The Weekly Planet - Rise of the Planet of the Apes - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: May 2, 2024

In 2011 the great minds over at 20th Century Fox decided to reboot the Planet of the Apes franchise but make it good. Aiming to be a retelling of the ape uprising and the origin of Caesar, a super intelligent chimpanzee played by Andy Serkis. Just apes and mates running amok. Thanks for checking out our Caravan Of Garbage reviewSUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNVideo Edition ► https://youtu.be/9qubm5z66pcHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back everybody to another episode of Caravan of Garbage where we're going to be doing the modern reboot Retelling of the Planet of the Apes trilogy. Well the good ones the good ones. They're all good in their own way Even the bad ones. No, they're not good The obviously bad ones from the 60s or the 70s or whatever shout out to the obviously bad ones leave a like for the obviously bad ones You're out there and you're obviously bad one. We salute you. That's right. So yeah, this is a prequel of sorts, but the writers call it a reinvention. And this is the how of how we became a planet of the apes.

And it was James Franco. James Franco did it. Of course he did. You dog. He thinks he could cure his dad. He sort of does for a minute that his dad dies and then a virus gets out and we all die. You dog, James Franco. Classic those guys who are in some sort of new age

rat pack or rat pack or whatever, you know, all those guys. All those guys, yeah. If it wasn't gonna be him, it'd be Tobey Maguire, wouldn't it? Releasing a deadly virus. Well, yeah, it nearly was Tobey Maguire in this movie. What? That is true.

What? Yeah. Oh my God. Could have been Jay Barachel. He seems like the type. Very easily, Jay Barachel. Yeah, absolutely. Not on It'll be Jay Baruchel. He seems like the type very easily Jay Baruchel Yeah, absolutely not on the town with the boys. Oh, yeah, they release a virus destroys humanity So the initial idea of this from writers Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver it came in

2006 because what Rick Jaffa used to do used to go through a newspaper Can I stop you there? Yeah, is Rick Jaffa? Mm-hmm does he have like a hard orange outer shell and a chocolate center? Yeah. Yeah, yeah And you eat them and you're like, I don't like these. Yeah, why are they like this? I'd rather just have an M&M Yeah, or a Maltese. Okay. Well, let's see if you can redeem himself Here we go So what he used to do used to cut out articles for potential ideas for movies and the like, right? And he kept coming across and he came across an article about chimpanzees that were raised in suburban households and how that always ended with them going

absolutely fucking ballistic and attacking somebody because they reach you know the age of maturity all the hormones kick in they get territorial they go bananas they absolutely go bananas yeah yeah and he thought wow this is a great idea for a movie, but what if it was a great idea for a Planet of the Apes prequel? Absolutely. Yeah. Did that revelation come to him after he pitched this idea at a movie studio and they went,

an original idea? No. Oh, well, so re-imagine, what did you say? Reinvention. This would have been the period as well where people were sick of the word reboot. Oh, yeah absolutely and before they'd heard of a reimagining. So I guess this is a reinvention This is the year of X-Men first class. So you're absolutely right. We're in that era Mason All right, also a good one by the way, shout out if you're a good one So yeah in early drafts of this Caesar was more motivated by revenge and apparently he had more of a Michael Corleone

trajectory Yeah, and you even see it in some of the deletion And apparently he had more of a Michael Corleone trajectory Yeah, and you even see it in some of the delight when they're gonna do that Green Lantern TV series and they're like Oh, this is actually true detective in space. Is it? Yes. Yes. Yes. It is actually I think you'll find they're never gonna make it It's not gonna happen. So you can even see that in some of the deleted scenes because the moment where he bites that guy in the finger There's an alternative that where he actually bites his finger clean off And you know the dude at the end where he gets tipped over the edge in the helicopter That was gonna be Caesar doing that so he was a much more embittered fellow. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. He was going more bananas. That's right. Oh I've had such a tough life. I have to wear a little sweater. I Get to eat human food.

What a dork. Yeah, right. Must be nice. Must be nice to have a little sweater and a human food. And they almost didn't pitch it to Fox because they just assumed that Fox were going to do something with it. But of course after the 2001 Tim Burton escapade... Debacle. Thank you. Fox were like, we don't what we don't know we don't know should we get Mark Wahlberg back no obviously not so how familiar are you with the original Caesar from the original movies I've just seen the first

one is he in the first one no they're not at all so he is the son of Cornelius and Zira and they time travel to 1973 in one of the sequels. And their baby who gets renamed Caesar is raised as a circus performer, etc, etc. starts the ape revolution. Absolutely. Yeah. So it's a it's a it's a time loophole as it's a time it's a it's a it's a snake eating its own tail. It's an ober ober is an ober ober us. Yes, that's what I thought. Yeah, shout out if you're an oberoborous. It's a monkey eating its own faeces. That's what it is.

