The Weekly Planet - Fantastic Four: Rise Of The Silver Surfer - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: April 9, 2020

It's really great to definitely say that this is probably the best Fantastic Four movie by default. So here we are, Rise Of The Silver Surfer from 2007. With the whole cast returning and the plot centered around Chris Evan's Johnny Storm malfunctioning and the cosmic threat of Galactus portrayed as a giant cloud. All in all it was a full and complete movie that they made and nobody can take that away. Thanks for watching.Help support the show and decide on episodes at Patreon ► https:// patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesSUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNVideo Edition ► https://youtu.be/18-pmVEeYBwJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownTWP Itunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4TWP Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetTWP YouTube Channel ► https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4T-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies#FantasticFour #Marvel #MCU Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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And then after this, we're off to the glue factory. And thank God, quite frankly. Absolute relief. Yeah, so if you could leave a like that for our for the hooves that would be given up that's right yes uh because we of course are talking fantastic four rise of the silver surfer from 2007 i'd probably call it the drudgery of the silver surfer not because the movie itself was drudgery but it seems like he's not enjoying his job you know really there's not a lot of rising of the silver surfer.

No. It's more like, oh, here we go, clocking in and off to find a new planet for Galactus to eat. Yeah, you're absolutely not wrong. Eat, consume. Put his big smoke hands in it. Here's the number one problem with this movie. Yep. I enjoy this one the most of all the Fantastic Four movies

that have come out so far. And it's weird that in this movie that i feel finally kind of sticks the landing in terms of owning how silly it is and kind of having a bit of fun with it they sort of finally nailed down the characterizations yeah they didn't go the extra mile and make the villain galactus a big purple man with a big pointy helmet and he's like you're all doomed right people like who's this big guy right that. What's he up to? That'd be fun. Yeah. But they didn't.

They were just like, in the tradition of movies of this era, they're just like, just make him a cloud. Big cloud. That's what we do now. Initially, you even, when you see the first appearance of Galactus, his shadow moves across Saturn, I think. Yeah. And you see what would be the pointy helmet of Galactus. Yeah. And then it's just a cloud.

Yeah. Pretty good, right? Lame. Yeah. So lame. So, yeah, that's how I remember this movie. It's just, and then it's just a cloud. Yeah, pretty good, right? Lame. Yeah. So lame. So, yeah, that's how I remember this movie. It's just the one where Galactus is a cloud. Yes.

It massively lets down this okay movie. I think it's pretty solid, but we'll get into it. All right. The thing is, at the time, I remember, and we talked about this last week, I remember liking it much more than the previous film. And you were wondering if it's Stockholm Syndrome somehow. Yes, that's right. But there's still so much to hate.

But I do want to talk about some good additions to the lore. Yes. Fantastic Car is mostly accurate to what that is in some incarnations. What I enjoyed about that is Reed Richards has been working on his little secret ride for everybody, and then it arrives and Johnny Storm's like, oh my God, that's amazing. Really? Because it looks dumb.

It looks like a big bathtub is what it looks like. A bunch of bathtubs welded together. But that is what it looks like in the comics. I mean, it's accurate. I'm just questioning Johnny Storm. I think it was the brand on it, though. Oh, because it was a Dodge. It's got a Dodge engine in it.

Why are they flying coach and he's building Dodge flying car prototypes? Right. How did those two things mesh together? I don't know. But all I'm saying is Johnny Storm's like, that's radical. What did you expect him to say? That's lame because it looks lame. And Johnny, he's not impressed by anything.

He's impressed by a bunch of bathtubs. Really? Come on. Yeah, you might be right there. Yeah. The other thing I like about this, Sue he's not impressed by anything. He's impressed by a bunch of bathtubs. Really? Come on. Yeah, you might be right there. Yeah. The other thing I like about this, Sue Storm's not good in this, I will say. And we'll talk about more the performance at the end. Like she's written poorly.

I think Jessica Alba is just doing what she's supposed to do. She's all like, I can't get married. Shut up. So, but there is a moment where she says to Dr. Doom, hey, I can create a force field inside someone's body and explode them if I want to. I'm like, wow, that's dark. Yeah, right.

