The Weekly Planet - Iron Man - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: July 1, 2021

Who new upon it’s release in 2008 that Iron Man original Iron Man would kick off the biggest movie franchise of all time. The MCU is now twenty plus movies deep but it all began with Marvel’s rela...tively small independently budgeted project. Acting as the introduction of Tony Stark and the revival of Robert Downey Jr’s acting career it has all the DNA of what would become staples of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. But also they changed Jarvis to a robot or something so worst movie ever.SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNVideo Edition ► https://youtu.be/mJc_Ab1mJLEHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-s...The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/t...The Weekly Planet Direct Download ►

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Starting point is 00:00:00 FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Hello, everybody. We are back for Caravan of Garbage, the show where we go, all right, we'll do some MCU stuff, all right? That's right, yeah.
Starting point is 00:00:38 It's been a long time coming. Bit of a sombre start there, I thought. You were like, oh. I didn't want it to be, Mason. Let's have an upbeat good time, you know? Here we go. That's what Caravan of Garbage is. All people read the title and go, this is actually my favourite movie and you didn't
Starting point is 00:00:49 get it. Maybe you didn't watch the video. Maybe you didn't get it. Maybe you didn't get the movie when you watched it. Wow! Maybe you've watched this movie 100 times and you don't understand a single word of it. Me? Yeah, you. Oh, no! I've made so many notes! It's just, James, that's just gibberish. I can see it right in front of you. You've no. I made so many notes. James, that's just gibberish.
Starting point is 00:01:06 I can see it right in front of you. You just smeared your own poo. So we are, over the next three episodes, every Tuesday, going to be talking about the Iron Man Trilogy Mason. That's right. Leave a like if you could. The shoot to Trilogy. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:01:23 Remember they were trying to be like, oh, his theme song is always ACDC songs yeah yeah they never got to rock and roll train nobody did nobody got to rock and roll train so stop at all stations presumably to rock
Starting point is 00:01:36 and roll rock and roll city rock and roll city so if you remember in the months and years leading up to this movie it was a big deal for Marvel because they weren't doing well. They'd sold off a lot of their properties.
Starting point is 00:01:50 And the headline was when they announced solo films for like Captain America, Ant-Man, Thor, Iron Man. It was Marvel rolls out their B-team. Yeah, some real dregs. And it was like they're casting with unknowns and has-beens. Hacks. And a lot of people, like, I wonder, in retrospect, I think this movie's aged really well.
Starting point is 00:02:10 I've seen some criticism of it, you know, in the recent past where people have said, oh, you know, it's not that special, is it? But at the time... Yeah, it's very unusual. This, I mean, this was a turning point for Marvel in 2008. They had produced some disasters. They had burned a lot of their existing properties. Like you said, all the hottest properties at the time,
Starting point is 00:02:31 the X-Men, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four. Ghost Rider. Ghost Rider Blade. They had licensed them out for very cheap rates forever, essentially. They still haven't got a number of them back. And again, this is their, the characters they had left to work with were kind of their C list and D list characters. And my favorite character as a kid was Iron Man.
Starting point is 00:02:58 And so I faced a lot of questions like, is he a robot? What's his deal? What's going on there? Explain this to me. Explain it to me. And I was like, I won't. You're going to have to wait for the movie with tom cruise in the 90s well that's the thing yeah because because the rights to this eventually lapsed and went back to marvel but it bounced around multiple studios universal fox new line tom cruise was on board at one point
Starting point is 00:03:19 nick cage was on board at one point i've got a question for you though if they made this movie now and robert danny jr was the age now that he was then, and had had his past with drug abuse and all that, even though he'd come clean at this point, do you think Disney would hire him? Because they have a history of not hiring people like him. Because, of course, this movie was made when Marvel were working with Paramount.
Starting point is 00:03:42 Disney hadn't acquired Marvel at this point. And it was an independent production. It was Marvel-owned. This movie was made when Marvel were working with Paramount. Disney hadn't acquired Marvel at this point. And it was an independent production. It was Marvel-owned. My answer is I cannot know. That's a good answer. For I don't know the mysteries of Disney employing some sort of time-travelling Robert Downey Jr. who doesn't age and is still that age now.
