The Weekly Planet - Justice League - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: June 19, 2020

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This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. We are back to cap off the Zack Snyder Justice League Man of Steel Batman v Superman trilogy. This is his movie. It says so in the movie. It says a Zack Snyder film or movie. Whatever it says. This is a Zack Snyder joint. And it is like a picture of a

cartoon version of him smoking a doobie. That's so cool. It's cool, right? Anyway, this is going to be a real dramatic finale to this trilogy. It's the real, oh my God, it's such a, wait, I'm looking at the wrong notes. I'm looking at Batman v Superman. This one's a real wet fart, this movie, I'll be honest with you.

Oh, absolutely. And look, the reason we're here is because we run polls on Patreon to be like, what do people want to see? And there was high demand for this trilogy. So we appreciate that. If you want to contribute, you can. It's linked below. There was high demand for the trilogy, but I feel like if we were to ask individually, if we were like, listen, should we do Justice League

or any other movie? I wonder how the results would have been skewed. But for the trilogy, very strong response. Yeah, absolutely. And of course, if you could leave a like, that would be great. And I just want to mention, we're not really going to get into the specifics

of the reshoots and the multiple versions of this movie that could have been. We've got videos on that on the channel, which we'll link below if you do want to check it out. We don't want to focus on what this movie that could have been we've got videos on that on the channel which will link you do want to check it out we want to we don't want to focus on what this movie isn't yeah we want to focus on just the magic of the silver screen that's right when we ended that cinema and we're like is this a ps3 cutscene what is happening yeah so yeah we're really going to be focusing on the finished product and i just want to say also i am going to say some good things about this movie but i want people to bear in mind that it is infinitely worse than the two that come before this in almost every

way i feel like that's going to be skewed somewhat so i just i need to say that i also feel like that that isn't a necessarily a more controversial opinion for most people out there this one was a disappointment if you loved if you loved or hated the previous two movies I think we're all sort of pretty much unanimous

in the idea of this doesn't please me or you or anyone really I just meant people might be upset that I'm saying anything good about this movie

that's where I'm coming at this from I understand okay we're on the same page now it's interesting though with this movie because things were looking good because there was a bit

of an uptick in the DC Universe in general. I know Batman v Superman has its fans, but it didn't perform super well. It didn't hit a billion dollars. I'm not saying it's a flop. Please don't misconstrue that. But it didn't perform as well as it should have. Wonder Woman

though came out and crushed it. Universally beloved. And yes, I know some people didn't like it. I know! I'm talking in generalities. James, you're not allowed to speak in generalities on the internet. Yeah. Everything you say must contain the sum total of all human knowledge. That's all I'm saying.

Yeah, you're right. You're right. But the thing is, this is obviously a response to Batman v Superman because it started filming straight away. That movie came out, then they went straight into this. And the reason it was changed i feel is purely financial if batman v superman had have made a billion two billion dollars ten billion dollars yeah ten hundred billion dollars hundred billion dollars other numbers infinity dollars

hear me out infinity dollars plus one right that would have changed everything we wouldn't be here pissing and moaning would we no but my. But my point is, the Transformers movies, for example, they didn't change the formula, even though they're not good, generally speaking, because they made money. And that's why this movie was changed to this. Yeah, right. It's purely financial. Yeah.

I'm not saying that's right. It's just the reality of it. Movie studios are just machines. If a thing keeps working, they'll keep making it until it doesn't work anymore. Exactly. So the intro to this, the phone footage for a podcast. A podcast hosted by two small children, it seems. Yeah, absolutely.

