The Weekly Planet - Man Of Steel - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: June 4, 2020

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We're back for another Caravan of Garbage, the show where we look at things and go like, hey, what do you think of this? What do we think of this? And then people yell at us about our opinions, whether they be good or bad. Oftentimes they say, why is this movie in Caravan of Garbage? It's not garbage.

And we say to them, it's just the title of the video series. We didn't think it through that much. Didn't think it that hard. So not everything in here is garbage, but presumably some of the people who have already thought that have already either stopped watching or have clicked dislike. Or have told us to kill ourselves in the comments. Anyway.

Leave a like if you could. Yeah, this week we're talking about Man of Steel. That's right, because we are doing the Zack Snyder Man of Steel trilogy. It's kind of loosely called. Yeah, we're doing the oeuvre of Zack Snyder. Oh, my goodness. I'll start again. I went way down the wrong way.

Kombucha? That'll do it to you. Fuck me. Now you've got... I've got a different voice now for the rest of the video, even if I edit this out. And you've got bacteria in your lungs. Fuck.

Weird kombucha bacteria. Oh, my goodness. Sorry, go on. Well, look, we're covering the complete oeuvre of Zack Snyder, except not Dawn of the Dead and not that Owls movie. No, not the Owls movie. Just his DC stuff. To open things up, as I think we should, which is what the movie does,

let's just talk about Krypton and what's going on in Krypton. I know it's a nonsense planet that doesn't make any sense. Sure. But I love it. I love that it's not just crystals and glass and people in white coats going, well, it's happened. I mean, there's a bit of that. They're more in capes. There are more

jewel-encrusted capes going, but they are going, That's right. It's weird dirty rocks and giant dragonflies and gold helmets. It's got a particular planned, beautiful aesthetic. Yes. A ridiculous aesthetic that makes no sense.

As I've maybe perhaps mentioned in previous videos, what do you do on the planet Krypton? If you're not a warrior, you're not a scientist, you're not on a council, what do you do? Because there's nothing in any of the rooms. There doesn't seem to be anywhere to go. Can you go to the movies? And if so, do you have to catch a giant dragonfly and fly to the movies?

Is the movies just a giant pin art screen? And you're like, who is anybody in this? Who, what have you got to live for on this planet? I feel maybe the unanswered question is that if you go over one of those, you know, endless beautiful mountain ranges, there's just regular suburbs. It's just people going to the mall. Just apartment buildings. Going to play mini golf, you know. in rangers there's just regular suburbs it's just people going to the mall just apartment going to play mini golf you know the strange thing about the pin art which is the way you

communicate you're like is that my wife i can't really tell they also have incredibly lifelike holograms so it's weird that they would defer to that well there's a moment in the earlier part of the movie where jor-el is talking to lara his wife, and he's seeing her on a pinboard, and she says, Jor-El, look out. So she can see him and all his surroundings, but he can just see the pinboard. So is she looking at a TV screen? I don't know.

Yeah, right? What if she had a bigger pinboard that also shows, like, is your home pinboard? Is it the size of the wall and it also includes all the background? It's entirely possible. It could wrap around. We don't really know. Oh, my God, wrap around pinboard. Is it the size of the wall and it also includes all the background? It's entirely possible. It could wrap around. We don't really know. Oh my god, wrap around pinboard.

That being said, I love the idea of how they set up this doomed Krypton the way that they often do where it's just dumb bureaucrats in stupid hats

being like, the planet's not dying, religion will live forever and whatever and then the planet explodes. It's the dumbest council in the world who then put

all the racists and horrible kind of blood feuding families in dick rockets and fire them to safety. Look, I have so many questions about the whole thing. First of all, they're like, exactly. They're like, well, we have precisely 10 devices that... We'll usher you to safety. Yeah, that's right.

