The Weekly Planet - 9 The Hunger Games: Catching Fire & Doctor Who: The Day Of The Doctor

Episode Date: November 26, 2013

This episode we’re talking, The Hunger Games: Catching Fire and The Day Of The Doctor, the 50th anniversary of one of the most loved TV series.Heads up, spoilers for both. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome everybody to episode 8 of the Weekly Planet, official podcast of comicbookmovie.com. This week, Mason. Hello. Hello, listeners. How are you? I'm good. Was that the listeners? You heard that right?

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We do This week we're talking The Hunger Games Catching Fire And The Doctor Who 50th anniversary special, The Day of the Doctor. They're both popular things, aren't they? They are. You know what, do you think there's a much fan overlap between those two things? Sassy lasses.

Yep. And people who like bow ties and like floppy hair. Us too. That's it, that's really it. It's just us two, right? Yeah. And the ghost right And the ghost And the ghost guy Alright so before we get started on that Obviously we're going to talk news Why obviously Because it's a segment Oh okay right cool Sorry Is that a regular thing now

I think so yeah What constitutes regular We've done like four times at least Yeah that's good Four times ten times Ten times Okay so I've got a few comic book And just movie related news to get started

Hang on I'm just going to adjust this microphone. And by that I mean the stool that the microphone sits on. I think you mean the incredible amounts of technical equipment we have here. That's what you mean. That's what I mean. What you mean is your motion to our producer and then he made an adjustment. Is that right? That's what you meant.

Gary. Gary. Yeah. Yeah. Great bloke. Okay, so you're familiar with the Amazing Spider what you meant. Gary. Gary. Yeah. Yeah. Great bloke. Okay. So you're familiar with the Amazing Spider-Man franchise. No.

The reboot franchise. I know you've never seen it. I've never seen it. I'm aware of what it is. Yes. Yes. So what, before we go on with this, what are your reasonings for not seeing Spider-Man, the basic Spider-Man again?

They make me sad. The Spider-Man movies make me sad on the inside. Just a single tear and it just goes down my face for an hour. So you resent the fact that he's not happy-go-lucky? Yep. And you resent the fact that he's British? Yeah, both those things. Okay, cool.

Well, look, maybe this title... More like Andrew Dumbfield. Yes. Cop that, mate. I think I've got something that will turn around your opinion, though. Okay. You have to watch that movie before... I'll watch it eventually.

Fine. I'll watch it... Before... At least before we see this sequel. Okay. You have to watch that movie before. I'll watch it eventually. Fine. I'll watch it. Before, at least before we see this sequel. Do you have a legitimate copy that I can legitimately... Of course I do. Okay, I'll get that legitimate copy. It's on my Blu-ray shelf. Great.

Right next to my Walkman. Next to all the other things that I definitely still have. This title will change your mind. Okay. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Rise of Electro. It doesn't, though. Is it long enough? It's certainly long enough, but also, why would anybody care about that?

That's not a subtitle that encourages anyone to see it right. No. Who even knows who Electro is, aside from comic book nerds? Yeah, that's a really good point. Well, after Jamie Foxx makes him world famous. Well, I should say in Spider-Man 2, Jamie Foxx is in this one. Brackets, he's won an Oscar.

Brackets, he was in Django. That was a good one. Brackets, he probably had a dick double in that scene. Brackets, but who cares? It's pretty good. I'd definitely see that. Yeah.

Who wouldn't see that? I'd see that, exactly. Yeah, but look, that's not the only amazing Spider-Man 2 Rise of Electro news. That's a tentative title. That would have been enough news for me, but the fact that you've got more is very encouraging. Don't you think they should just be like, call it the Spectacular Spider-Man? Yeah. Just something like that.

Not even that. Just something like that. But then they would have to be shelved differently. Yeah, that's a good point. At the DVD, Blu-ray store that we go to often, legitimately and buy things. That's a good point. We'd never find it.

Yeah, we'd never find it, exactly. We'd have to download it legally off the internet. I think they've made a mistake that they're even putting the 2 there. The Amazing Spider-Man is long enough without the Amazing Spider-Man 2. And then if you're going to change it to anything else, it just goes forever.

Yeah. I'm actually looking forward to this one, though, from the leaked footage that I've seen legitimately when we went to Comic-Con that time. Yeah, definitely. I think it might actually turn out okay. There's no trailer yet for this anyway. But you love the Spider-Man universe, and good thing, too, because one of the Sony co-chairmen, I can't remember her name off the top of my head she came out and said there's going to be more Spider-Man movies with heroes and villains maybe in their own

kind of spin-off versions so maybe we'll see a Venom she didn't say anything specific maybe we'll see a Venom worked out really well last time are you talking about

Spider-Man 3 Venoms yes yeah what a Spider-Man 3 Venom Topher Grace is in this one brackets he's Venom

brackets probably had a dick double brackets Spider-Man 3 Venom. Topher Grace is in this one. Brackets. He's Venom. Brackets. Probably at a dick double. Brackets. Yeah. So, do you think there's enough characters in just the Spider-Man universe to spit off, though? Hang on. Are we spitting off, like, secondary heroes as well?

Yeah, I guess so. Like Flash Thompson? Yeah, I guess. Yeah. I mean, they might have changed it recently, but Flash Thompson is the new Venom. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. Like Flash Thompson. Yeah, I guess, yeah. Because, I mean, they might have changed it recently, but Flash Thompson is the new Venom. Yeah.

So, I guess they could do that. Yeah. I mean, he's got, Spider-Man's got the best rogues gallery. He does, yeah. Almost any... More than Batman? He's got the best super-powered rogues gallery. Yeah, fair point.

Yeah. I don't know, how point. I don't know. How many... I don't think... More than Aqualad? Sorry, guys. Give me another Spider-Man ally, though. Who else? You want an aunt, mate?

Black Cat. No. No? Tried it with Catwoman. Didn't fly. Nobody's going to try that again. Might be great, but it won't be great. Yeah.

I think Felicity Hardman is playing Black Cat in this one. There's a whole lot of them. Felicity Hardman is Felicia Hardy. That's interesting. To me. Just to me. No one else. I know I've got that name wrong.

You know her though, right? She's in a bunch of stuff. No. Never mind. She's British also. Ooh. Oh, the most British Spider-Man movie ever. The most British.

I like crumpets. So look, I think they should work. Amazing Spider-Man yeah. I like crumpets. So look, I think they should work. Amazing Spider-Man 2, tea and crumpets, brackets. I'd say that. Brackets, elevensies. So yeah, Amazing Spider-Man 2, very excited then. Was that in sum up? Ah, yeah.

Yeah, it sounds really good. I don't want to preemptively give it best movie ever, but it's on the way. Excellent. Well, this will make you really happy if you love sequels. I do. Die Hard 6. What? No. Wait. No. No. I can't stop it. Yeah, I guess you can't. That's true. Okay. So look, I, I, as I think I said the other week, I turned off Die Hard 5. Uh huh. Great. About 10 minutes in. 10 minutes? You didn't even hear it? Yeah. Okay. Nah. Um. That's, you're still in act one there. Yeah. Hmm. You're still in Act 1 there.

Yeah. But I hadn't heard good things and at the start I'm like this isn't very good and I turned it off. What part of it wasn't very good then? It was kind of dull.

It's not, they're not even, since 4, which I don't even hate 4, they're not really diehard movies. They're just generic Bruce Willis movies.

They're generic Bruce Willis movies. I have said before and this is true, I think, it's not true, it's is true, I think... It's not true. It's the thing that I think. It's true. Yeah, I've got enough of an ego to think it's true.

I think for Die Hard 4, he should have grown back his widow's peak. Absolutely, he should have. If he can't, I assume he can't at this point. They could have just put that on. Because the entire premise of those movies is he's not having a good day at all yeah and in the first he looks worried all the time that's thinning widow's peak yeah and in the in die hard 4 which is the last one i saw as well he's just a generic shaved headed bruce willis hero guy and he doesn't look like he's having trouble at all no he's not

well that's the thing i think that's that's the problem with with that series when he became this kind of invincible rambo action man does he and it looks like in five he's, that's the thing. I think that's the problem with that series, when he became this kind of invincible Rambo action man. Does he? And it looks like in Five he's... Well, that's pretty much what Five looked like to me. I mean, from the clips I've seen, like he jumps out of a window as a helicopter shooting at him and his son, put his son in it, which is great.

