The Weekly Planet - 89 Game Of Thrones & E3

Episode Date: June 22, 2015

Massive week for movie news including Batman V Superman, X-Men, Kick-Ass and more.Plus we half arse a break down of both Game Of Thrones season 5 and E3. Spoilers for GOT. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Weekly Planet, official podcast of comicbookmovie.com, where we talk movies and comics and TV shows, and sometimes entourage, but never again. Never again, sir. Unless there is some sort of Sex and the City 2, Entourage 2 sequel. Oh my God. They go to Saudi Arabia

and then they show all them bros how it's done. Yes. They run that town and then they're all executed, like by beheading, probably. That would make a lot of money, probably more than the first one. It'd make more for me, certainly, because I'd watch that multiple times.

That would probably be critically acclaimed. It'd be like for me, certainly. Yeah. Because I'd watch that multiple times. That would probably be critically acclaimed. It'd be like, they got their comeuppance. Finally, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That would be amazing. My name is Mr. And maybe there's somebody reading out a long list of charges before they're executed.

For having no charisma. For being the boring one, but not as boring as the other boring one. Correct. Anyway, my name is James Also known as Mr. Sunday With me as always my co-host Nick Mason It's me Should we get into the news? Love news

You probably heard about Jurassic World We talked about it last week Yes Both of us enjoyed it Yes, it was a good movie It was a bit kind of like It's divisive, I would say More positive than negative

But it had the biggest opening Biggest US opening of all time with 209 million euro dollars. Don't know what that is in Euro. Get your calculator, get your currency calculator. I do. I'll look it up. I'm going to look it up while we're talking,

but rest assured, I'm definitely still listening to something. Right. So, so what did that beat out? It beat out the Avengers. Yep. Age of Ultron. What did the Avengers beat out? I don't know. Avatar to something. Right. So what did that beat out? It beat out the Avengers. Age of Ultron.

What did the Avengers beat out? I don't know. Avatar or something? Probably, yeah. Yeah, one of those. Avatar. I don't know about Avatar's opening weekend. I think Harry Potter might have been before that,

the Deathly Hallows. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. Couldn't tell you, to be honest. So, yeah, it beat it by a couple of million, and Marvel were pretty good about it. They said that. You saw that picture that they sent. Yeah.

They were very, they were very, uh, congratulatory. Little, little Chris Pratt on a Tyrannosaurus Rex wielding Thor's hammer. I think he was regular sized Chris Pratt. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh yeah. Just, just, just, but I mean, not on like a phone screen. He was very,

he would have been, wouldn't he? Uh, it's 184 million Euro. That's at the time of recording this, by the way. Yeah. So if you're listening to it in the future

or the past currency rates will have changed exchange rates yeah yeah okay good good you pointed that out otherwise we'd get letters in a few years so what do you think this has succeeded uh well it's a okay it's nostalgia value certainly yeah but that wouldn't work if the movie was terrible correct i feel robocop though i didn't mind Robocop. Yeah, exactly. It's a different thing. Yeah. But will Jurassic Park also, people forget, was the biggest movie of all time before Avatar?

Yes. So it would make sense that this would do numbers, you know, close to that or whatever or more, obviously. I think nostalgia, yes. But I think also when you put in someone like Chris Pratt. Yes. They timed that perfectly. He's the king of Hollywood.

Exactly. I mean, Marvel sent that congratulatory message, but he's in Marvel movies as well. Exactly. You know? Exactly. So it's, I mean, look, and who knows? The stars rise and fall, as they were, but he's like,

I don't know if he's paid. Yeah, check the chris pratt exchange rate in a few years maybe you might be doing what is he in euro yeah but that's great he's really good in that movie as well do you think that what do you think could be the next thing to beat that other other than avatar 2 which won't beat it it's a really good question i think there's only one thing with more nostalgia value which could beat it it. And it's the company this year. Entourage 2. Yes. Entourage 2, they're all beheaded. Yes.

Now, what are you talking about? Star Wars. Oh, yeah. Okay, that'll probably do it. And also, Star Wars has the advantage of opening with nothing around it. Like, Mission Impossible 5 was moved. Yeah, yeah. Wisely. Run and scared.

Yeah. They were running scared. Of course, though. Like, fair enough, though. Yeah. That looks good. I'd see both of course though like fair enough though like yeah that that looks good i'd see both but star wars would crush mission impossible yeah so i think star wars has a shot but you know it remains to be seen oh yeah yeah uh what about like anyway i was going to say we'll talk about batman v superman in a minute because i got some

news on that oh good we'll come back to that we've gone a long time without batman v superman news we have haven't we i'm glad it's back but not really matthew vaughn to that. We've gone a long time without Batman v Superman news. We have, haven't we? I'm glad it's back, but not really. Matthew Vaughn says that they're working on a Hit Girl slash Big Daddy kick-ass prequel. And then after that, they're going to go and hopefully make Kick-Ass 3 because he thinks a prequel will kind of restore people's faith in the series. Because a lot of people weren't wrapped with 2. I found it a bit unpleasant

yeah well i got an email here from sean he wants to know what we think of the kick-ass movies and specifically you and what you thought of part two because we've sort of talked about it did we do an episode we did an episode on it yeah you go back to that but the long story short is look i didn't i didn't mind the first one i think it's kind of fun i thought because kade was great and chloe moretz yeah and the other guy's fine uh but the other one the the second one i'm like oh it's a bit unpleasant yeah like it's generally like there's there was a lot of hey we're ruffling a lot of feathers because we're so subversive we're so subversive kind of thing yeah but at the same time they were just buying and they were like oh we're you know we're we're commenting on you know comic books in a meta way because it's so cool but then they would it

would fall into all the same tropes yeah that's there was a lot of you know sincere speeches yeah there was a lot of melodramatic sincere speeches about being who you are and doing what your legacy promises or whatever and nobody said remember that jetpack and pointed that out from the first one correct that should have been addressed right yeah yeah that time you bought a jetpack with machine guns on the internet oh last week i asked people to email in and tweet in i've got that best mini guns in movies well i can talk about that now yeah i got an email from um connor yep he's pointed out a couple he talked about the predator one which talked about. But he also says Robocop 2. Robo-cameras. Yeah, Robocop 2 has a minigun, yeah.

Yep. Mounted to his battering ram arm. And District 9. An MNU soldier briefly fires a minigun at Wikus when he's in the exosuit. Don't remember. Any of those ring a bell? Ring a ding ding. Ring a ding, precisely, yes.

Any others? The Matrix. There's one mounted on a helicopter. Oh, that's a good one. It's pretty good. The scene is pretty good, but he shoots a whole bunch of agents. They all come back up. They're all alive again.

Oh, so, yeah. Yeah. But it tears apart that room. Yeah, that's true. That's pretty sweet. That's pretty fun. That's the most you can hope for. It's very rare to see somebody shot with a minigun in a movie.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Because they just disintegrate. Yeah. Which is what I want to see. What about... A lot of people said Rambo 2008. I was going to say, that's not a minigun. Not a minigun.

It's a Browning M2. No, you're a bloody gunsman. Yeah. Yeah, that is a good scene. I think someone also pointed out Rhodey in Iron Man 2. That's CGI, though. Okay, fair enough. I don't like it.

So those are the rules. It looks pretty... Yeah. Yeah. It looks pretty solid, but it's not, yeah. So that's Mason's minigun minutes. It's minigun minutes. Yeahun it's minigun minutes yeah uh so anyway kick us too yep uh and there's weird like there's about that you know it's too cool for school but also the weird sincere or whatever there's also

there's no consequences to violence except when there's heaps of consequence to violence like his dad is strangled to death in a jail cell. Oh, yeah, I remember that. But there's also like that weird attempted rape scene, which is supposed to be hilarious. When's that? Of Kick-Ass' girlfriend. Oh, yeah, right.

By what's-his-face. I forgot, McLovin. Yeah, by McLovin. And then they're like, and then he can't get it up, so that's hilarious, right? But then he's like, then he goes to his henchman, hurt her real bad or whatever. And then she's just in hospital and she's got a couple of little scrapes on her or whatever.

But other people are getting cut in half and all sorts. I think he gets all his limbs bitten off at the end. Yeah, exactly. By a shark or something. Anyway, it's weird and I don't like it. So, prequel movie. I think they said they're going to have to recast Hit Girl. Hit Girl, yeah, exactly.

That's what I... I think they said they're going to have to recast Hit Girl. Hit Girl, yeah, exactly. Do you think the prequel could just be like Nicolas Cage in his Big Daddy costume with like a baby Bjorn on his back and they don't have to recast. It's just like a dummy baby and he just runs around. He's always leaving on the roofs of cars and stuff that he's been leaping on. That would make sense. They could definitely get Nic Cage back for that.

Oh, absolutely. He'll do anything. He'll do literally any film. I think he did Season leaping on. That would make sense. They could definitely get Nick Cage back for that. Oh, absolutely. He'll do anything. He'll do literally any film. I think he did Season of the Witch. I don't know whether it's called that, with Hayden Christensen. Oh, yeah. So if that's any indication.

Oh, boy. Yeah. Oh, here's a bit of news. Okay. You might have this, but maybe not, because it's not really news. It's kind of dumb. Arnold Schwarzenegger pranks fans at Matthew Sobes,

posing as a Terminator waxwork. See, I'd be worried. If I went up to that, I'd be like, they really got how old he looks now. They really got how old and haggard he looks. This must be real fresh because he looks like garbage. Did they just get a big sack of garbage out of the dumpster out the back and sort of mould it with wire?

Press it into a vaguely man-sized shape and then he moves and you're like, oh, my nightmares. Yeah, did you enjoy that? Yeah, it was pretty good. Look, I know he's like a scumbag and all that kind of thing, but he's so charismatic, isn't he?

Yeah. Well, they probably cut out all the scenes. They probably cut out... The groping? The groping. And there was probably people going, oh, he looks so old and gross. And then just Schwarzenegger just

puts out a cigar in their eye or whatever you know yeah he's doing a good job of promoting that film a lot of people are looking forward to it now yeah this and james cameron coming out going hey guys i like it i'm james cameron people this is i mean remains to be seen but oh there was a tv spot where it's like better than you expect the twist is not what you'd expect also. And it's like, you know, like quotes, but they're both like James Cameron. Right. Okay, sure.

So, yeah. But no, I hope it's good. Hey, James Cameron, can you say these exact words? Better than you'd expect. Yep. Just on the subject of Kick-Ass, can I quickly jump back? Yes. I'd be very surprised if they end up making both of these.

The prequel and the sequel. Because Kick-Ass 2 can I quickly jump back? Yes. I'd be very surprised if they end up making both of these. The prequel and the sequel. Because Kick-Ass 2 made, like, no money. Right, exactly. Anyway, we'll see. Yeah, and I think the... I think a little bit that the time has passed for non-Big League superhero movies. Okay. Like, I mean, you know, Kick-Ass is an actual comic book property, but it doesn't have the weight of like the marvel juggernaut thing the juggernaut from the actual

yeah precisely it doesn't have that you know but and i don't think you know you know knock off some cheap stuff i don't think it's i think it's gonna fly i think people want the big the huge budget marvel stuff absolutely or DC. Or the image of the universe. They should make Invincible. I haven't thought about it in a while. I love Invincible. They won't. Channing Tatum will not appear in X-Men Apocalypse,

but Hubert Jackman will. Oh, Australia's own Hubert Jackman. Excellent. You cool with that? Yeah. But Rupert Wyatt, who directed the Rise of the Planet of the Apes He's going to do The Gambit solo movie

Which is out October of next year And that's going to be Channing and Mottatum Boy is it Okay great So yeah Excellent

Cool with all that? Yeah really good Yeah But you know They do kind of have to tie If it's an X-Men movie Set in the 80s With all

You know Pretty much all Recast characters Yeah They've got to sort of Tie it together Yeah yeah Absolutely With a Hubert Jackman Do you think It's set in the 80s with all, you know, pretty much all recast characters. Yeah. They've got to sort of tie it together. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. With a Hubert Jackman. Do you think the Gambit movie will be set in the present day?

