The Weekly Planet - Spider-Man (2002) - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: June 29, 2019

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popular. Some people hate them. We'll see how we fall on them. So what you're saying there is there's a breadth of opinion of these movies. Yes. So it'll be controversial for people who disagree with our opinion of these movies. But for those people who agree with our opinion of these movies it won't be controversial. That's right. Makes sense. Let's get going. The Raimi Spider-Man trilogy.

Yes. The first one. We're going to be doing all three every Tuesday. Do you remember the huge buzz leading up to Spider-Man 2002? Yes. It was electric. The air was electric. It was an electric buzz.

Yes, it was. But you know, like, because James Cameron Was going to do it For years And he was going to do it With DiCaprio And that didn't happen It didn't DiCaprio It didn't DiCaprio

They had to pull A bunch of the marketing Because the trailer Had the twin towers in it I remember that yeah It was a good trailer When the thing Was caught on the web

Were you hyped for this As a comic book boy Extremely hyped for this Yeah right I mean what had we had Before this Blade That was a good one

Spawn Not a good one. Spawn. Not a good one in retrospect. Loved it at the time. Don't know why. Pretty good one. Battlefield Earth? Yeah, absolutely. Pretty good one.

Yeah, pretty solid one. Yeah, it was actually the first movie ever when it did open. The buzz carried through. It was the first movie ever when it opened. Wow. You didn't let me finish, Mason. It was Spider-Man 2002, and then it was the movie where the train was coming at the audience and everybody ran away in fear.

It made $100 million in its first opening weekend. Was that a record? A broken record, yeah. Yeah, it was only- It's not a broken record. No. I mean, people banging on about how exciting it was were a bloody broken record. I tell you that much.

It was only a broken record, though, when Spider-Man 2 came out a couple of years after. It pioneered a bunch of stuff. The Marvel flipping pages. Oh, yeah. I mean, most comic book franchises have dropped that. I feel comic books pioneered that. Sure. But you mean in a different medium.

On screen. Oh, what about a video of somebody turning some pages of a comic book? Surely whoever did that. Who's done that? I don't know. People on YouTube. Name a reference. What, prior to 2002 on youtube how about

just a guy you go to somebody's website and they've built they like it's a geocities site and they're hosting their own video and it costs them hundreds of dollars every time somebody watches the video that guy he was a pioneer yeah i know you have opinions on the lead casting of toby mcguire yeah it wasn't initially going to be him. It went through like a few people. DiCaprio, I mentioned, James Franco, Wes Bentley, who you remember as the boy who was in love with the plastic bag. The weird one. No, I remember him as the bad guy from Ghost Rider.

That's how I remember him. Well, I remember him as the bad guy from The Hunger Games with the weird beard. Oh, very good. I remember him as somebody people constantly reference as looking like me. Hey, you look like that weird beard guy. Frankie Muniz, who was actually a child at the time.

That's true, yeah. But then he went straight from Malcolm in the Middle to racing Formula One cars, I think. Something like that, yeah. But you know what? He came to Tobey Maguire, and it's absolutely worth it for the opening sequence of what is clearly a man in his late 20s

chasing a school bus for some reason. You know? Yeah, to get his son. son yeah upon re-watching this movie this movie is one of the purest translations of comic book to movie i think i mean there's some elements like the web shooter well i think so but i think like in terms of colorful stylized and it's kind of simple kind of action-packed i think sam ramey the director has clearly gone okay in this scene how can we make this look exactly like the page from a comic book and i think it works swinging yeah and i think in a lot of cases especially visually it works really well yeah but i think maybe some other stuff not so much which i'm sure we'll talk about some stuff needs to stay on a comic book page. I completely agree. Like the Green Goblin.

You want to give him a weird motorcycle helmet. I had two other names here. Scott Speedman. Oh, yeah. Who we know from Underworld. The half-vampire, half-werewolf man. Correct. And Freddie Prinze Jr.

And Sam Raimi joked at the time he won't even be allowed to buy a ticket to see this film. Brutal. I wonder if he ever did. He probably didn't. We should tweet him and find out. Sam Raimi made sure. Oh, my goodness. He put his picture up didn't. We should tweet him and find out. Sam Raimi made sure. Oh my goodness.