We don't obviously see it in this movie, but I think that's a good addition. And at one point she spies Mr. Fantastic on his bachelor party. He's in a nightclub and he's dancing with some beautiful ladies and she gets real mad at him. And then she says, but it's okay because you don't know what I got up to at my bachelorette party and i'm like did she murder a guy you know all her friends like get together and murder a guy is that the dark secret

yes the darkness within her she was like hey gals check this out she put a force field in somebody's brain and burst him and she just made it all invisible and she's just holding that thought keeping that guy so no one ever finds him terrific i also i don't know if their marriage is going to work out if she's so mad at him for having a dance on his bachelor party yeah but it's the it's the whole situation that he's in isn't it is it yeah he's showing off he's being a big goose but it's his lots he's bloody last night before the bloody ball and shade him all right but she wasn't really that mad at him like that wasn't an ongoing plot point that you dance at your party. It was just like, what are you doing, idiot?

Because he is an idiot. You're wearing a sweater vest. You're not cool. No, that's right. I guess he's also worked out how to make all of his clothes stretch, but whatever. I also think the Silver Surfer is great. The flying in at the start is really ominous,

how the pyramids are covered in snow and whatever. They mo-capped Doug Jones, voice of Lawrence Fishburne. I think it works really well. Doug Jones is the voice of Lawrence Fishburne. I think it works really well. Doug Jones is the voice of Lawrence Fishburne, is what you're saying? That's exactly what I'm saying. He's always provided the voice of Lawrence Fishburne, the famously mute actor. Correct. So Doug Jones, of course, famous for Shape of Water, the current series of Star Trek.

Abe Sapien. Abe Sapien. Look, he's in other things, and I know I didn't name them all, but you don't need to yell at us about it. Well, I'll be quiet then. So I also think Johnny chasing him through the streets of the city is great, and I love that effect, how he morphs through the board. Yes. I think that's quite cool.

I know it's still kind of a 2007 silvery effect, and it's not great from that respect, I guess. You know what my favourite power of his is? Because obviously he's got morph through the board, he's got fly about, he's got affect people's molecules. He'll shoot a thing. He's got a vague sort of cosmic blast kind of thing, but my favourite power of him is like his storytelling abs.

Because at one point he's been tied up by the government, they've caught him and they're like, we're going to get some secrets out of you, but then the invisible woman shows up and asks to hear his story and he tells it through peek into my abs peek into my abs and i've got a story for you yeah and it's just the start of the movie that he's showing in his abs yeah yeah kind of is so i guess that's a power independent of his silver surfer powers that's the power of his race because he doesn't have the board at that point the natives of the planet zenlal can tell stories through their abs, maybe.

Maybe, and that's your incentive to get fit, because the tougher your abs, the more elaborate stories you can tell. Absolutely. Or maybe it's the fattest members of the race who can tell the best stories. Oh, my goodness. White's great. Yes. Perfect.

He's just 4'3", like a real lame one. I also think that Johnny Storm's characterisation is good in this because he learns a lesson. He's kind of unbearable in these movies up to the point where he starts learning a lesson, and then at the end, which actually changed because originally it was Reed's idea for him to take on all the powers, but he takes on all the powers of the Fantastic Four,

and like the Super Skrull, which is a popular Fantastic Popular, it's a known Fantastic Four villain, would you say? Oh beats up dr doom which i really quite enjoy so this movie obviously the finale of this movie they're like why don't we just use the same finale as the previous one where all the the fantastic four use all their powers in unison and what do you do at the end of a fantastic four movie some people use their powers and some people just kick back that's what i'm suggesting that's right yeah you might think that I hadn't thought this through, but I had. My plan, the successful, perfect ending to a Fantastic Four movie

is some of them use their powers and some of them leave. They go on holiday or something. I think using force fields and invisibility, you could get it done. Oh, yeah, for sure. And if it's a punching thing, you get Ben Grimm. It's fine. There is a moment in this where the invisible woman,

she meets the Silver Surfer for the first time, and it's moments before she has to push the button, which is going to activate the field that cancels out his powers and what have you. She's right on the cusp of doing it, but she can't quite get to it. And I'm like, just hit her with a force field. That's what you do. You can do that.