Or do you want to see a breakdancing 80s Channing Tatum Gambit? No, I don't want to see that. No, I want to see, I would like, I reckon whatever the Wolverine. Yeah. Like whatever that time period is, like slightly in the future. I think it should be that. Okay, sure. Yeah, because I like that.

That vague. Yeah. So a future where you've still got trains, but you've also got robot samurai. Robot samurai and evil villainesses with vague powers. And pretty good animatronic bears. Yes. Yeah. That were supposed to be a real bear.

Oh. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I think they're going to have to do a time jump in X-Men at some point. Because otherwise they're just going to set them all in the 80s from now on. They'll have to, won't they? Yeah. So maybe a time machine, maybe some kind of shift in dimensions or some shit. I don't know.

I think they're just going to set the one after this in modern times and not mention it at all. Because they've just got 60s, 70s, 80s. Yeah, who cares? They're jumping a decade every movie. Yeah. I feel that's the classic Marvel. Just change the continuity, don't say anything. Yeah, you're right.

Just let people deal with it. If it's a good movie, it's going to stand on its own. If it's not, it's X-Men Origins Wolverine. American Gods. Have you read that? I do. I have. I'm a big fan. Good. We actually recommended Have you read that? I do. I have. I'm a big fan.

Good. We actually recommended the audio book back that one time. You recommended it. Yeah, back that one time we had an Audible sponsorship. That's right. Yeah. Or whatever it was. I don't know.

I say this every few weeks. We might be getting sponsorship at some point soon. Great. But I don't know. I have to sort that out, don't I? I'm making the greedy, greedy McGreeves. He's got his Euro calculator ready as well. Yeah, I don't know. I have to sort that out, don't I? I'm making the greedy, greedy McGreeves. He's got his Euro calculator ready as well. Yeah, that's right.

I'm going to buy all kinds of Bitcoins. It's not true. So, yeah, the TV series of American Gods, though, has been greenlit. Yes. For stars. Excellent. Brian Fuller and Michael Green, show running. Brian Fuller did Hannibal.

Yep. Michael Green did Kings, which I'm not familiar with. No. I like Hannibal a lot. Yeah, I know you're a big fan. Wait, the movies or the TV show? I'm presuming the TV show. TV show's great.

It's coming back soon, I think. I gotta watch that. It might even be tonight it's coming back. It might even be... Really? Check. I will. You're gonna have to close that Euro calculator out.

I never will. I need live currency updates at all times. Well, while you're doing that, you'll be happy to know that Neil Gaiman will be executive producer. It's already three episodes in. You're too busy looking at your calculator. Too busy looking at my bloody...

You want to know what boobs is in euros. Yeah. Shell oil. That's another one. Yeah, it's a good one. Yeah, this has been in development for years they've been talking about it and i think with the walking dead you know doing really well and not being that good and it seems more game of thrones than walking dead i guess in terms of i haven't i haven't read it so i couldn't tell you oh well it's american gods is set sort of now ish yeah Yeah, yeah. Like in the modern day. Yeah.

I mean, in terms of like consequences and... Oh, no, because the comics of Walking Dead has a lot of consequences. Oh, I see. I don't know, man. So does the show. I don't know. Yeah.

I don't like that show that much. Anyway, go on. What were you saying? Yeah. Where are we going with this? What's modern day? Is it like Game of Thrones? No, it's not like Game of Thrones at all.

There you go. You heard it here first. Yep. There's a lot more gods. By that I mean any gods. There's gods in Game of Thrones. Yes. We'll get to that, Mason, next week.

Maybe this week. Okay, let's maybe do it this week. So it's been confirmed that Marvel and Sony are definitely not coming to Comic-Con. We kind of knew that. We did, yeah. Josh Wilding, who writes for comicbookmovie.com, our favourite website, other than hotmail.com. You know what?

They deleted my Hotmail account. Who's that? I had one back in the day. I don't know. Mysterious Dark Forces. But I had one. And then bloody I went to like check it and they deleted it. Can I say what your Hotmail address was?

No, we'll do it another time. Okay, cool. Because I like it. I enjoyed it. Yeah, it was fun, but another time. All another time all right cool yeah if you can guess it listeners send me an email you'll never bloody all right uh so it's gone yeah there you go as it's kind of like like that'll teach you for leaving us yeah nick mason um josh wilding pointed out anyway he writes for comic book movie um great dude If the Amazing Spider-Man series was still going,

they would have been turning up. Sony would have been turning up to promote the Sinister Six. Yeah, that's true. Isn't that weird? Imagine if we were trapped in that dimension. Where the weird Jamie Foxx, Electro and Paul Giamatti, Rhino. Yeah. They're good actors, but what was that?

Yeah, that's what I've been saying actors, but what was that? Yeah. That's what I've been saying. I've been saying that for years. For the years since it's been out. You know what? Yeah. Yeah. But we could have gone to Comic-Con and had like, there could have been like an origin

booth, like an Amazing Spider-Man origin booth. Get your origins! It's just the basement of the Oscorp building and you just stand there and... They give you a backpack with wings or octopus arms scorpion tail something like that pour a cup of sand in your mouth exactly yeah whatever yeah so that's great the time warner ceo jeff bukes b-e-w-k-e-s burgers burgers claimed uh that boogers got him continue claimed that he uh apparently he's told investors that there is no more anticipated movie set for release next year oh here we go than batman v superman no that's fair okay because we will be getting a Star Wars... Anthology. Anthology movie, right? Yeah.

Rogue One. Rogue One, yeah. Rogu One. Ragoo One. Boogers One. Got you, Lucasfilm. No, I'd say that's fair. Yeah.

We've not seen them team up before. Yep. On screen. I would... Look, I don't think it's my most anticipated movie. What is your most anticipated movie? X-Men Apocalypse. Really? No. That's not true. movie? X-Men Apocalypse. Really? No.

That's not true. X-Men Gambit Origins. Oh, yeah. Set in the vague future or whatever it is. Okay, what about Warcraft in terms of anticipation? Because you've got to look at the fan base for Warcraft. Yeah, that's true. People underestimate that.

It's not as in the public eye as Batman v Superman, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're saying Warcraft. Yeah, and I think you're probably right. You know, if there was a Starcraft obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But... So you're saying... Yeah, no, I think you're probably right. You know, if there was a StarCraft movie. Yeah. But yeah, like the... I don't know.

A Warcraft movie does feel a little bit like... Remember all those Urva Boll movies? Have we talked about his flip out? Oh, he had a meltdown, didn't he? Because he tried to do a Kickstarter to raise... For Post... Not Postal 3. One of something 3.

Right, right. Rampage 3. Rampage 3. Okay. Yeah. And he didn't get his $100,000 and he lost it. Great. He was making all sorts of racial slurs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy's a real... That guy's a real situation. That man. We should do an episode on him, maybe. Because he used to make movies because there was some sort of weird german tax shelter law where if you invested your money in his movie even if the movie was terrible and didn't make any money you would somehow get a massive tax break

yeah yeah and you would avoid paying tax or something like that. So that's how he just sort of got investors to come and invest in his movies in that way and get his movies made. But then apparently they closed that loophole. So now he just can't. He's out of the business. And now he's blaming Kickstarter, he's blaming Clooney.

And he went on this weird rant of like, everybody in Hollywood's laughing at you, like us specifically. But I think there's a bit of projecting there. Oh, definitely. Yeah, he went to town. So if you haven't seen that, and if you don't mind a grown man calling people retarded,

then maybe that's for you. Oh, boy. No, he's a lunatic. Yeah. And then he boxed his critics that time. He beat up a 17-year-old kid. I remember that, yeah. One of them was a dude from Something Awful.

Yeah, Richard Kiyanka, Low Tax. Yeah. Because that's all outlined, I think, on somethingawful.com. Yeah. Like, he was like, hey, come and fight me for, you know, for kind of a show thing. Yeah. And he was like, oh, this will be a fun time or whatever.

And then he got in the ring and Herbert just that dude can fight yeah yeah i'll tell you what like i would never agree to that and if i did i'd go give me six months yeah absolutely and then i probably still wouldn't do it because i'm a coward i don't know maybe in terms of anticipated movies star wars as well i mean that depends on what we get from the trailers for that. Because that's set in a real prime kind of Star Wars era that people love. Yeah. Around the New Hope era. So, look, he's definitely got grounds for that.

It may be true. There's no way to really tell. There's really no way to tell what is the most anticipated movie. Unless you poll literally every person who's going to go see a movie next year. Exactly. Tricky at best. Did you know anything about E3 that happened? People want us to talk about that for a bit if you want to.

Nope. Do you know what E3 is? The Electronic Expo of Games? Yep. They should really call it E2 plus G. Very good. No, I was not paying attention well i could i could give you some highlights if you want it's not surprising though is it really no if anybody

is tuning into this any regular listeners this is tuning in expecting me to say anything other than i wasn't really paying attention i i could yeah that's on you really yeah yeah um okay star wars battlefront 3 they showed that off i saw a little bit of that. Looks great. They showed some Hoth kind of adept. Yep. It's not set in any particular era, it seems, because you can have Luke Skywalker fighting Darth Vader, but he's kind of in his Return of the Jedi outfit. Right.

So it's just kind of you can throw anybody into a battle. I'm not sure. I think there is a single player mode, but they've basically said, or they're unwilling to say whether this game is canon or not right because in battlefront you can do anything for a lot of this you know what i mean you can have boba fett fight i don't know some other dickhead jango fett yep there you go that'll do it looks really good that's something i'm definitely want to get and if you pre-order it as well you get the battle of Jakku a week early or whatever oh that's right so I don't pre-order because fuck that shit but

um I'm gonna be doing that though so yeah uh Uncharted 4 oh yes Drake's Ravine I don't think it's Drake's Ravine Drake's Revenge Drake's Deception or was that 3? maybe it was I don't know I don't know yeah no I don't know either looks good big fan of those games you ever played them?

no I've always had an Xbox so I was tricked I'm like oh Xbox exclusives I think Mass Effect and then it went to all consoles

Halo Gears Gears was no good oh really? people love Gears yeah I don't like it okay fair enough. Rise of the Tomb Raider is an Xbox exclusive,

which I'm annoyed about because I want to play that. They will bring that to PlayStation. You'd think so, yeah. Yeah. Big one that people love is the Final Fantasy VII remake. Oh, in HD with all sorts of new stuff. All sorts of HDs. Yeah. As many as you can count.

Big Swords. Yeah. Cloud. Cloud Strife is his name. I never played that. Sephiroth. Yeah. Cloud. Cloud Strife is his name. I never played that. Sephiroth. How many F's in Sephiroth?

None. Tricture. Good lord. That's the twist. At the end, it's a man writing out his name. Yeah. Did you play that? Yeah, 7.

I played 7. That was on PlayStation 1. Yeah, yeah. You liked it? Yeah. Real good fun. Would you get the new one? Nah. Cool. Yeah. yeah. You liked it? Yeah, real good fun. Would you get the new one? Nah.

Cool. Yeah. One of the big Nintendo reviews was a new Star Fox game. Excellent. Love those games. They're really great.

Last one I played was yeah, 64. But apparently the ones you can get on DS are quite good as well. Excellent. Fallout 4, big one. Seen the trailer for that

looks great, yeah. Did you play 3? No. I started it but I was in a bunker for so long. And Liam Neeson's like, here's your thing for your wrist. Oh, this is boring, isn't it? Well, that's not very encouraging, is it? I know it's really good, but I never got past that.

