The Weekly Planet - Shrek Forever After - Caravan of Garbage

Episode Date: February 23, 2023

Shrek Forever After acts as the final chapter in the Shrek Franchise. Except for Puss In boots 2011. Then Puss In Boots: The Last Wish. And a bunch of animated specials. ANYWAYS this time around Shrek decides to shatter all space and time in order to spend one day kid free which is weird because he should have instead gone to the beach or something. Thanks for watching our Caravan Of Garbage review. Video Edition ►   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItbKogLVzLY&tHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/ Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymovies James' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymovies Maso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrown T-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-s... Amazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Welcome back, everybody, to Caravan of Garbage, where we are wrapping up the Shrek franchise. For now. For now, Mason. And I say for now, because we'll talk more about more Shrek later, more things. For now. And for now also.

We had a discussion before this started about what this movie was called. You thought it was Shrek Goes Forth, but you're thinking of Blackadder. I am thinking of Blackadder, yeah. But this movie asked the question, well, two things. Can you leave a like on this video? It was very ahead of its time. And the second one is, what if Shrek hated his family enough to change the entirety of space and time?

What if he wanted to stumble into some kind of weird Back to the Future 2 scenario where Biff took over Hill Valley? An injustice kind of situation. I like to think of it as. Yeah, no. No, the one thing I said. This one obviously is about like

how utterly terrible it is to be famous and beloved and have it all boo-hoo. You know? To just still not be happy. Yeah. I think there's something broken in you, Shrek. That's certainly true. I think, though, at least he figures it out really quickly that he fucked up.

Like, almost immediately. He has his little fun montage, which I really enjoyed. I love the bit where he infiltrated a wedding. I've got a note here. It says, Shrek must have gotten legally married to that random man. Because we cut in on that scene when they're going in for the kiss. So they must have said, I now pronounce you man and wife. He was doing the voices.

Yeah. He must have been, right? But I think, in a way. Where's the woman gone? I ate her, probably. Oh, yeah, he probably did, yeah. And those eyeballs for his martinis. Yeah, in a way. Where's the woman gone? I ate her, probably. Oh, yeah, he probably did, yeah. And those eyeballs for his martinis. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But also, like, I feel probably if you didn't recognise that your wife had been killed and eaten and replaced with a Shrek, that marriage probably wasn't going to work out anyway. I don't know, maybe he picked a woman who had, like, the exact stature that he had. That's a good point, yeah. He's not an idiot, Mason. I mean, he did this.

He's an idiot. So in this one, obviously, you know, he's got the perfect life, he's married and he's got three beautiful children and everybody loves him, but then he's like, oh, this is tough. I don't like how tough this is and people aren't scared of me no more and sometimes the kids, they're yelling and all that sort of stuff.

And it's like, just get a babysitter and have a weekend away. A dirty weekend away. Well, yeah, absolutely. I think that's valid. A muddy weekend away. He's surrounded by people who love him and a dragon and freak donkey children and all that. And that cat with a sword who I love, Mason. You know that.

And yeah, also, why is he like, yuck, dirty nappies? That seems like something you would eat. Yeah. Why is that the line for you that's right i don't know yeah but anyway he like a dog will eat its own vomit i feel like shrek would eat a dirty his own child's poo yes yeah wow okay i've not thought about it but i think you're probably absolutely right i haven't mentioned yet it's like living in a chocolate factory exactly i haven't mentioned it yet, but

I think this is really good. I thought it was pretty fun as well. I think it's way better than the other one. It's a step up from the last one, I should say. Anyway, he makes a deal with Rumpelstiltskin. Returning villain, by the way. He was in the last one. He's one of the villains in the bar. He looks nothing like him, but it's a different voice. Maybe there was some time

dilation, back to the future stuff going on with him as well. Why would you trust that dirty little rat man? I know. Honestly, just look at him. Anyway, he makes a deal with him, and Shrek ends up erasing the day he was born, and then no longer exists,

and the world turns into, as you said, an Injustice-style universe. That's not what I said. Well, so you said Flashpoint, didn't you? No, I said Injustice. You're thinking of a different reality in which I said Flashpoint. i guess flashpoint is also relevant isn't it mason yeah yeah i think one of the things about this that really works is the focus is back on shrek and fiona and the last movie was just like i don't know prince charming and we did it i don't want to

talk about it i can't really remember but know, the fact that because Shrek never existed and she had to rescue herself and she's just bitter and angry and, you know, there's that part of her which was just completely, like, stripped away by Shrek not being there. But it's really, like, who rescued who, you know what I mean? They even say that at one point. Shrek even says that. Like, the emotional

core of these characters in this series is back, Mason. I know this one is not, like, widely beloved. There is a bit of, like, controversy about it. Is there? But at least they, I think there's a lot of things that they attempt here, and at least the villain is kind of fun and interesting. And a dirty little rat man.