They start earlier and earlier. You know what? We'll be out of a job soon. If you want to get into the game, you've got to start young. You've got to decide on a career before you leave school and stick to that. Everybody knows that. That's what we did. But straight away, you're like,

something is wrong with this movie. I think, yeah, you do, but I think that's an interesting way to start a movie. I just meant visually. No, exactly. I mean conceptually fresh and hip and interesting, but visually, yes, it's very weird. The whole thing's very weird. Superman seems visibly annoyed that some

small children who idolise him are daring to speak to him. That might be the mustache lip situation. I think it's partly that. In re-watching it, I'm like okay, he's trying to come across as jovial and friendly and trying to inspire these little kids, but the mustache sorry, the lack of mustache

the upper lip that you could park a plane on is really contributing to him looking kind of annoyed. Look, we know that everybody knows about Mustache Gate at this point in time, but this will become a relic of the internet. So who knows what people are going to remember. Do you want to quickly explain the mustache situation? Oh, absolutely. Look, to the best of my knowledge, the initial shoot of Justice League was complete,

and Henry Cavill, Superman, he moved on to filming another movie, which was Mission Impossible Fallout, for which he grew a spectacular moustache. But then it was requested that he come back and reshoot most of Justice League. And so Warner Brothers asked the producers of Mission Impossible if he could shave his moustache for the purpose of the reshoots, and they said absolutely not. And they said, what if he could shave his moustache for the purpose of the reshoots. And they said, absolutely not. And they said, what if he shaves it and we spend more money than he's ever been spent

on a very realistic fake moustache for your production of Mission Impossible? They said, absolutely not. But instead what you do is he keeps his moustache, he films as Superman with a moustache, and you remove it digitally. And they were like, yep, what's the worst that could happen? The opening scene of Justice League is what could happen, I guess.

And various scenes throughout. It's interesting because people have done their own at-home versions of this and have had better results with, you know, face replacement technology and deep fakes and things like that. So it's interesting that this is it somehow. And it's such an expensive movie. The budget on this is insane 300 million dollars something like that yeah i mean they fudge the numbers because but this is a

this was a massive bomb infinity dollars no mason much less oh okay right right right but yeah but again like i feel it's important to know when you criticize visual effects in movies when when it's a major motion picture with with costing infinity dollars, they bring in the best of the best to do this sort of stuff. The issue is often time and money. If you only give them the briefest amount of time to fix this sort of stuff, you get what you pay for. Exactly right. You get what you get in the time allotted.

And I think that's what they got here. Totally. I think they could have fixed this scene, and I've mentioned this before, if they just didn't show Superman's face. It's a kid holding a camera, so they're just holding it askew and you don't see it yeah I think that would have fixed the entire scene or they've accidentally left a snapchat filter on and he's got a he's got a

cartoon mustache that then we wouldn't even that is a better idea another massive problem this film is it's it looks terrible the color grading it's like a horrible cartoon nightmare i've written here and we can maybe jump around because this this is this is referring to the movie but also some scenes specifically i've written here almost everything in this movie looks like a video game cut scene yeah but also the visual effects in the steppenwolf versus the amazon scene are so jarring it looks like it's going to turn into a kit kat ad like you know how sometimes you'll be watching a maybe you're at the movies you're watching a scene that looks like an epic it's an epic battle for the ages and they're all charging with their horses and their spears

and then somebody's like oh i could do with a break let's have a kit kat mr t with the snickers or something exactly right it looks like that level of like dissonance between the live action actors and the background visual effects where you go this isn't movie grade visual effects yeah this is advertisement grade exactly or it looks like when you get an instagram ad for like some sort of mobile game and then fired models yeah to to you know seamlessly integrate with the with the cut scenes that you're seeing that's exactly right that's what this movie looks like i think a large part of that though is the color grading and they brighten everything up it makes everything look worse and you're seeing. That's exactly right. That's what this movie looks like. I think a large part of that, though, is the colour grading and they brighten everything up. It makes everything look worse and you're not supposed to see

the things that are happening in this movie like that. And I think the opening scene on the rooftop with Batman is a perfect example because it's as bright as day, practically. It looks like a cartoon and that Ben Affleck Batman suit, which I love, does not hold up under that kind of lighting and scrutiny. It looks fake and rubbery in a way that it didn't in the previous movie. I agree. At that scene, I want a special shout out to Holt McCallany.

