The Weekly Planet - Spectre - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: October 7, 2021

Spectre was intended as the swan song (like Madeline Swan :D) for the Daniel Craig era of James Bond. Acting as a way to tie together Casino Royale, Quantum Of Solace and Skyfall it also manages to reintroduce the criminal organization of Spectre along with classic villain Blofeld. Unfortunately it doesn't all come together despite great action sequences, the biggest explosion in cinema history and that bit with the torture and the drills or whatever. Thanks for listening to our Caravan Of Garbage review!SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNVideo Edition ► https://youtu.be/5dwN32iXAJgHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Sometimes movies just don't work, you know? Sometimes all the elements of a movie are there. They might get don't work, you know? Sometimes all the elements of a movie are there. They might get a returning director, you know what I mean? Someone who's big and hot and huge and cool. You know, maybe the previous movie had done so well it was the biggest

movie of all time. And they bring back elements from some of the older movies, some of the quips, some of the gadgets, some of the villains even perhaps. And then all in all it's just like, this isn't very good, is it? Now, I mean, in theory, this idea checks out. But can you give me like an example, like a solid rock solid example of this happening?

Sure. Okay, let me do my intro. Because as always, Mason, every Tuesday, we do these Caravan of Garbage videos here where we look at movies or whatever from the past and we go, is this good? And often they're good. Often we'll go through a series and then you get to the last one and you're like, I think this is the worst one by quite a long way. I'm talking about Spectre, Mason.

Please leave a like if you could. We're wrapping up this particular series at the moment, aren't we? Are you involved in the production of Spectre or were you part of it? Chuck us a like. Do it now before you hear anything we have to say about the movie Spectre. how do you feel about this yeah you're absolutely right in the sense that again they're they're like okay we want we want

to we want to funnel this in the direction of like james bond antics we want to bring back some classic elements why they left it till the last one damage control was it was it course correction they're like people are going to want people are going to want the classic. They want the Bond cars. They want the henchmen, you know, the memorable henchmen. They want the gadgets. They want the girls. They want all this stuff.

Yeah. Too little, too late, I think. Yeah. I honestly think that Sam Mendes struck a really good balance with Skyfall. I know it's not your favorite, but I think it's a very fun throwback Bond adventure. It's silly and it's big. It's got a bit of the quips and this and that. There's a Komodo dragon.

Everybody saw that movie. What they did here, they waited a year for Sam Mendes to return because he was doing other things. In the meantime, they went to Christopher Nolan and went, you made The Dark Knight and we made The Dark Knight also. That's right. Would you like to come on board?

And he was, you know, apparently, you know, there was some talks there, but it ended up being Sam Mendes. And also Nolan's also mentioned that maybe he'd do it in like the reboot. You know what I mean? Sure. Okay. Yeah. But in a way he's also made it with Tenet. Yes.

That's his Bond movie. You know, and I guess to some degree he went, well, you know, I could do a Bond movie, but that's not enough for me. I need an additional. I need a couple of backwards boys running amok. Exactly. Espionage.

This dialogue is too audible. I don't want it to be audible. James Bond movies, the one downfall is the dialogue is too audible. You can hear everything all the time. But, you know, like there's a lot of stuff that's technically excellent. Like the intro is made to look like a one-er. It's like a handful of like interconnected shots,

you know, which is quite good. Even shot on like different locations, you know, obviously different times of the year and all that. And it all works as one thing.

Different times of the day. Probably. He goes out and goes from one room to the other and it's day and night. Yeah. You know,

on first note, he's gone rogue right away. Straight up. In a way, he's actually gone rogue before the start of the movie, which I think is and night. Yeah. You know, on first note, he's gone rogue right away. Straight up. In a way, he's actually gone rogue before the start of the movie, which I think is his record. Yeah, but then he goes rogue again. We'll talk about it towards the end. Okay.

