The Weekly Planet - Smallville's Justice League - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: April 1, 2021

People may be loving Zack Snyder's Justice League but little known fact but not really Smallville introduced a very early days live action version of the team in the Season 6 episode, Justice. Featuring a team up between Clark Kent, Cyborg, Aquaman, Impulse and Green Arrow it certainly is something and a series of events happen until they don't because the episode is over. Thanks for listening!SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNVideo Edition ► https://youtu.be/arxTLhNRgjoHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-moviesThe Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. A very exciting episode of Caravan of Garbage this week. For some, for some, for some who are the fans of the hit TV series, Small Vile. Because, you know,

quite recently we had the release of course of the real Justice League. That's right. Then we figured, no, no, no, no, no.

It's a bit too soon to do a Caravan of Garbage on, on that. And we'd have to split it up and I'm kind of want to see the fallout from the universe and what's coming in the future. So instead we're going to talk about the real Justice League that's right that being said we also did the real Justice League the first live action Justice League like a few years back yeah absolutely tragic I mean they gave it a fair go but my goodness right anyway leave a like if you could absolutely I wanted to ask you though about your opinions

on Smallville in general where where are you at with it? It's a real odd duck of a TV series, isn't it? I mean, first of all, because to the best of my knowledge, it didn't start out as a young Superman TV series. It started out as a young Batman TV series because in the Batman origin story, a young Bruce Wayne, after the death of his parents, he goes around the world and he meets all these experts and they teach him all the skills he needs

to become the world's greatest crime fighter. And then he gets into adventures and he meets all these shady characters and that informs his crime fighting career. He meets Richard Dragon. Right. I was going to name another one, I can't. Richard Marks, the singer.

That's right. Yeah, right there waiting for you, Bruce Wayne. Richard Lester, director of Superman 3. Wow. He goes, this is what you don't do. Like Superman 3 says. That's right. Avoid my mistakes.

But I guess Warner Brothers at that point was developing an origin of Batman movie. Like Darren Aronofsky was going to do one. It eventually became Batman Begins. But there was a few kind of things in the works. And I also think probably during the pitch meeting they said, and he flies all around the world to all sorts of very exotic locations, just new sets. You mean like Vancouver?

No, just Hawaii every week. What about like basements, barns? No, no, he's going to. Facilities with pipes. No, no, or every continent in the world, just new characters, new costumes, new sets, new props. And they went okay how about this instead we do a show that's set in a town so small it's literally called smallville

yeah that's a great idea so there were these so apparently there were these two guys gal and miller they're like the executive producers of the show and one thing i do know about the production of it and i'd watched most seasons of this oh really i didn't watch what i think i did is i watched the first season and it became a little bit monster of the week and then i skipped a couple and then i came back into it i'm like oh this is actually kind of you know it came and went from tv in australia as well that's true yeah i was super excited when it first came out here which was 2002 like a year after it came out uh everywhere else in the world i've heard the word on the street is that it's bad. Yeah, and look, I was initially very into it because there hadn't been a Superman movie in a very long time.

And I think it's all very well cast, and it looks pretty good for a TV show as well, and I like Tom Welling and the cast in general. But yeah, for me it was like, oh, this guy picked up a rock and now he turns into a bug man or whatever. Amy Adams is a fat-sucking vampire woman. Who do you think the bug man is? Do you think it might be that weird guy down the end of the block

and he's obsessed with bugs and his house is filled with bugs and maybe the meteor rocks have turned him into a bug man who's full of bugs also? Yeah. Yeah. Of course it's him. It's obviously him. They call him Buggy Bill.

But, yeah, no, so the executive producers of this show, Gow and miller apparently they didn't they weren't a fan of comic books growing up or anything like that they didn't really know anything about comic books and so they set this particular edict in mind for when people were writing the show and you know putting together the scenes for the show and it was the very catchy no tights no flights so the idea was that clark kent would never some fights yeah like with a bug bug boy? Yeah. Like with the bug boy. That's right.

Who's the bug boy? It's that guy. It's always- I'm covered in bugs. So it was Clark Kent would never wear the iconic sort of red and blue suit, either as Superman or Superboy. We get it sort of at the very end. It's a big point of controversy.

