The Weekly Planet - 7 Why Everyone Hates Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. & Batman VS Superman News

Episode Date: November 12, 2013

This episode we’re talking the recent spate of Batman VS Superman Nightwing/Wonder Woman rumours, Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D, Marvel’s new Netflix Announcement and other stuff or something.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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B-R-U-T-O-N. I'm afraid I'm going to get that wrong. Did I say that right? I think so. You spelled it. You got all the individual letters right. So, yeah. Thank you very much, Gabriel, for that. That's two we've got now sent in. I think so. You spelled it. You got all the individual letters right. So, yeah. Thank you very much, Gabriel, for that.

That's two we've got now sent in. I've lost the rest. Fantastic. We are actually flat out of theme songs now. So, if you send me a theme song, it'll definitely play next week, regardless of quality, regardless if it's as good as Gabriel Bruton, which it won't be, because that was incredible. That was pretty funny. I love it. Yeah, you'll get on.

Or we'll just play that one again, I guess. Yeah. Until somebody said something. Welcome to the Weekly Planet, Mason. Thank you. Yeah. It's great to be here. Episode 7. Ooh. Official podcast of comicbookmovie.com.

This week we're discussing... The big thing we're discussing is current events in the Marvel TV Universe series. In particular, why everybody hates Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. What's the acronym for that? Can you break that down? Just, what are we calling it? Because we can't say that every time. I don't remember what I said.

Oh, it doesn't matter. Let alone acronym it. Okay. You like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. though, right? Not really. No, look, I made a stand against it it you did and and i got dragged back in you have to yeah for the for the podcast rules as rules i guess rules yeah but before we do that we're going to stack a news we're going to get through to begin with a lot of our stuff related

to justice league and batman superman should we get straight into it or do you want to take a quick break take a break edit. And we're back. Good sandwich? Yeah, it was so good. Okay. Starting off this week's news, there's been a number of... You've heard the rumours about Wonder Woman being involved in the Batman Superman movie. Yep.

Making cupcakes in the background. That's right. Boys, stop fighting! Stop fighting, boys! Jamie Alexander we heard last week was apparently up for it which I was

I agreed with and you said was good also yes give me another option James I've got three options for you how do I like them honestly that's too many options okay sorry

I can say only one of them if you want what if it's the wrong one oh yeah good point say all three I'll get through it later first one Olga Kirilenko

oh yeah Kirilenko from is she a Bond she she a Bond girl? She was the Bond girl in the worst Daniel Craig Bond film. Quantum of Solace. I was going to say, you're going to have to be more specific than that.

You don't like Skyfall, do you? Not especially, no. That's crazy. No, it's not crazy. I'm not the only one. I'm not the only one. I'm a fan of Bond. Sort of. I was a big fan of Cassandraanova, Skyfall. Bit ridiculous. If I could summarise very quickly, the thing about it is, it's ridiculous. And... We'll get into this. Why not? We're ten seconds into the news. Let's do this. Look, it's just

that he's got... The villain, he's got... He's had 15 years to come up with a plan to get M, right? Yes. And he's built this incredibly elaborate plot to get M, to destroy MI5 and get M. Was it MI6? Doesn't matter. Both? Yeah, probably both.

Sorry, go on. Anyway, and the ultimate, the masterstroke, the final detail in the plan is he puts on a police uniform and he kicks in the doors of Parliament House and he just starts firing indiscriminately. He's had 15 years to come up with this plan. But he got captured. Do you remember that?

Yeah, but that's because he... It's just a pay limitation in Dark Knight. Yeah, well... Is he just... They were like... Is it everything, though? I guess so, yeah. All right.

I'm sorry. No, it's fine. Do you like... Give me option two. I'm going to start yelling again. Option two. Gal Gadot. No idea.

She's from Fast and Furious 6. Have you seen Fast and Furious 6? Or 5 or 4? The one, she's, you know, Han from it? I've seen Tokyo Drift. He's in Tokyo Drift. I haven't seen Tokyo Drift. You didn't see 6?

I don't think I've seen any of them. Okay, well, she's in Fast 6 and some of the other ones. What's her name again? Spelled G-A-L space. Yes. G-A-D-O-T space. Right. It sounds like rhyming slang for something else, but I don't know what that something

else is. I think she's all right. I'm okay with her. And this last one. Uh-huh. Oh, I've totally written this wrong. It's something Jung. I've got the wrong...

I've written the wrong name down here. It's self-corrected to Eloise, but I know it's not that. Let's assume it's Eloise Jung. Yeah. She's from G.I. Joe. Great granddaughter of the philosopher Carl Jung. She's from G.I. Joe. Great granddaughter of the philosopher Carl Jung. She's from G.I. Joe.

G.I. Joe 2, Retaliation 3D. Get it up here, Bruce Willis. Is that a good film? You know what? I think I've said this before. I reviewed it and I don't remember anything about it and I don't even think it's as good as the first one. And I actually didn't hate the first one. Is Christopher Eccleston in the second one?

You know what? No. Deathstroke's in it but he's frozen. And you see him, I think you see a picture of him. Great. And you see his like eyes through the frozen thing. And Snake Eyes is not Snake Eyes. Who's the bad guy?

You're thinking Fantastic Four 2. I'm not. Or he's frozen. Doctor Doom's frozen. No, no, no. Because they got frozen apparently at the end of one. And then, what's the bad guy In Jojo called? Cobra Commando

Cobra Commando Yeah Looks at him and goes You're staying in here Deathstroke You're not coming out with me And that was their way Of riding Christopher Eccleston Out of it

Yeah So yeah Why would you want him in? Why would you want These Doctor Who fans To jump on board? Or to a lesser extent His Invisible Man

In Heroes fans Wow Yeah Or his The Seeker fans Did you ever see The Seeker? No It's like a Harry Potter rip off jump on board. Or, to a lesser extent, his Invisible Man in Heroes fans. Wow. Yeah. Or his The Seeker fans. Did you ever see The Seeker? No. It's like a Harry Potter rip-off.

I didn't see it either. Fantastic. Yeah, so those are the three. You only know one of them. What do you think? Pretty great. Okay. No, she seems... Well, I don't know.

She seems a bit waifish for that role. I don't know. No, not on board. Okay, fair enough. Don't like it. Well, look, apparently, though, it's going to be just a small role. Well, this is all rumour. a bit waifish for that role I don't know no not on board don't like it well look apparently though it's going to be just a small role

well this is all rumour so assume nothing about this is correct okay good so maybe why start now she'll just be Diana Prince

and maybe and other members of the Just League may pop up which leads me to my next piece of news do you like Arrow the TV show Arrow

apparently I should like it I haven't seen it so you haven't seen the TV show Arrow? Apparently I should like it. I haven't seen it. So you haven't seen the TV show Arrow. No. Stephen Amell, who's the Arrow in Arrow. Yeah. He's not the Arrow. He's not a plucky animated Arrow in Arrow?

Well, I could have said yes. You haven't seen it. Hey, let's fight some crime, Oliver. I'm ready when you are. He posted a picture to his Twitter machine. Mm-hmm. Some old Arrow Justice League covers that indicates that maybe he might be in the Justice League movie. And they'll be integrating those universes.

Interesting. Yeah, I'd be okay with that. I like that show. I think it actually gets better as it goes. Yep. A lot of interesting villains have popped up recently. They've mentioned Ra's al Ghul. Or Ra's al Ghuz, I think it's called.

The Goose, as we call him, yeah. And various others, and Black Canary's turned up, and not, what's his name? Not Captain Blood, something Blood. Can't remember his name, someone's screaming at me. Anyway, him, he's in it. Uh-huh, sure. Jason Blood. Jason Blood. Okay, there you go.

Yeah. So, yeah. The Daemon, Etrigan. No. Is he magic? Does he have red hair? No. Then it's not Jason Blood. I Blood. Okay, there you go. Yeah. So, yeah. The demon. Etrigan. No. Is he magic? Does he have red hair? No. Then it's not Jason Blood.

I don't remember. I don't know. Anyway. What do you think of that? Cool. The Arrow universe that you've never seen. Yeah. Okay, I've seen stills.