Starting point is 00:03:59 I just don't know. But I thought the question you were going to ask was what do you think this movie would have looked like if it had been made in the 90s? And the answer was absolute crap. Robot jocks. It would look like if anybody has seen the... Robot jocks?
Starting point is 00:04:13 Robo jocks. Robot jocks, obviously. And then Robot Wars, the sequel. But it would look like if anybody has seen the old Captain America telemovies from back in the day where he feigns being sick so he can hijack a car twice. Yep, yep, yep. And he wears a big sort of motorcycle crash helmet.
Starting point is 00:04:34 Yes. That's what this character would look like. 100%. And it'd just look enormously head-heavy and ungainly. Best case scenario, it looks like steel. Oh, yeah. No, for sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:46 In many ways, that's also a worst case scenario. Agreed. We've done a video on it, I think. There it is. So these are some other names that apparently they went to, though not all of these are confirmed. Hugh Jackman. Okay.
Starting point is 00:04:56 Yeah. Clive Owen. I don't hate that. No, I don't hate it either, sure. Timothy Olphant. He's mentioned in a Conan interview that he screen tested the same day as Robert Downey Jr. Okay, pretty good. Like Timothy Oliphant.
Starting point is 00:05:07 I mean, Robert Downey Jr. is perfect, but that's a great choice. Timothy Oliphant, yeah. Sometimes we hear these lists of casting options and we're like, what? What? Why? How dare you? Must have a great agent. You know, that sort of stuff.
Starting point is 00:05:20 These are all good. They're all pretty charming. Yeah. So that's what you need for this character. Exactly. But the thing is as well, it's great casting.
Starting point is 00:05:29 It's perfect timing for Marvel, for Robert Downey Jr. They had the freedom to cast him because it was outside of a regular studio system. He was an absolute
Starting point is 00:05:37 roll of the dice, if you don't mind the pun, Mason, and he will be the footage of when he rolls the dice. Ben will put it in. As I understand it, he isn't the cast member who was paid the most for this movie no that was terrence
Starting point is 00:05:48 howard famously the first man to be hired for the marvel universe yeah and also the uh first man not to be rehired for the next sequel first in first out mate we'll talk real fifo work in this guy we'll talk about that more next week on the recast but going back to this and look i didn't really need to because i've seen it multiple times. It does feel kind of quaint because a lot of this has been replicated since. The template was set and then we see it in an
Starting point is 00:06:13 Ant-Man or a Captain Marvel, like we see it in these origin movies. It is a fairly standard system. You get yourself a flawed hero and then they get into a spot of hot water and then they gain the powers and then they learn a valuable lesson about life. And then somebody shows up who has their powers. And then a blue sky beam shoots into the air and that's the end of the movie.
Starting point is 00:06:33 That's every movie we've ever seen. Every movie. I shan't see another movie that isn't like that. But this was kind of the first one and it works because I think it's not about the sky beams or the suit, really. Yes. The suit is awesome and wouldn't have worked in the 90s. It's because the characters and the performances are really good.
