The Weekly Planet - Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: July 3, 2025

The Superman extraveganzy bonanza continues with a look at Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman! Starting in 1993 and running for four seasons it achieved huge ratings over the majority of it's time before its eventual cancellation. Starring Teri Hatcher and Dean Cain and bringing sci-fi, romance and adventure to the small screen it's fondly remembered for a bunch of reasons some of which are almost certainly in this video. Thanks for watching our Caravan Of Garbage reviewSUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.coQm/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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extravaganza bonanza. Oh, is that it? Yup. The SEB? Ben, edit this into last week when I said that. It's a bonanza. Oh, is that it? Yeah. The SEB? Ben, edit this into last week when I said that. It's a good idea, it's a good name for this. It's a Superman extravaganza bonanza, okay. I like it.

So we're looking at three distinct eras of Superman on television, and I love the way they reflect the times. Yes. The 50s episodes were kind of serialized, the way that things were, and this one, Lois and Clark, The New Adventures of Superman, it's got that soap opera

kind of quasi sci-fi element which was everything in the 90s. Ali McBeal. Sliders. Ali McBeal except instead of the dancing baby, dancing Superman. Yeah, and etc. and etc. You know Jimmy Olsen's there. Two Jimmy Olsons. Lex Luthor's there sometimes. Sometimes he's there, he died.

Sometimes Jack's there. Hey Jack. What's up, Jack? Nice earring Jack Looking forward to seeing more of your adventures Jack. We watched a smorgasbord of these episodes We certainly did and you selected for extravaganza bonanza potential I can only assume I When this came out you left a like on your television screen like people leave a like on this video That's right. I left a like back in the day. Great, thank you. You just give a thumbs up to your TV back in the 90s. But I would tape these off the TV.

This was illegally. I can admit that now. The statute of limitations is gone from taping this. That was illegal? Yeah. I mean the only reason you have these is because we watched them off the tapes that I taped off the TV. Oh.

Yeah. I was going to make a weird pornography joke, Edd, but this will be an extended. Oh yeah. I was gonna make a weird pornography joke but this would be an extended. Oh yeah okay. The fact that I was going to do it but then I didn't. Do you think I was recording pornography off free to wear television in Australia in the 90s? And were you using tape that also had pornography on it? Oh I just. It was too complicated and it wasn't that funny. Did I put, so the VHSHS tapes I purchased the supermarket they had pornography on them already. No you This is why I didn't do it. Yeah, I can tell complicated. It's not a good joke Yeah, right. I think this should be in the video version as fine

It will then but I remember loving this up until this point I was under the impression that I had watched every episode of this, but I don't remember any of these Dude, this was a long time ago. This started in 1993. That's true, yeah. Went for four seasons. And also, it's old school television, so it was 22 episodes a season, which we'll get into the pluses and minuses

of 22 episode seasons of TV. Absolutely. Well yeah, so at this point, Superman, he'd had a pretty good run of movies. Well of course, his luck ran out with Superman, A Quest for Peace. And now he's back on television like an idiot. Right.

I mean there was a Superboy TV series and we might come back and do that another time. But yeah, this very much was... I don't want to say that he became a B-list character, but he fell far enough where you could afford to put him on TV. He's not Batman. He's never been Batman. No. Meh. See at one point he was bigger than Batman, but that was before Batman was invented

So 38 to like 39, you know, how come when he died? He was pretty big I'm actually gonna talk about how that ties into this show. But I would say, you know the mid 80s Superman got kind of a resurgence in comic books because he got rebooted after crisis on infinite earths One of your favorite comic book sagas. I like it. And so this is based I would say fairly heavily on like the John Byrne reinterpretation of this. His parents are alive again. He's more Clark than he is Superman.

Or you know, the idea that Clark is the real guy and Superman is the persona he adopts kind of thing, which is, which you know, they flip-flop, they go back and forth. You can do whatever. I think a lot of interpretations now is, and I know this is true for the new movie, where Clark is one thing, Superman is another, and anybody who knows who he is, they get the real version. They can reconcile. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, this also, James, very notable and relevant to us, is that this, I think, is the first piece of Superman extended media where they flip the Clark Superman hairstyles. Because back in the olden days, right, Clark Kent would have had the slicked back hairstyle because that was a professional news reporter look.

