The Weekly Planet - Avatar (Extended) - Caravan of Garbage

Episode Date: December 15, 2022

Avatar 2: The Way Of Water is in the process of blowing the doors off your local cinemaplex, but before we revisit the world of Pandora lets all revisit the world of Pandora but in 2009. With huge adv...ancements in motion capture, virtual environments and CGI Avatar remains the literal biggest movie of all time. And now we see whether or not we believe it holds up for us in our final Caravan Of Garbage review for the year. Thank you for all the support in 2022. SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jN Video Edition ► https://youtu.be/miCWMZfU_Vk Help support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/ Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymovies James' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymovies Maso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanet Amazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:55 we're doing the road to Avatar 2. We took a look at the abyss. A bit of piss, maybe? What? Was it a bit of piss? Oh, absolutely, yes, sure. A man dunked his hand in a toilet. And he had a toilet-stained hand for the entire rest of the movie.
Starting point is 00:01:10 So, yes, it was a bit of piss. Then we looked at Titanic, 1997. Sure. And now, of course... A bit of piss. A further bit of piss. And now we're taking a look at Avatar from 2009, Mason. Some would say the perfect precursor to Avatar 2.
Starting point is 00:01:25 Some would. And I wouldn't disagree. Yeah, absolutely. So I would say that I never loved this or even really liked it. And that's not to be like, it's got no cultural impact. Fuck you if you like it. Well, it's interesting because we are at a time of cultural reckoning. What have we done?
Starting point is 00:01:44 That's right. That sounds bad. We're going gonna cancel everyone and then ourselves but you know this this movie came out in 2009 and so a lot of people would be re-watching it for the first time in a decade or perhaps watching it for the first time you know younger people watching it for the first time with fresh eyes i haven't seen this movie since 2009 yeah and so now it is time for everybody to sort of get together and re-watch it and go is this anything is this anything yeah it's it's it's schrodinger's cat person it's uh sure in a lot of ways we don't know if it's good or not i think i still feel a bit like that i think though you cannot obvious mason you spat a drink i'm so surprised i mean obviously though you you can't
Starting point is 00:02:29 discount that it's an absolute technical marvel like it's still it still looks incredible despite being you know 10 plus years old and i and i cannot dispute the box office no returns you know i saw it once in 2009 and to the best of my recollection never again you saw it in a j a JB Hi-Fi when you went in and they tried to sell you a big TV. That's on every TV. And I'm like, but I already have a sort of big TV. And they're like, you should get more bigger TVs. More and bigger TVs with JB Hi-Fi. But like untold, millions of people saw it multiple times.
Starting point is 00:02:58 Yeah, exactly. Making it one of the most popular films of all time. But I was never compelled to go back. Now we're forced to come back by the algorithm. I'll say this, Mason. I think all the goose and the water and the foliage, all the little wet dogs running around, it's amazing. There's never a second where you're like,
Starting point is 00:03:16 this is not a real jungle, despite it for the most part. What about when Jake Sully goes to touch some plants and they go, foomp? What about then? Does that break your immersion? When and they go, Fump? What about then? Does that break your immersion? When they all went, Fump? I'm caught up in the moment, Mason. I'm caught up in it.
Starting point is 00:03:30 So no, it doesn't bother me. I think maybe that's the moment where I... The Fump bit. Yes. Yeah, but I think the balance of having the natural elements of this world being close enough to Earth but also slightly foreign in a lot of ways means you can sort of relate to it and believe it and not be like, this is garish and I don't like it.
Starting point is 00:03:50 I think it could have tipped over into 2 Neon or I know they were going to go with a Blue Jungle at one point. I think even that would have been way too much to look at for this long. That's interesting because I started re-watching this for the first time and I'm like, okay, all right, getting on board with this. I'm liking this sort of, you know, military industrial aesthetic we've got going on. Oh, just quickly, did you watch The Extended, which I did? No.
Starting point is 00:04:13 It's got more Earth stuff at the start. I watched Regular. Regular, okay, fair enough. Yeah, I watched Regular. Anyway, sorry, continue. Yeah, so I watched this and I'm like, this is an exciting, you know, sort of a military industrial aesthetic. I'm liking this.
Starting point is 00:04:23 I'm loving the ships. They do look real. We're seeing, you know, a protagonist, Jake Sully. He's in a funk. He's grown greasy hipster hair, hasn't he, James? Disgusting. Gross. How far this man has fallen.