The actor who plays the son actually is a pretty good actor. I think he's good. He's in Spartacus. But anyway, and he crashed out a window and he falls like stories and stories and then through like a glass ceiling and then like into a pool. Through the glass ceiling. Through the glass ceiling.

Wow, that's very progressive of the Die Hard films. Good on him. So yeah, I think he's too... And then it's like the bit in 4, which again I didn't hate, where like he flings the car at the helicopter.

The taxi at the helicopter shop. And he fights the jet with the truck. Yeah. Like, just a bunch of stuff. Like, in 1, he kind of struggled to really do anything

like a fist fight would be he'd nearly die every time yeah and this one he's just kind of burning through

do you think he'd get less capable as the years went by yeah you would think that his knees would wear out and stuff well Die Hard 6

okay the writer brackets his knees wear out brackets brackets he probably had a knee double so he's the writer Ben Treblecook.

Fake name, sure. No, real name. Huh. I actually reached out to Twitter to compliment him on his Die Hard story. And his name? Ben Treblecook. Okay, fine. I mean, I'll probably say it wrong, but that's what it reads like in my head.

It sounds like Ben Trebleclef. That's it. Is he a giant musical note? He's a giant musical note. Well, Trebleclef isn't technically a note. I know Shut up God

The last thing we need On this show Is to start correcting Each other's errors That is a slippery slope To just leaping out this window Don't do it So fair point

I apologise John McClane Yep I'm on board so far. He goes to Japan. Was he in Russia in the last one? He was in Russia in the last one. No, I don't like this.

I don't like this brand. Wait. To be commended by the Nakatomi Corporation for saving lives 30 years before. The 36 lives he saved. Yeah. And again, apparently they're going to strip a whole lot away. He's going to be a lone wolf again and he's going to be vulnerable. And he said, Ben Treblecook said, one in three are the best, which I absolutely agree with.

And that's what he's kind of trying to replicate. Huh. So, oh, and Samuel L. Jackson might be in it as Zeus in a small appearance. All right. Because he's like, he's always got a buddy. The god Zeus. Yeah, the god Zeus. Great.

He's always got, you know, he's always got a buddy. Yep. Sometimes too much. Like, I think Justin Long. too much like I think Justin Long I like Justin Long a lot and I think he's good in that movie again but it's probably too much

and having Sun hang around him the whole time it's too much it's Indiana Jones 4 all over again except I'm going to say better

but it's probably not better pretty much the same pretty much the same yeah so what do you think? good is it going to be set at Christmas again? sure

wow good then I'm on board. Good. Excellent. Okay. Last bit of news for this week. There have been some Batman versus Superman titles that have been floating around. I'm ready.

These are registered domain names. Do any of them contain brackets at all? All of them contain brackets. Yes. Okay. Are you ready for this? And they're registered domain names, so they could potentially be. Potentially. Okay, I'm ready. I personally, I don't think names so they could potentially be Potentially Okay, I'm ready

Personally, I don't think any of these are going to be it But I'm just going to rattle these off Stop me if you have anything to say at any point Okay Man of Steel Battle of the Night Hate it With a K

No No That sounds like maybe like an online game Yeah That you can play like a Like a sword and sorcery yeah like a candy crush kind of game where you're batman or superman and you just shoot candies at each other yeah yeah yeah but that is not that cannot be the title well that's the worst one so don't worry okay

man of steel black of night you still hate it i was lying when I said that was the worst one. Yeah, you were, weren't you? Man of Steel Beyond Darkness. No. Man of Steel Darkness Falls. No, and it's also, remember that there was a film called Darkness Falls. Was there? I think so. Oh, there's no more Darkness ones. Okay, good.

Man of Steel Darkness Within. There was one more. Ah, yes. And Man of Steel versus all the buildings in Metropolis. I like that one. That one I made up. Yeah, yeah. What do you think of any of those? I hate them all. I like that one. That one I made up. Yeah, yeah. What do you think of any of those?

I hate them all. Battle of the Night, Black of Night, Beyond Darkness, Darkness Falls, Darkness Within. Oh, it's Battle, like Bat, Bat-tle. I didn't even think of that. Ugh, awful. I hate it. I hate that on every level. What do you think they should call that?

I don't know. I don't know what they should call it. Superman, Batman, or Batman, Superman. Just with a space? Or a slash? No, not Batman Superman just with a space or a slash no I'm a slash just a space ah I think Batman

you know what I hate to say but I think Batman vs Superman might be the best title given that those are the options yeah what about World's Finest yeah

you know what all they need to I wanted it to be that but nobody will ever do that you know what I think they should do I had a brainwave this week Batman vs Superman brackets

they fight for a while and then they're mates brackets dick double okay what's your brainwave brainwave is they call it Man of Steel

not Man of Steel sorry Batman vs Superman or Superman vs Batman right up to the first trailer and then they reveal it as world's finest so everybody knows that it's the Batman Superman movie you cannot drive that home enough Superman vs. Batman right up to the first trailer and then they reveal it as world's finest.

So everybody knows that it's the Batman Superman movie. You cannot drive that home enough. And then they change the name. That's genius. Has that ever been done before? You're a pioneer. I am in many ways.

Yeah. Well, I did call this movie actually. Did you know that? I made a Justice League making Justice League not terrible video and I called this movie. I said,

don't make Justice League make Batman vs. not, I called this movie. I said, don't make Justice League, make Batman vs. Not, I didn't say the vs. Make a Batman Superman movie. And then they did it. Huh. Because I'm a genius. Is that, or is it just a coincidence? It's a massive coincidence.

It is, isn't it? I mean, how many more of your videos would you have gone through? And you're like, I think they should make a movie where Aunt May fights Galactus. And then. You saw that video? Yeah. I don't think you watched any of my stuff. Yeah.

I also called Electro into Darkness. Spider-Man 2. Oh, I get it. Yeah. Okay, good. Forget it. No. Okay, so that's all the news this week, unless you've got some news.

Anything personal you want to talk about? I'm good. Okay. I'm eating more vegetables. Good. Yeah. about? I'm good. Okay. I'm eating more vegetables. Good. Yeah. Greens? Lots of greens.

That's great. You never used to eat a lot of greens. I know, but I'm concerned. Sure. We're not getting younger. No, exactly. We're getting older and worse. But cooler, certainly.

No. Oh. Better eat more greens. You're better. Okay. As women, our life stages come with unique risk factors, like when our estrogen levels drop during menopause, causing the risk of heart disease to go up.

Know your risks. Visit heartandstroke.ca. Two things we're going to talk about today. I thought we'd start with catching fire. What do you think about that? I think that's a good idea. The. I thought we'd start with Catching Fire. What do you think about that? I think that's a good idea. The reason I thought we'd start with Catching Fire is because a lot of people are not interested in Doctor Who.

Catching Fire is a much more successful franchise and some would argue infinitely better in every way. I'm only kidding for everybody watching. He's not kidding, though. I really... No, I am. I just thought, start with Catching Fire because it came out first. He's not kidding. I really... No, I am. I just thought, start with Catching Fire because it came out first. It's more mainstream, man.

It's totally more mainstream. This movie made $70 million in its opening day in the US. It might have been worldwide. It's more than I've ever made in a day. Yeah, that's true. Just. Yeah. Okay.

First question for you. Yep, I'm ready. Did you enjoy the first Hunger Games movie? Yes. Okay. But I didn't see it at the time. It was okay. It was fun.

Did you... Strong female protagonist, that's good. You know what I really like about it? I've only seen the first Twilight. I didn't hate it. I have no opinion on it. That's an the first Twilight. I didn't hate it. I have no opinion on it. That's an opinion though. You didn't hate it.

You have expressed on the internet your opinion about a Twilight movie. You idiots. You're in trouble. Doesn't matter what you do from this point forward.