Should we use them? No, let's give them to the criminals. Let's definitely do that. Secondly, Jor-El mentions to Zod at some point during the Krypton sequence that the birth of his and Lara's child is the first natural birth in centuries. Heresy! Which, for me, opens this whole big can of worms. It's like, is maybe the reason that everybody on this planet is so angry

is nobody's been laid in like 300 years. Is that maybe? Look, I'd imagine there's still. Is that why all the stuff looks like dicks? Is that, is this just I'm asking? I'm asking. I'm just asking questions. It's not an unreasonable question.

And the thing is, these questions I have about this society and this council and why they do the things they do. Bear in mind, this isn't a criticism. I have criticisms. I have criticisms that I'm going to get to them. But they're a dying, doomed civilization, and they just do dumb things. So I'm entirely okay with it. I also like the idea that Jor-El is this guy who,

he was born as a scientist, he was raised to be a scientist, and he just goes, you know what? I'm going to teach myself Kung Fu. Fucking no one sees it coming. When they're just walking him off, they don't think he's just going to be throwing elbows. They've all been raised that way, and he's just tearing through them

because he probably, you know, he took a year off to probably just practice some Kung Fu. He took a year off and he watched the Dark Knight trilogy is what happened. That's why he's throwing all those knees and elbows. I love it, though. I love that idea that in this civilization, you can go beyond yourself if you want to,

and it's unusual, and nobody expects it. You can just do whatever you want if you want to and it's unusual and nobody expects it right you can do what you can just do whatever you want if you want to you apply yourself you can birth your own child yeah he's the only man with a dick on that planet is what i'm saying it's all i'm saying we don't have any evidence for or against but i'm just saying if you didn't have one maybe you'd be grumpy god damn michael shannon is good in this right good he's terrifying and you believe everything that he's saying. Physically, he looks good. Like, he looks like a guy who could potentially be a foil to a Superman.

And the other thing is, he's got a lot of good ideas that are right because he's like, the planet's exploding and I want to stop that. But he cuts his own hair. But he cuts his own hair. And then, of course, also there's the weird bloodline racist stuff that I don't agree with. Yeah. But I think like all good villains

they've got a point to an extent oh yeah absolutely and he's just been pushed that little bit too far because people aren't listening to him yeah i mean there's even a point when when zod and jor-el have their first conversation in that throne room yeah and i'm going well they say why wouldn't they be on the same side and then it all the racism i say i get it i get it now right yeah that's it i love all the uh codex bloodline stuff and it's all kept in like a ancient kryptonian monkey skull yeah and it's it's really important they got to usher it off the planet and he dives into the pool and he swims through and the alarm system goes off and he's in he's in his tight superman onesie i love it i'm all for it his super drawers that's right and then when he grabs it and

he climbs out and he just cracks it on the rock. Clack. That's fine. Don't even worry about it. Just this skull that's millions of years old. It would have been a much shorter movie if he just did it. Oh, it's a very old skull. I didn't factor that in.

Yeah, that's right. It's turned to dust now. Here's a question, though. Yes. And it will factor more into the end of the movie. Do you think it would have been a better idea for him to give that to Zod to have the civilization survive?

I think it might have been a better idea to give him like a decoy skull or anything. Okay, sure. Instead in this movie, Jor-El pretty much gives the game away immediately. He's like, guess what? We had a kid and we've got the codex. We're shooting it into space.

Yeah. Over that way. That's right. Don't even worry about it. I know you're jealous of his dick, but you stay away from him, all right? You'll never get him. Oh, you can still see the rocket and you're going to shoot it down?

Here's a tip for you. Jor-El, where's the codex? I threw it in the bin. I broke it when I climbed out of the pool. That's right. There's a pin art video of it you can look at. And then Zod would be like, that's actually pretty plausible. It was very fragile.

Oh, well, I guess our civilization's done. Yeah, that's it. So, yeah, I like all the Krypton stuff, in summary. And I like that they just didn't defer to the crystal Chris Reeve stuff, which, again, I also like, and they borrow that a lot in the comics. But this is a different Superman. And I think the criticisms that have been leveled at this is that it's not the Chris Reeve version.