I love him. From the movie Mindhunter, who plays the burglar. The television serial Mindhunter. That's exactly right. He's a comedic foil. He's just a big exposition machine. At one point he says, of the paradig the, the, the paradigm that we see, he says from space,

like an alien army. And I feel like he should have continued, you know, like in one of Joss Whedon's previous superhero movies, like, you know, one of the ones that was really well liked. Yeah.

Just like that. This is, this is what this movie is. And it's just him. I, I imagine that character is just like, before he was interrupted by Batman, Batman,

he's like, damn, he's got a big sack of loot. It feels just so good to steal this bag of miscellaneous valuables from a tenement building in a cartoon city, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Oh no, Roger Rabbit's in this bag. I don't know. Yeah, it's horrible.

And that also, there's a few other things that I don't like about that scene. In particular, Bruce Wayne is just talking to Alfred openly. He's like, Alfred, are you seeing this? And the guy's standing right there. Yeah. There's a number of moments in this film where characters are outed for their real identities. When Batman is talking to Aquaman and he's like, don't count on a Batman. You're Bruce Wayne and you're dressed like a bat.

There's a moment also where Clark Kent comes back and Lois Lane is like, Clark! Clark! And there's just cops standing around. But I guess, do identities even mean anything in these movies? I mean, it's in the zeitgeist, James. People are just giving up their identities. We're in a post-Iron Man 2008 world where superheroes are just like,

what are you going to do? I'm rich and I have a lot of guns. What are you going to do? Come to my house? I'll shoot you. But in these movies, we are supposed to assume that people don't know who these people are. That's the difference here. Anyway, I love the opening credits. In particular, there's three moments I want to point out. There's a newspaper article

that says, Supergerm could end humanity. There's white supremacists running amok, and people miss Superman. And one of those three things to me doesn't ring true to the modern day. Which one do you think it is, Mason? I think it's probably the bloody white supremacists getting arrested. You can cut that out.

We'll just pretend I said a different thing. No, no, that's great. Okay. It's supposed to be this kind of dramatic, I guess almost Watchmen-esque opening sequence. It did feel that way, yeah. We learn about the state of the world through this, you know, continuously panning exploration

of the environment kind of thing. We've got the homeless man saying, with his little sign that says, I tried. That's right. People think that's actually related to Joss Whedon did it on purpose. That's his admission that he tried to make this a good movie. Well, I think people blame a lot of this on Joss Whedon

when what really happened is Warner Brothers probably went to him and went, do you want $10 million to just do these reshoots? But you have to kind of do it exactly like this. Because it doesn't feel like any kind of director's vision. There's Whedon-esque elements in it, and we'll get to them. But I don't think you can blame any of this on one particular person, right? No, I don't think so either.

I mean, you know, both credited directors have produced good work in the past. And this doesn't really feel like either of them it just feels like yeah a series of notes from a movie studio yeah exactly yeah I think the Wonder Woman

opening scene with the terrorist stuff is fine though there is that moment when the bullet is going to hit her but it's clearly not going to hit her

when she ducks out of the way well better be safe than sorry that's how she survived however long she's been alive hundred of years

hundred of years exactly one trillion years yeah infinity years plus one i love the moment uh where bruce wayne's like i gotta go find aquaman i gotta get the team together and he takes so long to do so because he's on horseback presumably that he grows a full beard but he's got eight different planes maybe just that we know about ben Affleck's hair and face and wig in this is so distracting

because it's in between it's in scenes because it goes shot for shot and it changes and I know that he did have some personal problems in between these shoots and he's kind of a bit

bloated from alcoholism that look I don't really want to get into it. I'm not trying to kick him but it's just very noticeable and the hairline of the wig shifts dramatically. It's so upsetting to me. It's so visually jarring.

I know you're a very big wig connoisseur. Yeah, exactly. Also, I love that this version of Aquaman just, he litters in the ocean. He just throws a bottle of whiskey in the ocean. He's like, I don't even care about global warming. I love it, in fact, because he's that kind of guy. He's like, I don't even care about global warming. I love it in fact, because he's that kind of guy. He's not a...