Starting point is 00:06:52 Well, that's exactly it. And I think it's also because they hired somebody like Jon Favreau and, of course, Kevin Feige was also working on this from the get-go. He'd already been a producer in more of a minor role on a number of, like, Fox X-Men properties and a bunch of other stuff so he'd learned a lot of lessons from seeing what you should or shouldn't do with the characters it soaked up a bunch of superhero movie magic into his baseball cap yep and then he slapped it on one more time and he's like here we go here we go but i think john favreau and the
Starting point is 00:07:20 idea that he had to come into this and make it a bit loosey-goosey, there's the famous Jeff Bridges quote, which is... There was no... Oh, wait, we had no script, man. Yeah, so they had, like, this rough outline, but they'd kind of improv the scenes beforehand to kind of get a feel for them and then kind of roll with it in the moment. And it has this kind of... The dialogue feels very natural, and I think... Hey, take one slice of pizza. You have two slices of pizza. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Magic like that. Magic like that. But I think now that's a formula that they may have locked into too much. Right. I think they've managed to bottle it since in a number of films and scenarios. And formalize it and lock it down. Yeah, that's what I mean. I think it's this formula that they kind of, not accidentally stumbled upon,
Starting point is 00:08:04 but kind of crafted and went, this is it. We're just doing... Everyone has a quip and a joke and they'll light up your smoke. You know what I mean. I think it's this formula that they kind of not accidentally stumbled upon but kind of crafted and went, this is it. We're just doing – everyone has a quip and a joke and they'll light up your smoke. You know what I mean? That's right. They're still in the Navy except for Terrence Howard. He got fired. It's interesting because in the 1960s,
Starting point is 00:08:16 Marvel were famous for writing their comics with the Marvel method, which is where the writer would have some sort of loose outline of the plot and then the artist was just allowed to sort of run rampant and draw whatever they want. And it's kind of similar to how this movie was put together. They're like, okay, he's got to start here and end here. But in the meantime, say whatever you want, baby. Yeah, that's it. Tony Stark can have however many slices of pizza he wants.
Starting point is 00:08:40 Two. He has to, yeah. Now that's locked into the Marvel formula. Everybody's got to take two slices of pizza. So there's one moment, I watched a bunch of behind-the-scenes stuff, but where Jon Favreau, it confirms to me that he was the right choice for this movie because I think he's a great director and they're doing the sound design for the film
Starting point is 00:08:57 and it's the scene when he first lands in the war-torn country, whatever it is. I can't remember. I guess I haven't seen it that many times. That's correct. And the first time he's- It's Gulmira. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:09:08 He's in Afghanistan. The first time his repulses kind of crank up, there's a thundercrack noise that Jon Favreau says that they should put underneath it that then is not utilised later in the movie when he uses it. So it's kind of like the first time he fires it up. It's like, holy shit. And then the impact is literally lessened every time since then.
Starting point is 00:09:30 So that's for the audience. So continuity-wise, it doesn't make any sense that they're louder then than later. But that scene just always blew me away. The superhero landing for one. And then he kills all those men. He kills all those men, yeah. Like a superhero would. Well, that's what he's like isn't
Starting point is 00:09:46 he but i remember even the trailer when i first saw this and the moment where it really was solidified for me that like i'm definitely saying this as soon as i can is where he sonic booms past the camera at the very end the suit hits the speed of sand and we have a sonic boom and i'm like that's attention to detail exactly and i think also there's so many little things in this movie that make a huge difference they focused a lot on getting the flying right and a lot of it is practical but they wanted to make it kind of like spider-man's web swinging where when he's learning to fly but he ain't got wings to quote another famous billy jo. It's Tom Petty. I will not let that one stand.
Starting point is 00:10:29 I know that, but I was making a joke. No, you weren't. You were serious and you didn't know. But a lot of this movie is dedicated to him learning to fly because he ain't got wings. Oh, like the Billy Joel song. Like the Billy Joel song. But it's interesting, you know? Because you see in a lot of superhero movies, that's
Starting point is 00:10:45 like, oh, look, Mr. Fantastic is learning to stretch. Who cares? He ain't got wings. He ain't got wings. It's true. I mean, there are a few, there are a few moments that upon, you know, multiple rewatches, you do start to ask some questions. For example, when he flings himself directly into the wall of his garage, why doesn't his
Starting point is 00:11:01 face cave in? Remember that? He's got Vin Diesel's landing on car powers. And speaking of caves, remember the bit where they're here in the incentive building the suit? Yeah. They're supposed to be building a missile, but then it cuts to surveillance footage of them
Starting point is 00:11:13 and they're clearly just building a leg. Just building a leg. What excuse were they going to give if the terrorists bust in? They'd be like, you know the expression kick butt? Well, that's what this missile does. Goes down and kicks butt. That's what this is.
