The Weekly Planet - 77 Best Movie Spies

Episode Date: March 30, 2015

With trailers dropping for Spectre and Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation, now's the perfect time to talk best movie spies. Also we get into news of The Avengers: Infinity War, Deadpool, X-Files, L...ex Luthor and more things probably! Thanks for listening. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:01:09 official podcast of ComicBookMovie.com. My name is James, editor at that website, with me as always my co-host Nick Mason. Hey buddy, you're mixing up the emphasis on words now. I'm trying different cadences. Great, absolutely. That's how you grow as an artist. I've been thinking about it during the week.
Starting point is 00:01:24 I think I need to shorten that. I think it goes for too long and it's not very interesting. You think there's a lot of people that turn off in the first five seconds? Huh. But if you get it down to a sweet three and a half. I think I could do it. Okay. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:01:35 You could just say it faster. Because I don't really think it tells you anything about the podcast. Oh, yeah. What do you think about it? That's true. We've been trying to figure out a way to do that, but. We could do it straight up. Just be like, hey, we talk about comics and movies and stuff.
Starting point is 00:01:47 I'm me and this is the other guy. You know? Yeah. Something like that. Add that uncertainty. Yeah. Because then we'd be like, we're just like you. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:01:56 Just a regular Joe. Just a regular Joe lunch pail. Exactly. Speaking of regular Joes. Oh, yes. But the opposite of that. Okay. Did you see the first image of Deadpool?
Starting point is 00:02:06 I did see the first image of Deadpool. He's laying out on a bearskin rug, open fire. Is it very self-aware? It's pretty fun, right? Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's dead on. It is dead on, yeah. I don't know why I'm surprised because I thought they'd do something different.
Starting point is 00:02:20 Sure, yeah. Because none of that stuff in the Fox universe looks like their actual costumes. That's very true. And this is like the first dead-on one they've done. It is, isn't it? Yeah. But it looks great. There is a chance that they just borrowed
Starting point is 00:02:32 like a Deadpool cosplayers costume because there's so many out there right now. There are, yeah. I'm sure they just did that. There's some pretty good ones, aren't there? Yeah. If you notice, the white eyes are like, it looks like they've got some expression.
Starting point is 00:02:44 So I reckon they're going to CGI some movement. Some movement in there. Which would be the way to do it, because otherwise he's just... Have they ever CGI'd any movement in the Spider-Man's eyes? I don't think so. Should have. Yeah, because there's a lot of that in the comics, isn't there? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:56 The closest thing I think we've had to that in the movies is Rorschach. Yes, that's true. I can't think of any other mask that kind of moves. Ultron's waggly eyebrows. Yeah. Is that a mask, though? No. Oh, it's James Spader under that kind of moves. Ultron's waggly eyebrows. Yeah. Is that a mask, though? No. It's James Spader under there, though, isn't he?
Starting point is 00:03:08 It is, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's great. So, yeah, I mean, that bodes well for that movie. Apparently, they're still tossing up between an R rating and a PG-13. They're going to go PG-13. Yeah, absolutely they are, yeah. I think they'll do what they did with the Wolverine, wear PG-13,
Starting point is 00:03:21 and then they'll do an X-rated cut for Blu-ray or whatever. Okay, great. Yeah, good times, isn't it? TMNT, the new TMNT movie, which is directed by Earth to Echo's David Green. Do you mean the one that's come out recently? No, the sequel. There's a sequel, okay. Double up.
Starting point is 00:03:41 That was quick. Yeah, well, I think the first one did well, but I think the fan reaction wasn't great. And I've said this before. It's fine. It's fine, right. Yeah. And so they've kicked the directors. They got this other guy in who did the children's movie Earth to Echo, which I haven't seen.
Starting point is 00:03:55 But it's got a subtitle. It's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Half Shell. Great. I mean, it could be a filming title or whatever. Like, you know, they have those, whatever. But if it's real, it's not great. Absolutely not, no. And that idea of like the joke there,
Starting point is 00:04:12 because it was always like heroes on a half shell. Yeah. The joke has always been like oysters on a half shell. It's just a restaurant term. It's not. I never even realized that. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:23 I guess so. They have a full shell. They're turtles. They do. Yeah. Yeah. All right. You should write to them. I never even realised that. Yeah. I guess so. They have a full shell. They're turtles. They do? Yeah. All right, you should write to them. I will. Yeah, good.
Starting point is 00:04:29 Can't be bothered. No, I'd say that's probably not really the real thing. Do we have any plot details about it at all? I think Bebop and Rocksteady are going to be in it. Good. I don't know anything else about it. Krang. I hope so.
Starting point is 00:04:39 Yeah. Get some bloody Krang. Why are they so reluctant to put Krang in a movie? It annoys me. Maybe it'd frighten children. I guess. Why don they so reluctant to put Krang in a movie? That annoys me. Maybe it'd frighten children. I guess. Why don't the giant turtles frighten children? But yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:51 They are monsters. Yeah, especially the newer versions. But yeah, she'll be fine, I guess. Yeah, they'll probably tweak the design of the turtles and just run with it. Do you remember those, there was some great concept art for a live action Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie that a guy did. I don't know if you saw it. The ultra realistic
Starting point is 00:05:07 like Splinter and Oh yes, I did see those. They're really good. And the last movie just ripped off a bunch of those. Fantastic. That guy got paid nothing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:16 Which is not fair. Showbiz. Showbiz, that's right. That's exactly it. He got some great exposure though. That's what, that's always the excuse oh
Starting point is 00:05:25 yes exactly yeah uh russo brothers oh yes the captain america is a winter soldier they're doing civil war oh yes that looks like they'll be directing infinity war one and two avengers infinity war so joss whedon's out okay and they're in oh go on we didn't have a statement about that well i've seen some like behind the scenes set videos of Age of Ultron. He's like, I love doing this or whatever, but he's like, it's really taxing. Right, okay. This is my second one. Like it's all, you know, I don't have time for anything else and whatever.
Starting point is 00:05:55 And because he's involved in every kind of process, he goes to like every meeting and every, even the smallest details, like he's super involved. And I just don't think he wants to do that for the rest of his life. Exactly. Yeah. Well, he'd be close to 50. So, you know, and these don't come out for another five years or whatever, or four years.
Starting point is 00:06:12 So I can understand that. But I think if he's like, you know what, I'm kind of, I don't really want to do this anymore. I think that's the right choice for him to say this is, you know. You don't want a lackluster couple of movies. You don't want the two final movies in this phase to be kind of and because we didn't care anymore exactly yeah like i think you'll stay in the universe i think he's still going to produce and oversee and it wouldn't surprise me if he did like a captain marvel or something yeah like he did
Starting point is 00:06:39 like a scale back kind of just like a one character story oh yeah sure but you know that that all remains to be seen sure does great thumbs up but you know what's good like a one character story. Oh, yeah, sure. But, you know, that all remains to be seen. Sure does. Great. Thumbs up. But you know what's good? Like, often when a director leaves a franchise and someone else takes over, it never ends well, generally. Give me an example.
Starting point is 00:06:55 X-Men films, Brett Ratner. Oh, yeah, okay, sure. I'm sure there are other examples. Sam Raimi's attitude in Spider-Man 3. Yep, that crumbles. No, but I feel like this is this isn't like
Starting point is 00:07:07 oh god we really let's just get somebody last minute I feel like this was a long time coming yeah definitely so it's a good move yeah
Starting point is 00:07:14 now you love The Walking Dead don't you you love all the comics and you love all the TV shows I've seen 10 minutes of the first episode of the show I've never read the comic
Starting point is 00:07:20 good then you'll love this great The Walking Dead spin-off TV series oh yeah uh which they'll show a sneak peek of sunday night oh so tonight or tomorrow for us yep because it's sunday here oh yes isn't it um it's called fear the walking dead oh it's it's okay so why is it
Starting point is 00:07:39 a spin-off uh it's set around like it runs kind of parallel uh-huh is it just because you know the walking dead's all about people i guess being holed up in like you know wherever wherever farmhouses or shopping malls or whatever i don't know it's fear the walking dead just a sub like a spin some spin-off characters are just like ah and just run it's just them running they've not thought about this at all they're just screaming and running. That's fantastic. I hope so. But I think it starts before the zombie outbreak or just on, and then eventually it's going to catch up to the series. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:08:12 And they're not going to cross over or whatever, but I'd say they definitely will. They definitely will, yeah. Definitely. Which is fine. But I've said this before because I don't think The Walking Dead is great, and I'd love it if there's another. It's good.
Starting point is 00:08:22 It's solid a lot of the time. This new season is quite good. Is this a better call Saul of The Walking Dead? It might be, yeah. It's good. Like, it's solid a lot of the time. This new season's quite good. Is this a better call Saul of The Walking Dead? It might be, yeah. It kind of is. Yeah. Better call Saul's pretty good, though.
Starting point is 00:08:36 But I was going to say, yeah, I'd love it to be really, really good. Will it be really, really good? It's hard to say. You know. Probably not. Right? Yeah. Confirmed.
Starting point is 00:08:44 You heard it here first. It should be all right. But yeah, I think that they're doing the same thing they did for the first season of The Walking Dead, where they're going to do six episodes, and then the next season will be like 22. Right, okay, sure. Which is good. Yeah. But, you know, I feel like we have to put The Walking Dead in the title, otherwise people aren't going to switch in.
Starting point is 00:09:04 They're not going to tune in know i'm gonna tune in but hey there you go also yes everybody calls them it's like that situation where they call them everything but zombies right yeah which really annoys me they're like walkers or like munchies or that's not what i made that one up but you know what i mean like deados or whatever yeah i don't like it just say zombies yeah just say bloody zombies yeah they should be like these I made that one up. But you know what I mean? Like deados or whatever. Oh, sure, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't like it. Just say zombies, yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:27 Just say bloody zombies. Yeah, they should be like, these are zombies like in all the zombie movies. Correct. Do they say zombies in The Walking Dead? Never. That's what I'm saying. That's annoying.
Starting point is 00:09:34 God. Do you love The X-Files, even in the later series and then the two movies and the movie that came way after and was about a man sewing a dog's head to a different dog or something? I only love that movie and the seasons where there was no Mulder and Scully and it was raise and dog it.
Starting point is 00:09:50 I only love those ones. And I only love those ones specifically with the really long convoluted narrative about the black oil and the bees and all the stuff and everybody's sister was abducted by aliens or something. And what about the ones with the lone gunman spinoff? Yeah, great. Do you also enjoy that? Great.
Starting point is 00:10:07 Only the one where they foil a plot to crash planes in the World Trade Center. I know, right? Yeah. So bizarre that that exists. But no, I do love the X-Files. Good. It's been a long time though.
Starting point is 00:10:17 Yeah, well, there's got to be six new episodes. Oh, yes. Thank you. Chris Carter's back on board. David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson are back on board. They must have been really young when that came out because that started in 93. Yeah, that's true. I think Gillian Anderson's like mid-40s and Duchovny might be 53 or something like that.
Starting point is 00:10:32 Okay, wow. Because they look great. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so I'm really happy that they're bringing it back. Yeah, six episodes. Yeah. Is it going to be Monster of the Week or is it going to be- Oh, that's a very good question.
Starting point is 00:10:43 I can't imagine there would be a lot of that. Where did it left off? They were a couple. Yeah, they were a couple and they'd been pardoned by the FBI for all the stuff they did. For the time they let go of that leech man? Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:10:56 And all the time they spent on the run for whatever reasons. Yeah. And, I don't know, probably shooting some other FBI agents or whatever they did, I don't know. Yeah. So, yeah, I'll be happy to see that.
Starting point is 00:11:07 Yeah, totally, yeah. And I love that it's six episodes as well because that makes me think that let's just do six really good ones. Is it the same production company? Is it the same? It's Fox, yeah. Okay, right. Fox Mulder.
Starting point is 00:11:19 Yeah, sure, absolutely. Do you want to see Krychek, Skin I want to see Krychek Smoking Man who I think exploded yeah he X that guy who replaced Smoke
Starting point is 00:11:29 who replaced Deep Throat I think he was killed as well I don't know what about what about that guy that looked a bit like Arnold Schwarzenegger
Starting point is 00:11:36 yeah I was going to say he's the bounty hunter he's got the little knife that goes yeah what was his deal he was
Starting point is 00:11:44 an alien bounty hunter. There was a lot of them, though, wasn't there? There was like a few of him? Maybe, yeah. And you stab them in the back of the neck. And they dissolve, yeah. Yeah. Isn't that good?
Starting point is 00:11:53 Yeah. Looking forward to those guys. I'm looking forward to... Bees. Bees. Yep. It'll be interesting dynamic, though, now that they both are on board with aliens.
Starting point is 00:12:03 Sure, absolutely. Because that's how it used to work work where Mulder would be like, it's definitely a werewolf. And it always gets correctly somehow. And then Scarlet would go, no, it's not. And then she wouldn't see it. And then she'd be attacked by a werewolf while her back is turned. And then there would be no evidence.
Starting point is 00:12:18 And he'd be like, no, it was literally in the room with us. And she was like, no. Gas. Yeah. Or it'd be a werewolf and he'd shoot the werewolf. And it'd instantly transform back into a man with no evidence that it was anything else. Yeah. It should be like you shot that guy.