Starting point is 00:04:35 We're seeing the various machinations of all the human characters. We're planting the seeds of just all these people that are going to get theirs, obviously. Yeah. Your Giovanni Ribisi is this kind of... No, he just kind of, like, slumps his shoulders and gets onto a plane at the end. He's like... He doesn't get skewered. Yeah, but that's the ultimate comeuppance
Starting point is 00:04:55 for a really rich executive type. They go, I didn't get exactly what I wanted. And we in the audience are like, hooray! The best we can hope for. He'll probably get a promotion regardless. But then I think it's when Jake Sully wakes up in his Avatar body. Yeah. And at that point I'm just like, something's not right about this.
Starting point is 00:05:16 Yeah. It's the uncanny valley and, you know, that's been talked to death, I think. But these, from a technical standpoint, all this is incredible. And, you know, the- Is it a design thing for you, do you think, maybe? I think. But these, from a technical standpoint, all this is incredible. And, you know, the... Is it a design thing for you, do you think, maybe? I think it's the mouth movements. Okay. In retrospect.
Starting point is 00:05:30 But I remember you saying at the time... Oh, this is going to be great because I don't remember anything I said at the time. You're going to get cancelled for this, by the way. Oh, no. That you were impressed by the teeth. You're like, good teeth, though. No, I don't think I said that. I 100% remember you saying good teeth.
Starting point is 00:05:43 Because looking at this now i was like he was right about my teeth okay this will be looking good all right yeah okay well then maybe it's the lip movement that i don't care it might just be something in that lip teeth tongue matrix situation there but i i don't know i think they're just too close to being human without being human and it set something off in my brain that made me go i don't want to say this for another decade at least. We talked about this when we talked about Titanic, I think. Titanic is a wonderfully produced movie that looks incredible and brings you back to another time.
Starting point is 00:06:16 But to the bare bones of it, it's just a fairly simple romantic drama premise. And this is kind of the same. The world does look amazing, but it is is kind of the same the world does look amazing but it is just kind of you know as people say it's pocahontas and well exactly etc jake sully is brought into this mix of uh of this you know this this military corporation and then he's brought into this world of beautiful soulful native people and there's scenes where he's strategising with the military types and they're like, yeah, we're going to get those Na'vi, we're going to steal their stuff, we're going to get them.
Starting point is 00:06:52 And Jake Sully's like, yes. I'm on board with this. I'm not going to turn at any point. Of course he is, come on. I think, look, similarly for me, I want to be swept up in this world in the way that I know so many people are. I want to be caught up in the emotion of it and the romance and fall in love with the creatures and the people and all of that
Starting point is 00:07:14 and look at all the shiny trees and rocks. You sure? I look at this for the most part. Put that on the poster. Look at all the shiny trees and rocks. I mean, there's obviously that moment where they go to a region of the world where there are just giant floating mountains and stuff. And that was pretty incredible. Yeah. But that's the thing though. I look at this and I don't feel anything. And I don't
Starting point is 00:07:36 think it's because it's artificial. I think a big part of it is that I don't like Jake Sully. And I don't necessarily think this is a performance thing, but just the way he kind of rolls into a new environment, not when he's in the wheelchair, when he's actually got legs, and he's just like poking stuff. He's like, what's this? And he's pointing his gun and he's yelling at creatures. And he's just a moron. Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:58 And like you said, though, he's also so transparently stupid that you know that he's going to turn. Okay. I didn't say transparently stupid. you know that he's gonna turn okay but i didn't say transparently stupid you put that word in my mouth like that thing that i said about the teeth that i didn't say but the fact that he that he walks into this environment in this body that's probably worth a billion dollars plus and just nearly immediately burns it just nearly immediately just wrecks this piece of technology because he's just a moron. And I just, I don't like him.
Starting point is 00:08:29 I don't believe him. I don't like it when he gets their big tree shot down. And then he's like, you had to know that I knew this was going to happen, but I was here to tell you that you should move. What do you mean? That's not an excuse. Would you say that it is similar to the plot of the movie Armageddon where they send, what is it, drillers? Who are the guys?