But things like the building collapse and he lands on the little couch and that's a... Some real Mr Bean shenanigans as far as I'm concerned. He keeps coming back. The idea of this James Bond being Mr Bean comes around yet again. And that helicopter corkscrew stunt, you know, they did it for real. There's a few things in this that are kind of more of a nod to the Roger Moore era, like the skivvy for one.

Remember the corkscrew car? Yes. I wish they put in the slide whistle like they did in that stunt. He's wearing like a Baron Samedi costume, you know, with the skull mask and the top hat. Yeah, there's a few things in here that are very Roger Moore-esque. And then, of course, there's like the white tux, which is more like classic James Bond.

Roger Moore, I think, also wore that at some point, didn't he? But here's a question for you. People hate the song. Now, a lot of people, Mason, at the time, they were like, this Sam Smith character, we don't like this new song that they've put together for this movie. What's wrong with it? I quite like it.

It's fine, right? It's a bit of a downer, but I think that's, and it sort of points towards a melancholy finish, right? Even if Bond becomes triumphant at the end, maybe he's lost it all, et cetera. That being said, I know you would agree it is not a patch on Radiohead's Spectre, which is the song they submitted for this movie.

And I know you're a big fan of Radiohead. Well, famously, I don't have any opinions on Radiohead. Okay, but what do you think about this song? And in keeping with that theme, I didn't listen to it intentionally. It's good. Oh, my God, it's good. It's a great song. It's really good, is it?

Yeah, it's good. I'll never know. It's a real downer. I thought this song was a real downer. Radiohead hit the nail on the head here. Is that a common thing to, like to throw away a James Bond song? Because that's happened a few times in these particular films. Yeah, I don't know what the...

Maybe we just never heard about it prior to this. Yeah, I don't know what the procedure is, but I guess it's a sort of offers are sent out or maybe word gets around in the industry that they're looking for a new Bond song and various bands, people send in a submission. They send their demo tapes in to the record store producers. That's right.

Is that right? Yeah. This is also the James Bond movie where he's just not old anymore. Remember in the last one, they're like, you're so old, Bond. In this one, he's doing, remember he does a big jump and a roll? He jumps like a story and then just does a clean roll and he's on his feet and he's off it's just like fucking 50 remember the last movie they're like fucking ice down your knees bond you old piece of shit but this it's just i don't know what he's been

doing but he's fine i also enjoy how he lives like he's in a college dorm you know what i mean he just never got beyond that it just uh just a mattress on the floor and a Donnie Darko poster. Yeah. Yeah. But I think that also points to the character of James Bond, or this one in particular. He doesn't really care about the finer things. Or anything, really.

Or anything, or anyone. Proper lighting in his apartment. What's put in his blood. Do you reckon he'd be anti-vax? Let's not get into it. But he's okay with smart blood. How do you feel about smart blood? I'm not a fan of smart blood not for me but it's interesting because remember they already put a tracking device in his arm casino royale i imagine it's just they needed to replace it

because maybe he chewed it out like a wild animal yeah chew this out bond oh my god he is here's something that i am a fan of He's decanting his blood into a bucket. He's replacing it with the blood from that guy. He's something I am a big fan of, though, for this movie and just Bond in general. I love Bond taking a trip to the snow because he gets all these snow outfits, you know? Sure.

And that's, of course, where he meets Mr White's daughter, the returning Mr White. He's back to be like, there's a secret. We'll talk about it. But Madeline Swan. there's a secret. We'll talk about it. But Madeline Swan. There's a secret. It's called Lamericane. I mean, you could Google it, mate.

Yeah. Is that a man? Just look into it. Just Google it or maybe find an old Lonely Planet guidebook. It'll be in there, I think. You'll figure it out. Madeline Swan. Yeah, how do you feel?