That's a really good point. You're on somebody's blacklist. I had no interest to see the rest of them. Apparently they're not good at all. Except I think in the last one which they split the two

where there's a massive fight. Why are they always splitting the last thing into two? Because it makes a lot of money. Oh, yeah. Anyway. We'll get to that on Hunger Games as well. You know what? I thought the Harry Potter worked well.

I know you haven't seen it. Haven't seen it. That's a thick book. I think I used in my Hunger Games review on my YouTube channel, Mr. Sunday. Tubes. Yeah. That book is as thick as a cow's head. Yes.

And it could be split quite well. Like a cow's head. Exactly. Now, I enjoyed the first. Its budget was certainly a lot less than the second one. There's a lot of effects. Even though it came out in March of last year, some of the blue screen effects and the fire effects that they have when they're wearing the fire and oh yeah it's pretty garbage yeah like it looks like something they'll go we'll

take a punt on this we'll spend all our money on money on jennifer lawrence because you know every now and then there's one of these teen girl or teen romance movies and they're just like let's just see if anybody likes this oh yeah they've got mortal city instrument of bones and what is that about i don't know because what i because i saw that on like a bus ad or something like that and I thought, what is that about? Oh, wiki that. It doesn't tell you. Like at the time, there was no information.

It was like, based on a book series and it's got these guys in it and it doesn't... I think... Are they in a band maybe? No. Are they a band of like gypsy wizards or something? Yes. Great. No, I think they're...

I think it's something to do with magic. That's all I know. That's great. Then again, I think it's something to do with magic. That's all I know. That's great. Then again, it might not have anything to do with magic. Might be librarians. Yeah. Great.

Do you think, yeah, but there's a whole lot of shaky cam in the first one as well, which they got rid of. The director of that movie, I can't remember what his name is. He was killed, though. He was killed.

For all the shaky cam. For all the shaky cam. This one is a lot, yeah, there's a lot less. It's a traditionally shot. It kind a lot less it's a traditional traditionally shot it kind of looks like it's been filmed in like a tumble dryer

like they put the camera in a tumble dryer like not on you're talking about the first one right the first one like not on high speed but like

enough like a gentle like a gentle dry like a gentle warm dry and then it's just kind of just slightly back and forth the whole thing you notice it

yeah you do you notice it so yeah that director left Francis no Francis Lawrence no he's the guy who did this one

whatever his name was left because he didn't think there was enough time before the second one to get it done well he's wrong isn't he well yeah

probably because he keeps it's probably because he's like do we have enough time to shake the camera back and forth for hours like I've got to get the right rhythm

it's been a long time to get into that zone. I need an extension cord for this tumble dryer. But, yeah, do you think it's better than the first? Yes. Hmm, me too. Good. What about it do you think? Cut here.

End of episode. I like that the stakes were raised. Uh-huh. It was a natural progression from the first. Yep. In the first one, it's like, it's basically the survival of two people. And then it becomes, in this one, it becomes not only the survival of two people, two young people possibly or possibly not in love. Spoiler alert. We're spoiling this whole thing.

Oh, we're going to spoil the whole thing. Spoilers for everything, by the way. You should have seen it. Shame on you. Yeah. If you weren't part of that 70 million opening weekend, you're letting Hollywood down. You know what I mean? I'm shaking you. Yeah. If you weren't part of that 70 million opening weekend, you're letting Hollywood down. You know what I mean? Ugh. Come on. I'm shaking my head. Come on, guys.

Sorry. Shaking your head doesn't work on this, does it? Yeah, I like how it focuses on your actions have affected the whole district. Districts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And basically how that's going to spin out into all sorts of shenanigans across the 12 districts and the next two movies. And what about the performances?

Okay, I had two notes about that. Let's go back. Okay, one, Chris Hemsworth, for a guy who works down on the mines all day. You mean Liam Hemsworth? Liam Hemsworth. Are we not correcting each other? Sorry. How dare you?

Chris Hemsworth, great. Liam Hemsworth, for a guy who works down the mines all day. Great hair. Great hair the mines all day great hair great hair they all have great hair they do don't they yeah they're very pretty people

they are secondly as far as casting goes genuinely inspired casting I thought of Philip Seymour Hoffman as Philip Seymour Hoffman like modern day

Philip Seymour Hoffman just cause like like they plugged him in they plugged him in like as this this absolute direct contrast between like these coal mining like sad village farmer people and these

like fluorescent kind of elizabethan fops like right in the middle they're just this regular guy they've clearly gone okay hey phil um you're like a war game strategist in like this dystopian future and he's like great i'm on board i'll sign and then day one they're like okay so what you're like a war game strategist in like this dystopian future and he's like great I'm on board I'll sign and then day one they're like okay so what are you going to be wearing is like knickerbocker jodhpurs and like silk stockings and little velvet shoes and then maybe like a ruffled shirt and like a brocaded

waistcoat and a powdered wig with a little top hat on and he's like no and they're like but we made it very fancy you're in this society and he's like I want an Oscar And they're like, no. And they're like, but we made it very fancy. You're in this society, this high society. And he's like, I won an Oscar. What I'm going to wear is this suit that I woke up in.

That's pretty much what I'm going to wear. And they're like, oh, fine. It's a nice suit. Yeah. No, yeah. You're absolutely right, yeah. He really does fit the flow. He's good in it, though. Yeah, he's great.

Twister's Philip Seymour Hoffman. He's come so far. Yeah. He's in Twister, though. Yeah, he's great. Twister's Philip Seymour Hoffman. He's come so far. He's in Twister. He's one of the chasers. For a while, his role was like the Jack Black. He was, yeah. Wacky character. And he's sort of grown out of that.

He's evolved. As an adult man. Maybe Mission Impossible 3 turned that around. Maybe Capote. Well, he did win the Oscar for that. Maybe the one where he played with Ben Stiller where he sharted it's probably

that was definitely it and he uses that exact line yeah that was the turnaround there yeah are you a fan

of Jennifer Lawrence's performances she's great she is great isn't she yeah realistic you know what else

is good about her she's like she's obviously very attractive but she's a regular looking kind of attractive does that make sense not regular looking kind of attractive.

Does that make sense? Not a generic kind of... I'm staying out of this one. I find her very attractive. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying she's a natural beauty. And she's very convincing. As opposed to everybody I'd imagine in Mortal City of Instrument Bones.

Yes. Where everybody looks like... Bone central. Yeah. Exactly. Bone central. Looks like whatever. Josh. Where everybody looks like... Bone Central. Yeah, exactly. Bone Central. Looks like whatever. Josh Hudson, great, I thought as well.

I thought he stepped up from the first one as well. Well, he's a bit kind of limp in the first one. Yeah. He's kind of... But I don't know if that is part of the... I mean, that's definitely part of the character in the book, so I assume... Well, he's supposed to be this kind of strong, kind of short, kind of baker, kind of boy. Like a... yeah, okay, good. Like a baker's boy.

Like a baker's boy, sure, definitely, yeah. Yeah. I know last week as well you mentioned how you wanted to see a really good wig from Woody Harrelson. What did you think? Very good, I thought. Because, no, you can see kind of, you can see the roots of the hair, just up the front there in the part. It looks good, it doesn't look like it's been taped down. Yeah.

Travolta style. Travolta style. It looks like a good, no, it's a good wig. Yeah. Fantastic. And you liked the poor man's Thor. Yeah. Chris Hemsworth.

Yeah, that one. You know what I thought about this, and people may disagree. They've been talking about doing a young Han Solo spin-off. I think he'd be a good young Han Solo. I'm a ball with that, sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think people are like, you're dead, a mighty slut, by the size of what a dickhead, he's not Thor or whatever. I think he'd be a good young Han Solo. I'm a ball with that, sure. I think people are like, you're dead and mighty

soft, what a dickhead, he's not Thor or whatever. I think he's got the look, he's got the hair, he's got the know-how, he's got the skills. He's got the spaceship. That's a Hollywood secret. Yeah, I know. Yeah, and what's his name? Donald Sutherland's.

Great. Spitting blood into a champagne flute. Oh, subtle. Yeah, very subtle. Because in the book, apparently he's, well, he is because I've read this. He's got, he's got blood mouth. He's got blood mouth. He's got the blood breath. Oh.