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How flake is he? He's a cool, rad dude. There should have been a scene later in Aquaman, the movie, when the Atlanteans are like, we're throwing all this litter back onto the surface world, and he's, when the Atlanteans are like, we're throwing all this litter back onto the surface world. And he's like, tugging at his collar like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, yep, those surface dwellers, they've really ruined us, eh? They certainly have. But I guess maybe he didn't feel as connected to his heritage then.

Yeah. I think he does have some good moments in it. And even more so in his own movie, that bubble moment is weird where they step into the air bubble together they didn't quite know how to say how do we speak underwater I think it's not that

you think so upon re-watching this I think it's because it's a reshoot and that way you can just do it against a green screen and you don't have to

CGI the hair or floating about that would have been super expensive because that whole movie, the Aquaman movie, all the underwater stuff, they comp out all the hair

and re-put it back in. Oh, yeah, right. You don't have to do any of that. You can just have them standing in a bubble. Yeah, but in this, I mean, you know, if you want to do it on the cheap, you just get some stagehands to each grab a strand of Mira's hair

and you just sort of wiggle them off camera, you know? Yeah, that works too, yeah. Barry Allen. Yes? I've just Yeah, that works too, yeah. Barry Allen. Yes? I've just written, learn to run, idiot. That's your whole deal. It's the only thing you do.

And there's also that moment, and I know we've talked this to death, but when Batman turns up and is like, come and join my team, do you like being on a team? And he's like, I love being on teams. And he's like, I don't know what your abilities are. Catch this Batarang. You don't know what your abilities are catch this batarang or you don't know what's gonna happen here it might be that he has incredible quantum teleportation

abilities that are only interrupted by like solid stainless steel that'll definitely kill him that's his one weakness kryptonite style oh i've killed him oh no yeah just not good not a good addition look i've written here somewhere let's see if I can find it. I've written, Barry Allen walks this line between enthusiastic and annoying, and then he steps right over it. Yeah. There's some moments, especially in that scene where he's first meeting Batman, where I'm like, oh, okay, I get it.

You know, he needs friends or, you know, he's, what are you doing in my house or whatever? But then he's like, brunch? What's the deal with brunch? I think that's the Joss Whedon kind of reshoot dialogue. Because there's that. There's the classic Joss Whedon falling on some boobs. Great gag. There's a moment where Superman's like,

I thought you didn't like me. And Batman's like, well, I kind of like you. It's just... I think Victor Stone is good in this and very hard done by. I think he puts in a very good performance for the 40 seconds he's in this movie, really. It's true. Yeah. And look, I have a very personal criticism of what we see of Cyborg in this movie,

obviously because in the trailers we had him say his famous line, you should probably move. But then I did notice upon the rewatch of this, there is a moment where they're battling Steppenwolf in sort of underground and there's a exploding geyser of water and they're all going to drown. And Cyborg says to the other members of the Justice League, you all need to move. So I feel like now I understand it. I was angry. Now I'm like, well, if you put both of those lines in, he's just...

Now that's a character arc. He's just a crossing guard. Children, you need to complete your crossing there's also an unfinished plot point and i know it's in the other version where cyborg's like am i a bad guy or not and aquaman's like maybe this guy's a bad guy he's not he's he's just not that would have taken up too much time we need to to look at another thing. We need to insert an Eastern European family who are being pestered by alien space bugs. So there's no time for character development, all right? Why put in that family?

And I sort of get it because it's like, these are some people on the ground that you, the audience, can relate to. But do you know who I want to relate to and feel empathy for? The fucking main people in these movies the justice league that's who i'm here for oh yeah they don't even talk it's i don't know it's just bizarre to me what a weird addition well it's it's also weird that it feels so strange and remote yeah like if you were going to have us relate to normal people maybe it's just some people in a city and they're like oh no we're in danger why why not some people out in a remote village somewhere.

You could do it. I could do it. No, I'm in, we're all in danger. We should probably move. We should all move. You mentioned this before, but the boom tube effect, it's so bad for one and it doesn't really boom. It goes, pachoo!

