The Weekly Planet - RoboCop 3 - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: August 31, 2023

By RoboCop 3 the good people at Orion knew what kind of audience the franchise solely appealed to, children. This obviously wasn't true but for this final entry in the original RoboCop saga things take a PG turn with toned down violence, satire and the disapperence of Peter Weller for Robert John Burke. Sure he has a jet pack and a flame thrower now and there's a Japanese Cyborg ninja but none of it really comes together. Thanks for watching our Caravan Of Garbage review!SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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You know, going into Robocop 3, I was genuinely interested. I'm invested in this character. I like its universe. I like how so far, you know, the first two at least, I'm feeling good about this. I want to know what Robot Cop is up to now. Absolutely. And then I realised, oh no, these movies are bad now.

They sure are. Has it made the first two worse by process of some sort of osmosis? No, I mean that first one is just like, it's dynamite. The second one, I like it enough. Smaller dynamite. Yeah, like, it's dynamite. The second one, I like it enough. Smaller dynamite. Yeah, exactly. A smaller dynamite. This is just some sort of firecracker on a holiday that blows your thumb off.

And you're like, ah, that sucks and not even in a fun way. Exactly. Welcome back to Caravatta Garbage, everybody, where we are working our way through the Robocop film series. Please leave a like if you could. Now, a bit of background on this. This was filmed in 1991, but not released until the end of 1993

because production company Orion was going bankrupt. Oh, yeah. So that's fun. I mean, fun for us. It's always fun to hear about a bankruptcy. It's fun in hindsight. It's like when you blow your thumb off

and then you think back and you're like, I wouldn't be the same if that hadn't happened to me. That's true, yeah. Yeah. So they were in a bit of trouble. They got bought out. This movie got finished

and they shoved it out. Did it get finished? Okay. They put a cap on it. They sure did. They sure did. But it's not all bad news because it was estimated

that the production of this film actually brought an additional $10 million to the Atlanta economy. So that's good. That's wonderful. And that eventually led to the TV show Atlanta, presumably, somehow. You think so? Yeah, probably.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. Now, I'm really interested in the minds behind this because Frank Miller has returned. Now, in Robocop 2, we know that all of his ideas pretty much were thrown in the bin and he eventually worked that into a comic book. But this time around, what they did, he wrote the story, mapped it all out. He's feeling pretty good. He's glad to be back in Hollywood. And they did the same thing to him again. What?

Yeah. Brutal. So he actually left Hollywood and didn't return until 2005 Sin City. Oh, yeah, of course. And then, of course, The Spirit. But, you know, that's another movie that I started and went, no. Yeah, I've never gotten to the end of that. Which means we're going to have to get to it at some point.

But here's a quote from Frank Miller. Working on Robocop 2 and 3, I learned the same lesson. Don't be the writer. The director's got the power. The screenplay is a fire hydrant, and there's a row of dogs around the block waiting for it. Yeah, just some thirsty dogs. Some thirsty, hot, dry dogs.

Boy, that's very poetic. Good work, Frank Miller. Absolutely. Wait, what is the fire hydrant? Hollywood? Yeah, I guess. Writing, directing. The screenplay is the fire hydrant.

Terrific. And there's a row of dogs around the. Writing, directing. The screenplay is the fire hydrant. Terrific. And there's a row of dogs around the block waiting for it. So the dogs, the audience? I mean, I guess. Is he implying that the dogs are like, you would think the implication there is the executives of the dogs. Yeah. But then like, if you open up a fire hydrant, you can wet all the dogs you want.

There's still plenty of water. You can wet so many dogs. You can wet as many dogs as you wish. It's practically limitless. Yeah, right? Maybe that's what he means. His ideas are practically limitless. Like a pack of wet dogs. Like a pack of wet dogs. Like an infinite pack of wet dogs.

Okay, so the story this time around. How do you feel about it? Corporations are out of control. Corporations are out of control. We thought they were doing good. You know? Yeah. We thought they were... They built a robot cop. Right? For the city.

We, the people of Detroit, thought OCP were doing such a stellar job. Yeah. This movie is way less cynical than the previous two. And it's for the worse. Yeah, definitely. You know? Now, I don't think this is a hard and fast rule. Having a kid in a movie doesn't necessarily make it bad

But it can often indicate a bad turn for a series Absolutely Not always Terminator 2 is a fantastic movie with a very annoying kid in it That's right, that red-headed kid Yuck No, he's great I haven't seen him, officer

You son of a bitch That guy's a cop. You respect him. I don't know where John Connor is. Unbelievable. Who raised that boy? Who raised that young man on his little motorcycle? Probably a couple other redheads. Yuck.

