The Weekly Planet - Star Trek Generations - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: March 13, 2020

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Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates Picard brings back the long-held tradition of bringing an Enterprise captain out of retirement When they should just go and die, you know what I mean? Just go off somewhere, crawl under a house like a sick dog and die Or like a gantry that's collapsed Exactly Yeah, you're going to this movie hard straight away. Look.

Yes? First of all, probably not a good time to ask, but if you could leave this video a like, that'd be terrific. I mean, even if you or someone you love has been crushed under a gantry. Sure. I mean, look past that to us, your good friends on the internet, and give us a like. Agreed. I guess to be completely transparent about my fandom for Star Trek, I'm very much a casual fan.

I mean, I know more than your man on the street, I'd imagine. So you're going to point at me and go, I know more than you, obviously. No, I definitely don't. But in my group of friends, I'm easily the one that they would beat up for knowing too much about Star Trek. So as far as you, well, that's the thing. Maybe you and some of your friends know an equal amount about Star Trek, but none of you dare to say anything in that group

because you're all worried that if you say anything about the Enterprise, you'll get beaten up. Exactly. So, you know, I know your crews and your captains and your eras, and I've seen some of the movies and some of the series. Where are you on this? I've seen most of everything. You like the new one.

You like Discovery, right? Yeah, that's fine. But I'm not like a hardcore fan, so it doesn't matter to me. Because I know there's a lot of people who get caught up in the lore, and I know it's not historically accurate and all of those things to things that actually happened in that time period. But what I do enjoy about that are the characters. No, no, no.

There were genetically engineered super soldiers in the 90s. That's true. That's a real thing that happened. Like I like Michael Burnham. I really like Pike. I like the new Spock. Anyway, we're not talking about that because we're talking about... Okay, so what we're talking about is...

I don't know if you're... Look, I know enough about the Star Trek franchise to know all the even-numbered Star Treks are good and all the odd-numbered Star Treks are bad. If you count Galaxy Quest. Is that true? Apparently that fixes the kind of... Oh, I was going to say in the reboot continuity,

all the odd ones. Because it was Insurrection, then it was Nemesis, both of which are not loved. Fuck, particularly great. In between. Galaxy Quest. Fucking Galaxy Quest. But of course in the reboot continuity,

all the odd ones are good and the even ones are bad because the second one obviously was a remake of the... Yes. Anyway, look, we're doing seven, so it's a bad one. Yeah, right. So 1994, it was just off the back of the end of the final generation of captains the show was called yes the final time it's gonna be it's gonna be this the whole time the bald man he's he's gonna he'll be back but in a movie is that what it was that's what that's how it ended yeah yeah it ended with the enterprise flying off into space and Q, the omnipotent being, he floated out into camera frame

and he went, the bald man is gone but he'll be back later. About six months later for the movies. That's right. This aims to tie together the original crew with the next generation. Yes. Off the back of The Undiscovered Country, which was a movie that was apparently going to end with Kirk handing over the Enterprise to Picard.

But Gene Roddenberry stepped on that because he's like, no, there's like 80 years between these two. It's like there's no way that that's going to work. And he was opposed to teaming them up in any way, shape or form. But then he died. Luckily he died, yes. So they were able to pull this off. Oh, what a stroke of luck. To a mixed reception.

I think so, yeah. Yeah, my response at the time was certainly a bit lukewarm, if I remember correctly. Yeah. But in re-watching this, not bad, I think. It's all right. Okay, then. I think it's pretty lukewarm.

I think it's Jean-Luc Picard warm. Thank you, everybody. Have you written that? Did you write that down? I didn't, but I want everybody to. You should right now. We can put it on your tombstone. If everybody could hold their applause to the end of the video as well.

Chisel it on your tombstone. This felt to me like just a kind of longish episode. Yeah. Probably more of the next generation than anything else. I feel like there's less thought into this, though, in terms of plotting and motivations and what is anything in this and what's happening and why. Yeah, okay.

And not because it's confusing, like, this is a mile a minute. I can't keep up with this. But just because I don't understand the plans that are kind of unfolding here. Okay, well, Malcolm McDowell, he wants to get a space ribbon to a planet, and then he's, I assume, going to eat the space ribbon. And in eating the space ribbon, he's going to end up in a magical fantasy land where everything's cool, right? Which is where, if you recall captain kirk ends up yep because at the start of this movie they're launching the enterprise b the new enterprise and he's he's

not the captain anymore it's one of the guys from spin city he's been promoted to captain of the enterprise and he's a little bit tentative he's just fine in his feet man he's fine in his feet i did like there's some kind of bit of banter between some of the original cast members. So we've got Kirk and Scotty. You nearly said Spock. And Chekov. Refused to return. Apparently, Leonard Nimoy was asked to direct.