Yeah. I've seen a trailer, probably. It's quite dark. Have you seen the bit where he does the chin-ups and the bars and he goes higher? No. He's an incredible physical specimen. Is he actually, though, or is it just... He looks pretty fair. He's an incredible physical specimen. Is he actually though or is it just...

He looks pretty fit. Is he standing on a box? He might be standing on a box. Actually, no, I think he's either... Who knows? He's wise. I was going to say wise.

No, good on him. I like him. I will never acknowledge that anyone is fit in Hollywood. Never. It's wise or a box. Or a box and wise

or CGI. Third Justice League Batman news you didn't get my opinion on that oh yeah I'm sorry yeah that's quite

alright yeah I think it's alright I think it'd be a good way to expand the universe without basically building having more movies I guess

do you feel that he would can this character compare in any way to Man of Steel Superman or Ben Affleck Batman? Or is he going to be a C-list? Is he going to be a supporting character?

I'd say he'd be very much supporting. At this point, he's more kind of Bruce Wayne from the Dark Knight trilogy than he is like a super kind of crime fighter. But he's got some skills. He could be in the future. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and that's what some people have suggested, that this is like down the road. Because he's an integral part of Batman. They could give him a scar to indicate the future. Oh, exactly. Yeah, and that's what some people have suggested, that this is like down the road. Okay. Because, you know, he's an integral part

of Batman. They can give him a scar to indicate the future. Oh, yeah. Or they can give him the beard to indicate the future. Or an eye patch. Or an eye patch. Or all three. Oh, boy. Yeah. But, yeah, I'm okay with it. Third character. Dick Grayson has been rumoured to

be in the Batman Superman movie. I've said before that I'd like to see some members of the Bat family Ace the Bat Hound Ace the Bat Hound voice by Gilbert Godfrey Batmite the magical Batmite

is he good? no he's an imp he's a mischief maker do you like him I mean? I guess so as far as I can like any imp any imp from the fifth dimension

sure ok so it's going to be Ace the Bat Hound and Dick Grayson at Batmite. Yeah. Okay, cool. So apparently they're looking for a young John Hawks. Are you familiar with John Hawks?

He's in Eastbound and Down. He's Kenny Powers' brother. Oh, yes. Okay. Great actor. They're looking for him, but not 50. They're looking for like an early 20s to late 20s kind of dude. Do we have an option there?

Oh, we've got options. Oh boy. And I can guarantee you that you will not know at least two of these. I've got three. Okay, right. Okay. I didn't know. Two of them I didn't know.

Uh-huh. No, one of them I didn't know, sorry. Penn Badgley. Is he from Gossip Girl? Good call. Well done. Thank you. Good work.

Thank you. I totally sold you short. I did not know him. You kind of want to be Henry Cavillish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but you don't want Crossley. I totally sold you short. I did not know him. He kind of looks a bit Henry Cavill-ish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but you don't want you don't want

you don't want cross you don't want you don't want battle sequences where you just see like talking heads and you don't know who's who so he's right out. Yeah.

Wait, was Sigurdun? Yeah. He's right out. No, sorry. I thought it wasn't recording for a second. I panicked a moment. You always lose one.

That's how it works. That's true, yeah. What would happen if we lost it though I would just leave yeah because I don't have the energy for two hours

of this I really don't and I'm just sitting here what about our second one Ezra Miller he's in we need to talk

about Kevin no he's in the perks of being a wallflower no he's in episodes he sounds very indie

he's so he's so indie. He's the most indie guy you'll ever meet. It sounds like a Nightwing with a scarf. Yeah. Okay, it's going to be Nightwing. You know, remember 70s Nightwing? He had the big disco collar.

Oh, do I. It'll be that, except he's buttoned all the way to the top, but there's no tie, and he's got a big scarf. And he's got earmuffs, and he's got mittens pinned to his duffel coat. That's the Nightwing you want. You can't have him. Oh, what? Outrageous.

Yeah. I like Ezra Miller. I think he's a good actor, but he's a bit, yeah, he's a bit kind of that, kind of, yeah, hipster kind of whatever. People get angry when you say people are hipsters. They do, don't they?

But, you know, who cares? I say put him in a box. And then sink it? Yeah, like a cement box. Yeah. Powerful words. Last one is Adam Driver. I've seen the photo of this guy.

Oh, I was going to spring that on you. I was going to spring you the Adam Driver photo on you. What do you think of him? Okay, he looks kind of like Justin Long a little bit. So initially I'm against it. Although, listeners, if you haven't seen Robin's Big Date with Justin Long and Sam Rockwell as Batman, get on that. It's on the Google machine.

Yeah. Have that. It's very funny. It is. So I'm against it. But then I'm like, this guy, what's his name again? Driver. Driver.

Adam Driver. He looks a little bit like circus folk. In that way like if you said if I said what's this guy been up to all day and you said like rigging carnival games

like he's been gluing milk bottles together like so you throw a ball at them and they don't fall over I would totally believe you so I guess in that sense

like he looks kind of circusy folk yeah but so but I'm still against it you're still against it because I mean Dick Grayson's sort of supposed to be like the clean-cut, all-American.

Like, he lives in the circus, but he's a clean-cut, all-American guy. Yeah. That kind of thing. Yeah, he is. You know. A lot of people are saying he's like, his face is too goofy and mutant-like. Not my words, but I've... Are they words you've invented, though?

I don't think anyone said that exact phrase. Goofy. Well, I've put some things together. Oh, I see. Right. Yeah. There are a lot of dot, dot, dots in that sense. Yeah, yeah.

Exactly. Yeah. But look, I don't think he's the greatest choice. I think it's more to do with the look than his acting ability. Because have you seen Girls? The TV show Girls? A little bit. Very hipster.

Very Ezra Miller, as they say in the biz. We do say that. Yeah, he's pretty good in that show, but I don't know if he fits it. He's quite, I think he's like 29 as well Is that too old for Dick Grayson? How old's Ben Affleck now? 40,000 Then no, he's the perfect age

I think he's 42, 43 See, recording this podcast Clearly I'm unhappy with every choice Like CW looking generic blonde guys don't care for them. Too generic. Quirky indie guys don't like that either. Where's the happy medium? There isn't one. You lose, Hollywood.

I think generally... Will I see it anyway? Of course I will. Put a brick and draw like a... Put a disco collar around a brick. I'll still watch it. Good as Eddie. Yeah. I think a lot of people are not on board with casting initially.

All the rumoured casting. And I think they normally, for comic book movies, I'd say they more often than not get it right. Even if the movie's not great. I think you're probably right, yeah. Like Henry Cavill. Yeah. That's good. They nailed that, right?

Yep. Tony Stark, obviously. Incredible Hulk-nan. Is that how you say that? They got it right once. is that how you say that they got it right once roughly eventually they got it not Mazora

yeah but yeah I think I think you know generally they get it kick ass Nicolas Cage yeah that totally works yeah

not great you don't like kick ass mmm and they didn't like kick ass too much did you? I liked it a lot more than you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think you said it was too violent and you were scared at points. I was afraid. I was behind the couch a lot. And I saw it at the cinema. It was weird. I had to bring my own couch in. No, it was very... Like, the consequences of violence were so...

There was a lot of odd points in that. But, like, the consequences of violence were so vague. Like, Jim Carrey's character is like knife to death yeah but then kick-ass's girlfriend is like they're like hurt her bad and then she's in the hospital and she's got like a couple of scratches oh yeah well you know what happened in the comics yeah exactly so i'm glad they dialed it back yeah i'm not exactly i'm not exactly a fan of that sort of thing as like a as like a plot motivator like a shock kind of yeah yeah like well the hero's not going to get into gear

unless horrific things happen to his family and friends, but so I'm glad they dialed it back, but again also like, weird cheerleader sex stuff, because they kind of want it out both ways, they're like, oh this is going to be, you know, we're subverting kind of sexualisation

of young people and you've got to look, but you're so affronted by this whole thing, but at the same time, they're like, tits, guys. Cheerleader tits. How do you like that? I bet you do. That's very true. Yeah.