What if the entire game was just Liam Neeson muttering under his breath? How he's bored? How he's bored? How he's bored, yeah. Look, I know it's really good and people are really anticipating it. You know, I sound ridiculous, but really, really open worlds where you could literally do anything

don't generally interest me because it's so kind of vague and sprawling. I'm like, what am I doing? So what's your limit? Would you say like an Arkham City? Yeah, absolutely. But Arkham Knight is going to be even bigger. It's five times the size or something.

But that's very story-driven. I feel like a thing like, say like a Skyrim, for example, there is a main story, but it's just kind of like, it's too much. And I'm like, because if I start playing this, I'll play it forever. And I just, I can't be doing that. I could, I think. But I think I've mentioned this before. playing this i'll play it forever yeah and i just i can't be doing that so i could i think but i

think i've mentioned this before uh my first playthrough of skyrim there was a bug like right because the the first releases of that were like notoriously buggy oh yeah and sometimes they'd be buggy and sometimes they wouldn't my the first time i started there was a bug in the first like 30 seconds yeah and so i just just dicked around for like 20 minutes in this one scene, like trying to escape from this, this horse drawn carriage thing. And I couldn't escape from it. I'm like,

I'm trying to listen. And then by the time I looked it up and realized that I was supposed to be led off the horse drawn carriage. Yeah. And the, the actual story is supposed to be started by the time I reset. I'm like, I don't care about this anymore.

I played it, but I'm like, I'm kind of sad on the whole thing. Yeah, you really did it, Skyrim. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I got a PS4 this week in anticipation of Batman. Oh, yes? One of the games I got was GTA V with it. That game is amazing. It's going to destroy your life, isn't it?

Oh, it really is. I didn't buy it for a reason, and I've started playing it, and I'm so behind on everything. Just in my life so yeah anyway i've got some fake news here i love some fake news that's going around yeah uh the fake news is uh a guy calling himself the ant man released 350 pounds of ants into a bank and robbed it. What? Rumors that a bank robber calling himself Ant-Man released 350 pounds of ants into a bank. Yep. He did get all those ants.

Were they in a sack? Large box. I guess they would be. Yeah, two of the men, the three men, two carrying a large box. The third man was wearing some sort of superhero-looking costume. The men emptied the box and what

customers and staff witnessed next was something out of a nightmare was ants what was this on this was on the

is this like a weird Marvel promo statally harold is this a weird Marvel promo kind of it doesn't sound it doesn't

because he's not really Ant-Man doesn't wear the Ant-Man suit to rob banks with a box of ants. Yet. Yeah, well, that's true. Maybe that's a post-credit sequence.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, that sounds great. Anyway, some people asked me to comment on that, and it's fake news. There you go. Yeah. A few more games before we move on.

Last Guardian, that's been promised since maybe five, six years. That's the same developer as Shadow of the Coloss and ico do you play shadow of the colossus yeah so that i'm really looking forward to that that was one of the reasons i think i got a ps3 to to play that and and then the god of war games but then they kind of got it's just the same shit it really is yeah they're amazing they look amazing and whatever but they're a bit um xbox also is backwards compatible which is great like the new xbox one the playstation aren't going to do that and what i thought you might be interested in it's called transformers devastation and it's a cel-shaded transformers game in the style of

the 80s cartoon oh all the original a lot of the original voices uh it's by the people who did metal gear rising which was the one where you had the sword. You had the sword and you could cut people's limbs off very specifically. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, and they did Vanquish and a few other stuff. Vanquish was like a futuristic. I remember, I had Vanquish. Yeah, it's pretty good.

Slide on your knees, shoot a robot. Shoot a robot. Yeah. Oh, Mirror's Edge as well. Which is great. Which was the free running game. Yeah, and look, Mirror's Edge is broken. A lot of the mechanics of the old one.

But I still had a lot. Not entirely broken. When it flows, it's great. Yes. So I'm hoping they've kind of fixed that up because I had a lot of fun with that first Mirror's Edge. Also, virtual reality is a big thing. Oh, it's back.

Yeah. They're taking another stab at virtual reality. Though one of the dudes from Nintendo, I can't remember which guy, was like... Assuming it's Shigeru Miyamoto. No, it wasn't. It was the other dude. Shigeru Miyamoto. No, it wasn't. It was the other dude. Shigeru Miyamoto-san. No, no.

What's his name? I can't remember. It's like a big dude. Oh, Wario. Yeah. He wasn't impressed. He said basically it's like a bit of tech and it's not... I mean, it is immersive, but it's not community-based and having fun with others.

Right. So it's not Wii bowling is what he's saying. Essentially. I mean, I think... I mean so it's not we bowling is what he's saying essentially i mean i think i mean it's not yet no i think that i think that's got legs i mean i don't i don't know anything about it's getting better like oculus rift that we're talking about there's a bunch of them like playstation has their own and whatever they've all got their own microsoft had a tech demonstration for the new halo game where you'd wear it and you'd go through and have the little Halo destination icon would pop up on your in your vision so and you actually walked physically walk down a corridor and you go into a room and then like a little holographic kind of map appears in the middle like it's it's kind of like augmented reality mixed with virtual reality yeah um you need a lot of space to walk around though yeah you need to well you know how they

do like those escape rooms yes a lot of companies are now doing a similar kind of thing where they'll set up like a maze or a series of rooms and you wear the Oculus Rift and you run through and you shoot creatures and whatever. Crazy. But because you're physically in the environment, you're not going to walk into a wall. Right, yeah.

As long as it's calibrated correctly. And they're not because they're maintained by bored 15-year-olds on minimum wage. You know what you couldn't put in there? We're deliberately miscalibrating them, yes? You couldn't put stairs in. No, people would break their legs. Anyway, Batman was also shown, but we'll talk about that next week.

We'll get into that. Who do you think the Arkham Knight is? The Arkham Knight will be yahoo serious unlikely that'd be amazing take a stab at it bearing in mind we don't know uh i would uh hush yeah it's gonna be hush yeah because the rumor was well one of the rumors was that so for people who don't know hush yeah he's a batman villain he's he was tommy elliott one of bruce wayne's childhood friends yeah who sort of went a bit crazy, a lot crazy. And then eventually he surgically altered his face

so he looked like Bruce Wayne. And so the rumour was... And he's in Arkham City. Yeah, very briefly. There's a side mission. And you see him. He's got the Bruce Wayne stitched together face. Yeah, totally.

So the rumour was that we were going to reveal that Arkham Knight takes the mask off and that he actually is the real Bruce Wayne. Yeah. And you've been playing... I think that's something that we... going to reveal that Arkham Knight takes the mask off and it actually is the real Bruce Wayne. And you've been playing. I think that's something that someone sent in for us. Yeah, it's a guy sent in. Yeah, I think that went around for a while. And so the character you were playing was Hush the whole time.

But if you read the Arkham Knight prequel comics, the Arkham Knight is killing people. So it's probably not Batman. That would have been a great twist though yeah unless they do swap in between oh sure there's heaps of swaps yeah yeah totally that'd be great i reckon it's harsh yeah well look you know we'll see won't we if it turns out to be the joker for no reason that'll be yeah also the prequel comic does have like batman taking the joker's corpse out to the police and then arkham knight is like there two minutes

later so unless there's a real quick switcheroo yeah yeah there's also a trailer where you see the joker's body being cremated all right i mean they swapped him out spoiler alert for arkham city where he's clay face and whatever so there's ways around that but i'd be very surprised if the joker was alive but we'll talk about next week week, won't we? Yeah, we will. People love Game of Thrones, Mason. Yes, they do. They've been saying since day one of the show, probably not. No, you're right.

Since day one, they've been saying, do an episode where you recap season five of Game of Thrones. Since day one, before season five of Game of Thrones even came out. Correct. Yeah. Now, I've kind of been, me and the listeners have been hassling you to catch up. So what I did is like the last couple of months,

I caught up on one through four. Yep. And then in like two days, I did season five. Yeah. So my head hurts, ultimately. I'm going to lose the thread a lot in this episode, but I'm going to give it a bloody good go. Can I ask your general thoughts on the series?

Okay, here's the thing. I don't think this is the strongest season, but elements of it I am enjoying more. I like the fact that we're getting more magic. More dragons. More dragons. Drogons. Yeah.

We get dragons. You like how there's more characters with regular English names that are slightly spelt in a different way. I've got a theory for you. Here's a metric I've developed. If your character name is easy to pronounce and even slightly like a regular person's name, you're dead. Ned Stark.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Spoilers. We should say this is all spoilers here we go yeah ned stark dead rob stark dead john snow dead daenerys targaryen live forever yeah a aria stark yeah i guess that's like our aria yeah that's kind of a yeah carl drogo that could be a regular name dead yeah carl carl's a. Yeah, Carl. Carl's a name, isn't it? It's just a name, yeah. Okay. So I think by like-

Stannis Baratheon. Possibly alive? No, he's definitely dead. Maybe. We'll get to that. Yeah. Yeah, so I think by like season seven when they're breaching the air. They'll all be like, Flindelhorn Mankell Child.

Exactly. It'll just be random strings of consonants all put together. Just fighting each other. Look, yeah, yeah so we should point out as well we're not we're not we're not book readers in general yeah not of this series because books are for nerds i read the first book yeah after i watched the first season i've never read a book oh that's good yeah and then i started the second one before the second season started but then i went you know what i like the show better yeah i did speak to some recently i have spoken

to some people yeah who are big fans of the show and who have read the books i hope these aren't friends of yours mason look who read books so let's say they're associates of mine fine but anyway so i'm like okay here's here's the things that have happened yeah can you can you summarize simplify this a bit for me and they're like well in the books and i'm like don't give me more information give me less information god summarize yeah so they were no help but you know yeah okay so like i said we're pretty much spoiled all this season so yeah uh so i thought maybe the way so anyway uh you were saying uh what do i think of the season yeah what do you think what i think of the series overall yeah yeah i'm enjoying more because because i think when it started you watched the first season and i'm like, okay, is it any good?

And you were like, yes. And I'm like, what's the magic situation like? And you were like, oh, magic used to exist, but it doesn't exist anymore. And I'm like, ugh, yawn. Yeah, sure. Because I like a fantasy series with a lot of magic in it. But I think that was smart not to go full Merlin from episode one

because that drives people away. That's true. And the problem with full magic is that unless you clearly define all the rules in like a massive expositional format. In a wall of text like the movie Dune. Yes, exactly. Then people are always like, so can they do this or can they not do this and blah, blah, blah.

And it's all it's all very vague and you can always have a character get out of the situation by using some vague magic in some vague way that they never have before so i think you're right in the game of thrones to they have the the magic in this as well is um i was gonna say it's seems to be a lot of it's kind of like the whims of the gods it's kind of like sometimes this magic will work for you sometimes maybe this is a one-time thing this time if this happens and etc so i think they kind of there are rules but they're pretty you don't have you don't have to adhere to certain things because all the prophecies are vague yeah and they can be misinterpreted and whatever the you know it could be, the chosen one could be anyone

at this point. Could be Neville Longbottom. It's not Neville Longbottom. Although, well, maybe it would be. Maybe he is the chosen one. You know what I like about this? This, for me, feels like a natural progression

from Lord of the Rings. Not in the sense that these are the same, but in the stretch. No, you're saying it's a sequel. It's a sequel. This is an official sequel to Lord of the Rings.

Well, see, I felt like after Lord of the Rings, like, obviously, I was 10 years younger than I am now when this came out before then. And I was kind of looking for something to follow up from that. Yes. And, you know, a little bit more mature, a little bit more expansive. By that you mean gratuitous nudity.