And he's even got roses, I think, that smelled like blood. Huh. Yeah. Did you think, though, because it's obviously based on a book, it's a bit oddly structured. Yes. It's oddly structured. book it's a bit oddly structured yes it's oddly structured the pacing's a little weird yeah and

we're gonna bounce around all over the place for this one certainly are I feel that because it's a book based on a book there are

there seem to be pieces missing or there's context missing have you read it? no had I read the book I would know that like

right at the end she's captured by by, you know, she nearly dies. She hits the force field with the arrow. Yeah. She nearly dies. They pick her up in the ship. Yeah. And then they're like, hey, we're part of the revolution. You didn't?

Sorry, yeah, I didn't see that coming. I didn't feel there was enough. Because Philip Seymour Hoffman, the Games Master. Did you think he was the villain the whole way through? Yes. Is there more subtle clues that I missed out on? Well, actually, the only one I can think of off the top of my head, I read this last year and I'm probably misremembering,

but he meets Katniss at the party. Yep. And he's like, what up, girl? He does that. He's got his lovely powdery wig and whatever. Yeah, absolutely. And he shows her a fob watch. And he says later something like,

that was a clue to kind of clue you into what was going on in the games. Not a great clue, though. No, no, exactly. Yeah. Because, and again, this is one of those scenarios where you see the villain, who is in league with the heroes, doing villainous things. Yeah. But he's so villainous that you don't we so he's so intent on killing all the members of the all the

the tributes in the hunger games that you don't so it would seem yeah but all the ones most of them who are with the revolution don't die or or not going knowing that they're going to die but i thought there were a lot who could have potential. Like the moment where he spins the... Yeah, but he stops that pretty quickly after she goes in. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, but she could have been hit in the head with a really heavy object. Like a lot of...

There's a lot of scythes and just big dumbbells and stuff on that thing. They could have flown off and hit her in the face and then she's dead. But a lot of the time where President Snow's like, we should do something about this. Yep. And he always goes, I agree. Let's wait. Yeah. I've got a plan.

It's a really convoluted plan to get her back in the Hunger Games and then draw out her death and make it look like she's a bad person where every step that she takes though, I'm assuming he knows what that she's going to do the right thing and not look like she's a bad person, where every step that she takes, though, I'm assuming he knows what, that she's going to do the right thing and not look like an idiot, and people won't turn on us. That's true, but he does, if you recall, wait till everyone's asleep

and then release mustard gas. Like, smart mustard gas that can follow you around. But she was awake when that came through, didn't they? Yeah, but come on. Come on. Yeah. She was one second away from death that whole time. I thought initially that they were going to pull a Chinatown.

You know, in Chinatown. Never seen it. Oh, okay. Well, well. You're talking about the... Roman Polanski, Jack Nicholson. But in Chinatown... It's a sequel to that.

It's not as good. It's really not. Sorry, go on. In that movie, Jack Nicholson gets a slice, he gets a knife into his nose and he cuts out a big chunk of his nose and he spends most of the film

with a bandage across his face. Super handsome young Jack Nicholson. And I kind of thought that was going to happen with Hunger Games where the main protagonists were going to have huge mustard gas blisters on their

face for the remainder of the movie I thought oh that's quite actually you know they're promoting you know non Hollywood beauty

and all that sort of thing and it would be interesting to see them but really magic water magic water it washes off

blisters apparently like big like big puffy blood blisters on your face just washes them right off yeah

well I guess you've got to keep your main stars looking beautiful don't you yeah big puffy blood blisters on your face. Just washes them right off. Yeah. Well, I guess you've got to keep your main stars looking beautiful, don't you? Yeah. Did you like Finnick O'Dare? I did. I thought it was Matthew Goode initially. Ozzy Mandius. Oh, yeah.

He might be a bit old for that now. Yeah. That's actually the guy. You probably haven't seen it. I've barely seen it. I've never seen it. Based on our tracker. Pirates 4. No. 4 is the worst. It's got to be the worst one seen it. I've barely seen it. I've never seen it. Pirates 4? Based on our tracker. Pirates 4. No.

4 is the worst. It's got to be the worst one, right? I'll tell you this. 4 is better than 2 and 3. If they made Pirates 1, Pirates 4, it would have been like, okay, that's an okay follow-up. What happens in 4? That guy. Geoffrey Rush, isn't it?

Yep. Yeah, okay. His name's Sam Claffin, is what his name is. He's like the Orlando Bloom and he's a priest and then he gets saved by a mermaid or something. Right. Was Pirates 4 no original cast members except Johnny Depp and Jeffrey Rush?

I think there might be a few others. But yeah, pretty much. Great. Yeah. There's like the guys like, Arr, Jack! You're my friend, Jack! That's my New York accent.

It was really good. No, that was worth it. He had the mutton chops and he's got the ponytail. Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. I think there might be a few others, but yeah. It's fine. Mackenzie Crook, is he still in it? No, I don't think so.

Boo. Boo indeed. Worst movie ever. Just quickly, Sidebar. Yes, from the Sidebar, sure. Have you seen Almost Human? Is that the one? Mackenzie Crook's in it.

It's got Judge Dredd, Carl Urban. Okay, Urban Z. What's his name? The robot in it. I can't remember his name. Hal 9000. That's the one. Data.

And it's like a procedural cop show, but it's set in the future and he's got an android buddy. It's only two hours. Oh no, it'll be three episodes in by the time this comes out. And I think it's a pretty good show. I think it's doing really well. You should watch it. I will. Yeah.

Put him on the pile. Mackenzie Crook. Yep. Yep. Great. Okay. Does he still feel like Gareth from The Office? No.

He can't escape that in many ways. No, not really. He's less wacky. He's like a robotics nerd. Right. Right. Okay. So, yeah.

There you go. He's not the main hero. No, surprisingly not. Yeah, okay, well, he can break out of that, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah. What about the villains, the other tributes? Not the... First of all, what are the good, the nice tributes? What do you like?

I was not expecting to see Jeffrey Wright in... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or Amanda Plummer, I'll be honest with you. Yeah. I don't know. I feel Amanda Plummer has been typecast as that since Pulp Fiction. She's been typecast as just like weird, mentally deranged kind of... Is she in High Fidelity?

Probably. No, I don't think she is actually. Yeah, no, she is. Yeah, you're right. She's in So I Married an Axe Murderer as Nancy Travis's crazy sister. Yeah, I think she's... Yeah, well, you know what? She's found a niche for herself.

She has, yeah. It's pretty good, yeah. Yeah, totally. Fine. How did Geoffrey write... I'm not going to use his character's name because I can't remember it. Nuts and Volts? Yeah, Nuts and Volts.

There he is. He's one of those. Oh, yeah. How did he smuggle in that huge length of wire? I think it was in there because in the centre of the arena at the start... Oh, you get it. And normally in the centre they give you your weapon. And his is his big length of wire.

Because that's how he won these Hunger Games. He electrocuted a bunch of people. And then went, raise the roof! Girlfriend! Oh god, I'm not doing well today. I'm really tired. Quick behind the scenes. Every time we record this, you're'm really tired quick behind the scenes sure every time we record this

you're either really tired or hungover or still drunk from the previous night it's quite admirable that you continue because if

were I in that state I would have cancelled so gotta get it out there gotta give the people what I presume they want I don't I think

gotta give people what they're gonna force down their throats and ear holes. I wonder what it'd be like if I just had a good night's rest, had a good breakfast, and did this.

I think it'd be worse. I think it'd definitely be worse. It'd just be me all... You'd be real chipper. I'd be so fucking chipper. Yeah. Okay, um... Yeah, what about the villains?

Uh... I thought not as well fleshed out. That's true. But not to their detriment. Because I think the real villains are the government. Correct. Specifically Jon Snow. Just like in real life. Just like real life, yeah.

