The Weekly Planet - RoboCop 2 - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: August 24, 2023

RoboCop 2 was inevitable after the succcess of the original. And you know what? It could have been much worse. With a more compotent cyborg enemy, some solid comedic moments and Peter Weller being at the top of his game in terms of RoboCop sequels this remains the best case scenario despite some obvious shortcomings. Thanks for watching!SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNVideo Edition ► https://youtu.be/nF3aovh1zlQHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Welcome back, everybody, to Caravan of Garbage, where we're talking Robocop, or some people call him Robot Cop. Nobody calls him that. Some people do. At least one person we both know does that. Please leave a like on this video. Is this our most pointed

Passag subtweet yet on a video? I think so. Okay, wow. Cop that guy who's never going to listen to this. It's me. Oh yeah, too. I'm the guy. Okay, right. Now, off the success of the first Robocop, obviously there was franchise potential in that. The studio recognised

it. Toy companies recognized it. Oh, toy potential. Yes, please. Video game companies recognized it. And people who make sequels, which was the movie company, we'll circle them back. Okay. They recognized it.

Oh, yeah. What'd they do about it? Well, they thought, let's RoboCop 2. Oh, let's RoboCop 2. Yeah. And initially, they're like, maybe RoboCop 2 T-O-O question mark? Maybe one of those? Because it was the era for that, wasn't it? I like it. I like it. RoboCop 2? But then they were like, maybe Robocop 2 T-O-O question mark? Maybe one of those? Because it was the era for that, wasn't it?

I like it, I like it. Robocop 2? But then they were like, nah, just a number would be good. Just the number's fine. Now, I think this is, it's all right. It is all right. You're not wrong. I don't know if you know this, James, but if you go to YMDB,

they have a list of plot keywords for every movie, and you can tick whether they're helpful or not. So here we go. James, you ready can tick whether they're helpful or not. So here we go. James, you ready? I'm ready. Child swearing. Yep.

Very helpful. Big tick. No title at beginning? Impossible to know, isn't it? I don't know. Number three, Robocop character. Now, one person has said that's helpful, and three people have said child swearing is helpful. That's pretty good.

Actress reprises previous role, certainly. Nancy Allen's back with a fresh new hair. Underused. A fresh new haircut. No, the haircut's great. She is underused, absolutely. Yeah, she's been pushed to the background. I'll just give you a couple more.

United States of America. Perfect. Very helpful. Cyborg versus cyborg. Dead boy. What? And boy killed. Oh, yeah.

And this one just says bust, which is true, but not as true as the previous one. Bust. I'll buy that for a dollar. You know what I mean, James? Oh, I get you. I thought like because, you know, he's a twitching puppet for a lot of this. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Oh, he's a bust, like the bust of Mozart or whatever in Bruce Wayne's drawing room. That's really interesting. I bet if you did open his head, there'd be a button on the neck. Yeah. Well, what's interesting is when I was a kid, I taped this movie off the TV. Yeah.

And I wore that tape out, enjoyed the heck out of it. You put a leash around it and you ran it around the park. That's exactly right. That's right. And if I was really good, my parents would let me have a real pet. But let me tell you this, having re-watched this now as an adult, boy, that TV version, they really cut some stuff out. Speaking of child swearing.

Does the kid die in the version you saw? Yeah, but he's not like riddled with bullets. Okay. They just find him dead. Yeah, that's right. There's fewer slurs in my version on VHS. Sure. They absolutely cut out that bit where a sniper gets shot right through the eye.

That's a good one. That's a good one, right? That's a good bit. That's something you want to see as a kid. Well, I was going to say, what's interesting about this is, this is a movie that would have been a big mainstream title back in the day. And it has some stuff you would never see in a mainstream title now. Absolutely not.

Like there's cops getting riddled with bullets and blown up. At one point, just a couple of TV news reporters get shot. Yeah. And in a modern day blockbuster, there would be some ADR where they just go, are you all right? Yeah, I'm fine. Or they wouldn't do it. They wouldn't do it at all.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, obviously the people behind these movies, if we can circle back to the movie studios who make these. Oh, yeah, I've heard of them. They also realised that after this movie, considering what came next. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also think as a result of all that and how violent it is and, you know, the slurs and the kid murder and whatever,

there's a lot of subtlety that's lost here. Like the messaging is too heavy-handed. The new OCP flag, it's just a Nazi flag. Yeah. You know, the crime reports, they're not funny. They're just kind of ludicrous. Yeah, you're absolutely right. This one is, I understand what they were going for.