Starting point is 00:11:29 We're building a Wii Fit. Please don't kill us. I want to talk about the suit, though. This is actually Stan Winston's last film, but as he talks about in the behind the scenes, he's like, I don't make anything anymore. I just come in and go, pretty good. Great, yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:41 And then I go home, but he doesn't need to at that point. He's a legend. He's hiring the best. Yeah, but what's interesting about this iron man suit all variations on it is you can technically fit a person inside all of it less so with later movies yes so they make multiple versions for this uh the stuntman or one of the stuntmen mike justice nice like the billy joel song uh the big suit that he's in with all the flamethrowers. The Mark I, yeah. Yeah, the Mark I.
Starting point is 00:12:06 That's all practical. And when he initially put it on, he could only do like an hour or so in it because it's just this bag of metal that you're sewn into. And then by the end, he got so fit that he could do it for like 12 hours. But there's things like that which I think make a huge difference where on set they had the actual set of armor suits of armor all of them and then often they'd replace them with cgi but they still look great because they had that frame of reference there to get the reflections in the detail i knew
Starting point is 00:12:36 one of the reasons they knew they could make this movie was off the back of transformers because metal is something in cgi which you can do realistically, like more so than human skin. I see, right, right. Also, interestingly enough, at the very end of the movie, Robert Downey Jr. is not wearing the suit anymore when he's battling Obadiah Stane. He's just like, I just want to eat pasta. I don't care if I'm bloated.
Starting point is 00:12:57 I don't want to wear this fucking suit. And I think that then carried over into the rest of the movies where he might maybe wear the chest piece. Yeah, right. Because at the start you see him, he's like, oh my God, I love this suit. How cool is this? It'd be Iron Man or whatever. And then by the end, he's just like, I hate this so much and I'm never doing it again.
Starting point is 00:13:13 Yeah. Also, I only got paid half a million dollars and that will not stand from here on out. From this point forward, I want everything from the box office, all the money. Yeah. Here's a question for you though. Go on. What are some things that you think stayed from this movie? Some things that were locked into the formula.
Starting point is 00:13:29 Oh, okay. We talked about, like, the tone. You know what I mean? Quips and quips and quips. Quips and quips. That's right. As women, our life stages come with unique risk factors, like when our estrogen levels drop during menopause,
Starting point is 00:13:47 causing the risk of heart disease to go up. Know your risks. Visit heartandstroke.ca. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret. The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost.
Starting point is 00:14:11 FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. The post-credits, obviously. Yeah. What else? Sequel bait? Or do you think a lot of that was throwing stuff against the wall? Like having Coulson, which whose part, by the way, was expanded
Starting point is 00:14:30 because they're like, he's got pretty good chemistry, let's put more of him in it. I think his bloody suit was expanded as well. You see how big that suit is on him? Looks way better in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. They're like, he's a recurring character now, we'll give him some suits that fit.
Starting point is 00:14:42 Yeah, I don't know. What do you reckon, though? I mean, you know, i think the number one thing and and you know quips is a very kind of uh diminutive way to put it but i think it's the idea of we're not taking this all that seriously like the world maybe the world's gonna win but we are having a little bit of fun and it's kind of like that nod in the wink at the audience as if like because again this, this is like prior to this, who saw superhero movies? Nerds. But I mean, who's seen these movies now?