Like, you know, these are the toughest guys that have ever been in the Hunger Games. Right, right, right. And then straight away, Katniss shoots that guy at the foot with an arrow. Yeah, yeah. Who's actually Aquaman from the Smallville series. And then later she comes at him and she shoots him in the foot with an arrow who's actually Aquaman from the Smallville series and then later she comes at him and she shoots him

in the heart with an arrow so that's all yeah that was pretty tough but I think that's okay I think there

doesn't need to be as big a focus on the other villains although it did thinking about that it did you know

there was probably a lot of unnecessary exposition about those characters okay they're all going to be killed so yeah then why bother they're like these are the greatest people to ever win the longer games yeah arrow arrow dead right what about lenny kravitz uh i feel his death was telegraphed very obviously oh you knew that was coming yeah i mean they're like you know they show the amazing costume and then, you know, Snow has a quick look at him and shakes his head.

Yeah, and just makes the slashing throat motion, you know. My feeling is, why as that character would you build that costume, which is clearly an affront to the capital and then not go underground forever. Immediately. Immediately. I feel you should have just disappeared and not shown up at the heavily fortified Hunger Games arena. There was no reason for him to be there except to say, hey, that costume's

pretty light, so it's probably a nice temperate environment to be in. Oh, I'm being killed now. I think he's miscast. How do you mean? I don't think... In the book, he's a very pivotal, influential,

inspiring kind of role model for her. She gets to the capital and everyone's the biggest dickhead in the world. Right, and he's not the biggest dickhead.

Even Woody Harrelson guy. The guy. He's supposed to be... Woody Harrelson guy. Hamish McBeth. That's his real name. Yeah, Hamish McBeth. Sure.

They've all got slightly different names. Like, he's Hamich. Peter is P-E-E-T-A. So, it's Peter. Yep. And whatever. Embarrassing. Plutash Knafness.

Oh, yeah. I think that's... That's my mainland's name. Plutark. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's... I don't think Lenny Kravitz has the chops to pull that off. I think he's fine.

Yep. But I think he could have put somebody better in. You think he's a block of wood? Pretty much. Well, yeah, she did seem incredibly inspired by him just saying, hey, you're alright. Here's a costume.

You're a star. I don't feel this CGI has gotten any better. Really? I think if you went Oh, if you went... Oh, if I went back. Yeah, exactly, maybe. The jet, the vertical takeoff jet, looks incredible. I'll give you that.

Thank you. Looks delightful. No problem. No problem. But a lot of the other stuff is clearly... It's clearly secondary to everything. They put it on the back burner until the last minute. There's a bit where the train is going through a rainy area

and you see the wash of water coming off the tracks. That looks terrible. That's looking really terrible. Fair point. Hey, it's only a $140 million movie. Oh yeah, good point. Yeah, sorry. There are limitations.

There are, aren't there? Yeah, I think the fire effects I thought stepped up quite a bit though. I mean, I know it's not supposed to be real fire that they're kind of engulfed in, but there's a bit where they've got the CGI fire in the first one, and it looks like CGI fire. They've just blue-screened. They've just set a fire in the corner and blue-screened it over the top. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Now, what... Well, is there anything else? Oh, no. Actually, I want to talk about the third book, just quickly. The third movie. No spoilers for this if you haven't read it

or if you're more of a fan of the books than the movies the third book I believe is books for nerds yeah we've established that books are for nerds if you

I think it's the weakest of the trilogy why is that without spoiling anything without spoiling anything there's there's no actual kind of hunger games

without going into it too much of why or what actually transpires through that. I mean, look, it's full credit for going where they did at the end. It took a twist I didn't expect. Ooh. Disco dance party. Yes. That's how they do it. Like a Shrek style karaoke dance party.

But I think yeah I think I definitely think the first book is the best followed by the second followed by the third movies I think this is going to

peak with number two okay there you go well then you're up for four torturous hours I think I think it'll still be fine but it's not a massive book either

it's just I can't even remember that much of it I didn't even read it that long ago but I can't even think of a good spot to even split it without it feeling forced or feeling like you're not getting your money's worth. Huh.

So, yeah. Anyway, we'll know at the end of 2015 when this comes out. Oh, also, special shout out to Stanley Tucci. Oh, he's the best. As just a greasy, oily reality TV show, kind of. The whole thing felt, it's very of its time. And I don't know, when... Was The Hunger Games, the book series, written recently?

Recently, yes. Okay, because it does feel... The entire series does feel very of its time insofar as it's very reality show. Reality TV's got out of hand. Yeah, and it's very... It's very, here's this woman who's... You know, she's famous.

Who cares why she's famous? She's famous and, you know, let's tour her around because she's famous, here's this woman who's, you know, she's famous. Who cares why she's famous? She's famous and, you know, let's tour her around because she's famous, kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say. Yeah. He's so greasy and it's great.

He is. Actually, he nails that character in the book. He's a big part of the book. Love it. Now, are we ready to give our rating? Yes. So, well, on my review, if anybody who has checked it out, I called it the worst movie ever because shooting arrows is dangerous.

It is, isn't it? I didn't even think of that. That's really... She could hit anyone. Like, she could... Oh, that's a really good point. Yeah. It's amazing how many people don't get that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, look. They think it's all fun and games, don't they? It is, yeah. But if you've lost an eye or something... Not cool. Not cool. Yeah. Katniss Everdeen, if that is your real name. It's not. I mean, look. They think it's all fun and games, don't they? It is, yeah. But if you've lost an eye or something. Not cool. Not cool. Yeah.

Katniss Everdeen, if that is your real name. It's not. It's Jennifer Lawrence. All right, I'm ready to give a review. Go. I was going to give it best movie ever. Uh-oh. Because Philip Seymour Hoffman is in it. But I'm going to give it worst movie ever because he's not actually literally portraying

Philip Seymour Hoffman, which I think would be great if it's still a future and somehow he survived. Have I told you about... Do you remember that film, The Island? Yeah. The film, The Island, Ewan McGregor... We saw that together. Yeah, he plays a character who discovers that he is a clone of this future, kind of he's an architect, he's a businessman, he's sort of he's sort of a

stuntman daredevil yeah and that man is intending to harvest the character's organs later on yeah and that movie isn't very good but i feel it would be much improved if ewan mcgregor's character turned out to be a clone of the future's ewan mcgregor like hollywood has driven him mad and he's just and he's just there just to just to harvest organs and remember at the end of the future's Ewan McGregor. Like, Hollywood has driven him mad. And he's just there just to harvest organs. And you remember at the end of the movie, he's just like, I want your organs, Claude! Give me your organs, you Claude! Yeah, exactly.

Put actual Ewan McGregor in. He'd agree to that. He's a good sport, I think. He would. He's like a great bloke. But anyway, my point is, not actually Philip Seymour Hoffman. Worst movie ever.

Sorry, folks. Understandable. Also, Wes Bentley wasn't in it with his ridiculous... Well, he died at the endour Hoffman. Worst movie ever. Sorry, folks. Understandable. Also, Wes Bentley wasn't in it with his ridiculous facial hair. Well, he died at the end of the other one. Doesn't matter. He ate the berries. Doesn't matter. Put him in flashback.

Fair point. Yeah. Wes Bentley. For a guy who was supposed to be a really big actor, he's not doing much, is he? No. He was in Hunger Games. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Good start of show. Was he in Catching Fire? No. He's dead. He ate the berries No He ate the berries I ate the berries You idiot I'm an idiot

So I think that's pretty much All we've got to say About The Hunger Games Catching Fire Good discussion Great discussion Although when we get Into the next topic

If I do think of something About The Hunger Games I'm just going to say it Fine Good I will not veto that In any way We're very professional

Now Second thing we're going To talk about The second topic. Big event. Big BBC worldwide event. Yep. I saved it till second, as I said, because The Hunger Games is a series of multi-million

dollar movies. And Doctor Who is a TV show about men in rubber suits. Yep, that's exactly it. And women. And women. But to be fair... And some of the suits are made out of wood and aluminium foil. So... To be fair, though, I think Doctor Who will probably last longer.

Yeah, definitely. In popularity. Yeah, definitely. I mean, it's not getting... Middling popularity. Middling popularity, yeah. I'm a fan of Doctor Who. You're aware of that.