Yeah. And I think as a kid, I thought a lot of it was very funny. But compared to the first one, it is quite kind of ham-handed. Yeah. Like there's, you know, there's ads for that Magna Vault, the car security system that electrocutes the car thief to death. And it's got that guy. It's got the guy who plays Lex Luthor's dad in Smallville.

Lionel Luthor. And he voices the Riddler. What's his name? It's on screen probably. Yep. John Glover. John Glover. Yes.

Nice. I thought he was going to pop up again. He's the Floronic Man in Batman and Robin. He's Gremlin's 2 CEO. Oh my god, he is. This guy's everywhere. I guess what I would have loved to have seen from this is that it's aliens to alien, it's Terminator 2 to Terminator 1

and it's just not in that kind of league. And I'll tell you one thing that even as a kid I noticed, and I did not care for it, it feels like even before the sequence where Robocop is torn to pieces and put back together, it feels like at the start of the movie, he got reset to factory settings. Yes. Because at the end of the first one, the old man from OCP says, hey, what's your name?

And he goes, Murphy. And he's got his personality back and he's a man. He's a man again. And it's like, well, how's he going to reckon with that and still being on the police force? And how's that going to go? And I guess they just went, he's just a cold, unfeeling robot again. And it's like, well, how's he going to reckon with that and still being on the police force? And how's that going to go? And I guess they just went, he's just a cold, unfeeling robot again. And he's just kind of weird.

Like it's better for the plot if he's inhuman and robotic, but he has memories of his family and he wants to go back and terrorize them. That's interesting because like, there's a lot of that that is explored early on. Like he's visiting them. She comes to visit him. He basically tells her, even though it seems not to be true,

that he's more of a homage to the memory of Murphy. That's right. You know. He's a bust. I'm a homage, baby. I'm a bust. Think of me as somebody taking the face of your dead husband and stretching it over a robot.

I mean, sure, we could have made him look really cool and handsome and charismatic, you know, for the public. But they decided to make him a freak to honour your husband. But I think that's a very interesting narrative and they do explore that in the reboot, which we'll get to, but it doesn't go anywhere. At the end, he's like,

well, we're only human or whatever. And that's just kind of it, really. I think in a lot of this, he's purposefully hiding his humanity from everybody around him because it's upsetting to him and probably to them. But also he might not be. But again, never really resolved.

I think they were too excited to do the plot, which is basically what if Robocop versus Ed 209, but Ed 209 wasn't useless. Yeah, absolutely. Which is a solid idea. Okay, so look, I think Peter Weller, incredible, still brings all of that. The suit is now constructed purely of fiberglass,

which means you add more freedom in terms of movement and easier to get in and out of. How do you feel now that it's... It looks kind of faker that it's bluer though, right? Look, I think we didn't in the last video. I don't think we really got across how iconic the suit is. Well, this is about Robocop 2, so I don't know if that's something we can circle back to.

I don't think we can then. Okay, well, whatever. But you're right. What a design, right? They've made it blue now, which is more police, I guess, but apparently they did that because in the original, the silver sheen was reflecting the camera a lot, so they were like, we've got to find a hue that doesn't do that.

Yeah, absolutely. But then again, they fixed it in 3. They did. So it's blue you're saying. And they harvested a bunch of materials to give it that specific colour. I would never say that. This is what you're saying. I would never say that. That's alright. Here's some good moments that I like though. The moment where he's ambushed in the

factory and they just pull him apart. And then he's a wiggling bust. I love all of that. That's right. Really good animatronic face on that as well. I agree. Yeah, yeah. Because initially you're like, how'd they do that? Fully artificial guy, I guess.

That's right, yeah. But it's interesting. Why didn't they just kill him? I guess to prove that they're the new bosses of Detroit or something. That they could if they wanted to. Probably should have. Yeah, they should have. Because he came back and fucking Robocopped them all.

He Robocopped the heck out of them. Well, Robocop 2 really Robocopped the heck out of most of them. It's true. Oh, that's another thing they took out in the version that I saw. Robocop 2 just rocking his girlfriend's head back and forth like it's in a paint shaker. They cut that out from the TV version. Let me tell you.

You're not wrong. I think the new directives that he has, that's a fun idea. That is a fun idea, yeah. Just bogged down in corporate bureaucracy where he's completely ineffective. I think he has some funny comedic moments, and I think Peter Weller really sells those. Where that guy's dead and he's holding the corpse and giving it the talking to.

I think he does the quick robo double take. That is great, yeah. I think the fact that they made the CEO in this just flat-out evil makes sense because he would be. He runs this corporation. That's right. I feel like maybe in RoboCop 1 we saw he's won Good Week. Yes.