It's the monkey version of that. Yeah. Is that unlimited energy? I think it could be, yeah. Cool man. But I think, you know, I think it's interesting that such a revolution is based on the fact that they got a much lesser budget

for the Planet of the Apes sequels. And went, um, you know, it's good that we've got, you know, this future ape society. That's really interesting, but it does cost a lot of money to build all those sets and all those costumes. Perhaps we could just send one ape back through time or whatever. Yeah, to now. That's right. So yeah, not the original Caesar, different timeline, whatever you want to call it. It's a multiverse. There we go. I mean, they weren't I mean, this is the this is the realistic version. So they weren't

going to do a infinite monkey time loop. No, I guess they were. They weren't going to do one of those barrel of monkeys chains of monkeys were they? Oh my god, time and space. An infinite barrel of monkeys time travel time loop. They've had to make this slightly grounded yeah okay we'll just have him we'll have him born now yeah I mean but god there's a lot of references in there upon a rewatch there's so many references to the original right the only one I didn't like was the get your filthy hands off me you damn dirty apes like that barely worked in the original yeah this guy's not Shakespeare.

You know what I mean? And he's no Charlton Heston. But yeah. You don't like what if Draco Malfoy ran a monkey prison? You don't like that? It's interesting that that guy. So it's Tom Felton.

I like Tom Felton. It's Tom Felton and his name is Dodge Landon. Yeah. So in the original Planet of the Apes, the two astronauts that aren't Charlton Heston are Dodge and Landon. And a woman, there's a woman. Oh yeah!

There's a woman skeleton. There is a woman skeleton, that's right. But it's interesting that he's got a job looking after apes if he obviously hates apes. I mean it's you know looking after apes is a hundred percent of the job of looking after apes. You're probably right. I'll tell you what, I love Brian Cox turning up in this clearly just dyeing his own hair in the sink. I don't know whether he did that in real life or as part of this character. I love that shade on him. What is he doing? But also I was going to say about Tom Felton, you know, he is the microcosm of humanity

because that character is just a guy who's like, I'm going to mistreat these superhumanly strong creatures and nothing bad is ever going to happen to me. Yeah, even if there wasn't a super smart one in there, mate, you're gonna get done. What are you doing? Eventually you're gonna forget to drop the padlock in or whatever and one's gonna hop the door open and beat you to death. Or just grab you through the cage and pull you through that tiny square.

What are you doing madness? Yeah? Yeah, so many Easter eggs. We got an ape playing with a Statue of Liberty. Oh my god a bit of fun There's actually a deleted scene where you see Caesar making a puzzle and it's Charlton Heston on a horse with whoever the woman is At the end of Planet of the Apes. Oh right. I don't know. Where'd you get that? What movie is that from in this universe? From Planet of the Apes. Oh my right. I don't know where to get that. What movie is that from in this universe for plan of the apes? Yeah, that's that's why everybody keeps turning to the camera and going this is just like a polar the absolutely and maybe it's sequels I don't know. I kind of dropped off. I saw the first one Yeah, we get of course the the plot thread that has yet to be resolved But maybe will be resolved in the next plan of the apes movie

Which is the astronauts that headed off into a space mission and they get lost in space the Icarus? Spaceship are you kidding me? Yeah. Movies and TV shows. Stop naming you. Stop naming things Icarus is all I'm saying. No, no, no, no, no. The movie Sunshine had two Icaruses and that worked out. Eventually they reignited the sun mace and eventually they got there. Oh, perfect. And eventually Charlton Heston got back to earth. I mean, it was bad. No, he got back to the Planet of the Apes. Yeah I should finish watching that movie. Yeah. What else is there? There's other things right? Nah. Nah that's probably it.

So look, at one point they were going to use real apes. This was written not really considering how you would do it in 2006. This is pre-Avatar but post-Golem which we'll talk about. And then our pal showed the executives all the articles he'd collected about apes that had run amuck and killed their owners

and various TV and movie executives. And they went, hmm, can we do this in computers? Can we do this in computers? I assume they were gonna do it like, babe, you know, you have the animals for most of the time and then you computer, you know, move their mouth to generate, et cetera. La, la, la, and et cetera, yes.