And the idea also was that he would never fly. But as we saw, because we watched an episode in the sixth season, almost all of the title sequence is devoted to clips of Clark Kent flying around. But also sometimes he's overtaken by something else or whatever. There were a lot of loopholes. Who flies in his sleep. Yeah, and one of which was that, to address this one first,

one of which was that multiple times, multiple times during the series, some villain would take over his body and or his mind and be like, hey, this dude can fly. He can immediately fly. And then when Clark got his body back, he's like, I don't think I will. So it's just him zipping about on the ground all the time. But that's what people want,

and that's why it's in the title sequence, because you're like, it's Superman. He flies around and he saves people. That's what I'm looking. And it wouldn't be that much cheaper to just have him running around. No, absolutely not. And also, they do decent flying effects, because it's in the title sequence for one. But yeah, there's a lot of like, look, he's not going to be in the costume, but look,

he's going to wear a red jacket and a blue t-shirt. And in one particular season, he does wear this sort of very Neo from the Matrix-esque black shirt, black pants, black trench coat with the silver S on the chest. Which is a good look. Yeah, it's a pretty good look. But yeah, speaking of the costume, because of that rule that he would never wear a costume,

it sort of went against the sort of the Superman's place in the comic books where he is sort of the first, you know, classic cape and tights superhero and everybody else follows in his wake. So for many seasons of this show, all of a sudden there's a bunch of people showing up with costumes and code names and superpowers. They're already fully fledged superheroes. And he's just there being like, oh, guess I'll just keep wearing this little zip-up jacket.

Absolutely. I think this episode then is a perfect example of that because it's titled Justice. Coming into this, it's gone well beyond kids eating rocks and turning into monsters. It is. If you just go into this episode blind, which, you know. At this point, I am going blind, really.

I'm like, okay, so Clark's working with Lex Luthor's father. Who's a good guy, maybe? He's currently a good guy. Yep, Lionel Luthor knows that Clark is superpowered. Yep, exactly. Lex is doing experiments on metahumans. He probably went bad a couple seasons earlier, maybe. I'm not sure the exact timeline.

His famous 33.1 project, which isn't explained, but I suspect it was a plot to make the 33 and a third record slightly slower all around the world so that pretentious record collectors would just be slightly less entertained by their music. You know they're going to turn bad, aren't they? Exactly. They're going to eat a kryptonite rock and turn into a weird disco villain. And so at this point, Lois Lane, who was not in the earlier season,

she's made her a... Erica Durant. She's made an appearance and she's currently dating Oliver Queen. Oh my God, Mr. not in the earlier season. She's made her a... Erica Durant. She's made an appearance, and she's currently dating Oliver Queen. Oh, my God. Mr. Mid-2000s himself. Who, prior to this, we've done a video on the failed Aquaman pilot,

in which he was Aquaman. Justin Hartley, yes. And that didn't get picked up, but I guess the creators of that liked him enough. Who are Miller and Gao again. Yeah. Were like, bring him in for something else here. Yeah, absolutely.

Also, they should call him Green Crossbow because he mostly uses a crossbow in this. It's true. Also, he's got like a teeny tiny little bow and arrow. They're still working some stuff out here. Should we talk about the team that's been assembled in this? Yes. So we've got Bart Allen, who's very unpleasant.

Just no good. It's awful. Again, one of those choices like, why don't you just make him the Flash because he's impulse. You know, he is a speedster in the DC universe. I've seen him before. But like, yeah, okay, whatever. Why, James, do they have to make super speedsters always annoying?

I know it's because they're supposed to be like, I'm really fast and the world's running really slow, so I've got to, you know, I'm a little bit. Just give us a speedster who's really laid back. Like a chill dude? Yeah. Like a Jack Johnson type? Yeah, who's just like, I have so much time.

I'm never under pressure, so I'm real chill. That's actually a pretty good idea. I'm going to steal that for my pilot, Smallville. More Smallville. It's just Smallville again. Smallville, more Smallville. It's just Smallville again. Great.

Though Bart Allen has I think my favourite interaction in this episode when Lex Luthor captures him he's like I want a lawyer and Lex Luthor goes

yeah well I want a ponytail so I'm like okay that's a fun interaction yeah he's got a great podcast as well Lex Luthor inside of you with

Michael Rosenbaum Lex Luthor does yes no he probably would have a great podcast though I reckon if you put his mind to it. It'd be an evil podcast.

Very evil. Excellent production value, though. It's some of the best. Like an evil reply all. That's right. We also have Aquaman or AC. And like most of the Justice League in this, though they're not officially called that,

all of these people showed up on previous episodes where Clark's like, I've never seen a guy swim so fast. I've never seen a guy run so fast. I think he might be able to swim faster than me. This guy's using a computer faster than I can use a computer. And that actor, Alan Richardson, he later went on to be

Hawk, one half of Hawk and Dove, in the Titans TV series, which had a great first season and a second season that's unwatchable. Wow. He's been in a lot of stuff. But I did watch it. And I'll watch season three. So I guess watchable then, isn't it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's also Leonardo from the latest Ninja Turtle movies. That's right, yeah. But his voice got swapped out for Johnny Knoxville, and that's a whole big thing. That's a big falling out from that. But I like him. We have No Budget Cyborg.