And a dirty little rat man. And also not played by, like, a famous celebrity. No. They just got a talented voice actor, apparently. Well, no, he was somebody who worked on the production who then took on this role. He did the readings. Huh.

And then they were like, yeah, no one's better than you. We'll do it. There was actually somebody else very famous who was up for the role who I'll talk about in Green Trivia, Mason. So stick around for that, Mason. And some other delightful cast members. We've got Jon Hamm as the handsome ogre. Now you say handsome, right? And that's

true. Yes. A few weeks back we wondered is Shrek bald? He is bald it turns out. Because some of the other ogres do have hair. All his kids have hair. Yep. His wife has hair obviously. Jon Hamm's got a shaved head. Unless he got that like you know scalp tattoo

situation going on. Oh, sure, maybe. Or it's just mud. I don't know. It might be mud, yeah. But I like all the alternate dimension kind of characters that we see here. I love that the gingerbread man is some kind of cage fighter, MMA gladiator situation. I enjoy that. I enjoy, like, little tubby puss in boots.

That's really good. I love this idea of Fiona being, you know, this leader of the ogre rebellion. One of her best looks, I think. I agree. Maybe her best look. I think her best look too. Warrior Princess Fiona. Yep.

Ogre Fiona. Yep. Generic Lady Fiona. Completely agree. Where does, when they put them all in wigs and stuff and finery in Shrek the Third, where does that fit? Is that last? Yeah, I think it might be last, yeah.

Yeah, fair enough. What about Donkey with Mange? Yeah, I like that a lot. Ooh, I'm loving the look of that. And just even being able to reintroduce those characters and change up the dynamic slightly. I don't think this one, though, if I had any criticisms, Mason, it's not as funny as the first two.

Sure, yeah. But the Shrek movies, they're not exclusively comedies so it's free would prove that that is true but also how about this i think the comedy in this one although lesser probably more timeless because there's fewer references to like current pop songs i mean there are songs but you're right they go for more like cool edgy songs you know where you go oh that's a good song isn't it fewer matrix kicks yeah significantly fewer yeah i i also like when all of this is is cleared up and we know that shrek is actually bald that's good to know actually at the end shrek gets what he wants because he gets his family back and he realizes that you know he

blew it and he and he wiped his kids from total existence. I've got emotional-mation. I've got emotional. I've got emotional-mation. Because I have kids and if I wiped them from existence in some kind of scenario like this, which I would never do, if some weird little creep in a magical universe

was like, sign this contract, I'd beat him up, Mason. I'd beat you up. I'd just beat him up. I'd beat him up for even suggesting that to me. I'd beat him up, Mason. You'd beat him up for daring to speak to you. That's right, I'd beat him up. I'd beat him up for even trying to, you know, suggesting that to me. I'd beat him up, Mason. You'd beat him up for daring to speak to you. That's right, I'd beat him up. I've got a million subscribers

on YouTube, you'd say. How dare you, sir? I'll kick you, you little rat man. It's probably called Fairy Tale Tube. And it's like a magic mirror. Or, no, it's a pocket magic mirror, Mason. Because, you know, the magic mirror is the TV in this universe.

But there's also only one. I don't know how TV works in this universe. Everybody would be looking at their little pocket mirrors on the bus. Typical. Pulled by a horse. Horse pulled bus. Or a goblin or whatever. Goblin pulled bus.

But also, so Shrek gets his family back. And also, he got to have a cool day. So he kind of got everything that he wanted, you know? It was a cool day. It was pretty intense. It was a cool day. And then what I found truly bizarre is, at the end, they've got Rumpelstiltskin in a cage.

And then they just kill his goose. Sure, yeah. There was genuinely a moment towards the end where, of course, he's trying to escape on his big goose. I love that goose, by the way. Horrible. Love it. They're uniformly horrible, aren't they?