Well, I just looked at it at a surface level and boy, was it colorful. Boy, wasn't it though? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So many flashing lights. Yeah. Just people jump through glass rooms through the guy who directed that Jeff Wadlow

I believe his name is I think he's doing X-Force or is involved somehow in the X-Force movie huh I didn't know there was an X-Force movie in production

yeah apparently they're expanding the X-Men universe in a bigger way so Sony's doing this so yeah no not Sony Fox

oh that's right so what year of the X-Force is it I wonder I have no idea I hope it's Extreme 90s X-Force is it? I have no idea. I hope it's Extreme 90s X-Force. That's my favourite kind. I'm assuming that it's going to be like

here's Wolverine and some guy standing around him. Oh yeah, good point. They'll probably get Ryan Reynolds in, tape his face up like they did in X-Men Origins. Yeah, good point. This time he's a different generic guy. This time he's a different Weapon X, guys. So yeah, there we go though.

Ezra Miller and whoever. Nightwing. I think I'm a bit worried that this Man of Steel sequel is going to turn into everybody else but Superman right exactly yeah

Superman will get you know what they'll introduce Kryptonite they'll Professor X him you know that Professor X Professor X in every X-Men movie

they're like oh he's bedridden in this one the guy who could fix everything he's bedridden yeah this one. The guy who could fix everything is bedridden. Yeah. Yeah, he's been poisoned by the mind machine. Exactly. Or whatever that machine is called.

That's what they're going to do. I think you might be right. Yeah. Well, there was a thing, and I actually postponed this podcast. We were going to do it on Saturday. Because there was big bat news. There was supposed to be big bat news. Kevin Smith said, we've got big bat news coming up.

Kevin Smith said there's big bat news. We were hosting this hour-long live streaming web event about the Man of Steel Blu-ray. And I watched the whole thing. And it's fine if you're interested in Man of Steel and whatnot. And they ended up at the end, they're like, we've got some artwork we're going to auction for charity. And it's the first kind of...

Kevin Smith's kind of like, well, it's sort of like the first look at the Batman Superman movie. The artwork looks nothing like a movie kind of artwork. Nothing against the artwork. Some people hate it. I don't know anything about art. I don't understand it. I don't like it.

So I don't feel like I should comment. You're afraid of it. Fuck art. When you're in an art gallery, you have to hide behind the couch. Because you're so scared. Bring my own couch? Yeah. Hide behind it.

But, um, so yeah, I felt that was a bit kind of like, that was a bit deceptive. Sorry. That was a bit deceptive on his part. Because there was no real Man of Steel news. It's very P.T. Barnum, that guy. bit deceptive. Sorry. That was a bit deceptive on his part because there was no real Manistool news. It's very P.T. Barnum, that guy. What's P.T. Barnum?

We're back to carnival folk. You know, he's always, he's a bearded lady and you're like, ooh, and then it's, it's just a bearded lady.

Or a man. It could be a man. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he's very, he knows how to suck the people in. That's true. Suck you in.

He did. Big time. Bad news. But I listen to his podcasts and all the few of them. You know Suck you in. He did. You idiot. Big time. Bat news. But I listen to his podcasts and all the few of them. I like him. He's a great storyteller. Yeah, he is.

On the topic of that. Yeah, so sorry. The only thing that I sort of vaguely got out of it was that Zack Snyder said, oh, you know, we're still not sure whether the story is that

Superman and Batman are friends and then they fight or they fight, then they're friends. It could kind of go either way. So that's basically... They'll be fighting in friendship. We've got two important themes, guys. Two sides of the coin. What order do we put them in?

You know what? We'll flip a coin on the day. Who cares? As long as we destroy another city. Yeah. Actually, he got real defensive about the city-destroying thing as well. Because he's like, in the Avengers, they destroyed the city. Nobody said anything.

But I think, you know what's missing from that whole destruction scene? I come back to this a lot. Somebody rescuing all the thousands of people. Somebody rescuing somebody. There would have been just a few quick moments where Zod, like, throws a bus or something. And Superman just catches it, saves somebody, and just does a few little things along the way. So he's not just smashing through buildings the whole time. That's a good point.

He doesn't even give it a go. No. I mean, he does at the end, but it's kind of like, you've knocked down a lot of buildings at this point. Yeah, yeah. Presumably thousands of people. Yeah.

Because there's no... The city wasn't evacuated, right? Well, no. And he said... The numbers he actually said in this very video was about 5,000 would have died. No, more than that. So many more.

And we both liked that movie. Yeah, yeah. I know you liked it quite a bit. I did like it, yeah. Okay, how about this here's an easy out for you the Flash is there saving everybody

so just do that just put that in just have a Flash movie of him going what the hell just run and bash it for yeah yeah he's done it before

or maybe don't even don't even have that character in there just be like just one line in the next film yeah the Flash saved everybody and you'd never show him

well he's turning up in Arrow CW's Arrow another reason why it might be in the future do. He had a flash save everybody, and he'd never show him. Well, he's turning up at Arrow. CW's Arrow. Another reason why it might be in the future. Do we know which one he is yet? I think it is Barry Allen. Okay, cool. Again, I haven't confirmed that since last time I didn't confirm it. Doesn't matter.

Yeah. Alright, moving along from Batman Superman. Please. Sin City, A Dame to Kill For, the sequel to Sin City, which is becoming eight years after the original. Big news. Nine years. Big news. The title is being changed to A Dame to Kill for, the sequel to Sin City, which is coming eight years after the original. Big news. Nine years. Big news.

The title is being changed to A Dame to Die For. You're a liar. I'm not a liar. It wasn't big news at all. Oh, I thought you meant the news. Yeah, no, that's... I did lie about the big news. Yeah.

Yeah. I was actually... I was contemplating not putting that in, but then I did anyway. Yeah. What do you think of that? It's pretty good. Thanks. Moving along.

I think behind the curtain listeners, I insisted he put that in so I could mock him. Wolverine 3. Now, James Mangold. Have you seen The Wolverine? Yes. Have you seen The Wolverine 3? No. Correct answer.

Yeah. You tried to trick me. That was a trick. Yeah. Now, James Mangold, apparently, this is again a rumour, the director of Wolverine 3, apparently he talks to direct another one and apparently he's going to get a lot of free reign on this one. Even more so than the last one

because of how well the Wolverine did. I think it's the second highest grossing X-Men film. Might be behind The Last Stand. But I might be wrong about that. But I'm definitely right. Yeah, definitely right. Are you okay with seeing another Wolverine film?

Or do you think maybe Wolverine should... Well, look, all the X-Men films are essentially Wolverine films. They are, yeah. Except First Class. Yeah. Who he gets a small cameo in. Do you think if they are going to do a solo Wolverine film, should there be more X-Men related films that aren't Wolverine?

Like X-Force. Who else? Who else can carry a solo? Like, I remember when X-Mence who else who else can carry a solo like I remember when X-Men Origins came out people were like oh they're going to

be a series of X-Men Origins films there's going to be Magneto but you know what the sense always trailed off after that it was always like

they'll do Magneto and there's some some some yeah there won't be any because they're the only

two with interesting backstories yeah look I'd love to see Cyclops return in some form lead a team shoot some There won't be any because they're the only two with interesting backstories. Look, I'd love to see Cyclops return in some form. Lead a team. Shoot some lasers. Yeah, shoot some lasers.

I bet he comes back at the end of Days of Future Past. I bet something... They'll adjust the timeline. Yeah, they'll adjust the timeline and come back. Well, you never see him... I mean, obviously,

no one ever really dies in comic books. You never see his body in X-Men 3. I always assumed that he'd come back at the end of that film. One minute in that movie I was watching it

and he disappeared. A few months down the line I'm watching a different movie and he shows up flying a plane for Superman. Huh. What is that? I don't know.

Witness protection, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. But I'd like to see him focus on other mutants. But yeah. Who's left? Give me one interesting one.

Skim. No. Beast. Skim. No. Beast. Magnet. No. Well, that's the thing, though. The young crew in the X-Men First Class, they're very interesting, I think. There's a lot you could do with them.