Yes. You hate Doctor Who. I don't hate Doctor Who, but I kind of hate Doctor Who. Look, I don't... I like the idea of Doctor Who. I think the premise is great. Yep. I'm kind of happy that it has existed for so many decades.

50 decades. It's not technically 50. No, it's 50 decades. It's 500 years. You're right. It's been around for 500 years. It started as cave paintings. Yep.

And then it became Renaissance art. Just jumped to Renaissance art. Yeah, it got rebooted by Leonardo da Vinci. He discovered it. And then it was smoke signals for a while. And then it was semaphore. What's semaphore? It was the flags.

Yep. And then it was Morse code. And then you can download it from the internet for free. That's the progression of Doctor Who. And look, it's been a good idea, but... And there have been really good standout episodes. Absolutely.

But I feel that... What I feel like is that the modern day Doctor Who is sort of the distillation of everything that has been good about Doctor Who over the last 50 years and they've sort of made it they've put it in its component elements

and they've put it all together and they've improved the special effects and so in an ideal world it would be a great series but it isn't I feel that are you familiar with the concept of the Mary Sue? No it's kind of like in fan fiction when somebody writes a fan fiction about a certain like any kind of, it's kind of like in fan fiction when somebody writes a fan fiction

about a certain, like any kind of series or movie or anything like that, the Mary Sue is a character who can be male or female who sort of, it's the stand-in for the author. Oh, okay.

And they're the best at everything or what have you, or the main character of the series falls in love with them. Yeah. Or, you know, they outstrip all the other characters in terms of skill

or just being a great person and they solve everyone's problems. And a lot of times they're good for no reason. Exactly. They're good for no reason. Like Harry Potter's just the best. Yeah, exactly. Well, I feel that in a lot of cases, the Doctor is that.

He is the fan fiction character who's been inserted into his own universe. Because he's always the best at everything. And he's always got all the knowledge and there's very rarely a character who can challenge him or is his equal in any level well occasionally, maybe for a few episodes he might get a master show up

but he doesn't usually deal with that because everybody will say his name at the same time and then he'll be free from the cake and also there is a lot of that that's my second, There's a lot of... And it's that Looper syndrome where it's... Here's another concept for you which I recently learned. Do you hate Looper?

Oh my God. There's another concept which I learned recently. It's like a screenwriting term. It's called hanging a lantern on it or hanging a lampshade on it which is where you... If there's a ridiculous thing that happens if you in story comment on how ridiculous it is people tend to give it a pass oh okay

so like if you know somebody a detective comes into a bar and he's looking for information and like 50 guys decide to beat him up and then it cuts to two minutes later and he's just like

you know like dusting himself off and he's just like, you know, like dusting himself off and he's like, well that was really easy that was so easy that I just beat all those guys nobody will be like, yeah it was, it was suspiciously easy and it made no sense you know, and I feel there's an awful lot of that

do you remember the there was a Doctor Who there was a premise of one season of Doctor Who was that in the first episode of Doctor Who you know what, I'm going to call him Doctor Who... The premise of one season of Doctor Who was that in the first episode, Doctor Who... You know what? I'm going to call him Doctor Who for the remainder of this, because I know it's going to annoy people.

So at the start of the series, Doctor Who is killed by someone in an astronaut suit. Okay, yeah. And we go... In that episode... Because what happens is I start... I'll start a season with fresh eyes and I'll go maybe this one will be great and then it turns out

not to be great and then that's not the best season either so he's killed and then he's examined and they say okay this is definitely the doctor like down to a genetic level it's really him he hasn't regenerated there's no way to get him

out of this this is a fixed point in time he cannot escape this how'd they get him out of it james he was a little version of himself in a robot version of himself there there we go there we go exactly river song froze time of course all time and space converged so winston churchill was prime minister the present day with dinosaurs and bloops and everything else and then he was in

a robot version of himself and he was piloting it from the eye and then that version was shot by River Song who was in the space suit what part of that do you not get

yeah you've made a really good point and see I like the idea of all these I really like the idea that Winston Churchill is the Prime Minister in the present day and his dinosaurs I think that's fun but I don't point and see i like the idea of all these i i really like the idea that winston churchill is the prime minister in the present day and his dinosaurs i think that's fun yeah but i don't i feel that there's there's too too many of the plot points hinge on these things making sense

yeah i feel if it was more like a if if the if doctor who was more a metaphorical journey where nothing really has to be explained it would make a lot of sense but to go all these things make perfect sense you're an idiot for not getting it

no none of them make any sense look I don't think that's a very strong season I think there are obviously some seasons that are better than others

there's a couple of David Tennant seasons which are really really good the first Matt Smith season I think is great because it builds to a really logical conclusion and if you don't mind I'm happy to break that down for everybody.

Okay, good. In rap. Ooh. No, go ahead. I'm really not. Okay. So yeah, basically, it all boils down to at the end, he finds this Pandora's box.

Power of love? He finds the power of love uh huh on cassette yep great he finds this he finds this box uh huh

have you seen it I think you've explained it to me before I've heard about it but um this I think is is the peak of Matt Smith's run as the Doctor not that he's bad at all

and not that there isn't good standalone episodes but this particular bit's amazing uh huh and he's and this box is to keep the ultimate trickster

monster warrior in the universe to keep him in that box so he goes in thinking that this thing is in this box and the box starts to open

and he's like what could possibly be in here this worst thing in the universe it opens up and it turns out the box is empty

and it's been built for him so he is the biggest threat in the galaxy he's the menace. All these villains have got together just to stop him. Great twist. That is a good twist.

And then I think it's a really good conclusion to that series. A whole bunch of other stuff happens and a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense, like the Rory's of Roman Centurion, Plastic Man, and then when he becomes human he can still remember even though it's different. If you know what I'm talking about, people listening, I'm not going to go into that. Pause the podcast, watch five seasons of Doctor Who, and then come back, and everything will be fine.

No, I don't know. There are a lot of individual episodes that I really enjoy. I never really enjoyed the Eccleston episodes. I haven't seen a lot of them, to be honest. The first David Tennant Christmas special stands out as a high point to me. Yeah, definitely. That's when I jumped on board. Yeah, yeah.

And again, it didn't rely on weird time travel paradoxes or weirdness or the Doctor being the best at everything. He just had a little bit of insider knowledge. Yeah. He knew that you can't kill somebody with hypnosis. And the villains were just sort of bluffing the whole time. Yeah was that was kind of a fun twist that was nice and then he killed that guy then he killed that guy by dropping him off the side of a big tall thing that was a big moment for the david tennant doctor he's like oh i'm goofy and fun but then he's like no second chances yeah exactly like i'll kill you with a heartbeat yeah yeah yeah um do you think

he's the best doctor i mean i haven't seen much of the older stuff and I would never ever go back. Good, that's a really good idea. I find I didn't like... Again, I don't hate Doctor Who. I sort of enjoy the odd episode. I found that when Matt Smith was introduced, I didn't care for him at all.

Yeah. But I've come to realise, because something happened in the more recent Doctor Who episodes, that I only hated him for aesthetic reasons. Because David Tennant had a better suit. Because, no, because Matt Smith, black pants, brown jacket, don't care for it. Weird rosé coloured shirt, right,

and the pattern's too close to the jacket. It's jarring to the jacket. It's jarring to the eye. Bow tie, too much shirt front. It's jarring. I thought you were going to say he's dumb head or something. Also he's dumb horn. Also he's dumb head.

He's got a dumb head, like a real, like a moose man. But no, but then, no, I apologise, he's great. He is. People like him. But then they've tweaked the outfit. They've given him a waistcoat.

Yeah. So now less shirt front for the bow tie. Yeah. They've changed it up. Little frock coat. He's a little bit more classy. I like it now. I'm totally on board. That's weird, right? Just before he's gone forever. Yeah, I know. Yeah. I guess we should probably get to the actual episode. Yeah. We've only just watched it. Did you see it at the cinema, he asks, knowing that you didn't? I did not. I watched it this morning in bed eating cookies and cream donuts. Wow.

I know, right? Yeah, whereas certain other friends of ours went on a charity fun run today. They did? Yeah. Fistful of chalk in the mouth. That's the one. Yeah. Anyway, not going to get into that.