Starting point is 00:08:51 Yeah, oil drillers or whatever. Yeah, to do the job of scientists. Yeah. Is it that it doesn't make sense that they would get this guy in when they could have, just because the Na'vi body, the Avatar body was expensive and he shares DNA with his brothers, wouldn't it make more sense that a multi-billion, trillion dollar corporation that runs stuff around the entire galaxy
Starting point is 00:09:15 would just build another body and have it controlled by somebody who might act appropriately for the situation? I completely agree. But at the same time, they also demonstrate why that's not a good idea because he's like the best guy on the situation. I completely agree. And I think, but at the same time, they also demonstrate why that's not a good idea because he's like the best guy on the planet. But I think the reason that he is Yeah, it kind of worked out pretty well for him, didn't it, James? Yeah, well, that's the thing. Egg on your face.
Starting point is 00:09:33 Alien larvae egg on your face, probably blue. I think the reason... Or green, different colour than a regular egg. But I think the reason he's the best guy on the planet is because he's so empty-headed and he just runs into environments without thinking. Like, you know how he gets the big red bird
Starting point is 00:09:47 and that's really impressive. I think anybody who's got the big red bird, that's anybody who's stupid enough to attempt it. Sure. Because a normal person wouldn't do that.
Starting point is 00:09:57 Yeah, right. And I think also, if I got the big red... A lot of chosen ones are the bottom of a chasm. Exactly. But I think... I think I'm probably the chosen one.
Starting point is 00:10:05 I reckon I get that bird, the big red bird, I reckon. Easy as, just jump on it, put my hair thing in its neck or whatever. Easy as, mate. I think if I got the big red bird also, I would just tell everybody how to do it. Oh, yeah, you just go above the bird. Like, I don't think it's really that much of an ancient mystery. I guess the trees like him or whatever.
Starting point is 00:10:24 It's more an angle thing It's more trigonometry It's more trigonometry yeah Because the fact that you know Should have got that other nerd to do it then He could have figured it out I don't like the other nerd either because Okay to be fair though
Starting point is 00:10:35 Jake Sully should have read literally anything about this world that he's going to Because there's so many moments where he's like What's the big floating mountains? And the guy's like What are you an idiot? You don't know the big floating mountains? Oh, you're here to interact with the Nabi, are you? Name five of their sacred rituals.
Starting point is 00:10:50 Yeah, he's a weeb, basically. He's a weeb for this fucking planet. So I don't like him either, though. Who do you like in this movie? I like... I like Giovanni Ribisi because he's slimy. I like Sigourney Weaver, taking out prisoners, gets out of the pod, immediately starts smoking.
Starting point is 00:11:04 Love it. I like Zoe Saldana. I like the dude with the big scar down his face. I like him. Oh, the big scar face. Sure. Yeah. I like all of that.
Starting point is 00:11:10 I like Michelle Rodriguez. She's in this. She is. I'd forgotten, but she is. Yes. I don't know. I just think he's just really unpleasant and stupid. And he just, he's got a complete lack of self-awareness.
Starting point is 00:11:23 But also he's's I don't know I just I just don't like him And I don't know why the trees like him I don't get it Right, uh-huh Because they can twist him, I guess I guess that's why they like him
Starting point is 00:11:35 You know, because they can make him do something Yeah, sure I don't know Jump on the big red bird Just jump on the blue You can do it You're probably the chosen one Give it a crack
Starting point is 00:11:43 Give it a crack, mate And if you fall off and fall into a chasm, no big loss, I reckon. Here's something that takes me out of this. Okay.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Some of the creatures have the exact sound effects of dinosaurs from Jurassic Park. And I know you probably don't remember that, but that is incredibly distracting
Starting point is 00:11:56 to me to be like, that's a T-Rex or whatever. It's the same sound file. It's literally the same. Is that because James Cameron borrowed those
Starting point is 00:12:03 from Spielberg or is it because they're just stock sounds? Probably an ILM thing or whatever. Ah, yeah, good point actually, yes. Is that because James Cameron borrowed those from Spielberg or is it because they're just stock sounds? Probably an ILM thing. Oh, yeah, good point, actually, yeah. That being said, I think this... They both got them off the same 1,000 sound file CDs. That's right, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:15 Public domain. Shareware. That's why at the end of this movie in the credits, James Cameron's like, now if everybody could subscribe to the shareware, if everybody could put five bucks in an envelope and send it to this address I'll make another one in 13 years if you do this yeah but I think also there's so many things that this does well in terms of even just like execution of
Starting point is 00:12:34 action because I think there are some action sequences and the flying and all of that is really solid stuff because they basically film this in a virtual environment which hadn't been done before like you basically got the actors in mo-cap suits. Are you about to explain green screen to me? No, no, it's not green screen. You've got them in mo-cap suits, and you're looking at them through a monitor, and this is the first time where you see them as an avatar person,
Starting point is 00:12:53 and then you can watch them jump across a plant or whatever. Okay. And that's... How are we going to get over this plant? I know. Hop! We've done it. And now the tree likes me, I think.