Oh, it's a pachoo tube. Yeah. A pachoo tube! It's a weird kind of beehive-esque pattern on it, sort of, and it's just a big blue laser. Well,

they had some 3D models of big blue lasers lying around. Yeah. And they were like, why not make a pachoo tube? Why not? Which, of course, is my second favourite snack food

after the Kit Kat. So maybe that's what they were advertising earlier. Yeah. Love a roll of Pachu tubes. And look, to get back to the Themyscira escape, where they try to get rid of the box, I actually don't mind that sequence,

the idea that they're trying to get it away from him. It looks bad. Look, side note, every scene with Steppenwolf, I've just written here in my notes, Steppenwolf looks so bad. He looks so bad. Atrocious. And it's, of course, because they changed the look of the character. A lot of that was probably supposed to be dark side,

including the flashback, which, by the way, really great. Flashback's good. Yeah. You get some Hercules. You get some lanterns. Don't tease a Green Lantern in Act 1 and then not pay it off later. I mean, it's a bit vague, but I feel confident in saying when I saw the cinemas,

I'm like, well, they're all in a lot of trouble. But when Green Lantern shows up, oh, they're laying the groundwork. One of these side characters must be, maybe it's the man, maybe it's the Russian man in the house. Maybe he's going to be Green Lantern. Maybe Martian Manhunter is also a Green Lantern. Right? Yes.

He's holding all the cards. But the idea behind how they're trying to keep these boxes away from Steppenwolf, they're so bad at it. For one, on Themyscira, where are you taking it? One person has ever left. You're going to get it off the island. If you've got another room made of rocks, you can put it in that you can easily smash through. What are you doing? Not just a room of rocks, a room of rocks and then a bunch of Amazons with regular bows and arrows surrounding it. What do you think is going to come out of that? Like a deer? You think a deer is going to come out of the mother box?

You can shoot it, get some venison? That's all they'd really seen at that point, I'd imagine, a lot of them, yeah. I love it how Martha Kent is losing her house. And it's hilarious to me that Bruce Wayne didn't step in to pay for the house earlier. Like he's letting this happen, which is odd because he paid for the funeral of Clark Kent. Yes. But then I thought about it and I realized that funeral probably wasn't very expensive anyway. It's like a cheap wooden box, some finger food,

and a hole in the ground. That was maybe five grand at the most. That's probably true, yeah. So I think for that, he was like, yeah, no problem. Right, right, right. I'm happy to show up. A whole house? I don't know.

Where's my profit margin there, you know? I mean, buying the bank, that's his profit margin. So I think he figured out a way to do it that would also benefit him. Exactly. I'd imagine, yeah. Also, you've got to remember that at Clark's funeral, he obviously had to buy him two sets of clothes, the suit he was wearing and then the ruined track pants he was wearing.

Yes, that's right, yeah. Would you want to talk about that, his return? Well, I guess so, yeah. You touch the box, a lightning box, and he comes back. I don't mind that fight sequence. It looks bad because it's all been recolor graded. But they're all coming at him and he's kind of batting them aside. It's all right.

It looks pretty good, yeah. Look, I'm down on everything that came before that, I think. One, Cyborg and Flash decide they have to dig up Clark in real time at regular speed. There's a clock ticking, guys. Come on. Just give us... But it felt disrespectful. Tell you what, Flash,

you dig him up super speed, Cyborg, you can say a prayer. Yeah. It's all worked out. But I like in that sequence where Aquaman's like... We say Aquaman in Australia, not Aquaman.

We'll get the comments. It's one of those things I feel like I need to mention. But he's immediately like, this is very wrong and upsetting. Like all his vital signs are just off the charts at this point also what's your backup plan if this doesn't work because statistically speaking it's never worked no one's ever brought anyone back from the dead uh so um it's a pretty slim chance but if there's even a one percent chance that they're in the lightest possible absolute certainty they twist it may say did a little bit didn't they yeah yeah batman's 180 on superman

and his feelings towards him it's insane right he's clearly gone mad between movies it doesn't make any sense i do like that moment though genuinely where he baits wonder woman into shoving him i've written here batman's so mean, and I don't like it. He's so mean to everybody. He's like your dead boyfriend. Your boyfriend, you liked him, and then he crashed into a thing and died, didn't he? So it's to be you.

