The Weekly Planet - Spider-Man V Mysterio 1994 - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: January 29, 2019

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This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Welcome back to Caravan of Garbage. Now, because Mysterio is making his appearance in a live-action man... Is he hero? Is he villain? Is he villain pretending to be hero? It's that one. Yes. That's the third one.

And that's the episode of Spider-Man 1994 to 1998 animated that we're checking out this week. Isn't that amazing that they predicted the amount of seasons it would run in the title, huh? This is going from 1994 to probably 98, we reckon. Actually, I've got an interesting fact at the end about why it got cancelled. Oh, interesting. I think people will think it's typical. Okay. For being Spider-Man.

I feel this series, which I don't have that many memories of, but I think it's very much influenced by both X-Men and Batman the Animated Series because they both came out in 92, I think. So they've had a couple of years to work on a Spider-Man series. And the title sequence is very X-Men. It definitely is. But it's very dark and there's some screeching rock music. Spider-Man, Spider-Man, radioactive Spider-Man. music well they claim he has both he's both a

radioactive spider-man and he has radioactive spider blood neither of which is true but uh it's not the point though no it's not the point but it's a lot the intro is just a lot of him like just battling endless waves of villains in the dark kind of thing you know but you can start and you can definitely see the the influences of the batman animated series like throughout this throughout the show as well yeah but this particular episode is called the menace of mysterio menace of mysterio uh this it's based off of the first appearance of mysterio in the comics in the 60s is he hero is he villain is he villain pretend it's the third one it's the third one exactly yeah. It's actually executive produced by both Stan Lee and Avi Arad. Oh, Avi Arad.

He's had his mitts on this for a very long time, the Spider-Man property. He's the longtime Spider-Man producer, is that right? He's still doing it. Good for him. Whether or not people want that, they don't. He's still doing it. Even Homecoming and Far From Home? Yeah, he's got less of a hands-on role than he has previously.

Yeah, uh-huh. Because the Spider-Man properties are getting better. Oh. Yeah. I mean, because it dipped, obviously, in the Amazing Spider-Man era. That was kind of his big kind of,

you know, that and the Raimi ones. Yeah, right. We've come out of that. You're solely making him to blame. You're making him the scapegoat. He's a huge part of it. All right.

Yeah. I'm not saying you're wrong. I don't know. So it starts with a man sneaking into a museum to steal some Egyptian things, isn't he? Yeah. Who is this mysterious person? Mysterio.

We're thinking. Yes, but he's dressed as a Spider-Man. Oh, right. Okay. The Spider-Man. Oh, wait. We're maintaining some suspense here. We're maintaining suspense.

Well, it's Mysterio, isn't it? Yeah, that's right. Also, the episode's called The Menace of Mysterio. So if you somehow think he's going to be a hero, I don't know. I don't know what bloody brain track you're on, mate. That's a good point. You've gone off the bloody rails, I tell you what.

Yeah. So this version, let's say it's Spider-Man. He's webbing up guards. He's beating them up. What's Spider-Man doing beating up guards? That's what everyone's saying. Oh, my God. But what does come up later, but it should come up earlier in this episode,

is everybody just assumes that it's Spider-Man. No one's like, well, anyone can put on a spider-man costume right because anybody can that's true yeah uh but then we get peter parker it's like a pair of jeans it's like a pair it's a democratizing uniform you know anybody can wear that uniform that's right wasn't that what the spider-verse movie is about as well anybody could be spider-man i mean you gotta have a certain like a base level set of abilities yeah sure suction sure. Suction cups. Suction cups. Which is why we get into this. And then Peter gets woken up the next day by MJ.

She's doing gymnastics on the phone. And she's like, hey, what's going on? You've got to have pretty good balance if you're going to do gymnastics on a phone. Let me tell you. That's very good. She's on the phone. That's good. That's very good.

What do you think of Peter Parker's pajamas? 90s, nighttime pajamas. I love all his outfits. I love... Because they've clearly gone... You can't wear an argyle vest and glasses like a 60s nerd. So let's give him a tucked in gigantic polo shirt into his slacks. Like a cool 90s kid, you know?