Starting point is 00:15:11 Billions of dollars of tickets worth. And it's because somebody might, you know, go into one of these movies and look at a character and go, that character's costume looks really dumb. And then a character on screen will go, hey, your costume looks really dumb. Green Lantern. Yeah. And they'll go huh well I guess we're all
Starting point is 00:15:28 on the same page. I guess I will watch this movie. And it's good for dismantling criticism as well. How did he go from there to Gold Mirror in the span of, it doesn't matter. We're just being silly. He was just being silly. We're all just being a bit silly. Here's some things though that I think might be lost along
Starting point is 00:15:44 the way. These used to be Terrence howard terence howard yes r.i.p um metaphorically so these were originally uh shot on film they were all shot on that's true the first three are shot on yeah thank you first three marvel movies rather i think a lot of the practical stuff has has gone out the window also definitely but i think also a lot of the green screen and cgi is so good now that it doesn't matter as much now as it – I think it still matters, but it mattered more then than it does now. I think if the budgets hadn't kept up with the technology –
Starting point is 00:16:16 sorry, if the budgets hadn't kept up with the popularity of these films, if they were still making $80 million dollar movies doing it on digital and all cgi maybe would not look as good but you know yeah they're putting 200 million plus into these movies exactly yeah there's even moments where like they're in the desert and those helicopters fly in to rescue tony stark that's real and there was also like a real sandstorm when you know they recover his armor and they're going to recreate it and they were just like there's a sandstorm when you know they recover his armor and they're going to recreate it and they were just like there's a sandstorm and we're just going to shoot this anyway sure you know what i mean yeah yeah which i quite like but even the flamethrowers they're real for the most part i know there's one moment you told me this where the mark one suit goes down on his knees and then stands up that's
Starting point is 00:16:58 not real is that right because the suit can't oh it can't bend at the knee, perhaps. Maybe so. I think you told me that. I said a lot of things in my youth that were lies. Sure. But maybe, sure. What do you think about the chest, the real chest? It's a little wonky. Like, his shoulders are a little, like, rolled forward. You know, he's got the fake iron he has to reach in.
Starting point is 00:17:18 Oh, and then Pepper has to reach in and get the magnet out. No, still pretty convincing. Still pretty good. Okay, fair enough. Here's something I like about this movie as well. The casting, we talked about it. Jeff Bridges, Gwyneth Paltrow, Terrence Stamp. You mean Terrence Howard?
Starting point is 00:17:32 Yes. What have you written there? I wrote Terrence Stamp. Huh. He was great as General Zod in some of those movies. But yeah, you know, out of sight, out of mind, Terrence Howard. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:42 Jon Favreau's inclusion. Yinsen's really great. Yeah. You know not his real name name of the character but I think also Jeff Bridges would have made an excellent Lex Luthor which he's kind of doing here anyway that's true a lot of ways but um the character of Iron Man himself this is something I only kind of realize now going back to it it's like he considers himself already dead like for a lot of these movies and i think even up to end game in a lot of ways he knows he's on borrowed time sure yeah like he's poisoned in one of the movies you know what i mean he's got massive ptsd i think only when he starts a family and he wants to build something he's like this is now something i want
Starting point is 00:18:22 to hold on to but i think he knows that he was never supposed to get this far oh yeah i think perhaps it was all a dream no in the man of a in the mind of a man who got blown up in in afghanistan perhaps it was i think it was i'm sure that's a theory i think it's safer to assume that yeah push that as and we should ask that of kevin feige every time it's true yeah. Was this all a dream, Kevin? Kevin! Answer my letters, Kevin! Anyways, my point is he was supposed to die because he sucks.
Starting point is 00:18:51 Like, as a man. He's not a good person. Yeah, that's true, yeah. Here's something, I was going to call it trivia, but I'm going to call it little things. Oh, I've got a couple of little things. Let's do some little things. I've written here, A lot of Obadiah Stane's menace evaporates
Starting point is 00:19:02 when you remember the bit where he rides a Segway. Sure. Sure. Yeah. That was so 2000 and late, wasn't it? The little 2000 and late. Yeah. What do you got? What's the little bit you've got there? The Mandarin was supposed to wear the suit originally of the Iron Munger or something
Starting point is 00:19:17 in that style. And he was going to be, in an early draft, an Indonesian terrorist. But Jon Favreau was worried about how you would handle a character like the Mandarin the Iron Munger was then supposed to become the villain in the second movie
Starting point is 00:19:31 but then they were like the Mandarin's a weird character to balance which I guess is why they haven't touched it in over a decade properly
Starting point is 00:19:39 I mean they did like the Guy Pearce thing which we'll get to but you know they're like we're really gonna roll this guy with a Fu Manchu moustache? And he's got alien dragon rings that are magic, but also technology or something?