And then Superman was more like the rogue agent kind of thing. But in this, well it's the 90s baby. Everybody's got the curtain haircut, you know what I mean? They've got the curtains. Superman's got the slick look because he's a professional. They also had to do that for the flying scenes. It just makes it more manageable, special effects wise. That's true.

So it makes sense when you're doing TV budget, green screen. Manageable and fashionable, that's us. That's true. Hashtag manageable and fashionable. So this, I think is the first bemolleted version of Clark Kent. He's a little bit mulleted, isn't he? Again, this is pre-Death of Superman.

And he is more confident than what we'd seen of Clark Kent and apparently that's because he based His Clark Kent on George Reeves' version, but he's Superman on Christopher Reeves. Interesting. So that makes sense to me. I mean he is just he just shows up in Metropolis and he's like I'm gonna hit on everybody at this workplace quite frankly. There's also no reason why he's wearing glasses. They don't really explain it. But he is even wearing them when he's alone. Yeah!

But I mean the reason is he has to take them off at the end of the pilot when he puts the Superman suit on. Oh, I get it, Mason! Do you? I think you get it now that I've explained it to you. That's probably true. So apparently, Dean Cain was the first actor who auditioned, and he was dismissed initially for being more of a superboy than a Superman, even though he was 27. Uh-huh. It came down to apparently him and Kevin Sorbo,

who says that he actually booked Lois and Clark, and then 24 hours later they cancelled him and put in Dean Cain, but Sorbo and Cain luckily appeared in the movie God's Not Dead in 2014. So they've built bridges. They've built bridges, they've reconciled, that's perfect. TV's Hercules and TV's Superman coming together, big handshake.

That's great. Big Hercules handshake where you grab the forearms, remember they used to do that? I bet somebody's made an AI picture of that. Us? No, we're not gonna do that. We're not gonna wipe out a rainforest for that. But if we found one, here it is. If not, just imagine it. Remember Imaginations? Remember those? Yeah.

I don't. No. Yeah. Can't even think about it. That's right. Yeah. Sorry, one sec. You know, I don't. No. Yeah. Can't even think about it. That's right. Yeah. Sorry, one sec. You know, I rolled his sleeves up too far. It's fucking too far Mason.

Embarrassing for you. What were you doing? I can't get this goddamn Levi's jacket off. New jacket. New jacket and he's just decided- It's a good jacket though. You decided to debut it online, which is a huge mistake. Mm.

So you told me this just before we started recording, and we had to confirm it. Mm. That obviously Lois is in the title and the lead star of this series to a degree that this was initially going to be called Lois Lane or Lois Lane's Daily Planet. Allegedly. According to fan sources. No no so Deborah Joy Levine, Oh producer. Producer. She apparently pushed for this. Okay but come on put Superman in the title. What are you doing?

Well they did. They did. And this is a very canny move I think because you've got the Superman stuff for the boys, you've got the romance for the boys. Admit it the boys, you love the romance. We love it. Admit it. It's true.

It's good fun. Well I think they've got excellent chemistry. I think so too. Do you remember them just being on the cover of things together all the time? Absolutely. She's holding onto his tie. Mm-hmm. He's standing there. He's got the suit, he's got the shirt open. She's wrapped in his cape. Remember that one? Yeah, that's great stuff. So apparently Terri Hatcher was the first choice, but her hair was too long. So she went home, cut off her ponytail and came back in and they were just like great. Okay. I wouldn't even think of that

Yeah, that's crazy Wait a second women can have shorter hair God that you can do anything in the 90s You could absolutely anything so the episodes we looked at were the pilot an episode called fly hard Oh, yes, which is like a die-hard homage spin-off with some extra stuff Just thrown in cuz you could you could the 90s. I said spin-off. It's not a spin-off with some extra stuff just thrown in because you could you could in the 90s. I said spin-off. It's not a spin-off It's just loosely based on diehard. That's right. It's not official spin-off. No some episodes around a Villain called tempers who's from the future and the finale. Yes where they wrapped everything up, but not really They wrapped almost nothing up. Yeah

That had a big cliffhanger right at the end. It was never resolved. Well, I know the resolution, and we can talk about it at the end. What I would say about this show is, again, it is post the Batman animated series. Yeah. And so it has sort of, I think, made perhaps by coincidence more than anything,

it has adopted initially at first in the pilot that kind of aesthetic where it could be any era Yeah, it's sort of the 50 like that's the cabs are kind of old and like a lot of the old Facades on the buildings are quite old. I think I think it did sort of switch to just just the modern-day I mean it's cheaper in watching a few of these a lot of people were reminding us. It was the 90s It's the 90s. Just go with it. It's the 90s, I've got short hair now, etc. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No problems there. Also, this credits Joe Schuster and Jerry Siegel at the start, so that's something.