Yeah, exactly. Like someone from a Levi's jeans commercial. Yeah. So she wants them to get together so she can learn some studying stuff off him. But then she's also like... Kissing studies. And then some kissing. That'll be followed by some light kissing.

That's implied. That's on the syllabus, sure. But then on the news, we see the footage of Spider-Man who's been robbing this museum. Taking no pains to hide it, is he? He's just waving at the camera. Yeah. The other thing is the footage is exactly the same as what we saw as the audience.

I hate that when you say that in movies. There's quick cuts and pans, yeah. There's a close-up on the bad guys. He says he's lying in the security footage. That camera doesn't move. How'd you do that? Did the security guy edit it for clarity? He must have.

In the booth, maybe? Yeah, he's got hobbies. He's not just a security guard. Look, we got robbed, but it wasn't very exciting, so I thought I'd add some star wipes. So J. Jonah Jameson is covering the event at the museum. He's doing some on-camera reporting in this, isn't he? Yeah, right.

He's a man of all mediums. Well, there are two mediums available. Exactly. But look, he's going to go hands-on if he wants to put the boot into Spider-Man, obviously, because he hates him inexplicably for some reason. Why does he hate him again? It's not important.

He just thinks he's a menace to the city and he's really a criminal or whatever. But he's secretly totes jelly, is that the... He might be totes jelly. Yeah, it depends on version to version. Most versions eventually come around to him. Like if it goes for long enough, they eventually become friends. All Spider-Man has to do is save his children from certain death or whatever. One of them's a werewolf as well.

So that's true. That's gone above and beyond if you're saving a werewolf. Saving from certain silver bullets. That's right. Yeah. Aunt May's also, she doesn't care for this Spider-Man fella now either. She's like, don't rob that museum. I mean, he's sexy.

She doesn't say that. Wow. But she's thinking it. She's thinking it. Yeah. So lithe. So lithe. So Peter Parker investigates. He's walking around. He finds some web, yeah. So lithe. So lithe. So Peter Parker investigates.

He's walking around. He finds some webbing. Just wanders around. Just wanders. No one stops him. Just clings to some oils. But then a cop shows up and she's like, you're not allowed to touch anything.

You're just a reporter. And he's like, look, I'm just a reporter. But have you noticed this web doesn't dissolve? And Spider-Man's web always dissolves every time. She's like, who fucking cares? Maybe he's got new webs. I don't know. What do you know so much about his webs?

Is he some sort of web perv? So then we get an indoor tornado. Had you learned about that on Rotten.com? The premier and only website in the 90s? You learn all about his creepy webs, you perv? Is that website still going? Almost certainly. Yeah, look, if there's going to be an image of it, make it blurred, Ben.

Yeah. Yes. Then we get an indoor tornado. Yeah, look, if there's going to be an image of it, make it blurred, Ben. Yeah. Yes. Then we get an indoor tornado. Mysterio shows up and he's all, I'm better than Spider-Man. I've got all the powers that you've seen, but more powers. I look and speak exactly like a villain, but you're on board with me for some reason.

What do you think of this outfit? Sinister enough? I've used all the most sinister colors. What about this? My head's a basketball. What do you think of that? Oh that's right He's like one of those contact jugglers at the mall

They're like what can you do to stop Spider-Man? He's like how about this? And his head rolls off his body And down his arm and then across the other arm And the whole crowd are like ooh That's pretty handy in a bank robbery I guess If you're here to stop villains That's right It's pretty handy in a bank robbery, I guess, if you're here to stop villains.

That's right. It's pretty handy in a mugging. Right. Yeah. Then he makes a tornado and the roof explodes and he flies out. But it's not real, Mason. How does he do it? Holograms, it turns out.