Starting point is 00:19:51 Yeah. Sure, yeah. What about this? An early draft of the script revealed Tony Stark to be the creator of Dr. Otto Octavius's tentacles from Spider-Man 3. Avi Arad, famous Spider-Man ruiner and producer, was a producer on this. He was quickly kind of shuffled aside.
Starting point is 00:20:11 But Iron Man just creating villains all day, you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. Even in universes he doesn't exist in, he's creating villains. Iron Man also the creator of, and here's something that I, this movie's been out since 2008.
Starting point is 00:20:23 I've never been able to figure it out. At one point, Stark does say that Stark Industries is responsible for the life-saving technology of IntelliCromps. What? IntelliCromps. Has it got an MCU wiki? He's having, it's not, I couldn't find it. He's having that interview with the reporter, and he's like,
Starting point is 00:20:38 we save lives with our IntelliCromps. Sounds like he misspoke. Maybe it does. I mean, maybe he just threw it out there expecting the reporter to not have an answer or to not look it up. Yeah, yeah. But based on the name, my assumption is it's some sort of Wi-Fi-enabled crumpet. Because, you know, sometimes you put a crumpet in a toaster,
Starting point is 00:20:58 you put it down, it comes up, it hasn't been done enough, put it back in, comes up, it's burnt. Yeah, yeah. But you're connected to Wi-Fi. Yeah. Always perfect. Peace in the Middle East. That's all I'm saying. I think it's burnt. Yeah, yeah. But you're connected to Wi-Fi. Yeah. Always perfect. Peace in the Middle East. That's all I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:21:06 I think it might be a specifically British invention, but then it all went under because of Brexit or whatever. Yeah, probably that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They couldn't get the parts. That's right. The whole company folded. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:21:17 Yeah. Thanks, Boris. The likes of Mark Millar, Joe Quesada, Brian Michael Bendis, they were commissioned, and you see them in the behind-the-scenes thing at a roundtable being like, Iron Man is this and whatever. So a lot of famous comic book artists. That's not specific enough, if you ask me.
Starting point is 00:21:32 Why did they didn't get the check? Copy the check. I just think that's really, like, that's something they don't often do, get actual comic book creators. Paul Bettany, who now famously plays The Vision, recalled all of his lines as Jarvis in two hours he said it was like
Starting point is 00:21:47 performing a robbery so in a way it is yeah jokes on you now Bettany eight hours of makeup a day well now it's just like
Starting point is 00:21:55 they paint his face like one colour isn't it than CGI the rest well that's even more embarrassing I agree Peter Billingsley ah Ralphie
Starting point is 00:22:02 from A Christmas Story yes he's one of the scientists that Obadiah Stane yells at because he can't build a tiny little arc reactor. And then he comes back in. Spider-Man Far From Home. That's right, exactly. Here's something which is fascinating.
Starting point is 00:22:17 If this film didn't succeed, Marvel would have lost the intellectual property rights to their library. I actually made a video on this. It's called something like Marvel's Biggest Gamble where they just went, we're just going to go all in. Yeah, I mean, but in a lot of ways, it is kind of a sweetheart deal because if you made a huge budget Iron Man movie
Starting point is 00:22:35 and it sucked really bad. I would never. I'd make a good one. Who is going to take another gamble on it? You know what I mean? I mean, you get everything else though. Yeah. You get the company.
Starting point is 00:22:46 They probably make silk boxer shorts. Sure. That's my favourite hero. That was my favourite Marvel hero as a kid, silk boxer shorts. Okay, I just have one more thing. This is from the start of the movie before we cut to the flashback.
Starting point is 00:23:01 I've written here, I would also get my phone out in the middle of a firefight. Tweet about it or whatever, you know what the middle of a firefight tweet about it or whatever you know tweet about it whatever get a get an instagram live can you believe this i'd say might might get you in on the call you can be like i can't believe this just watch you get shot there yep so many hug reacts so uh one thing I do want to talk about for this, which I think is fascinating, is the box office performance. Please. Because this was the eighth highest grossing movie of 2008. These are the movies that came before it.