I was in a terrible accident so I've got cyborg parts completely covering my body which are then covered over with my human parts. So I'm just a man with a hole in my arm and I can plug into computers

or something. That's it. So Lee Thompson Young who unfortunately passed away in 2013. But yeah, it is. It's like, it's normal clothes

over like a rubber vest yeah well i mean yeah i was gonna say not i mean they're all rubber vests looking dudes aren't they in this era oakley sunglasses were in wrapping wrapping around your head and sleeves were out my friend everybody's gotta everybody's gotta zip up sleeveless hooded vest oh yeah just very rubbery very rubbery all the time yeah also whenever he's doing his cyborg stuff, he just puts a jack into his arm, and his eye goes a bit red, you know what I mean? It's TV budget.

It goes ba-dum, ba-dum, ba-dum, and then he's like, guys, it's time for me to plug in and one of my eyes to go a bit red. But I think for me, one of the major things that I dislike about Smallville is the way that these characters are portrayed. You can just do a Flash costume.

Just do like a real simple early days Flash costume. The closest one is Green Arrow because that's kind of the costumes that they do in these kinds of shows anyway. Rubbery sleeveless vest and a hood. No, you're right. And I think because, you know, this edict of no tights, sort of like I think the writers and the other producers were kind were kind of like we got to find the loopholes but this is really as that they they would have had to be pitch this stuff in the room and go like well he's just wearing pants and a

shirt so he's just you know yeah he's the colors are thematic to his character but it's not a costume it's just it's just it's it's uh just at the sunglasses. It's like army clothes, you know. Yeah, exactly. They really couldn't commit. And that is a huge problem with this kind of thing. But it was in that era where people were unwilling to commit. Yeah, absolutely. And so a big plot point of this is Impulse gets captured

and he's forced to run in a circle, which I'm like, that's a pretty good trap, Lex Luthor. I like that a lot. If he stands still, he gets electrocuted, doesn't he? Yes. Run his feet to head, soup to nuts. That's right. It's all fried up.

But so the rest of the team have to break in. And it's quite amusing to me because they're all in disguise or like moving really quickly or hoods up. But Clark's just like, I'm just going to stroll in. I'm just going to walk through. I'm just going to walk through. I'll wear my Smallville High Letterman's jacket. I'll wear my name tag from a part-time job at the supermarket. It's kind of crazy, right?

Because it happens, I think, even in the first episode of Smallville where Lex Luthor nearly figures it out. He's so close every week to figuring out that there's something wrong with Clark, like there's something not quite right with him. And this, it's just somebody's like, I saw Clark there. And his dad's like, well, he wasn't there. He was with me. And he's like, okay, guy I've never trusted.

I guess it wasn't Clark. They don't go out of their way to kind of hide his identity in a lot of this, do they? He doesn't even vibrate his face really fast so you can't see they? He doesn't even, like, vibrate his face really fast, so you can't see it. No, he doesn't. No. He doesn't even shoot heat vision through people's heads so they can't see him because they're dead now. That's right.

He doesn't do any of that. So many easy solutions. He stumbles right into that room of kryptonite. Who knew? He should have looked through the wall. I think they said it was lead-lined. He should have shot a laser through the wall. Through a garden, then through the wall,

and then he could see. He'd go, oh, no, can't go in there can i i say what i enjoyed about this though it has a genuinely unironic cool guys working walking away from an explosion without looking situation and that i think though i'd never seen this episode or maybe i have seen it completely forgotten i've seen that shot like a million times i think that's now used in like every small real kind of promo and like yeah fan edited trailer it definitely would have made it into the season seven title they're like thank god something with clark isn't flying oh my god pretty good stuff yeah so did this do anything for you in terms of like setting trends or yes i think you meant in terms of arousal. Sure.

Look, I think to this show's credit, it did a lot for superheroes on television in terms of like what you can do on a limited budget in terms of characters you can introduce. Cause it did get bolder with bringing in more and more people, you know what I mean? And different bizarre villains and all these and crystal palaces and whatever else. Do you know what I mean? So I don't want people to think that I'm just throwing all this in the bin.

I'm throwing most of it in the bin. I want people to think that. But you can't deny the influence of this show. I love it when superheroes and their civilian identities just wear matching colours all the time. Like Aquaman's always wearing an orange shirt. He's just like, yeah, I'm an autumn. I'm an autumn i'm an autumn man you're gonna believe this mason but i've got some uh smallville trivia oh i'm from uh smallville.fandom.com slash wiki it's from this specific

episode okay i'm not gonna believe the kind of facts that go up on uh smallville.fandom.com slash wiki here we go so justice means the moral principle. The episode's called Justice, by the way, for those who have forgotten, which is all of you. And Green Arrow's like, I don't know what I'm going to call this team, but it's going to be something with justice in it. Yeah, maybe the Justice Boys. Justice Bros. They are the Justice Bros, aren't they?