No doubt. But yeah, it's never a good indicator. It's weird, though, that despite this being made very child-friendly, because that's where they were going with this there were toys there was an animated series all of that there's still multiple suicides in this movie yeah i mean they're playful laughs sure so that's fun i guess but of course the biggest change in this movie is we've got a new robot cop peter weller was unable to reprise his role because of scheduling conflicts with nakedaked Lunch. Of course, yeah.

Which is a movie and not just a thing he gets up to. Yeah, I mean, he might. Yeah. Who wouldn't want to do a Naked Lunch with friends? Or by yourself. Yeah. It's probably better by yourself. Well, that's just Hollywood, isn't it?

The world's a bloody fire hydrant and everybody's having a Naked Lunch. These apps, this bloody Tower of Babylon or whatever. He actually had discussions with director Fred Decker about returning, but again, it just didn't happen. So now we've got Robert John Burke, who I think does an okay job in a bad movie in an impossible role. Yeah, look, I remembered his sort of Robocop mannerisms being way worse than they are.

I think he's got the walk-down pat pretty much. The voice doesn't do it for me, though. No, the voice really takes me out of it. And also he's more quippy in just like a very, in a very Hollywood way, you know what I mean? In a very contrived way. There's a moment where he goes to get revenge on the rehab troops that kill Officer Lewis,

and one of them's about to light a cigarette and he's like, I'll take care of that. And then he blasts them all with a flamethrower. I'm like, did you stand around there for like 20 minutes for one of those guys to go on a cigarette break? I mean, you know. This has got to happen at some point. It was the early 90s.

People were smoking. Yeah. Or you wait for one of the guys to say, boy, I sure don't have a lot of bullets in me. And then he could be like, I'll take care of that. Wait, I just need to change the attachment on my arm. I mean, he was kind of, he was up against it because he was hired specifically

because he fit the measurements of the suit. They took the suit from Robocop 2, they repainted it so it's less blue. So it was basically like, we need a guy who can fit this because that saves on budget. Apparently the neck didn't fit him at all and was quite painful. I mean, it's a painful situation regardless. You can't adjust the neck?

You can't, you know, get a just... Nah. Okay then, great. Nah. You can take it off. Yeah. Give him a turtleneck. That's right.

We've upgraded you, Robocop. Murphy, we've salvaged some of your neck skin from your coffin. You can just have a regular neck. And now you're a regular neck Robocop. But, you know, I like that he's got a gun arm. That's cool. You know, I didn't think I'd notice that much. But even up close, it's very obviously not Peter Weller.

And you'd think he wouldn't really be able to tell, but you can. Yeah, and it's to the detriment of this movie. Again, I don't think it's anything to do with Robert John Burke. I think he did a pretty good job, again, in this very difficult situation. He's done good work since. I did some good work on Rescue Me. Oh, Rescue Me. I remember that.

It was a little show called The Gossip Girl. I don't know if you remember that. Oh, my God. He was the gossip girl. He gossiped. show called The Gossip Girl I don't know if you remember that oh my god he was the gossip girl he gossiped that's right yeah I didn't know that wow that's hard work

yeah yeah I think Nancy Allen's good as ever as Lewis of course but I mean they give her something to do this time get machine gunned to death

yeah she does that's right and there's a moment where again Robocop's about to fight the rehab guys but he can't kill them because they're OCP employees, and he shoots down at their feet, and then he just lets Lewis stand in front of him.

Murphy, you're the bulletproof one. What are you doing? His neck is exposed now. He doesn't want to get shot. That's true. I suspect Nancy Allen probably wanted to go out in a blaze of glory, and I think the squibbing is pretty good. It's not OCP executive being murdered by Ed 209 good

because obviously- You can't in this. You can't in this. But it was, you know, there's a decent amount of squibs on her. Yeah, I agree. Also, her death in this movie was publicly revealed a year earlier.

Oh no. For reasons that we will talk about. But yeah, she's great as always. Well, they should have, you know, they should have given us a fake out like they did in Star Trek 2. Exactly, just like Star Trek 2. She gets machine gunned and riddled with a thousand squibs and then it turns out it's just

the Kobayashi Maru simulation. Also, perfect opportunity to have second RoboCop. Second RoboCop. Can you imagine such a thing? No, me neither. Let's never forget that. I mean second RoboCop or a scene in which she has turned into RoboCop and pulls her own head off.