Starting point is 00:12:33 Yeah. That father of three. So, fingers crossed, there's a lot more of that. Yeah, absolutely. Would you like to see an X-Files Supernatural team up? Oh. A lot of the same creative team are involved. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:46 Yeah, okay. I'd say that. yeah yes great great as you were saying earlier you're watching an episode of supernatural i was yeah yeah you were saying what were you saying it's a you can just watch it and do anything yeah exactly i like it a lot but i feel like i don't have to really tune into it great that much but because you know i don't i don't do anything related to it right you know what i mean yeah that's really i like that they've got a really good dynamic, those two. It's like 10 seasons. That's crazy. It's been going on for ages, but it's pretty consistent.
Starting point is 00:13:10 Dipped a bit in the middle. Anyway. All right, great. Lex Luthor. Oh, we've seen the first headshot of him. He looks exactly what you think. Yeah, it's Jesse Eisenberg-shaped head. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:21 Yeah, great. What, you happy with it? Yeah, it's fine. I sort of did a video on it. Oh, yeah? I was like, I should do something on this. Six things you've missed about Lex Luthor shaped head. Yeah. Yeah, great. What, you happy with it? Yeah, it's fine. I sort of did a video on it. Oh, yeah? It was more, I was like, I should do something on this. Six things you've missed about Lex Luthor's head. No, I did six reasons.
Starting point is 00:13:32 Six reasons you should look at this picture of Lex Luthor's head. One million views. No, it was six reasons he hates Superman. Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah. And the best reason is the- Stop looking at my head, Superman. So you make it see his reflection in his bald head. That's why he does it. Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah. And the best reason is the- Stop looking at my head, Superman. So you make it see his reflection in his bald head.
Starting point is 00:13:47 That's why he does it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because, you know, Superman or Superboy, when he was Superboy, made Lex Luthor lose his hair. Correct. It was pretty good. I didn't realise there was a cartoon of that as well. If you Google it.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Oh, really? Yeah, it's like, you buffoon, you've taken away- It's really good. Amazing. Yeah. So, yep, it's solid. It'd be interesting to see how big he is. Yeah. Do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:14:12 Because the modern-day Lex Luthor is quite bulky. Yeah, yeah. So, you know. Yeah. I think people just think they're going to do Mark Zuckerberg, Lex Luthor. Yeah. But I don't think that's how they're going to do it. Isn't he some sort of hacker now?
Starting point is 00:14:25 Yeah, I think you're thinking of Doom. Doctor Doom is like that. I'm thinking of Doctor Doom as a hacker now, yeah. Are you going to say Dick to Doom? Yeah, Dick to Doom. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think he's just going to be like a, you know, like a smart guy.
Starting point is 00:14:36 Smart guy. Okay, great. Yeah. Now, we got two big spy trailers this week. We did. Spyhard. Yes. Spyhard 2. No. Spyhard 2.
Starting point is 00:14:45 No. Johnny English 3. Straight to video. They made a lot of money, I think, those videos. No, surely not. Well, there's a sequel. One of them made a lot of money. All right.
Starting point is 00:14:54 Yeah. Mission Impossible. Oh, yes. Rogue Nation. Rogue Nation. Yeah. What do you think? I think it looks great.
Starting point is 00:15:00 It does, doesn't it? And it's one of my favorite things, which is where the good guys encounter a team of bad guys who are their opposites. Yeah. That's my favorite thing. That's your favorite thing? So the Rogue Nation is the IMF, the Impossible Mission Force, in reverse. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:14 So they have all the skills and they're also a secret team. They're doing really easy missions because they're the opposite. Yeah, exactly. It's just like feeding fish and household chores. Walk to the shops. Yeah. You did it again, Rogue Nation. Here's some more medals.
Starting point is 00:15:29 All right. It looks really good. It does. Tom Cruise has got some... He's got fairly standard hair in this. Yeah, I don't know if I like it. Yeah. His best hair is in two and four.
Starting point is 00:15:39 Yeah, thank you. Best hair is in two and four, yep. Yeah. Does he have to change his hair every movie? Is that how it works? I don't know. He should just keep that two and 4. Yep. Yeah. Does he have to change his hair every movie? Is that how it works? I don't know. He should just keep that 2 hair all the time. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:49 Unless he's doing like a, you know, like a, what's that one that we saw recently where he fought aliens in Time Travelling? Oh, Edge of Tomorrow. Yeah. Which they, I think they relabeled for Blu-ray. I think it's back to Live, Die, Repeat. Interesting. I think so.
Starting point is 00:16:02 Yeah. I might be wrong. Right. But yeah, give him the Mission Impossible 2 hair thank you if you get nothing out of this podcast it's that
Starting point is 00:16:08 Mission Impossible 2 is no good as a film but he's got the best hair in it yeah that's right yeah I remember the part
Starting point is 00:16:14 where he throws his Oakleys away and they explode ah it's so good ah so great I think he's got the best loud aggressive
Starting point is 00:16:20 Hawaiian-ish shirt he does doesn't he like a weird kind of Vegas Vegas via Saigon weird shirt. That very much reminded me of Top Gun. Oh, okay. Does he have a loud Hawaiian shirt in Top Gun at some point?
Starting point is 00:16:34 Uh-huh, yeah. Yeah. Probably takes it off before the volleyball match. I'll give you a little revelation here. Yeah. I've never seen Top Gun. Oh, really? I can't believe you've never seen it.
Starting point is 00:16:44 You've seen Days of Thunder? Yes. Oh, that's okay then. Yeah, I've seen Top Gun. here yeah i've never seen top gun oh really i can't believe you've never seen you say days of thunder yes oh that's i've seen top yeah i've seen top gun i i i know enough through jokes about top gun parodies of top gun and whatever and you know mad magazine adaptations of top gun or whatever that i know the plot of top you don't need to see yeah exactly have you seen hot shots yeah then you say top guard right yeah good no it's it's it's pretty... I don't know. Top Gun's overrated. Uh-huh. It's ridiculous. I guess it's exactly what it is.
Starting point is 00:17:09 Great. Fantastic. Anyway, Mission Impossible Rogue Nation, the director of the guy did Jack Reacher, whose name I can't remember. Sure. But I don't think it looks as good as 4. Really?
Starting point is 00:17:19 Because 4 was amazing. 4 was pretty amazing. Yeah. I think this one,'re they're going with less gadgetry okay sure i think the last one we had like jeremy renner was wearing a levitating vest if you remember that no we had a magnetic vest on so you're right yeah there was all sorts and there was that machine that you'd push down a corridor and it had a hologram of the area behind it. And the Kremlin exploded.
Starting point is 00:17:47 The Kremlin exploded. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Yeah. That was all. Yeah. But I don't.
Starting point is 00:17:53 This one seems more like, you know, because they always have to be like, we're bringing it back to its roots. Yeah. I think maybe that's the time for this. He's getting a mask pulled off, I think. Yeah, Simon Pegg. Someone's getting a mask pulled off, I think, or somebody is. Yeah, Simon Pegg. Someone's getting a mask pulled off, so that's... I don't actually think any of the good guys used a peg.
Starting point is 00:18:11 I don't think any of the good guys used a mask in the last one. They tried to make a mask. Right, that's right. And then the machine broke. Yeah, okay. Bad guys had masks. Yeah. But they didn't.
Starting point is 00:18:20 A lot of that was they kind of just had one bag of tricks that kept breaking down in the last one. Like those gloves that we would climb the building with. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they had to run out of the situation very quickly. Yeah, yeah. That's all they had. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:31 Yeah. But I feel like every one of these movies as well is Tom Cruise and his team going rogue. It is kind of, isn't it? Yeah. And they've been- Disavowed. Yeah, exactly. Like the team, the agency they work for is like, we're bringing down the IMF.
Starting point is 00:18:45 You've had enough chances or whatever. But it's always another organisation that's kind of caused this. And you think by now they'd be like, oh, this is probably, because these guys have never been wrong before. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he's solid. What I think happens, though, is every time it's a different...
Starting point is 00:19:02 A different head. Yeah, it's a different department head who, like the old one, I i assume is booted out or gets arrested because he was part of it in the first place okay a new one comes in and he's like yep go on rogue i don't like it any again and it's alec baldwin in this one it's alec baldwin this time yeah john boyd the first one yeah do you anthony hopkins in the second oh yeah do you think people are going to buy alec baldwin as a serious actor anymore? No. After however many years on 30 Rock?
Starting point is 00:19:28 No? No, I don't think so. He's great. I like him a lot. No, I guess so. Yeah, you could probably do it. I mean, you can't do it. I think there's going to be a period of adjustment in the film.
Starting point is 00:19:36 Yeah, okay. Where we're waiting for him to be like, oh, Lemon. Oh, there's Lemon. Staring out the window with a glass of scotch or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's cool. But no, I'm definitely looking forward to this And of course, they've got the big stunt
Starting point is 00:19:48 Yep Where he's strapped to the side of a plane And it's taking off Yeah And he's holding on by his little His little hands His little hands And what's great about that is that
Starting point is 00:19:56 This series It seemed like the fourth one they cottoned on That, oh, Tom Cruise will do anything Yeah So we can just And that will get people in he has no fear of death yeah yeah because he's fine he's space alien ghost alien ghost man rescue him or whatever yeah so i think they've gone oh we'll just do that like are the fast and the furious
Starting point is 00:20:14 finally found their niche yeah i think with kind of three and four they went oh we can and we know what we're doing now and right okay sure and that's what this has become we'll play to tom cruise's strength switches he's a lunatic and he'll do anything right exactly yeah but so because that that scene in itself if that was just blue screen and he's hanging off the side of a plane yeah who cares precisely but you can tell that it's real and because of all the behind the scenes stuff and whatever like so have they erased wires yeah there's like a well there's like an imax camera and or whatever kind of camera and and he's, yeah, you can see behind the scenes stuff and there's a bunch of stuff going on.
Starting point is 00:20:48 But he's hanging on to that. In a harness? He's in a harness, obviously. Okay, great. Yeah, all right. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know how that scene is going to play out though because it would just be him screaming and hanging on. Oh, sure, yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:59 Because he can't really move around, can you? I think that door is going to open then he's going to flip his way in. But that's a very short, I feel like there has to be something else oh like somebody's shooting at him yeah well because he was outside that building for a really long time yeah i love how they went tom cruise will you wear three quarter length pants and that building is like you better will you know it's i'll do anything are the three quarter length pants on fire no i'll do it anyway seems yeah well actually in the second one he does a stunt that there's a rock climbing scene at the start yeah it's a
Starting point is 00:21:30 mission impossible yeah where he gets the glasses that explode yeah but it's got the uh the lip biscuit theme he's like and he's climbing and he's rock climbing and that's all real apparently that's all him yeah so maybe that's why they got the idea to do actual stunts and stuff from and play to his strengths and less masks. Some masks. Yeah. You need some masks, don't you? You need some masks, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:21:52 Otherwise, it's not Mission Impossible. So just before we move on, he climbs the mountain in two and there's a box with glasses in there. I think there's a little rocket. I think a little rocket lands. It's got glasses in it. Can I go to his house? I think he was rock climbing anyway that's the point he was just rock climbing because he's an
Starting point is 00:22:09 extreme guy who does extreme things yeah and they're like we've got to get a message to him so we'll launch a little rocket with little glasses that means they know where he is yeah fair enough yeah that's before he went rogue i mean it was after the first and then he was in between rogues. In between going rogues, yeah. But this time it's the rogue nation that's going rogue. Oh, yeah. And he's doing the stunt where he flips over the pipe. That looks pretty good.
Starting point is 00:22:32 Oh, yeah, sure. He looks great shirtless, doesn't he? I feel like there's not a lot of symmetry, though, in his body when you see him shirtless. Have you seen it? I haven't thought about it, no. I'm going to show you a picture. Okay, great. Don't get me wrong, he looks great.
Starting point is 00:22:44 I don't mean to it i mean he's like 50 plus right tom cruise shirtless i'm gonna have to wipe my history after this nah i'll just make it i'll just bookmark it i'm sure i'll have to come back to this yeah definitely here we go yes oh i see what you're saying okay yeah i mean it looks great yeah great hair in that one too it's his best hair. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret.
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Starting point is 00:23:48 Help CAMH build a future where no one is left behind. So, who will you rise for? Register today at sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. All right, well, we got another spy trailer, though. Oh, yes. Hang on, we talked about everything in Rogue Nation. It's, though. Oh, yes. Hang on. We talked about everything in Rogue Nation.
Starting point is 00:24:06 It's pretty good. Yeah, it's pretty good. It looks good. There'll be some IMAX. There'll be some sweet car chases. Yeah, Simon Pegg's in it. Ving Rhames is in it. He's back.
Starting point is 00:24:13 Yep. Oh, yes. Yeah. Do you remember when John Boynt was mashed by that helicopter in Mission Impossible 1? I do remember that. That's a really good scene. Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:20 Yeah. All right. Hang on. Give me one second. I'm just going to see if we missed anything. Do you want me to do the Limp Bizkit theme? Yeah, please. And now you want to hate me,
Starting point is 00:24:27 because hate has all I've ever seen lately. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Okay, yeah. Anyway, continue. Yeah. All right. If I think of anything else, I'll just shout it out. Well, let's move on to Spectre then
Starting point is 00:24:38 while you're watching this separate trailer. Oh, yeah, sure. Spectre is the 24th Bond film? Yes. I mean, not including the unofficial ones. Yeah, not including original Casino Royale. And then there's two original Casino Royales. Well, there's one.