That's what I mean, yes. And dragons. And this is that. Like The Hobbit is not that for me. And I'm sure it is for a lot of people. But this is, I don't know, I just like the way that this universe is. I think this is definitely helped by kind of a combination of your shows like Your Sopranos and Your Lord of the Rings.

It's kind of like a combination of that kind of shit. It is an absolute combination of The Sopranos and Lord of the Rings. It's very House of Cards, really. Yeah, before House of Cards. Yeah. In your face. In your face, House of Cards. in your face in your face house of cards your face spacey all right well how do you how do you want to do this in terms of talking about

the series episode to episode let's just wing it and see what happens we can go bloody alliances are made dragons are written fairly unconvincingly uh bloody a character who's kind of been boring for about four years suddenly becomes a bit more interesting and then he's immediately killed. Jon Snow. Straight away. Why don't we do story arcs or areas? All right, let's do story arcs.

Bearing in mind, I'm probably going to forget. Like you might give me one and I'll be like, I have no memory of that. Yeah. And do you want to do like highlights and lowlights? Yeah, highlights and lowlights. I've got some awards I'm going to give out. Great.

Yeah. Straight up, best hair. Jamie Lannister, surely? In this season? Oh, uh, Daenerys, right? She's got the best hair. I think that's a wig. I've got pretty good wig, though.

I'm fairly certain that's a wig. No, but I mean the characters. I'm not... Okay. Yeah. I think I'm best hair. I think Stannis has the most... He does not have the best hair. I'm not saying best hair, butannis has the most appropriate. He does not have the best hair.

I'm not saying best hair, but he's got the most appropriate for his situation. Keep it short. No one's grabbing Stannis by the hair and flinging him around. Jon Snow with his beautiful locks. That's a dangerous game you're playing. I'm surprised that didn't lead to your downfall. Maybe it did.

Maybe people were like, His hair's so beautiful. Why do we have to live in the ditches and be in the night's watch when he's up shampooing his hair? Shampooing his hair's so beautiful yeah why do we have to live in the ditches and bloody be in the night's watch when he's up shampooing his hair shampooing his hair

exactly alright so I'm just drinking some water yeah great alright well why don't we start with the best season story arc

Jamie and Bron go to dawn for a really long time I was gonna say it was definitely that's very good you're very clever because that was

definitely the worst is that clever is it me just saying the opposite of a thing yeah okay we've based our entire podcast on just saying a thing and then saying that it's clever nobody's figured it out yet um it's i think it's a really good idea to send on a secret mission the most famous man yeah in in the land with a hand. With a gold hand, precisely. Yeah. Look, here's the thing. You know that I love a bit of swashbuckling derring-do

and a bit of a romp. Sure. You know I do. That's why I give a lot of credit to Star Trek Into Darkness because it starts out with a bit of a fun romp and then it falls into the toilet. But then I'm like, it's still pretty good because at the start they had all the fun. I remember the fun.p. Yeah. And then it falls into the toilet. But then I'm like, it's still pretty good because at the start they had all the fun.

I remember the fun. But I, yeah, I. That could have been a lot more fun than what it is. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's because you team up those two characters and they're very interesting. Yeah.

On their, like on their previous adventures that they had, because they're like, they team up with all sorts of people. Yeah. He was with Gwendolyn Christie's character. Yep. What's her name? Brianne. Brianne. Real name. Oh, it's a oh it's a brienne yeah she's doomed um jamie's a real name also anyway and bron was he's ruined his hair yeah that's true and bron was with tyrian yep and

that those storylines are great yeah but bringing those two together they just didn't really do well that it's not even that it's also like I said, I want it to be kind of a fun swashbuckling. Because, you know, like Oberyn Martell is kind of like an Antonio Banderas kind of. Boy, is he. But then we end up in Dawn and everybody's like a spicy Latina stereotype. Yeah. Aren't the Sand Snakes not good? They're very, they're, yeah.

That was the worst fight. Yeah. You know that weird courtyard fight? It's Xena Warrior Princess. That's exactly what it was. It's an episode of Xena Warrior Princess. It felt so out of place. Yeah.

And, well, see, it's weird because Dawn is like, because you want to like that place because it's like, because you know how, like, in every other realm in the land, if you're like a bastard child, you're like cast out. Exactly. Whatever. In Dorne... If you're gay or a woman or your hair's too beautiful. But then in Dorne, it's more kind of...

Whatever. Yeah, everybody's cool with everybody else and the king is sending one of his bastard children to represent him in other lands or whatever because everybody's equal. So you want to like that place, but then it's all just weird stereotypes and... Yeah, that's it.

Look, we shouldn't stay on Dawn for too long. Okay, because it's garbage. Because it's garbage. But I did like how it ended with Jamie finding out that she knew that Marcella knew that he was her father. Yes. And they had that moment. And then immediately I'm like, oh, no.

She's doomed. So I liked that. I wouldn't say that that made up for 10 episodes of that. But that moment was interesting. Right, right. I should point out as well, not having read the books, Jamie and Bron don't go to dawn. It's like some other time.

It's still another, yeah, I was informed of that. Did you get that in your breakdown summary? Yeah, it was longer than I think the 10 episodes. Did somebody unroll like a big papaya, papayas, what is it? Papayas. A papaya. Yeah. A piece of fruit. Somebodyroll like a big papaya papayas papayas what is it? Papayas a papaya yeah a piece of fruit.

Somebody unrolled a big papaya. Which is the fruit? Papaya. And what's the rice thing the rice dish? Paella. There we go.

Yeah. You're good at this. Wow. You would not last as a weird Spanish stereotype in the land of dawn let me tell you.

Yeah. I don't know i was speaking of gratuitous nudity before there's there was fewer scenes of gratuitous nudity okay and i think that makes it harder to keep track of things i was talking no here's a term that i that i learned as i was i was looking into this yeah people call it sexposition. Okay. Because in like all the previous seasons. Little finger will be revealing a plan. Yes, and there's just naked women all over the place. And people are like, oh, well, I was going to leave the room to want to go to the bathroom or whatever.

But there's naked women. So I guess I'll listen and I'll get it by osmosis. But in this one, there's been fewer times of that and I think there was a lot of me going, I wonder what's happening on Facebook right now. So this is one of the few shows where I shut everything off. Oh, wow. And I don't.

I think this is probably the only show. Right, right. Actually, maybe Silicon Valley, which I love a lot as well, which is on after. Yeah, yeah. Do you feel like with this season, they kind of had to keep the train of horrific stuff going? Yes.

Yeah. I think there's a – you set a precedent and you've got to keep up. You've got to keep it up. Yeah. I feel strongly like – again, people were telling me that book-wise there's a bit – because, you know, the War of the Five Kings? Sure. Armies?

Whatever it is. Lands? I don't know what it is. A bunch of people yeah but they're like okay all the horrible stuff happens the red wedding happens and all that sort of stuff and then in the books there's like a period of downtime yeah like it's kind of the hangover after the horrible nightmarish party yeah but in this they're like there's a lot of head in hands jesus yeah exactly yeah what did i buy whatever gods we believe in somebody get me a kebab

um but yeah but i guess they were like well we can't have we can't have just daenerys Exactly, yeah. By whatever gods we believe in. Somebody get me a kebab. But yeah, but I guess they were like, well, we can't have just Daenerys trying to run her country and it's going okay, but it's not going quite okay. And we just dwell on that for a while. We're going to have just mayhem. I'm fairly certain there was some Sons of the Harpies stuff in the book. But the timeline's all jumbled up as well compared to what happens. Also, it's not entirely up to date, but most of the book stuff it's all the timelines all jumbled up as well yeah like compared to what happens also it's not entirely up to date but most of the book stuff is done yeah we're off book now

yeah we're off book so which i love yeah do we know if the producers of the show yeah they know they know what's happening yeah yeah so they can so it's not gonna it's not gonna be one of those ones that goes off in a weird there will be will be deep deviations because in the books, there's people that are alive that are dead. Stannis is still alive. And I think the Battle of Winterfell hasn't happened in the books. What's his name? The dude with the beard who hangs out with Daenerys.

One of the five men who do that. The old guy. No. It was the Kingsguard guy. He got stabbed by the Sons of the Harpy at the start. Yes. He's got a beard. Barristan Selmy.

Okay. He's alive in the books. Yeah. There's a bunch of people. There's a bunch of things that haven't happened yet or have. Right. But yeah. Anyway, Dawn wasn't very good, but it will lead to some kind of all-out war or some kind

of political intrigue. Oh, yes. So that will be interesting. I think Marcella in the books as well doesn't die. I think she gets her ear taken off or something. Right, okay, sure. So, and I don't think we saw her. No, no, she gets away scot-free

because so many characters just get away with it. They're fine. Exactly. Yeah. But so I think she, so I don't, there's a lot of, you know, the final episode, a lot of people we presumed to have died we didn't see an on-screen death right or two in particular and she was one of them i don't think we saw her actually die okay yeah but there was that prophecy for cersei that all her

children will die that was at the start of the season so you know what do you have next on the list sansa in winterfell okay sure yeah horrend, yeah. It's pretty horrendous, right? Yeah. That was the moment. Was it episode eight or nine? It's one of those. Seven, where she's raped? Yes. Yeah, I think it's seven. Yeah, because I remember at that point I hadn't caught up.

I hadn't watched any of the episodes. One, I think I'd watched one or two or something like that. And then somebody just retweeted into my Twitter feed just 50 people in a row just going i am done with game of thrones i'm done and that's totally fair i think yeah yeah like i think i think the idea behind a lot of the stuff that happens especially in the books is that george rr martin wants to show the worst things that happen in war yeah like the depths that people sink to. Yeah, a lot of these things historically, like a lot of these things are based on historical events as well

and the way that people were treated in the medieval era and whatever. Right. Why do you think it was that moment that kind of pushed people over the edge, considering there has been rape and murder and all sorts of stuff? Why that? I don't know. Straw that broke. You know, I would say straw the Broke the Camel's Back.

But I think that what, because especially what I was expecting is that I kind of thought that Sansa would sort of become a Littlefinger Junior. Yeah, yeah. And like this season would be her growing in. Revenge! Yeah, and then some sweet revenge.

We didn't get any sweet revenge. I think they may be leading in season six. She might then some sweet revenge we didn't get any sweet revenge yeah i think they may be leading in season six you might get some sweet revenge or she'll be horribly maimed and killed sure either way because yeah because life isn't fair not really but it's not this unfair yeah exactly yeah so i think it was i feel to me it was a case of you see her character grow and she's becoming this character with this sort of internal sense of power or what have you. And then she's back to being a victim again. So she's season one, season two Sansa.

And people are like, oh, well, this is... I think people had a lot invested in her and now she's back as... Well, also in the in the books and again i haven't read this yes that girl is not sansa doesn't marry what's his name bolton ramsay bolton it's can we do a straw poll who's the worst person on this show ramsay bolton yes ramsay bolton okay cool we're in agreement he's the worst what if joffrey was alive it's probably still because joffrey's a simpleton. Yeah, and his replacement also a simpleton.

Yeah, but Ramsay Bolton is a psychopath and he's very intelligent and cunning and malicious. Yeah. What's his name? The other one just was kind of, you could get around him. Yeah. Because he was kind of dim. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this guy, not as much.

Do you think he's being set up as the the antagonist for the rest of the the show's run i think he's due for a comeuppance okay right yeah you don't think he's gonna lie do you think he would last two seasons i'd be very surprised if he should last the next season yeah okay uh but you know but yeah in the book so he senses somewhere else or something i can't remember but they get a girl who's not aria stark and say that it is and marry to marry him or something and that's how they kind of keep order in the north because they're like oh we've got a stark yeah but they they don't so maybe that's the story they're going to do now where they're going to have to find a different person to be like this is

sansa stark you know even though she's she's over the wall she's out of there with reek right right he's just a real pile of garbage. He's a real pile of garbage at this point. Oh, boy. I just want him to be put down. Yeah. I don't like seeing him. Yeah.