Sure, absolutely, yeah. So the violence in this, the studio mandate was obviously tone it right down. And we see that when Edward 209, he just riddles some cop cars with bullets. RoboCop at the end when he busts into the warehouse to kill everybody or whatever he busts into. That thing that he does in every movie. He busts into a place and kill everybody or whatever he's, wherever he busts into. That thing that he does in every movie. He busts into a place and he kills everybody. That's right.

He's using a flamethrower. Yeah. As opposed to riddling everybody with bullets. Which you'd think would be cool as hell. Yeah. That's usually not. Nah. It's, you know, he's flamethrowing people and they're like, oh, my skin.

Stop. Ooh, that stings. But I tell you what, I do like Bruceuce lock as otomo the uh the uh japanese robocop replacement the the android ninja i do as well i like his uh i like i like the fact that he can convert his face from just stoic robot warrior to just absolutely like deranged mess yeah i think that's impressive the moment where he gets his jaw knocked off and he has to sort of wrench his jaw back into place. It looks incredible. That's great work.

Completely agree. I think there's definitely something T-1000 about him, whether that is intentional or not, because this was filmed in 1991. I mean, there is morphing in this movie, of course. Oh, my God, there's so much morphing. There is a moment where Murphy sort of, he hurtles down the information superhighway cyber hole of his

memories and he comes across like just a face, the face of his ex-wife that then morphs into the face of the new girl in his life. The woman he knows. Yeah, the woman he knows. The other woman he knows because the third woman he knew got shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's great stuff. Oh, which reminds me, what a cavalcade of just TV stars of the 90s in this.

Who have we got? We have Rip Torn. Damn. From the Larry Sanders show, of course, as the new CEO of OCP. Who's not really committed to the role. I mean, Rip Torn is. But the new CEO is just like, I could take or leave this job, really. I don't know, Japanese investors? Sure, why job, really. I don't know. Japanese investors?

Sure, why not? Whatever. I don't care. We get Bradley Whitford. Yes. Soon to be in the West Wing. Oh, my God. Incredible.

He's gearing up. You can tell. He knows it's coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We get CCH Pounder. We get, of course, Stephen Root from News Radio. That's right. And other things, but at this time, News Radio.

News Radio, yeah. He's the stapler guy from Office Space. That's exactly office space sometimes we have to name specific roles otherwise people will say i can't believe you didn't mention that very specific thing that they're in yes exactly right and of course we get jeff garland as the guy in the donut shop of course you'll know from the movie i want someone to eat cheese with that's this is that the specific reference you want, you dogs? That's the one I wanted. That's right. And, of course, we get Jill Hennessy as Dr. Lazarus. You'll know Jill Hennessy as Jordan Crossing from the...

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TV show Crossing Jordan. I remember. Because if you cross Jordan, what happens? You get to cross Jordan. That's right. She becomes very cross. Don't do it. Don't do it.

But what a world. Just a bunch of very talented people just slumming it. Surprise me. Or is this their first foray into big Hollywood productions maybe and then their talents were seen elsewhere probably? You might be right, yeah. I just wanted to quickly get back to the storyline of this. So basically, OCP in conjunction with the Japanese

have decided to drive everybody. The Japanese Kanemitsu Corporation, not everybody in Japan. Really? No, I think they speak on behalf of all Japanese people. You think they took a vote? I think so, yeah. Okay, great. That they've got to basically push people out of their homes

to build this new city they've been talking about for three movies now. Delta City. But they also have the help of a grey-haired gentleman who has these corporate cops, and the regular cops, the real cops, the heart of the city. That's right. They don't necessarily want to borrow this. They don't want to be throwing people out of their homes.

Back the blue, I say. Don't back the light grey. Doesn't even work, does it? This doesn't even work. And of course, they've chosen the absolute most despicable example of an evil villain, a British man. God, he's so evil. Yuck.

Great head of hair on that fella. Oh, incredible. Yeah. Very nice. But I feel like, though, with the villains, the timing of it doesn't work. For example, with the Japanese cyborg robot, who's just a robot, I assume, and not a man at all. Well, I mean...

Because there's three of him. Yeah, there is three. That's true, yeah. Unless there were triplets. I don't know. But Robocop only meets one of them, like, 10 minutes before the end, and then he meets another two 10 minutes later.