Starting point is 00:13:04 Yeah. Well, do you think there's a lot of busted takes I know. We've done it. And now the tree likes me, I think. Well, do you think there's a lot of busted takes where everybody in their ping pong ball suits is just looking over at the monitor? As women, our life stages come with unique risk factors, like high blood pressure developed during pregnancy, which can put us two times more at risk of heart disease or stroke. Know your risks. Visit heartandstroke.ca.
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Starting point is 00:15:05 rakuten.ca pour en avoir plus pour votre argent. C'est R-A-K-U-T-E-N. to drown you i guess we we need to talk about also uh the 3d element of this which obviously is lacking now if you're watching it on a regular tv unless you're the one guy who bought a 3d tv i did have one but it was by default mason it just came with my tv and i turned it on once and went hate this but i remember a lot of this guy oh my steak came with caviar it just comes with that i don't know it was a standard feature restaurants i go to it was standard at the time wow but it wasn't good wow didn't even fit in the back of my mentally but i just think i remember the first sequence where he slides out
Starting point is 00:15:56 of the pot and i remember seeing that in the movies and just seeing all the depth of the background and thinking to myself wow that, that's really impressive. And then either forgetting about the 3D element of it or finding it distracting. But I think this is still probably the best use of that. But it certainly wasn't worth it for just four to five years of very average movies being post-converted into 3D. Like, did I want to see Resident Evil Retribution in 3D? You did, so that's a bad example.
Starting point is 00:16:24 Give us another one. I don't have another one. Okay, right. But I just... 100%. How frustrating was it, though? I just remember at the time being like, you're going, okay, can I do the non-3D? Oh, there's no non-3D.
Starting point is 00:16:35 Okay, so I've got to pay extra to see this movie in a way that I don't want to see it. And I know James Cameron... Thank you for letting me pay $25 for a headache. Thank you. I appreciate that, actually. And I know also James Cameron is now looking for a way, and I think he would have done it if the technology had have caught up, to have 3D without glasses.
Starting point is 00:16:53 Oh, that's called real life, James. Jim, if I can speak to you for a moment. That's called going to the theatre, Mason. That's called touching grass, Jim Cameron, which you don't know anything about. No. Because it's not your whole deal. No, it's really not.
Starting point is 00:17:06 The deal is in the water. Yeah. Guess what's come in very handy. Oh, you've got your napkins. You've got your little napkins. That's right. Someone mocked my little napkins earlier. No, I just wondered why you had a bag full of napkins.
Starting point is 00:17:17 That's all. For these exact situations. Because you're a grub. Yeah, because I'm a grub, exactly. I think, though, towards the end of this movie, and I watched it over three days, so I split it up. As James Cameron intended. Yeah, I just...
Starting point is 00:17:30 Have people seen the recent interview with James Cameron where someone asked him, when's a great time to leave Avatar 2 for a pee break? And he said, any time you want, because you can watch that scene again when you come back. Bold. And I will, Mason. Or to be fair, I saw Avatar 1 twice at cinemas.
Starting point is 00:17:48 Because I saw it and I went, I was jet lagged when I saw that. Because I'd just come back from an overseas trip and I went, I don't think I got it. I'll go back. And then 10 minutes in I went, no, I got it. This is not for me. Hello, Qantas. Yes, it's James again. I wanted to apologise.
Starting point is 00:18:04 I thought you'd ruined my experience but actually it was the movie's fault so i i will say though i was invested in the ending and and the big battle but i think battle is is it's big it's undeniably huge yes yeah yeah you're not gonna you're not gonna deny the sheer scope and scale on it. No, there was freaking things flying all over the place. Wasn't there just? There's fire in that. Yeah. Stuff exploding.
Starting point is 00:18:29 You tip the ship like in True Lies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember that bit? Mech guys. Well, here's the thing. It's a mech versus an alien like in the movie Aliens, but it's reversed because the alien is the good people. Doy, oy, oy, oy, oy.