Did you like it? I really did. That's what I've written here. Did you like it? I actually really did enjoy it what I've written here. Did you like it? I actually really did enjoy it. Cool. That's really good. What did you like about it?

But again, I'm going to watch two more episodes and then not watch it anymore. Well, look, I think if anybody's going to jump on board Doctor Who, you should probably start with a new Doctor. Would you agree with that? I think so, yeah. Yeah. So, do you think Peter Capaldi... Who makes a teeny weeny little appearance.

Are we spoiling this? Yeah, we're going to spoil it. Okay, good. It's literally on the internet it's literally legitimately available in HD for free

everywhere oh it is too it's on the BBC website it's on the Australian Eyeview it's on whatever website they have in America Google? yeah on Google

it's on Google yeah totally it's on AltaVista it's on geocities.com slash Hollywood and Vine that's where it is I thought it It's on geocities.com slash Hollywood and Vine. That's where it is. I thought it wasn't very, and not to its detriment,

I actually like this about it, it wasn't very new fan friendly. So if you're coming in like, this is going to be my jumping off point. It's really funny. There's a bit that's that where they kind of like

explains that he's a time traveller and who he is and what he's about and then it's just like nonsense. Yeah, if you don't know anything about Doctor Who... If you don't understand what regeneration is... Get out of here. and then it's just like nonsense. If you don't know anything about Doctor Who, get out of here. If you don't know who the Time Lords are,

you don't know about their planet Gallifrey. Things like Captain Jack, they mention Captain Jack. They do, yeah. Bad Wolf, they mention Bad Wolf. Trenzalore, which is only a recent thing. Rose Tyler is in it, but she's not referred to as Rose. Yeah, because she's not actually Rose. And she speaks primarily to John Hurt, who doesn only a recent thing. Yeah, yeah. Rose Tyler is in it, but she's not referred to as Rose. Yeah, because she's not actually Rose, so. Yeah. And she speaks primarily to

John Hurt, who doesn't know her yet. Yeah. So, yeah, no, it's really, it's quite dense. Well, I saw people who were clearly, even passing fans of the show, didn't understand a lot of it. Things like, wait a minute, is John Hurt, did he come after, or was he before, or that kind of thing. Well, those people have clearly missed the mini episode. Oh, yeah, the Minisode. The Minisode. The Minisode. The mini webisode. Yeah.

But I like that, though. I like little things like, you know how Queen Elizabeth, how he's going to marry Queen Elizabeth? Oh, yeah, yeah. There's a few seasons back, and I can't even remember which Doctor it is. Probably Matt Smith. I have no idea. But the Queen Elizabeth, older Queen Elizabeth, hates the Doctor. Yeah, that's right.

And it's never explained why. And she's like, why does Queen Elizabeth hate him? He's like, I it's and it's never explained why and he's like she's like why does Queen Elizabeth hate me I don't fucking know let's get out of here yeah yeah and it turns out to be

for this reason but little things like that I really really enjoy yeah you're right it's not but it's not it's not casual fan friendly well I

as a casual fan yeah or non-fan I enjoy I got most of the references yeah I was on board with it but yeah

I mean that in many ways that's not treating the fans as if they're idiots yeah you do have to if this is the 50th anniversary you do have to

tread a fine line between hey maybe we'll get some new fans in and hey let's not treat our actual fans as idiots yeah

and I think they definitely link towards the let's not treat our actual fans as idiots which is fine I think let's switchant towards the let's not treat our actual fans as any idiots. Yeah. Which is fine I think. If we get it, let's switch media just for one second. I feel that's how

DC lost me. DC Comics lost me with the New 52. Oh, you're one of those! I'm one of those people because I feel I feel like I'm just making noises. That universe had been chugging along quite merrily for about

25-30 years that particular iteration of that universe and then with the new 52 they've kind of said hey

all the old fans we don't care about you because you don't you're not part of our new media strategy these are all more

we've just rebooted everything so it's more kind of movie friendly and action figure friendly and so do you think

that's what happened though when they did the similar thing Infinite Crisis or whatever it was in the 80s? Do you think there would have been those same people who were like, I've been reading comics since I was a babe? Yeah, no, I see what you're saying there, but I feel that that reboot, the Crisis Infinite Earths reboot... Used to clean it up? Yeah, it cleaned it up, but it also kept the previous universes sort of in a context. They still existed in that timeline, in a way. Okay, fair point, yep.

And Superman's punching through realities and whatever. That was a bit silly, though. Anyway, back to Doctor Who. Yeah. Okay, that's interesting. Did you like the David Tennant appearance? Yes, I did. Iso.

Yep. His hair wasn't as big. I know, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He flattened his hair right down. So that was clearly early, early work. Oh, no, it can't have been. I'm trying to think where it would work.

From where was that Doctor Who? I think it was after Rose Tyler. Yeah, it must have been. Because John Hurt mentions Bad Wolf and he's like, what? And Rose isn't with him. Right, right, right, yeah. You know what I would have liked to seen? What's that?

Seen? Yes. There's another David Tennant Doctor Who, a human Doctor Who, living in another dimension. Oh, that's right, yeah. With Rose Tyler. Uh-huh. That's a great way to bring back Doctor Who in, say, even 20 years, because he can age. Yeah, that's right.

So you can bring back David Tennant when he's 62 or whatever he'll be. Uh-huh. And it will make sense for him to age, because I'm not the time Lord Doctor Who, I'm the human Doctor Who. Does that Doctor Who have all the memories of the previous Doctor Who? He has up to a point. Up to the point where they split. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Where he goes to the other dimension and lives with Rose. Presumably bored out of his brain. Absolutely. Bored out of his... I'm just time travelling right now. I could be anywhere. On the beach in Sheffield. Maybe not that is a beach. Yep. Great. I don time travelling right now. I could be anywhere. On the beach in Sheffield. Maybe not that is a beach.

Yep. Great. I don't know. Yeah, it was great. You know what? I would have liked to see a proper Christopher Eccleston appearance. That would have been nice. They've just used stock footage, right?

Yeah. That's for all the Doctor Who's except for one, which we'll talk about in a minute. Actually, two. Yeah. No, one. I think, and this is a theory of mine and I might be wrong, originally the John Hurt... We're almost certainly wrong.

I'm ready. I got that Batman thing right that one time. Yeah, that one time. That John Hurt role was written for Christopher Eccleston. Yeah. Because he could have been the Doctor who stopped the Time War. That's right I mean they changed

it a bit so that everybody hates John Hurt and whatever because he's the one to start the war but don't you think that would have

not to discredit John Hurt he was great as somebody who'd never been in any previous Doctor Who episodes except for the last one

or in very little sci-fi just generally probably very confused Alien? yeah still he was a I was going to say the robot he's was a robot.

He's not a robot in that. That's the other British guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I would have loved to see... He was even wearing this Christopher Eccleston-esque leather jacket. Leather jacket, yeah. And he changes into Christopher Eccleston at the end and whatever. But I would have loved to see...

We assume so. We don't see that. Maybe he turns into another Doctor Who. That's a good point. You see, it's slightly... It actually stopped and I went back and I... I went back and it looks like he is slowly morphing

into him. Okay, right. But it also means we're up to our 13th Doctor. Which brings me to Yes? I don't think

they're obviously not going to stop at 13. Why would they? Originally it was going to be for those who don't know and if you've listened

this far you clearly know otherwise you would have stopped a long time ago because it just sounds like we're talking nonsense. There are going to be 13 incarnations of the Doctor. And if they slot in the John Hurt Doctor, the Warrior Doctor,

then that pushes everybody else up and it becomes 13. So Peter Capaldi would be the last Doctor. Right. That being said, then he runs into, what's his name? Long scarf guy, Tom Baker Doctor, who's old, who specifically says something like, oh no, I've gone back to this face.

Right. Which means that that's not the original Tom Baker Doctor, but Doctor at some point has then gone back and taken on the Tom Baker form, which is apparently something you can do now. There you go, yeah. So yeah. So I don't think he's limited by that anymore.