Maybe Nightcrawler. He's just at Sunday school every day. Just repenting? Yeah, just repent. So much repenting. Yeah. Oh, I'd say... Cable? Yeah, just repent. So much repenting. Yeah. Oh, I'd say, uh... Cable?

No. Too complicated. Juggernauts? No. Oh, is it... Is it Vinnie Jones? Yes. Maybe.

Just him smashing stuff for two hours. That'd be pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're right, though. That's a really good point. Surely, Gambit. Oh, but they ruined him already. Oh, yeah. Redcon, though. Whatever. Yeah. Okay, good point. Surely, Gambit. Oh, but they ruined him already.

Oh, yeah. Redcon, though. Whatever. Yeah, okay, good point. Yeah, so there you go. Now, this is something that's very close to your heart. Is it? There was a few trailers out this week.

It's a dagger! Get it away from my heart! You traitor! It's weird that I put this on the internet after I've read your life. I'm such an idiot. I'm not a good murderer. No. But, yeah, two trailers this week.

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I'll get some cash. Ah, you're a good friend. Okay, anyway, what's close to my heart besides this dagger well there was a Lord of Rings trailer you probably didn't

see that Hobbits yeah actually looks pretty good that aside it's the desolation of Smaug what's a Smaug

it's like a dragon yeah a Dugong it's a Dugong I think it looks cool didn't like the last Hobbit much I think this one looks better anyway didn't like the last Hobbit much. Yeah.

I think this one looks better. Anyway, that aside, new Robot Cop trailer. Robot Cop. Rob the Cop. Rob the Cop. Yeah. Robbie the Robot. Yeah.

What do you think of that trailer? I know you're a big fan of the original, part two, part three, and the TV series. No, none of those. Not the TV movies either. Not the animated series. I kind of like the animated series. No. No one's ever gotten right. No one's ever gotten right,

no one's ever gotten Robocop right besides Peter Weller. Yeah. The, the, the combination of he's a heavy machine

but he's also got some kind of finesse? Yeah, some finesse. But yeah, everybody, any time,

like in Robocop 3 he was replaced by somebody. Oh, was it 3 he was replaced? I didn't know that. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I've no idea. That's the one where he flies at the end. Oh, was it 3 he was replaced? I didn't know that. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I've no idea.

That's the one where he flies at the end. Yeah, yeah, and he fights robot ninjas. Oh my god. That's pretty good. I played the video game of that. Yeah, the video game was really good. No, it wasn't. Oh, you must have played a different one.

Yes. The one on the Amiga 500 was great. No, I didn't play it on that. It was like a first person game and you fight a ninja from the first person perspective. Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about. What? That was good, was it? And there was a driving bit?

Hmm, maybe. Yeah. Let's agree to disagree because neither of us knows the one I'm talking about. What? That was good, was it? And there was a driving bit? Hmm, maybe. Yeah. Let's agree to disagree because neither of us knows which one we're talking about. But yeah. Okay, so the first...

You love Robocop. I do love Robocop. Yeah. So the first one, the first trailer came out and everybody hated it. Yes. Because everybody thought,

well, it's a Hollywood, oh, they've Hollywooded up Robocop. They're basically Total Recall the way they Total Recall Total Recall. They've gone,

oh my God, they've taken this Hollywood movie and they've taken this Hollywood movie And they've made a Hollywood version of it Oh no, what about my precious memories Of my Hollywood movies from back in the 80s I could never compare This Hollywood movie, this modern day Hollywood movie

You know what It did look very Hollywood though I mean, yeah I mean, I won't lie to you So the first trailer Well it's not R for one The first though. I mean, I won't lie to you. It didn't. So the first trailer, everybody, well, it's not R for one. Yeah.

Okay. So yeah, the first, although a lot of stuff that was R back in the day has been reclassified. Yeah. So everybody was down on the first one. It looked very Hollywood and I maintain, I held out some hope because the director of the new Robocop,

Jose Padilla. Well said. Thank you. Probably wrong. Same letters. He directed, have you seen Elite Force? No, I haven't. You gave me a copy of that and I still haven't watched it. I'd like that back, please.

USB or whatever it was, I'd like it back. Thank you. But it's, he directed a film called Elite Force. Well, it's Elite Force 2, but here it's called Elite Force The Enemy Within. And it's sort of, it's it's as if it's a South called Elite Force. Well, it's Elite Force 2, but here it's called Elite Force, The Enemy Within. Yeah. And it's sort of, it's as if, it's a South American The Wire in sort of TV form. It's got good action. It's got good political intrigue. Yeah.

And it's really good. And I assume that, well, I hope that in going in, he's taken some of that storytelling skill and he's put it into this Robocop this new version of Robocop Robocop yeah a lot of people have said well you know

Guillermo del Toro's first Hollywood film was Mimic and they kind of Mimic's okay yeah exactly it's okay yeah

but they're like you know oh the magic of Guillermo well often often like foreign filmmakers foreign yes

I mean what that's a relative term that's racist continue like John Woo didn't translate very well I don't think. I mean,

people love Face Off. I love Face Off, but Face Off is not good. No. Paycheck is amazing. That's a trick. That's one of your tricks again. No,

I, but I, there's some interesting touches. There's some, so far in the trailers we've seen like some interesting homages.

Like, in the first Robocop there there's nothing left of him. When they put... When they're building Robocop, there's nothing left of him except his right arm. And they're like, we can save his arm. Well, some of his brain. Yeah. What's left of his face.

And one arm. And they're like, no, throw away the arm. We don't need it. Yeah. In this one, he's got the arm. Well, there's a reason behind that. There's a lot more human left. Yeah, go ahead. Well, the reason behind... I think he's got the arm well there's a reason behind that there's a lot more there's a lot more human left

yeah yeah go ahead well the reason behind I think he's got he's got legs and whatnot as well oh not legs he's got stumps

yeah he's got like most of his torso is still intact he's lost an arm yeah well apparently he keeps the human arm so that he can like

shake hands and stuff so like there is a human behind this this metal monster see that's a little bit clever yeah I think so yeah see and it's sort of

yeah he there's no horrific you know torture scene where he's tortured to death like in the first one he's killed with a bomb so

he goes to his car and it explodes which I mean is that the doing of Omnicorp we don't know yet I bet it is I bet they're like this guy's the perfect

specimen to do this but I think it's like seeing the second trailer whereas the first Robocop was sort of this this satire I bet they're like, this guy's the perfect specimen to do this. But I think it's like seeing the second trailer, whereas the first Robocop was sort of this satire of the corporatisation of America, this one is sort of like, it's a satire of the militarisation of America. Because they're kind of trying to take all these weapons of war that have worked so well overseas and they're trying to bring them to the streets of America.

So I think there's some satire in there. Satire doesn't have to be funny, nor does it have to be incredibly bloody and violent. Then how will I get it? That's a good point, actually, yeah. So you're on board with it then? I'm on board. I'm surprised.

I thought you'd flip out, to be honest. No, I'm actually quite... Interestingly as well, there seems to be... He seems to have kept a lot more of his humanity in this. Yeah. Like, there's a brief clip in there

of him sort of palling around at his desk oh yeah the fellow officers yeah but in that scene he's riddled with bullets as well he can slow it down

oh okay well you know life's like that sometimes for a cop you know because the first one was all sort of about you know his

his being his consciousness was sort of subsumed with his being his consciousness was sort of subsumed into this robot programming and he he was just this emotionless robot

and at the end we discover spoiler alert that you know he fights back the program and he becomes Murphy at the end

this one he seems to still be Murphy for pretty much the whole thing but the the twist is that he thinks that he's

in control but he's actually not and he's fighting back against that do you think thinks that he's in control in control but he's actually not and he's fighting back against that do you think he'll become more in control as the movie goes on

I think so not less definitely more I mean less for a bit yeah and then he'll fight back and then good on him

but when you think about it who really is in control of their own life James you know what I mean oh wow you know it's deep you've just

you've touched on something yeah so I mean I again I hold out hope that this is going to be great, but then, again, I've been wrong before. Yes, you have. Multiple times. Specifically about Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Segway.