He wouldn't even see you do it. You could blame somebody else for it. Doesn't she have to assemble it a little bit, though? Nah, just poke at it. I think she had to assemble some stuff. Well. You can do that. He wouldn't even see you do it. It's your whole thing, yeah, right? You could blame somebody else for it. Doesn't she have to assemble it a little bit, though? Nah, just poke at it. I think she had to assemble some stuff, didn't she? Well, she could do that. It doesn't really matter, does it? In this movie, she can also look through walls.

She can make invisible... Yeah, it's called a window. Oh, she can... She also has some, yeah, she also has some glazier. She has a Certificate III in being a glazier, yes. Absolutely. So there's a moment in this also, which the director was worried about putting in,

Tim's story, he's back, where Ben Grimm becomes human again briefly and he's like, yeah, I've got cool flame powers and Johnny Storm's like, come on, I'm a rock man, come on. And they're like, is that sad for Ben Grimm to just get his human form back and then they take it away from him? But also...

And he was like, yeah, don't worry about it. But that makes sense to me though because in the last movie they built a machine and he made that choice and if he didn't want to do it anymore just build the machine again it would have been fine so i don't think that's really a debate you need to have he's like actually i prefer being a horrifying rock monster and my girlfriend really digs it yeah weird rock dick that's probably part of it yeah it's in the extended that's this is this for the extent right yeah you know what i enjoyed? This movie starts with a wedding's going to take place. Finally, the wedding between Reed Richards and Sue Storm.

They're finally going to tie the knot. And there's just a lot of kind of, just a lot of home truths being told. Oh, my goodness. Alicia, Ben Grimm's girlfriend, is just like, you suck, Johnny Storm. And everyone hates you. You've got a bad attitude. And he's like, yeah. Yeah, but you know.

You know. What do you do? I'm going to be me. Johnny Storm's going to be Johnny Storm. Bad stuff. Here we go. Johnny Storm's date mentions, how do you date the human torch? And she's like, fireproof lingerie and a lot of aloe vera.

So he's just burning women? He's just burning women. In the bedroom? Yeah. Cool. That's really cool. The Reed-Richards stretching effect has never been good. And they have certainly not perfected it here.

And it is not highlighted any worse than in that horrible dance sequence. I mean, the dance sequence is horrible. And the way he's really into it. I found that. Look, again, overall, I kind of like this movie. But that was very cringy. I had to go to another room and come back while I was watching that. But is that the point, again, overall, I kind of like this movie, but that was very cringey. I had to go to another room and come back while I was watching that. But is that the point?

And that's what I did in the cinema as well. I left and watched something else from whatever year this came out. 2007. I watched... You played Time Crisis in the foyer. I played Time Crisis in the foyer. That's right. But also, he's kind of a cringey scientist guy,

so maybe it works. Maybe it's a spider-man 3 situation exactly what he thinks a cool guy would do in this situation yes exactly also he never really does anything beyond like your comic book reed richards can become like a like a huge like a like a block like a big block or something or like he can become like disguise himself disguise himself he can become you know like thin thin as a bloody strand of hair or something. This guy never... He's just using palm pilots with these weird rubbery thumbs. Right, exactly. That's cool, though, I guess.

So why in these movies are they always having weird naked public hijinks? I mean, obviously it's because Jessica Alba, you know, you get her in her underwear. Like, I understand that. But it's always weird, baffling public displays of lunacy that everybody's just witnessing. I don't know why they get really sponsorship deals or they're respected at all. Because of the naked lunacy.

That's why. I don't get it. I bet they have team meetings every week and they're like, can we do some more naked lunacy? Yeah. Because this is where we get the big bucks. We're masters of marketing, viral marketing. What are we on in 2007?

Friendster. We're loving Friendster. viral marketing. What are we on in 2007? Friendster. We're loving Friendster. That's right. Yeah. I don't know. It's just Hop 8, more like Fantastic Four. Oh, my goodness.

Very good. Also, again, I like the Silver Surfer, but I also love the revelation that at the end he goes, I'm going to sacrifice myself to destroy Galactus. And he does it or whatever. Spoiler alert, he's alive. Who gives a shit? There are sequels to this that never got made.