Yeah, they are. Big, small, they're horrible. But there's a moment where he, you know, they... It's just a big goose. Like it's not that different from an actual goose. Sure. They knock him off the goose and he sort of tumbles to the ground. And I almost, I thought from just a moment,

there might have been a moment where he just got absolutely million dollar baby and he just cracked his neck. Like a stare or something or a chair or something. And everybody just stares silently at him. Yeah. But he lived. And yeah, I know, right. Also, I like how he's,

all the Wicked Witch of the West situation that he's got, you know? You know, see, I didn't like that. Because there's too many? Because there's too many of them. I think what happened there is they went, because the previous ones, you know, like them or not,

had a wide variety of villains. Yeah, there wasn't 15 Captain Hooks or whatever, I guess. Exactly. I think what happened here is they put all the production to the secondary ogres, the handsome ogres and so forth, and then they're like, oh, we don't have the time or money for more interesting villains. There was probably one initially.

Let's just do 100 witches. There was probably one initially, and then they went, oh, yeah, we'll just do 100. And the rat whistler, which I think is his name. Sure. The rat whistler, Mason. Now is his name. Sure. The rat whistler, Mason. Now, I know you love Shrek theories. You say to me every week, James, when can we start recording so I can hear more Shrek theories? Shrek theories, please.

Yeah, so here I've got some for you. Because this one, when you bring in time travel and alternate dimensions, it opens questions up in the universe that perhaps we'll be able to answer. Is death even real? Great question. Or is there only death? Yeah, probably. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I guess.

Yeah, I guess, sure. Anyways, one of the theories is that Puss in Boots was the one that killed all the ogres in the normal timeline. The idea of this theory is, and it's pretty much implied in this movie, that Puss in Boots was sent to kill Fiona, just like Puss in Boots was sent to kill Shrek. Okay. But it didn't happen. She captured him, made him a little house cat, and he lost his edge, right?

For sure. But in the regular timeline, he probably killed most of the ogres. Now, not all of them, because Jon Hamm and his mates or whatever, they're in the little dance at the end. But there's not 400 of them. That's true. There's like 12-ish. So he probably killed a bunch of them. Right.

He's an ogre murderer. He's just at the party. He's waiting for any of the ogres to, like, recognize him as the cat. Killed all their friends. They're eyeing him off. They're like, he seems familiar but why yeah i don't know what it is yeah absolutely and this theory i really like it's the fate of certain characters including fark wad fairy godmother and prince charming right okay dead

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That's sunrisechallenge.ca. Forever timeline. The fairy godmother. Trek in World War I. Yes. But the fairy godmother isn't in this scenario, even though she should be, right? She should be in this dimension.

She was part of the king and queen's problem, and in signing that contract, all their problems disappear, including the fairy godmother who instigated a bunch of the tower stuff and whatever, right? Prince Charming in this universe also was probably just killed by the dragon because in Shrek 2 He goes to make a rescue attempt And Fiona's not there

So in this scenario Fiona was never rescued This guy probably ran in and got torched immediately Nice Nice And Farkwad Who should be in this universe also Who initially was going to come back actually

They mentioned John Lithgow was going to return In this one. You know how he hated all freaks and all that kind of stuff? Sure. I'd imagine... No, he's a freak. He's a weird little freak. I mean, that army of supernatural witches

just probably just killed him and he's in Tri-Kingdom. And there's actually... They probably got him with those skulls on chains and then drew and quartered him. Exactly. Yeah, wouldn't it take him long? No, no, no, no, no. I'm a little freak.

There's actually a spooky Halloween Shrek-tacular little spin-off thing where you actually find out what happens to his kingdom, how it's all abandoned and all of that thing and whatever. But that's not what we're here to talk about. We're here to talk about Green Trivia Mason. Now, is it called Green Trivia because of Shrek Mason? No. Thank you.

Coincidence. Coincidence. Does it have the guy who shouts Rodney, though? Oh, it might. Now, is it called Green Trivia because of Shrek, Mason? No. Thank you. Coincidence. Coincidence. Does it have the guy who shouts Rodney, though? Oh, it might. Yeah, it does. Nice. Here we go, Mason. Here's some Green Trivia.

Here's some fun little facts about Shrek in this movie. Some fun little facts. In the audio commentary for the DVD release, director Mike Mitchell states Brogan, who's the Jon Hamm one, was originally meant to be Prince Charming, the villain from Shrek the Third, with the same curse as Fiona. His name was going to be whatever charming is backwards.

Or something like that, yeah. Which I don't hate that idea. I don't hate it at all. Yeah. As this movie is essentially about a crisis in Shrek and Fiona's marriage, very relatable, the production team actually consulted with various marriage counsellors

about how the characters should best act. Do you think he did enough wooing to get her back? Not really, no. You don't think he put in the time? I mean, he only had 24 hours before the sun comes up and whatever. That is true. That's all I'm saying. Well, all I'm saying is, I don't know, true love's kiss.