This would have been immediately post one of their family's lawsuits, I guess. Probably. Because you can see DC rubbing their hands together like any second we can, we're gonna whip these names right off this. And then we wait for the next lawsuit as is tradition. Absolutely. So with the pilot, as you mentioned, it is Clark Kent arriving at Metropolis. He's not Superman yet. He's doing little deeds to help people, but he's keeping a low profile. He doesn't really know what to do with himself. He's also pretty insufferable because he's traveled the world and he likes to tell

people about it. That's so true, isn't it? I would say as well though, this, the pilot does start off not with Clark Kent but but with the Daily Planet staff. For quite a long time. Yeah, that's true actually. With the benefit of hindsight, well yeah, obviously, it's about the staff of the Daily Planet. It's an ensemble. Just as much. The ones who they remember to bring back.

That's exactly right. But in watching this, I'm like, what's he, why's that gonna do the Superman stuff? Boring. Journal journalism, boring. It takes a while. And it is a two hour pilot also. Well, they put a lot of money into it also. So it was shot on 35 millimeter film. The Daily Planet Globe at the front of the building cost $15,000.

There's a lot of pretty impressive special effects, especially in the first episode. There's a moment where he floats up and fixes a light globe. And that was done with a board under him Which they then digitally erased they do the inception room the revolving room. I think of that as the Penn and Teller room I don't know if Penn and Teller actually use it But it's the one where they are they credited in this at the start not at all They hadn't done a lawsuit yet for people who don't know I mean here it is his various examples on screen

But it's they get you get a square room you put it on a kind of a rotating gimbal situation and you have the camera locked in yep that rotates with it and then you have the person sort of walk around and it looks like they're walking up walls and stuff like that I think that's a that's a that's a bit of fun that's a bit of old-school filmmaking which I quite like yeah the first episode the pilot certainly really kind of sort of emphasizes the magic element of Superman I think like sort of a Christopher Reeve homage, there's a moment where like he gives a homeless man a dollar while floating up in the air and the music's very like doodly doodly doodly doodly. You know it's kind of

like what a bit of fun. What a bit of Peter Pan magic, you know what I mean? And I would say the flying as in the green screen, it would have to be green screen I guess because he's in a blue suit for most of it. It's okay. It could be another colour. Pretty good for TV. It could be brown screen. It could be brown screen. It would have to be green screen I guess because he's in a blue suit for most of it. It's okay. It could be another color. It's pretty good for TV. Could be brown screen. Could be brown screen. Brown screen. Brown screen. You brown it. Then it's a brown screen. There's also a really fun moment where he's choosing his costume. Is it fun? It's fun and he goes through a montage and I just think full credit to everybody involved in this where they didn't try to Reinvent the Superman costume to make it cool. They leaned into the hokeyness of it Uh-huh, and he was a little bit exposed, you know, yeah, okay Yeah, but you like that scene, but do you like the costume?

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version is that the Superman suit isn't based on anything like in the universe. It's not based on anything Yeah, like it's not like he had a red and blue blanket in his... no he had a blue blanket Yeah, and an S. He had the S too s2. You have the s I guess that's true But like Mark Kent's just gone wild. She's just gone buck wild with this design She's just like yeah, whatever and then in the justification for like well, why isn't he wearing a mask? He's just like people won't recognize me. They're like, I guess so Alright, except when they go into that alternate dimension and everybody recognizes him straight away Yeah, but that's a story for another time in this video.

That's right. But anyway, also comic book magic, it's fine. Yeah, it doesn't matter. You can do whatever version of people don't recognize him you like. No one's looking at his face because he's got the costume. He vibrates his face so people can't see it. Sometimes the glasses do a thing. Hypnotism.

You can do the thing where Lex Luthor can't imagine that a Superman would have a mundane identity, you know That's fine. It's comic books. It's fine. It's comic books and it's fine It's fine. Also the line in this my mother made it for me. Yeah, he gets Complimented on his suit. I never realized that that's from this because that's famously in Superman for all seasons and more recently in Superman and Lois. That's right. Yeah, I just didn't know. It's a fun line! I just didn't know it was from here. Yeah. That's great.