Starting point is 00:18:39 Doy, oy, oy, indeed. I did really enjoy seeing the scale when you see a human next to one of these things and when one of them gets pinged with one of those arrows, it's like, oh, that's a javelin. Yeah. So I enjoyed that thoroughly. I guess the question is at the end when he goes into his Na'vi body because the tree likes him. Is that a Na'vi version of Jake Sully? Is that Jake Sully or is that a copy of Jake Sully?
Starting point is 00:19:01 Does the original Jake Sully, is he still left in his original body and they just throw that into the pit of heroes? Oh, it's the classic transporter question. Exactly. When someone is transported in Star Trek, are they moved body and soul to a new location or is the original body torn into its component molecules and tossed across the universe and then when they're put back together
Starting point is 00:19:20 it's just a completely different guy and the original's dead. Yeah. I think the second one. I agree. No, I think it's a soul thing. Yeah? Yeah, because it's the tree completely different guy and the original's dead yeah i think the second one i agree no i think it's a soul thing yeah yeah because it's the tree and the thing and the magic i don't know because the way they talk about the technology of this universe or the magic is that it's a big internet remember sigourney weaver's like this tree's an internet you don't
Starting point is 00:19:38 know nothing and johnny revere but she didn't have a full understanding of the tree okay fair enough and you do yeah okay i've seen this movie twice now yeah i guess you do know what's going on with okay well maybe it's maybe it's more accurate to your theory and in the second one he'll just be every 30 seconds he has to stop what he's doing he has to stop the hunt with the navi because he has to remove pop-ups from his field of vision it's got malware it's like one of those news sites you open there's a there's an auto playing video in the corner Where's the X to get rid of it? I can't.
Starting point is 00:20:06 And, you know, he's like, I just want to do this ritual, but I've looked it up and there's a huge backstory at the start of it. Oh, you know what I would love? If in any of these sequels there's original Jake Sully who didn't get transferred over. Oh, you think he's got his greasy hair back? Yeah, and he's gone evil because he couldn't live with the trees or whatever. That's pretty good.
Starting point is 00:20:25 I like that a lot. I like that idea that I have. I'm good, and I know what I'm doing. Mason? Yes? Is it time for green trivia and when that guy shouts Rodney? Yes. It's right.
Starting point is 00:20:35 It's happening now. It's happening right now. Director James Cameron, now you know this more than anybody, Mason, he's known for being tough on set, and he allegedly- Do you think I know that better than anyone, or any of the actors he's worked with or crew members? I think you have a fair understanding, but maybe not as much as the people he tried to drown.
Starting point is 00:20:50 Yes. He allegedly kept a nail gun on set that he would use to nail cell phones that had the misfortune of ringing to a wall above the exit sign. So your phone goes off. Wow. Yeah. I think he just wants to work at one of those bars where everybody's rude to the customers.
Starting point is 00:21:06 And if you come in with a necktie, I'm going to chop that necktie off because this place is, we're here to work, we're also here to party. You can tie it around your head though? Yeah. Yeah, cool, man. Director James Cameron actually took the cast and crew to Hawaii. Imagine Europe, you're one of his assistants, you have to go down the hardware store to buy a nail gun.
Starting point is 00:21:25 Yeah, this is James Cameron. Yeah, he's going to nail people's phones to the wall. Is he allowed to? No, but he's doing it. So director James Cameron also took the cast and crew to Hawaii where they spent their days trekking through the forest and jungles in order to get a better sense of what it would be like to live and move around in the jungles of Pandora
Starting point is 00:21:44 since those real physical sets, Mason, they didn't even mostly exist for the most part. There wasn't even big sets. Whoa. They built some jungle, but it mostly wasn't any jungles, Mason. However, the cast and crew spent their nights at the Four Seasons Hotel. Typical Hollywood, Mason. Typical Hollywood. Soft-handed.
Starting point is 00:22:02 That's right. Just dainty-wristed. More like Holly-weird. Swanning about. Don't right. Just dainty-wristed. More like Holly Weird. Swanning about. Don't like it. Maseratis all day. I've just got a note here that says Blue Harvest. Do you know anything about that?