We'll talk about it. But that means that he could have done that at any point in his career of destroying multiple civilizations. But he's like, I just wanted to save my planet. You still could have saved your planet and sacrificed yourself and saved billions, trillions of lives. But you meet a nice woman and you go,

I'll tell the story through abs and then I'll do the right thing. Reminds me of my gal back home. But the original version of The Silver Surfer had no memory of his past. They should have probably left it at that, right? Probably done that version, yeah. Maybe they give him his memory back and he decides to... Perfect.

I don't know. Why am I fixing this movie from fucking 13 years ago? Nobody cares. Exactly, because that's Ben's job. Hey, Ben, we need a really competent editor of this film. We'll link it below when you've done. We need you to fix this. Special effects included, please.

That's right. More naked hijinks, if you wouldn't mind. That's what gets the clicks. You know it. So there's a Doctor Doom. What do you think? My main concern with Doctor Doom is that he gains the ability to do some vague cosmic stuff

But I mean he was already like He's pretty formidable wasn't he Very formidable He can shoot lightning What more do you want Doctor Doom Surfboard Surf's up He wanted to yell surf's up

And he never got the chance It's his one regret That's true Did he go to jail No he sunk to the bottom of the ocean Is he dead Doesn't matter Doesn't matter

But I mean the ultimate fate fate, in some water. Yeah, that's right. You know what I mean? No one's ever survived that in comic books. Yeah. Anyway, it all ends with a weird Japanese wedding for no reason. That's right. I didn't.

I liked it much less than when I first saw it. But it is better than the previous one. Yeah, right. But bad also. I kind of liked it more this time around. Okay. Maybe it's the weird Japanese wedding at the end. It might be that. Might be your isolation.

Yep. Might be my eyesight. Could be all of these things combined like a fantastic four. Might be my general mental degradation. All of these things combined. Yes, that's right. So for trivia, trivia time every time, never stop, here we go. Trivia time. Our famous segment.

That's right. Jessica Alba, upon receiving criticism about her performance in the film, said that the director, Tim Story, told her, it looks too real. It looks too painful. Can you be prettier when you cry? Cry pretty, Jessica. Don't do that thing with your face. Just make it flat.

We can CGI the tears in. Wow. So, yeah. I don't remember her crying at all. Yeah, she's like, I'm wetting. Ah, okay, right, right, right, right. There was a surfboard there. I guess I tune that out whenever I see a woman crying.

I'm just like, nope, not happening. Or maybe you didn't notice because of the bad acting, basically. Maybe that's also true, yeah. Maybe they didn't put in the CGI tears. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. But Ben will. That's right.

Just oceans of CGI tears. Originally, Nick Fury was going to be in this film, but he was written out of the script and replaced with General Hager,

Captain Holt. But who cares because that guy explodes at the end. He really does, doesn't he? Yeah. He's rocks. Again, I feel like

Doctor Doom's lightning would have done just as good a job. Agreed. He's lightning dudes all day. That suit doesn't look bad, though. I liked it. The Doctor Jones suit?

It's about as good as... I think they got the cloak a bit better. Yeah, probably, yeah. Yeah. Must be hard to see out of that mask. Should have been more green, though. I agree. That's where it's at.

Yeah. Is that not where it's at? Nice forest green. I agree. Very nice. That's where it's at. Yeah. Also, Stan Lee cameos as himself.

Yes, that's right. Which might be the only time in a Marvel film, don't at me, because sometimes his characters are unnamed. Yes. Don't at me. That's right. No, actually, Captain Marvel. That's right. He's on the bus.

Yeah. Don't at me. Unless that is a character who lost the role of Stan Lee to the real Stan Lee in the movie Mallrats. It's entirely possible. That guy got, you know how some people go to a, like actors go to an audition, they're like a scientist, they dress in like a lab coat.

Oh, yeah. This guy, he grew a mustache and he grayed out his hair and he put on some aviators to be Stan Lee. He had surgery. Didn't get the role. Oh, no. Very sad for him. Well, it's probably best they did give it to Stan Lee. I think so, too, yeah.

Yeah. He was born for that role in many ways. I absolutely agree, yeah. Do you want to hear about the sequel? Yes. Because I know you do. Fall of the Silver Surfer. Oh, listeners.