Get him out of here, man. Yeah. But, yeah. Anyway. Yeah. Do you want to go Daenerys? Well, actually, I was going to say, do you have one for, if we go pre-Denerys? Yeah.

Because we were talking about how in the Dawn storyline we had the worst team-up. Yeah. My vote for best team-up, if I'm given an award for best team-up, is Tyrion and Jorah going to... Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. I believe. Yeah, that's good.

I like those two. That's some solid work. I like those two together. And now they're, oh, they're not back together, are they? The season ended with a bit of a split. Yeah, they were split. And one's got the bloody the stone touch

yeah oh the greyscale yeah he's doomed yeah he's done but greyscale can I think it's not really clear on how long that takes

no and if you survive it you can never get it again right oh okay well yeah because Shireen had it yeah

but then she was yeah you're scarred up forever but you can't if you survive it you can't get it again. Yeah, sweet. But no, I thought that was fun. Like the scene where Jorah kidnaps him and he wakes him up on the boat or whatever.

And then he's just trying to... You know, Tyrion cleverly determines who he is and determines his motives. And, oh, you've been banished from the kingdom and blah, blah, blah. And you think they're going to have some sort of an understanding but then he just clocks him yeah but then eventually they sort of they they you know he trusts tyrian enough to leave him untied or whatever yeah and they kind of have there's some banter and they explain their lives to each other yeah yeah that was good you're right good fun i like that that's a solid team up i hope they team up again somehow i'm gonna say something controversial i'm ready peter dinklage's english accent isn't very good

he's good he's great yeah but it's a bit i would also um say you kind of forgive it like you don't notice it but somebody pointed out to me i say he's also in contest for best hair yep it looks real yeah it looks real and he's kind of you know it's a man who's been on a boat a long time he's had some he's had some sea air yeah what, it's a man who's been on a boat a long time. He's had some sea air. You know what I mean? It's a man who's been on a boat here. Yeah, precisely.

So you're okay with his accent? Yeah, it's fine. Okay, fair enough. Besides what universe is this? They're not in England. Yeah, you're right, but everybody else is. Yes, everybody else is in England. That's fair.

Yeah. But I, no, look, he's not, again, he's not bad, but he's clearly American and everybody else is British. Sure. Like, not everybody, but you know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Daenerys. So yeah, those storylines intersect, don't they, with Tyrion?

They do, yeah. There's some Sons of the Harpy stuff. Yeah. Which is fine. Then it's kind of. She has to reopen the fighting pits. Yeah. Just reopen the fighting pits already.

Yeah, come on. It's what we want. We want bread and circuses. Did you enjoy the chained up dragons under the thing? There was not enough dragons for my liking. Well, dragons are very expensive, both to buy and keep as a pet. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

Sorry to CGI. To CGI. As I was saying earlier, there's the scene where she gets on Drogon and she flies away. So you didn't think that looked good? It's not a convincing effect. I was okay with it. I was like earlier, there's the scene where she gets on Drogon and she flies away. So you didn't think that looked good? It's not a convincing effect in my opinion. I was okay with it. I was like, this is TV. I feel that, yeah, I guess so.

That's also the reason I think they've stopped putting the dire wolves in for the most part. Because it's like a compositing thing. Because you need Daenerys and you need the computer generated dragon. And you also need, oh, you get a regular wolf yeah and you you big it up you big it up oh i guess you shrink the people down yeah and you composite together and it doesn't look convincing no like it's always like a weird still angle yeah and i think and i think that's why they're like let's just say the dire wolves are somewhere else yeah right now fair enough um you do see him at one point there's one he saves

what's his name the dude who reads all the books on the wall and he left with Gilly Sam Sam oh he's dead his name's Sam

yeah no but it's Samwell alright Samwell's a real name Samwell yeah he's dead Sam O'Tarly Sam O'Ganji

he's too gentle a soul Sam O'Ganji yeah Lord of the Rings he's too gentle a soul he's dead he's bloody dead yeah yeah. The bloody Lord of the Rings. He's too gentle a soul. He's dead. He's bloody dead, mate. Yeah.

I think his family's going to be in it next season as well. Oh, then he's definitely dead. They're monsters. You develop a family. No, no, because he's from a noble house, and his father never always hated him, thought he was a nerd. Oh, that's right, yeah.

He kicked him out when he had a new son. Yeah, yeah. And then they might meet up again, so that's going to be very interesting. All right, Daenerys. I like the dragon stuff, son. Yeah, yeah. And then they might meet up again. So that's going to be very interesting. All right, Daenerys. I like the dragon stuff, man. Yeah, okay. I think that dragon stuff is solid.

I liked the bit where the dragon bloody landed and took out all those dudes. Okay, that's pretty good. That was great. Yeah, that was solid, yeah. Took a bunch of bloody spears to the back. Yeah. Also, and...

They're going to be bigger next season. Yeah. They're going to be 120 feet wide, apparently. Well, that's what they said, because all this... Like, this this season they'd have just a big kind of green foam fake head that they'd pat. Oh, sure, yeah. And now it's going to be like the things they interact with. They're just going to repaint like an RV, like an old caravan.

Just airbrush a dragon on the side. But the things that they're going to be interactive with are going to be like a finger of a dragon, you know, that's like enormous. So that's what they said. Just a big stick. Yeah. Well, then they won't have any compositing issues because they'll just wheel it a big finger on a stick.

Also, apparently this is in the books also. There we go. That you see Daenerys after she flies the dragon away. Yeah. Her hands are burnt. You know how she's immune to fire? Yeah. Yeah.

Apparently that was a one-time thing. My brother was telling me this. Okay. So when she birthed the dragon. Yeah. That was a one-off. That was a one-off. Okay.

Right. So I don't know whether that's true. Yeah. Okay. My brother says it's true. He's a good enough guy. Why? Which brother?

The one that you like. Oh. I trust him so yeah that's interesting he doesn't strike me as a game of thrones reader he loves it man yeah all right yeah uh what was i gonna say yeah denarius stuff is solid i think she had more to do this season than she has in like the last kind of two kind of season last season she did a lot are we gonna see season two she tread water because i remember last season she did a lot. Are we going to see... Season two, she tread water because I don't think she was in that book.

Oh, I see, right. Yeah, anyway, go on. Are we going to see any more dragons from any other... I don't think so. I want to see some opposing dragons. Maybe a dragon will go aside with somebody else because there's all sorts of theories about secret Targaryens and all sorts of shit.

Right, because I guess only... Can only the Targaryens... I don't believe so. Apparently there was a whole kind of city of them and each kind of family had dragons. That's right. And then only the Targaryen, one of the Targaryens had a prophecy and was like, this city is going to be destroyed. So they left.

Right. And then a volcano destroyed it. Okay. That's my brother told me. I don't know whether that's true. Yeah. It's the one that you trust though. Okay.

Right. And then, so they're the only ones with dragons. Okay. Sure.. I don't know whether it's true. It's the one that you trust, though. Okay, great. And then so they're the only ones with dragons. Okay, sure. But I don't know. Hang on, so a volcano destroyed dragons that are immune to fire. I don't know, man. I'm beginning to trust your brother less and less. And I trusted him barely at the outset, mate.

It's an explosion. If there's an explosion, you know, I'm immune to air. But if I get an air explosion, then I'll die, right? Like an air cannon? Sure, like a T-shirt cannon. You get shot with a T-shirt cannon. Yeah. So, yeah, dragon stuff, it gets better every season, I think,

and we get more dragons every season. I want a mid-air dragon fight. All right, we'll get it, won't we? Yeah. You know what's a good dragon movie? Dragon Heart? Yes. Reign of Fire.

Reign of Fire's pretty good. It's a good, yeah, it's a good movie. I think, I feel like there should be more with Daenerys, but- Nah, that's it. It's all pretty good. Cersei and the Faith of the Seven. Okay, sure, yeah. That's some business there, isn't it?

A little messed up. So basically, she sets up this kind of faith militant group to rid the city of her enemies. Yes. And unbeknownst to her, because she's also not as intelligent as she believes she is. Yes. I think Tyrion even pointed that out to her.

All her advisors are sort of gone in various capacities because she's... Shipped them off. Yeah, she shipped them off. I think Tyrion even said that to her. Yeah. Like, you're not as smart as you think you are. Yeah, and she's sort of treading water and kind of...

Yeah, people... Yeah. So basically she set them up and that got rid of Loras and Queen Margaery and whatever and kind of got her son kind of back under her control, but only to have the whole thing blow up in her face. Yes. Because Lancel bloody Lannister sold her out.

He's a real piece of shit, that bloke. Oh, yeah. Which means she got captured and a woman hit her with a spoon. Yep, well, that happened. Sure, yeah. And then she had to confess to the sins. The incest. Yeah, to one of them anyway. Oh, that's right, yeah. Because she didn't admit to the Jaime thing. Because that would have meant that the king confess to the sins. The incest. Yeah. To one of them anyway.

She didn't admit to the Jamie thing. Because that would have meant that the king wasn't the king. Like, that would have been the whole thing. And I think for like five minutes, people were on board with Cersei, you know, as a character. Sure, yeah. She was forced to do that naked walk. The walk of shame. Did you know that that was CGI?

Like they CGI'd her head on someone else? No. Yeah. That's quite good. That scene is quite brutal. It's really brutal. Somebody did point out, though, that it's interesting that by the end her feet are all bloody. Yeah.

Even though they're like paved streets. I guess there's glass. I guess probably, yeah. Copper pots. Maybe she stepped on. Sorry, ceramic pots. Probably stepped on some ceramic pots. There's probably a deleted scene where she went to the back of a butcher yeah and he made her tenderize some raw meat for their face that

would explain it yeah i don't know well i mean i'd imagine a lot of people in that city walk around barefoot but i guess she also she's the queen she's the queen she's not used to it she's used to feather-filled socklets yes exactly exactly so then at the end she's rest did you have a no i was just was just going to say, so a lot of people are like, I hate Cersei, but I hate the woman with the bell more. What I don't understand is, everything up to that point where Tobin goes to the gates

and he's like, can I speak to the High Septim? And they're like, no. And he's like, okay. If I was me, I'd be like, kill every one of these guys. Sure. I'm the king. But I'm a simple man he's simple he is simple but you can't stand for that true like and look i'm not for killing people but this is game of thrones yeah i guess so yeah the one thing that i've pointed out and i had a conversation

with my game of thrones book friend about this and I'm like, at the end, she's... My brother. No, a different one. I've got two. That she's carried away by the Mountain, who was dead. But we don't see him die. Well... But it's heavily implied that he's... He's clearly some kind of reanimated zombie man. Yeah, I feel that the creepy surgeon character...

I like him. Yeah, of course you do. He's the Billy Crystal magic man of Game of Thrones because he's taken someone who's not dead, just mostly dead, and brought him back to life. A little bit different. A little bit different. And, you know, he said, oh, the mountain's taken a vow of silence.

Yeah, he can't talk. Yeah, I reckon his mouth's melded together or something. Or he's dead. Oh, he's almost certainly, yeah. He's just a dead man in a suit of armour. Yeah, that's probably. Yeah. So that was some scary stuff.

Yeah, yeah. That's some like childhood fear kind of Darth Vader shit when you see that guy. You know what I mean? Exactly. Like that's a man who, that's a man who when he was alive could cut a horse's head off with one strike.