Oh, being hit, that's rude. And then it cuts to the flash, and he goes, you know, if she kills you, we're all going to cover for her. Great reshoot. I liked it, yeah. Thanks. It's also cool that when Superman gets out, they all leave Batman in the Kryptonian ship.

They fuck off and they go to fight while he pants his way across the grass to get there. Well, I mean, to be fair, that's how it was really going to go. I've written here, because Superman, obviously, he goes on this sort of rampage. We don't know if he's good or bad at this point. I've written here, a funny bit would be if Superman's DNA mixed with the photo of Pa Kent that fell in the liquid

and he'd woke up with an unstoppable drive to go fishing. I think that would have been good. They're like, Clark, no! Not to the fishing hole! Or to divert a river into some horses. Yeah. Like from the last movie. I like how Wonder Woman tricks Aquaman into his feelings.

That's good. There we go. There's a thing that I like. Why Woman tricks Aquaman into his feelings. That's good. There we go. There's a thing that I like. Why are Batman's vehicles so fucking weird in this? They're not good, are they? They're not. There's a weird crab.

There's a big flying whale. What? What? He was trying to encourage Aquaman to be on the team. He's like, look what I got. I got a crab. I got a whale. Those are things you like, are they? Hey, huh?

There's also that moment, of course, where he assembles the team and he gets them together and he's like, get ready for my plan. You guys all wait here and I'm going to fly the ship in alone. You've assembled the team. That's what the team's for, idiot. And then they come in and like,

we're changing your dumb plan. Because remember how you got us all together to do this thing together? Was it to be spectators? That's interesting. I also like how Superman shows up and beats up Steppenwolf. And I know it defeats the purpose

of the rest of the Justice League. Yes, it does. Because he does all of their jobs. But you just wanted to see a decent Superman fighting a... A decent man. A decent villain. You don't want to see Superman fighting just a regular guy in a suit of armor.

You didn't want to see Superman fighting some other Kryptonians. You just wanted to see Superman... Which I did like. You just want to see Superman fighting just a regular guy in a suit of armor. You don't want to see Superman fighting some other Kryptonians. Which I did like. You just want to see Superman fighting a villain. Yeah. And that's what we got. It was great because he's just ducking and weaving. But also if Superman had have come with them immediately,

he could have gone in and fixed that by himself. He would have gone in and he would have broken Steppenwolf's neck and he would have separated the boxes and then walked out. And gone, good to be back, I guess. got who are you guys what are you what are you guys about you guys going to a costume party you're bad at this is what I'm saying so as Steppenwolf is being uh he's getting all his fear he's being feared to death and they're all like watching this unfold and they're like oh no if the fear's gonna get him because parademons, they love fear. They want to kiss it.

It cuts to the Flash and he's just posing there like Rose from Titanic. It might be a reference to something that I don't get, of course. Yeah, the Renaissance. I've just written in my notes, and I don't know where it refers to, but it's towards the end. I've just written, God, this movie looks like shit. But not even the colour grading, the but it's towards the end i've just written god this movie looks like shit but not even the color grading the way it's framed because at least batman v superman all the shots are so purposeful yeah you get the best angle of the characters yeah look i feel i

feel a lot of this movie it was just they they reshot a bunch of stuff and then they were like all right that's that's it we're not doing any more reshoots but it's still not quite there so they were just like just edit in what we have I don't know there's a I have a note here that just says

even the door to the Batcave is CGI they arrive at the Batcave they arrive on that elevator on that elevator and the door just CGI's open

and it looks terrible just build a real door and get some stagehands to pull the real door open yeah just do that absolutely or don't have a door on it it's an elevator without a door Just build a real door and get some stagehands to pull the real door open. Yeah. Just do that. Absolutely. Or don't have a door on it.