Supporting cast, obviously. John Shay is Lex Luthor. Yep. Prominent in the first season, but I think you mentioned he's sort of... He mostly left after the first... Yeah. So the kind of so proper element of this is that he is in a relationship with Lois Lane over the first season and they're gonna get married and then it turns out that he's Lex

Luther. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah should have known. Should have married. Everybody involved should have known. That would have been like, oh that famous villain from the comic strip Alright, okay. I didn't recognize you because you have hair and comic book Lex Luther does not have hair. No. But yeah, he's a kind of you know, he's the mysterious billionaire of Metropolis and he's doing getting all sorts of stuff done and Spaceships. Spaceships., well I wanted to talk about that, Superman's debut as well. But there's a moment in this where he's just, he's had a successful kind of society, soiree or whatever and he's just in one of his drawing rooms

and he's sort of lounging by his fireplace, he's smoking a cigar and then like a snake comes in, the snake comes in and like it's gonna it's gonna strike him you know. It's gonna snake him. Is this is this some sort of you know is this some sort of corporate rival he's brought a snake in to kill Lex Luthor and Lex just turns around with tears in his eyes and he just stares it down for a bit and then he like I guess he successfully charms the snake

and then his snake handler emerges and is like is there anything else sir for the evening and he's like no that's fine I just char the snake. That's the thing I can do because I'm a corporate snake myself. I guess yeah I guess I don't know well this version also doesn't have parents or he was orphaned young or something Yeah, yeah, I'm like the smallville version. So he's all damaged from that yes, but he has snake powers Yes, yes, snake powers. Oh again. We talked about the daily planet stuff. I enjoy him a lot We got Michael Landers as yes original Jimmy Olsen. Yeah, we talked about the Daily Planet stuff. I enjoy him a lot. We've got Michael Landers as original Jimmy Olsen. Yeah, we can talk about what happened there. First season, Jimmy Olsen.

Lane Smith as Perry White. I think he's great. He doesn't say Great Caesar's Ghost anymore for some reason, I don't know. He says Great Shades of Elvis, which I think is fun. He does love Elvis. Oh yeah, so Superman's debut in this. One thing about this series is,

we talked about this last episode, you know, if you've got a guy who can do anything, how do you... How does that make for satisfying writing, I guess, and you know, satisfying viewing. And in the 1950s serial, you make him dumb. Then that just works. But in this, I thought it was interesting, you know, a lot of this is, how can he use his power surreptitiously and not have people realize he's Superman. I think there's quite a lot of effective use of that. It's cheaper too.

It is cheaper. So the pilot is all about, is a space station and the launches to it have been sabotaged and then all of a sudden Lex Luthor's like, I'm going to make my own space station and who could possibly be sabotaging? It's Lex Luthor obviouslyage it's Lex Luthor obviously it's Lex Luthor Yeah, but anyway So we get to the end of the pilot and they're gonna launch this this last attempt to get to the space station And of course, you know Lex Luthor's minions have put a bomb in the in the shuttle

And then Superman just shows up and he just walks into the shuttle and then he just grabs the bomb and he eats the bomb Yeah, and the only witness is Lois Lane and then they just they're like Superman's a hero. This is incredible That could just be a lunatic Maybe he did it maybe because where's there any proof that that was a bomb? He just what it's just a guy in tights in a cape, and he walked in and he went There's a bomb, but it's okay cuz I'm gonna eat the ball I had the bomb so I'm a hero actually. I didn't even consider that right? It's also not the only episode where he eats a bomb yeah

But also then he does he does launch the shuttle into space under his own power I guess that kind of proves it doesn't. At that point you gotta kind of you know at least accept that he can do Magnificent things, but he might also be a lunatic. But he might be a lunatic. But everybody's just like this guy's a hero Yeah, I think he might just be a super powerful lunatic. Yeah Mmm. Well, there's also episodes of course as you mentioned where he can't really use his powers the episode fly hard the die hard one They're all captured in a terrorist situation where they're trying to unearth an old safe I will say when you say they it's obviously, you know Clark and civilian guys the remaining members of the Daily Planet Lex Luthor is also there because he was on a date with Lois Lane, and Jack is also there.