But it's different, and that's okay. It's a different universe. I don't agree with everything that they've done here but at least it's not Superman Returns is what I'm saying Exactly, precisely, yes

I also like how most of the growing up stuff with Clark is done in flashback I had a question about the flashbacks Sure It's not a question, James I'll rephrase I have a theory about the flashbacks

Okay Because a lot of this is it's modern day Clark Kent and then it flashes back to an important moment in young Clark's life. In re-watching this, I feel pretty confident in saying that I think they put the flashbacks in the wrong order

and nobody noticed until the movie came out and then it was too late to do anything about it. Because there's a scene in the movie, present day Clark, he's working at like a truck stop diner and a guy gives him some grief. Yep. And then later in the movie, day clark he's working at like a like a truck stop diner and a guy gives him some grief yep and then later in the movie like half an hour later there's a flashback where young clark kent is being like pushed around by some bullies and the question is what kind of man

are you gonna grow up to be clark are you gonna are you gonna uh you're gonna stand up to bullies where do you know it happened half an hour ago and we know exactly what he's gonna do he's gonna take all the abuse then he's gonna walk outside and he's going to do. He's going to take all the abuse, then he's going to walk outside, and he's going to impale the guy's truck on a bunch of logs, and then he's going to leave. Do you think that's too far to ruin this man's livelihood potentially? I think he deserved it. I think he kind of deserved it, but also Clark's like 6'4", right?

And this guy was like maybe a foot shorter than him. Yeah, I love that moment where he shoves him. And nothing happens's just he's just a wall he doesn't even flinch and the guy's face is just like what what has just happened but also it's a rowdy truck stop bar and i guess my question is it wouldn't be out of place if a guy who worked at the bar was like you're making trouble stop doing that or i'll throw you out yeah you won't have to take a a glass of beer to the face just pick him up and hurl him out the door. Yeah, absolutely. And the boss would be like, good job, Clark.

Yeah, because he could. Yeah. He could pick him up by the scruff of the neck. Right. And throw him out the door like he's nothing. There's another flashback where Park Kent, he sat a young Clark down and he's like, you're going to have to make a choice, Clark. You're going to have to.

Are you going to be nice or are you going to drown kids in a school bus? Exactly. You're going to, I've written it here. It says you're going to have to make a choice, Clark. You're going to have to... Are you going to be nice or are you going to drown kids in a school bus? Exactly. I've written it here. It says you're going to have to make a choice, a choice of whether to stand proud in front of the human race or not. Like, are you going to be a hero? Yeah. But again, right at the start of the movie,

he rescues a bunch of dudes from a burning oil rig. And they're all like, they could presumably all be like, yeah, we saw his face and he's on fire that whole time. We could pick him out of a lineup if we wanted to. Like, I feel like maybe if they'd moved some of these around, you'd be like, yeah, we saw his face and he's on fire that whole time. We can pick him out of a lineup if we wanted to. I feel like maybe if they'd moved some of these around, you'd be like. Or you'd get the natural progression more. Yeah, and obviously because it's a Superman movie, we know he's going to be Superman.

But for someone who maybe went into this with fresh eyes and let's presume there's somebody out here who doesn't know who Superman is and watches this movie, they'd be like, yeah, we know he's going to be a hero because he saved those people. That being said, his father puts him on a path in this movie where it's very lucky that he didn't turn out to be the kid from Brightburn. Oh, yeah.

I just think one of my major problems with this movie is the characterisation of Jonathan Kent. And I think he mostly is done right in Smallville, Chris Reeve movies, a lot of the animated stuff, comics. He's done it right a lot of the time because he pushes Clark to better himself. And Clark's like, I want to play sport and show people what I can do. And Parkins often runs second. Yeah, exactly.

He's like, run second. You want to be a pro athlete. You think that's the extent of your abilities. That's what you want to do with these amazing gifts that you have. You need to think bigger. You need to think about humanity. Think about how many logs you can put through a truck, Clark. Yeah, that's right.

