The Weekly Planet - Iron Man The Animated Series - Caravan Of Gatbage

Episode Date: November 25, 2021

Iron Man The Animated Series that ran from 1994 to 1996 and acted as a way for the higher ups at Marvel to introduce the character of Tony Stark to kids in the form of a Saturday morning cartoon. Hoping to be the next Batman The Animated Series or X-Men it managed to be worse than both. This week we delve into two episodes, one from Season 1 and one for Season 2 both of which feature Hawkeye in the lead up to the Disney Plus series. It might help with SEO or something I'm honestly not sure. Thanks for listening!SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNVideo Edition ► https://youtu.be/56iiepMP6-sHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of Caravan of Garbage, where this week we go let's do animation. Yes. We're not doing any animation. We're going to talk about an animation.

But I have this flip book ready. Let's see it. Crap. Put it away. Burn it. He's with his family. Burn it in front of me. His family and then he's having a nice picnic in this little flip book.

I decided to go against action and they're just having a nice time. Ben, I hope you didn't animate that flipbook by hand that Mason didn't actually make and he was pantomiming the entire time. If everyone could leave a like this week because we are talking about, in particular, a couple of episodes of the 1990s animated Iron Man televisual series. I forgot this existed, but I'm sure I saw some of it

in that era. James, let me tell you, I was a mad Iron Man fan back in the day. Pre-movies, can you imagine? When he was just a garbage character with his stupid little mustache and his mullet and et cetera.

And et cetera, yeah. When he had his second-rate home brand Avengers team called Force Works. Oh, my God. I do want to talk about all of that. But before we do, I'd like to talk about the origins of this, right? Please. Because superhero- It was cheap, probably.

I don't know if that was the case. Okay. So, you know, off the back of Batman the Animated Series, everybody was looking for that. Scrambling. Exactly. Marvel had a massive hit with the X-Men Animated Series. Which is coming back, baby.

Which is coming back. And what's good about that series in particular was that it managed to tell a long-form story. And it took a lot of the elements from the comics and, like, we're doing Dark Phoenix Saga, we're doing Days of Future Past, whatever, they did all these different things. And then they thought, what if we did Iron Man, but just sort of half-assed that element of this?

We don't have any plot elements. Could we just do Masters of the Universe? But it's Iron Man? Yeah, why not? It's funny you should say that because the animation team behind this, Rainbow Animation, who did the first season, that is exactly what they were aiming for.

Because it is, instead of Skeletor trying to constantly get into Castle Greyskull to get the magic within, it's the Mandarin, and he's always attempting to break into Stark Enterprises so they can get- For the magic within. For the magic within, and the alcohol, probably. Probably, yeah. But the reason we're looking at- The Chivas Regal, you know? It's that reserve, baby. That, yeah. But the reason we're looking at... The Chivas Regal, you know?

It's that reserve, baby. That's right. Now, we're looking at two episodes today, both of which feature Hawkeye because Hawkeye show, I guess. Episode one, The Defecation of Hawkeye. I'm assuming I read that correctly, right? Close enough. Just 22 minutes of him struggling on the loo

in between breakfast cereal commercials. It's The Defection of Hawkeye. Oh, I see what's happened there. In stereo, where available. And then in season two, and I want to talk about the changes between the two seasons, we look at another episode called something, something, Iron Man shrinks and goes inside Hawkeye.

Iron Man's a little shrinky dink man. Yeah, that's right. So what I think's interesting about this is that they do try to bring in force works like you mentioned. So we've got, let's name some characters. I've them down i can't do them okay spider woman yep um the um the julia carpenter version pepper pots out the door mate pepper pots out the door so they're like well another redhead doesn't matter yeah uh let's see we got uh we got scarlet witches in there being especially russian or wherever she's from in this universe. They couldn't get US agent for some reason. So Hawkeye's in this instead.

War Machine is in this. And Century, who's an alien robot from another planet or something. Why does he look like that? He could look like anything. Great question. He's got a teleporting halberd situation. He's got magic or technology. He's got a hundred different personalities,

but I don't think they bring that into the cartoon or anything. They gave him no personalities. Instead of Jarvis or Friday, Iron Man's home computer is Homer. Yes, that's right, exactly, which is more of a season two thing. So they're going up

against whatever version of the Mandarin this is supposed to be uh to avoid racial tensions he's green he's a green alien man of sorts there is an origin story where he goes into a cave and touches a big gem and now he's like i'm a green man i'm a green man everybody everybody look at me before i was a man of indeterminate race and now i'm green and uh with that they uh he said in the origin it says, in touching the crystal and getting the rings or whatever, it grew my strength and intellect until it became incalculable.