You know, Jack, famously. Because we watched the first episode, then we watched episode 20 of season 1, and in between, Clark has seemingly adopted some, like, street tough youth named Jack with an earring, and he's just trying to teach him the ways of the world or something like that It's weird because he it's like Jimmy Olsen has a Jimmy Olsen. Yeah. Yeah, right Anyway, he's in this episode and then he doesn't come back for any subsequent seasons. No, we looked into it for no reason He's just not in the next ones. That's what happens cat grant the same. Hmm that actor disappears as well But yeah, you mentioned this one this this episode is really interesting because it is, like you said, it's the Die Hard episode. A bunch of gun-toting armed robbers show up at the Daily Planet after hours just blazing away with their machine guns expecting nobody to be there, of course, and they take all the Daily Planet staff hostage and they've been told that there is some hidden treasure and their leader, Tuvok from Star Trek Deep Space Nine, he's there and they've got to look into the the Daily Planet's

Distant past of the 20s or the 30s or the whatever, right? And what's fun? What's fun about this episode and and about TV shows in the 90s Generally is that they've not just done the die-hard They've also just added an additional novelty just because they can so there's scenes that are set back in the in the I think the 20s Where we see you know a mobster who's buried his treasure in the place where the daily planet would one day be and they've just gone Let's just get the regular cast to pretend to be them Let's film this in black and white and put them all in pinstripe suits and have a go. Yeah, she It's cheaper. It's cheaper. They're already there. The costumes already on the lot. I guess yeah

You didn't need to add any of that. You could have just been like, yeah, there was a vault and mobsters or whatever. Uh-huh. Like you don't watch an episode of The Bear, and they cut back to like the 1930s, and it's Cami's great-grandfather, and he's like, it's just Jeremy Allen White with a mustache and like a slicked back pompadour, and he's working in like a like a soup kitchen during the Great Depression. He's like boy. I'm working hard here I hope one day my my great-grandson will be work his way up to sandwiches But they could yeah, they've done flashbacks, and I feel they've wasted them So after this episode though you're right a couple things happened Jack leaves and Jimmy Olsen is replaced. Because Michael Landis apparently looked too much like Dean Cain and it's kind of true. He doesn't look like... I found him to be fun in the series.

But first of all that's not how Jimmy Olsen really looks in any version of the comics. I mean Justin Whelan doesn't look like him either. But what can you do? But he does look a lot like Dean Cain just shorter. Yeah I agree. And on top of that you mentioned yeah John Shay he was no longer a series regular because he didn't like the commute from New York to LA he did come back for a few appearances in subsequent seasons. I do remember an episode distinctly where he does shave his head. Yeah he comes- did he really shave his head though? Who's to say? He dies at the end of the first season he like falls off a building and then he's resurrected by an old love and the technology involved in that makes him bald

Give me a love. I'm gonna bring you back from the dead. So he died. He was resurrected Then he messes with some clone bodies and stuff. That's the professor X method of becoming bald Oh, yeah, you're on a mysterious machine and you go and all your hair gets blown off and you earn your baldness That's right But anyways then he eventually dies for real and the problem I guess with riding out Lex Luthor is you need other villains all The time and one of the only other recurring villains is a character called Tempus Who's kind of like if Matt Berry came back from the future. It's a little bit just a harassed Superman So this tempest character comes, I think for four episodes

This is where the show kind of becomes more legends of tomorrow Right because this episode involves HG Wells coming back from the future after traveling to the future With Tempest who's held him hostage. Yes, so they can go back to 1966 and kill baby Superman, but HG Wells before that managed to take him back to 1866 Uh-huh. Yeah So then it's a western also And so of course you get all the actors to just play different versions of the dead They're you do the back to the future 2 and 3 thing where they just go and they're just like, okay Maren Park, Canada

Their ancestors look exactly the same somehow. I don't want to think about the genetics of that really, or the potential inbreeding there, but that's fine. That's fine! And this also addresses why Lois Lane doesn't know Superman's identity. This is the first time she finds out, though it gets erased through time travel logic. Not really logical, it doesn't matter. But she comes to the realisation that like, oh my god, I'm such an idiot and whatever, and kinda yeah. Yeah.

Kinda. Cause of the face thing? Yeah, he has the same face. And just a slightly different haircut? They both showed up the same week. Yeah, that's right. You know. I would say, yeah.