And he said these lines are also so generic that they could give it to anybody. So they did. They just gave them to other characters, other returning characters. So anyway, the ribbon shows up. Yep. And it's... Hello, it's me, the ribbon. Hello, it's me, the cosmic space ribbon.

Come with me to a lovely fantasy land. You're going to love it. But anyway, it's destroying ships and stuff. And then Kirk, he saves the day. But of course, he's blown out of the spaceship. Everybody assumes he's dead, but he's not. The magical fantasy land. That's right.

Exactly. Time has no meaning. Cut to the future slash the past. Holodeck situation. They're on a ship. They're having a jaunty... That felt very The Next Generation. Yeah.

Yeah, just a jaunty making one of your crew members walk the plank. I'm like, this is some D&D nerd stuff. This is really... Everybody's having a Ren Faire recreation of a pirate situation. Yeah, pretty fun. Yeah. The other thing about that scene is I went down this rabbit hole of how the holodeck works.

Yep. And apparently, according to my research, please yell at me if I'm wrong in the comments, but it's a combination of holograms and also physical recreations of things like water and substances you can touch and that. Yeah, yeah. Like they can make food from anything. It's the same situation.

And also there's some weird perspective stuff as well. And there's also treadmills in the ground. Of course there is, yeah. But there's like some... It's like the danger room from X-Men. Because there's a limited amount of actual space. But what it does, I think, is it can trick your perspective. So if somebody's standing next to you physically,

they can appear to be miles away. So it's like an unlimited... So it appears to be an unlimited so it's like an unlimited so it appears to be unlimited amount of space yeah right but also there's treadmills in the ground i bet if i ran fast enough i could hit a wall you give me you give me a few minutes in there i could hit every wall in that room don't even worry about it you could they'd really have to call in the occupational health and safety inspector you could do it i believe in you i would paint the walls in my own blood mason to prove a point.

And then they'd be like, a memo would be sent around, be like, we're removing all the holodecks from all the Starfleet ships. And you'd be like, I did that. I ruined everything for everyone. That's right. I'm the best. Couple of questions. Do you think Shatner's wig holds up?

You know, it didn't. I think it's fine. It's too thick at the front. You think so? Who's he falling there? Well, me, maybe. Okay, fair enough. Yeah. Look, it's a staple and. Okay, fair enough, yeah. Yeah.

Look, it's a staple and probably also stapled to his head. Nice. But of that character, he's kind of always maybe worn a wig. You've kind of never seen him without it, you know, even in the original series. Yeah, that's true, yeah. Maybe there's rumours that he was losing his hair like very, very early on in his life. I see. But hey, whatever, man. You gotta do what you gotta do.

So, you know what's one thing I do like about this movie? Okay. I like that the Nexus is basically the good place, for one. Oh, man. You've got to do what you've got to do. So, you know what's one thing I do like about this movie? Okay. I like that the Nexus is basically the good place, for one. Oh, yes. And also, the Shatner-Picard energy together is good. I think they bounce off each other well. I think they missed a trick in throwing him away for like 120 minutes in this movie. Right.

And then bringing him back. I know it's a next generation movie. I understand that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you're going to give him kind of the last go at this. Yeah. Maybe... Also, it's kind of... It's barely even a passing of the torch because it happens with no other crew members around yeah so picard could be like yeah kirk said i'm the best captain

and i'm he's wishing me luck you guys didn't say that but uh and he's dead now we're in the rift yeah yeah no i can understand that. Who do you prefer? I know it's a hot topic. It's widely debated. Don't make me choose. Do you like the cavalier attitude of Jean-Luc Picard? No, you've picked... Am I doing this right? No, he doesn't have that.

Do you like the button-down British-to-French nature of Shatner? Yes. Is that what you enjoy? It's apples and oranges, this guy. I like Picard. What about you? Well, if you're going to make me pick, then I'm going to this time. I like Picard. What about you? Well, if you're going to make me pick,

then I'm going to say Kirk. Okay, fair enough. But I think I like Patrick Stewart more than I like William Shatner. I think that's pretty widely... No, I'll give it there. Okay, right. Absolutely.