Starting point is 00:22:17 I don't know anything about that, no. Isn't that the working title of the original Star Wars? The original Star Wars, yeah. Okay, there we go. Before we talk box office, though, this last bit of green trivia is that this was the most pirated film of 2010. It had 16.58 million downloads on BitTorrent, which also goes to show that piracy doesn't necessarily affect
Starting point is 00:22:36 a movie's box office performance. Because a lot of times people pirate movies, it seems, and this is from research, when they're probably not going to see it anyway. Yeah, it's true. Not always, not exclusively. But I don't know about you, but I will happily pay for something if you just make it available. Sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:52 Just make sure I can have it. I can get it. Well, I'm the opposite. I will only pirate something if it is available. Okay, good. Yeah. If it's not available, I just stand my feet. I'm like, I want it.
Starting point is 00:23:03 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Box office, though. Now, James Cameron, again, like he did on Titanic, he foregoed, he forgot it, his fee, because it blew way out of proportion. He forewent his fee?
Starting point is 00:23:14 Yes, because of all the emerging technology which they pioneered and used for this, which I also don't think I've highlighted enough. This is just an amazing tech demo of what is possible in virtual cinema and spaces. This made the movie Tintin possible, which from what I've heard, people seem to like that. I haven't seen it. But imagine the world of Tintin.
Starting point is 00:23:33 Terrific. Captain Haddock is there. Yep. Little dog. Snowy. There's two guys or whatever. Johnson and Johnson. But they're not twins, are they?
Starting point is 00:23:42 Or brothers? It's Thompson and Thompson. Is it? Yeah. But they're spelled different. The other's they or brothers it's thompson and thompson is it yeah those are the shampoo but they're spelled different the others the shampoo yes yeah yeah uh so yeah it cost 237 million dollars again mostly because it was pioneering so much of it and it took like five years to make though he first had the idea in like the mid 90s and couldn't do it for you know obviously dr calculus oh very good also in intent oh dr calculus but it Also in 1010. Oh, Dr. Calculus. But it made, as a result of re-releases, $2.92 billion.
Starting point is 00:24:08 It made $2 billion in its first 35 days. So initially this wasn't like a huge hit as soon as it went to cinemas, but it built. It built and built, and it also opened up the idea of... Incredible word of mouth. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe.
Starting point is 00:24:23 They gave me glasses. I kept them. They said put them in the bin at the end. I kept them. Maybe you'll be swept Yeah. I don't know. Maybe. They gave me glasses. I kept them. Yeah. They said put them in the bin at the end. I kept them. Maybe you'll be swept away. I wasn't. Maybe somebody,
Starting point is 00:24:30 the poster says you'll be swept away. I wasn't, but maybe you'll be swept away. I wasn't. Yeah, I wasn't. To be clear, I was not swept away. I've seen it again.
Starting point is 00:24:38 Yeah, because maybe this time I'll be swept away. But I wasn't. The first time I was, maybe you will be. I would like to know if people were swept away though. Hey, wait a sec. I looked at this poster and it says, maybe you'll be swept away but i wasn't the first time i was maybe you will be i would like to know if people were swept away though wait a sec i looked at this poster and it says maybe you'll be swept away and you weren't yeah oh no there's a picture of me how's he doing this so yeah so this not pioneered
Starting point is 00:24:56 but it really solidified and this is also after like lord of the rings that december is a key window to open in for a blockbuster because you've basically got a clear run to February. That's true. And this definitely had that. It was also bolstered by 3D because tickets were more expensive, which obviously makes sense. You've probably heard this story also, Mason, about Matt Damon. He was offered the role.
Starting point is 00:25:18 He said, too bad, I'm too busy being holy weird. Maybe. Or maybe I'm too busy being the realest guy you've ever seen because he's from Boston or something. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. They're all pretty real there, aren't they?
Starting point is 00:25:27 They're very real. Yeah, yeah. So he was offered 10% of this movie. Parking the car in Harvard, yeah. Reverse park? Yeah, reverse park
Starting point is 00:25:36 in the car in Harvard, yeah. That's great. So he was offered 10% of the movie's income if he took on this role, which I'm pretty sure that Sam Worthington wasn't offered. I'm pretty confident. Interesting, okay. I'm pretty sure that Sam Worthington wasn't
Starting point is 00:25:45 offered. I'm pretty confident. Interesting. Okay. I'm pretty confident. Okay. But was, was Damon offered 10% of the gross or 10% of the net? Because as I understand it in a lot of instances, they're like, yeah, we'll give you, we'll
Starting point is 00:25:57 give you 10% of the profit. Oh, we didn't make any profit. That's weird. You owe us money. Yeah, that's right. Give us the mocap suit. You have to wash it though. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:04 I mean, we made, we made $2.9 billion but the parking was really expensive so actually we didn't make anything. Well, apparently he would have made about $250 million. Okay. So however that works. But no, he was committed to the Bourne franchise at the time. But look, I'm sure he made up for it in crypto scams or whatever.
