, yeah. So that's what I think. Also, Pirate Bay went down this week. Somebody said, would this be the end of the Weekly Planet something? Exactly. How else are we going to obtain our legally purchased movies and comic books and TV shows that we watch? Look, if we were to use the Pirate Bay, there are other methods.

Absolutely there are. We fly to the States every week. We do and we watch them at friends' houses in the States. Yeah. Hey guys,

this is from Ollie Turner. I really enjoy the show and I recently did work experience for Visual Effects and whilst working on various things I listen to your

sweet, sweet podcasts. If I ever get a job in Visual Effects, I will surely put a weekly Planet Easter egg in the Avengers Infinity Wars without Marvel knowing it. Suck it, Stanley.

Yeah, nice. Yeah, suck it, Stanley. Anyways, I think I deserve a shout out for that, or not, you decide. I guess I'll be the official... If you can give us

a Stanley face tattoo, like you can put our logo on his face, I'd really appreciate that. Please. I guess I will be the official something of the podcast. You guys decide

because I'm tired and quite frankly, I can't be fucked to think of something funny. Nice job, guys. Keep up the good work. P.S. Sorry for swearing. Not really. No, nice.

We're also tired. You're the official something of the podcast. You did it. This is from Harry Sheehan. Oh, yes. Or Sheehan. I thought you were going to go with Harry Shearer for a second there. Sure.

This is from Harry Shearer. Yes, from The Simpsons. Hey, guys. Massive fan of the podcast and James' YouTube channel. Thanks, Or Sheehan. I thought you were going to go with Harry Shearer for a second there. Sure. This is from Harry Shearer. Yes, from The Simpsons. Hey, guys. Massive fan of the podcast and James' YouTube channel. Thanks, Harry Shearer. It's amazing you have time in between being on The Simpsons and being in Spinal Tap in the 80s. And Godzilla 97.

Oh, yes. Or 98, whatever that year came out. And I think he has a podcast where he's smug all the time. Really? Yeah. And he's in those improvised films. You know those ones? Best in Show, Mighty Wind. Are they good? Yeah. Christopher Guest films.vised films you know those ones Best in Show

Mighty Wind are they good yeah Christopher Guest films you know those ones who's Christopher Guest again he's the director what else has he done

Best in Show okay yeah is he the best in show no it's another film okay when it's improv is it on one is it one take

I don't I think it might be I think it's one of those things it's like Curb Your Enthusiasm yes where it's like okay this character wants this

he has to get to this point from here now go I like that yeah it's good alright I'm going to get into that I probably won't well done Harry

anyway also anyway what's Harry Shearer got to say oh it's interesting he's a fellow Australian and also Victorian he says he's from the Yarra

yeah I didn't know that about him he says he's from the Yarra Valley he says which you probably don't know where it is, but if you do, that's cool. Of course, Yarra Valley. It's the wine region. Yeah, it's the wine region. You take a bus, you go with some friends,

you drink some wine, and, you know... You vomit, and then your friends fall in the mud. I've seen that video. I've seen it. I've seen it. He puts a couple of feet in, he looks like he's about to tumble, he pulls a foot out, you think he's free,

and then he just hits the mud. People need to know that that's real and have footage of that. I cannot release that, unfortunately. But I wish everybody in the world could see that. It's pretty great. Yeah. It's like my Kevin Spacey story. I have to hold on to it.

You have to hold on to it. Tell you what, if you see us live, ask us about that story. Absolutely. Yeah, I'll tell you what. I have that video on my phone. Do you really? No, I don't. Do you want it?

Yeah. Just wanted to congratulate you two on your success and also getting me away from all those stupid yanks talking about movies. Harsh. Harsh. And letting me listen to someone talk from my own country talk about movies.

Give it the good work. Thank you for that. Absolutely. Thank you. Oh, here's a but. No, the majority of our listeners are American. That's true. Yes.

Mostly for the novelty value, I think. I think most podcasts i listen to uh they're either uk or american there's not i think there's many australian ones i listen to but yeah you know when people say that americans are the worst tourists oh yes i don't think that's true i think australians are the worst tourists i think australians think they're the best tourists right but if you've ever been to like a backpackers over overseas the biggest dickhead there is the most Australian guy. It was like,

he has to be the most Australian guy in the room. He's got an Australian flag as a Cape. He's wearing zinc for some reason. He's drinking a really big beer and he's just acting like a complete wanker. Yeah. So the Australians are the worst tourists. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Do you want to go traveling? I think, yeah, I think it's because we're in's because we're encouraged to be more Australian when we're overseas because people go, oh you're Australian I love Australians and then part of your brain goes

I better be really Australian That's a good looking girl Yeah, I better be really Australian right now and then you sort of feed into it and it's like this loop it's like an avalanche and then you look at yourself and you're wearing an Australian flag as your knuckles are bloody yeah all that all that but you're not

sunburned because you put a lot of zinc on you know it hi guys greetings from Poland cold Poland where I live though although I'm Portuguese I'm a longtime listener already sent a couple of emails that you shared for instance you guys saved my marriage by convincing my wife to see Guardians of the Galaxy I remember that you should thank James Gunn you guys saved my marriage by convincing my wife to see Guardians of the Galaxy. I remember that. You should thank James Gunn for that though, not us. But yeah,

I'm writing to share a DVD combo pack I found in Portugal. It's Indiana Jones. I've got this. I'm going to have the picture up here, but I'll tell it to you.