There it is. Nice work. There's a bulletproof segway for you. Yeah. Well, Ratings of Star, Ratings of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Ratings of S.H.I.E.L.D. I watch, you know how there's like Talking Dead and it comes out you watch that i don't know

no i'm aware of it though okay you know they talk about walking dead afterwards yeah would you watch ratings of shield and after an episode of agents of shield they're just like oh this ain't looking good there's just a a graph and it's going down the episodes are getting worried worried riders just sweating they're like the episodes are getting worse. They're just worried riders, just sweating. They're like, the episodes are getting worse and people aren't watching. I don't understand. Why is there a correlation between those two things? Look, that's what we're here to talk about. We finally got around to it a half an hour in.

That's okay, though. There was a lot of news. Yeah, there was a lot of news this week. And diversions. Sure was. At least we didn't talk about Harry Potter this week. Are we gonna? I've done no research and I'm angry about it.

I've got some rating stats for Aether's Shield. Now, the pilot debuted, this is in the US, at 12.12 million. That's a lot. That's not including online and torrents and whatnot, obviously. Yep. That was the highest rating pilot in four years since V, which I didn't watch at all. Lizard Monsters. Yeah, I remember Liz, yeah, the Lizard Monsters, sure.

The woman from Serenity was in it. Yeah, exactly. Still didn't watch it. No,ard monsters. Yeah, I remember the lizard monsters, sure. The woman from Serenity was in it. Yeah, exactly. Still didn't watch it. No, me neither. That shows the power of V. Yeah, well, it did get cancelled. Yeah. Yeah, eventually.

Not even eventually. Might have been the next episode. Could have been. That would have been a bit premature. But the ratings continue to drop every week. Now, normally shows level out at this point, because they're seven in, I want to say. Might be six.

Seven to seven. Seven in. have allowed at this point because they're seven in i want to say might be six seven to seven seven in um so it's gone as low this week as 7.15 million which again is not terrible but the fact that it hasn't leveled out is um is worrying some people well not really that's probably not worrying you no i don't care i don't care in the least but um why do you think that is though and especially it's strange because last week the fact that it got even lower that came off the back

of Thor the Dark World coming out internationally and yet you know big cross promotion kind of thing for that and yet it still

continued to drop because it's not very good it's not very good so what has happened is we've lost all the people who are big fans

of comic books. Yep. Well, that's the thing. There's a lot of editors on the comic book movie website who have stopped watching it. Yep. Like people who love comic book movies. Smart ones. Smart people, yeah.

Sorry, go on. So we've lost those. Yeah. And at that point it would probably level out. But you're also losing people who don't like genre. So they'd watch a CSI or they'd watch a, you know, whatever. Yeah. CSI Miami.

CSI Miami, thank you. But they're not... Under the dome. They're okay with watching people CSI murders, but not magic viruses from aliens. Do you think people are getting sick of Coulson? Or do you think they're ruining the character of Coulson?

Or do you think he remains untouched? I do like his little sides. Yeah. About going on holidays to little places. I would probably watch a Coulson travelogue show or something like that. But, I don't know. They did the reveal. He's got the scar. the reveal he's got the

he's got the scar he doesn't have a he's not a robot no externally at least no yeah I don't know

I want I don't you know what Coulson fine good like him I want to see some costumes yeah

I want to see some we're in a costume world every few weeks though they're like and this is the new villain and the gravitoid gravitoid gravitvitoid? Graviton.

Gravity. Wait, Gravitron? Gravitron. Which one was the carnival ride? Was that the Gravitron? That was the Gravitron. Okay, so this is Graviton.

Okay. Yeah, he's in it. That's how you remember it. That's how I remember it, yeah. Is it a carnival ride or is it a supervillain? Mad Mouse? Either way.

Mad Hatter? No, he's a supervillain. Good call. Yeah. Well done. Thank you. What was I going to No, he's a supervillain. Good call. Yeah. Well done. Thank you. What was I going to say? A ghost house supervillain.

Yeah. A haunted house. Yeah, they brought in Scorch, who I wasn't even familiar with. You know what? Here's a good measure of how popular, like how low in the list they are. A, that I don't really recognize them. That's a good sign. That's a bad sign, ultimately. If you

Google image search the character, Scorch Marvel, how many images come up? Not many. Yeah. Oh, they're all from that episode. They're all from that episode, exactly. There's like two in costume and there's, yeah, just from that episode. So that's a bad sign. They are scraping the bottom of the barrel when they don't have to. No, they don't. Because Marvel have literally thousands of characters.

Not all of them are going to become film properties. No. Just take some of the C-list. Yeah. The C-list will be fine.

You're never going to get to any of those. Who owns Mysterio? Does Sony own Mysterio? Ah, do they? They must. Yeah, they probably... Why do you want Mysterio

in Agents of Sh Mysterio I like Mysterio I like to see him in some well maybe not with a fishbowl no definitely with a fishbowl I want it filled

with fish okay good yeah please no I don't know well look do you think also there's no

it doesn't seem to be any kind of there's a lack of like a clear villain or goal isn't there that vague woman yeah but

it's not really... The vague woman. When was the last time that was even really... Episode one. Yeah. Possibly the one with Scorch. The one with Scorch. It just seems to be like, what are they up against here?

Just like a different artifact each week that they have to look for? Well, they're up against some villains who have access to Extremis, which Tony Stark can already reverse engineer. So that's not a problem. Well, he said he could. He said he could, I guess. Maybe Pepper Potts has exploded. If this is the deleted scene on the Iron Man 3,

he's like, I gave it a go, but I'm going to back up. I'm going to back up out of the room. It's been nice knowing you, Pepper. Freedom. Yeah, so there's those villains I'm going to back up out of the room it's been nice knowing you Peppa freedom yeah so okay so there's those yeah so there's those

villains who we know are fairly easily dealt with yeah and the rising tide yeah who are

a guy a guy well there's other guys some generic computer hackers sure which you know how much of a threat

is that in a universe where people can literally turn into data and travel on phone lines? Yeah, that's a good point. Do you think it's like a watered-down version of the X-Files? Then again, X-Files became a watered-down version of the X-Files in the end. It's a watered-down version of a lot of things. It's a watered-down version of whatever they want to do this week.

Okay. That's the thing about the Marvel Universe is it contains everything. It contains vampires and monsters and aliens and cyborgs and mutants and magic and everything. Yeah. And so, in an ideal world, we'd get an insane version of that every week. But instead, because it's for broadcast

television, it's a watered-down version. So it's going to become a watered-down version of Supernatural or a watered-down version of The X-Files. It's got a plane, though. Oh, they've got a good plane, haven't they? Yeah. Is that plane CGI when it's flying? It'd have to be.

Man. I don't know. Every time I see that plane I go, I wonder if that's a real plane. When it's landed I think it's a real plane. I think it's probably a credit to the writers of the show that every time that you're distracted that whatever amazing plot twist is happening on the show

you're like, is that a model? Is that Balsa wood? Extracted. Whatever amazing plot twist is happening on the show, you're like, is that a model? Is that Balsawood? I wonder if I can buy one of those. Is that a little stand? You're right. When you stop and you think about the things like that, you know something's wrong there. And I always find it...

It's got a logo on the roof. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. Especially when we've seen the Helicarrier. Yeah, yeah. And we've seen the Captain America trailer. Yeah. And so... And then they've got a plane

And Coulson's apparently quite up there And he gets a little plane You think he should get something in the middle Like a little Helicarrier Just something you can park at home But what do you think of the other characters? Jake Chisel I don't know any of their names

Sky, there's one Scorch And Fitzsimmons Jake Chiseled? I don't know any of their names. Neither do I. Seven in... Oh, Sky. There's one. No, so I think we can do this. Scorch. Scorch. Scorch. He went crazy for... And Fitzsimmons. Was he?

No, they're the two. The scientists. Oh, are they both Fitzsimmons? No, one's Fitz and one's Simmons. Okay. You know, Fitz, like that incredibly common last name that everybody has. You know, it's not at all that they've done it... I think they had one character initially and they're like, we need one to be a cute girl.

Yeah. So that's... We've got a few cute girls in there. What's Jake Chisel's real name? The main agent. If it were a good show, we'd probably know, wouldn't we? Yeah. I don't think he's bad in it.