He put his picture up. Do not sell tickets to this man. What I don't miss that movies have kind of- He probably got the lead from She's All That to buy him a ticket. No, that's probably true. Yeah, they probably did. Yeah, he went, she went on his shoulders and they walked in. Exactly.

We're the world's tallest woman. One ticket, please. What I don't miss are these super long credit scenes. No're good riddance to them i think yeah i think x-men probably held on to them for a while yeah too long and this one is very i mean this one you know it sets a tone because it's webs and it's dna and it's buildings and it but it's it's too long i mean and again a product of its time and these days if a movie started like this i think we'd be like get to the action get to the man running yeah after after the school bus you can appreciate the score i think we'll talk about it next week but the second one does it better because its credits are a recap of the first film yes and i believe it's uh alex ross okay so what do you think about toby mcguire as

spider-man he's too old he's too old mean, there's nothing wrong with his performance. And I think, I think if he started it, sorry, I think he does very well in his role as a man who just has to keep rolling with the punches because everybody he encounters doesn't like him for some reason. Like there's no, well, again, once, once he finally gets on the bus, surprise, he's not picking up his son. He's a high school student. No one wants to sit with him. Not even like the glasses held together with tape are the nerds. Yeah, that's right. Like for no reason, everyone hates him except for Harry Osborn. Who doesn't take the bus.

It makes me wonder what he did prior to this. Because he seems relatively socially adjusted. Well, he has friends in the comics. Yeah. Like he's a nerd and he gets bullied, but some people like him. He's got friends. Nobody likes him on the bus. Nobody likes him on the bus. Nobody likes him in the city.

Nobody likes him at the Daily Bugle. Like everybody introduces himself to us like, get out of my face. Stop wasting my time. It's funny though, because on set, people notoriously didn't like Tobey Maguire. There's an interview with Joe Manganiello, who's in this movie. He plays Flash Thompson. 26-year-old Flash Thompson. I looked it up. Yeah up yeah that's right yeah actually he's two or three years younger

than the teacher side note if you put up a photo of all the characters that go to the science fair situation you were like pick out the teacher i might be like is it the little bald guy but maybe i wouldn't you could be you could just you could cast that as anybody. Yeah. Make it a big tough guy. Make it the sports coach. Make it a very matronly female teacher or whatever. No, make it the little bald guy with the glasses. So there's an interview with Joe Manganiello a few years back where he talks about on set,

the crew offered him a couple hundred bucks to accidentally just clock Tobey Maguire in a fight. Wow. Yeah. Did he take the money no he didn't because he goes well i probably wouldn't have worked again if i had a broken spider-man's nose yeah right i delayed the filming like months but toby mcguire is also look i don't know anything about him personally but have you ever seen the movie uh spider-man yep earlier today spider-man 2 yes yeah if you've seen the movie molly's, which is based on a real-life story,

the Michael Cera character from that, who's a complete son of a bitch, is based on Tobey Maguire. Interesting. Yeah, maybe that was just a phase he was going through, but he was not a light man. But it's clearly made an impression on certain directors and screenwriters. Absolutely. At least he got ripped. He was kind of the first, not the first, but you know, that kind of transformation wasn't super common then.

Now it is. Yeah, for sure. You're getting Paul Rudd. You're getting him some abs. Don't even worry about it. But, yeah, back then it was unusual. Yeah. I mean, it was him and the actor playing Aunt May.

She also got ripped. Yes, she did. That's right. Yeah, exactly. But the reason he got the role was because there was, well, the studio wasn't really keen on him because they're like, yeah, he's a good actor, but can he do the action stuff? And there's like test footage and it'll be in the video, I'm sure. You're probably looking at it right now where he kind of proves that, yeah, he can kind of do that stuff, which he can,

but also you don't really need him to do it. Right, okay. In the sense that you could CGI everything or you could stuntman everything. He's a man in a mask. He can be anything. He can be anyone. And the times when he's not in a mask, he's in shadow or it's the back of his head or whatever like the bit where they fight when he fights in the alley with the mask off and it's raining that could be anybody yeah for sure

what do you think of mary jane watson look here's the thing i i think individually peter parker and mary jane i think kirsten dunst and toby mcguire do a fine job except in any scene where they're together and having any kind of emotional moment where it's just this which is weird because they were in a relationship like around the time of this those two actors right okay but i don't know it's just didn't translate look i think what doesn't translate and i spoke about it earlier i think a lot of visually visually a lot of stuff does a lot of the action sequences do but i think there's a certain amount of schmaltz relating to characters in relationships that works on the page, but I think it's dialogue that doesn't really translate to live action.