How many? Yeah, this version of Park Kent is very much like, I don't think you should try, Clark. I think you should hide away. Yeah. And I don't think you should bring any attention to this. It's so important that you don't bring any attention to you being any different from anybody else.

P.S., I took this piece of metal from your spaceship and I brought it to a metallurgist and he was like, this is a crazy piece of metal. I've never encountered anything like this in my entire life. Anyway, here's the piece of metal back and I'm never going to mention this ever again. Yeah, absolutely. One rule for Parkin and it's one rule for Clark, isn't it?

Well, that's not wrong. I also have a massive problem with the tornado death. I've written here. It's entirely tornado death. I've written here. Let me, let me see. It's entirely avoidable. Uh, I've written here.

Hang on, let me find it. The death of Park Kent is the dumbest death in the history of cinema. I don't know about the dumbest death in the history of cinema. It's the dumbest death. I think for such a serious movie as well, it doesn't, it doesn't play.

The idea also that it's not even the moment where he doesn't rescue him, which he could, because first of all, nobody is looking at Clark in that moment. Everyone's looking at Parkin. He could run in, grab him. No one would even see what happened, right? The other thing is, before they even get to the underpass, he says to Clark, I'll go back for the dog here, carry this kid.

I move at regular speed and I can get my foot caught in a car door, which would happen to you. If it happened to you, you'd walk through it like it was tinfoil. move at regular speed and I can get my foot caught in a car door. Yeah. Which would happen to you. If it happened to you, you'd walk through it like it was tinfoil. All the steps leading up to that make no sense. Well, they make sense if you consider that that scene needed to be dramatic and move the plot forward. Yes. Did it make any sense?

No, but it did those other things, didn't it? I also think the lesson doesn't work. Look, again, this isn't the Chris Reeve movies. And I don't want it to be. And that's absolutely fine. But in those movies, the lesson learned from Clark Kent's dad is he dies of a heart attack and he realises that despite all his insane powers, he can't save everybody.

But this is a scenario where he definitely could have saved him. I think this is intended to be his Spider-Man, Uncle Ben, with great power comes great responsibility thing, and he decided not to, and that's a real big mistake he made. Yeah. But there was no villain here. It was just a... Big gust of wind.

Big gust of wind. And yeah, it's like Park Kent went in there like, well, it'd be a bit suspicious if you went in there and saved the dog and survived. So me, a much older man with no powers going in, who's definitely going to die, it'll make much more sense if I come out of this alive, which I won't.

I'm going to die. Anyway. Also, if I could just refer everybody to groundzeroshelters.com. This is in relation to hiding under an underpass with a tornado. Don't do it. Okay. Because it can create a wind tunnel and destroy you anyway. Stay in your car with your seatbelt on, put your head down below the windows,

covering your head with your hands and with a blanket if possible, or get... This is just a PSA. Why am I doing this? Or if you can get lower than the level of the roadway, exit your car and lie in that area covering your head with your hands. It's a common misconception to go under an overpass is what I'm saying. I'm trying to save lives out here, Mason.

I'm like Superman. That's right. Look, I've always learned that if you're countering a tornado, try to go onto a golf course and hold your golf club up really high above your head. All right. The lightning will distract you from the tornadoes. Definitely. I think Henry Cavill's great in this.

I think so too. I think he gets less and less to do in these movies after this one. I think he's kind of hard done by in Batman v Superman, which we'll come back to. But I think overall, with the material that he's given, the physicality of the performance, how he looks, how hairy his chest is, I love that. That's very Death of Superman

thrown that back in. I'm okay with it. I think he's terrific. How do you feel about him and the suit though? Yeah, you're right. He's got the physicality. He's got the range as an actor, and he's got the potential to be the Superman that maybe is one that's filled with hope.