Disagree. All of this is very calculable. I would say he's in the probably, maybe the high 90s in terms of intellect. In terms of IQ, sure, right. Not that IQ was ever really a proper thing. Sure, but if it were, he'd be below average. And he's got an assortment of miscellaneous bad guys. Oh, I love it. MODOK, Black Lash.

Yep. Blizzard. Grey Gargoyle. Grey Gargoyle. And Hypnosia, who I think was made up for this series, I think. You're forgetting both Dreadknight and Whirlwind. Oh, yeah, that's great. I mean, I would have also forgot that, but I wrote them down because I knew I'd immediately

forget. So in this particular episode- At one point in the first episode, the Force works are battling these bad guys and Spider Woman says, don't have time for dread and chill. I'm like, is that a, what does that mean? Is that an expression? Yeah, it's an expression. Is that where Netflix and chill came from?

That's right. You just sat at home and you dreaded things and you chilled out. Dread and chill, I think, referred to when things used to be blockbuster and you'd be dreading the late fees for that VHS you lost. Oh, absolutely. You're dreading the fact that maybe you forgot to rewind the tape and they're going to charge you next time you come in. That's it. So as you mentioned, he's always trying to steal some stuff. And this time around, he's trying to hijack a shipment of adamantium, but Iron Man is on it. So as you mentioned, he's always trying to steal some stuff, and this time around he's trying to hijack a shipment of adamantium, but Iron Man is on it.

I love the way the suit goes over him when he's in his car or whatever. This is the... You see that in, like, the helicopter in Civil War. Yeah, this is very much the genesis of everything Iron Man owns. He has an Iron Man suit in it just in case he needs one. His apartment, his bloody car. Yeah. Hat stand.

So it does it all. It's weird because when he flies out of the car, the chair that he was sitting in disappears. I don't know what happens to it. Look, it's neither here nor there. Also, what's interesting, obviously in the opening title sequence, which is just,

they clearly didn't know what they were doing yet. They're like, what is this? It's got this weird chamber orchestra music going on. There's a lot of pipe organ in this, and synth yeah yeah again changes in the second season but also when he when he unlocks his like briefcase with the iron man suit on it the helmet's right at the bottom by the feet and it just upset me in a way that i'm i'm not sure quite how to process but then he has to bend down and get it i guess or it slides up his legs in some sort of weird ratchet situation.

I didn't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it at all. But the reason this particular heist goes awry, even though it's fake adamantium or something, it's because Hawkeye doesn't show up. And they're like, what is wrong with this guy? He's supposed to be here.

He's always late and whatever. And it turns out that he has a secret. And by that, I mean he's got a grandpa that he occasionally visits or whatever. Secret grandpa, yeah. But the bad guys, I mean, look, we're not going to get caught up in the story too much because I think everything around this cartoon is better than the cartoon itself in terms of interest. But the bad guys, including Justin Hammer, hypnotise him

and take photos of him accepting money. So it looks like that he's been bribed by the bad guys. And nobody twigs like, maybe it's the hypnosis lady that we all know exists and we've encountered probably a dozen times before in this cartoon that we live in. But what I love is when they bring him in for questioning, this is even before like all the hypnosis stuff happens or whatever. They're like, where were you? And he's like, none of your business. I'm a freewheeling guy stay out of my business

fuck you see you later i'm a big i'm a i'm a freewheeling rebel wearing a polo shirt tucked into some big slacks because this is a marvel cartoon in the 90s that's how we all dressed i'm taking this straight out of the peter parker playbook very true it's and then when they finally bring him in and they show him the photos and they give him a real drilling and Rhodey's like, you're lazy and we hate you and you complain too much. But guess what? We know you're cool. We know this is fake or whatever.

So it's like, why did you do that? Why did you say those things? Because of the audience, the audience of kids. Also, one of my favorite parts about this first episode we watched is that uh spider woman decides she's going to tail hawkeye oh yeah but obviously she you know hawkeye's a master of espionage he leaves that fence like it's nice amazing regular man you can't you know you can't you know he'll know if you're tailing him so what you do is you dress up the stark enterprise's

flying car as a as a as an exterminating view exterminator vehicle brilliant just just this amazing just future flying car and you put a roach on the top and you and you ride roach busters on the back he'll never twig he can't tell oh my god that exterminator has one of those future cars as women our life stages come with unique risk factors like when our estrogen levels drop during menopause, causing the risk of heart disease to go up. Know your risks. Visit heartandstroke.ca. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret,

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I don't think so I think it's 1994 I'm not sure actually Did Hawkeye in this era Was he known for being like aloof and unreliable? Was this a thing that the character was? Yeah he was more rebellious I think Because he started out as a criminal

I don't know if you're aware Yeah yeah Okay well that makes sense, I guess. You're just so enraptured by the Jeremy Renner version. You think he's always just a super cool super spy. And it's always Christmas or whatever. That's right, yeah. You might be right.