Starting point is 00:24:50 One was like a TV pilot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With Jimmy Bond. To make it more relatable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what was I going to say? It's only like a minute 30. There's like no action.
Starting point is 00:25:02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks very, it looks like it takes place. I did a video a video on it looks like it takes place immediately after skyfall looks more like a horror film okay sure yeah we're like you've seen a guy in a cabin and yeah yeah and whatever uh-huh yeah yeah there is no action you're right and you see a bit of a bloody christoph waltz and whatever you do that's true do you think there's a chance he's not blow fell there's no chance he's not blow fell somebody actually pointed out in the comments of that video I did, in that picture where you see, so from what I've gleaned from the trailer, after Bond's parents are killed in a rock climbing accident?
Starting point is 00:25:35 Yes. That's what it is in the book, so I don't know if they said that. No, I think you have to know that he's orphaned too. Yeah. So they were killed in a Mission Impossible style rock climbing accident. Oh rock climbing oh sure yeah the rocket hit them in the side of the head but uh what was he gonna say so and then when he's about 12 his aunt because there's names on the paper yes did you watch the video that i did no but i'll that's fine it says on the documents that he's his aunt gave him him temporary guardianship to someone.
Starting point is 00:26:05 It's like Camilla Bond or something. Yeah, Charmaine. Charmaine Bond. To the Oberhauser family. Okay. And you see, there's a photo, and you see young Daniel Craig, a man, and another kid who looks taller than Bond. So he's probably three or four years older. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:26:19 So that's Oberhauser. But also the dad who's standing there, he's got the Blofeld eye. I didn't notice this. Somebody brought it out to me. Yeah, yeah, okay. I think standing there, it's got the Blofeld eye. I didn't notice this. Somebody brought it out to me. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I don't think,
Starting point is 00:26:28 I think that might just be a nod to Blofeld. I don't think that that, unless Blofeld is not Christoph Waltz. But his father. Yeah. Or maybe he's Dr. No or something. Cause Dr.
Starting point is 00:26:39 No was like a. Dr. No Behauser. Yes. Do you know what I mean? Cause Dr. No wasn't a, he was like a high ranking specter guy, but he's not, he's... Dr. Noberhauser. Yes. Do you know what I mean? Because Dr. No wasn't a... Yeah. He was like a high-ranking
Starting point is 00:26:48 spectre guy, but he's not Dr. Noberhauser. Doesn't he have metal hands and he can't climb a ladder? Yeah, he's close. Oh, no, you're right. He does have metal hands. But I'd say he's...
Starting point is 00:26:56 I'd say he's definitely Blofeld unless they've changed it because that script actually leaked as well. Oh, okay. Which I haven't read. Right, right, right. So there are people out there
Starting point is 00:27:03 who actually do know if he's Blofeld or not. Yes, but the... No, I think it was already rumoured. So maybe these rumours came from that script or whatever. Actually, I think it might be
Starting point is 00:27:13 in the script. They don't mention his name. They don't refer to him as Blofeld. Okay. Anyway, I think it might have been the Sony hacks that it came out. Oh, sure.
Starting point is 00:27:20 That makes sense. But what was I going to say? Blofeld, Bond, something. Oberhauser. It could be that Oberhauser is just Oberhauser and his father is still alive and that's Blofeld. Oh, there's also the rumour that Monica Belushi is Blofeld because she's the Bond girl in it.
Starting point is 00:27:38 And she's the oldest Bond girl ever. Actually, she's 50. She looks great, though. Yeah. Apparently when they called her, she was like, who, what? This podcast, there's a lot of us going like, they look great. It's a lot of us defending old people in Hollywood. They look great, though, don't they?
Starting point is 00:27:52 Harrison Ford? He looks, he's, oh. Oh, dear. Oh, boy. But, yeah, because when that script leaked and a lot of the Sony emails were like, this third act is a mess. So, I think they've changed a lot of the Sony emails were like, this third act is a mess. So I think they've changed a lot of it, especially because it's been leaked.
Starting point is 00:28:09 So I'd say there's a chance that he's maybe not Blofeld, but if he's the head of Spectre, then he's definitely Blofeld. Yeah. But I don't think anybody from that, it's not like the Wrath of, not Wrath of Khan, the Interdarkness situation where they're flat out denying that he's Blofeld and that he turns out to be. So I think if it turns turns out to be that nobody's going to be upset or yeah okay yeah it'll be good to see blowfold again what if it's the guy what's the name of the guy and he was
Starting point is 00:28:33 um moriarty in the sherlock movies oh yeah yeah uh i don't know his name is but yeah okay he's the head of mi5 right and so they're merging mi5 and MI6. Yep, yep. Okay, right, right, right. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. Okay, because Spectre is one of the things... And they just got the rights back to Spectre as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that's why they were using... What did they use in...
Starting point is 00:28:55 They used Quantum. Quantum, yeah. So Quantum is now a subset of Spectre. Yeah, exactly. It's like a subsidiary, yeah. Because Spectre playoffed two teams against one another. Yes. And then when one is weak.
Starting point is 00:29:07 That's exactly what I said in my video. So there you go. So that's where you've done your research. So then they will – I don't know how merging MI5 and MI6 makes them weaker necessarily. Maybe budget cuts. Well, even if they own MI5 and they can merge them or they have a hand on MI5, then it's easy for them to,
Starting point is 00:29:25 to integrate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or even if they don't, if their head guy, cause that Moriarty guy who's heading MI5, he's a villain.
Starting point is 00:29:33 Yeah, definitely. Absolutely. He's got the look of a villain. Yeah. So I think then, then their guy's head of, maybe he's Blofeld.
Starting point is 00:29:40 Yeah, it's possible. Maybe they're all Blofeld. A lot of people are Blofeld. Do you like the idea? Like, does everything have to be tied to Bond's past no he grew up with blow fell yeah that's an inter is an interesting way to go i guess that counts as a twist these days if you know somebody yeah if you yeah but you you sort of have to you can't be like well here's some people and
Starting point is 00:30:01 we're fighting the people there has to be some sort of personal connection so anyone cares and I guess if they're like well he was raised by Blofeld and now he's in so now he's or the brother of or whatever or the brother of yeah so now he's
Starting point is 00:30:12 his loyalty is in question so he's going to have to go rogue you know do you reckon there's more James Bond movies where he goes rogue than not rogue no I'd say he's almost
Starting point is 00:30:22 exclusively not rogue really modern day maybe from license to kill he goes rogue yeah uh i'm sure a lot of the older ones he goes rogue no think about roger moore he's never going he would never go never go rogue is that sean connery he'd never go rogue maybe you never say never again he went rogue he went a little bit rogue yeah no but most of the time he's all about queen and Country in England. No, that's what I'm saying, but he'll still be about that. But he'll also go rogue for Queen and Country.
Starting point is 00:30:51 I think you know. What if I Google how many James Bond movies does he go rogue in? Do it. Let's see what happens. I'll wait. Okay, cool. And now you want to hate me? Because hate is all that one has ever said lately.
Starting point is 00:31:04 Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. And now you want to hate me because hate is all I want as I've been saying lately. Lit Biscuit is rocking the set. I love a band that mentioned the band's name in a song. Yeah, they're good, aren't they? Does he go rogue? Do you like Bonds going rogue? Not especially. I think if you do too much, then if he's always going rogue? Not especially. I think if you do too much, then if he's always going rogue.
Starting point is 00:31:28 I mean, there's that element if he doesn't have his gear and stuff, which makes him interesting sometimes. But sometimes you want a fully fleshed out Bond who's got all his gadgets and all his prep. You want to see some of that as well. Let's talk about Bond. Let's do a whole episode on Bond right now.
Starting point is 00:31:42 Do you have any more news? Well, we could do Bond or we could do Best Spy-s. Oh, Best Spy-s. Yeah, okay. Let's do Best Spy-s. Because we're going to do a few Bond episodes on a budget. Yeah, totally.
Starting point is 00:31:53 But I feel like I haven't watched enough Bond lately to do it. Okay, let's determine which spy is the best spy. Yep. Not really. We'll just talk about it a bit. Let's just list some spies. Okay. There is no result for how many James Bond movies does he go rogue in.
Starting point is 00:32:05 If you know, please Twitter us. I mean, that's probably because that's grammatically incorrect. It should be how many James Bond movies does, wait, in which he goes rogue. In which? How of which? Yeah. Anyway. Whom of which?
Starting point is 00:32:19 License to kill. Probably a couple of the Brosnan ones. Die Another Day, he probably goes rogue. Does he go rogue in, yeah, I was going to say Die Another Day, yeah. But they give him that invisible car. They wouldn't give him that if he was going rogue. He's going rogue, exactly. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:32:32 Yeah. Yeah. Does Goldfinger go rogue? I don't think so. Skyfall, he sort of goes rogue. Yeah, well, he disappears at the start. He disappears. I think that counts as going rogue.
Starting point is 00:32:43 Yeah. I think going off the plantation, what do they say? Going off the savannah? Yes. Yeah, is that the expression? Going off the reservation. Reservation, okay. There we go, yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:56 That counts as going rogue. Okay. That's a subset of going rogue. So you're saying if he's going between missions and he maybe goes into a coffee shop. Yeah, he's going rogue. And he's not supposed to. Yeah, he's going rogue. Yeah, he's going rogue. Okay.
Starting point is 00:33:06 Actually, I've got an email here. Yes. Hello, Nick and Nathan. I get it because what's his face from Catch Me If You Can? Frank Abagnale. Frank Abagnale shouted us out and got our names wrong. Well, he got your name right. Yeah, he did.
Starting point is 00:33:20 Yeah, he did. The official Shaved Wookiee here. I'm sure you remember me from the Aquaman episode as I decided that I'm your favourite listener. Of course we remember. Yeah. Remember everything. I, like many of your listeners,
Starting point is 00:33:30 want you to do a James Bond episode, which seems like a great idea now that a teaser for Spectre has been released. So, yeah. What do you reckon? We could do James Bond or we could do Spies. What do you reckon? Let's do Spies.
Starting point is 00:33:40 Good. And then we'll specialise later. Yeah, we'll specialise. I feel like I need to see more Connery Bonds. Because I've seen all the Roger Moore ones. Right, yes. Remember when we did that? I remember.
Starting point is 00:33:52 Yeah. So good. Are you still looking up how many times he's gone rogue? I don't think so. I'll never figure it out. Maybe we'll come back to Bond. Why don't we go some other spies? Okay.
Starting point is 00:33:59 I've just googled lists of spies. Okay, great. The first one here is, one of the first is Brian Mills. What? Is he the spy who came in from the one here is, one of the first is Brian Mills. What? Is he the spy who came in from the cold? No, he's from Taken. Ah. Yeah, he's a covert kind of spy.
Starting point is 00:34:11 I don't think that counts. You don't reckon? So we're scratching it. He's got some spy equipment, though. Give me an example. A gun. No, he's got listening things and he's got espionage. Yeah, all right.
Starting point is 00:34:23 He's got so much espionage. Okay. He's not a great spy, though. No, exactly. He's like and he's got espionage. Yeah, all right. He's got so much espionage. Okay. He's not a great spy, though. No, exactly. He's like a bull in a china shop, that guy. Correct, exactly. Thank you. Oh, we didn't mention Mr. White is in the bloody Spectre trailer.
Starting point is 00:34:36 Yeah. And he's blind now, I think. He looks like he's blind, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, he was in Casino Royale and Quantum. Yeah. Yeah, it's good to see him back. I like that guy.
Starting point is 00:34:43 Oh, great, yeah. Sure. So he was a member of Spectre and he's clearly left and Bond's gone to speak to him and be like, what's with the octopus rings? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Why are you blind?
Starting point is 00:34:53 Was it me? What's going on? Yeah. Could have been Bond. Yeah. He's probably blinded a guy who just not cared. Maybe Monica Bellucci's octopussy. Oh.
Starting point is 00:35:01 Maybe Christoph Waltz's octopussy. Yeah. They'd be pretty hot. Pretty, pretty great yeah all right so brian mills okay well all right first of all bad spy name yes i mean it's a bad it's a good spy name insofar as we would never suspect he was a spy because his name's brian mills yeah yeah um but it's a bad it's not a cool spy name no it's not yeah the first it's a bad, it's not a cool spy name. No, it's not. Yeah. The first Taken's a pretty solid movie, eh? Right, yeah, definitely. Have you seen two or three?
Starting point is 00:35:28 I have not seen two or three. Garbage. Great. So, you know what, I don't want to talk about the guy from Taken. Okay, great, yeah. He's no good. But yeah, he's just a, is he one of the people from which Bond has taken cue, the modern day Bond has taken cues, in that now Bond is just a bull in a china shop sort of thing?
Starting point is 00:35:42 I think Taken came after Casino Royale. Yeah, okay. I'm fairly certain. No, it did, it definitely did. Right, okay, good. Yeah, so if anything, it's the other way around. Right. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:50 Okay, how about, this is kind of left of centre. Uh-huh. Harry Tasker or Trasker? Tasker from True Lies. True Lies. Tasker, yes. Great spy. Amazing.