I don't see any of that chemistry at all. Oh, you don't see any chemistry at all yeah yeah yeah like of the person to give it all up for for a second time to pack it all in yeah

nothing against not at all nothing against Leah Seydoux oh she's great the heir to the Seydoux fortune wow yeah why even act

just wait for that money to roll in imagine how many euro that would be so many euro so many euro hanging out with your harmers on your Seydoux

all the Seydoux's you can muster imagine but i just i don't i don't you know feel like maybe there'll be more in the new one which we haven't seen yeah that is true um how do you feel about the return of cars with a bunch of gadgets the last car was it was said that it had a bunch of gadgets right yeah didn't did it have machine guns in it or something? It had machine guns in it, yeah. So this is a modernised version of that. But at the same time, it's just embossed text tape just like over what different things do. And it's meant to be like...

This is MI6, man. Well, I was going to say, it's meant to be like, you know, it's meant to be a prototype, but they are going to hand it off to 009. Yeah. So why isn't it finished? Great question. Yeah. I just isn't it finished? Great question. Yeah.

I just think that kind of like a labelling would have worked better if this was the older vehicle. Yes. You know, I'm just not here for it. And something that I am here for though is the return of M on a little screen where she's just like, I need you to kill this man and then go to the funeral and just see what's up.

That's so helpful. Thanks. And if you get him in it, bang his wife. It's a direct order, Bond. Was that what she was like, go to the funeral and just see what's up? Is that what she meant? Because it's so like, she could have been like, secret organization, this guy's this and whatever and whatever.

Like, no. Maybe she was just a bit sus on the whole thing. She might have been. She's like, this is my last will and testament to you, Bond, the last thing I say before I die. I think there was something up with that guy. Just look into it. If there's like, this is my last will and testament to you, Bond, the last thing I say before I die. I think there was something up with that guy. Just look into it. If there's nothing, don't worry about it.

No worries if not. Okay, bye, Bond. I'm dead now. When did I record this? I don't know. Well, apparently you can light it up with Skyfall. She's wearing the same clothes and it's in the same location. Don't worry.

They figured it out, Mason. Sure. That's one thing you cannot criticise this film for. No, I can. Yeah, yeah, right. I can unjustly criticise anything and I do regularly. Well, I'm looking for you

to unjustly criticise this, Mason, because after many illegal wranglings they finally got back the rights to the organisation of Spectre.

Because Kevin McClory, the owner of the rights, he died. Yeah. Of? Spite, I think. Yeah, got him in the end. Gets us all though,

doesn't it? Yeah. So what I think's hilarious about this is it's like you know there was that unbelievable secret organization that nobody knew about well guess what there's an even more secret organization yeah on top of that one double won't recognize this secret organization you double don't know it exists now you couldn't believe that an organization like quantum could exist without somebody just being like, I'm in a secret organization. We have handshakes and secret meetings.

And we meet at the opera. We talk on earpieces that nobody even knows. Yeah. Do you think there could be another layer to this? Do you believe that? Well, they've proven it, haven't they? They certainly have. And with that, we get a few people joining the ranks of Spectre.

We get C, the hot priest. And he's obviously from Sherlock. He's also transparently evil, so much so that it's in the trailer where you see him scuffling with M. That's right. They put that in the trailer. Maybe that was just a standard disagreement in an office environment. It happens all the time.

Right. You're absolutely right. And also, but I mean, that's not Andrew Scott's fault. No, he's great. He just has a sinister hairline. It's not his fault. I also have a sinister ha's great. He just has a sinister hairline. It's not his fault. I also have a sinister hairline. I also have a sinister hairline.

Then we get Mr. Hinks. Which I feel is an attempt to give us a kind of Jaws-esque villain, but they were like, we can't give him metallic teeth. That would be too silly. So let's make him Robo Thumbs. But I think it's just metal thumbnails. I think it is. I think they're supposed to be sharp. But just make him Jaws. Just make him Robo Thumbs. But I think it's just metal thumbnails. I think it is. I think they're supposed to be sharp.

But like, just make him Jaws. Just make him Jaws. You brought back Blofeld. He can just be Jaws. I agree. It's weak. People would love it if they brought back Jaws, I think. I agree.