I do want to jump over to season two, though. So you're probably not going to be surprised, but the minds behind this, two of them are Avi Arad and Ike Perlmutter. Oh, the dream team. The dynamic duo. not the only people involved obviously guys who suck and they realized well not just them but the ratings and reviews made them realize that they are stretching themselves too thin for this and the quality of animation and storytelling wasn't quite there so So they disbanded Workforce. Forceworks.

Yeah, they disbanded the Workforce. So they disbanded Forceworks because they were like, there's too many people in this. We're going to have kind of more of an ongoing story in Season 2. But obviously the biggest change for the second season is. It got really metal. Yes, it did. And Tony Stark grew a mullet.

Yeah, absolutely. But the last one, again, like they had this weird pipe organ intro, but this new one's all like, I am Iron Man! Pretty good, I thought. I think they're both bad. I like the second one a lot. Yeah, it's a little bit better.

And actually, it's funny because they gave him a mullet, apparently, to distinguish him from Bruce Wayne. They're like, Bruce Wayne's a square, he's a nerd. Look at this guy, he doesn't even have a moustache. Sure. And speaking of Bruce Wayne, Coco Enterprises, who animated Batman the Animated Series, stepped into this. And yeah, you're right, the intro is much better.

I've sold it short here. But I still think, regardless of all of that, this is not a patch on Batman the Animated Series. It's not a patch on X-Men. It's not a patch on the Spider-Man series it's not a patch on x-men it's not a patch on the spider-man series which was going at the same time better than inspector gadget yes everything's better than inspector gadget except the movie inspector gadgets way worse than inspector gadget how'd they do it i don't know how they did it so in this one uh again

i look again we've kind of we've just picked hawkeye episodes but it doesn't we're scraping the bottom of the barrel He doesn't have a lot of expanded media really Yeah, in this one Well look, to be fair It was either this or play the Hawkeye expansion On that Avengers video game Which I finally bought

And I played the expansion And I just went I just don't like this enough Or not even This isn't interesting enough I think mechanically So this cartoon is better than the Hawkeye expansion. I don't even know that.

But look, I think mechanically very solid. But it's just there's so much bullshit packed into that game that just to get through to just playing a level and playing an interesting mission where you're not just fighting robots, which is every mission, is impossible. Okay, but is he having some great little outfits? Yeah, probably. But you probably have to pay for them and whatever because again, there's a fucking metric ton

of bullshit all over that game. And it's not, look, and I know the people who made that game, look, fine, we're here. I'll talk about it. Okay. But the people behind that game

are like, we're not sure why this failed. Why didn't people like it? Because you choked it in garbage and you gave it to a company who made the Tomb Raider games who were very good at making like-ish single-player narratives, and you just went, let's just blow this out into a big pile of crap.

Why don't people like this big pile of crap that we made? What's wrong with it? We put an Avengers logo on this big pile of crap. We thought that was printing money. It didn't work somehow. So there you go. Anyway, that's my review of that terrible fucking game. But anyway, in this episode, Hawkeye gets injured, gravely injured,

and he's probably going to die. A plane falls on him. A plane does fall on him. Ultimo throws a plane on him or something. Well, actually, a lot seems to have happened in between the first season and the second season. First of all, it seems like Spider-Woman is now in love with Iron Man. Sure.

But he's like, that would be an inappropriate workplace relationship, which is probably the first time he's ever said that. And then also... He's just saying it because the kids are watching. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Oh, good point. And then, again, Force Works broke up, and they're all like,

we all hate you, Iron Man, or whatever. We hate Ike Pearl. We mean Iron Man. So Iron Man is on the outs with Hawkeye, but Hawkeye saves him from a big robot, and then a plane falls on him. And then Iron Man's like, well, I've got to save him, so the only way to save him is to shrink down real small

and go into his body. It becomes a magic school bus episode, doesn't it? It sure does, yeah. But I guess the difference here being you're not really learning anything, which quite frankly is my favourite type of children's television where you don't learn a goddamn thing. If anything, children watching this will probably come away with a lot of lessons about how the human body doesn't work.

You can fix a spine with a man who shrinks down with a magic weapon or something. Yeah, very good. I also like the villain who's controlling Ultimo. We don't find out to the very end who it is, who this mysterious character is. It's the hacker. Just some nerd, it turns out.