Starting point is 00:36:02 Very good. Looks great in a tuxedo. Yeah. A lot of, for those who don't know, Harry- Looks at least as good as a shaved gorilla in a tuxedo. Yeah spy. Amazing. Very good. Looks great in a tuxedo. A lot of, for those who don't know, Harry- Looks at least as good as a shaved gorilla in a tuxedo. Yeah, he does. Harry Tosca is Arnold Schwarzenegger's character from True Lies. Every now and then, Tom, what's his name?
Starting point is 00:36:16 His partner in that. Tom Arnold. Tom Arnold, who I remember being quite funny in that. Yeah, he's great. Yeah, and I don't think I've really enjoyed him in anything else. Sure, yeah. But Tom Arnold's always like, yeah, we're talking about true lies too.
Starting point is 00:36:31 It's definitely going to happen. Like, it's not going to happen. It's been a really long time. He's never going to do true lies too. Like, you're both too old for that to kind of work now. Oh, maybe. I don't know. Have you seen that latest Schwarzenegger trailer?
Starting point is 00:36:42 Yeah. Oh, with the zombie one. With the zombie girl, yeah. No, yeah, sure, yeah. Looks pretty good. Yeah, but he's kind of too old to put on a tuxedo and go and seduce a woman. Yeah, definitely. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:36:49 Yeah, true. He's kind of like a bag of sawdust. He definitely is that, yes. But I think he looks better when he kind of leans into his age. Yeah. Like he has in that trailer, when he's kind of got a bit of grey in the hair and he's a bit wet and he's got a beard. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:03 He looks better than like in the new Terminator where they give him dark hair and he's still got got a bit of grey in the hair and he's a bit wet and he's got a beard. He looks better than like in the new Terminator where they give him dark hair and he's still got a weird leather face. Oh, sure. You know, lean into your age. Thank you. Anyway, Harry Trusker. A lot of Bond cues in that movie as well.
Starting point is 00:37:16 Like the first time you see him, he comes out of the lake. In a wetsuit. In a wetsuit, pulls it off, tuxedo underneath. Right, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And he does a lot of seducing,
Starting point is 00:37:23 but he's also a family man. It's, you know, because his wife thinks he's a salesman or something. Yeah, a computer salesman. Even though he's enormous. Yeah, yeah. That's a very funny movie, though. It is, but it's not, like, if you go back, there's a lot of weird themes in it. Okay, like terrorism kind of stuff?
Starting point is 00:37:42 Terrorism, but kind of like there's a whole scene where, like decides like he thinks his wife is cheating on him so that's right like surveils her again without her knowledge and like makes it yeah and then tricks her into being a spy against her will and it's all it's a bit weird but wasn't she like i want excitement or whatever oh yeah i guess so it's still weird yeah yeah still pretty weird yeah so then she becomes a spy at the end but he's a i don't know i like his skills in that like the way he does things so casually when there's the two dobermans running at him and he just they jump and he just cracks their heads together yeah like it's stuff like that which is i think one of the overarching themes of like spy super spies that have come after bond yeah is that everything is so easy
Starting point is 00:38:23 yeah yeah yeah like we've you know we talked about kingsman recently yeah there's a scene right at the start where agent galahad just walks into like a a little uh chalet yeah chalet thank you in the alps yeah and there's just a whole bunch of you know generic bad guys and he just kills them all in one fluid motion yeah and he doesn't break stride or break a sweat and then he catches a you know a glass of scotch scotch you know or he takes it off the tray as he's shooting a man holding the tray yeah and just you know it's no effort at all so i think that's yeah that kind of it's kind of a trademark now yeah yeah though i'd say born is kind of which we'll probably talk about he leans more away from that yes would you say yeah yeah but uh i don't know
Starting point is 00:39:04 what else do you say about harry tasker he's he's more of an american spy obviously than a because he's american because he's american oh yes yeah but yeah it's it's a fun it's a fun ride it is a fun ride yeah and there's a bit where he tries to ride the horse off the building oh yeah the horse won't won't jump yeah that was actually that's a that's good because a horse wouldn't really do that or make that jump. No, it would not. Yeah, that's pretty good. Any other, got any other spies you can think of? At the top of my head?
Starting point is 00:39:33 Yeah. I'll think of one. I got a few more here. Okay, go ahead. Dick Steele from Spy Hard. Oh, sure, yeah. We can talk about parody spy characters. I have no memory of that movie beyond the fact that it starts with a weird Al Yankovic spyhard theme and then his head explodes. That's exactly right.
Starting point is 00:39:47 Because he sings too hard. I saw that at the cinemas when I was a kid. I thought it was like the funniest movie I've ever seen. Then I looked it up. It was about a month or so ago. It's like 6% on Rotten Tomatoes. Of course it is, yeah. They're like, this is really derivative of Naked Gun and blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:40:02 Well, I can't remember a single thing other than that. I don't remember anything either. Well, let's talk about it at length. No, let's, blah. Well, I can't remember a single thing other than that. I don't remember anything either. Well, let's talk about it at length. No, let's skip it. Well, it's all his character. Leslie Nielsen's kind of character. Naked Gun, is he a cop or is he a spy? He's a cop.
Starting point is 00:40:13 Okay, yeah. I guess he is. Because it was a spin-off of Police Squad. Oh, it was too. Yeah. He was on the Police Squad. Doesn't he fight Saddam Hussein? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:23 Or is that Hot Shots? No, that's Naked Gun. That's one of the Naked Guns, but it's not the point. He's a cop. Okay, sure. You've talked about the Flint movies before, though. Oh, yes. You love those.
Starting point is 00:40:34 Derek Flint. I don't know if I love them. They're interesting. Yeah. They're sort of a parody in the way that movies from the 60s were just sort of parodies you know but he's the you know he again he's the he's the super version of bond like he's yeah incredibly unrealistic where you know uh you know bond would will smell a wine and he knows where it's coming you know he knows he knows what kind what year it is and whatever and flint is like oh and it's and it's from the northern end of the
Starting point is 00:41:03 vineyard like he's so he's so specific like he's got he it's from the northern end of the vineyard. He's so specific. He's got all the skills necessary. Who's the actor in that? What's his name? Because he's in Payback, that guy. Is it James Coburn? I think you're right. And I think he was in The Dirty Dozen or Great Escape.
Starting point is 00:41:17 Right, right, right. Yeah, but he's really cool. Yeah. Looks like Colonel Sanders now. Yes, boy, does he. A few years ago. Yeah, yeah. So you wouldn't recommend necessarily going back and watching those?
Starting point is 00:41:27 No. He was an agent of Zowie. Okay. So if that gives you an idea. Does that sound like something? Is that where? Zonal organization something something. Is that where David Bowie got his son's name from?
Starting point is 00:41:38 Probably. I think it probably just rhymes with Bowie. Yeah, I know, but I don't know. I'd like to ask. Bowie. Yeah. Anyway, that's the kind't know. I'd like to ask Bowie. Yeah. Anyway, that's the kind of level we're looking at. Okay, sure.
Starting point is 00:41:50 Well, the only reason I know who that is is because of the Austin Powers movies. He goes, that's my favorite movie. Or is that In Like Flint? Is that the same? In Like Flint and Our Man Flint. So they are. It's the same, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:01 So Austin Powers is like a throwback to that as well as bond yeah it's a massive yeah it's all that yeah exactly what do you think of the austin powers movies the thing about mike myers movies is that every time he makes one it's a worse movie yeah and every time he makes one it makes me think less of all the other movies that he's made i don't know why that is particularly but i remember the first two movies being very good. I remember that as well. Are they though? Comedy doesn't age well though.
Starting point is 00:42:31 That's the thing, does it? Generally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think. Yeah, there were some funny moments in that. There's a lot of 90s references and 60s references. Somebody says Sega at some point.
Starting point is 00:42:43 Oh, sure, yeah. Oh, I remember them. Oh, I remember them. Oh, so great. But I think by the third one, it became so self-referential. It just, like, caved in on itself. I think that's true, yeah. But I liked the opening scene of the third one where Tom Cruise was Austin Powers
Starting point is 00:42:59 and Steven Spielberg's directing it and Gwyneth Paltrow and Danny DeVito's Mini-Me. Yeah. I think at that point that, because isn't that weird that Mike Myers was so powerful and that was such a big franchise. Yeah, yeah. That they could get that caliber of actors just for a little cameo. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:43:14 Like, you would never get those people now. No, definitely not. Yeah. And not that I think, he's a funny guy, but yeah. Do you reckon they should do another Wayne's World? No. I reckon if Bill and Ted's works, Bill and Ted's 3, they'll do another one. Oh, yeah?
Starting point is 00:43:26 I reckon they'll do another Wayne's World. Is that being filmed right now or something? They're making it. Yeah, okay. I don't think it's started yet, but I want to see Bill and Ted's 3. Yeah, definitely. Even though it won't have Rufus in it because he's dead. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:36 That's a shame. They could get Louis C.K. Yeah. That would be amazing. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. I don't know if Louis C.K. works playing anybody else but himself.
Starting point is 00:43:47 Louis C.K., right. Okay. But you could just do that. You could just be yourself. Whatever. Yeah. What about Bob Ho? What?
Starting point is 00:43:54 He's from The Spy Next Door with Jackie Chan. Why are we doing these? Why? No. I refuse to do these. I got one more. Okay. The Tuxedo.
Starting point is 00:44:03 Oh, Jackie Chan's The Tuxedo. Yeah, and Bob Ho is The Spy Next Door, also Jackie Chan. I haven't seen got one more. Okay. The Tuxedo. Oh, Jackie Chan's the Tuxedo. Yeah, and Bob Ho is the Spy Next Door also Jackie Chan. I haven't seen either of them. Great. But they're both
Starting point is 00:44:09 spy movies. Well, that's, yeah. I dislike any Jackie Chan movie where there's some sort of weird technological reason why he's got
Starting point is 00:44:19 weird stunt abilities because, like, I don't know, just have him do regular stuff. I mean, he's too old now obviously yeah yeah to do anything but he's still pretty good he's still pretty spry but he won't like leap from a building into a yeah yeah into a like paint of glass yeah just i think we should just say there are some great jackie chan movies out there he does amazing stunts does all his own
Starting point is 00:44:39 stunts it's pretty great but now he's done go watch the tuxedo go watch the tux thank you go watch mr nice guy i think rumble in the bronx yeah that was pretty good i don't think it is Pretty great. But now he's done. Go watch The Tuxedo. Go watch The Tuxedo. Thank you. Go watch Mr. Nice Guy. I think... Rumble in the Bronx? Yeah. That was pretty good. I don't think it is. I think that's one of those movies where the security footage is the footage of the movie.
Starting point is 00:44:53 No, that was Mr. Nice Guy. Oh, it was Mr. Nice Guy. Yeah. Rumble in the Bronx. That was unfilmed here, wasn't it? Rumble in the Bronx was filmed like everybody speaks English, but everybody's been overdubbed. I don't know why that is. Like Hercules in New York.
Starting point is 00:45:03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another classic spy movie. But even the American characters were overdubbed. I don't know why that is. Like Hercules in New York. Yeah, yeah. Another classic spy movie. But like even the American characters were overdubbed in that film. That's odd. Wait, was Rumble in the Bronx the Australian one filmed in Melbourne? No, that was Mr. Nice Guy.
Starting point is 00:45:13 The good one? Yeah. No, Mr. Nice Guy was no good. Oh, yeah. Yeah, well, there you go. Okay, would you consider There we go. face off?
Starting point is 00:45:23 A spy movie? Of course I wouldn't. Why not? Because nobody's a spy in that. He takes his face off to become somebody else. That is a spy move. No, it's not. What, he's just a cop?
Starting point is 00:45:32 Yeah. You're a dickhead. It's a cop with a twist. That's it. It's not a spy. God. Fine, I'll give you a real one. If we're talking, you know, we talked about Eggsy and whatever.
Starting point is 00:45:43 Kingsman. Kingsman, which we did an episode on recently. A lot of that's kind of a throwback to, or Michael Caine's character is a throwback to kind of Harry Palmer. Yes. Is it like the look? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because Harry Palmer is, it came out around the same time as Bond.
Starting point is 00:45:57 Yeah. I haven't seen it, but my understanding of it is that it's more kind of, he's like broke Bond. Oh, are you talking about the spy who came in from the cold? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you mentioned it before, yeah. Yeah, he is, yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:09 Yeah, have you seen that? Yes, I have. It's been a really long time. It's supposed to be good, isn't it? It is good, yeah, I mean, but it's got the pace of a movie from back then. That is to say, no pace whatsoever. Yeah, I think we've talked about it
Starting point is 00:46:19 in the Sean Connery, James Bond movies. There's a lot of they throw in the James Bond theme when he's just walking down a hallway. He's just walking there. Like, they'll be like, they'll be like, he'll be in a hotel and they'll be like,
Starting point is 00:46:30 Mr. Bond, there's a phone call for you at the front desk and he just walks down the hall. It's like... It's all in real time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like he'll collect his bag
Starting point is 00:46:38 from the airport. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty good. But that one... But yeah, like, it's like, he's the, you know, he's the you know he's the guy he's he's on a mission and he's just washing his socks in the sink kind of thing he's that he's that kind of
Starting point is 00:46:51 why didn't that continue that series it might have been a sequel okay hmm if we're talking spy movies what about fletch no stop it god uh. Yeah, go check. Check if it's... All right. Is he... Would you say he's kind of like the Jason Bourne of then? Yes, I would say that, yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:12 Yeah. I'm going to have to watch that. There was no sequel. Oh, okay. Because that was kind of... That movie was a reaction to James Bond, wasn't it? And the kind of ridiculousness of... I guess it was very, you know, East versus West,
Starting point is 00:47:27 but it was very kind of like dirty Soviet Union. There's like a tribunal scene in it at one point. There's kind of, you know, he's, yeah. Because it's interesting because Harry is also the name of Colin Firth's character in... What's it called? On Kingsman. Yeah, his name's Harry Hart.