Really convincing, very tightly packed hologram technology. Yeah. We'll get to that in a minute, but I feel like ultimately he should be thanking Spider-Man for giving him the the inspiration to do what he does. He's inventing some crazy stuff here. Yeah. I should have sold it to Steve Jobs.

Yes. Or Steve Wozniak. Whoever was the head of Apple in 1994. Whatever they were doing, yeah. I don't understand why though you'd turn up and be like listen, I'm a good guy.

The roof's caved in. Just kidding. Like what kind of villain what kind of hero is that you know what i mean yeah it doesn't make any sense so anyway you're gonna die just kidding you're gonna live forever which one's correct i'm mysterious i'm a hero so peter parker though realizes that his spider sense doesn't go off with these uh he's like oh it must be fake because my spider sense you know normally it does a thing but it didn't so he goes after him and they go to a mall and that's when fake spider-man appears but then disappears and then mysterio's like let's

have a fight because you ruined me i'm a good guy but but anyway but anyway i'm just gonna exposit a few clues to my identity. Here we go. That I don't understand because he goes, why don't you go to the side of this bridge? The bridge where you ruined me. And then from that, Spider-Man's able to go, oh, it's that guy I ruined at the bridge.

I mean, I ruined a bunch of dudes at a bridge, to be fair. But it's this guy. So anyway, Spider-Man's on the bridge and there's an explosion and he's like oh it's probably just a hologram turns out it's a real explosion

it's a bunch of rocks like a hero would do like a hero would do and he's knocked into the water the cops are circling the water and helicopters

being like well he must be dead because this helicopter must have been here immediately because we didn't see him come up at all

like he couldn't have immediately come up under the bridge but it turns out no he was underwater the whole time he made an airbag oh he did that's right out of webs yeah how did he have time to come up and get the air i don't know yeah was he continually coming up and scooping some air out for his little airbag why didn't he make like a little like a little web straw and he could have just back backstroked out of there under the water that's right frog kick on your back that'sstroked out of there under the water. That's right. Frog kick on your back.

That's right. Doggy paddle. Stay under the water. Reverse doggy paddle. So they can't find the body and Mysterio. So they will just assume he's dead. Mysterio's like, I've done it. I did it with this one weakness, a rock fall.

The greatest hero. Then Mary Jane Watson rings and she's like, hey, didn't we have a date? We were going to do some kissing practice. That's right. And you weren't there. And now it's over and you only get one chance. And he's like, ooh. Yeah and she's like, hey, didn't we have a date? We were going to do some kissing practice. That's right. And you weren't there and now it's over and you only get one chance. And he's like, ooh. Yeah, he's like. I wanted to do kissing practice.

So she's like, we're done forever. That doesn't really stick. Not in this episode at least. She comes around pretty quickly. Unlike Spider-Man's webs, it doesn't stick. That's very good, Mason. So anyway, this is when Spider-Man decides to give up being Spider-Man. Because not getting

in his kissing practice is the last straw exactly plus he has to give up being Spider-Man at least once a week as we all know

he has to get that uniform he has to throw it in the trash but just as he's given up that cop turns up and she's like

yeah I'm pretty sure Spider-Man's being framed and you're mates with Spider-Man you know all about his webs you creep so why don't you help me

and we'll figure out who this Mysterio guy is and what's really going on. And Spider-Man's like, I don't think so, but here's an extended flashback about my origin. And then we just get five minutes of the Spider-Man origin. And this is like episode five of the season. So did that not come up in the first episode, I wonder? I do not know.

Does it come up every episode? Is there an extended flashback to the death of his uncle every single episode mate i mean that's why it was cancelled it's very possible so anyway we get the origin and then i guess he realizes that he's um he's gonna he wants to be spider-man and then he was great power comes responsibility so then he remembers that oh that's right the guy from the bridge was a special effects guy who rigged a very dangerous explosion which crashed a helicopter and nearly killed people, but I, Spider-Man, caught it. And his name was Quentin Beck, and he went to jail. Quentin went into jail?