Like that bit where she's like, what did you tell Spider-Man about me? And he's like, well, when I looked into her eyes, I felt alive but also dead. And I felt excited but also not excited. And I felt happy but also sad. What's happening? I felt like it was the end of the universe. If someone said that to me, I'd be like, okay. There is a very good case, and I'm sure somebody's done this already,

but if they haven't, get on it. There's got to be a really easy way to recut this movie into Peter Parker is an insane stalker because there's so many. I just came across town to see you. I just took two buses and a cab. Did Harry know? Nah, I didn't tell him. Yeah, I'm on a solo mission here.

Speaking of Harry, I've got a quote here, a piece of trivia. James Franco joked about Tobey Maguire, said he had frog-like features on set. But off set, chiseled like a god. This created friction between the two actors, which led to an existing rivalry, which I think I'm sure is cool. Oh, it's still happening. I'm sure it's cooled by now.

You'd hope so, right? Yeah. It's quite funny. But I think he's not very good in this either. I think he's a good actor. Who is good in this? Willem Dafoe is good in this. Willem Dafoe is terrific in this.

He's chewing some scenery, but he's also... And he's doing the dual roles. Yeah. Sometimes in the same scene. Yes. He's let down by the goblin costume well yeah look in terms of costumes one thing i do like about this movie and again visual stuff that sam ramey clearly went we've got to get this right yes the the spider-man costume is yeah it's chef's

kiss it's so good i think their eyes could be a bit whiter that's fine but i think you like the raise webbing i mean recent recently there was a sort of a campaign to get the Sam Raimi Spider-Man costume in the Spider-Man PS4 game. And look, having rewatched this just now, I get it. It looks... Oh, it's so good. It's Jeff's kiss, you say?

Yeah, but I don't understand why that couldn't have been translated to the Green Goblin costume. I was watching some behind-the-scenes stuff and they talk about it. They're like, it's Abby Arad said specifically. Who is a long time Marvel producer. Spider-Man Ruiner.

He said something along the lines of, the green goblin is too cheesy in the comics. He's got his accent. Where's he from? I don't know. They actually did try, and this was released a few years back, like a motorized goblin face. Yeah, right.

And it looks terrific. Some might say Willem Dafoe has a motorized goblin face. I figured that's why they got him. Yeah, right. He's got a real goblin face face i think if you just painted him green you'd be like yeah that's a goblin yeah right so aviara had said that it's because it's too cheesy yeah but i mean i guess if you do go directly purple spandex rubber goblin mask yeah then yeah there is a scene though in this movie where and again speaking of corny and i think this will probably that i can we can talk about the costume there is a scene where spider-man goes up to rescue what he thinks is a woman like

a crying woman in a burning building yeah and it turns out to be the green goblin wearing an old lady shawl yes and making like stock lady screaming noises yeah and like that is corny but also i think that would be a perfect opportunity to transform that version of the goblin suit. Like, he's wearing rags and he's surrounded by fire. Yeah. Just, like, melt the suit. Oh, yeah. It's not a bad idea.

And, like, cover it in rags. And it's the comic book green goblin suit. There you go. And then he used the weird melty suit. It's a real rags to goblins story. Absolutely it is. That's why I love this movie. But I get it.

Like, I understand they wanted to make it realistic. And, like, it's military tech and they wanted to justify the universe. It's the same with the web shooters. Which are viscerally unpleasant to watch. Why are they? Having done a rewatch of this, just having him squeeze his wrists and squelch it out. You'd have to keep hydrated. Yeah.