You know, I would say that the erasing is probably a wise call. You know, people always talk about moonlighting syndrome. It was Bruce Willis and- Sybil Shepherd. Sybil Shepherd, and they were in a TV series together and it was kinda will they, won't they, People always talk about moonlighting syndrome. It was Bruce Willis and... Cybill Shepherd. Cybill Shepherd. And they were in a TV series together. It was kind of will they, won't they?

And then they did. And then viewership dropped off a cliff legendarily. You know, you can't have the main characters get together except in a world with time travel and memory erasing kisses and all sorts of... You could do it every week. Absolutely. Well, they did eventually get married. That's true.

Right? So, Lois and Clark knew what... The new adventures of Super week. Absolutely. Well, they did eventually get married. That's true. Right? So Lois and Clark knew what it was. The new adventures of Superbad. Correct. Great joke. I took a big swig of soft drink and I had to jump in. This is only going the extended as well. It's not even worth it. Right? Carry on. So you would have remembered this at the time, but Lois and Clark were planned to be married in the comics, so they thought, well, let's make this correspond with the series as well. So the comic book writers needed a story to kind of tide them over until that happened. Stall.

And they ended up doing the death of Superman. That's right. I mean, that also coincided with, they got to bump those numbers up, you know what I mean? Absolutely, yeah. So, you know, do a stunt. Yeah, do a stunt. And that worked really well. And the comic book industry has sort of survived on stunts ever since.

Yeah, and some people say that them getting together and getting married was kind of the death of this series, but it kind of was petering out. Right. At the height of its popularity, it would average about 15 million views per episode. 50 million? 15 million. 15 million views per episode. 50 million? 15 million. 15 million? Still big. Still a lot. Well some of them hit as high as 20 and by the end it was under 5 million. Oh yeah, not 5 viewers. Not even the full cast of the show was watching.

Whoever was left, yeah. Dean Cain said recently in an interview with Michael Rosenbaum that it was also partially because Terry Hatcher was pregnant. So they might have just gone, I don't know, is this even worth doing anymore? And we'd have to ride around that and she'd be away and whatever. I don't know whether that's true. That's just what he said. Oh, oh. But yeah, there's also just to come back to it quickly, there's an episode where they go into an alternate reality, also Tempus related, where Superman doesn't exist and

he's with Lana Lang and he never became Superman because his parents died So he's got the powers and he's kind of running around Just running around basically. Also I love the idea that they brought in Tempus because it's just a guy in a vest Yeah, like they can't have metallo or dark side or whoever because it's just that would require stuff Hey, we found this sort of metal puffy vest in wardrobe. Well, let's do a time travel guy. It's fine.

What's fun about this episode is he eats a bomb again, because I guess all the bombs in this universe are edible size. Alvis is also alive. That's good for Perry White. Absolutely. Maybe in this universe he's not a pedophile. Perry White? No. I mean, yes, but also- You'd rather Perry White be a pedophile. Peri-white? No. I mean yes, but also...

You'd rather Peri-white be a pedophile? Well he's fictional, so I guess I'd rather a fictional pedophile than a real pedophile. If I had to pick Mason. Okay, you've made the correct choice. Is this going in the video version? I don't know. Might not be going in any version. That's right.

And this version doesn't have Lois Lane to inspire Superman also. So she makes that right, which I think is really fun where she basically props Superman up and then jumps back to her universe. I think that's that's cool. That is cool. But anyways, so in the finale, yes, blah blah blah, a guy with a big head, telekinesis, whatever. Oh, yeah, Mr. Big Head Man. Fathead, whatever they call him. That's right. Yes, exactly. Yeah, that happens. It's just kind of like, and it did really feel like series on fumes Yeah, we're bringing a big fat head guy and then but then of course mm-hmm a mysterious figure shows up. Who is it? I don't know probably Kryptonian guy. Yeah some guy. I don't know anyway shows up, and he's like hey Lois and Clark I hear you wanted to have a kid, but you can't because of Kryptonian DNA and Earth DNA

That's right, but what about if I gave you a kid? Here's one. No questions asked. Free kid, what do you reckon? And they love it. Yeah. And that's the end. That's right.