Imagine what he can do now. Yeah. I don't like him. I don't care for him. He's bad news. He's, he's in, he's in competition with, he would have been in competition with Ramsey Bolton, his worst guy, except now he's dead. So he's more of a puppet now.

How did you react when you saw him squash that dude's head last season? Oh yeah. God. Like I don't flee shit TV, like, ever. But that was like... Yeah. Bloody hell, man. All right.

He's not averse to crushing an unarmed man who's half his size. Yep. I appreciate it. Arya and the Faceless Men. All that bizzo. I'm a bit vague on the whole thing. Yeah, sure. I think I tuned out a little.

So, yeah, she's basically trained to be a faceless person, which means that she becomes men all that all that bizzo i'm a bit vague on the whole thing i think i tuned out a little so yeah she's basically trying to be a faceless person which means that she becomes no one she's just an assassin she worships the the many-faced gods which you i'm guessing i'm assuming their many-faced god is they're just like every god is the same person they're just with a different facet different facet she can put on someone else's dead face pretty convincingly. Yep. With a mixture of kind of magic and practical effects, I'm assuming. Yep.

And she killed that child molester. Good. And then went blind. They really had to be like, oh no, do you remember this guy? He's a really bad dude. Just in case you've forgotten, he's molesting children. Yeah. So.

Yeah. God, she stabbed that dude like a lot. Any comments? Well, you know, never let a good deed go unpunished. Why not blind her? Sure. You know? Yeah.

And then there was a weird kind of face-off. Yeah. Where she was pulling lots of faces off. I don't think that guy was wearing lots of different faces. I think there was some kind of sorcery. Right. You don't think it was a Mission Impossible scenario? I don't think so. Mask upon mask.

That's the real Mission Impossible there was too many do you know what I mean yeah it's impossible nothing else to say about that great

it was fine looking to see where it goes she's gonna get some sweet revenge I can't imagine her completely abandoning

Arya Stark as her persona I think she's gonna learn some skills and be like I'm gonna bug her off now right right but you don't think

she's gonna fall into that I don't think so. Not in entirety. I mean, who knows? But I don't know. We'll see, won't we? It'd be odd, yeah. What's going on there anyway?

There's too many plot lines. There's too many bloody threads, all right? All right, we've got a couple more. Okay. Stannis. Yep. Four seasons of, I don't know, that was a job you were talking about. Stannis, they, as soon as they were like, you guys like Stannis now,

because he had that nice moment with his daughter. Oh, sure. I saw an Instagram picture of just him holding a mug and just said, number one, dad. Which he has to give back now, I assume. Well, obviously, yeah. So basically, he was going to attack Winterfell. Yep.

He took his sellswords and his army and he saved Jon Snow. Yes. And he said, Jon Snow, I can make you a Stark. I'm going to make you a star. Yeah. He's going to make you a star.

I'm a Simon Cowell of the Game of Thrones universe. He turned around in his chair. He was like, oh, I heard your beautiful singing voice, Jon Snow. So yeah, a lot of people came around to status. Yeah. Including, including me. Cause I was, I never really, I didn't hate him. I was like, he Snow. So, yeah, a lot of people came around to status.

Yeah, yeah. I think including me. Because I never really, I didn't hate him. I was like, he seems like a guy. Yeah, exactly. He's very different than his brother. Right. Yeah.

Not as fat, for one. Definitely. Yeah, then he kills his own daughter to get, to win the battle. Sorry, he only burned her to death. Yeah, I forgot. Yeah, I guess that's okay. Yeah. He probably shouldn't have done that.

No. And he didn't get the sweet reward, I forgot. Yeah, I guess that's okay. Yeah. He probably shouldn't have done that. No. And he didn't get the sweet reward, which I think will tie into something that happens later. Yes. Oh, we didn't really talk about Brienne either, who stood there staring at a castle for ten months. I'm sure, yeah. Maybe it was a few weeks.

Yeah. And then she turned away like 20 seconds before that candle was lit. And that kind of ties into Stannis' story. So do you think Stannis got his comeuppance? Would you rather have seen him kill the Boltons? Who's the worst guy? I mean, it's clearly Ramsay Bolton. Yeah, it's definitely Ramsay Bolton.

I don't think anything we say after this point will change my mind that Ramsay Bolton isn't the worst. I don't know. I don't know uh i don't know it's interesting that all that melisandre stuff was total horseshit yeah like she was like you were as the chosen you're azorahide this will follow up this will tie into what i assume you you're going for next yeah exactly yeah yeah i i think and this ties in i think the reason that she saw those visions and whatever of Stannis doing this and leading that, I think that was all to lead her to Jon Snow. Right. Okay.

Yeah. I think that's the purpose for that. Because after he kind of goes past the wall. Yeah. Yeah. It all goes to shit. Sure. Everything just goes from bad to worse.

Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, do you want to talk about Jon Snow? So Jon Snow. Yeah. Four seasons of being boring, did you say? Yes to worse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, do you want to talk about Jon Snow? So Jon Snow. Yeah. Four seasons of being boring, did you say? Yes, precisely. Yeah.

Fine. I've forgotten that people didn't really like Jon Snow until this season. Because he has a really strong season. This season? This season, yeah. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Yeah. Actually, he had a lot of good stuff in last season.

Like he defended the wall and all that kind of stuff and whatevs. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, he had a lot of good stuff in last season. Like he defended the wall and all that kind of stuff and whatevs. Yeah. But the White Walker attack. Battle. The hard home. Yeah. Yeah. That's so good.

That's some good stuff, right? Yeah. That's the highlight of the season. That's where all the budget went, surely. Yeah, sure. Yeah. The giant. Yeah.

See, that's some good compositing. That also, there's a lot of that's also perspective. Yeah. If you go back, I could point some out to you, Mason. Oh, thank you. But I won't do it. No, don't do it. Yeah, but I thought good compositing. That also, there's a lot of that's also perspective. Yeah. If you go back, I could point, I could point some out to you, Mason, but I won't do it. No,

don't do it. Yeah. But I thought his whole story arc was interesting. He, you know, he became the head of the Night's Watch and, you know, he made some decisions which clearly blew up in his face.

And you know what? I was naive to think that he wouldn't die. Sure. Because it's the Game of Thrones universe. So you, you do something good. Yeah, you get punished for it. You make a reasonable decision. Yep, you get punished for it.

George R. R. Martin is writing it, so he writes a character, you get invested in the character, he kills that character. You scramble around for somebody else you can like. You can like. Desperately to like. Maybe that's why he became so popular. Really focus on his good points and then bang. Exactly.

Or stab in this case. Do you think that's why Jon Snow got less boring? Because he was a default? Yeah, because people were clinging to him. Like, oh, he's not the worst. He's not a multiple rapist dismemberer of people. Yeah, so he lets the free folk south of the wall, I guess. Yeah, but should we go back to that battle, I guess? Oh, yeah, okay, sure.

Because that's amazing, right? Yeah, okay, yeah. And you know what? It's not in the books as well. Oh, I see. In the books, it's like something bad happens there and you don't really know. But in this, nobody knew it was coming. Right.

Book readers and non-book readers alike. And it just't really know. But in this, nobody knew it was coming. Book readers and non-book readers alike. And it just builds. It just keeps escalating. It's an incredible... And in any other show like this, or any movie like this, there would be a turn, or there'd be reinforcements, or the good guys would rally, or they'd discover a weakness. Somebody would notice a weakness. Like they'd go for the dragonglass and they'd discover a weakness. Somebody would notice a weakness.

Like they'd go for the dragonglass and they'd get it. Yeah, yeah. It turns the tide. Yeah, exactly. But they'd go for it and he just gets thumped. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. When that white walker walks through the fire as well.

Yeah, yeah. Like that was like a holy shit moment. Yeah. And it takes out that dude. Yeah. Like it breaks his sword with one blow and then yeah old stabsy old stabsy yeah and that that that fight with him and john snow is amazing where he's just just getting knocked around yeah and then by i guess almost pure luck

he's you know his sword is impervious valerian still isian still is impervious to their weapons. Yes, exactly, yeah. Yeah, and he takes them out. That was pretty sweet. That was good, yeah. Great fight. Yeah, it felt a bit... What was that really old movie with the stop-motion skeletons?

Oh, Ray Harryhausen. Yes. That was intentional. Oh, there we go. Yeah, that was... But they looked a tiny little bit stop-motion, but deliberately so. A lot of the whites and the skeletons and the zombies and all that.

And they had different kind of, like some were partially CGI and some were clearly just freshly dead people. There was a kind of a good mix. And what do you think of the Night's King, that Darth Maul looking dude? The blue Darth Maul. Yeah, what is he? Is he some sort of high priest? There's a few theories.

Some people think he's Benjen Stark. I don't think he is. Who's the missing Stark brother, Ned Stark's missing brother. Okay. And he's a White Walk. Yeah. Some people say he was the leader of the Night's Watch who married a White Walker. But some people also think that it's a title that's passed down.

Okay. So I'm sure there's more better theories and an actual real... But some people also think that it's a title that's passed down. So I'm sure there's more better theories and an actual real reason for it. There was a clear explanation that we missed somehow. Like a white walker sits somebody down and explains the whole plot to them. But I'm fairly certain that it's not really explained in the books as of yet. Because the white walkers can transform humans into some version of themselves. Because a lot of those people, those white walkers, are crassed as kids. Yeah, okay.

That weird kind of marry his daughter's lunatic. Yeah, yeah. Because he's given the babies away. He's like, have a baby. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Free of charge. Free baby. Okay.

So, yeah, and what I thought was interesting, he takes an interest in Jon Snow. Yeah, yeah yeah you see him look at him a few times like that dude something right okay which makes me think again

and this is all over the internet I don't think he's dead okay I mean he's probably he's dead he's currently dead he's coming back

right okay what do you think well so Azor Ahai is the saviour of it's the prophecy that the person will do the best thing or something.

Okay, right, right. I don't know what it is exactly. Yeah, so... My brother explained it to me. I forgot. Hang on. I wrote it down. Before we get to that, though, while you're looking at that, his death, I feel like I

just walked right into that. Because it starts the episode with... Its recap is Benjen Stark. Do you remember Benjen Stark? And I was like, oh my God, Benjen Stark's going to be in this episode. Yeah, great. Because everyone's like, where's Benjen Stark. Do you remember Benjen Stark? And I was like, oh my God, Benjen Stark's going to be in this episode. Yeah, great.

Because everyone's like, where's Benjen Stark? Yeah. And there's a rumor that he's this dude called Coldhands from the book and a bunch of other people who haven't been in it.

And then it's like, your uncle's here. We're going to fight. We know, we think we might know who he is. Right. I get excited. Jon Snow gets excited.

He runs down. There's a cross that says traitor or whatever. And then I'm just like, oh, yeah, I should excited. Jon Snow gets excited. He runs down. There's a cross that says traitor or whatever. And then I'm just like, oh, yeah, I should have. That's my fault. Okay. So the train of events is Jon Snow's dead, but Melisandre is there. Correct.

And she follows the Lord of Light, Azor Ahai. He's a pretty sweet bloke, apparently. Yeah, sweet bloke. And we know from like season three. Yeah. There's another red priest. Thor from like season three? Two or three. Yeah, there's another Red Priest. Thoros. Yep.

I wrote that down. And he continually resurrected one of his friends. Yeah, like eight times. Like eight times. Right, yeah, exactly. But not only that, you see him do it. Yeah. So it's not something he just says. That he did.

Like you watch him do it. And that's the only time of Game of Thrones we've seen someone come back from the dead. Right. That's not the mountain, I guess. It's not the mountain, yeah. It's not like a wind. But what's living, really? Yeah, well, it's...