Because that's a lot of web all the time, right? Yeah, right. Absolutely. Do you think his body's grown extra sacks? It would have to. Yeah. the time right absolutely do you think his body's grown extra sacks it would have to yeah what a thing that i didn't know is that oscorp's main rival quest aerospace is a real company in real life yeah but it's a it was a it's not a military company it's a company that made like remote

control cars and stuff and marvel bought them in the 80s and so they were like let's let's put them in as a fun little nod their goblin glider equivalent is way worse. I was going to say, if they were to have made an Iron Man movie in the 90s, as they had planned to with maybe Tom Cruise, that's what it would have looked like. Like that weird standy-uppy one-man submarine fridge situation. What I like is that the military are planning to go with Quest Aerospace over Oscorp. And they're like, look, we like the super suit and the formula

that gives us super strength. We're not entirely sure about this weird, incredibly unstable glider, which even the test pilot seems to be having a lot of trouble staying on. Yeah, right. Man, there's some wonky CGI in this. And there's some wonky compositing. There's a lot of very obvious green screen. Yes.

The bit where he's testing his powers, which I quite like where he's leaping across the rooftop. It's clearly like a weird composite shot. There's a bit where he throws one of the goblin bombs and the board members all turn to skeletons. They sure do. And yet Mary Jane and Harry Osborn, who are like two feet away, don't. Don't. And the other thing about Mary Jane is she doesn't really do much except just kind of scream.

And there's even a moment where willem defoe's like what do you think she's interested in you in your fall not for your bloody looks or your brains your dumb ass i think james franco and kista duds are about the same level of attractive like i don't look at those two and go why would she be with him yeah right i'm like yeah that makes sense yeah also the upset upside down kiss is weird i don't like it i know it's iconic and whatever but it's weird in retrospect i but it's weird and gross. In retrospect, that only met like twice. And she doesn't even know what he looks like.

That's true. Is the idea that she knows that it's Peter Parker all along? She's got a sense of it? I don't think that she does. She figures it out at the end. There's hints that she's figuring it out, but she doesn't until he takes his mask off in the second one. Yeah, right. She really doesn't know.

Uncle Ben's good. I like that actor. I love the discussion in the car. I think it's the best discussion they've done for that on film. I mean, they did on the other one that we've seen is The Amazing Spider-Man, and they didn't even dare to say with great power. It's like, listen, if you've got a responsibility,

then maybe you should use your responsibility to do the best thing that you could possibly do at that exact moment in time i'll be shot but this i buy the actor yeah i buy toby mcguire in that scene fx is the veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Will you rise with the sun to help change mental health care forever?

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around well i think that's sick dumb you would he's just yeah i know and obviously they just you know put the made him jump and then they put the boomerangs. Made him jump and then they moved him around. They put the boomerangs wherever he wasn't. But I mean, I think that was cool and it came directly out of the comic books. You wouldn't. There's some action sequences I like. I love the bit, the confrontation they have at the end where he punches the Green Goblin and he flies back and then he webs him back down and then kicks him in the head. And like pulling the building down, the wall down on him and all that kind of stuff is

all really good. And it also looks like peter parker is really injured like super injured and you don't really get that in any of the other movies he was that the crew the crew dropped the wall on him so like that bomb going off at his face and he's just torn up it's kind of a horrific kind of moment there's you can see that kind of sam ramey horror element i feel oh for sure yeah yeah there's there's that it feels like the cameras are sort of on a rubbery tripod yeah right like it's always bouncing back and forth i feel that's that's kind of like the sam ramey trademark definitely speaking of bloody cameras though they invented this new camera system for swinging through the city it's this system that could drop 50 stories very suddenly so they drop that between buildings and then you animate Spider-Man

kind of moving in and out. Oh, I see, right. Yeah, it's quite good. These are a little bit in this, but these are a lot more in there. What, they put it on a truck or something? No, they just hang it down between buildings. It's kind of like what they do at sports games, I guess, but more dangerous.

I wouldn't know anything about that. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to bring that up. Can I bring this up, though? The Green Goblin gets impaled on his balls at the end. I don't know why they chose to do that. It goes right into his balls. Does it? Oh, yeah.

Huh. Yeah. Not the gut, not the chest, not the neck, not the ear. Huh. Right on his balls. Yeah. I just don't think that would have killed him immediately. I think it would have...

Well, that's what he deserves, isn't it? Yeah. Well, yeah. A slow death from his balls. Quite frankly, yes. Yeah. There's a lot of... You mess with New York, you get the horns, baby.