Quentin went into jail. Oh my god. All these things he was able to determine because Mysterio told him as such. Yeah, that's kind of the way it went. I guess he was planning on killing Spider-Man and then being like, well, I'll just kill him with some rocks and then it doesn't matter what I tell him.

You should have killed him with the rocks first. I agree. Look, I understand that there's a certain way to go if you're a villain. It's exposit and tell them your evil plan and then kill them. Mostly kill them first and then as they're dying, tell them your plan.

I would say kill them completely and then shout at their corpse. That's an even better idea. For safety. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So anyway, Jameson... Chop up the body, shout at the bits.

That's right. Jameson is in a limo and he's going to the studios because Spider-Man sends him a fax or someone sends him a car fax. What an era. So many mediums of technology in this episode. And so Spider-Man goes to this factory where some special effects are happening and he finds a Spider-Man suit. Well, that's exactly where Quentin Beck's factory,

his special effects company, was and remains. Just hanging out there. But there's the Spider-Man suction cup suit. Just hanging out there. There's holograms. There's a Mysterio, but you take the cloak off Mysterio and it's a lizard man. That's a werewolf. That's a werewolf, all right.

Yeah, but it's just kind of going, ah. It's not really moving. It's not his best illusion, is it? A werewolf robot man that goes, ah. That can't attack you, but yeah. So it's all animatronics and holograms and tricks of the mind and eye. Yes. And then Mysterio's like, well, I'm going to give you a test, a test of your spider wits.

So he puts him on a big spinning disc and spins him around. Spider-Man stays on the disc, allowing himself to be... You're a roulette ball now. Why does he stay on the disc and allow himself to be disorientated? It's a good question, isn't it? Is it just a good sport? I guess maybe he is, yeah. He's like, I want to see how this plays out.

This guy's a man with a fishbowl in his head. So, you know. Yeah, I'll play. Yeah, I'll play this. So then he fights a series of movie monsters. Better than the werewolf, I would say. Yeah, there's like a giant crocodile monster. There's like a T-Rex or whatever.

Then he falls down and he gets stuck in a web. He's stuck in a web. A web of his own making no web of somebody else's making mysterious the web of spider-man no just a web and then there's a big spider coming down to to him it's like i'm oh no he's in trouble now the spider becomes the fly did do you think why did nobody know that do you think spider-man gets stuck to regular spiders webs do you think you? Do you think he's like cleaning out one of Aunt May's, like the attic or something like that? And he's like, oh, cobwebs. Or do you think he's like, yeah, I'm loving this.

Actually, he's a web creep, isn't he? Yeah, he's a web creep. And this is obviously the point where I'm sure you thought as well, this shit is really expensive and really advanced. Also, did he put it together himself? This is one dude here. I mean, I know he used to do this previously, but this stuff, you could sell this stuff.

You could just be a special effects guy. Like, go back to doing that. Go back to it, yeah. You have a hologram the size of a very small square rock. Yes. A small cube, Mason, if you will, that projects an entire collapsing ceiling onto a ceiling that's like 40 feet away.

Yeah. Like, that is amazing. The technology is incredible. It's got so many of them, too. Again, we could be using them now. Like, we could be using them instead of an iPad. Yep. Hey, when's the movie playing?

I don't know. I'll just check my hologram of rocks falling on the roof. Let me check. Oh, it's at two o'clock. All right, great. So, J. Jonah Jameson gets trapped with a cop and they're getting lowered into some spiky spikes. Yeah.

There's trouble. Probably illusionary spikes, though. I think it's real spikes this time. Yeah. I can't tell what's real in this. I know. He truly is the master of illusion. Well, speaking of...