Starting point is 00:47:48 And he looks identical. Like, it's the same glasses, same haircut kind of thing. I think that movie, Kingsman, took a lot of visual cues from that. Not just Bond and Austin Powers. We're thinking Richard Burton. Richard Burton's in the spy who came in from the cold. Oh, okay. So which one are we talking about? I't know what's the michael caine one i don't know let me check okay great he's richard burton how could i even you you might be thinking of get
Starting point is 00:48:13 carter i'm not thinking of dick okay harry palmer harry palmer is protagonist of a number of films based on an unnamed spy character main character from the spy novels by lee something uh the movie oh here we go the ip Ipcris Files. There we go. Okay, that's much better. All right. He was also in Midnight in St. Petersburg. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Starting point is 00:48:31 Which was with the same character with Michael Caine in 1996. There we go. That's what we're thinking of. Isn't that interesting? Okay. He does it. Yeah, no, you're right. And he does have that similar look.
Starting point is 00:48:41 Yeah. Yeah, he definitely has that. Colin Firth does have the Harry Palmer look. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. But so, Bullet to Beijing, also 95 with Michael Caine, and then Midnight in St. Petersburg. Billion Dollar Brain with Michael Caine is 67.
Starting point is 00:48:57 Man, he's did a few of these. Yeah, yeah. Harry Palmer's been around, man. Oh, yeah. Why isn't he popular? He's not cool? Yeah. I would argue that Michael Caine's way cooler than Sean Conner, yeah. Why isn't he popular? He's not cool? Yeah. I would argue that Michael Caine's way cooler than Sean Connery.
Starting point is 00:49:08 Don't you think? Really? Definitely. He's like a nicer guy. I remember somebody sent that fact to us once, which was, what was it? Michael Caine once held Sean Connery's coat while he beat up six guys in a bar fight or something. I remember somebody sent that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:22 Okay. Yeah. That's pretty great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we- somebody said that yeah okay yeah that's pretty great yeah yeah yeah uh yeah okay so we well what i think we've learned here is that if i move from the 60s blur together a little bit i think the what i've learned here is that having seen quite a few of those uh if they didn't have guns and
Starting point is 00:49:37 gadgets and flying cars or whatever i've just blurred them all together so that's pretty great all right well why don't we get why don't we get off these into some more modern ones? Yes, please. Because it's very confusing. Here we go. Yep. Jack Ryan. He's a spy.
Starting point is 00:49:51 Is he a spy? He's like a CIA agent. All right. Go ahead. Alec Baldwin. Harrison Ford. Chris Pine. Harrison Ford again.
Starting point is 00:49:59 Yep. Chris Pine. There we go. Haven't seen the newer ones. Also Ben Affleck? Yeah, you're right. Reindeer Games. No, no. Sorry. Jersey Girl. No. Some of all fears. fine there we go haven't seen the newer ones also ben affleck yeah you're right reindeer games no
Starting point is 00:50:05 no sorry um jersey girl no yeah um some of all fears yes yeah you're right sorry there we go i haven't seen some of all fears or shadow recruit no but uh yeah he's he's he's never really interested me this guy well the fact that they keep changing like if you asked who's your favorite jack ryan like if you ask somebody's favorite if you asked who's your favorite jack ryan like if you ask somebody's favorite if you ask who's somebody's favorite james bond they've always got a definitive answer yeah if you ask who's your favorite jack ryan nobody cares yeah all or none of them what kind of gadgets are we talking about guns getting onto a submarine yep hunting for red october october's plural. Yeah. Is that a good movie?
Starting point is 00:50:45 Hunt for Red October. I remember being really dull. Don't go back to that one. That's not Harrison Ford though, is it? No, that is, that's Baldwin. Because then Harrison Ford did Clear and Present Danger and Patriot Games, but I don't know in what order. Patriot Games, then Clear and Present Danger. Okay, sure.
Starting point is 00:51:03 Yeah. And the only reason Harrison Ford took over becausec bourbon was so expensive that they couldn't get him back oh interesting and so isn't that weird that alec bourbon at some point was more expensive than harrison that's very interesting i mean now they're probably punch red october did do that twist where you see them speaking in russian oh yeah like 30 seconds and then you change the you change the camera angle and they're all speaking in English. Brilliant. So you can be like, yeah, well, we're just going to speak in English
Starting point is 00:51:28 from now on. That's what they do in Valkyrie as well. At the start, Tom Cruise is speaking in German and then they switch it. They should switch back and forth. Definitely. Every five minutes. Subtitles, no subtitles. Subtitles, no subtitles.
Starting point is 00:51:42 So Sean Connery goes rogue in that, doesn't he? Yeah, he's a rogue submarine commander. He's defecting. Yeah. Is that right? But they don't know whether he's defecting. But that doesn't count as one of the times James Bond went rogue. I think it does.
Starting point is 00:51:52 No, I don't think it does. No. So if he goes, so he's defecting, but they don't know whether he's defecting or not. Is that right? Yes. And they need to get Jack Ryan onto that submarine. Correct. And they do what they do in Terminator Salvation where they just drop him into the water
Starting point is 00:52:05 and then he appears in the submarine. Correct, yeah. That's how you get onto a submarine. How does he get onto the submarine? Can't remember. Yeah. I think maybe he's in a boat and they come up and they capture him or something.
Starting point is 00:52:12 Okay, so in that movie, is the Russians after Sean Connery and the Americans are after Sean Connery as well? That is an excellent question. Let's watch it. Yeah, let's watch the entire thing right now live. Yeah, I don't know. See, when you say spy movies, I was expecting guns and gadgets.
Starting point is 00:52:32 I'm just going off pictures that I've got here. I bet you are. Yeah, but I don't... Look, I don't... You don't subscribe to that? No. So if I included Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, you wouldn't... No.
Starting point is 00:52:44 Plus, there's way too much tinkering in that film. Fine. What about Bourne, though? Was he more of an assassin? No, but I... Because there's gadgets and there's mind tampering. Okay, sure. So, you know.
Starting point is 00:52:55 So, what kind of gadgets is there? He uses, like, a rolled-up newspaper and a pen to, like, beat a man to death. He's got that weird, like, hologram projector in his back. What? You know, the thing that's got you know it's the projector they're pulling bullets out of him right at the start remember no and he's got a little thing and they're like oh what's this oh okay yeah sure yeah all right so he counts but jackie chan's the tuxedo doesn't correct this is outrageous well look i'm making the rules here
Starting point is 00:53:22 fine yeah fine board Do you like them? They're great. Are they? Look, okay, let's break it down. Don't say film by film. No, okay. Because after the first one, I don't know what... I'm going to say let's break it down like with the spy cliches.
Starting point is 00:53:39 Okay, sure. So gadgets, you're saying there's no gadgets? No, there's gadgets. But I don't think... Well, like you said, there's no gadgets no there's gadgets but i don't think well like you said there's that back projector sure yeah uh look he's got a radio it's pretty good i guess yeah great fantastic car chases there's a lot of great car chases that's what i'm talking about i think i don't know if it invented it but it popularized that's that shot that you hate
Starting point is 00:54:01 where you see a window of somebody driving yes and then they get hit by a car or whatever yeah i know that a lot of the that movie was a reaction to like the james bond because at that time die another day was happening and everything was so ridiculous and so that was like let's strip it right back uh-huh yeah and and that's exactly what they did so it'd be like if he's speeding through paris or whatever he's got a map open in front of him as he's doing it. So he doesn't just know everything. Yes, exactly. He needs information and it's constantly, yeah, what else? Yeah, car chase is great.
Starting point is 00:54:33 Yeah, fist fights again, sort of pared down, not ridiculous. Yeah, he'll stab a man in the hand with a pen. That was really good. Yeah. That changed like fighting in movies in general. Yeah, that's true, yeah. The same way that The Matrix did. This kind of, they changed to, like, quick cuts and brutal kind of.
Starting point is 00:54:53 Very brutal, yeah. Kind of that kind of stuff. He's, I feel like Matt Damon as well, he wasn't really, you wouldn't think that he'd be suited to that before that movie came out. That's true, yeah. But, you know, he's obviously really, really good in that role. What about Aaron Cross, who takes over? Oh, right.
Starting point is 00:55:10 Didn't see that one. That's Jeremy Renner, right? Yeah, that's Jeremy Renner. Has he been given the same personality? I haven't seen it, but I know he has smart pills that make him smart. Oh, smart pills. The Limitless Pills. Great, okay, fantastic.
Starting point is 00:55:21 Okay, now, how about the Bourne Identity theme? How memorable is that theme? Bow, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Do you know what it is? I don't know what it is, but I've got it queued up on my phone. Oh, great. Let's see how it goes. Wait, there's an ad.
Starting point is 00:55:33 There's an ad. There's an ad for Bunnings. Oh, jeez. This is embarrassing. Okay, $59 for a folding aluminium work platform. Why are you embarrassed by that? No, I don't know. I thought it would be smooth as silk.
Starting point is 00:55:45 I thought it'd be smooth like a spy this episode. I could really cut that down and make it smooth as silk. Ah, but you won't. Nah. Great. Okay, here we go. Hold it right up to the mic. This is the main theme.
Starting point is 00:56:10 To Bourne. Yeah, Bourne identity. I'm skipping ahead. You know what it sounds like? It sounds like the... It sounds like the downtime in an El Mariachi film. Right, yeah. Where he's in his room and he's picking the bullets out of his body. It sounds like the soundtrack to like, you know, one of those Samsara movies where it's just like we're looking at really slow motion pictures of leopards taking off or whatever, you know?
Starting point is 00:56:37 I don't like that. As a theme song, I do not like it. Don't like it. So it fails. It fails the spy movie test. It's not a spy movie all right so i think this is yeah so so what what are we ranking them on gadgets gadgets ability to get around to paris yep good thank you uh fighting fighting good yeah and theme yes so what what so what are those is
Starting point is 00:56:59 which of those is is good for him so it's things sucks. Fighting's great. Getting around's great. Yes. Being on the rooftop behind you. Oh, he's great at that. He's really good. He's great at... We should also gauge the characters on the ability to be across the road from someone
Starting point is 00:57:15 and a bus or a train goes by and then they're gone. Yeah. If they can do that, they're a qualified spy. Yeah. You know what I like about that movie as well? There's a whole lot of other super spies.
Starting point is 00:57:24 Yes. But he's like the best one. So'll send like clive owen after him right we should talk about villains as well who was the villain in the tuxedo must have been a guy with another we're not talking about this yeah probably an even better tuxedo like a gold tuxedo yeah oh yeah uh villains well now i see what Bourne villains? Just like an agency who sort of don't like him? Yeah, it's a whole bunch of sort of middle-aged men. Yeah. And Julia Stiles.
Starting point is 00:57:51 Yeah, who's sort of a good guy. Yeah. Because a lot of the guys that are chasing Bourne just want to talk to him. That's true, yeah. Is that right? No, but they're probably going to kill him. Yeah, sure. Probably going to brainwash him.
Starting point is 00:58:02 Why don't they just leave him alone, though? He just wants to be left alone. Isn't there a Bourne book where the jackal comes after him boy maybe i might be wrong yeah but that'd be might be thinking of the jackal it might be yeah the movie the jackal there's a spy movie bruce willis and jack black you're forgetting richard gear oh yeah okay so in that movie gadgets sweet big gun like remote control they could shoot off a man's They could shoot off a man's arm. Yeah, shoot off a man's arm.
Starting point is 00:58:26 Great wigs for Bruce Willis. Richard Gere's all right in any way. Yeah, great. How do they get around Paris? In a van with a big gun in it, I guess. So great. Pass. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:38 I don't know. Going back to Bourne, I've said this before, those movies really blend together. They really do, yeah. And I haven't seen Green Zone, but apparently that's just like Born Goes to Iraq. Oh, yeah. Do you know, are you familiar with that movie? I'm aware of it, but I haven't seen it yet. It's like a Paul Greengrass movie.
Starting point is 00:58:50 But what's his name? He's back now. He's going to do another one. Damon? Yeah. Huh. So Renner's out. Yep, sure is.
Starting point is 00:58:58 Or they team up. Or maybe. Well, Renner was also supposed to take over in the Mission Impossible movies. Interesting. That was the idea, because they brought him into 4. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:06 To be like, oh, Ethan Hutton will retire because maybe Tom Cruise isn't so super popular anymore. Right, right, right. And then that obviously didn't happen. Didn't happen, yeah. But wasn't the idea in 4 that we thought his wife was dead, but she actually wasn't dead? Yeah, she wasn't dead. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:21 Okay. Yeah. But he couldn't be with her because of something, something. Because he's spies. Because he's spies, yeah's spies yeah i don't know born's pretty good well why don't we go to why don't we do ethan hunt yet okay great um getting around paris uh it's probably let's say eastern europe let's bend the rules he's great at it he's always running through eastern europe he's grabbing it he's shirtless but then he's grabbing he's grabbing a leather jacket off a washing line. How's that?