Yeah, the horns and the balls. That's what all the New Yorkers on the bridge, they're aiming for his balls. The first thing that the goblin gets hit with doesn't make sense because he's entirely under the bridge when he gets hit with it. Oh, I see. He goes under and he's going to come out and then he gets hit in there with a pipe or a brick. I'm pretty sure that's some New York bridge dwellers. People who live under that bridge. Sure.

It's all part of New York. You mess with them, you mess with everybody. You get the horns. Yeah. I understand why they did it because this scene was done after 9-11. It was like, let's get some New York unity and stuff going on there. But yeah, there is tension in that scene where he has to catch Mary Jane and the cable car. It's a callback to the death of Gwen Stacy and whatever.

I think that scene's quite good. But that also contains maybe like the worst villain dialogue. It's the one where it's like, you know, it's tough. You shouldn't be a hero because if you're a hero, then maybe some lunatic in a green goblin suit will come up and present you with a sadistic problem that you have to solve. And here it is. He's just standing there going, uh-huh.

Yep. What is it? Maybe move. Maybe make a move. Maybe do something in advance here. Maybe plan something out. You know? Yeah.

We can't go past J.K. Simmons, though, obviously. No, absolutely not. Just quickly, there's some standout casting in this, including him. Some names that have become big names. Well, J.K. Simmons, he was a known actor, but this made him huge. that have become big names uh well jk simmons who's he was a fact it was a known actor but yeah made him huge uh elizabeth banks is in this she's betty brand yeah joe manganella who we mentioned and octavia spencer who's at the wrestling match being like you sure

you want to get beat up in this wrestling match and he's like yeah i want to make it oh yeah i want to make a gay slur at this wrestler so yeah please let me my favorite part of that sequence is none first of all he gets they put him in a cage match yeah and he's like what i didn't sign up for a cage match this is your ideal situation you're gonna do fine in a cage match if anything having an open air thing would make it more difficult for you to win this yeah secondly what i liked about it is when bruce campbell introduces him as the amazing spider-man yes the the ring girls immediately start mocking him and what i was like i'm gonna take your eight legs and beat you to death with

them or whatever. And I'm like, that's good improv. Like, you've just learned his Spider-Man and you're already riffing, which I respect. Yeah, I'm not sure what kind of environment it is where you do a real wrestling match with a lunatic. Like, I'm not sure. And why wrestling? That's true.

Why not some kind of MMA or boxing? It's just... Well, MMA wasn't big at that point. I guess it wasn't. Well, neither was weird improv wrestling matches. All right, fine. But then again, Mysterio was running it, I guess. Yeah, maybe.

Because that was the plan all along. That's true. We get a lot of little nods to other properties that maybe they were going to bring up later. The star photographer at the Daily Bugle is Eddie. Yeah, they mentioned that. Which might have been Eddie Brock. Yeah.

Peter Parker loses his job with Dr. Connors, I think, which is mentioned in We Never Seen, who's the lizard. Which shows up in two, two and three. Yeah. There's a few things like that, yeah. And even things like they'll reference other comic book properties where like, you're not Superman, you know. I want to talk about J.K. Simmons.

That's the best. I feel that remains. In terms of surprises, I think maybe Chris Evans edged him out in terms of like, well, I wasn't sure I was going to like this character, but this is a great depiction of this character on screen. But in terms of just absolutely 100% nailed the conversion from comic book to movie, I think J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson is perfect and will never be bettered.

I would like to see another Jameson in the Spider-Man movies. I don't know who's going to take that role. But his dialogue's great. The look is dead on. The look is dead on, yeah. It's amazing. It feels like he's just throwing out real insults on set. It feels like he's not acting. He's just screaming at on set. Yes, right. It feels like he's not acting.

He's just screaming at everybody. Yeah, it's like jazz. It's exactly like jazz. That's what I was going to say. He's great at screaming at people. He's throwing out insults. There's a bit where he throws a cigar out the window and then it comes back up. Yes.