Or there were rumours that they were going to. And the other thing is, I think that, first of all, I don't think Dave Bautista would do this now. No. He's like well beyond just being like a very minor player. Yeah, a mute killer. Yeah, in a movie such as this. At the same time, you know, the chance to be in a Bond movie, why wouldn't you?

Apparently a big fan. So maybe he would have done it regardless. But he does like a silent neck snap, which I'm never a fan of. Weak. Poor. And when Bond and Madeline Swan are on the a fan of. Weak. Poor. Lame. And when Bond and Madeline Swan are on the train, they're having dinner,

his first move upon approaching them, because he wants to kill Bond, is to kick out the table between them. Shoot Bond in the back of the head. What are you doing? He wants a scuffle. And more importantly, I want a scuffle. Because I think that fight, which is also reminiscent of the one

that Connery had on a train from Russia with Love. With Red Grant, yeah. Yeah, I think that fight's pretty good. It's pretty good. It's quite good, and I'm a fan of that sequence in general. But, of course, the big main player, the big bad, he's back. Last time we saw him, he was being tilted into a smokestack by Roger Moore. That's right.

You didn't see his face. Nobody mentions his name because, once again, legally they weren't allowed to use him. He was just a bald man. That's right. And he did turn up unofficially in Never Say Never Again. That's true. But it turns out that Blofeld, he's been behind it the whole time. And not only that, he is the half-brother of James Bond.

And not only that, he was jealous of James Bond because his dad taught James Bond how to ski and he didn't like that, so he killed his parents. And then he decided to make a secret organisation. Then he was like, guess what, I'm not really Franz Oberhauser, you fool, did you not know that I am Oberdier Blofeld? Fuck his name, it's not his name I am Obadiah Blofeld? Or whatever the fuck his name is. And Bond's like, great.

Like that's such a... It's just I hate it when and I understand everybody wants to tie everything together in a neat little package but I just hate the idea of like all these completely disparate enemy forces I did them all.

That rope hitting your balls i was behind that was me yeah that reveal also felt like that my name is khan reveal from into darkness it's like you're only talking to the audience and i guess in a way all movies are talking to the audience you know what i mean sure in a way with the visual language of cinema and then he gives him he gives him some torture. He's like, I'm going to improve on the torture of my predecessor. Yeah. It's an electronic drill and it drills into your memories

and then you're not going to have any memories. And it's going to ruin your balance and it's going to do everything. And then immediately afterwards, once they escape, it's just very handy that immediately after your brains have been drilled, you can still move and fight like a man who hasn't had your brains drilled. Yeah. Well, not only that, he planned to wipe out James Bond's facial awareness. His facial recognition software would be offline.

But I remember when we covered this movie for our podcast, The Weekly Planet, where we talk movies and comics and TV shows, and it comes out every Monday. You had an interesting idea of what they actually could have done with that James Bond facial blindness thing. They could have turned him into the weird misogynist that he's always been in all the other movies. Exactly.

If he can't recognise any women, they're all the same to him. Yep. You know, I kind of thought that's where it was going. Like maybe Madeline Swan would survive at the end and be like, who are you? Yeah. Are you Eva Green? Are you somebody else?

Are you that girl who drowned in paint, oil or whatever? Are you Dominic Green? Yeah. Are you Eva Green? Are you somebody else? Are you that girl who drowned in paint, oil or whatever? Are you Dominic Green? Yeah. So I just think kind of nothing in the end. Do you know what I mean? And then they run away and there's the big explosion or whatever. The biggest ever on screen. And to its credit, it's very big.

It's a very big explosion. Pretty big. And I will not take it away from the explosion. How big it is. Has it been topped since, I wonder? Who cares? Probably an Inexpendables movie. Wow.

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Register today at sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. Also, I really wish, and I remember thinking this at the time, you know how he gives him a watch and he goes, this watch is just a watch, but be careful, the alarm is, it's a very loud bond. Nudge and a wink, because it's really an exploding watch bond. I would love it if you throw the

watch across the floor and then just a loud alarm goes off and that's it. Blofeld picks it up and he's like, how do I switch this? Is there a button or do I turn something? Turn the crown? How do I... How do you feel about Blofeld getting his Blofeld face?