Starting point is 00:59:48 Just airing it out, mate. Maybe you'll be to a real smoky Eastern European club. You ever done that? Like a Eurodance disco. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. It makes sense, yeah. And you just smell like, yeah, your jacket smells like weird European cigarettes.
Starting point is 00:59:59 Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah, he's really good at that. Like maybe he'll slide down like a washing line as well, won't he? Oh, definitely, yeah. Or whatever. He is shirtless a lot. Yep.
Starting point is 01:00:09 More so in the last few. Yeah, definitely. Just to show off that he's still got it. And he does. Yeah. I don't know. I find the first movie of The Mission Impossible, I don't really remember it.
Starting point is 01:00:19 Is it good? It's much more in the style of the TV show. But isn't it? It's a lot slower. But people were annoyed because the John Voight character, who was the style of the tv show but it's a lot slower people were annoyed because the john voight character who was a character from the tv show was always a good guy was always a good guy but in this he turns out to be correct not a good guy i thought that was great no you enjoyed it he's like i'm tired of being tired of giving out the missions impossible or whatever you know yeah yeah that sounds like and then and then like... But that also has a terrific action scene at the end where...
Starting point is 01:00:47 Emery continually takes off masks. That was two. That was two. No, on the speeding train. And even though that's all great screen, it looks really, really good still, which is weird because it's from like 1996. And then at the end, he puts exploding gum on the helicopter. That's right.
Starting point is 01:01:02 And then it explodes and he escapes. And then the helicopter mashes John Voight into the train track. That's the best way to get rid of it. See, that's a good villain death. Definitely. Not only are they killed by a train crash, they're killed by an exploding helicopter and a train crash. So that's pretty good.
Starting point is 01:01:18 Yeah. Do you find that character engaging though, Ethan Hunt? Ethan Hunt? I don't know because he's not, doesn't have he's not very charismatic or and he doesn't have any sort of real motivation besides i've somebody's double-crossed him yeah like i'm i guess i'm doing this again like you'd think he'd retire you i mean he retires in three yeah he has been retired but then they kill his wife or whatever oh they kidnap her or something yeah yeah yeah and he has to come back and mission impossible again sure yeah yeah but now he's out Yeah. He has been retired. But then they kill his wife or whatever. Oh, they kidnap her or something. Right. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:45 Yeah. Yeah. And he has to come back and Mission Impossible again. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. But no, he's out in three. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:51 But why is he back in four? Because he's back in... Oh, yeah. Good point. He can't give it up, can he? I think he did in three. He doesn't have a wife to kill. So, you know.
Starting point is 01:02:04 Yeah. Yeah. I'm always confused by his motive you'd think you'd get out i don't it would take a toll all those impossible missions yeah he's doing too many of them you know he's got some pretty solid villains though john voyt in the first one yep second one is uh doug gray scott which is not great wearing a denim suit if i recall a denim three-piece suit third one is philipymour Hoffman. Yep. Who's great. We'll miss him. Really, really good at that. And the fourth one, I don't remember.
Starting point is 01:02:30 It's almost a reverse IMF sort of thing, I think. Okay. Because they've got a sexy lady and our team's got a sexy lady. Do they have a Simon Pegg? No, they don't. So, yeah. Was it? It was just a guy who drove through a lot of sandstorms.
Starting point is 01:02:43 That's right. But didn't he pull off his mask and then he was a different guy? Maybe. I don't remember. Let's assume so. See, that's the thing about these movies. They're pretty convoluted, so I don't remember what the point of anything was. I remember the action set pieces, but I don't remember.
Starting point is 01:02:56 There's always a decoder. Yeah. I don't remember the point of anything. They always have to break into something. Right. Somebody has to do the Mission Impossible. Yep. What's that called? It's sort of the weird abseil kind of thing the hand wave of the jazz hands the jazz hands abseil yeah i remember that being a really good scene for the first one where yeah it's a pressure sensitive floor he's trying to hack that computer yeah so he can't touch the
Starting point is 01:03:18 floor but he also can't make any noise or heat is it heat as well it's sound oh it's sound yeah and there's a drop of sweat going off his glasses that he catches it just before. Yes, yeah, yeah. It hits the ground. And what is it? Why don't they just have a camera in that room? Be like, there's a dude hanging from the ceiling.
Starting point is 01:03:33 I think they did the camera thing. Oh, okay. They did that thing. Nowadays, back then, that was a real thing. Like, we're going to have to slide in some different camera feed and we're going to have to do this and this. And then it was a real, that was a big part of the plot in that sort of movie.
Starting point is 01:03:51 But nowadays, it's just a matter of course. You just got a little box, you plug it in and it loops some footage and you're fine. It used to be as well. I can't remember what movie this is. It might have been a recent one. You take like a Polaroid right next to where the camera is and then it takes a picture of the room and then you just sticky tape that to the thing.
Starting point is 01:04:08 I think that might be a Mission Impossible one. Maybe. Yeah. Great gadgets in Mission Impossible. So good. So good. Masks. Hallway.
Starting point is 01:04:17 Hallway hologram machine. River holograms. Very good. Sticky gloves that don't work. Yeah. In the first one, he has, John Boyd has sticky, what are they called? They're like suction cups. Oh, yes.
Starting point is 01:04:30 He uses them on the train. That's right, yeah. What else is there? Voice changing thing, because their voice monitor later is on the mask. Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah. Exploding chewing gum. Red light, green light.
Starting point is 01:04:40 Red light, green light, yeah. Yeah. Any other thing? Motorbikes. Yep. Yeah, I don't know. red light green light red light green light yeah any other thing motorbikes yep yeah I don't know weird levitating vest thing yeah that
Starting point is 01:04:51 Emilio Estevez oh yeah that was actually a good twist in that one wasn't it that was good that it's that and executive decision
Starting point is 01:04:59 I was gonna say with two movies where we assume that everybody you see in the trailer is gonna last the whole movie but instead they're all knocked off. In like five minutes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:08 Great. Isn't that weird that Emilio Estevez was like a sexy spy? Can you imagine that now? He wasn't sexy. He was the nerd one. He's pretty sexy. No, he was the nerd. He was the technical guy.
Starting point is 01:05:17 He was like, I'm in the elevator and I'm- Really? Yeah, and I'm clicking, I'm doing, I'm freaking the elevator with my computers. And then he's like, oh no! And then he was crushed in the elevator. My face. And then he's like, oh, no. And then he was crushed in the elevator. My face. I think he's pretty sexy. I bet you do.
Starting point is 01:05:30 I bet you do. So Ethan, that's pretty good, isn't he? Yes. He's got incredible endurance. Hair. And hair in some of them. Sure, yeah. Do you remember the end of Mission Impossible 4 where Tom Cruise says,
Starting point is 01:05:42 mission completed, and then he shuts down the whatever? No. Sounds great, though. I remember that being kind of lame. And then afterwards, he's sitting at a cafe with Ving Rhames. And he's like, and then I said, mission completed. And Ving Rhames is like, ha-ha, that's, ha. And he's like, no, you didn't.
Starting point is 01:05:57 That's crazy. But I'm like, just because you pointed it out doesn't mean it wasn't dumb. Right, yeah. It is. Pretty great. All right. Well, I guess the last one we're really going to talk about is James Bond. Who?
Starting point is 01:06:07 Jimmy Bond. Thank you. Thank you. Does he have the best gadgets? He has the most specific gadgets. He has the most specific gadgets that are always required. Like, it's never – because you think about, like, Mission Impossible 4. They're like, well, we've got to get up the side of the building.
Starting point is 01:06:24 What do we have? What do we got? Oh, we've got the gloves and the sword of the building what do we got oh we've got the gloves that sort of work we'll give him a try kind of thing but with james bond it's always like okay well we're going to give you a mobile phone that remotely controls your car and also it's got a taser in it and then in like in order he'll need to use he'll need to tase somebody and then use the remote control the backseat of his car to remote control the car yeah this it's always so specific there's own there's a there's a few movies where he doesn't like not everything is employed oh really there's in golden eye he's got the bmw z3 that's his car
Starting point is 01:06:57 it's got like rockets it's got it's got like stinger missiles behind the headlights and all sorts of stuff and he never uses any of that's an ugly as fuck car as well it's got a weird color like you know the car itself looks pretty good but that that was the signature color when it came out this weird purple green yeah blend it was like robocops out of shell and robocop 2 it looked different depending on how you looked at it that aged instantaneously like they still make them and you you won't have noticed it because like the z3 and the z4 you won't have noticed because they're like we've learned our lesson let's make them in normal colors now but yeah like that movie you never see
Starting point is 01:07:28 and that was that was followed up in the next movie by the the the incredible remote control car chase yeah in the one in the one immediately after that because people were like where is our car chase like there was a tank there was a tank chase but people were like why didn't he use any gadgets in his car? And so the movie immediately afterwards, he used all the gadgets. Did he really? Yeah. Was it actually incredible though?
Starting point is 01:07:50 It was pretty good. I don't even remember. What was the one after that? The one where the guy takes over the world with newspapers? Maybe. But it was like a silver BMW. Yeah. And it had the remote control in his phone.
Starting point is 01:08:01 And it was bulletproof. It was more or less bulletproof. Because then they come up and they all machine gun it it just pings off but again it had the really specific gadgets like the bmw logo on the front would pop up and there's like a like a spitty blade to cut through oh like a razor like a razor wire and they just happen to have some razor wire and it's the exact exact height yes exactly yeah it's that exactly and it was filled with rockets and yeah machine guns and whatever uh but yeah no it's always weirdly specific also in from russia with love he's got a suitcase yeah and it's
Starting point is 01:08:31 got like heaps it's got like tear gas canisters and it's got all sorts of stuff and it's got like a belt like a money belt in it he never uses the money belt what does it do the money belt that's just filled with money that's just a money belt that's not a gadget no but that's what I'm saying like that was that was probably in the early 1960s that was the last time he had gadgets that he didn't use
Starting point is 01:08:51 if we're talking gadgets yes get smart the movie no let's not go there very good this is very specific I'm actually
Starting point is 01:08:57 I'm planning a video on dumbest bond gadgets oh yes and one of them is and this one's really specific he's got his avalanche proof jacket oh yeah that's right yeah where they give us one's really specific, he's got his avalanche-proof jacket. Oh, yeah, that's right, yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:06 Where they give us at the start, he goes, if you're ever in an avalanche, this will come in handy. And he's in an avalanche in that movie. Absolutely, yeah. And it makes like an inflatable ball around him. I remember, yeah. And, you know, what I hate about James Bond, Q's always like, here's a laser watch,
Starting point is 01:09:20 like this will save your life, and it does. And he's always like, fuck off, Q. You know what I mean? Yeah. Q would be dead dozens of times over. A movie. watch like this will save your life and it does and he's always like fuck off q like you know what i mean like yeah but q has dead dozens of times over a movie like yeah yeah and he just treats all the stuff like garbage that's true yeah like god damn it go on mate that's why i don't really like james bond as a person he's so ungrateful yeah because he's grew up rich he's an asshole that's true i'm gonna look up james bond gadgets i'm sure there's a million we've missed there's a really really funny one which i'm definitely going to include i don't know if it counts as a gadget bond sees a spy from the other
Starting point is 01:09:54 team or whatever it's a it's a it's a um what's he's called it's a bloody roger moore one and they go to he goes to see q and q goes describe him him. And Bond's like, well, he's got a round face and he has brown eyes and he wears glasses and his hair is parted on one side and it prints off an exact picture of him. Yeah, I remember that. It's so good. Yeah, great. Got any specific gadgets?
Starting point is 01:10:17 Well, there's a Wikipedia on a list of Bond gadgets, but they've included some stuff that I would not consider a gadget. Go on. Like a money belt? Well, yeah. No, that's in there. From Goldfinger, it just says, peephole bathroom. What? included some stuff that i would not consider a gadget go like a money belt yeah well yeah no that's in there from from goldfinger it just says peephole bathroom what uh you know uh is that something he carries with him no it's in his it's in goldfinger's jet okay they're like well we're gonna spot like if they've got a guest like bonds in the jet and they're like we're gonna spy on
Starting point is 01:10:40 them they'll use the peephole but that's not not a gadget. No. It's just a pervert device. You know what I mean? I know what you mean. You know, I'm going to scroll up because I'm going to scroll down to the modern, like the Brosnan ones. Okay, sure. They're the worst ones. They're the worst ones, yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:54 And they'll be the most, yeah, invisible car. Yeah. Come on. Do you think that was the tipping point? Yeah, because you don't need to be a super spy if you have an invisible car. What about the one that prints, the watch that prints off? I've got a picture here.
Starting point is 01:11:09 It prints off like... Morse code? Oh, it's like messages or whatever. Yeah, pretty great. Pretty great. Hasn't he got sunglasses that do something? Yeah. They do a bunch.
Starting point is 01:11:19 Yeah. Oh, in Die Another Day, he's also got a ring that can try, like it generates a sonic wave to Shadow Bros. And of course he needs that. Yeah, of course he does. Look at Brosnan in this picture, driving his BMW with his... Oh, he's having a bloody great time. He's loving it.