Can you get that going in 24 hours before the sun goes down? Yeah. Yeah, you can. He did it in the first movie. That's a good point, actually, yeah. They knew each other for, what, 14 hours or whatever it was? That's fine. Here we go.

There were originally intentions for the first movie's villain, Lord Farquaad, to be alive in the alternate dimension where Shrek was never born. John Lithgow was announced to be appearing in the movie, but he, along with other Shrek villains, only appeared in the post-credits of the final movie, Mason. There's been a few times where they're like, John Lithgow's coming back.

Nah, just kidding. He's in that Shrek spooky ride or whatever we talked about. He's going to be in Cliffhanger 2. I would love that. Mm-hmm, right? Yeah. Someone else. Still hanging.

They find his corpse and they go, that's the guy from Cliffhanger 1. We wonder what happened to him. He fell into this crevasse. Yeah, that's the guy from Cliffhanger 1. We wonder what happened to him. He fell into this crevasse. Yeah, that's how we say it in this universe. I don't know if you know this, but this remains the only Shrek movie to date where Shrek is not seen getting kicked in the groin. Did you know that?

I didn't know that, but now that you bring it up, it's the only thing I can see. Great. Just an uncrushed crotch. Very, very disappointing. I agree. The role of Rumpelstiltskin was originally meant for Sir Paul McCartney. Whoa.

But he dropped out due to creative differences. I mean, they had live and let die in the last movie, didn't they? That's true, they did, yeah. That would have been not good. Creative differences? Yeah. Sir Paul, can you read these lines? No. Abbey Road.

Yeah, we know, Paul. Get over it. I was in Wings too. No one cares, Paul. No one cares about Wings. It's a super group. It wasn't a super group. You're thinking of the travelling Wilburys. You're not George Harrison.

Get out of here. All right, we're going to chalk this up to creative differences. Can we say it was creative differences? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, right. McCartney. He's in one of the Pirates movies, remember? Yeah, yeah.

I'm sure he's terrific. Also, interestingly enough, there's no Gilligan's Island trivia in the IMDb page for some reason. Oh, this guy got bored. I guess he did. What are you doing, that guy? Get on this. Come on. Yeah, I was expecting it.

Box office, though, this had a budget of between $135 to $165 million, and it had a return of $752 million, about $50 million less than the last. Still big, though. Still bigger than the first Shrek movie also. But the thing is, they just kind of killed it. It's weird in an era where these still did well. They went, let's not. But did Mike Myers?

Maybe that's part of it, yeah. I mean, he seems like a guy who, you know, I guess feels like, you know, I've told all the story I can or I've got what I can out of this and I'm happy to kind of. Wayne's World 2. Wayne's World 2, exactly, yeah. Yeah, no, you might be right. But, you know, there has been, as mentioned, various Shrek specials.

Shrek-cials? Thank you. And there was, you know, obviously the 2022 Puss in Boots movie. There's also been Puss in Boots, like, series on Netflix or whatever. But you might be like, is Shrek coming back, Mason? I am wondering that. Yes, he's going to come back. Oh, of course, there's Shrek the Musical.

There's Shrek the Musical, which I haven't seen, but by all accounts is a musical. And Shreckingly good. That's what I've heard from you. But you also haven't seen it. You saw that on a poster. I saw it on a poster, yes. But here's all the information we currently have about Shrek 5.

First of all, his return is teased at the end of Puss in Boots. At the end, they're going towards Far, Far Away Land or whatever. Is it like the end of Split? The M. Night Shyamalan movie? We just go to a tavern and he's watching the events of Puss in Boots on a TV screen. Or a mirror. Yeah, or a mirror. It would be that one mirror, yes.

No, he's just going towards the kingdom or whatever. It's weird, there's a far, far away land, and it's ruled by King Arty, as in King Arthur, and there's a France, but it's not England? Or is it? Great question. Because it's kind of LA or something? Maybe Shrek 5 will provide all the answers we need.

Well, here's something from screenwriter Michael McCullers. Excuse me? That's a made-up name. That's a real name. He's a real man, I reckon. Are these all just Mike Myers? Because the director's like Mike Mitchell and this guy's Mike McCullers. I don't know. I'd imagine it's just Mike Myers doing that Scottish thing that he does, right?