Like the Green Goblin takes the time to throw it back onto his desk before he blows up his office. What I find really interesting about that character as well, like he's a dog of a bloke. But when the Green Goblinlins got him and is like, who's taken the photographs? Is it the boy right next to him? He doesn't rat him out. Yeah, right. Which is just crazy to me,

which means there's some kind of human being inside that guy. That's the journalistic integrity you just don't see anymore, you know? I agree. Is that everything? Look, special special shout outs to all the background extras oh my god there's one thank you i was gonna because like having seen it a couple of times i was always focused on the main action the foreground the foreground obviously but i think have you know if when you have time to watch it a couple more times i'm like there's

some weird stuff happening back here yes from again from the very very old high school classmates yep at one point there's a in the crime fighting montage the first one where spider-man's like i'm really going to dedicate myself to crime fighting i love it and he busts up a whole bunch of bank robbers and whatever he webs up two bank robbers one of which is a woman wearing a midriff top which i just that's very that's very 2002 i'm like she, look, we should rob this bank, but I'm going to look like Kim Possible while I do it. My favourite one is during the bit where Spider-Man beats up Flash Thompson. There's a guy standing behind Mary Jane Watson and he's got glasses and curly hair.

And just the expressions on his face. There's one moment he's just like, what's happening? And the next moment they cut back to him and he's clapping because the fight went well. And then they cut back to him again and he's just like, what's happening? And the next moment they cut back to him and he's clapping because the fight went well. And then they cut back to him again. He's just like, what's happening? And then they cut back again and he's just waving his arms around like, I don't understand what's going on.

That's incredible. It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. The woman in the, when the Green Goblin attacks the city square, there's a sort of ethnic stereotypes. And there's also that woman who goes, Spider-Man's here. It'sman there he is i see him yeah it's pretty good uh in the in the fight between flash and peter parker yeah when spider-man grown men yes fighting in a school

before the police arrive what i also enjoyed is there's a moment where you see time slow down yeah because he's you know spider-Man's reflexes are so good. And you do see one boy shooting a spitball at another boy. And I'm like, man, nostalgia. Yeah, man, they took this from Fight Club, didn't they? They really did, yes. And I just want to give special mention to the bit where he catches the tray of food.

Yep. That's not CGI. They did it for real with sticky stuff on the bottom of each object it was 156 takes oh my goodness so there you go well no wonder look i don't want to lay any blame anywhere but i think if you like why does toby why did toby mcguire have a bad attitude in this movie i think he could probably lay the blame on the fact that he had to wave a tray around while food landed on it 156 times before they let him leave that day so you know fair point anyway i'd love to know what people actually think of this movie now i think look it's obviously dated uh-huh it's 18 years old or whatever it at this point 17

years old but there's a lot of good stuff in here and a lot of stuff that would go on to be better stuff as the years go on i don'tacy Gray. Like Macy Gray, exactly. It's not the best Spider-Man movie. It's certainly not the worst one. Absolutely not. Which we'll get to. But there's a lot of pioneering stuff here, which I think, you know, we wouldn't be where we were today, as in me and you, Mason, talking about this movie if we hadn't seen this movie

and then do this conversation. This conversation would have a lot less content in it, I imagine. I'd imagine so. It's weird that they went straight to Spider-Man 2, we'd say. That would be the end. Yeah. Any thoughts? We'd love to hear them.

Next week, we'll be back for Spider-Man 2. But of course, if there's anything you want us to talk about for Caravan of Garbage, it can be a video game, a movie, a comic book, a TV show, we'll do it, won't we? Yeah, absolutely, we will. Also, we have a podcast called The Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. We've got an episode coming up on Spider-Man. He's in Europe.

Spider-Man European Vacation. That's right, yeah. I'm at MrSundayMovies on Twitter. I'm at WikipediaBrown on Twitter. I thought you'd hate it more, this movie. Look, I never really hated it. I think the sequels, there's more to love and hate in the sequels, I think. Then we'll come back to it.

Yeah, we will. Goodbye. There's more to love and hate in the sequels, I think Then we'll come back to it Yeah, we will Goodbye And they say that a hero can save us I'm not gonna stand here and wait Please don't copyright strike this I'll hold on to the wings of their egos Watch as they all fly away Hey, hey

They're watching us, watching us, watching us, watching us, we all fly away. I was under the impression that song kicked into gear immediately during the credits. No, not true. That's the end. We learned something. Grab that jam, you guys. We'll see you next week. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting

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