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom and the Crystal Skull and The Last Airbender. What a combination. The only connection I... Temples? Well, he's got the only connection I can find here

is they are both crap. If you have another theory please share but temples I haven't seen Avatar Last Airbending neither have I I think the show's really really good

everybody tells me to watch the cartoon series and watch Legend of Korra which is the sequel to that yeah I reckon it's I know

again I haven't seen it but I'm gonna say temples made of weird stuff like I'm gonna say Avatar maybe it's a temple made of ice about to guess and this one crystal temple or whatever i don't know spinny spaceship

spinny spaceship temple there we go yeah and the real treasure was knowledge no it's crystal skull probably probably sell that for heat no he said it at the end he was like the real treasure is knowledge oh then you're right okay yeah yeah wasn't a very good treasure probably still could have sold that skull yeah alien skull are you kidding me yeah damn I could have

bought that that's right alright he also wrote this jingle bells mason smells James loves Michael Bay with weekly planet

no need to panic fun is on its way oh that's pretty good except for the part where I was insulted I didn't like that I do love Michael Bay though so he's nailed me

yeah yeah all the best with a merry Christmas to you both keep up the good job best podcast ever from Daniel Martins official actual cannibal I was insulted I didn't like that I do love Michael Bay though so he's nailed me yeah yeah all the best with a Merry Christmas to you both keep up the good job best podcast ever from Daniel Martins

official actual cannibal Shia LaBeouf PS Mason you are a dickhead but the coolest dickhead in all the podcast world yeah I'll take it for some reason

yeah woo this is from Lorenzo last email alright and then you can go home I know you damn Brits first of all thank you for giving me This is from Lorenzo. Last email. And then you can go home. Hi there, you damn Brits.

First of all, thank you for giving me... giving... meeting to my Mondays. Here in Italy, it's Monday when you load things up. I'd love to start reading more X-Men comics. Though I don't know where to begin. A lot of people always ask, like, what's the best comics to start reading on? We will do an episode on that at some point.

We should actually, yeah. Yeah. Jumping off points. Jumping off points. Jumping on points. Yes. And also jumping off points. Jumping off points. Read these two, don't read the rest. Peter Parker Clone Saga., yeah. Yeah. Jumping off points. Jumping off points. Jumping on points. Yes. And also jumping off points. Jumping off points.

Read these two, don't read the rest. Peter Parker Clone Saga. Jump off. Right off. Do you reckon I should start with the first one from the 50s or 60s

or whatever? No. No. I think you'd go Astonishing X-Men. Yep, that'd be a good start. The Joss Whedon run. I think that's where

I kind of started properly maybe. I guess you could do like... I like your Old Man Logans. Yeah, okay. I think if you have a knowledge of the movie universe, I think you can get by on Old Man Logan. Yeah, okay.

What else let me think? I guess some of the... You don't really want to go with the time-bendy kind of stuff, do you? No, you don't. Not just yet. Yeah. I'm going to say astonishing because it's quite... Like, it's a good team book,

and it's kind of... There's minimal kind of reality-bending, time-bending stuff, right? You get a sense of the team as individual members. Is that the one with Zorn as well? No, that's New X-Men. That's also very good. That's also good, but that's a little...

Oh, really? No, it's kind of that's like that's a level up maybe okay sure but yeah like it's a good idea in theory to start at the ones

I level up like Dragon Ball Z thank you good yeah it's good idea in theory to get a good grounding and be like here's the characters

from the 60s but maybe read those at some point read the first one to see what it's like I'm shaking my head people can't see it you can't see it but you definitely are doing that grounding and be like here's the characters from the 60s but maybe read those at some point read the first one to see what it's like i'm shaking my head people can't see it you definitely are doing that yeah no it's yeah just to get an idea i guess but again like you said all those ones are people explaining their powers as they use their powers yeah yeah there's one particular

one where like maybe just look up old just look up funny x-men panels on google images or whatever there's one where like jean gray is going through, like, an obstacle course. And she, like... There's a hole in the ground. And there's, like, three panels devoted to her, like, moving a bit of wood over the hole with her telekinetic power. So she can run across the hole. Like, just fly. Exactly.

There's one of the guy breaking through the wall. I'm trying to find now. With stealing some alloys? Stealing some alloy, yeah. I'm going to find that one right now and describe it if I can. Right, please. Yeah, it's all exposition. It's just...

It's like one panel with just so much exposition. Oh, this is hard. Nah. Hang on, I'm going to do one more thing. If I can't find this, I'll be upset. Okay. He's... You're already upset.

Nah, I can't find it. Okay. Anyway, it's basically a guy breaking through the wall stealing alloy and somebody's and I think it has the description of

what he's doing and then it says underneath there's a scientist who's like oh my god he just broke through the wall using super strength and he's stealing the

alloy yep like it's amazing it's pretty good yeah that's from Lorenzo PS can I be the official Italian gay guy

yes unless we already have one. Do we? I don't think so. Okay, good. Love you. Take care. Not you, Mason.

You should be watching Game of Thrones. Be ashamed. I haven't done that ever. Take that. Wow. I went to a christening today and it was the christening. It was Italian. I went for half an hour and then they're like, and now it's time for Italian mass.

I'm like, I don't speak Italian. Right. And then there was a really long Italian mass. I'm like, I don't speak Italian. Right. And then there was a really long Italian mass. Oh, yep. Would you describe it as molto bene? I would not. Oh, that's disappointing. Also, people often assume that I am Italian.

Do I look Italian? Well, I mean, you look. I look like a... Molto bene. So maybe. So people think I speak Italian. So that's happened to me a few times. So people just open with Italian. So that's happened to me a few times. So people just open with Italian.

It's happened to me multiple times. Would you say Molto times? Yes, I would. There you go. If I knew what that meant. I understand. Yeah. I think I just look like a generic dude.

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