Starting point is 01:11:34 With his phone, yeah. Oh, so good. Maybe we should have just done a Bond episode. Nah. Oh, which is the one where he hides in an alligator? Oh, that's Octopussy. Is that where it's like an alligator submarine?
Starting point is 01:11:48 Yeah, that's Octopussy, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. That's a pretty bloody specific one. Well, look, we'll do a Bond one, we'll do a Bond one maybe next,
Starting point is 01:11:55 a few weeks time, maybe months time, I don't know, whenever Spectre comes out. We'll break it down by movie era. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:01 We'll talk about them as a whole. Yeah. We'll talk about the gadgets. Yeah. We'll sing all the theme songs.'ll be great in the meantime hope you enjoyed this one that was sort of about spies that i derailed multiple times fantastic uh you know what though a lot of the
Starting point is 01:12:18 do you think just oh we should talk about okay besides fight yeah okay i was just gonna ask yeah the daniel craig one's not heavy on gadgets correct skyfall had the most and it was a gun that only he could shoot and a radio radio yeah and actually there was that kind of that gadget in casino royale that thing that restarted his heart i don't think that that's more a medical device okay sure look i i think it's i understand that they want to to reboot it to back the way it was, but I don't think the Walther PPK is a very good gun. Okay, fair enough. What's this weedy little gun?
Starting point is 01:12:52 It's his signature gun, mate. You can put it in his little purse. Oh, you can put it in his little purse. You're right. Do you like a car that turns into a boat? Is that a gadget, though? Yeah. It's amazing.
Starting point is 01:13:04 All right, so let's rate Bond on gadgets. So he's got a lot of... Clicky pen that's gadget though? Yeah. It's amazing. All right, so let's rate Bond on gadgets. So he's got a lot of... Clicky pen that's a grenade? Yeah. That's very specific. That's very specific. You have to assume that a hacker is going to acquire it. I want to go back.
Starting point is 01:13:15 I'm never going to do it and count the clicks in Goldeneye and see if that lines up. Somebody will do it. Yeah, I'm sure somebody has done it. So gadgets, the best gadgets, because Q has clearly can see the future somehow. Navigating through Eastern Europe. He's pretty good because he just knows everything.
Starting point is 01:13:32 Yeah, he knows everything and everyone. And that time he navigated through Russia in a tank. That was pretty good. That was solid work. That was really good. I put this, I linked in my latest Bond video, the James Bond with lyrics. Oh, yes.
Starting point is 01:13:46 Which is very- My name is James Bond and I love to get passes. Yeah, that one's good. It's very, very funny. It's great, right? Yeah. Okay, fight. James Bond is a fighter.
Starting point is 01:13:54 He's- No good. No, the Craig one is really- Yeah. We've talked about this. Yeah. He's- The rest of them know judo.
Starting point is 01:14:00 Yeah. Craig is the most dangerous fist fighter, I would say, out of all spies. Maybe Kingsman, but I don't know. But yeah, like I can't, Ethan Hunt's not really, he's a different kind of fighting, isn't he? He's more kind of agile. He's more an Indiana Jones. Yeah, okay, sure. Because he'll fight for a while and then the bad guy will fall off a blimp or whatever.
Starting point is 01:14:23 You know? Yeah, sure. Yeah. fight for a while and then the bad guy will fall off a blimp or whatever yeah you know yeah sure yeah this isn't james bond related but do you want to see the best pierce brosnan performance of all time yes what goes on in this town is none of your business as long as i'm living here it is very good what is that from is that mama mia i don't know it'll tell you in the comments Very good. What is that from? Is that Mamma Mia? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:14:48 It'll tell you in the comments. Tell you in the description or something. What? Could I play that again? Yes. What goes on in this town is none of your business. As long as I'm living here, it is. Then maybe you shouldn't be living here!
Starting point is 01:15:08 Very good. That's the bird from Indiana Jones, the third one. All right, do you want to wrap up Bond? Yeah, I guess so. We'll do a full one. Yeah, we'll do a proper episode. I think what we've discovered is that we very much enjoy all these characters and all these spies,
Starting point is 01:15:24 but if you want to do a whole episode and ridicule just one subsection, it's Bond. Because it's not like... I couldn't ridicule Ethan Hunt. No, he's just like... Yeah, he's like that, isn't he? Couldn't ridicule Jason Bond with Bond. He's had it coming for a long time.
Starting point is 01:15:39 Well, why don't we do... Yeah, we'll do a Bond one, maybe Eros of Bond, I guess? Eros of Bond, yeah. We might do it next week because we've got to do Fast and Furious next week. Yep, great. And then next week's Daredevil. Right, right, right. I don't know, we'll do it at yeah we'll do a bond one maybe eras of bond yeah here's a bond yeah we won't do it next week because we're gonna be fast and furious next week yep great next week's daredevil right right i know we'll do it at some point yeah and we probably should do a star wars one at some point and a jurassic park oh yeah and a terminator got a lot of topics god it's it's tough being
Starting point is 01:15:55 the world's best podcast isn't it all right then you know what it's time for what's that what we're reading ah what we to read? I'm doing the same. What are we reading today? What are you reading? You know what I saw? Because we were talking about James Bond earlier in the week. Yeah. You know how a couple of weeks ago
Starting point is 01:16:17 there was that Power Rangers short film? I remember. And it was by Joseph Kahn. Yeah. And it was, you know, a gritty reboot. There's, by the same producer of that short is a James Bond... It's not a short film so much.
Starting point is 01:16:33 It's a pre-visualisation. What does that mean? So it's like CGI-generated sequences. Yeah. So it's not completely done and with an animated James Bond. Yeah. Like, so it's not completely done and, like, with an animated James Bond. Okay. And, like, you know, it's called James Bond In Service of Nothing. I think it's on Vimeo.
Starting point is 01:16:51 Yeah. And it's basically, it's a short film about, and it's not a comedy. Is it voiced? Yeah, it's voiced. Yeah. The audio's all in there. The guy who does the Sean Connery voice is pretty good. But it's basically, it's a story about the Sean Connery James Bond
Starting point is 01:17:07 who survived sort of to the modern era, and now he's irrelevant kind of thing. And he's in The Rock, the movie The Rock. Yes, precisely. And he's sort of looking for... Purpose? Like he's sort of like, oh, the world's sort of fallen down around my ears,
Starting point is 01:17:21 what can I do with my life kind of thing? And it's kind of, it's a short film about that. And it's quite interesting. But it's like animated-y. Yeah, it's do with my life kind of thing and it's kind of it's a it's a short film about that and it's quite interesting but it's like animated yeah it's sort of half done kind of thing okay it's out it's like uh it's sort of like a fan film kind of thing am i in service of nothing how long like 10 minutes like 10 minutes yeah am i all for it yeah you're all for it man all right great well that sounds good yeah we'll have another related uh james bond kind of thing we should have just made this a James Bond episode. It's a documentary. I might have mentioned it before.
Starting point is 01:17:49 It's called Everything or Nothing. Yes. Which is also the name of the best James Bond video game. I know people say it's Goldeneye and Goldeneye is good, but Everything or Nothing is, it's gadgets and it's Brosnan's voice. Right, yeah. It's probably the best Brosnan James Bond.
Starting point is 01:18:03 Oh, the name behind Goldeneye. It's a very good game. Anyway, there's a documentary called Everything or Nothing, which takes you from the very beginning, the early days of the writing of the character and how it developed and how they struggled to kind of get it made into a film through the Sean Connery era and then him leaving and then Lazenby and then Connery coming back as it goes through and all the legal wranglings because the rights then slipped to somebody else.
Starting point is 01:18:27 Right, exactly. And so they started making non-official Bond movies and whatever. Yeah, yeah. And it takes it pretty much up to the present day. And a lot of it covers like the Broccoli family who- Are made of broccoli. Are made of broccoli. They're broccoli people.
Starting point is 01:18:38 They're so successful and good on them because they're broccoli. Yeah, but if you have like any interest in James Bond, and I like James Bond, but I'm not a diehard fanatic, but I really, really enjoyed that documentary. I love some behind-the-scenes stuff, you know? So it was really, really good. And you've also been watching Last Man on Earth, which is quite funny.
Starting point is 01:18:57 Good fun, yeah. Yeah, I saw a thing where Will Forte, what Forte, is that how you say it? Or was it Fort? I say Will Forte, but who knows? Anyway, where he's like, I'm not used to people watching the things that I make. Right. Because like a lot of this, like he made like MacGruber and nobody watched MacGruber.
Starting point is 01:19:12 That's true. Yeah. And whatever. Yeah. Yeah. All right. That's pretty good, wasn't it? Great.
Starting point is 01:19:16 We did it. Letters. Time for them. Time for letters. Time for letters. I just wanted to say, we get a lot of letters and tweets and whatever. Oh, yeah. And every time I don't respond to one, which is most of them,
Starting point is 01:19:26 I feel like I've made an enemy. Oh, yeah, sure. Because a lot of people spend a lot of time writing like a long email or a clever tweet and I just never get around to replying. So I'm sorry, everybody. I just feel bad. Well, I feel nothing. How do you like that?
Starting point is 01:19:44 So I'm sorry if I don't respond or what. Like, yeah, I just, I don't know. What do you do, Mason? What do you do? Just continue how you're doing it. Okay. Yeah. You're running out of time, mate.
Starting point is 01:19:54 Here we go. It's from Joshua. Guys, who is your most anticipated Marvel hero that has been announced for phase three, but has not been seen on screen? This includes the Inhumans royal family. You can to answer for dc or whatever if you want do you want a rundown of what the movies are yes i think it's probably captain marvel okay sure yeah civil war so we get some some stuff in there oh yeah uh guardians 2 we might get adam warlock maybe i guess yeah yeah uh black panther uh infinity war one and two maybe it's Black Panther. I want to see what they do with that.
Starting point is 01:20:25 Yeah, yeah. Doctor Strange. Oh, maybe it's Doctor Strange. Stop changing. Whoever's in Thor Ragnarok, that they get. The Rock. The Rock, yes.
Starting point is 01:20:34 And Inhumans. So that's their face. And I guess Spider-Man's in there, if you count that. But we've kind of seen some Spider-Man before. But how are they going to interact with the thing?
Starting point is 01:20:50 Who do you pick? You know what? I'm i'm gonna pick dr strange that's my final call so okay because we haven't seen magic yet and you love cumberbatch we've seen your kind of your thor magic that is just alien science but we haven't seen magic magic yeah you want to see different realms of existence yes you want to see the eye of agamotto i I want to see Shuma Gorath. Yep. Weird alien tentacle monster. Do you want to see what kind of beard Benedict Cumberbatch has? Yes. Do you think he'll have a beard? I think he might have the long mustache that goes all the way down to your chin. They're not going to do that, surely.
Starting point is 01:21:16 I bet they will. Because I feel like Tony Stark stole Doctor Strange's beard. Oh, I see. Right. You're saying he's cornered the market on weird facial hair. Definitely. Interesting. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:29 He knows what they do with him. Okay. Well, I'm going to say, I think Black Panther. Okay, great. Because I feel like it's been a long time coming. Yep. And I like the actor who they've got, even though he seems like a... I don't know that much about him.
Starting point is 01:21:40 But yeah, like you said, I want to see what they do with him. Like, he's a prince or a king or whatever he is yep great um yeah and i like the costume like that does that image that they released yeah i like that look of that costume and i want to see how they bring that to life and how good that will look and yeah it'll be super cool yeah you're nice that's the answer to that question oh yes uh hey james do you think he's gonna have a cape or no cape no cape i reckon he's gonna have a cape when he's doing royal stuff yeah and no cape when he's doing action stuff what about just like thor yeah he does has a cape when he's doing action stuff yeah you're right like thor in reverse reverse thor yep uh hey james and mason i'm curious as to what you guys think of universal obtaining the movie rights to
Starting point is 01:22:17 mark millar's recent comic chrononauts as someone who hasn't read the comic yet it seems like they bought the rights purely because it was written by Miller. Or Miller. Not a bad excuse, by the way. Have you guys read it or heard anything good about it? You read it? No, I read it. How was it?
Starting point is 01:22:31 It was pretty good. It's only one issue. Is it clearly derivative of something else? It kind of is, but I can't think of what exactly that is. I like the artist who did it. That artist also did, I think, Wake. Okay, sure. Which Scott Snyder did.
Starting point is 01:22:48 Yeah, it's kind of like time-travelling rock stars. It's a little bit kind of black science. Oh, yeah. But it's more kind of light-hearted. It's more kind of tongue-in-cheek. Right. Yeah, I'd say it's definitely worth a read. But I don't, you know, there's only been one issue.
Starting point is 01:23:02 And it's been snapped up for movie production already. A lot of his, yeah, he writes anything, it gets snapped up. That's true, yeah. Nemesis and... Is it kind of adult in tone? And I say adult with quote marks. Like it's adult, we're doing whatever we want. No, it's not like that.
Starting point is 01:23:17 Okay, great. Yeah, but I don't think he's, I'm trying to think, he's probably done Time Travel before, but maybe this is his first Time travel kind of centric story. But it seems it's good so far. Yeah. Yeah. That's the answer to that as well.
Starting point is 01:23:28 Great, yeah. We're killing it today. Yeah, killing it. Dear Nick, Mason and Jeff. Oh, yeah. Hey, guys. Love the podcast. It really helps me get through the workday without killing anyone.