And the rest of it he's mostly like RoboCop 2. Yeah, exactly. I love that one of the gags is just a Little League baseball team. Yep. That's fun. That's sort of reminiscent of the Warriors kind of thing. Definitely, yeah. So there was also a big concern from audiences and Siskel and Ebert

that the boy who was put in this. Hob is his name. Yes, that violent little boy was put there intentionally to appeal to kids in a movie that's not a kid's movie, that the news of this boy would filter down to them. Okay. You can be killed by Robocop. If you work hard in the drug trade,

maybe one day a Robocop will machine gun you. Robocop 2 in this particular case. And you'll die in a big pile of money. And isn't that what you want, kids? Absolutely. I think also there's a moment in this where, you know, he gets his groove back, aka he shoots a bunch of people, including that guy, through the eye.

Yeah. But that's when I realized watching this that the pace in this is fucked like the first one is so tight yeah there's not a wasted second and in that moment i was like oh this is kind of like the end and it's an hour in yeah yeah yeah i mean it does definitely pick up because after that there's a great moment where robocop is on the front of a truck and he's getting like ground against the wall and he's riding a motorbike and all of that. That's really good. And it definitely picks up when Cane-Bocop turns up as that horrible, top-heavy, stop-motion monstrosity.

There's a moment there, of course. So the plot of this one, of course, is that they haven't found a replacement for Robocop. Alex Murphy's the only cop that can be... He's the only man thus far that can be transformed into a Robocop. You know, Alex Murphy's the only cop that can be, he's the only man thus far that can be transformed into a Robocop and not immediately kill himself. I think he was just shot the right way by accident. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so they've got to find one, and Dr. Fax, she comes to the conclusion that perhaps the- She's great, by the way. She's pretty good. Australian, yeah. Yeah, yeah. She comes to the conclusion that perhaps what they should be doing is looking outside of the police force,

and they decide instead to use drug kingpin cane to turn into a robocop. And his brain is removed from his body, and it's popped into this thing. And so how people in his circle can recognize him is the helmet pops open, and a big TV pops out with like a 1990s sub-Max Headroom CGI version of his face. One more man monstrosity. And it pops open and his girlfriend gets a good look at it and goes, oh my God, it's you. And it's like, are you kidding me?

It could be anybody. It could be anybody on earth. Yeah, you're not wrong. It's not the best use of CGI in a movie. But I think it gets the point across. Sure, sure, sure. That he's a face on a TV or whatever. And he loves drugs because he needs drugs to be the. As women, our life stages come with unique risk factors like high blood pressure

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go motion go motion is when you add that kind of motion blur to it I see which Phil Tippett worked on this and that was the original idea for the first Jurassic Park because the idea to do that on computers was like ludicrous you know making dinosaurs that way yeah they'd look like Max Headroom it was like Max Headroom exactly They'd look like Max Headroom, exactly. But the idea was this time, as you mentioned, to make him more intimidating, like a powerful version of Edward 209. And I think it's a little busy,

but I think intentionally, right? Yeah, right. And it's supposed to be top-heavy, like a bodybuilder with skinny little legs. But, you know, he can navigate the world and he is clearly built very efficiently for murder oh yeah absolutely yeah got all of that right and there's the moment where robocop jumps speaking of you know finally like composited action yeah there's the moment where

robocop jumps onto his back and it swaps from i guess a guy in a like a you know a stuntman robocop suit to the stop motion yeah like. Like it's real. Like it's seamless. It's really great. So yeah, there was a stop motion Robocop as well. When they're in the frame together, but kind of at a distance, it's reprojection with stop motion in front of it. And they also built like the upper torso of Kane

when he's like on the top and like pulling his brain out and whatever. So yeah, they used different elements and the hands and whatnot, the different hands that he has. And he goes, clank, clank, clank, I'm going to twist your head. Apparently she could really do that.

You know that bit? They apparently stop motioned that in real life. Really? Yeah. I saw that on Adam Savage's YouTube channel where they interviewed Phil Tippett. So yeah, they just did it frame by frame and apparently she could like contort her head like that.

Wow. Yeah, pretty incredible, right? Also, the bit where, speaking of stuff removed from the TV version, the bit where they take Kane's brain out, and then they just show him his face, what's left of his skull, they've taken his entire head off, and they're like, what do we do with this? Chug it in the bin, I guess, sure.

I don't know. We got this TV, don't worry about it. Yeah, don't worry about it, yeah. Anyways, there's a couple of versions of this before we got here And I'm going to talk about the original one after we do some trivia But let's get into specifically the comic book creator And creator in general, Frank Miller Because he showed up on set every day during filming

Even though he was not required to And you might be like, why was that? Well, it's because he wrote this version of the script Some of it to a point. I thought you were going to say he wrote Batman Year One. He's like, I deserve to be here. You read that? It's great.