The one they shoehorn into the end of Justice League. That's exactly right. And again, if you want a grim and gritty Superman, he can do that as well. And at this point we didn't know whether it was going to be a franchise or not. It was just a kind of stand-alone. I think they should have put in the under well. Yeah. And, you know, at this point, we didn't know whether it was going to be a franchise or not. Yeah. It was just a kind of standalone. I think they should have put in the underpants. Sure.

I don't even like the underpants. But I don't mean the full underpants. Yeah, right. Like, you know, do it. Maybe a red belt. Yeah, like a red belt situation, you know, like an extended bike short. I don't know.

I know they did try multiple variations and they couldn't get the look right. But, yeah, I don't mind the underpants. I think it can look okay. Like think of Iron Man. Iron Man traditionally, like the 60s version, had an iron suit with underpants. Big underpants.

Big underpants. But in the modern day version, he's still got like the red in the middle. They break it up. They break it up. Yeah, do that with this suit. I think the problem with this suit is... As women, our life stages come with unique risk factors, like when our estrogen levels drop during menopause, causing the risk of heart disease to go up. Know your risks. Visit heartandstroke.ca.

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compared to the also muted world like he doesn't pop enough out of it and I'm not saying don't go garish spandex but I'm saying

wear something that kind of lifts him above the kind of grey tone of a lot of this movie and that lifts him above the villains because in this movie

there's even a moment where the soldiers are like the boss is like open fire and they're like even the man in blue like I think

they're all wearing blue I don't know I'm on a battlefield I don't know what colour anybody is alright I'll just keep shooting I mean it's not working

but I'll keep shooting also I think Lois Lane is great at this I think she's probably the best Lois Lane I know that's kind of heresy yes if you look back again at the 70s movies and the other versions that we've got but I think she's probably the best Lois Lane. I know that's kind of heresy. Yes.

If you look back again at the 70s movies and the other versions that we've got. But I think she does a lot of actual reporting. She does a lot of screaming. She does a lot of screaming, but not too much screaming. She does a lot of being invited to like a military base where they're digging up something and they don't know what it is yet. But they're like, we better bring the media just in case. Yeah, that's right. Just in case this is an alien thing. and then we can deny all knowledge of it after

showing it to her let's talk about an alien thing okay i'd like the idea of the fortress of solitude in this that it's a crashed scout ship from yep thousands of years prior i think that's an interesting take on that in the sense that you can plug in you know like a new kryptonian key and all of a sudden it's it's. It's your fortress of solitude. I like that a lot. But they also kind of entirely abandon it in later movies in terms of a place that Superman can go to for refuge. Yeah, and it was also intended, I think, as well,

to be potentially the origin story of Supergirl as well. Oh, we'll come back to that. Yeah, we've seen Epipod there. I do have a note about uh this particular ship um so jor-el sent kal-el to earth with basically a usb stick it explains his origins and contains a copy of his dad yep like in the usb stick but nothing on his ship to read it so he's made the leap yeah that even if jor-El knows about this scout ship on Earth, that Clark will find it even though it's been buried in the ice for nearly 20,000 years. Maybe the military never finds it and he's just walking around with this USB stick in his pocket going, I wish I knew what my destiny was.

That being said, it's also entirely possible the ship that brought him does do that and he's never tried it. They've never put it together for some reason. Yeah, right. Or that also he knew that ship was there and still functional because he has some information about the planet Earth. Or maybe he has the stick and he goes to his birthing capsule spaceship to try it and he puts it in upside down and it doesn't work and he turns it around and he puts it in and it's still upside down for some reason.