I feel like that's something you do way earlier and you show how dangerous one of these things are and he barely gets through it and then two show up at the end right that's kind of the way that you'd think absolutely i don't know man you do it mini boss full boss style or whatever you know like in the dark souls or whatever you fight one of them and you're like boy tough boss battle and then later there's two of them yeah and you go i hate this game and you put it down and you never like, boy, tough boss battle. And then later there's two of them. Yeah. And you go, I hate this game. And you put it down and you never play it again. Correct.

Yeah. Or you get good scrub. I don't have the time for that. Why don't you make a game that's accessible to me? Why don't you bend around my abilities? That's a great point. Why is it always me caving to big gaming? It's a great point.

Mario should be shorter is what I'm saying. The first Mario. Super Mario Brothers on the list. Yeah, yeah. I could do that first level pretty easily. And I would love it if that was the end. Okay. Yeah.

Anyways, at the end, the police take a stand. The police chief specifically is like, I'm not going to do your dirty work, you British fuck. He doesn't say that because he can't. Because it's not that kind of movie. And at the end, the whole community stands up against these corporations. And then Robocop's like, I've got a jetpack. Look out, everybody.

And he's flying in. And you'd think it'd be really cool, but it's not really. It's quite bad. I don't know whether it's, like, it doesn't look necessarily terrible for the time, but it doesn't feel earned. I'm not like, God, he really overcame a bunch of stuff in this. There's a moment in it where he's flying across the ruined cityscape and there's all the rehab cops there fighting.

And he just, just stuff starts blowing up yeah and you're like is he doing that or yeah just is it just is it just the warranty on those cars expiring and they're just going up on their own yeah um yeah you're right all that goes down but of course dr lazarus she opens up like a pirate broadcast channel and she goes to every tv in the city and she's like hey everybody you thought ocp had all your best interests in mind but tv in the city and she's like hey everybody you thought ocp had all your best interests in mind but actually they don't and everybody's like oh my god she's right and then we cut to like the ocp offices and the the the ceo's being told that their stock price is tanking and he's like we're ruined they'll be fine yeah it'll be fine i think yeah

i think it's hilarious at the end as well that after Robocop defeats and kills whoever he has to or whatever okay so here's what happens he defeats British Man yep by blasting his feet

with jetpack fire something happens yeah yeah and the little kid defeats the two Otomo robots yeah

by reprogramming them to cut each other's heads off that's cool and that's exactly for people wondering... I like his broken up face. That's an homage to what happened to Rocky in Apollo Creed after the freeze frame at the end of Rocky III.

They beheaded each other. Yeah, they punched each other's heads off. Oh my God. Pretty cool, right? I hope they're alright. No, they're dead. Oh no. The reigning movies are just their last neurons firing

in just a beautiful dream they're having. Oh, that's no good. So Rocky dreamed he had cancer for a bit? Yep. Rocky dreamed he wasn't in Creed 3? That's correct, yep. Wow. That's fantastic.

Pretty good, right? Imagine having a dream where you're just sitting something out. Oh, my God, yeah. Just cancelling. That's like double rest. Yeah, my God. You have a dream where you really want to cancel some plans and then your friend calls up and cancels the plans already

and you're like, oh, pretty disappointed. Back to sleep for me. Oh, terrific, yeah. And then he died. Because his head was cut off. His head was cut off, yeah. But it's also interesting because despite this Japanese corporation who was speaking on behalf of the entire Japanese community,

was that something you said, I believe? Yep, agreed. That at the end, they've been defeated and he's in the street and he like bows to Robocop out of respect. And it's like, the fuck is this? I don't understand. Like why would Robocop even care if this guy likes him?

He tried to destroy him. Yeah. Right. Does that matter? You said guys to cut his head off. Come on. It's so weird that Robocop didn't kill him. And then rip taunts like, hey, what's going on?

I like you, Robocop. And Robocop's like, we're not mates. That's right. And that's the ending. Yeah. I think that's a beautiful message that you can tell someone you're not their mate. You know? Honesty is the best policy.

That's what he's learned. That's what he's learned over the course of these three movies. It's nothing about duty or, you know. Love. Love or finding humanity, you know, finding the remainder of your... Wow. It's not about, you know,

finding scraps of your humanity and becoming a new person or whatever. It's realising you can tell someone you're not mates anymore. You can be a bit rude. You can be a bit rude if you want to. Yeah, so there you go. Now, according to director Fred Decker.

Oh, yes. That's great to say, by the way. Try that at home. He had some regrets about this movie, unfortunately. He said, if I had to do certain things over for Robocop 3, it would be hiring an Asian stunt team for the fight sequence between Robo and Otomo. Now, okay, that is probably very accurate and true. But also, I feel like that wasn't the trend at the time in Hollywood.