I'll shop wherever I want. Hand out copies. That's fair. So Paul Verhoeven wasn't interested in coming back. He went on to Total Recall after the first one. But director Alex Cox was asked to direct Robocop 2, but he turned it down. He greatly disliked the original screenplay by Frank Miller.

And in an interview with The Guardian, he said, unlike the original Robocop, which trod a path between right-wing politics and left-wing irony, Miller's script was reactionary and obnoxious, pitting its robot police hero against homeless people. No wonder he's so popular with the Hollywood 1 percenters. Ooh! Sick burn. I've got more sick popular with the Hollywood 1 percenters. Ooh! Sick burn.

I've got more sick burns, though. Michael Medeiros, who played Katso, the Elvis-looking one in the gang, recalls Irvin Kershner. By the way, Irvin Kershner came in to direct this like three weeks before it started. It's the last movie he ever did. He directed, if you don't know, Empire Strikes Back. So, pretty incredible.

There's nothing wrong with the direction of this, by the way. No. In fact, I think it starts out really strong. You know the sequence at the start where there's a woman collecting cans and then a trolley gets hit by a car and then a guy comes to rob her and then a couple of women on the street, they beat him up and then the building behind them explodes. It's like a real Rube Goldberg device of just urban decay.

Just a perpetual motion machine of crime happening. That's like a real Rube Goldberg device of just urban decay. Just a perpetual motion machine of crime happening. That's exactly right. Also, just side note, there's just a teddy boy looking Elvis guy in the gang. And they've got Elvis' bones? Yeah, man, they've got Elvis' bones. Pretty cool, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what the kids want, isn't it? Hey kids, if you work really hard in the drug trade, you can get Elvis' bones and be machine-gunned by a robocop. Absolutely. So the actor who plays Katso recalls that Irvin Kershner was literally ripping pages from the script every morning, calling it awful, while screenwriter Frank Miller would look on mournfully.

Probably why Miller was there. He's got some sort of shaming kink or whatever. Miller, this sucks. Oh, does it? Tell me how bad it sucks. Peter Weller criticised the script, saying it lacked the spine and the soul of the original. I mean, it's got a spine.

That's true. It's in a jar. Weller tried to convince Frank Miller, Irvin Kershner and the film's producers that the third act needed a morality angle instead of being just a shoot-em-up. But the producers felt the battle between Robocop and Robocop 2 was sufficient. Probably because of the big guns and such. Yeah, that's probably it, yeah.

So the final version of this was heavily rewritten and only bears superficial resemblance to Miller's story. But in 2003, you'd know this, Miller's screenplay was adapted into a comic book series titled Frank Miller's Robot Cop. That's right. He's the other one. It's me and series titled Frank Miller's Robot Cop. That's right. That's the other one. It's me and Frank Miller who call him Robot Cop.

That was one of the big changes that Irvin Kershner was doing. Oh, you had to keep ripping the T off the top of every script page. That's right. God damn it, Miller. Yeah. Now, because of all that that I just did, I've only got one piece of trivia. Oh, yeah. We've got to keep it brief.

We've got to keep this video tight. Okay. We've got to keep everybody involved in the video you know what I mean if it goes too long if I say explain something at length and people aren't interested they might drop off

that's exactly right just listen we're trying to avoid that here okay so if you have anything to say think about it properly before you say it because we'd hate people to drop off if one of us

is this some sort of producer style scam where you want people to drop off if one of us is this some sort of producer style scam where you want people to drop off what's happening okay so this section's called trivia cop two bang while displaying robocop's new directives at the police station the cable plugged into his head is actually a water supply coupling for a toilet nice i hope it actually is because uh that would explain a lot of robocop, just filled with toilet water. Just sloshing around in the mean streets of Detroit. Glug, glug. Now, the original, original film of this,

Edward Neumeier and Michael Miner were immediately approached by the studio for a possible sequel. Because they scripted the original? Correct, yes. They had a very rough outline for a movie called Robocop Corporate Wars. Got the title right, that's good. Oh, that's right, yeah. So in this draft, Robocop was to be shot and pulverized to metallic dust by a cannon in the

very beginning. An old-timey Civil War cannon? That's right. He would be resurrected 25... Where'd you even get that? He said. I don't know, it's next to Elvis' bones. Makes sense. Why would those two things be together? A history museum, I don't know, it's next to Elvis' bones. Makes sense. Why would those two things be together? A history museum, I don't know. He would be resurrected 25 years later

in an even more dystopian future, if you can imagine, Mason, where he becomes a pawn in the struggle between an all-powerful corporation, the government, and an impoverished population. And here's a fun little twist. Yep. He falls in love with Detroit City's computer.