He just keeps trying it and it's always upside down with his USB sticks. Why doesn't it work both ways? I will say this though about their relationship getting back to the jonathan kent thing that moment where they're talking about where he's from and he just has this real existential crisis of like not that i'm adopted i'm not from this planet and he's just like i want to just be a regular kid why can't i just be your son and he's like you are my son none of that none of that matters like fuck all that like yeah the most important thing is that you know i still love you despite all of this none of that matters like fuck all that like the most important thing is that you know

I still love you despite all of this I think that's a terrific moment again the problem with Jonathan Kent isn't the performance or little moments like that it's the fact that he's

a dumb dad who dies in a tornado I think mate was that the idea behind okay well well Jor-El is like the big man of action sure

and Pa-Ken is the man of just sit calmly in your seat and keep your seatbelt on. Yes, I think... And they needed that contrast to be like, he's got to choose one. I think that is the idea, but he's too much of a downer. Like, he's dragging him down too much. Yeah.

You know, I can understand him going... I'm glad that tornado took him, quite frankly. It did everybody a favour. Who knows what would have happened. You know what I also like about this movie? Yes. There's not so much kryptonite as there is... He hadn't been recently exposed to the Kryptonian atmosphere

and that is his Kryptonite. It's this really heavy environment that he's just not used to. Yeah, right. And it's just this crushing weight on him. I think that's a really interesting idea. I think so too. Yeah.

I also like the physicality of all the Kryptonians in this. The moment where Zod flips that truck like it's a tin can. Yep. The fight scene in Smallville is amazing. I agree, yeah. It's so good.

And again, you know, there are elements of the Christopher Reeve Superman movies that I like and don't like. There's, you know, some great Superman and Justice League cartoons that have great characterizations of Superman. But I feel like this is the first movie that we really feel the physicality of beings

that can fly beyond the speed of sound and just crash into buildings and destroy them. IHOPs. IHOPs and with, and see as RIP, and just not feel it. Yes. But at the same time- They can be damaged.

Yes. Which I think also raises the stakes for everybody and means the army serves an actual purpose there they might not be greatly impacting what's going on yeah but they have some play in what is going on in that scenario at one point fiora does get hit by a missile and she is yeah at least temporarily knocked out so we know we know i guess at least until they achieve their full superman level powers yeah you know the longer they spend on Earth. Yes. But until that time, they are kind of vulnerable. Also, Fiora and Christopher Meloni's character, to me,

have this weird romantic subplot. They never say anything, but I feel like Christopher Meloni's character, whose name I cannot recall nor will I look up because he's always Christopher Meloni in everything to me. That's all we need. Beautiful man. Immediately upon seeing her, you see him fall in love.

Yes. He's like, oh, my stars. What a beautiful alien lady. I love how he brought a knife to an indestructible Kryptonian fight. Yeah, right? And he just goes, I guess I'm just doing this, even though I'm about to be shredded. Sure.

I love it. I think he's really good in this movie. I think he's great. But what I also like about that scene Which doesn't play in the final battle in Metropolis He's actively saving people And trying to prevent destruction And look, we will get to it

But that is a major problem for me in this movie And that's where it kind of falls apart in a big way The world engine is not terrible Well I've written here Not only is it not terrible, but it's the perfect superhero movie finale machine because it generates both fire and smoke and it shoots a blue sky beam. Yeah, it does it all.

It's just, hey, you want an environment for a finale? You want some smoke to obscure some bad CGI? You want a laser beam to know that there's some stakes happening? Look, I hope that laser beam doesn't go on too long because otherwise big trouble. But I like that it's you see the crushing atmosphere and gravity effect. It's not just blasting, there's other things going on. I also forgot that he

sort of fights a squid, whatever. It's not really important. But what I don't like about it and this is the problem I think with a moment in Superman Returns, he manages to fly through it just because he believes in himself. Maybe there should be more to it than... Maybe stand back and shoot it with your laser eyes

instead of standing directly under the beam, the crushing weight of it. I know, it's just my thought. I had another thought, which was it's a terraforming machine. I guess my question is if you start out on a world where you cannot... breathing the atmosphere might kill you,

why are you terraforming that planet? Terraform a different planet. You can have Jupiter. I don't care. But I don't think the atmosphere kills you. I think it's overwhelming. I think that's the difference. I think he's just a prick. That's what it comes down to.