Or puppets and etc. But no this off the back of Lord of the Rings and some other projects like Avatar made use of motion capture and Andy Serkis and the difference being that a lot of the time before this you couldn't do motion capture in a scene like you had to do it later you have when Andy Serkis first did Gollum he was just there in a gray onesie running about, and then he'd have to go and mocap it later. I see. You don't have to do that now.

And they'd also shoot the scene twice, once with Andy Serkis, and then once without, with the performers standing by themselves doing it for a clean plate. So there's like a, there's a few steps involved in this, but Andy Serkis, also he only works if you get it right digitally, you know, all the facial caption and all of that.

It's a combination of things. Otherwise it's just a middle-aged man. With dots on his face. You've got to finish that CGI. You've got to get the dots off at the very least. But just some of the looks that he does, the moment where he realizes John Lithgow's brain is failing again, the bit where James Franco leaves him, you dog James Franco, leaves him in the in the eighth monkey prison.

The orangutan in this also is insane. It just looks like a real orangutan. Absolutely. With Andy Serkis' Caesar, you see there's some human characteristics in it. You can sort of see Andy Serkis. That's just a fucking orangutan. Yeah.

Yeah. Crazy. Also, Terry Notary, who played a lot of the other apes in this and primates, he's also to thank for a lot of this. He took everybody through monkey school to be like, this is how you move. I know monkeys, apes, chimpanzees. We're going to mix them up, all right? It's fine.

Don't worry about it. I've been correct this whole time. Yeah, well, I'm monkey racist. Yeah. How do you feel about the fact that they just stole the idea from Deep Blue Sea to cue Alzheimer's by taking a dangerous creature and making his brain real big? You like that? I think it's cool.

Yeah, it's cool. And it's an interesting choice to be like, hey, see this bonobo? He's got the big scar in his blind in one eye and he looks really sinister. The obviously evil one, yeah. The one who's already intelligent. What if we made him super intelligent? That's a good idea. Let's put some adamantium claws in it too. He can use them to cut up his fruit or whatever. Nothing else. Yeah, that's right. I tell you what, here's something that's sort of a callback, but I guess it's also a thing in this movie.

When Charlton Heston first talks in the original movie, everyone's like guy can fucking talk that's crazy but in this one when Caesar first talks it's really like Jesus Christ like even you know he's gonna talk because he's like a talking you know primate or whatever but that's a real like he doesn't say much but when he does my goodness it really like really hits home that it's that's a strange thing is that the voice of Andy Serkis it is yeah I mean there's some digital alterations etc but yes yes it is man you got a problem with that? No. Okay great. All right so the finale they all get in that bridge apparently it was the largest mocap set of all time 400 feet of bridge that they built fake bridge. Fake bridge? Yeah fake bridge. Real yeah fridge. Real helicopter all of that. They had special cameras lined up all alongside it to track everybody running up and down over the cars.

Because not only do you then have to replace them with various gorillas and whatnot, you have to replace their reflections in the cars. Like, that's a very complicated sequence they put together. But the thing that stood out to me most about that sequence was that cop on a horse who decided to just take a gorilla on full speed. Just like, yeah, I could probably do this with a baton. I could probably stop a gorilla. What were you thinking, idiot? Unbelievable.

I've done this exact same thing with fair evaders in the subway system. I could do this with a gorilla, why wouldn't I? Love all of that though. Got anything else or do you want me to do trivia? In the circus, James Franco is a bad bloke Caesar's mother is called bright eyes. Yeah, man reference to Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Halton bright eyes Heston from the original

It's a good man. It's a good movie. Yeah. Yeah, right. You know, it's time for what's the time for rise of the trivia of the apes The trivia section of the show where I go. Hey, here's some trivia. I do my research and I go well Yeah, that's what I want. Ultimately is for you to say wow Wow. Yeah, thanks. See now we've checked all the boxes Yeah, now you don't have to say well that'll carry me through this. Absolutely So Caesar is based off a chimp called Oliver, but his clothes and sign language are based on a chimp called Nim Chimpsky And this is a picture is a video of him. He's a funny little fella I think he also went bananas as they all do. Well I was going to say, when and where did these guys go on a rampage?