Starting point is 01:23:37 I was wondering if you could take a little bit of the time to review some of the better-known Australian television shows. I personally love... Why do you laugh, Mason? All right, continue. I personally loved Wilfred. I'm watching season two of Danger 5, which is blowing my mind on how funny it is. Thanks again to keep up the great work, you dickheads.
Starting point is 01:23:54 Also, I'm now the official regional manager of the podcast from Michael Scott. Love it. Oh, I get it. Yeah. First of all... We didn't talk about bloody Get Smart, the movie. Sorry, go on.
Starting point is 01:24:06 Uh, yeah, okay, what are we talking about? Danger 5. Have you watched Danger 5? Never seen it. It's, uh, well, it's a different... I know what it is. Okay, fine. Do you want to still explain it?
Starting point is 01:24:13 Yeah, I guess so. It's like a team of groovy, groovy dudes. Yeah. And they've got to kill Hitler. It's kind of like, uh, what is it? I'm trying to think of an example. I've seen bits of it, but I haven't seen... Do you know what it's like?
Starting point is 01:24:23 It's like Sean McAuliffe's... What's it called? Roger Explosion. Sure, yeah. It's like a... But I feel like Roger Explosion is probably the best thing ever made. Oh, yeah, that's fair. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:24:33 I don't know. People should look up Roger Explosion. Anyway, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Oh, yeah, just go to YouTube and look up Roger Explosion. Yeah. Maybe it doesn't hold up. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:24:41 So, anyway, it's set in the 60s. Yeah. Danger 5, but it's this weird version of the 60s where Hitler's, I guess World War II is still going. Okay. And there's like
Starting point is 01:24:49 these five international spies and they have to kill Hitler. Okay. And every mission they're like, we've got to kill Hitler. And do they? No. Is it funny?
Starting point is 01:24:57 It's good, yeah. Is it, does it get better? Like I heard the second season's better. Well, maybe you just said it here, but is the second season a lot better or something or? The second season's set in the 80s.
Starting point is 01:25:06 So, yes, it's better insofar as it's set in the 80s and Hitler is still alive. Is Hitler like the same age? Or has he gotten older? Well, it's always Hitler. Yeah, I know. But he's like, does he get older? Not really. Okay, sure.
Starting point is 01:25:19 But, yeah, like it's kind of one of those TV shows, I guess, where they just throw everything at the wall and see what it sticks. Do you know anybody in it? No. Because you know a lot of these people. I do, but I don't think so. But there's always ninjas and dinosaurs and that kind of thing. And you're like, well, you know.
Starting point is 01:25:34 Okay. I think for me, I enjoy it, but I think initially for me there was a bit of a cringe where I'm like, are they just throwing everything the internet likes at a TV series and seeing if it works? I don't know. Yes. They sure are.
Starting point is 01:25:47 One show I like, I enjoy Utopia. I enjoy anything Working Dog, which is an Australian production comedy company, do with the exception of Any Questions for Ben. Oh, sure. Which is total crap. Yeah. But, yeah, Utopia is like it's all about bureaucracy and trying to get government initiatives through.
Starting point is 01:26:05 Right, right. And the red tape and whatever. It's just very amusing. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't call it – like I like it a lot. And there are – I do know people on that show. Luke and Celia. Celia.
Starting point is 01:26:15 Yeah. But, yeah, I wouldn't call it – like it's not smart comedy specifically. No. It's kind of a lot of dumb comedy set in a universe of smart people. Yep, sure. It's just smart people getting frustrated at really dumb things. So if you like watching that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:33 Oh, so you don't love it? No, I do. I like it a lot. Okay, cool. I think it's great. Yeah, but it's not a sitcom or whatever. No, it's not a sitcom, yeah. And The Working Dog used to do a show in the early 90s called Frontline.
Starting point is 01:26:43 Which was very similar. Which was very similar. And that's kind of like The Office before The Office did The Office. Yeah, it was set in a... Like you've got a completely obnoxious, unaware central character. Yeah, it was set in a current affairs TV show studio. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:56 So it's basically like you've got your Michael Scott and everybody else is sort of normal. I guess, but I mean, it would have been The Office before The Office, but it was Larry Sanders show after Larry Sanders. Okay, good point. Yeah. Yeah. You did it. I guess it, but I mean, it would have been The Office before The Office, but it was Larry Sanders show after Larry Sanders. Okay, good point. Yeah. Yeah. You did it. I did it.
Starting point is 01:27:10 What else is good on Australian TV? Rake is season one or two, all right? Great. I've mentioned that before. Fast forward. Nuts. We've gone a long way back. Let's not.
Starting point is 01:27:21 I don't know. I don't watch a lot of Australian TV. I don't watch a lot of Australian TV. I'm not saying it's bad. I am. Okay, I don't watch a lot of Australian TV. I don't watch a lot of Australian TV. I'm not saying it's bad. I am. Okay, great. It's generally not very good. I think every now and then you'll get like a decent comedy show.
Starting point is 01:27:31 But generally the comedy is not very good. Generally the drama is even worse. If you want anything that's sci-fi or anything that's not a procedural cop show or a boring family drama. Yes. They don't do that. Okay. You know what I mean? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:27:48 I think it's because there's no market for it here. Maybe, yeah. Like, I don't know, yeah. That's true. We simply don't have the population to sustain. Yeah, exactly. What is it, 22 million or whatever? Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:27:59 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and also, I don't even watch TV. Like, I don't put on my TV to watch TV. We're people who don't own TV. We don't even own TVs. We don't even watch TV. I don't put on my TV to watch TV. We're people who don't own TV. We don't even own TVs. We don't own a TV. I watch everything digitally or whatever. That's what I refer to.
Starting point is 01:28:13 I can't think of any. There are good Australian shows. Yeah. If we're talking about Sean McAuliffe and Roger Explosion. Yeah. There was a show. You can probably get it in. It's that kind of Colbert Report kind of show he does.
Starting point is 01:28:24 Yeah, it's called Mad as Hell. Sean McAuliffe's Mad as Hell. Sean McAuliffe is a bloody national treasure. He is, isn't he? Yeah. And he is, look, again, a couple of friends of mine do write on that show. Okay. But-
Starting point is 01:28:35 You're a bloody sellout, Mason. I know, right? How much money did they give you? All my money. Oh my God. Yeah. Wait, they gave you all your money? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:42 I didn't think the deal through. They gave it back to you. Yeah, I didn't think the deal through as well. But it's kind of a current event. It's kind of a John Oliver this week tonight. Yeah. Last week tonight? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:52 But he's been doing that for a while as well. Oh, yeah. It's great. I've just looked up best Australian TV series. The first result is Neighbours. The second result is Home and Away. Oh, boy. The third result is Summer Heights High, which a lot of people like.
Starting point is 01:29:03 I like Summer Heights High. I don't. Why? This is Summer Heights High, which a lot of people like. I like Summer Heights High. I don't. Why? This is a popular show overseas as well. Because it's the same show every episode, and it's just real broad, weird stereotypes, and it's unpleasant. Find it unpleasant, he's just mugging.
Starting point is 01:29:21 If it wasn't on ABC, which is sort of our government broadcaster where it's like, well, we've got some artistic merit, people would be't on ABC, which is our government broadcaster where it's like, well, we've got some artistic merit. People are like, well, this is weird and racist. I don't know this. What about A Place to Call Home?
Starting point is 01:29:32 Never heard of it. Which is our knockoff of Downton Abbey. Never seen it. Have not seen it, no. Apparently Josh Thomas' Please Like Me is really good. That's really great, yeah. I've never seen it.
Starting point is 01:29:40 That is on, if you're in America, that's on Pivot TV. I don't know what that is really, but that's great. It's a really good sitcom, but it's a show. It's sort of like a dramedy. Okay, sure. But it's kind of, it's a show where, and again, people I know are on the show.
Starting point is 01:29:57 Oh, you're so famous, Mason. Yeah, but I'm just, people will be like, well, why are you plugging that? Because you're mates or whatever. But it's a show where the characters are funny, but they're not fun. They're not funny in a sitcom way. They're funny. Like your funny friends are funny.
Starting point is 01:30:12 My friends aren't very funny. Yeah. Well imagine you had slightly funnier friends. They'd be like this. Couldn't even, that's a shame for you. Uh, but you know,
Starting point is 01:30:19 it's not like somebody walks in and they're like, Oh, blah, blah, blah. Here's a cell. They're like, Duncan's here.
Starting point is 01:30:24 And then, then somebody walks in and they're like, and here's a punchline blah. Here's a cell. And they're like, Duncan's here. Yeah. And then somebody walks in and they're like, and here's a punchline. And everybody, it's not a two and a half man kind of situation. It's kind of, it's funny people interacting. So it's Australia's two and a half men. Yeah. Okay. I gotcha.
Starting point is 01:30:35 They've got Underbelly here. I hope the first season's all right. Okay, great. A country practice. Actually, if we're talking about good crime shows or good sort of, there's a show called Redfern Now, which is set in Redfern in Sydney. I know Redfern. And it's not a crime show, but it's about the people of Redfern. It's a bit The Wiry.
Starting point is 01:30:57 Okay, sure. Pretty good. All right. It's a lot of Indigenous kind of affairs. It's an Indigenous kind of thing, yeah, absolutely. And talking about that, there's also a show called The Gods of Wheat Street, which is like a mini-series and it's about a family sort of in a sort of a failing, you know, they've got a failing business in a, you know, in a kind of a sort of remote town and it's
Starting point is 01:31:16 sort of their, you know, their sort of trials and tribulations and stuff like that. Which sounds like a soap opera, but it's actually a good drama. Okay. Yeah, Gods of Wheat Street. Speaking of good dramas, Kath and Kim. No, you've made a mistake there. That's a very popular comedy here, isn't it? It's very popular, yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:30 They got remade with Selma Blair in the US. It's not very good though, is it? No. You ever seen Upper Middle Bogan? No. It's garbage. Okay, great. Love My Way is a great Australian drama.
Starting point is 01:31:41 Oh, yes. What I've seen of it's really good. That's from 2004. Okay, right. What I've seen of it's really good. That's from 2004. Okay, right. The Block, we have that. Well, look, we've overwhelmed people with two average TV series from Australia. Blue Heelers.
Starting point is 01:31:53 Hey, Hey, It's Saturday. Stop. Let's put a moratorium on mentioning Hey, Hey, It's Saturday. Good Game. I like Good Game. McLeod's Daughters, it is. Offspring.
Starting point is 01:32:03 Yep. Big Brother. Stop talking. lana woodley i'm leaving i'm leaving the the morning i'm leaving our podcast cave we i have to go blinky bill i've got it i got stuff to do aggro's car i've got to go i've really got to go all right fine i think actually that's it yeah so watch any of those shows sure our country practice doesn't even air anymore all right that's a show for this week listen if you've got something you want us to talk about or whatever yeah just write an email we'll just do it at the end like in a question oh yeah totally like so yeah a letter which i guess is what people do they sure do like yeah but yeah like i think that's probably like if you want if
Starting point is 01:32:37 you're sending us an email an email or a tweet or something like that give us a topic that we can sort of yeah sink our teeth into for minutes. For five minutes at the end. Oh, yes. And if it's like something bigger, then we'll do an episode or whatever. Yeah, totally. Because like I said, I've got a bank of episodes that I've written down for people have suggested. Great.
Starting point is 01:32:54 Yeah, thank you to the Bruton the Basilisk for the themes. Lovely. Yeah, great. I'm trying to get that Never Go Back Up by tomorrow. It looks pretty good from what I've seen. Yeah, from what you've seen. I might do a first cut of it and put it on the patreon oh yeah wait two weeks and put it on the regular one great kind of tighten it up so i guess it's a sort of uncut one yeah cool sort of it's not really
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Starting point is 01:33:31 we recently put up the Watchmen commentary we did and we also do you want to talk about the other one we did just briefly I'm not going to put it up yet
Starting point is 01:33:37 okay well we've done we've actually instead of making everybody wait six months for the next one we recorded the Avengers commentary
Starting point is 01:33:43 we did a few days ago 1996's The Avengers correct with Ralph hines it's ralph yeah it is ralph yeah i'll put that up pretty good like yeah it did yeah i think so so at some point that'll great that'll go up patreon.com mr sunday movies i said that already okay if you want to support the show did you yes oh some people have asked if uh if you just want to donate once, don't do it through Patreon. I mean, I guess you could. You can.
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Starting point is 01:34:18 That's what I do. You listen to our commentary tracks, do you? Yeah. All right. Well, next week, Fast and Furious 7. Yeah. Thanks to everybody who sent in a photo
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Starting point is 01:34:41 Oh he looks great. He's looking how majestic is he? Having a great time. Majestic is the right word. Exactly. Oh so good. Is that the t-shirt with you on. He's looking majestic. Having a great time. Majestic is the right word. Exactly. Oh, so good. Is that the t-shirt with you on it?
Starting point is 01:34:48 Yes, it is. Well, that's not that good, is it? Yeah. All right, guys. Next week. If you've got an opinion on Fast and the Furious, maybe email or tweet it in. I'll try and include a few next week. Yeah, totally.
Starting point is 01:34:58 Yeah. Great. If you don't have an opinion on it. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret. The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost.
Starting point is 01:35:19 FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+.

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