Starting point is 00:23:35 The Dark Knight at number one, Indiana Jones, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Kung Fu Panda, Hancock, Mamma Mia, Madagascar, Escape to Africa, Quantum of Solace. And I think what people forget from this is that if you're trying to build a cinematic universe, your first one isn't necessarily going to be a Pirates of the Caribbean one, knock it out of the gate, the biggest movie of the year, if that movie even is that. That's right. I think studios now, they're going for a big swing, expecting they're going to make a billion dollars up front.
Starting point is 00:24:08 And then it makes $800 million and they're like, forget it. We're cancelling this and we're waiting two years and we're doing it again in the dark universe. Exactly. But then, like, the first Marvel movie to make a billion, I think it was Avengers. Yeah. You know, which was four years after this.
Starting point is 00:24:23 And ultimately, the only people that learned from this and were successful at it were the MCU, obviously, and the Mamma Mia franchise. Yes, that's right. And here we go again. But you look at these, you know, these movies that did better. I mean, The Dark Knight already wrapped up. Like, that's done. And that always did a billion.
Starting point is 00:24:38 But DC, you know, struggled to find its footing. Yeah, yeah. It's doing a bit better now. Indiana Jones took a massive break. Like, Hancock. You know what I mean? now. Indiana Jones took a massive break. Like Hancock. You know what I mean? Oh, I know exactly what you mean. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:49 Anyways, all I'm saying is that everybody who worked on this movie in hindsight should get $10 million. Disney should just give them $10 million. And anybody who watched it. $10 million. Even more so. Her viewing.
Starting point is 00:25:01 Yeah. I watched it twice for this. Did you? Yeah. Good stuff. Anyways, we'll it twice for this. Did you? Yeah. Good stuff. Anyways, we'll be back next week to talk Iron Man 2, which I think tries to replicate a lot of this and doesn't. But it's got some pretty decent stuff in it, I feel.
Starting point is 00:25:15 I agree. Yeah. Mostly the suit and the briefcase. It's the suit and the briefcase. Yeah, absolutely. And Sam Rockwell. Oh, yeah. Good point.
Starting point is 00:25:21 The suit and a briefcase of actors. Just a real charm. Just a real surprise out of the box, you know? Love his work. Me too. But you might be like, man, I wish I could see these early. And guess what you can if you go to bigsandwich.co, where not only does the extended audio edition go up early,
Starting point is 00:25:37 as does the actual video, which Ben puts together with Lawrence. Whoa. That's right. There's a bunch of other stuff there also, including our podcast, A Weekly Planet, goes up there a week early, doesn't it, Mason? That's right. There's a bunch of other stuff there also, including our podcast, A Weekly Planet, goes up there a week early, doesn't it, Mason? That's right.
Starting point is 00:25:48 Not a week early. A day early. Thanks. Have to buy me a Coke. He doesn't drink Coke. He'll give it right back. I'll do a Coke, no sugar, Mason. It's not the rule.
Starting point is 00:25:56 It's not how it works. Good point. We've actually done commentaries up there for a bunch of Marvel movies, including Iron Man, actually, if you do want to check it out. But yeah, like I said, it's like a Patreon tier, isn't it, Mason?
Starting point is 00:26:06 It's nine bucks a month if you do want it. But you don't have to. If you've got suggestions for Caravan of Garbage, let us know. I mean, we're booked for the next couple of weeks, but after that. Should we do Iron Man 2? Let us know. Yeah. Should we do Iron Man 3?
Starting point is 00:26:14 Let us know. Let us know whether you want that. Yeah. Anyways, I'm at MrSundayMovies on Twitter. Should we do Iron Man 4? Yes. We will. Eventually.
Starting point is 00:26:22 Eventually. I mean, if they make it, yeah. If they make it, we will. If you petition Kevin Feige in the street, like, hey, Kevin. Kevin. I meant four. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Is it a dream? Do you reckon his hat's running out of that juice? No. He's got it all. It's the juiciest hat in the land. All right, I'm at MrSundayMovies on Twitter. I'm at WikipediaBrand on Twitter. See you next week.
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