I will say this of Shatner, that dude can fucking swing an axe. Like, often you see swinging axes in movies and I'm like, that guy's never split a block of wood in his life. Right. But Shatner, he's probably got split a block of wood in his life. Right.

But Shatner, he's probably got a ranch where he's just splitting wood all day. Almost certainly, yeah. You know what one of my favourite moments of this is? What's that? When Jean-Luc Picard, that cavalier captain, that reckless man running about. You know what he's like, isn't he?

He's a renegade, yeah. He absolutely is. Where he figures out that Zoran's space wall, you know, that force field that he's got, and he sees that little rock hole, and he squeezes his way through like a dog too big for its dog door. And then he's just kind of wedged in it at one point, like just stuck and just waving his arms about.

That's commitment to acting. Exactly it is. Or he was really stuck. Oh, also maybe that. So the centrepiece of this movie, I would say, the thing that people will remember is the finale of this, which is a shitty metal gantry as you mentioned well see that's the thing it feels this this bit feels the most like an original series episode yeah which is just styrofoam rocks and people fist fighting no doubt a set or location that they've visited before

yeah right no doubt and it's just old men slowly clambering over rocks the entire time also and i know you mentioned it i don't get it because zoran's idea is to shoot a rocket into a space ribbon or a rocket into the sun yes that's the correct one that's gonna get him into the nexus because of the sun explosion fucking what is what does that even mean what is any of that he's just got a like just a loose rocket on the ground like that's his grand plan a metal gantry and just an exposed rocket well it was gonna work wasn't it apparently he figured it out if that button down kirk and that renegade picard hadn't put their nosy beaks in then they would have done it, wouldn't

he? But yeah, don't really think I thought about it at the time. But it seems like when you're in the Nexus. Yeah, time has no meaning or something. But also, everyone seems pretty aware that it's not real in there. Like immediately? Like immediately. You're like, oh yeah, this isn't. Because I

was just in an explosion. A big explosion happened. Like I pulled out into space explosion. A big explosion happened. Right. Like I pulled out into space. Yeah. And now I'm making bread or something. And now I'm hanging out with all my wife and my kids. Yeah. Who I know are dead or maybe never even really existed. But I guess this is fine.

I guess this is fine. You know what? Read a book. Don't destroy a sun to get the ribbon at you so you can bloody. Go into a weird fake reality yeah go into the best fake reality of them all a book or a holodeck which is essentially that's even better to be honest because you can leave yes whenever you want that's actually a really good point that i just made that i didn't realize it's just a holodeck maybe they shouldn't have started

the movie with the holodeck bit because then there wouldn't be a feasible alternative you know like damn i wish there was some sort of computer generated environment that i could live in forever and just spontaneously generate food and exciting adventures oh wait there is you know what it should have been what's that data pushes someone off the ship they actually fall break their neck on the holodeck and then they go if only there was some kind of space ribbon nexus that would have none of the flaws of an actual holodeck if only that's right yeah although beverly crusher was pretty upset that she got so wet so that's true you're pushing the water that's a real slow-mo fall wasn't it a couple of those in this movie isn't there for

some reason just slow enough so you can see that it's a stunt person i love it that's perfect filmmaking well done everybody on may 10th kingdom of the Planet of the Apes is coming to IMAX and theaters everywhere. What a wonderful day! This summer, one movie event will reign. It is our time. Apes hunt humans. That is wrong.

Bend for your king. Never. Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. Only in theaters May 10th. Tickets on sale now. Will you rise with the sun to help change mental health care forever? Join the Sunrise Challenge to raise funds for CAMH, the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health,

to support life-saving progress in mental health care. From May 27th to 31st, people across Canada will rise together and show those living with mental illness and addiction that they're not alone. Help CAMH build a future where no one is left behind. So, who will you rise for? Register today at sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. Anyway, I love that Kirk just dies.