Mmm, that's hot stuff that is hot stuff and there's a girl you can tell because it's a regular computer got a but it's got a pretty bow on it that is cool so you might have seen this in live action because this bears a striking resemblance to the pilot episode of the first robocop television series from 1994 i have seen it it's bad yeah it's not great look we're not going to look at those this time around, but if they ever get around to making Robocop Returns, we probably will. And speaking of, in 2019

it was announced that Neumeier and Meyer's Rough Draft would be the basis of Robocop Returns, which is an alternate sequel to Robocop 1987 and ignores everything afterwards. Halloween in it. That's right. Now this is the last time that Peter Weller played Robocop in live action. That's right.

Voicing him in the new video game that's coming out. He voiced him in Mortal Kombat 11. Exactly. So I feel like with what happened with Indiana Jones 5 and Michael Keaton returning as Batman, I'd imagine the studios are rethinking that at the moment. I would love to see it. I would love to see it i would love to see it but i would like to see him in another like if we're doing the sequel i would like to

see him in another role like maybe he's the mayor of detroit or something they put him back in a human body somehow yeah just a nice little appearance like that i think that'd be a bit of fun but then at the end it becomes robocop yeah then at the end he becomes robocop and he teams up with new robocop and then he passes the torch and he's like you're just as good becomes Robocop, yeah? Then at the end he becomes Robocop and he teams up with new Robocop and then he passes the torch and he's like, you're just as good a Robocop as me, which is why we'll do a sequel to this. You know, and they shake robot hands. If we're allowed to.

That's the only way you can do it these days. Yeah, you might be right. Yeah. Passing the torch. Also, there's a girl Robocop. Oh, my God. There's a team of girl Robocops. You can tell because they have a little bow on top of their robot helmets.

Perfect. We're Ms. Pac-Man in it. Now, the box office for this, on a $14 million budget, the US box office return was $45.7 million, which is okay. The international numbers for this are not really around. Yeah, you had a quick squeeze. You couldn't find them. Yeah, it was more than a quick squeeze.

I did my proper research, Mason. Did you sign up for IMDB Pro no I didn't but I don't want to do that I bet it's right there it's probably not there folks if you're watching this and you were signed up

to IMDB Pro please click one thing and we'll know don't sign up if you haven't only if you already have and I will put it in the comments

so yeah anyways we're going to get back to the real Robocop sequel Rob Robocop 3, the one where he gets a jetpack. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. So that will be next week.

And if you want to see that early, which, excuse me, why wouldn't you? That's right. You can actually head over to bigsandwich.co. Well, guess what? What? Well, Mason, we do bonus podcasts. We do movie commentaries. Oh, yeah.

We do video game Let's Plays. Yeah. We're going to be playing some Robocop that is going to blow your dick off. Just like Robocop did to that guy. That's right. Does that sound inappropriate? No. Okay, cool.

Because I feel like in the context of Robocop, that's fine. But if I had have said it outside of that context. If somebody has started this video and then immediately skipped to this moment they'd probably find it a bit weird but in context yeah okay perfect so that's big sandwich.co we're also our podcast the weekly planet where we talk movies and comics and tv shows that comes out there early on sunday as opposed to monday but if you just want to subscribe and whatever that's also fine you know that? That's right. Yeah. All right. Great. Great. Great. Do you think this is the only movie

where Robocop reloads? Apparently it is. Yeah, right. At least of these ones. What did he ball us that frigging gun got? Yeah. Eeps. We'll see on the reboot, I guess.

He probably does in the reboot because you want him tactical. Yeah, absolutely. You want him John Wick in a room, you know? That's right. You bet. Yeah. All right.

Thank you to Ben and Lawrence for the edit also. Thanks, guys. Grab that gem, you guys. We'll see you next week. Yeah. All right, thank you to Ben and Lawrence for the edit also. Thanks, guys. Grab that gem, you guys. We'll see you next week. I said and, but it's going to sound bad in the edit, but it's fine. Great. This is the end of the video now. Wow.

It's an embarrassing end for you. If this is the last video we ever do, like if you're Robocopped in the street or something, what an ignoble end for you, James. Maybe they'll turn me into some kind of Robocop YouTuber. They'll turn you into a vending machine. That's fine, too. Come get a can. Come get a can, James. Maybe they'll turn me into some kind of Robocop YouTuber. They'll turn you into a vending machine. That's fine too. Come get a can. Come get a can, everyone.

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