Starting point is 00:26:21 Mason. Mason. Yes. I'm tut-tutting because you didn't give me the chance to also make that joke. Really? James. James, please.
Starting point is 00:26:32 Please leave a pause so I can say that instead. Now, I'd love to know what people think of this movie, though. And you know what? I just, I want to be. Swept away. I want to be invested in this. I really want these sequels to be good because I just feel like there's so many elements of this
Starting point is 00:26:48 and I like James Cameron as a filmmaker that I just... Why can't I be swept away, Mason? Great point. Why not me? Because you're dead inside. Yeah, maybe. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:56 Yeah. Anyways. And outside. Yeah, that is true. Anyways, Mason, did you know... You know this, actually. Is it about Matt Damon? No.
Starting point is 00:27:04 Okay. Did you know that this is the last Car. Is it about Matt Damon? No. Okay. Did you know that this is the last Caravan of Garbage for the year, unfortunately? Whoa. Now, we are going to be taking a break until about late January. There's still going to be stuff going up on the channel, including new videos until the end of December. But if anyone has any requests for what they want to see next year, leave them below because there's a lot of movies. Yeah. And I'm looking at them
Starting point is 00:27:25 and we haven't maybe even hit 50% yet. Right. Yeah. And we've been barely swept away by any of them, quite frankly. And look, if you're out there and you're a big fan of something and you want to tell us all about it, that'd be terrific. But if you're out there and you're not a big fan of anything, but you are massively tapped into the like SEOs and algorithms and stuff, and you know about a property that we can, we can analyze and get a million views on yeah that would be great that's what we want actually yeah that's right fans of stuff get out of here big algorithm nerds let us know but before we take a break though our podcast the weekly planet where we talk movies and comics and tv shows we are going to cover Avatar Too Many Waters. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:05 So that's going to be our upcoming episode. And in addition to that, you can actually hear that early on Sunday as opposed to Monday, including seeing videos like this early, including bonus podcasts, including movie commentaries. If you head over to our private Patreon at bigsandwich.co, which is also legally distinct from Patreon. That's exactly right. Yes. We haven't been threatened yet, but it's good to get ahead of it.
Starting point is 00:28:24 You know? Yeah. We don't have a crypto money. We don't have that Mason? That's exactly right, yes. We haven't been threatened yet, but it's good to get ahead of it. You know? We don't have a crypto money. We don't have that. It's true. To protect ourselves. But again, thank you so much for everybody who supported it. But again, thank you. But thank you just...
Starting point is 00:28:34 Maybe I don't want to thank anybody, Mason. Maybe it's my brain telling me nobody deserves anything. Okay, terrific. But I just want to say a big thank you to everybody for supporting us this year. Again, there's still videos going up before the end of the year, including the biggest bombs and hits of the year. But we really, really appreciate
Starting point is 00:28:52 it because it means that we can both do this and earn somewhat of a living from it. That's terrific, isn't it? Big time thanks for everybody who is watching these videos. Click and like. Click and subscribe. And big time thanks to both Ben and Lawrence who edit these. That's right.
Starting point is 00:29:06 Because that can't be very fun, I'd imagine. Absolutely not. We go off on our flights of fancy, don't we? We certainly do. All right, thanks, everybody. Grabbed our gem, you guys. Merry Christmas, if I can even say that these days. No, you're under arrest.
Starting point is 00:29:20 Oh, my God. Well, happy holidays. Tim Allen's coming to get you. No! Or to save you? What does he think? I, happy holidays. Tim Allen's coming to get you. No. No, or to save you? What does he think? I can't remember. I don't care what he thinks.
Starting point is 00:29:30 See you next year. Bye. But still towards the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't leave. Don't ever leave. And there'll be stuff going up regardless. Just watch old videos and imagine we're still around.
Starting point is 00:29:39 But there's also going to be compilations of stuff going up, so don't even worry. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship compilations of stuff going up, so don't even worry. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London.
Starting point is 00:29:56 One woman has a secret. The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+.

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