I mean... I mean, it had to happen, didn't it? Why would he not get his Blofeld face? But it's good to know we saw the origin of the Blofeld getting his Blofeld face? I mean, it had to happen, didn't it? Why would he not get his Blofeld face? But it's good to know we saw the origin of the Blofeld face. That's great, isn't it? He got his Blofeld face right off, didn't he? I enjoy the fact that at the end of the movie... Oh, the finale, the big finish!

Just despite the fact that Bond literally has a license to kill, he's absolutely killed people for less. Yeah. He doesn't kill Blofeld because I guess... Why? He's aware that Blofeld is a main villain in a previous continuity and he might need to come back for sequels so yeah exactly what are they going to do invent a new memorable nemesis instead

very unlikely Hinks oh yeah Mr Robothumbs I don't think they're robo I think they're just metal I think they control him I think they're AI And one's real good and one's real bad. Oh, thumb wars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's exactly right. What I love about that finale in the old burnt-out MI6 building, it's an overly complicated setup that was clearly done in a rush. Oh, by the producers, you think?

No, no, I mean the villains involved. Because they're like, quickly, spray paint James Bond on the wall of dead agents. Just put an arrow on here. Just Xerox some faces of some people that he knows. Don't worry about Mr. Greed. We don't need him. Bond can fight and run and reason even after his brain

has been drilled. But Blofeld gets a mere whiff of an explosion to the face and the best he can do is just pop down to like Staples and get some photocopying done. And I also think it's is just pop down to like Staples and get some photocopying done. And I also think it's really strange how he's like, James Bond, I've put the love of your life, second love I guess, in this building somewhere and there's going to be an explosion. I'm going to set it off in three minutes. And James Bond's like, you're bluffing.

Why would he? Why would this be a bluff? Why would he be like, no, you're right, I didn't. Yeah, arrest me. Come on. And also, if I may. Is this about the big net? I mean, we'll get to the big net.

But if I may, were I the antagonist of this sort of movie, giving someone three minutes to escape your deadly trap is two minutes too long. I agree. I could have done that in three minutes. I mean, you know your way around a building. Just run until run around you hear someone yelling and then you're like cool and then you jump into that big net big net at the bottom maybe i missed it was there set up for the big net yeah all the construction workers they jump into the big net at the end of their shift okay yeah when they're building that building like they're fred flintstone sliding down a dinosaur

yeah no i'm serious that's like it's a living no i'm serious. And the net's like, it's a living. No, I'm serious though. Is the net mentioned or seen? It must be. Because I kind of watch this with one eye because it's very dull and long. Oh, yes. If you know what's up with the net, please let me. Maybe it's for like they're throwing stuff out of the building.

It's like the easiest way to like collect stuff and you throw it into a big net at the bottom. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. No, I don't know. I just don't know what's up with a big net. And anyway, and Blofeld's off down the Thames. Yeah.

Which is very reminiscent of the Pierce Brosnan one on the Thames. That's right. A thrilling boat chase up the Thames. Maybe don't go just straight up the Thames. Maybe fly. Maybe go away. So Bond, who's restricted himself to a boat, can't shoot it at you. But, I mean, good on him.

It's lucky that he can hit a moving helicopter from a moving speedboat with like one of the tiniest guns in the world. That is lucky. Do you also believe that this guy would retire under these circumstances for this woman that he doesn't really know or seem to like? Or remember, maybe.

I still think he might be scrambled. He did get drilled in the brain. So maybe, yeah. I don't know. I just don't believe that he would walk away at this point in time. Yeah. Maybe he got enough kills under his belt. Yeah.