If you're a wind zombie man with presumably no mouth. Or maybe, like, the guy's cut his tongue off and replaced it with a live snake. That's why he can't talk. Right? Maybe the snake can talk. Yeah. So, yeah, basically... So, the theory is, and this is all over one of there's like

one of many theories there's another theory that apparently in the books you know how people can into into like it's warg warg they can warg into animals yeah that john snow john snow has ghosts the direwolf yeah that he's warged into it yeah and they're well apparently in the book this is this i enjoy is the fact that nobody knows yeah exactly the books aren't out yeah there's no smug book readers out there going well i i happen to know yeah i've read a book um yes apparently all this isn't a spoiler i guess all the starks are wargs and they don't know it oh okay right yeah but also there's like how long can you live in an animal for yeah exactly brand's. Because Bran's doing it. And remember last season, it wasn't in the season at all, thank Christ.

Right. But he's just hanging out with that weird tree man or whatever. But Bran was doing it more and more. And that dude, the kid from, the blonde kid from Love Actually is like, stop doing that because you'll lose yourself in there. So I guess you can go in there forever. You'll like yourself crazy. Yeah, but I guess so, but you can't.

Yeah, but if Jon Snow is actually dead, he can't come. First of all, his dire wolf was nowhere near him. Yeah. So that's probably not the case. That's just the theory. But even if he did, if your body's dead, I don't think you can come back to anything else. What do you come back to?

You can't. Exactly. Maybe a pile of snow. Maybe a yeah exactly in the shape of john snow maybe you could come back like in a snowman like that oh it's that michael keaton movie where he's a snowman jack frost yeah michael keaton the snowman i think it's jack frost the murderer one it's called it's called michael keaton the actor is killed and and resurrected as a snowman it's terrifying that's the title of the movie. Not a comedy.

Right. So Melisandre thought that Stannis was the... The Zorahide. Right. But then he's dead-ish, probably. Yeah. He's definitely dead, right? He's not that guy who she thinks he is, clearly.

Yeah. And she happens to come back to the wall and Jon Snow happens to get stabbed in the heart by Olly, who's the second worst character behind Ramsay Bolton. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And she happens to come back to the wall and Jon Snow happens to get stabbed in the heart by Olly, who's the second worst character behind Ramsay Bolton. That's right. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, the hero was... Back in the day, he stopped the Long Night

and he's come back and saved the world. Yeah. Wasn't Stannis. Okay. Oh, yeah, the sword thing. What about it? Oh, in the ancient... Yeah, okay this i didn't write this i wrote this is from an article i read um the legend of lightbringer which was azor ahai's sword yeah is that in the ancient books is written that the war will draw a burning sword from the fire

okay great okay right so the blade snow used on the the White Walker at Hardhome was pulled from a fire. I've written that down. Oh, was it? Yeah. Let's cut this bit out. Anyway. No, let's leave it in. Okay.

That's solid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, also, I feel like Melisandre sacrificed Stannis' daughter. Yeah. But there was no reward for that. And apparently for life, there's death and death is life and it's got to balance out. So maybe that reward goes to Jon Snow. So for her sacrifice, he comes back.

Yeah. There's also a theory that the White Walkers could resurrect him and he'd become one of the Dem dudes. Yeah. Because it is a son of Fire and Ice. Here's the one of the remaining notes that I wrote about this. The prophecy says that the dragon has three heads. Yep.

So Azor Ahai might be three people. Ah. Right? And there's three dragons. Ah. So Jon Snow. Yep. Daenerys Targaryen.

Tyrion. Tyrion. Yeah. There you go. Well, there's a rumor that he's- Yeah, the saviour, all three of them. Well, there's rumors that, well, fan theories that all three of them are Targaryens. Ah.

That Tyrion- I can't keep track of this bloody patronage. What is he? Is he Stark or is he Targaryen? Is he made of snow? I can break it down for you. Is he an enchanted snowman? Okay, first of all, the Tyrion thing is his father always hated him.

And one of the last things he says to him is, you're no son of mine. And he also says, I can't prove that you're not my son. No, he said, oh, there's a crossbow bolt in my head. I'm on the can, man. I'm on the can. And that I couldn't- It's going to take me ages to pass this because it's a crossbow bolt.

And that he couldn't prove that his wife had an affair with a Targaryen. Right. And whatever. I forgot about all the affairs. Yes. I don't explain. Yeah, okay. And look, Jon Snow's official heritage in Game of Thrones, like legally, he's Ned Stark's bastard child.

Right. But the theory is that the Targaryen prince kidnapped Lyanna Stark, who's Ned Stark's sister. Yeah. But not so much kidnapped as they fell in love. Right. And they had a child, which is Jon Snow, which means he's half Targaryen, half Stark. Okay.

He would have been killed if everybody knew he was Targaryen because they were killing Targaryens like it was the bloody Jedi Holocaust that happened or whatever. So basically to cover that up, he basically took the blame. A man as honourable as Ned Stark wouldn't have an affair because he's that kind of guy, you know what I mean? A good man and therefore dead. Exactly.

There's secrets Targaryens all over the place. That's the rumour. Yeah, yeah. And I don't think it's anything else other than that. Right, okay. Got any other thoughts? No, that's about it. So do you think that the ability

to raise somebody from the dead is a bit of a game breaker it is unless there's the this is the kind of yeah it is yeah but it depends how it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't yeah but it depends how it's done yeah as well if they did it they'd have to make it very clear this is a once-off and this is because this that after except for maybe you can do it maybe seven or eight more times but i think that was done on purpose that long ago to establish that it can be done right yeah because if he was the only person who's come back yep and there's no precedent for it yeah people would not like not buy this exactly yeah they'd be like why did you kill off all my favorite characters leaving me with only john snow and then kill him and bring him back it makes no sense exactly yeah so i guess that's game of thrones we did it i enjoyed this we should definitely do this next year if you could be bothered keeping up with

fine i'll have to start to build one of those trying to discover the identity of my parents murder walls or it's just a whole bunch of newspaper clippings and bits of string and blog posts and Polaroids. It's pretty good stuff. Would you say it's one of the best shows on television? It's pretty good. I think it is. I think it's, if not the best. Look, I don't think this is the strongest season.

No. Seven episodes were pretty boring, not much happens. But the last three were pretty bloody, pretty chock-a-block, mate. Uh-huh. So I think maybe the lesson is wait until season six is over and then ask your friends which the best episodes were, like the best three, and just watch those. Absolutely.

Yeah. Great. Yep, great. You know what it's time for then, Mason? Oh, what we read and what Correct. What we're gonna read. Our famous segment with this theme song. I'm doin' a thing. What are we reading today?

What you readin'? I'm not prepared for this. That's all right. Do you want me to- I watched a lot of Game of Thrones. There you go. Okay, go ahead. Kieran B. wants to know what we think of Batman 41,

which is with the new Batman, who is Commissioner Gordon. You read that? No. It's pretty sweet. Spoiler alert. You see the guy in the armored suit? Yeah. What's that happened already?

It's well known. I don't know if that's a spoiler. Okay, right. It's revealed immediately in the comic. People knew it before. Okay, cool. It's different, but I liked it a lot. That's exciting.

Yeah. I mean, it's the first issue. Is he shooting people? He's not exactly, no. He's got some tech, but... Yeah, yeah. No, I like the way he's done it. He's like a 46-year-old Batman.

Also, he wears like a kind of an awesome Batman suit out of the suit. Oh, I see. Right, right. Like an internal... Yeah, do you want to say it? So, hang on. Where is real Batman?

Real Batman, apparently, spoiler alert, is dead. Hang on, is this a parallel universe or is this the main trim? No, this is the regular, regular universe, yeah. He apparently died in issue 40, but he's not because he's Batman. He always comes back. Everybody always comes back. Totally. Hang on, I just want to show you the sweet picture of,

I'll tell you what, I like comics ology, but this app is a pile of shit. Like it's such... It just... Like you swipe and it doesn't slide panels sometimes and other times it does. God damn it. Oh, this isn't what I'm going to read.

I should have put this in news. Yeah. This isn't coming out till September, but I'm fired up about it. So maybe I'll just wait, not read anything else until then. All right. We are aware of Batman 66. Yeah.

Which is the comic book version of the 1960s Batman TV series, the campy one. Yep. Guess who's making his debut? Yeah. Bane as a luchador. Very exciting. I'm fired up about that.

Absolutely. Ah, so good. Here we go. Here's Gordon in his... That's the kind of inside-y Batman. Oh, that looks great. It's a little Batman Beyond. Yeah, it's a bit Batman Beyond.

Yeah, nice. Very good. It's pretty sweet. It's clearly been working out. It's good. Good for him. Yeah, it's good. But in addition to that i've read uh action

comics 41 which is the new depowered superman oh yes which i actually really enjoyed as well they actually i feel like they're finally doing something good with new 52 what's not new 52 anymore but like with these new run of superman because i feel like everything up to this point has been pretty and also they've finally done Martian Manhunter number one. Yes. And it's great. Yeah, great. So I would recommend all those to people who like comics.

Yeah. Actually, something that I... I watched the first short last week, and then some other people... Of the new animated thingamajig? Gods and Monsters. Yeah. Just like Gods and Monsters. A lot of people on Twitter said, hey, watch the other ones, and I'm going to. They're good.

They're really good. They're really great. Which one did you watch? I watched the Batman one. Okay, you should watch the Superman one. I will. I think it's the best one.

I think I will. You did say you were going to watch the Batman one. Yeah, I'm going to watch all of them. Yeah. So for anybody who doesn't know, Bruce Timm, who created the Batman animated series and sort of by extension

the whole Batmaniverse, the DC animated universe. I think he wrote some of the Arkham games yeah he got yeah I bet it was Paul Dini oh maybe it was

yeah maybe I'm thinking of Paul Dini anyway the point is some guy from back in the day he's been given

the keys to some DC properties and he's done some sort of reimaginings of your classic

characters don't want to give anything away but it's yeah you've got a reimagining of Batman, reimagining of Superman that I'm not going to spoil and like a reimagining of Wonder Woman where she's a new God instead of an Amazonian. Yeah. And they're all, the first one's great and apparently the Superman was also great. Yeah.

So one can only presume that the Wonder Woman one is also great. Yeah, it's good. They're all great. Yeah. So one can only presume that the Wonder Woman one is also great. Yeah, it's good. They're all solid. Excellent. I don't often get excited for these animated movies because I think the DC ones are definitely better than the Marvel ones. Yep. But they're also a bit hit or miss.

So I'm looking forward to this. Great. Ian's written in. Yes. He says, hey, Nick and James. Oh, hi. Love your podcast and your YouTube videos are hilarious. Thank you.

Hopefully intentionally, he says. I hope so, too. podcast and your youtube videos are hilarious hopefully thank you hopefully intentionally he says i hope so too i wanted to recommend uh to you a science fiction movie called europa report it's incredibly underrated movie it's more straightforward science fiction movie uh like interstellar sorry it's more of a straightforward science fiction movie like interstellar uh-huh and you seem to like that kind of stuff so watch it or whatever the visual effects are really good for its small budget the acting feels genuine and it's got a great tone. There's a lot of real world science and has been praised for it being realistic.

But whatever you do, don't watch the trailer. The trailer is terrible. The movie is great. All right. Yeah, that sounds like something I definitely want to check out. Is that it for what we're reading?

I think so, yeah. Well, you've got a special treat for the letters this week, don't you? Oh boy, do I. So every week when I remember to do so, I ask the – because we don't have a theme to the letters section. No, because I refuse to edit it in. Because you refuse to edit it in.