He's fine. Yeah, but... Ah. What's the pilot's name? Ming-Na Wen. I don't know. I know you know her real name. Yeah. And her nickname's The Cavalry. Yeah. But I don't know what her pilot's name? Ming-Na Wen I don't know I know you know her real name and her nickname's The Cavalry

but I don't know what her character's name is wow isn't that amazing you know why it is I mean I'm not good with names anyway but we're going there's no title sequence

that's why it should say as oh okay and then we'd remember they should have an A-Team style theme at the start and then

Jake Chisel or whatever yeah yeah yeah Jake Chisel. Jake Chisel as or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jake Chisel as Jake Chisel. It's the actor's name, isn't it? Yeah. It's the same. Yeah.

No, I don't know. I don't... Yeah, I think we'd know at this point. You know what? To be fair, though, in the last episode... I don't think it's... It's not that bad. Yeah.

It's just not that good. It's a letdown compared to the films. Totally. Or other TV series. There's a few glimmers of... Or the plane. Is it a real plane? I don't know. There's a few

little glimmers in there where I'm like, that's pretty good. Flying car at the start. That was the Joss Whedon episode though. No, that was true. Yeah. I thought that scene, even though I didn't know the characters Fitzsimmons names. Correct. I thought that last episode where it looked like she was going to die, I thought that was quite a good kind of wrap up. Did you last episode where it looked like she was going to die,

I thought that was quite a good kind of wrap up. Did you believe even for a second that she was going to die? You know what though, because it's a Joss Whedon thing, I thought there's a possibility. Anyone could die at any moment.

But then I thought it's too early in. He'll kill somebody or they'll kill somebody but it'll be towards the end of the series. I don't think there's enough characters to kill.

Serenity, they did it. And what is there in Serenity? There's two people on that ship? Yeah. Email in, let me know in Serenity? There's two people on that ship? Yeah. Email in, let me know. I'm pretty sure

it's two. On the plane. The captain and the other guy. Serenity. Serenity, yeah. John Serenity. No, I don't know.

People are going to be annoyed by that and I don't care personally, but your physics nerds out there are going to be mad because she can open I don't care personally, but your physics nerds out there are going to be mad. Because she can open the cargo bay door and stand there.

Yeah. If she doesn't go flying out immediately, they can't be up that high. Yeah. And so if she leaps and it takes Chisel 30 seconds to get on a parachute and jump out after her, she's already hit the ground. Yeah. So people are going to be upset. But isn't it if you open something, once the pressure's stabilised, you can stand near it?

But wind shear. Oh, wind. Wind. I didn't think of wind. You didn't think of wind. You're always... I never do. You never do, you goose.

It's my greatest weakness. Okay, so give me another... You're saying that they're... Are you saying the chemistry works? I think they're trying to develop love triangles. Yeah. Between everyone, though. Like, just a complete random assortment.

Like, between... Hang on. Simmons is the girl. So, between her and Jake Chisel. Yeah. And then between Chisel and Skye. And then between... Jake Chisel.

This poor guy. I know, right? He's like a legitimate actor. I know, right? And then between Skye and Fitz, I think, they'll be like, well, I think they're just trying to drop as many seeds as they can. Yeah. And then at some point they'll be like, well, fans want to see these two together so we

can just pair them all. Yeah. So it'll be fine. Yeah. You're probably right. And then Coulson and his car. Where's it going? Where do you think it's going?

The car. The car's been sitting there for several episodes. The car hasn going? Where do you think it's going? The car. The car's been sitting there for several episodes. The car hasn't done much now, has it? No, no. Guy touched it last week. You know what?

It's kind of ridiculous. Like, I love it as a piece of kind of 1960s spy paraphernalia. Yeah. But if you saw him flying in a battle in that, you'd be like, that's ridiculous.

Like, it works flying away. It works kind of maybe cruising along the Riviera. But if they're fighting superpower terrorists and you see that flying into battle, ridiculous. You're right. You're absolutely right. Where do you think they're going with it? Yeah.

Honestly, I think they're just kind of trying to keep afloat till the next movie. Yeah, they haven't really done... Isn't there going to be a tie-in somewhere? That's the thing. That's the next thing I was going to say. A Thor tie-in. There's a Thor tie-in.

I think it's on the 19th, that episode of this month. It's coming up. Do you think it's going to be Kat Dennings? She's going to pop in in two seconds. I really hope not.

And she's going to hand over some... She's going to hand over a meter of some sort. Like some sort of device. Strange readings. Strange readings. And then she leaves.

That's it. I'm calling it right now. I hope it's not. It's not going to be Stellan Skarsgård, I And then she leaves. That's it. I'm calling it right now. I hope it's not. It's not going to be Stellan Skarsgård, I'll tell you what. He's probably off doing some sort of

theatre thing. He's a nude lunatic for no reason. That's a good point. He is a nude lunatic. Can't put that on television. Yeah, well, look, I think that'll be

a disappointing tie-in unless it's Thor or unless it's another Asgardian like Loki or Sif or anybody else. I think people are going to be disappointed.

Captain America tie-in, I'll tell you what it is. What? It's Kobe Smulders from How I Met Your Mother. She's going to drop his trading cards back. Oh, you're still alive? Here's your trading cards. That's it. They're your two tie-ins.

You've done it. Yeah. You're a genius. I've called it. Then also, Coulson was saying, not Coulson, what's his name? Clark Ray. Clark Ray was saying that he's excited for that upcoming episode. I've got this quote written down. I may have got it wrong because

I'm only human. Where he says, there'll be some superheroes fighting and instead of saying, oh, Colson's gone now, they'll say, Colson's sued up. Colson's sued up. But it's interesting that he said, there'll be some superheroes fighting. Also, would he really sued up but it's interesting that he said there'll be some superheroes fighting also would he really suit up or would they just be like continue what you were in Coulson and go and

fly your car into battle fly that ride into battle yeah so maybe that indicates there will be some superheroes

but I don't think there will be it's probably just an offhand comment that I've taken quite literally why aren't there any costumes

it's a costumed universe because they look dumb they do look dumb you're right you're right. It's true. They're hard to do right. I mean, Avengers had Captain America and that suit doesn't look great. But if you look at Hawkeye's costume, for example, if you get a realistic

looking costume, it's just a guy in a black suit. In a weird leather, sleeveless shirt or whatever he's wearing. But look, there is going to be also a link to Captain America at the last episode. But look, there is going to be also a link to Captain America at the last episode of the season, which is April of next year, whenever it is. And that'll

tie into the shield that is in Captain America that we just told you. Because you know the shield in that they've got multiple helicarriers and Sam Jackson's like, we're going to be on the offence! And Robert Redford's like, I'm not dead! I'm not the Red Skull, certainly! Yeah, so what do you think of that?

Tying it in again. Yes, it's going to be the most token thing. There's licensing issues. I don't want to give you a wet blanket on this. I do. But it sucks. Yeah, it sucks. Okay, before I move on, we move on.

Best show ever or worst show ever? Worst show ever, it has to be. By the rules of the game, man. That's true. I wish it wasn't the worst show ever. Yeah. Are be. By the rules of the game, man. It's the worst show ever. Are you going to continue? I wish it wasn't the worst show ever. Yeah. Are you going to continue watching it? I guess so.

Rules are rules once again. That's right. I wish it were a better show. Yeah. Well, we'll come back and we'll do a recap at the end, I guess. You know what? I kind of hope Joss Whedon comes back somehow and they get into script after it or something. Yeah.

Well, you know. We'll see. But you know what? It's not all doom and gloom for the Marvel Universe on television. Oh. Do you know why? Why's that? Well, first of all, there's going to be one more show developed at ABC, the network that

has Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. They're thinking the rumor is Agent Carter TV spinoff. That's one of the rumors. Okay, great. Which is cool. I think she's cool. Uh-huh, sure. But the big news this week is that Marvel have struck a deal with Netflix to make four 13-part,

13-episode series of four different series. One of them covering Daredevil, one of them covering Jessica Jones, one covering Iron Fist, one covering Luke Cage, and then they'll combine for a mini-series event called The Defenders. The Defenders at long last. Oh, my favourites. Flash Gordon. The Phantom. Mandrake the Magician.