He just tumbles off the gantry or whatever, and then he's like, oh my, and he's dead. And then... I didn't remember that being his final words. What do you think he should have been? Bury me with my wig. I reckon it should have been, he should have said like a really high number

and then be like, that's the number of women I've banged. Green-skinned women women blue-skinned women i didn't discriminate oh now i'm dead i love how also they just he just he doesn't take you back to his ship or anything or give him a like spock got an amazing funeral everybody knows that even my non-nerd friends who beat me up though that's an amazing funeral much parodied and much homaged but in this you just shovel pile of rocks on him right come on in many ways it's what he deserved that's not wrong so do you know though kirk's death scene was actually re-shot after preview audiences reacted

badly to the original version and they wanted a more heroic death how does he die in the original originally he died after being shot in the back. Oh. But these are like apples and oranges, I feel, right? Gantry shot in the back. If I could remember what he was doing when he fell off the gantry, it might seem more heroic. He was running across a gantry. Oh, that's right, he was.

Yes, he got the remote. Yeah. He had to stop the rocket. He had to stop the rocket. He had to stop the rocket. From shooting the sun or whatever, yeah. Did you know, and this kind of blows my mind, this was the first movie to have a website created to promote it really that's right it's still up to this very day no it's not i checked okay i know believe me i had a poke around

it's not like the space jam website which you can still visit not a joke you can visit that website also the thing about this movie is the way they kept costs down and it's kind of evident is a lot of it's done on the cheap in terms of recycling uniforms and equipment and even explosions. You know that warbird explosion? Yes. That's in like literally every movie from the 80s. It's true, yeah.

It's in this one again. But there's a pretty good Enterprise crash, one of the 17 times that that ship actually ends up crashing. But what I want you to tell the audience about, and mostly just me, this is for me. He's hoping I know whatever this is. Kirk's not really dead is he in this universe oh he isn't please explain what the situation is here last on-screen appearance yes so in the uh star trek cinematic universe the the original timeline yes captain kirk is dead however canonically he is not dead in a series of novels written by william shatner the actor who portrays captain kirk in what we call the shatner verse yes so

that's a series of so after the events of this william shatner who also of course wrote the tech war novels yeah everyone knows that of course he wrote one novel set i think six months before the events of generations do i guess set up his eventual return yeah in which spot comes to pay his respects right to kirk's grave and then notices like a like a transporter transporting the body away and he's like what devilry is this right we wouldn't say devilry he's like what technology that exists in this universe is this. I recognize it. Yeah. And then the next book is set after the events of this movie in which he's

resurrected by the Borg. And then. Did you get all the Borg stuff? No, they just bring him back. Yeah, I know. What's the point of being resurrected by the Borg if you don't get all the

cool stuff and they're buying a guy in the robot arm and stuff. Yeah, exactly. Our listeners didn't get that, but I gave you a weird look in between. Oh, yeah, right, right. Just to clarify. It was a very long, weird look. If I remember correctly, and there's no guarantee that I do,

the Borg bring him back in order to kill, I think, Picard. Like they want to assassinate Picard because they've had run-ins with Picard before, obviously. And they're like, this will be a covert way to do it. Really? Do you think so? That guy you definitely saw die? Yeah, that seems.

So what, he just walks up to him and he's like, he's like their version of the Terminator? Yeah. Is that the idea? No, he's just regular Captain Kirk. And he thinks he's going to kill Picard for them. Right. He's a loose cannon.

Or is he? I don't know. Or a pencil pusher. We don't know. And then there's the third one, which I don't know if a pencil pusher we don't know and then there's the third one which I don't know if I read but it's just The Further Adventures

I think they give him another ship and they're like go and be Captain Kirk again and he's like right on I'll do it yeah I'll try I'm so cool

am I younger than before? yep sure absolutely younger and sexier than ever yeah you got a ponytail now that's what you've always wanted

certainly he does and he's got some love interest in the books as well They're like, oh my god, are you the Captain Kirk? And he's like, yeah, but Robot Boner as well So Don't even worry about it

So I've got some trivia here What's this section called again? Hey, it's trivia What do we call it? It's trivia Hey, it's trivia Hot times, fast trivia That's right

Thomas Decker, who plays John Connor in the Sarah Connor Chronicles, plays one of the fictional children of Picard. Oh, hello, father. Hello, father. What do you think of this fictional universe? I don't like it. He didn't like it. He didn't like it.