Good. Well, I mean, that's a completely arbitrary number that they put in in the 60s where we're never going to get to this no exactly this will literally never happen so and it was a it was a um it was a money saving thing essentially yeah you know oh well this guy can't do it anymore so let's uh just switch them out let's invent this scenario yeah i believe and i may be wrong but i'm definitely right as i am on most things that originally they swapped out the original doctor and he was supposed to be just a young doctor the original doctor sorry

with just a younger version of himself so he wasn't really supposed to be a different person again i haven't seen this this is just what i've read so it's probably wrong so it's supposed to be a younger version then they just went oh let's just get different guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like a James Bond. There's also a theory that James Bond is a time lord. Oh, I hate it. Well, it makes sense. No, it doesn't.

Sure. Yeah. You're right. It does make, let's not even talk about it. Okay. Yeah. Did you like seeing Tom Baker though? Yes, I did.

It was great. Yeah. But I would have, again, if they're going to get Tom Baker, why not get the rest of the team? Yeah. There's so many that are still alive. I don't. Yeah. Most of them I would think, again, if they're going to get Tom Baker, why not get the rest of the team? Yeah. There's so many that are still alive. I don't... Yeah, most of them I would think are alive.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, they pull one every now and then. Who's the guy who had the salary? I don't know which one he is. Oh, Peter Davison. Yeah, he's in... Five.

I think he's five. Yeah, sounds about right. Yeah, he was in that Children in Need special. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah, that's it. And his daughter, funnily enough, plays David Tennant's Doctor Who daughter in a doctor who episode and then david tennant married her that's great yeah she's pretty hot though okay good well that makes perfect sense then let's

any uneasiness aside that's you know what i did appreciate about this uh this episode is that because i i really enjoyed it up until the last five minutes and then I thought what they were going to do was totally cop out and change the history because Stephen Moffat Stephen Moffat came on board after

did Stephen Moffat come on board after it was revealed that the Doctor killed lots of people in the Time War? I believe so. He'd written a few. He wrote, like, Weeping Angels, Girl in the Fireplace. Two of my favourite episodes. There you go.

So I feel what they were going to do, and again, because I feel that Doctor Who is Stephen Moffat's kind of Mary Sue character, where he doesn't want anything bad to happen to this character and he wants, you know, everything to be great all the time. What I feel that was going to happen is he was going to retcon the scenario. So the Doctor never did kill anyone in the Time War. Oh, okay, yeah.

And so now he's this great hero because he's come up with the solution. Yeah. And it would ruin the timeline. Yeah. And it would ruin everybody's memories and it would make the last few seasons completely invalid. Oh, yeah, that's, yeah.

But he was going to do it because he loves the character so much and he can't bear the idea that the character has done anything villains at all. Yeah. Yeah. And so what they had. And so I assume when they did when the twist happens at the end I assumed that was going to happen.

Yeah. But they have cleverly headed me off at the pass and my many complaints by tweaking it so none of them have any memory of that. So he did in fact save them all. Yes. So the timeline is... Is restored. The timeline is the same.

Yeah. But they all still feel that he was the villain. Yes. They do... Everybody still believes that he killed everyone. Yeah. He didn't. But the timeline remains the same.

They still did that thing that you hate though. Where he is the best guy in the world. Oh, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, yeah, but... Yeah, but they covered that well. Yeah, yeah, that's true, yeah. Because otherwise, yeah, it changes everything, and God, that would be so incredibly confusing.

I know, right? So I'm guessing the rest of the, well, for the near future, Doctor Who's going to be looking for Gallifrey. Yeah, yeah, good point. Does it make it less special, though? It's like Krypton coming back. New Krypton, exactly, yeah.

Yeah, like like is it uh not really I mean they never found Earth on Red Dwarf so no

they could go he could go for another 20-30 years yeah not finding Gallifrey sure yeah

I want to talk plot holes specifically about Gallifrey let's do this I'm ready I'm ready to talk plot holes

I'm sure there are it's like I was born for this moment I'm sure there are a few more more than this one that i'm gonna say but this is um just from the top of my head i'm ready what about the time which i didn't put in my online review because i didn't want to spoil your online review on the internet on the internet machine yep um now and the last day david tennant episode this one, obviously, the one where he dies and he regenerates. In that movie show, TV, BBC show.

Magic Lantern show. Magic Lantern. The master is being tortured through time with drums in his head to bring back the Time Lords, bring them into the present day. Yep. And then they're like, that's great, David Tennant. Everybody who you killed, they're going to bring them into the present day yep and dave and then they're like that's great david tennant everybody who you killed yep they're gonna bring them back and he's like holy shit no you don't know what happened at the end of the war everybody was a monster right gallifrey should never return i'm gonna i'm gonna shut this down forever uh-huh they i hate everybody there

now right and so and that's what he does. Uh-huh. And now, everybody's back. Well, there you go. And that's a good thing. Little kids though. He's brought back a little kid, so that's nice. That's true, yeah.

But don't you think there's some kind of, I don't know. If we get to see Timothy Dalton again, I'm on board. Yeah. Yeah, because he's great. Because he basically just, he shut down,

he killed them twice, essentially. Yeah, yeah. As far as he knows. Right, yeah. Yeah. Okay. But you don't care? Nah, he's willing to live with it. He'll on board. Yeah. Yeah, because he's great. Because he basically just, he shut down, he killed them twice, essentially. Yeah, yeah. As far as he knows. Right, yeah. Yeah. Okay. But you don't care? Nah, he's willing to live with it. He'll be fine.

Alright, I think that's anything else to Doctor Who about? I wonder what Peter Capaldi's outfit will be. Oh! It's make or break for you, isn't it? It really is. It really is such a, yeah. Yeah. Maybe just a t-shirt and jeans? Maybe just a t-shirt and jeans.

Yeah, t-shirt and jeans. Maybe a leather jacket and a tie. And a bandana. Oh, boy. Oh, maybe like Slash from Guns N' Roses. Big top hat. So many possibilities. Maybe like Buckethead from Guns N' Roses.

Oh, KFC bucket on his head. Love it. Oh, geez. Yeah, it's really make or break, the outfit. I'm bated breath. I'm crossing my fingers, man. Do you think it's time, perhaps, for Stephen Moffat to move on? Maybe he'd make another series of Jekyll.

I'm kidding. That was terrible. It's the worst show. So terrible. But he has done new Sherlock Holmes, which is really good. Some of it's really good. Yes. First season was really good. Some of it's really good. Yes. First season was really good.

Episode two of both seasons, not good. Yeah, okay. Episode one of second season, also not good. Which one's that? Episode three of season two, I thought very good. A lot of people don't like the Moriarty characterisation. I think it works really well. Roozle.

Ooh! Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I thought it was good. Yeah, me too. I love that series. I can't wait for the comeback. And I love how they do three at a time as opposed to Elementary,

which I've seen very little of, where they're churning out 4,000 episodes of that a year. Great. Yeah. Fantastic. It is fantastic. Quick shout-out to Gabriel Bruton

for the theme at the start. It's always great. I love it every time. Best theme ever. That's pretty much the episode. Shout out to everyone who's been listening. Yeah. If you've gone this far.

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we sure are again next week don't know what we're going to do. It's going to be great though. Anything... Sure. Anything out of the movies this week?

No. Let's do a G.I. Joe one. Oh, great. G.I. Joe retrospective. Great. We can play with all the toys. We can play with the Terrordrome battle set.

I never had any G.I. Joe toys. Wow. I had Kors. What? The poor man's G.I. Joe. Oh, we can play with all the toys. We can play with the Terrordrome battle set. I never had any G.I. Joe toys. I had Kors. What? The poor man's G.I. Joe. Oh, the Kors. Kors.

The Kors. I thought they were Kors. No, the Kors action figure in the band. Yeah. I only had the guy

though. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You could get the girls, but you had to get the guy as well.

Yeah, you had the guy. Yeah, that's the rule. That was always the fantasy. You get to buy all the action figures of the girls, but you had to get the guy yeah yeah that's the that's the rule that was always the fantasy you get to buy all the action figures of the girls we had to get the guy as well gross still would still would all right thanks everyone thanks for listening bye