Stumble of the Silver Surfer. Silver Surfer, help, I'm trapped in space. Silver Surfer, I'm off to do my laundry. I'll wait, I don't have any clothes. Silver Surfer. Surf's up, baby. Just watching Abs TV. Just leaning over, look at his own abs.

So, all the cast signed on for three films. That includes Julian McMahon's Doctor Doom. So if you were wondering, was he going to get out of that water? Yes. Just probably get it, swim up. Use his electricity to get out of it. Use his electricity powers, yeah. Make friends with some electric eels.

They'll make him swim into safety. Jamie Foxx did. Yep. Jessica Alba wanted to have Franklin Richards appear in number three. Ah, The Sun. That feels like the natural progression of these films, right? Yeah, I think so. First movie, they get together again.

Second movie, Japanese wedding. Third movie, Franklin Richards. What would they have done with him, though? Because he's an amazing cosmic character who can do pretty much anything. Probably a boy who's good at, I don't know, chess or whatever the fuck they do in these kind of movies. Absolutely, yeah. And they're like, when is he going to get his powers? I hope he'd be annoying.

That's good, right? Me too. Tim's story said he would have liked to have J'mon Honsu as Black Panther. Just add to his bloody resume of being in the Marvel and DC universe in various small roles. I think that would have been a terrific addition. Also, you could have done the Black Panther origin story,

which is linked to that of the Fantastic Four. That's right, and is dumb. And is dumb. We've got a video on it, I think, don't we? Yeah, we do. Dom Payne, who was the co-writer on this, stated that he always loved the Inhumans, probably not now because of that terrible show,

the Skrulls, the Puppet Master, Annihilus, and the Negative Zone. So maybe there were some things he would like to incorporate. Just maybe do all of those in one. I think so too, yeah. Yeah. But, of course, plans for this third installment after the box office results of this. Oh, really?

Yeah, not great. They were out the window as well as a Silver Surface solo film. So there you go. And then, of course, it was eventually rebooted in 2015 because they had to, otherwise they would lose the rights to the film, which was why the first one was made. And why all of these get made. Yeah.

Yeah. And why do they get made, ultimately? Ultimately, that's a really good question. Oh, yeah. Now, you know, who knows what's going to be happening in the future. But before that, of course, we've got to come back for Fantastic Four 2015, which I haven't seen since 2015. Yeah.

We swore off it. We did. We made a solemn vow. But we're happy to break that to do whatever this is. Yeah. We swore off it. We did. We made a solemn vow. But we're happy to break that to do whatever this is. Yes. We can just not break the vow. That's a good point. We might. We wouldn't be breaking a vow and we wouldn't have to see a bad movie.

How about this? This has to get 20,000 likes and we're not coming back. We're not doing it. How many likes do you normally get? I don't fucking know. I don't know. I genuinely don't know. I don't look at it. Wow. Either the entire internet's going to bound together and get us 20,000 likes to make us suffer,

or we're going to get like 10 likes. Yeah. I'm fine with either. Yeah. Yeah. All right. This, of course, is Caravan of Garbage. We do this every week.

We have a Patreon where we throw out polls where people can choose what we get into next. Obviously, next week is sorted. But after that, who even knows at this point? That's entirely up to you. That's right. Got another bad franchise to throw at us? We'll look at it.

We'll unwillingly do it, sure. Yeah. Sounds really good. Also, of course, we have a podcast where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. That comes out every Monday morning. Look, if you're on the commute to, I was going to say work, if you're stuck at home, listen to it if you want. Yeah. Or if you're in the future where this fucking thing's over, great.

Or if you are stuck at home, but you've decided to maintain a sense of sanity, you're going to go through all the normal motions of going to work. So you have some sort of fantasy world where you get on the train, except it's just like your couch. Oh, you're a madman. And you're a madman. And you just sort of mime everything.

Like you just stand there like holding the pole in the train yeah like 45 minutes sure while you can't get a seat while you can't get a seat while you're not even in your deepest fantasies can you get a seat on the train it's all you've ever wanted you gotta see on the train but you never can and then you get to work and you're bloody you're shattered as usual you have to do the whole thing for eight hours anyway if you're doing that, just listen to the podcast. It's a perfect opportunity. Have a grand time, you know? That very specific thing.

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between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+.