But it's interesting because they show that he's like a bad boy and on the edge because at one point you see a Howard Stern poster in his bedroom, which I love. And also it's at this point in the series where his suit can just do whatever. It can just turn into all the other suits. Yeah. And therefore all the other action figures.

So, of course, if you don't buy all the action figures, how are you going to play along with the cartoon? With this show that you don't like, how are you going to play along with it? Yeah. I mean, now you can probably buy the whole set for like $4 on eBay, but still. I don't know about that because, okay, this is part of the reason why the show was cancelled because the toys were quite costly to make, but at the I don't know about that because okay, this is part of the reason why the show was cancelled because the toys were quite

costly to make, but at the same time were not very popular. And dangerous. And dangerous. So they had a lot of like bits that would like clip onto them. There were multiple Iron Man suits. Like the quality of them, if you see them and here they are. Ben and Lawrence put them in. Well done. Whoa. Yeah.

But like. In a little flip book form. No. But like, In a little flip book form. No. But like, no one's like, oh man, I want the grey gargoyle action figure. You know? It's nonsense. But what I think is interesting about... Anyway, he gets... He fixes his back and whatever.

But then Ultimo, the giant robot, also shrinks down into... Oh yeah, yeah. It's like Inner Space. It turns into the movie Inner Space. But anyway, it's all... And then they sort of become friends, but not really. Iron Man just fires off some x-rays in Hawkeye's brain. Yeah, that's fine.

He's like, this will be fine, will it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah, all right. But anyway, they become friends and whatever. But what I do think is interesting about this, that all the animated Marvel series from the 90s,

it is one big universe. Panels to Pixels did a really is interesting about this, that all the animated Marvel series from the 90s, it is one big universe. Panels to Pixels did a really good video of this, how this was kind of like the first Marvel kind of shared universe across like multiple years, because Iron Man does make an appearance with the same voice actor in like The Incredible Hulk and Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four. And these shows kind of go on to kind of, you know, and they end up being being there's like a future ish marvel show if you remember our future ish marvel future ish marvel show that's good fun

welcome to the future ish they would say at the start of every episode so yeah i think um it did a it did a good job of existing but beyond that perfect and but beyond that there is not really much here on offer which you couldn't get in better shows, even from Marvel. Or in a comic book. Or in a comic book at the same time, exactly. So all in all, it's not great, is it? Not really, but it's all on Disney+, so if you want to check it out. That's right, just like we did.

You don't have to wait for somebody to upload every episode to YouTube and then they all get taken down. And they're in 360p and whatever. A question for everybody, though. Do you want us to come back to this at some point? Because they do cover popular storylines. They do Armour Wars. There's an episode with Bill Clinton in it.

Do you know what I mean? Does he play the saxophone? I think he just picks up a phone. He's like, I'm Bill Clinton. I'm a sex criminal, but I'm never going to jail. Then he puts the phone down. Wow. Yeah, I know, right?

They got him to voice it, too. He didn't even care. He's like, they'll never get me. I don't never going to jail, then he puts the phone down. Wow. Yeah, I know, right? They got him to voice it too. He didn't even care. He's like, they'll never get me. I don't care. That's just how he answers the phone when you call him. But yeah, if there's any particular storylines you'd like us to come back to, or even some of the other animated series, because before we have looked at Fantastic Four, we've looked at some of the X-Men, but there's a lot of interesting stuff here, I think, in this era.

That's true. We did some animated Spider-Man stuff even, didn't we? We did, yeah. We did that Mysterio one or something. We did several episodes about Mysterio, yeah. It was too many, I think. Too many. I don't mind that show.

Anyways, this is Caravan of Garbage. We do this every week, and you might wish, you might wish and want and hope that in your heart you could see these early. And you can, actually. If you head over to BigSandwich.co, it is like our Patreon. If you do want to sign up.co it is like our patreon if you do want to sign up there's early videos including these there's bonus podcasts that we do there's movie commentaries we've done some movie commentaries haven't we so many marvel ones

oh my god so many yeah too many i think if enough people sign up we'll get tony stark mullets and mustaches we don't mind yeah we don't mind at all we'll do it also our podcast the weekly planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows, that goes up there every week. And if you do like Hawkeye, we're doing Hawkeye recaps here every week, aren't we? It's a Hawkeye bonanza, isn't it, lately? It really is.

All those six guys out there who are like, can't wait for Hawkeye to take centre stage. Well, it is happening right now. And one of those guys is Jeremy Renner, and the second one is Jeremy Renner with a hat. He's like, I'm Jeremy Renner's brother, Reromy Nenner. You met him? It's just Jeremy Renner.

Oh, I see. Right, right, right. Yes, yes, yes. Good, great. Anyways, here's a hint towards next week. Wow. Wow. I don't know.

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