It's true. I do like that they delve into his family in this, how he's the last in his lineage. That I enjoyed. I didn't completely hate this. Don't get me wrong. It's just quite boring for a lot of this movie and i know that's like a hallmark of star trek that's right i said it no it's not because i know star trek is supposed to be there's a

methodical nature to it and it's characters and it's and it's solving quandaries you know what i mean and things like that and i think this doesn't do the action all that well so it's just kind of like it's middle like on both accounts at one point also producers considered approaching marlon brando to play soren can you imagine how terribly that would have turned out spock's father what is oh sorry oh the malcolm and dale character yeah right i'll mention those fistfights oh my goodness good lord because he did the island of dr moreau around this time and ruined that movie by all accounts. Just a terrible bloke doing pretty mediocre acting, you know,

at that point in his life. While sitting in a lawn chair. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. So imagine that gantry showdown. Kirk Picard, you'll not stop me. I've got this remote and I'm sitting in this lawn chair. Oh, he's died by himself.

Oh, no. Oh, no. And by himself. Oh, no. Oh, no. And the other thing is, William Shatner, he's a horse rider from way back. You probably noticed that. He's a good... They're good-nosed horses. You know he is.

He actually used an old trick of wearing something unusual underneath his costume to keep the pants up. So, actually, the Starship captains, both of them, are wearing pantyhose.

Oh, there you go.ose oh there you go so there you go little handy hint out there if you're a horseman and you're thinking there's some horse stuff but how my pants keep falling down they kept falling down with that like doi oi oi sound sound effect and then my like dicky bow bib keeps flipping up in my face i'll never have a fine night at the opera like this. Yeah, so apparently no belts in the future, I guess. So look, all in all, I didn't... Whatever. What do you think?

I'm more... Look, I... It's a send-off. I mean, come on. No, it was not a great send-off. It was good. I have a more positive opinion of it now than I think I did back in the day because I think at the time I'm like,

oh my God, they're going to team up both the captains. This is going to be amazing. And it wasn't amazing. Imagine how many chicks are going to root your set. That's right, exactly. When you attend or whatever this goes on. Yeah, exactly, right? Yeah.

And that's the thing. Maybe also because I was let down because it was on the big screen and it felt kind of middling. But seeing it on a TV felt more like an episode of the tv series i'm fine with that you know that's fair enough okay i can't argue with any of those points that you've made just then to us and listeners and viewers you know what i mean i know what you mean i can't argue with any of that okay you can't argue with it look what do you guys think of this movie um you're allowed to like it i guess uh anyone's allowed to like anything it's a free country i can see the

world yeah i can't the whole thing not all things There's parts. Let's not get into it. But I give you licence to feel however you feel about this movie even if you're in a country that doesn't allow free speech. But I am curious though if you're a fan

of the original series and also Next Generation. How is this in terms of that? Yeah. Let us know that. Let us know your favourite Star Trek movie.

Maybe we'll watch another one. Yeah, absolutely. Maybe we'll watch another odd numbered one. Do you reckon we should go through the Next Generation films? Look, we've got a Patreon. We throw polls up all the time. Maybe I'll put it up there.

Absolutely. Do you want to make James watch Star Trek The Motion Picture? Oh, God. A movie that is even more boring than this movie that James definitely will hate. I'll put a poll up. Yeah, please. Which of the Shatnerverse books is your favourite? Should I reread the third one or read it for the first time?

I don't know. Who does though? Yeah. Also, of course, here's a hint towards what's coming next week. I don't know what it is again, Mason. I just, I just, I feel like I should be prepared for this and I never am. Hello, extended audio listeners. This is just for you.

That's right. We're watching William Shatner's Tech War where he was a guy in a big coat with big shoulders. That's right. He was like, it's the future and you've got to stop drugs or something. Watch out. Speaking of the future.

Yes. Of all the year 1983 where this movie is set, Westworld. That's what we're coming back to next week. Oh, that's right, yeah. There we go. Very exciting. Also, of course we have a podcast

called The Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows we talk a bit of Picard now and then a bit of Star Trek a bit of the news of the week though isn't it that's how we get into it

and then a topic yep I'm MrSundayMovies on Twitter I'm at WikipediaBrown on Twitter see you guys on the next Caravan of Garbage oh so I should point out Kirk

is more of a serial monogamist a lot of people he's got a reputation yeah yeah if you look at his dating history throughout the series, it's actually called Kirk Drift. People assume that he's a real space Lothario, but he's not really. I do not believe you.

That's true. I'm going to look into this. You should look into it. I'm going to ask everybody I know, all my friends. I'm going to take such a beating. You are going to, but it's going to be worth it. I believe so. Okay, grab that gem, you guys.

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