They just did alright, I don't know specifically when. Do you think Noam Chomsky got like a phone call or something when his namesake went bananas and was shot in the streets? You like to think so, you want to keep a bit of a loop, you know? And speaking of gone bananas, Koba, it's speculated is based on two real life apes. Kanzai, a bonobo who mastered keyboard communication at Georgia State University, but are the most bloody college students, Mara Mason. You know what they're teaching in these colleges these days, Mason, you know what I'm talking about? Get a real job. Got him, Mason. Nice.

So that and a wild aggressive chimpanzee named Saddam, who was known to have- Saddam? Like Hussein? We don't know that. Okay. Do you think Saddam Hussein got a call with this bonobo wet bananas? I think he was busy. He probably was busy, wasn't he?

So Saddam was the chimpanzee, was known to have murdered several children near the Kibale National Park in Uganda before he was hunted down by an angry mob. My goodness. Oh, and Tom Felton's Dodge Landon is based on Etc, etc. You did that one earlier. That's right, yeah. You've saved me the trouble. Wow.

Thank you so much. That's the one that I would have wowed. So there's a couple of deleted scenes of this of note. One we can show and one we cannot legally. And we don't have it. So in the original ending, so there was originally a post credit scene that had Cobra discovering John Landon's shotgun in the woods and then learning how to shoot it. Does he toilet terminate a two star?

God I hope so. But instead we get the post credit sequence where the angry neighbor who's a pilot. Do you think he deserved to get monkey influenza? Do you think you deserved it? Yeah, cuz he was rude You see what let's go did to his car. Yeah, he did do that to his car. Yeah, do you think that guy's right? What do you mean? You know, there's like a chimpanzee like running about cuz he's kind of right I mean ultimately it did doom the world James Franco, he's meddling he's playing God. You're not God, James Franco. No, you idiot. Stupid idiot. But in the original ending, Caesar and Will are in the forest

and you know where Caesar talks to him and they embrace and then Brian Cox's character shows up and he goes to shoot Caesar but then he ends up hitting Will instead and killing him. But instead of doing that, they just say Will died in between movies. So true. And that happens. Sometimes people die in between movies. That's so true. And that happens. Sometimes people die in between movies in real life, which is what happened to James Franco, RIP. Will never know what he was really like. That's so true.

If only he could have carried this franchise to its natural conclusion. But that'd be boring. That would be boring. Monkeys is what actually drives this franchise. You are not wrong because you don't need people, consistent people in these movies. Not at all.

I think that's a very smart decision. It's like with the Godzilla Kong movies. Sure, you might recognise some faces, but ultimately, do you remember which one Thomas Middleditch was in? Do you remember? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uh of the three-headed thing. Nice. Or maybe a different one. Look, James Francon might not be able to carry this trilogy to the end. Because he died. Because he died. But we can, Mason. Oh, wow. Because we're going to be back next week to cover Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. And you can actually see that early if you head over to bigsandwich.co where in addition to that,

there's also bonus movie commentaries. We've actually done one on the original Planet of the Apes, haven't we? That's right. That's a good fun one. That was my first full viewing of that movie. Is that true? I think so. My goodness. You must have been really surprised. I was very surprised, yep.

We also do video game let's plays. We do bonus podcasts. We also, this isn't bonus, but we just do it. We have a podcast called The Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. That comes out Monday, Sunday at bigsandwich.co. We cover the news of the week and then we do a movie or whatever, don't we, Mason?

It's got its own YouTube channel, Spotify, Apple, all of those things. Yeah. It's got its own Apple. It's got its own Apple. It's just sitting on the desk, it's rotting away. Yeah, Joe Rogan gets all our money on Spotify, but we signed a contract that we're actually happy to do that.

Yeah, we asked for that. It's send a low revenue to Joe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I forgot to mention, I'll put this in earlier. In terms of box office for this though, on a budget of $93 million, that's cheap as chips. The return was 481.8 million. This is a huge hit.

This is kind of sleeper hit movies, you know? Just consistently doing well. Because people love apes I do love that's what the comic book industry learned in like the 50s or whatever Just put an ape on the cover and we look open honors. Yeah, we're learning it again now, aren't we? That's right Yeah, anyways, thank you to Ben and Lawrence for the edits and we'll see you in the next one grab that gem You guys will see you next week. You don't want to make it ape related grab that ape folks We'll see you at that. I will see you next day. The consequences are on you

when you grab an ape. Yeah. We'll see you in the news. Because you'll be killed by an ape. Yeah, yeah, yeah.