I did wonder why he thought that showing Clark like a hallucination of a destroyed Earth with this endless field of skulls. I wonder why he thought that might be like that would convince Clark. That's a good idea. That would really convince him. Yeah, I'm on board with this terraforming plan now. Oh, is that my friend Lana's skull? Terrific.

I'm on board now. I love sinking in skulls. So we're going to talk about the finale. I know people have kind of excused it to death, and we've been openly criticized for saying that why does Superman not so much knock down so many buildings, which he does, but also allow this to happen. There's even a moment where they go into space and they drop back straight down.

Back into the city. Go somewhere else, obviously. To be fair, that is addressed at the start of Batman v Superman, which we'll come back to. Like, why is he doing this? It all looks good. The punching is great. It's all very realistic.

But the idea that he decides to wipe Krypton out entirely by crashing that ship into so many buildings, killing not only what's left of his planet, but also tens of thousands of people in Metropolis. To be fair, we never actually see any human deaths. I believe Zack Snyder made the point of saying it's something like 5,000 people were killed, which is quite a lot. But then it all comes down to that one moment of a neck snap.

Oh, yes. And people say that an excuse is that what was he supposed to do in that scenario? Fly away? Well, I understand that like... Use his super speed to move those people out of the way? Yeah, sure. All of those things. Maybe he could stand in front of the heat vision.

Move really fast. Well, that's my point. Just write a different scenario. Yep. You know, I understand that he wants to save people. It's not the killing Zod that I so much have a problem with. Because he does kill occasionally. He'll kill if he has to.

Well, here's the thing as well. It also builds up to a moment where he kills odd and then he's then he's torn up he's destroyed by it and again if you but look what just happened i know right yeah but if you well that also but also if you if you know superman as a character you go well he probably doesn't tries not to kill that many people but if you don't know Superman, you've just seen two hours of a guy just ramming through buildings. At one point, he drags a Kryptonian through a city by his face. And it's like, you tried to kill him 20 minutes ago.

Why are you concerned that you have to kill him now? Exactly. You've exterminated your race, essentially. If you didn't know who Superman was, you'd be like, why is he feeling so sad at this last kill? Yeah. He seemed to be bang up for it a minute ago. Yeah, it's strange to me.

And it's interesting because Christopher Nolan had a big hand in this movie. Yeah, right. I don't have proof of this, but I feel like they offered him Man of Steel to direct. Yeah, right. He's a producer and he has a writing credit. He thought that he didn't like the idea

of Superman killing at the end and was kind of talked around to it. But I feel like tonally it doesn't fit with the rest of the movie. Again, it's not the killing. It's the execution of this scenario. Execution is right. Yeah, exactly. I don't believe that, like you said,

that this version of Superman would care about killing Zod because Zod, he sucks straight up. He sucks. Absolutely He sucks, yeah. Yeah, he's the guy you want to kill out of all those people. And if you've recently seen maybe an Avengers movie or something like that, where the heroes kill people just all the time as a matter of course, you'd be like, I guess you've got to do that sometimes. You've got to do it, yeah.

That's it. Anyways, here's a section of the show called We Give You Some Trivia. But also bear in mind we don't mention every bit of trivia. If you do want that, go read a list of trivia because we're almost certainly not going to mention everything like how you see the Bruce Wayne satellite in space. Yes, I saw it. You see the LexCorp truck.

You see a LexCorp truck. That's right. If you want to know all the trivia, go to a trivia page and you'll figure out exactly the point at which we stopped reading the trivia because there'll be more. We'll say a last bit of trivia, then there'll be more trivia under that. Correct. So Supergirl, you mentioned that.