Lothar. Lothar Jr. That's the one, right? That's the one. Yeah. You got it in one. I'm thinking of Defenders of the Earth. You are.

Defenders of the Earth. Defenders. Out of the sky His rockets ignite I did some research Stan Lee wrote those lyrics Of course he did Exactly Have you seen

There's a trailer For a new show Where Stan Lee Yeah It's a TV Is it called Real Life Superheroes No it's not that

It's an animated series Where a team of Space alien humans Crash Stan Lee comes across And but it's Stan Lee In It's an animated series where a team of space alien humans crash. Stan Lee comes across them, but it's Stan Lee in the real world. And he's like, I'm used to superheroes, but this is ridiculous. These are in the real world. So it's Stan Lee as he is now looking after a team of superheroes from space. He finally got that acting break he's always wanted.

I will never watch that. Not ever. It looks really terrible. But it gets one of those things. It's for kids. Yeah. never watch that. Not ever. It looks really terrible. But it gets one of those things. It's for kids. Yeah. So anyway, I did some research. So that was part of my research. Stan Lee. Also, Defenders of the Earth. Yeah. When Ming the Merciless invades the planet. 2015 it said. Oh, really? Yeah. Year in a bit. And that's actually the year that these series starts. They're going to kick off with Daredevil, which is great. I love Daredevil. Yeah.

And I'm glad they're giving it this treatment. Maybe even more glad than doing a movie because you can do a lot with a 13 episode story arc, especially on Netflix. I mean, you've seen

some of the shows on there. They've got House of Cards, which is great. New series Arrested of Vellum. New series Arrested of Vellum.

But if you look what they do with television, things like Game of Thrones and whatnot, there's a lot of stuff you can do. And I'd imagine they'd have a pretty decent budget for that 13 episodes.

And there's really not... There wouldn't be too much special effects involved with these kind of characters. A little bit of flying with Jessica Jones. You've got to get the Billy Club right. Got to get the Billy Club right, yeah. But I think we're at a point in time where this can be done properly

and the line is merging between television and movies just like we're seeing in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. successfully. Oh, it hurt your heart to say that. It did. It really did.

Alright, first of all I'm looking forward to it. Good. Secondly it's not really Defenders. Why not? It's more Heroes for Hire. Oh!

That's what I thought! Yeah. Continue. Elaborate. We'll see. I understand why it's the Defenders. It's not the Avengers and it's nice to have

like a companion thing. But, alright, Luke Cage and Iron Fist have both been in the Defenders. Yes. But not together. Ah. So, the Defenders is real.

The Defenders is sort of, it's the C-list Avengers. It's whoever's left over. It's like, okay, the Avengers has Hulk and Iron Man and Captain America and blah, blah. Who's left? Who's like okay the Avengers has Hulk and Iron Man and Captain America and blah blah

who's left who's not on the team right now yeah and we need another book so it's like and it's weird cosmic people

it's like Doctor Strange and Silver Surfer and like Valkyrie Silver Surfer yeah Silver Surfer's on it sometimes okay yeah

it's a grab bag yeah Nomad um Nighthawk Nighthawk wait Darkhawk Darkhawk and Nighthawk yeah Yeah. It's a grab bag. Yeah. Nomad. Did they look after Nighthawk? Nighthawk? Wait, Darkhawk.

Darkhawk? And Nighthawk? Yeah, but not together. What about Nightdark? Not a thing. Not a thing. Really? It's a thing I'm afraid of,

obviously. The Nightdark. That's my character. I bet everybody hears that. Nightdark is mine. Wow. I invented it. Blame it.

Yeah. Yeah, so it is more heroes for hire. Well, Daredevil's definitely the most well-known of those. Yeah. I invented it blame it um yeah yeah so it is more it is more Heroes for Hire but well Daredevil's definitely the most well known of those yeah what do you think of the other characters though

were you ah I only really care about Daredevil the other ones I'm like yeah I'll definitely watch them but Daredevil's the one I'll just say are they all going to come out in the one block like Arrested Development did

like all 13 episodes I I'd imagine so they may not though I'd love it if they did because then we could just bang it out and do an episode

in 2015 yeah I'm looking for this I mean Daredevil, Iron Fist Luke Cage sort of ground level heroes

like kind of brawlers yeah Jessica Jones who has sort of reformed superhero well she's reformed and she former superhero

and she's you know she has a child with Luke Cage in the comic book so that's that's, and she, former superhero, and she is, you know, she has a child with Luke Cage in the comic book, so that's where the link is. Yeah. But I worry that, I don't know,

she'll be kind of like this weird, she'll be the big gun, but she'll be this weird one flying character in this universe. I don't know. Unless they depower her, because in the comic book

she never really got the hang of flight. Okay. So maybe that's, they'll depower her to that point where she's just, she is a brawler like the rest of them kind of thing. A lot of really messed up things happen to her in the comics, don't they?

Correct, yes. Yeah. I don't look, to be honest, I don't know a lot about Jessica Jones. Uh-huh. But yeah, read some Wikipedia stuff. Wow. Yep. A lot of stuff.

Jeez. A lot of, yeah. Yeah. I think there's a good thing, though, about this, the 13 episodes. You could probably get a big name for it you can get Kevin Spacey for House of Cards you can get Kevin Spacey

for Daredevil you can get Kevin Spacey for Jessica Jones you can get Kevin Spacey for Luke Cage yeah nice yeah

my friend met Kevin Spacey once did I tell you that story I've heard that story I'm not going to tell it no that's an off air that's an off air story you can tell it again

later though it's pretty good yeah look I think now apparently is this going to be a period piece or is this this is modern era I'm pretty sure it's modern era That's an off-air story. You can tell it again later, though. It's pretty great. Yeah, look. I think... Now, apparently... Is this going to be a period piece or is this modern era? I'm pretty sure it's modern era.

Yeah. If it's successful, the Disney CEO, Bob Iger? Iger. The hunchback. Who gored someone's eye out. He's been working there

for years and years and he's finally gotten his big break and I'm very happy for him. Good on him. Just for ringing that bell. You know what the original ending of Hunchback of Notre Dame is in the story? and years and he's finally gotten his big break and I'm very happy for him. Good on him. Just for ringing that bell. You know what the original ending of Hunchback of Notre Dame is in the story?

What's that? Esmeralda dies and he climbs into a grave and hugs her corpse until he starves to death. Jeez. Disney! That's pretty great. What I was going to say about Jessica Jones, you should really read that. You should really read Alias. Yeah.

To a lesser extent, The Pulse. Did you not bring this up a few weeks ago that you'd like to see Alias? I did see that. You're calling everything. I'm calling all the things. You've called one thing. I've called one thing. That's the one thing I called.

I think that was a rumor anyway. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's really good. And it's got one of my favorite things in the comic book medium, which is that the stuff set in the present day is sort of a photorealistic, sort of modern art style. But when you see a flashback, it's the flashback in the era that it was set. So her superhero scenes are set,

illustrated by Mark Bagley, who was sort of a big Spider-Man artist back in the day. So it's that very kind of cartoony kind of... They do a lot of that with Daredevil as well, don't they? Yeah, yeah. With like Daredevil yellow and a few other bits and pieces. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, here's my dilemma with Daredevil.

How are they going to go? Are they going to go violent or are they going to go wacky? I'd love it if they went violent. I've been reading a lot of Daredevil lately. Bendis by Michael Benton. What's his name? Yeah, that's the one. I'm just going to look the name now because I'm opening it literally right now.

I know. I know. I know. And do you think they can resist, because it's a TV series, do you think they can resist a scene where Matt Murdock, you see him working feverishly, making a costume, cutting it up and sewing or whatever, and then he's like, here I am. I'm Daredevil and he's wearing the yellow costume.

And it's like, oh, better try again,vil and he's wearing the yellow costume and it's like better try again Matt Murdock do you think they'll put that in I think they'll absolutely put that in I hope they don't

I hope they launch it and he is Daredevil but like I'm at college my dad died and I hope they don't go through all that I want to see it

in flashback just launch into it launch straight into it which is I think one of the good things about the Daredevil movie. One of the few good things is that it is Daredevil. Yeah.