Maybe that's the reason he didn't kill Blofeld is he's like, he's doing his monologue about how he'll get justice another way, Blofeld or whatever, but in his head he's like, oh, I killed 100 dudes. All right, I don't need to do any more. Check it off the bucket list. Also, I'm curious, do you think he can even kill anybody in England? Because he's MI6, he's not MI5.

Oh. Maybe he's not even allowed to hold a gun. What does license to kill mean, though? Good question. What was an M like at one point? License to kill doesn't mean that you can kill whoever you want. It's also about who you don't kill. For example, don't kill me.

Please don't. I know you're thinking, I can see it in your shark eyes. Don't kill me, Please don't. I know you're thinking I can see it in your shark eyes. Don't kill me, please. Oh, God. I feel like I don't think Licence to Kill is about who you don't kill. I think it's more about who you do kill, yeah? I don't know. I had to put my finger on it.

Otherwise, it's more of a license to sit about. That's right. A license to laser bounce. Anyway, do you know what it's time for? Can I give you some miscellaneous notes before we? If you could. Okay, cool. Anyway, do you know what it's time for?

Can I give you some miscellaneous notes before we... If you could. Okay, cool. I think it's rude that James Bond made Moneypenny go to his flat after hours. Yeah, that's rude. She's not getting paid for that. No. Just take whatever the effects. Just take them.

Just leave it. God. Yeah. She doesn't work for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like your secretary. I like there was a classic during the car chase. I think there's a classic bit of bystander comedy.

There's a little man in his little Fiat, and he's listening to the opera, and he doesn't know the action's happening behind him. That's some Roger Moore stuff. I'm enjoying that. Remember when you crash just a little bit, and he's like, phew, I've bloody got out of this one. Little does he know he's about to get his nose broken by an airbag. Bystander comedy.

I liked how Q got his little action sequence. But also, at the same time, I don't get when people get out their laptop on like public transport or whatever. Don't do it? Just don't do it. Use your phone. No, just chill out, you know? Oh, I mean, he was at work technically.

I guess that's probably true. At one point, Bond says to a porter on the train, would you press this for me? And I'm like, it's not a dry cleaners, mate. What are you doing? If I was that porter, I would have chucked it out a window. Yeah. Be like, sorry, we wrecked it.

Yeah. You will not get your money back. I have a license to just ignore people who are a prick to me. It's interesting to me that after the fight on the train, they just got to stay on the train. Yeah. But I like to think that maybe they got kicked off the train for starting fights and general mischief.

That's probably what it was. That is true. How many carriages did they tear through? Hey, all of them, I think. I've got a note here that says... Just end to end. Yeah. I've got a note here that says,

in my mind, the goofy guy who welcomes them to the Spectre compound and the goofy guy who officiates the poker game at Casino Royale, they're best friends. They have adventures together. Can we also throw in the goofy guy with the wig, the coconut shell wig from Quantum of Souls? Yeah, he's into it. Yeah, terrific.

Okay, they're the modern-day Three Stooges. Let's see. They made Bond and Blofeld Brothers like it would be thematically significant in some way instead of being the same twist they used in Austin Powers. Yeah. What do you, what, what? Yeah.

Come on. We also failed to mention that apparently a big part of them rebooting was because of the Austin Powers movies also. Yeah. They're like, they've made fun of us. They're making fun of us. Hey, hey. We're fun and cool.

But I mean, I mean, these movies, it's harder to make fun of them because they're not as interesting. Or this one in particular. Yeah, definitely. You know what I did like? It's fine and cool. But I mean, these movies, it's harder to make fun of them because they're not as interesting. Or this one in particular. Yeah, definitely. You know what I did like? When C goes to kill M and he pulls the gun out of the drawer and the gun's empty, fun little callback to Xenorail. That's right.

I thought it was actually quite good. How did he know that? I mean, maybe it's just a common trick that psychopaths use. Maybe it's page one in the MI6 manual. Yeah. He should have read the manual. Yeah. He should be able to tell by the weight of the gun.