Now, Zack Snyder has said that the open pod that we see on the Kryptonian ship, that was something more than Supergirl. That being said, there is a prequel comic where it is a version of. That being said, he almost certainly didn't have a hand in writing that. That's right. But I do wonder whether it was going to be the Eradicator. Maybe it was Doomsday at some point. right uh-huh you know you know what it was a box of potential that's what it was yeah that's right it's put in a mystery box and be

like what do you think it's going to be audience yes also you know how they all get sucked into the phantom zone at the end yes uh he mentioned that feora would maybe survived okay and uh so my question my question is did christopher Maloney end up in the Phantom Zone? Do you think he could come back potentially? I just wanted to do the rhyme. I loved it. But do you think he could though? I think they did,

and I think they're going to come back married. That's how it's going to work. Yeah. I don't know. They're going to repopulate the Kryptonian race, and I think that's great. That's it. And also, of course,

we can't go past mentioning that General Swanwick is Martian Manhunter. Potentially he is, yeah. Or it's been revealed by Zack Snyder. It has. There's some storyboards that led to the idea that he was going to be revealed to be. He was basically protecting Earth the entire time

as Martian Manhunter. It's funny that when Superman was in the interrogation room and he X-rayed everybody, he didn't notice that General Swanwick was in fact a Martian Manhunter at all. But the thing is, maybe he did. He's not the kind of guy to be like, guy's an alien.

He did point out that guy's lifesavers, though. So, you know, he's up for spilling some secrets. That's all I'm saying. That's entirely possible, yeah. Look, I have one more piece of trivia. I love trivia! I have one more unearthed note here. It just says,

the editor-in-chief of the Daily Planet, Perry White, has a single diamond earring, and I want to know the story behind it. Maybe it's just a fashion statement. Maybe there's something more. I don't know. He got divorced. That's what I think happened. That's it.

I'd love to read that prequel comic is all I'm saying. So if somebody's making it, please send me an advance copy. Yeah, absolutely. There is all that Daily Planet stuff, which I don't mind, but then they're like, hey, Jenny Olsen, do you want to go on a date? Yeah, where do you want to go to? The giant crater in the middle of Metropolis? Would you like to just sit there with me?

Great stuff. But there is a good moment where they're all going to get crushed and they're all sitting together and holding hands. I'm okay with it. It shows that there are people in this enormous battle. Overall, though, like honestly, and I know we've made heavy on the criticism for a lot of this, I like more of this. But we've had a lot of laughs along the way, Jess.

Yeah, haven't we, Jess? But seriously, I like more of this movie than I don't. Same. I think it gets a lot of it right. I think though, at the same time, there is no definitive live action modern version of Superman that we've gotten yet. Yeah.

I feel like Henry Cavill could definitely come back and do that at some point. Yes. I would like to see that. This is just, for me, it's just not, it's an interesting interpretation, but it doesn't all come together for me. Yeah, I think you're right.

And again, the action sequences are great. It looks great. Yep. It's very well acted and well cast. And it's also, to me, this idea, and the flashbacks are a symptom of it. He doesn't have a character arc, this Superman. At no point are you surprised that he becomes Superman

and he saves the day at the end. Like there's no, there's no, there's no tension where you're like, what sides are you going to choose? I mean, we know it's Superman, but it's still, it would be nice. It'd be nice. It'd be nice if we could play pretend for two hours. You know what I mean? And that's what it's all about, isn't it?

That's right. Just pretending literally anything else is happening in the world. Like a giant alien invasion. God, what a relief oh my god that feels so good just to think about something else just for a second god if i just just a thing that i can knife fight you know what i mean sure absolutely anyways this has been caravan of garbage we do this every week we throw polls up on patreon to be like hey what do you want to see this was much requested that's why we're doing it. And of course, I love talking about these movies.

I could talk about these movies forever. Come back next week because we're going to be doing Batman v Superman. Yeah, the Dawn of Justice. That's correct, yes. It's a very long title for a very long movie. I think we'll probably do the extended cut, right? All right, sure.

That's the version we're supposed to see. I think that's the idea. It's very definitive. Yeah, I'm looking forward to revisiting that because, boy, do I have thoughts mostly about that jar of piss. We'll come back to it. Absolutely. Anyway, subscribe if you want.

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