I mean, actually, no. They do have a... Mercifully brief. Yeah. I think we covered this. What's it called? Origin scene. I hope he also wears...

You know what? I hope for an assortment of outfits. I hope for his extreme 90s outfit. Yeah. You have the metal outfits. Yeah. So good. Wow.

I'm looking forward to it. Apparently, if any of these, as I was saying, Bob iGouge was saying that if any of these are successful, then they might get a movie out of it. People just say that. They say a lot of things, don't they? Yeah. Remember when Halle Berry's Jinx was going to get her own movie in Die Another Day? Do you remember that?

Yeah. We saw that at the cinema, didn't we? We sure did. Yeah. Yeah. She was his equivalent. That's what they said. She was Bond's equivalent.

Yeah, Lady Bond. God, what a bad movie. Anyway. Yeah, pretty good. As for the rest, I don't know. I mean, Iron Fist is all martial arts. And fists. He actually impersonated Daredevil at one point when Daredevil was in prison.

I know. But my point is, for Daredevil, especially for Iron Fist, they're going to have to get a great fight choreographer. Oh, yeah. And that, is there a good one? Well, have you seen a good one? Yes. Arrow. Is it Arrow?

It is Arrow. Arrow is quite good. Okay, alright, good. I don't know if it's the way they light it, or the way they film it, or the way they martial art it. But it's generally, it's pretty good. Because, yeah, I mean, he's a trained fighter, but Iron Fist, you know, he's one of the greatest martial artists in the world. Yeah. Is he better than me? He's a bit better, yeah.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. We'll see. Plus he's got the Iron Fist. Oh, yeah. You've got pudding fists. It's not a good look, really. But they're going to have to ramp it up. I don't know what the fight... You know what? I'll watch the Mario this week. Okay. They're going to really have to lift their game and that sort of thing like we've we've seen some bad martial

arts in movies no kidding birds of prey just lifted stuff out of the matrix there was a lot of just direct it was horrific do they do that kind of like somebody would jump into the air and the camera would i think they did one of those yep i think they did a sort of uh two guys lock hands and then sort of barrel roll in the air. It was horrific. But anyway, you know what? It's got to be like, it's got to be like Bourne Identity kind of. Yeah.

Yeah. Or however that Captain America fight sequence is going to go. They're looking for you. Did you see there was five minutes online of the captain? I missed it. Ah, it's gone now. I know. I didn't want to spoil it. I didn't want to spoil it for myself.

And then I regret it as soon as it disappeared. It's not even five minutes though. It's the elevator fight scene mostly its entirety and the rest of it is pretty much old footage but it is a great scene that movie is shaping up

really well it looks a lot more serious than Iron Man 3 and Thor but then again Iron Man 3 looks incredibly serious and that was not very serious

it was not not at all yeah look DC aren't to be left out of this adapting things yeah but realistically well I think at the moment Not at all. Yeah. Look, DC aren't to be left out of this adapting things. Yeah, but realistically. Well, I think at the moment, they're ahead.

You and Arrow. You're so in love with Arrow. Arrow is better than Agents of Shino. No, that's what you're probably right. I haven't seen it, but you're right. But they've come out and said recently that they're going to do Our Man. Now, I wrote this down because I don't know anything about Our Man. I want you to explain it to me. Okay. Well, depends which Our Man. Now, I wrote this down because I don't know anything about Our Man. I want you to explain it to me. Okay, well,

depends which Our Man you want. Okay, so there's... The best one. So there's Rex Tyler, and he's a chemist, and he owns Tyler Chemical, and it's Tyler Chemo Robotics. Anyway, he takes a pill.

So that's a bad start I think it's called the Miracle-O-Pill right he takes the pill and then for an hour he's got superhuman strength

and he's super durable and depending he can do you know he can sort of leap tall buildings and single but you know

it's a vague sort of power it's like he's filled with energy and you know etc cool so his superpower is drugs can he take it more than

can he take it like twice or does he take it, like, twice? Or does it, like, exhaust him? I think it does, yeah. And he's like, boy, I'm knackered. Jeez. I've still got this erection it gave me. Love it.

Deleted scenes. They're going to do Our Man. Really? Apparently. CW. According to who? According to the CW. So, he's going to be a teen

who takes drugs. Oh, goodness. It's not safe, is it? drugs. Oh, goodness. Oh. That's not safe, is it? No. Also, there's the future version of Owlman, who is an artificial being from the 853rd century, and he can travel through time and such. Probably not going to use that one.

Could be a bit complicated for the CW. Yeah. I don't know. So I guess they'll do the pill one. Yeah. Is he like a rich kind of kid? Well, he's a man. I don't know if they're going to do

team they'll make him a kid though I'm sure yeah I can see that then again Arrow's not a kid yeah

alright so they're going to do it I'll watch one episode good I'll watch every episode every episode I don't know

are you a fan of the character though I wouldn't marry it I wouldn't marry it first of all and I wouldn't make marry it I wouldn't track down like any old I wouldn't marry it, first of all. And I wouldn't... Made Marriott?

I wouldn't track down any old issues. I might have to now, but... Where is he from? Well, he's been around forever. Okay. Yeah. I mean, he's been around since early DC days, and now he's in the Justice Society.

And he's got a son, I think. Okay. Rick Tyler. Rick Tyler. Rick Tyler. Rick Tyler, yeah. See, they're good, they're good solid CW names though, aren't they?

They are. Rick and Rex. Yeah. Where are they going to find, though, a generic kind of square-jawed blonde guy? Are there any left?

I don't think there are any left. I think they've cornered the market. But also, drugs. His superpower is drugs. I don't think we've... Yeah.

I don't think we've talked about that enough. I don't... Who's gonna... People will be upset. Yeah. Although he might have like a magic hourglass that he turns upside down and that energises him somehow. In his chest. In his chest, exactly. They'll have that maybe. Okay, yeah. Okay, yeah. They'll find a way around it. Because Roger Ramjet, people were upset with

Roger Ramjet back in the day because he took his proton energy pill. Were they actually... Was that... they actually upset at the time? Was ecstasy a thing when that came out? Or was it just trip and acid? Is that how you say it? Yeah, that's how you say it. Smoking the acid is what you say. I don't know.

I think people would be upset. But again, they'll work their way out of it. There's a bit of drugs in Arrow. They bring in... What's that? Venom? No, not venom. It's the one that...

He's got the mind powers. And he can make sonic noises from his mind and move things. The Count something. Count Vertigo. Oh, Count Vertigo. There's a Vertigo drug in it. So, you know, drugs can come up. Drugs are cool.

Drugs are the coolest. Yeah. Good on him. Alright, I'll maybe watch that. Okay. If it ever eventuates, which it won't. Here's hoping. Why get in his...

I don't know. Who else are they going to take? Who could they do conceivably?

You can't really do a flying one because it's difficult. You've got to do a ground based kind of

guy. An owl man sounds like he can't fly. Yeah. There's some leaping. There'll be a

lot of leaping in and out of frame probably. No, you're right. Fine. That'll do. All right.

Done. Well, I think that's it for this week. Fantastic. There was something I thought we could talk about. Well, I think that's it for this week. Fantastic. There was something I thought we could talk about next week.

You know, I think it's pretty much this year all the comic book movies or the big ones have come out. So maybe we might do a comic book movie wrap-up.

Ooh, wrap-up. And go through them all next week. Sounds good. I'll do my research. I won't do any research. Is there any you haven't seen?

Name one. G.I. Joe 3D Retaliation 3D. Doesn't count. Didn't see it. You're being ridiculous. R.I.P.D. S.D. Doesn't count. Didn't see it. Oh, actually, I've got that. I'm going to watch it. Okay, right.I. Joe 3D Retaliation 3D Doesn't count Didn't say it You're being ridiculous R.I.P.D. S.D.

Doesn't count Didn't say it Oh actually I've got that I'm going to watch it Okay right cool Are we doing a blanket Yeah Okay right Or maybe we could break it

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