But again, see, he's a pencil push. He's another weight of a gun. Another weight of a gun. Everybody. Em's been in the field. Yeah. Em's been in the field maybe. Probably had a beautiful full head of hair that he was using at one point to seduce everybody.

That's right. Yeah. It was whittled away by bullets. And ropes. And ropes, yeah. That's all my notes I have. I love everything about that, Mason. You made some excellent points.

And allow me to drive us down, because I'm actually legally allowed to do this, because I do have a license to trivia. Oh, yeah, nice. I'm going to do that right now. Okay, here we go. For the final time. Actually, Pierce Brosnan spoke to Hitflix

at the time this movie was coming out, and he said, I was looking forward to it enormously. I thought it was too long. Did you like my Pierce Brosnan? It was really good, yeah. The story was kind of weak. It could have been condensed.

It kind of went on too long. It really did. It is neither fish nor fowl. It's neither Bond nor Bourne. Am I in a Bond movie? Not in a Bond movie. But Daniel, in the fourth go fourth go around has ownership of it, et cetera, et cetera.

Says a bunch of nice things about Daniel Craig and reckons that he's one of the best, et cetera. Come and see me in Mamma Mia. Here we go again. Here we go. What do you think about your beard?

It's Colonel Sanders beard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the eyes seen in the opening credits is actually Karen Gillan. She has expressed interest in playing a Bond villain so she could lick Daniel Craig's head, apparently.

Tremendous. Wait, just one eye? Apparently. Did she ask to be in it? How'd that work? Was she super famous then? Yeah, I mean, 2015. Oh, yeah, cool.

Guardians, Sherlock, I mean, Doctor Who, other things, definitely. Sure. Almost certainly. Monica Belushi, at age 51, became the oldest Bond woman at that point. She also auditioned for the role that Terry Hatcher got in I'm Gonna Take Over the World because I have all the newspapers. So there you go. Radiohead

something something, I put that in. It was rejected because it was too dark, which I wouldn't know because is that what Radiohead do? Are they a dark band? I'm just thinking about it and I don't actually want to know the answer. This guy is missing out on his birthright,

being a dude who knows about Radiohead, has opinions about Radiohead. Put a new thing out. I'm not sure what it is, but it's on PlayStation or something. PlayStation, is it? Yeah. Great. Is it the game of the month on PS Now or whatever? Yeah.

Or PS Plus? Yeah, yeah. Great. It's Tom York World. Tom York Galaxy. Just jumping around having sad adventures. That's what he's about, I imagine. So you tell me.

And last bit of trivia, and I think this is interesting because these are the titles that are left. Oh, as in the inflaming novels. Yeah, that haven't been used. We mentioned Risico, of course, in our video game adventure. The Property of a Lady. The Hildebrand Rarity.

And of course, most famously, 007 in New York. Nice. Can you do it with any... What would you do with it? I think Risico is vague enough they could use that. Sure, yeah. I think people might confuse it with Sicario though. Oh, yeah. And Sicario 2. Yeah could use that word. Sure, yeah. I think people might confuse it with Sicario, though. Oh, yeah.

And Sicario 2. Yeah. Something, something, something, something. Okay, how about this? 007. How about this? 007. Pick a New York.

007 goes to hell. Yeah. All right. He would go to hell, too, wouldn't he? Definitely. And he'd kill everyone there. Yeah. And then he'd rule over hell.

007 goes bananas. Anyways, we're up to our famous segment that we didn't really name, but it's about whether or not he goes rogue. Is it too late to name it this? Does he use his brogues to go rogue? I said, is it too late? Brogues being a shoe that he might wear. Does he wear a brogue?

He very rarely wears a brogue. But he has? I don't think Daniel Craig has. But has another version of James he wear a brogue? He very rarely wears a brogue. But he has? I don't think Daniel Craig has. But has another version of James Bond won a brogue? I can't confirm or deny. He'd be more of an Oxford man. Does he use his Oxfords to go rogue? Is that better?