Is he a hero or a villain? So speaking of, though, master of illusions, he jumps down and there's a number of Mysterios up here in front of Spider-Man. And he does the old, which one is me? Can you decide? I mean, there's like five of us. You, a man who's super fast and super strong

and can shoot webs at a range from your hands. You couldn't possibly get all five of us. You're going to have to choose. And he does. And he gets it right. He just closes his eyes and he kicks Mysterio in the face

it's all over Spider-Man is cleared of all charges Mysterio goes back to jail J. Jonah Jameson has to has to

put up a headline that says Spider-Man's a real cool hero guy how embarrassing embarrassing for him yeah but he cried into his fax

machine car subtitle subheading and I'm a big turd byline J. Jonah Jameson How embarrassing for him Yeah But he cried into his fax machine car Subtitle Subheading And I'm a big turd Byline J. Jonah Jameson Must have been hard Must have been And then Mary Jane Watson calls

And she's like Okay Peter Parker I forgive you for standing me up Let's do some kissing alright Yeah alright And then he's pretty happy Well he is And also she learned a valuable lesson

Which is just study And you'll pass anyway. Yeah. I don't like that lesson. That's bad, isn't it? Yeah. And you know what? And get some kissing in if you can. Exactly, yeah.

You know what I mean? Or maybe just put all the notes in your graphing calculator. Yeah. You know? Didn't you have a friend who... So in Australia, this is... Will this stay in? Who knows?

Who knows? Graphics calculators, you bring them into exams. Everybody knows what they are. The TI-82.82 yeah but some people may not may not know all right they're still like 200 bucks yeah that's true it's a whole it's a whole thing but you have to clear the memory before you take it into an exam because you can have programs on there which can solve mathematical equations yeah didn't you have a friend that made a program that made it look like you wiped the memory of the calculator he built, he built the whole thing. And the teacher would be like, delete, delete. Okay, it's clear.

And then he'd just close the program and then... Wow. Yeah, I know. And he was also the friend who had the holographic ceiling rocks falling down in an exam. Yeah, my friend was Mysterio, the master of illusions. Anyway, what did you think of this episode? I didn't mind it, actually.

It's fine, yeah. It was pretty good. I'd seen this as well. I realised halfway through, I'm like, I saw this in the 90s. I hadn't mind it, actually. It's fine, yeah. It was pretty good. I'd seen this as well. I realised halfway through, I'm like, I saw this in the 90s. I was preparing to cringe because we watched some animation in the past that has not been great. And I feel like the opening title sequence is no good. But I thought it was a fun, playful version of Spider-Man.

He was quippy, but he wasn't too quippy. He had a great tucked in polo shirt that I liked. He did, didn't he? He really did, yeah. Now, did you know that after the season five finale, John Semper Jr. hoped that the Spider-Man, the animated series, would be picked up for another season? Who's John Semper Jr.?

Somebody involved in it. Okay, cool. This guy on the street, we asked. Yes. However, when executive producer Abby Arad and the head of Fox Kids, Margaret Loesch, got into an argument, Loesch had the series cancelled. So that's why it didn't exist anymore. Do we know what the argument was about?

No. So I guess it wasn't fully Abby Arad's fault. It takes two to tango, Mason, doesn't it? That's true. But it takes only one to cancel Spider-Man 1994 to 1998. Boy, is it. It's fine. I'd watch another one of these.

Me too. Yeah, but not now. I'm busy. There is also a 1960s version of this exact same storyline, apparently, from the 1960s cartoon. That's right. Maybe we'll do that next time. Maybe we will. Anyway, this has been Caravan of Garbage.

There's episodes of that here every week, every Tuesday. It might be a video game. It might be a TV show. It might be a movie. It might be a book. We've never done a book. And we never will. How does that translate into a visual medium?

That's true. Yeah. Also, there's videos here on Thursday and Sunday and we have a podcast called The Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows.

Yep. Also, there's a video version of this if you want to check it out. With pictures and all. Pictures. You want to see holographic rocks falling from a ceiling? No, because that sounds horrifying and scary. Maybe just stick to check it out. With pictures and all. Pictures. You want to see holographic rocks falling from a ceiling?

No, because that sounds horrifying and scary. Maybe just stick to this version then. Okay then. All right, guys. Recommend something for Caravan of Garbage and we're leaving. If you please. Yes. Grab that gem, you guys.

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on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret. The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+.