So executive producer Brad Buckner said the story would be that it was a baby of Kryptonian royalty. OK. And if they went into season five, it was supposed to be Lawson Clark protecting the baby from potential assassins And then I guess they raise it as their own. I mean depending on the universe Lawson Clark do have children

They can or they can't or they adopt or whatever. Sure. Yeah, so, you know, it's whatever isn't it? And in some universes Spider-Man has radioactive semen. That's right. Yeah, it's not related to this It's just a fun fact to throw in there sometimes Is this gonna make the video? Yes, definitely great bad sperm. It is it's true Anyways, it's time for Lois and trivia the new adventures of trivia. That's great Gerard Christopher auditioned for the role of Superman and he was actually chosen by the casting director However, when the casting director subsequently read Christopher's resume He realized that he actually starred in Superboy from 1988 director. However, when the casting director subsequently read Christopher's resume, he

realized that he actually starred in Superboy from 1988. She immediately dismissed him. According to Christopher, she told him, you've already done this. Alright, first of all, does work experience count for nothing? Imagine if that happened in any other field. We're hiring a new plumber. Hmm, so you were a a plumber. No Not again. No, no, no, no Phyllis Coates who played Lois's mother Alan in the house of Luther 1994 previously played Lois Lane in Superman and the Mole Men and the first season of the Adventures of Superman Oh, yeah, you remember both Frank Gorsham and Adam West from Batman 66 portrayed characters on this show. That's right They also apparently went to that orgy or something, remember?

You know that story of them going to an orgy and they didn't break character? I don't know this. I've only seen it on Twitter. Maybe it's not real. Maybe somebody made it up and you know, it's a bit of fun. Seems real. Yeah. Seems real to me. Batman is also referenced four times during this series run.

That's right. Which means that I guess he's out there. And Dean Cain and Terry Hatcher both appeared in Supergirl 2015 referenced four times during this series run. That's right. Which means that I guess he's out there. And Dean Cain and Terry Hatcher both appeared in Supergirl 2015 where Cain portrayed Jeremiah Danvers, the adoptive father of Kara Zor-El, and Hatcher played the mother of Mon-El. They of course both also cameoed in Smallville as different characters. That's right. One was villain of the week and the other one was whatever.

Anyways. Anyway, we're talking Smallville next week. We're excited. We're going to be talking about it, Mason. That's right. One was villain of the week and the other one was whatever. Anyways. Anyway, we're talking Smallville next week. We're excited. We're gonna be talking about it, Mason. But in terms of the future of this series, what's interesting about it? There isn't any. There isn't. There is a 2025 at time of recording. It hasn't come back. But what is interesting is that, first of all, Dean Cahn and Terry Hatcher, they mentioned that they wanted a revival in 2018. Okay. Hasn't happened as of yet. I also feel that Superman and Lois is kind of like the spiritual sequel to this because that's the Lois and Clark have a family and settle down

kind of series. That's right. Settle down. That was the slogan for the TV series. It was on all the posters. Settle down. Settle down. Superman and Lois. God. Also, interestingly, this universe doesn't have a number. Oh, in terms of the infinite multiverse It's not a sign to us. Whatever whatever whatever you know

Yeah, someone should fix that not me, but someone James Gunn James Gunn fix that get on Threads or whatever you do and fix this place right if you're not too busy He seems kind of busy if you're not too busy. I say okay all right To come up with a random number. Yeah, it hasn't already been taken Yeah, man. Wow or even what you could do take a number that's already been taken and then everybody gets mad Just say this is earth one We fixed it yeah, yeah Anyways, if you want to come back next week to hear us talk about a bunch of smallville stuff

Oh my god, Mason. I've got so much stuff to say. We actually did do a video on one particular episode of Smallville. It's the one with Alan Richson in it. That's right it's sort of the Justice League that one. That's right it's sort of the Justice League. If the Justice League just wore hoodies. Just walked around with hoodies on. They're like I'm real special under this hoodie. Can't show you though. I'm cyborg but I got a hoodie on. He's hard to do on TV. Don't do it then. Put a hoodie on him. Great point. Silver hoodie.

You can actually see that earlier at BigSandwich.co but that's not the only thing that goes up there. We also do video game let's plays. We do bonus podcasts. We do movie commentaries. So true. We also have a podcast called The Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows that comes out there every Sunday,

as opposed to Monday where you can find it on its own YouTube channel, Spotify, Apple. We're of course going to have an episode on the upcoming Superman 2025, just called Superman. That's right. All right, everybody, we'll see you in the next one. We'll wrap that, Jim. You guys, we'll see you next week.

Up, up, and let's go! Let's go. Hope this Superman movie's good. I don't know what I'm gonna do if it's not Mason. Something drastic? Something drastic! That's terrific. It's not gonna be good. No one's gonna like it.