Well, I've asked the listeners to send in a letters theme in a different style. With the promise that – Oh, that I'm going to – because you won't edit it in. I'm just gonna play it from my phone correct into the microphone and you can listen in so a couple of weeks ago i asked for a lettuce theme as uh in reggae correct so uh and that's been said sharath was that was the was the center so thank you sharath let's give it a whirl you can edit out this brief silence i refuse okay here we go

amazing it really fits the tone of this show boy does it laid back smoke smoking a big spleef great uh so yeah if you do want to set what you got a request for next week uh boy let me think mumford and son style folk okay yeah tweet mason if you've done it yeah if you set one along and i'll check it out we'll check it out. What happens if we get more than one? Do we play all of them in sequence? I refuse that. Well, who's got the phone and the microphone? I should never have given you the microphone. That's right.

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this is from Leone as a mum of two young kids I'm a parent who listens to the podcast and have to sing loudly over the butthole line with shooting with

with shooting all the footballs and presumably she's going to have to do that right now and then explain why she's doing that I was just

we've trapped you in a web of logic leonie how do you like that you are the architect of your own destruction um i was distracted this week while cooking dinner and forgot to sing over the words my five-year-old asked what a butthole was a butthole is we're british and don't say but i told him i told him it's a flower you wear in your jacket for weddings and it's pronounced buttonhole, darling. Very good. Very good word. Thinking on your feet.

I'm counting that as a parenting win. Keep up the good work, Leonie from Liverpool. Great work, Leonie. That is incredible work, yeah. We have intelligent listeners. Someone's done some improv courses. Correct. Yes, and.

Yes, and. Okay. I'm going to ask you something about improv after. Someone you know that you told me a story once and I wanted to... We'll come back to it. Okay. Me and you

yeah absolutely remind me it seems libelous from what you can tell so this is from Jacob hey Jacob hey guys

thanks for thank you for being the reason I get nothing done at work it's not on us is it no that's your work ethic mate I do go into his office and just sweep everything off the desk

absolutely yeah maybe that's what maybe that's what he's referring to. I'm a huge fan of both the Sherlock Holmes movies and the Sherlock Holmes television series. So I wanted to know who do you think is a better Sherlock, RDJ or Benedict Cumberbatch? Also, can I be the official Thomas Wayne of the podcast? Thanks for the great laughs and keep up the great work.

Yes. Incidentally, because you talked about Thomas Wayne at the podcast, granted, obviously, but I was about Thomas Wayne at the podcast. Yeah. Granted, obviously. But I was walking down the street the other day and I saw a mum and a dad and a little kid and he was wearing a hoodie with a Batman logo on it and it said Batman in training. And I'm like, ooh, you're going to miss those guys. Oh, boy.

Didn't think that one through, parents. Did you ever consider that that was your moment? You should have killed his parents. I should have killed his parents. Next, I should have killed his parents. Next time. Yeah, next time, I guess, yeah. What if it was Superman in training? Does that mean this planet's going to explode

and he's going to jettison somewhere else? Yeah, that's exactly what it means. God, I hope I never say that. Okay, so who is the best? Yeah, RDJ or Benedict Cumberbatch. I think it's clear that the Cumberbatch is a better Sherlock, a better adaptation of the mythology. Would you agree with that?

Some would disagree. Some would say the Moriarty characterisation is way off. I would agree with that, but I enjoy it nonetheless. I think it's much better. Have you seen the Sherlock movies? I've seen the first one. In the second one, he has a weird mind fight with Moriarty where they imagine...

Oh, so they go through all the possibilities. Right, okay, yeah. So does that count as a win or a loss? Do they actually fist fight at the end? No, he just flings him off a waterfall. The Rhinebeck Falls. Oh, the classic. The classic ending, right.

Well, that works in the context of the... Because in the first movie, he goes through lots of possibilities in his head, right? Before he executes anything. So that kind of makes sense. I'd have to see it to decide how dumb it is. I mean, it's definitely dumb. I think Sherlock Holmes 2 is better than 1.

Okay. But I don't think they're great. Fair enough. I also don't think Guy Ritchie is that good a director. Also fair enough. He's got some good stuff, but... Yeah a bit of a fallen off a little yeah and it's kind of like a bit of a one-trick pony he was initially he's definitely changed and also he did swept away with madonna so let's not forget that right there's there's a really good sequence in the first one where he has

to like he's chasing somebody through the through the streets and he dresses up as an old lady and he does all sorts of... I think you're thinking of Van Helsing. I'm never thinking of Van Helsing. Yeah, that hat. Yeah. Look, I think they're both completely valid interpretations of the character. Not terrible either.

Which one? What do you want to see? Sherlock Christmas special set in Victorian era or Robert Downey Jr. have another mind fight? Oh, the former. See, that being said, though, of the Sherlock's that I have seen, the BBC series,

I really enjoyed the first season. I thought the first two episodes of season two was total garbage and was redeemed by the third one. What was that? What were those two? I don't even know. It was...

The dog one? No. Ghost dog? No, it wasn't ghost dog. You know that one. I'm talking about that. Hand of the Baskervilles. Yes, ghost dog.

There was the one where... One of them was the one where he meets his opposite number and she's clearly in love with him. If you remember the one and her phone is locked and he can't discover the combination but then her phone is sure locked. Yeah. That was because she's in love with him. If you remember the one and her phone is locked and he can't discover the combination but then her phone

is Sherlocked. Yeah. That was because she's in love with him. I remember now. Garbage. What a garbage episode. Anyway,

I've only seen a little bit of season three. Okay. It was fine. No, fair enough. Yeah. Good, solid work. Good work, everyone.

Okay, good. Yeah. Hey, guys. I'm Augusto from Argentina. Also, Martin Freeman's great. Isn't he? Yeah. And they're both going to be in a Marvel movie.

Oh, they are, too. Yeah, it's all happening. I'm Augusto from Argentina. I wanted to share with you an article that I just came across. Do you think there'll be a Doctor Strange Iron Man butting heads with an oblique reference to them both being Sherlock Holmes? I hope so. Me, too.

Okay, continue. It allegedly comes from the Sony hack, and it's a list of mandatory character traits for Peter Parker and Spider-Man from a 2011 contract between Sony and Marvel. Oh, yes. So basically this was released online. Whether or not this is true or not, obviously it's part of the hack or might be part of the hack.

Here we go. These are the character traits of Spider-Man. I'm ready. It's nothing too controversial, but I think it goes to show that Sony, I mean Marvel and Sony had a particular idea when casting Peter Parker. All right, Spider-Man. He's exactly like Tobey Maguire.

End of email. Brackets full of email. We'll also take Andrew Garfield. No other options. Just the hair. Yeah. Whether Peter Parker or, so Spider-Man,

whether Peter Parker or an alternative Spider-Man character must always strictly conform to the following mandatory character traits. Here we go. Male. All right. It's not really a trait, but all right. Does not torture. I'm fairly certain he pinned that Sandman against the side of a trade

and grayed his face off. Yeah, he did, yeah. Does not kill unless in self-defense. Fair enough. Unless defensive self or others. Yep. Does not use foul language beyond PG-13. No F and Cs, mate.

Oh, sure, no F and Cs, yeah. Does not smoke tobacco. Does not sell... And then it's brackets wacky. Does not sell slash distribute illegal drugs. Was that ever a danger? Some of these Spider-Man treatments or pictures must have gone way off the rails.

Maybe. Okay, so here's the deal. We've got Peter Parker. He's just a kid in school, but he also deals ecstasy at Rays. What? Does not abuse alcohol. All right. Does not have sex before the age of 16.

Does not have sex with anyone under the age of 16. Does not engage in dance sequences of any kind. Does not play weird jazz piano in jazz bars or any other bars. Does not accidentally hit his fiancee in a jazz bar. Last one is not a homosexual, brackets, unless Marvel has betrayed that alter ego as a homosexual. What? That's a...

What? Yeah, I mean, I guess that's... All those things fit... Look, we're against the gays unless Stan Lee says it's okay and then it's fine. There's also got depictions of Peter Parker or his Spider-Man alter ego must conform to the following character traits. This goes on. Oh, boy.

His full name must be Peter Benjamin Parker. Okay's caucasian and a heterosexual so all that stuff about them being open to casting outside of race was clearly not yeah wow yeah i still think we could get a miles morales at some point um his parents become absent uh from his life during childhood yes yes but also don't bring them back in flashbacks they should have that they should yeah flashbacks yeah not an overly complicated plot they shouldn't have a train that you access underground with coins you found in a calculator unless that has already happened in a comic book version from the time his parents became absent he was raised by aunt may and uncle ben in new york uh he gained his powers while attending either middle school or college he gained his powers from being either middle school or college.

He gained his powers from being bitten by a spider. He designs his first red and blue costume. Does it really matter whether he designs it? I guess so. Yeah. It's not a deal breaker, is it? The black costume is a symbiote and not designed by him. He's raised in a middle-class household in Queens, New York. He attends or attended high school in Queens, New York,

and he attends or attended a college in New York City, New York. There you go. So New York is a deal-breaker there. It's got to be. Correct. It has to be. It just says every 10 minutes, Peter Parker must be at the top of a bridge yelling,

I love New York. Forget about it. Forget about it. Yeah, look, none of that is surprising to me at all. Not at all, no. So, you know, that is what it is. Yeah. I don't think that would, yeah.

Look, as much as they said, yeah, we're open to whatever. They would definitely not want to open to whatever, yeah. Yeah, sure. Look, you know, you can, we'll see what they do. But I think there is room for a character's alternative Spider-Man. I want to see more of that. Yeah, totally. Unless this Peter Parker is just mind-blowing.

I don't... Yeah. I mean, we did see... Because there was the Spider-Verse storyline. Yeah, yeah. And so, with any luck... Ah, drinking water. They can maybe draw from that pool of alternate Spider-Mans

and go, okay, well, we want that one. I would like to see Spider-Gwen. I was going to say, a lot of people are saying Spider-Gwen. Yeah. It's a shame they wasted Emma Stone, didn't they? But she can come back. That's what I'm saying.

Parallel universe. Oh, yeah. But then you've got to introduce parallel universes. Yeah. You can do that, though, I guess. I mean, they introduced the Venom symbiote

as it just fell out of the sky. Yeah. And we don't need to explain that. So I guess they could just go, hey, look, Gwen's come through a portal. Yeah. It's fine. That's a broom cupboard?

Maybe. Doesn't matter. Yeah. All right. That's the show for this week. I've got any just go, hey, look, Gwen's come through a portal. Yeah. It's fine. That's a broom cupboard. Maybe. It doesn't matter. Yeah. All right. Well, that's the show for this week. I've got any minigun thoughts, but we covered that, didn't we? Covered minigun thoughts. Exactly.

We're so good at podcasting. Minigun minutes. I'm going to make this a regular segment. Minigun minute. Absolutely. Where can people find us? They can find us at Weekly Planet Pod on Twitter and Gmail and Facebook and Band band camp where we have our uh movie commentaries that's right i will probably do a terminator 2 one soon hopefully yeah uh also if you follow

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Terminator movies yeah okay let's talk about them let's bloody get into it yeah thoughts good meaning else We've got a lot of stuff to say at the end of these. Maybe we'll do... You know what we're going to do next week? What's that? Terminator movies. Yeah, okay. Let's talk about them. Let's bloody get into it. Yeah. Thoughts? Good meaning of it?

Have we talked about Terminators before? Not at great length. Okay, great. This will be a good one. Let's talk about them at great length. Especially when we get to three and four. Oh, I'm going to have to re-watch them, aren't I? No. No, because I don't.

Oh, no. I'm going to have to. You don't have to watch one and two again. No, they're in here. They're ingrained. Locked. Yeah. All't. Oh, no, I'm going to have to. You don't have to watch one or two again. No, they're in here. They're ingrained. Locked. Yeah. All right.

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