Absolutely not. I don't know when that interview's from, but I'm going to take a wild guess and say it's after The Matrix came out. Because then, obviously, it would make sense after that. But prior to that, it's, you know, why would you bring in outside guys when you've got some regular guys? It says they caught him here coming out of the screening of The Matrix. Reloaded.

He didn't see the first one. That's weird. Isn't that weird? He started there. He would have made the flying sequence really exciting and really different. Yes, that's true. That's cool. And he would have added more humour.

You know, if we had more time, we'd make this video better as well. Just better. There's one of these a week. What do you want from Ben and Lawrence? They're trying their best. They're killing themselves for you guys. That's right. Just some respect.

But if they could make it a bit better. I would love that. I don't even know what specifically you would do. Yeah, if they could just be inspired more. You know? Like Fred Decker would have been. That's right, yeah. He would have also added more humour.

Just better jokes. Just add more jokes, you know? Ben and Lawrence, if you would have also added more humour. Just better jokes. Just add more jokes, you know. Ben and Lawrence, if you could just add some more jokes. Just find one of those email forwards from back in the 90s filled with old jokes and just stick some in. Yeah, plonk it in, yeah. More for his characters to do and do more special things with it. Look, man, it's bad.

But also, what do you do with Robocop 3 when they're like, make it more kid friendly. Also, we've run out of money. Yeah. What do you do? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I think he did an okay job in this situation. Yeah, absolutely.

Anyways, it's time for three trivia. The trivia section. When we do trivia. It's not three. I think in retrospect, if you had more time, you should have come up with a better title for that. I think you could have. Yeah, but I didn't have more time, did I?

No. I only had this whole week to come up with it. That's true, yeah. And you were too busy watching The Matrix Reloaded. Listen, I also need people to know, because they often say to me, James, why didn't you say Robo Trivia or something like that? I'm intentionally trying to make these as aesthetically unpleasant as possible.

Understand. Just so people know. It's actually harder to make it unpleasant. This seems like a Fred Decker style retcon to me. I'm doing it on purpose. Oh, yeah. So this is just really for me, but somebody actually says robot cop in this movie. I love that.

Love that. Love that. Jeff Garland said he had eaten 36 donuts during the shooting of the donut shop scene. There you go. Unlike the first two movies, this one, and you probably know this, did not receive a novelization. Interesting. Alan Dean Foster mustn't have been available, I'd imagine. And due to repeated delays faced by the film's production ocean's robocop 3 game which was an adaptation of the film and closely closely it followed the plot sort of it came out on pc

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Just put your money in. Just shove your money into your computer. It's fine. Don't worry about it. Now, the box office for this movie on a budget of $22 million seems wrong, but all right. That's not bad. That's not bad. It doesn't look terrible.

No, I agree. But again, that's probably because all we're really focusing on is the Robocop suit and they stole it from the last production. Yeah, you're right. So the box office return was $47 million. So this made money back and enough that they went, okay, we're going to try a TV show. Oh, that TV show didn't work.

Okay, we're going to try another sort of mini tv show in the early 2000s as mentioned last week we might come back to those another time but what we're really going to look at next week the big one the real deal oh yes is the 2014 oh my god robocop 4 they call it that's what they call it and that's what it's called yeah so what do you think what do you think of the first like i consider that a separate a separate beast definitely so how do you feel about the trilogy overall, having just done the full rewatch? I mean, one is incredible.

It is, yeah. And the other ones make it look even more incredible. It's true. Again, I like the second one, but it's not a patch on the first. And I think this one as well, it dropped the ball again. I understand why it's following on from the second one, obviously. But they dropped the ball again on making Murphy just a weird robot again. Yep.

I didn't like it. Yeah. If they're going to do a reboot of this, and they will. Yes. Because people will remember it somewhat. Let the next actor show his humanity. Let him live. Let him live.

Let him run free. That's right. Let him run free in the fields. Oh, they did that in Robocop 4. Remember? Oh, yeah. He does run in the fields. He goes on the run, yeah. Yeah. That's right. Let him run free in the fields. Oh, they did that in Robocop 4. Remember? Oh, yeah, he does run in the fields. He goes on the run, yeah. Yeah, that's good fun.

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We're not, but we could start. Sounds like a really good idea. I'm actually not that busy. Because those titles for trivia doesn't take me that long, actually. Interesting. Yeah, I lied. Is it just the first thing you think of? It's mostly the first thing,

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