It's an elevator without a door. That's fine. Now, we neglected to mention, and we certainly didn't forget, the score from the other movies. It's amazing. The Hans Zimmer combination. That's right. It's really great.

That Man of Steel theme, all the BVS stuff. Yeah, the combination of Hans Zimmer and Junkie XL and how they sort of left or were kicked off this project and replaced by Danny Elfman, who's good. He's good. But then they're just like, we're just putting in the Burton Batman theme. We're just going to put it in the Chris Reeve Superman theme.

And I understand, like I get it because people know those. But this score is nothing. I feel bad only bringing up the score in these movies now just to say this isn't good when the previous two were so good. But, hey, it's worth mentioning, I feel. I agree. Do The Flash and Cyborg have iconic... I mean, Wonder Woman's got...

But do The Flash and Cyborg have iconic themes? Yes. Oh, Cyborg's is... Computer games. That's his, right? Yeah, that's right. And that's for The Flash as well. Yeah, right.

Yeah, this is fine. This is fine for both of them. Because The Flash probably likes computer games. He likes Rick and Morty. That's right. He's just like us. He's just like us. That's my in into this movie.

Because when he sees the Bat-signal, he reacts how I would react. That's the signal. That's how we know to movie. Because when he sees the bat signal, he reacts how I would react. That's the signal. That's how we know to go. You are Batman, he says. Hey, bystander, that's Batman. Makes sense when you think about it because he's a billionaire and Batman has a lot of equipment. Jim Gordon's in this.

Yep. J.K. Simmons, love him. Great, great, great. I mean, he's in it for two minutes. Yeah. Clark returns to work, doesn't he? Yep. It's still never resolved. There's not even a line. Great, great, great. I mean, he's in it for two minutes. Yeah. Clark returns to work, doesn't he? Yep. It's still never resolved.

There's not even a line. There's not even a line in there. What could it be? I don't know. I mean, it would be a convoluted line. It would be something like, oh, hey, Clark, it's interesting. You are still alive, and the man we all presumed died was a different man who looked a lot like you, and we all went to his funeral.

I mean, it's sad that he died. And you fell under some rocks or something. I don't know. Maybe that's what happened. How do they explain Superman returning from the rocks or something. I don't know. Maybe that's what happened. How do they explain Superman returning from the death of Superman? I don't remember. He was trapped under a building. For a year.

I think it didn't... Yeah, but I think how comic book... The timeline. The timeline. It was probably like a couple of weeks or something. Okay, cool. Great. Terrific.

Great stuff. His hair grew that much in a couple of weeks. He's Superman. Yeah. He's Superman. Yeah. Great. I do like the Superman suit in this, the way that it's coloured.

It still looks weird because it's... That's incredible praise. I like the way this thing was coloured in this movie. Where are you on post-credits? Oh, of course, the... Look. Look, James. I like the first one.

Hang on, which is the first? The race. Oh, that's right. The race between Superman and The Flash. That's fun. And that's, you know, that's a nod to very much the classic Superman, The Flash rivalry. Who's the fastest on the ground? They're always racing.

That's right. And obviously it would be The Flash if he wasn't such a goose. Yes, that's right. How many times does he fall in this movie? At least twice. Yeah. I wouldn't fall because if I could run that fast, all I would do is practice.

Just practice every day. Yeah. That's right. Why doesn't he eat his pizza at super speed? He's about to get in a Bruce Wayne's million dollar Mercedes. Why doesn't he just eat it real fast? Why does he have to eat it slow? I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. It's a good question to ask though, isn't it? He's got a lot of good questions, that guy, though, specifically around brunch. Yeah. What is brunch? Is it food or is it lunch? It's got a lot of good questions, that guy, though, specifically around brunch. Yeah. What is brunch? Is it food or is it lunch? It's a good question.

It's a good question. It's not even a topical reference. Like brunch has been around for a very long time. People understand brunch at this point. Could have done some research on Wikipedia.