Yes, James. He probably uses his Oxfords to go rogue. Okay. So we mentioned, up top, he's already gone rogue. Yeah, that's right. I mean, he's technically on the job, but he's gone rogue. But then later in the movie, he chooses yet again to go rogue yeah that's right i mean he's technically on the job but he's gone rogue but then later in the movie he chooses yet again to go rogue that's correct he steals the car and he goes rogue but do you think it still counts as going rogue when m comes around to him going

rogue is that m going rogue that's m also going rogue yeah wow yeah he's a bad influence it's like that friend at school is getting you to smoke cigarettes he got the other m to go rogue as well she's like i should stick around he's like nah coming up school who's getting you to smoke cigarettes. He got the other Em to go rogue as well. He's like, I should stick around. He's like, nah, come to a country house. We'll go rogue together. And the other aspect of it is, of course, does he retire? Yes.

But not before stealing a car, which was only a steering wheel. But then they made it back, didn't they? Yeah. It's nice that Q put all the guns back in. He even upgraded some of the stuff in the next movie. It's very nice, and we appreciate him. I like him as Q. You know, because Bond knows he's not actually retired, and he's going to have to shoot a bunch of guys in the next movie. He even upgraded some of the stuff in the next movie. It's very nice and we appreciate him. I like him as cute. You know, because Bond knows he's not actually retired and he's going to have to shoot a bunch of guys in the next movie. He knows that.

Yeah. So reportedly, the budget of this movie was $350 million but that was said to be exaggerated. It was probably closer to $245 million. I reckon it's probably closer to $350 million. Probably right. So yeah, despite this not being super successful,

it did have a pretty solid box office at $879 million. So when I said it wasn't super successful, it was super successful. But the producers were a bit disappointed because it wasn't received very well. And of course, it didn't make as much as Skyfall, which is obviously a better movie. And it just looks better because it doesn't have a brown haze over it for a lot of it.

You know what I mean? I do. I'm familiar with the colour brown. Exactly. Roger Deakins was not in on this one, it turns out. Anyways, this has been – we've made our way through these movies and we've played some terrific and not-so-terrific video games. We've had some laughs.

We've talked about one of our favourite James Bonds of all time, probably. And look, we've just had a really good time here. You mean David Niven? Yeah, that's right. He was mentioned in episode one. That's right. But look, if you do want to see these early,

and maybe you do, you can head over to bigsandwich.co where they always go up a day early. Ben and Lawrence get the edits done and they fly up there like they're wearing a couple of brogues. You could have said jetpack. You could have said jetpack. You could have said jetpack.

No. I'm going to say brogues again. I'm going to find a place for it, Mason. Sure. Okay. Yeah. But look, and you might be like, well, is it worth even signing up there? Because what's even out next week?

Well, here's a hint. I can't remember what it is for the extended. I don't know. All right. Nice. Is it? Maybe we'll do The Amazing Spider-Man. Maybe it's time.

We'll talk about it. Nice. But yeah, there's a bunch of other stuff there, including movie commentaries, including our podcast, The Weekly Planet, where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. That goes up there a day early because we're going to be talking about that new one

when it eventually comes out in Australia. And bonus podcast. It's officially an old one now, I think. Like it'll never be a new James Bond movie. That's true. And didn't they make that movie 110 years ago? Yeah. Yeah, good.

No time to bloody... Not enough time. I can't. Just say Brogues again. No time to Brogue? No time to Brogues again. He officially has no time to Brogue because I've not seen him in a Brogue.

We'll see. Anyways, I'm at MrSundayMovies on Twitter. I'm at WikipediaBrown on Twitter. Have a great time, everybody. Maybe he's wearing a Brogue in No Time to Die. He was wearing that corduroy suit. Sure. A Brogue would work for that. I wouldn at WikipediaBrown on Twitter. Have a great time, everybody. Maybe he's wearing a brogue in No Time to Die. He was wearing that corduroy suit. Sure.

A brogue would work for that. I wouldn't know. Okay. You think Tom York's ever worn a brogue? Who? Who are you talking

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