They really are. Justice means the moral principle of determining whether something is or is not. The title Justice refers to Oliver and the others getting justice for the inmates of Lex Luthor's 33.1 facility. That's hot stuff. Justice is also a reference to the Justice League of DC Comics. Green Arrow's team is an early version of the Justice League. Oliver suggests... This is great trivia.

Oliver suggests... I'm wrapped. I'm speechless with great trivia. Oliver suggests... I'm wrapped. I'm speechless with this trivia. Oliver suggests that the team's name should have the word justice in it. Justice Bros. Oliver says that the team will be getting a giant dose of justice once the Green Arrow and his team start to go global. Good trivia there.

Mostly around the word justice. But, you know, they've kind of... You couldn't come at that from any angle and say that they missed something. In terms of the word justice. You're absolutely right, yeah. Fun fact, justice sounds a bit like just us. Two separate words. Maybe that refers to the team. Maybe it does.

Speaking of the justice bros though, there was actually going to be a Justice League spin-off series as a result of this. So after this episode, the spin-off series in which Oliver led the Justice League made it into early development. The series was to be helmed by Stephen S. DeKnight. He wrote this episode.

That's right, he wrote and directed this episode and a bunch of that. He also worked on Buffy, Spartacus, Daredevil on Netflix, a bit of Jupiter's Legacy, but I think he left that project. So he's done quite a bit of that. He also worked on Buffy, Spartacus, Daredevil on Netflix, a bit of Jupiter's Legacy but I think he left that project. So he's done quite a bit of stuff and he's quoted as saying it was going to be basically Green Arrow, Cyborg, Flash and a couple of other DC characters living in Metropolis. The idea was that

Oliver Queen was basically giving refuge to young people with superpowers, kind of like Professor X, putting together this team and also trying to help out these people, just like he says in Justice about how he helped out Victor Stone and Bart and Arthur Curry and all that. So I was supposed to co-create and run it. So I'm doubly sad.

We're all really excited about it. You know, me and the other actors. We got along great. We really wanted to make this show and we thought it'd be really, really cool. He had a master plan for Brainiac showing up in the spinoff that I won't tell you what it is because you never know a spinoff might happen in the future. So the Brainiac would show up? No that I won't tell you what it is because you never know a spin-off might happen in the future. So the Brainiac would show up? No, I can't tell you.

It's a secret in case this show happens, which it won't. God, I wish I knew. I know, right? I wish I knew what the secret with Brainiac being involved in. Well, here's a secret from Brainiac because that's what they're going to do. So James Masters had played him in Smallville. That's right. And the idea was they were going to bring in different actresses

or actors from Buffy to fill in that role because Brainiac can take on many different forms. Mostly Buffy actors. Mostly Buffy actors, exactly. But if you thought, even for a second, that this was the last justice-themed episode of Smallville, you can get the fuck out of here. All right, I guess I will. Hit the bricks, Mason.

Kick fucking rocks. Because there was another episode. Guys, I've got to go. I've got to kick some rocks. There was a huge crossover episode in Absolute Justice, which, look, if people want us to cover at some point, let us know because we'll come back to it. What's that?

Justice League and the Justice Society of America coming together. Oh, that's right, yeah. We get a Black Canary, I think. That's right. We get other characters. We get other characters. Yeah. Yeah, so when you're done kicking fucking rocks, Mason,

maybe we can come back and talk about that one day. These are mostly fan-driven in terms of what people want us to make fun of. So, yeah, leave it below if you want. You want to see a video of us kicking rocks? We'll do it. Yeah, we'll do it. We'll absolutely do it. We'll do it to that sad Charlie Brown music.

So here's the thing. If you want to see these videos early and maybe you do they go up early at big sandwich.co along with a bunch of other bonus stuff that we do including movie commentaries isn't that bonus podcasts oh my goodness we do a comic book club there that's right there's also an early a day early uh ad free feed of our podcast the weekly planet which normally comes out monday which of course you can just listen to on regular mondays if you just want to do that. You know what I mean?

Yeah. A lot of people say, why would I pay $9 for that? And I'm like, good point. Some people are like, I don't want to do anything on Sunday. That includes listening to those dang podcasts. I'd rather kick rocks, quite frankly. Quite frankly, they say, yeah. Also, here's a hint towards what's in next week's episode.

What are we going to do, Mason? Ah. Good stuff. It might be Mortal Kombat. What are we going to do, Mason? Ah. Good stuff. It might be Mortal Kombat. I can't remember. Okay, right, right. I don't know. I'll bet in that case.

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It's up to you. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+.