That's right. There's probably been a brunch episode on Rick and Morty. Yeah. But so the first place... Maybe Rick doesn't understand brunch and so The Flash doesn't understand brunch. Okay, well, that makes sense Morty. Yeah. But so the first maybe Rick doesn't understand brunch. And so the Flash

doesn't. Okay. Well, that makes sense to me. Yeah. Well, I mean, the Flash strikes me as more of a Jerry.

Got it. Diehard fans of Rick and Morty will understand that deep cut. They sure will. Yeah. So there's that post

credits, but then there's the second one. There's the second one where Lex Luthor has made his escape from prison and he's on a yacht and he's become Gene Hackman Lex Luthor. How did he do it? I don't know.

It's the suit. It's the suit. The suit and the neckerchief probably. It's strange that he jumped to that combination of clothing from like T-shirt and suit jacket and jeans or whatever he was wearing. But then it turns out that him and Deathstroke and somebody else, who else is in that? Just some women, I think.

Sorry? There's some just women standing around behind him. Oh, yeah. Is there not a third member there? And he's like, well, if these guys have a Justice League, we'll just have to form a league of our own. And everybody in the cinema went, like the baseball movie, because that's the only time anyone ever says that.

The only reference we have to the phrase, a league of their own. Yeah. Maybe he hasn't seen it. No, he must have seen it. He must have seen it. He must have at least buried it in his subconscious somewhere. I think so, yeah.

Yeah. Anyway, it's trivia time. Trivia, trivia, trivia, trivia, trivia. Our famous segment of the show. I love it. Yeah. That's our theme song. That's right.

So the prison guard in this, and also one of the cops we see, that's the original Jimmy Olsen from the Chris Reeve Superman movies. Oh, that is trivia. And also if you're watching the video version of this, all the other trivia from the IMDb, it's in there. We went through it step by step, piece by piece. That's right.

So please check. We haven't forgotten any trivia. It's in that. And if we've not mentioned something that you wanted us to mention, that's also in the extended version, isn't it? That's absolutely right. It's all there. We did not mention it. We've got all the trivia.

Yeah, you just won't pay attention. We've seen it and we're with you, the viewer and all listener. We've got it all up in the old noggin. Rest assured, we're all on the same page here. That's right. With regarding the knowing of trivia about this movie. I'm not sure we're entirely on the same page here. That's right. With regarding the knowing of trivia about this movie. I'm not sure we're entirely on the same page, because for me, it's fine.

Like this movie on its own. If you take it just on its own, it's like one of the okay Resident Evil movies. Okay. It's like Hobbs and Shaw. It's one of the dull X-Men movies. I mean, when you look at it in comparison to what came before it's a fucking nightmare it makes no sense but when you take it on its own for me yes it's just

a very very weird and average movie i see what you're saying i acknowledge what you say i know i'm wrong i know that you're not wrong it's just i feel like again you know they had so many opportunities they had so many chances to get this right. And it should have been way better. This is the Justice League movie. Exactly. It's crazy. This is some of the most iconic comic book characters ever put on the page and ever put on the screen.

And this is what you're giving us. Is that a Hobbs and Shaw? An okay Resident Evil movie. That's what we're getting with these guys. Good point. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. I like that. Put the zombie dogs on the guys. Good point. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah.

I like that. Put the zombie dogs on the team from Resident Evil, you know? I like Superman. He's having a good time. But it doesn't feel like that's the problem with it. I'm like, it's good to see you, Superman. Who is this, though? Right?

Yes. Did she get electrocuted in the head as well? Probably, I'd imagine. Anyways, are you looking forward to the Snyder Cut? Yeah, kind of now, yeah. Again, for me personally... At least it's... Even if it's worse, which some people say,

well, what if it's worse? How, for one? But at least it's a vision, you know? Exactly. Somebody made some choices. They weren't forced into some choices making this movie. Yeah, look, for me, the only way is up for the Snyder Cut. Or sideways. Definitely not down wow powerful words from a powerful shirtless man that's right he's shirtless that's right the whole time anyways it's been caravan of garbage we do this every week

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