Hey, Mike Myers, who's doing the script writing on this? Mike McCullers? A friend from college? Scottish college? Mike says, which one? Who knows? It's got a pretty big reinvention behind it that I guess I can't reveal, but reinvention

was sort of called for. There's been four movies and a lot of material, so the characters are pretty beloved and they're great characters, but you also have to think of a pretty new take at that point. Cyber Shrek. Cyber Shrek think of a pretty new take at that point. Cyber Shrek. Cyber Shrek in the future. I think at this point you could also be like

his kids have grown up so we don't have to do any of that. And we don't have to get Mike Myers. That's true. No, they'll have to do it. Or you could put his kids

at an age where they're How about this though? James Corden. I'm not even one of the people who hate him but the idea of that makes you physically ill. Disgusting.

He would eat a diaper probably. Don't you think? Yeah. But not feel like a sketch. Oh, I was going to say for like a viral video. No, he'd just do it. Oh, no. I don't even hate him, Mason.

Yeah, it seems that way. So, yeah, I just think, you know, if his kids are aged up or not in it at all, you know, you can have Shrek can't relate to a teenager because they're always on their little mirror or whatever. I've got too many ogre children. Yeah. But you notice at the end when he puts the book on the shelf,

there's a number of books up there, including Puss in Boots, which is, of course, the movie after this in 2011, the first one. But tell me if any of these titles, which are actually in the movie, are of interest to you. Fiona of Troy. Sure, I guess. The Taming of the Shrek. Doesn't make any sense, but all right. of these titles which are actually in the movie are of interest to you fiona of troy sure i guess the taming of the shrek doesn't make any sense but all right a midsummer night's shrek oh i like that one shrek and the beanstalk i mean a giant would be cool right yeah shrek has to go because

maybe his kid climbs and beanstalks yeah i don't know you made another horrible goose horrible goose ah just another goose we could see killed on screen. Yes, please. But of course, this at one point was the biggest animated franchise of all time, monetarily Mason. It's now, of course, been surpassed by Minions slash Despicable Me. But this has made something like three and a half billion dollars. There might be another number.

Here's the actual number on the screen. Wow. Ben and Lawrence put it up. Yeah. So I want more Shrek, though. I love Shrek. But this sounds like it's going to be a reboot of some kind. I think it will be a soft reboot. I don't think that would go new Shrek, new whatever.

Okay. New whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, right. I mean, I don't know. It's like when they did The Amazing Spider-Man. It's like, I don't need this again, slightly differently. Like, I would rather a continuation.

Sure. Maybe a Force Awakens-style reboot where it's the same movie again, mostly. Maybe. Maybe, like you said, like Amazing Spider-Man, just the events of Shrek 1, but they're being listened to by a couple of guys in a van, in a subplot that goes nowhere.

Oh, I would love that. But the van is pulled by, like, gremlins or whatever. Yeah, by would love that. But the van is pulled by like gremlins or whatever. Yeah, by gremlins. Anyways, did you have a shreckingly good time with this movie? I had a shreckingly good time with this movie. Follow-up question. Go on. Did you have a shreckingly good time with this franchise?

I think overall I had a shreckingly good time. Pretty solid return on these four movies, I would say. I think so, yeah. I mean, you know, they are a product of their time. Some of the stuff is a little bit dated. The Matrix kick. Yes. Yeah, I agree.

It's just a pretty nice, weird universe. Oh, you know what? The fifth one should be like Matrix Resurrections, and it's Shrek and Fiona meet in a coffee shop, and they think they remember each other, but they're not sure why. Another dimension or something? Neil Patrick Harris is there.

Okay. What does he say? He's a gremlin. Okay. It doesn't matter what he says, but he's a gremlin. I guess it doesn't matter, does it? Yeah. Anyways, do you want to hint towards next week, Mason?

Yeah. Here it is. Hey, guess what? What? You can say that early. Oh, my God. I mean, you'll have to record it with me first. Okay, sure.

But after that's happened, if you head over to bigsandwich.coco the edits always go up there a day early so what you're suggesting is i record this with you yep and then i go to big sandwich and i pay yeah nine us dollars per month which is a bargain i agree because it's not actually just the early videos is right there's movie commentaries bonus podcast bonus podcast podcasts. There's bonus podcasts, that's right. There's a whole bunch of stuff there. Our podcast, The Weekly Planet, where we talk movies and comics and TV shows,

goes up there a day early on Monday as opposed to Sunday. Why wouldn't you do that, Mason? Sounds incredible. I mean, if you're not going to do it, why would anybody else do it? That's a great point.

Yeah. I've got to lead by example. Exactly. All right, everybody, we'll see you soon for another video. Hell yeah. Grab that Shrek, you guys. We'll see you next week.

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