The Weekly Planet - Star Wars: Clone Wars (Vol 2) - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: January 30, 2020

We're back to finish Star Wars: Clone Wars from 2003 -2005 the original bridge between Attack Of The Clones and Revenge Of The Sith. Brought again to life by Genndy Tartakovsky this longer form series follows Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan Kenobi plus the kidnapping of Emperor Palpatine by General Grievous into the hours leading up to Episode 3. This is our Caravan Of Garbage review. Thanks for coming back, appreciate it.Extended Audio Edition ► https://youtu.be/14XP9TUk7ZkBuy Clone Wars on Amazon ► https://amzn.to/30YIL7iJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownTWP Itunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4TWP Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetTWP YouTube Channel ► https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4T-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies#StarWars #TheCloneWars #CloneWars Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. The Clone Wars, the animated series that started in 2008, it's come back big time to finish things off. But did you know the Clone Wars that started in 2003, the animated series, hand-drawn animation with some self-shading effects, don't get me wrong, there's stuff going on there, that also capped off the Clone Wars. We talked about part one in caravan of garbage again i just want

to emphasize up top because a lot of people seem to get upset by the title of this series this is a series that i do enjoy i think it's very good just just to get that out of the way all right all right but yeah this one clone wars volume two or season three whatever you want to call it it aims to tell a more singular story over the one hour because the first volume is very much like three minutes three minutes three minutes okay and they were released they were released at three minutes at a time right okay yeah because initially there would be commercials like toy commercials so that's why they kind of feel a little bit disjointed but how did you feel having this as one this one's one giant mcdonald's commercial that's right much better in my opinion yeah so how did you feel about this one's one giant McDonald's commercial. That's right. Much better in my opinion. Yeah.

So how did you feel about this one hour kind of plus long narrative? It is less frenetic. Yeah. But at the same time, what I've noticed about this, the one we watched this week is that. You gave it a like the same way that you would have given the previous video a like because you love giving likes to videos on YouTube. Yeah.

That's exactly the thing that I noticed. But also every frame of this show is like a hero frame like they every frame of this has like a heroic pose sure and then they'll lightning quick switch to another heroic pose yes it's like the secondary market for this show was auctioning off the animation cells yes you know you always know somebody and they're like i bought us i bought an animation cell from the Simpsons and it's a foot. But every one of these is just like a dramatic lightsaber swing or like Mace

Windu Mace Windu. Mace Windu. Just flying through a city on some sort of air speeder like cutting spaceships apart with a lightsaber. It's some spectacular action. Yeah, absolutely. As we mentioned in the last video, it is this kind of enhanced exaggerated version of the jedi and their adventures the whole idea behind

this story is based off the crawl from revenge of the sith because it leads right up to that because it mentions how coruscant is under attack and all the things that have been going on yeah it does end it in general grievous etc and so yeah right it ends specifically with them again just getting in their spaceships, going to war. That's right, exactly. And General Grievous. And General Grievous. Speaking of, though, it does pick up directly

after the end of the last one where Grievous is in a pitch battle with a bunch of Jedi. Then, of course, we cut to that Anakin Skywalker is being promoted to the rank of Jedi Knight. Oh, yeah. So this is an element that is not in the movies. No. He gets his Jedi Padawan braid cut off.

Yes, that's right. In this animated series. Did that happen again in the new Clone Wars? I think they skip over that. Oh, my goodness. That's a pivotal moment. Yeah, the new Clone Wars, I believe, starts with him. He's cool floppy mullet hair, I believe.

Yeah, right, right. Well, that's where the movie starts, at least. Maybe they get to it in flashback. But what I think they really nail about the character of Attic and Skywalker in this is he sucks. Like I think the clone wars, the clone wars, the newer one does a really good job of humanizing him and make him more charismatic and interesting and thoughtful. And,

you know, he seems like a nice person, but in this, they really, again, capture that episode to scale and they kind of again, capture that episode two scowl. And they kind of move away from that after he does get promoted. But even when they summon him to be promoted, he's just like,

Obi-Wan, you're not my real dad. What did you even call me for? And he's like, you're being promoted, you dumbass. Well, that's why we called you. Well, I refuse to apologize. You know, one thing they did move away from from the previous volume of this is the clone trooper action. There's almost, there's very little.

There is that sequence where you see a clone trooper take out a bunch of battle droids and he keeps picking up weapons and he's throwing weapons. Remember the bit that I'm talking about? Yeah, for sure. But yeah, I think there is more of a focus on the Jedi characters. Characters with faces. Characters with faces. Faces and motivations and names.

Yeah. As opposed to just being a bunch of dudes in white arm with slightly different coloured shoulders. And that's something they definitely elaborate on more to good effect in the other series. But what I also thought is interesting about this Anakin Skywalker character is... Besides that he sucks. Well, that's what I was going to say.

He does suck. Like, he's a bad dude, and they don't really make that much of an attempt to kind of redeem him. But he's obviously a bad dude. What are they doing? Do you remember the bit when Padme sneaks up on him and he holds a lightsaber to her throat? Do you remember the bit when he turns up and there's that giant monster and he just kills it? But again, that's the Star Wars universe.

You just kill the things that you see. Is he raw bugs at one point? Remember that? Like a monster? There's eaten raw bugs at one point. Remember that? Like a monster. There's some weird characterizations of this. Because I guess he grew up on Tatooine and food was scarce. So he's like, well, I better eat some bugs. But there's a lot of Obi-Wan being like, what are you doing, Anakin?

And there's a lot of, don't eat bugs. Well, provide him with some food then, Obi-Wan. I feel like Obi-Wan promoted him, him recommended it at least just to get rid of him and then they're like guess what you're a pair he's like oh fuck but i work alone you absolutely do not that's not how the jedi work it's never how it's worked there's always been a padawan system you know that obi-wan but you're right he's like don't kill that monster attican oh you've made a big mistake killing that monster attican but getting getting back to the Jedi trial and the cutting off of the rat tail, going into this, they didn't know what that looked like.

They were given the information that he has to go from this to this. So they're like, okay, so we've got to show the Jedi trials. And they don't actually end up showing it in full because they didn't really know what that was supposed to be. So wait, this was released prior to Revenge of the Sith? Yeah, like a few months prior, in March. And was released prior to Revenge of the Sith? Yeah, like a few months prior. And they hadn't seen Revenge of the Sith prior to that? I mean, I'm assuming they had access to all the information about it.

They had the visual dictionary. They had the visual dictionary. But also, if you look at the video game of Revenge of the Sith, which would have been made months in advance, all the information is in that game. So I think it was out there. And there was a bit of a looser grip on it in 2005. Okay, that explains all the quick time events in this animated series yeah but i like the way that

the jedi trial in this is handled like a surprise birthday we can go in there like surprise your braids cut off right even though of course in this his real trial is fighting a big monster and going into a cave and having a scary vision and then ignoring it. That's the real trial, isn't it? That's right, exactly. Well, I mean, many famous Jedi have done that, I guess. Yeah, that's right. I do find it interesting, though, the element of the story that he goes and he becomes the saviour of this native population.

They're very much akin to like a Native American population, but they also sound Italian. Have you noticed? I didn't notice that. They're all like, manja, manja. Eat of them bugs. You know what i mean yeah absolutely look all i'm saying is their alien language sounds an awful lot like and i guess also like italians they start off lithe and thin and cool and then they turn into horrible monsters from all the spaghetti that's exactly correct yes i think that element of the story was the most interesting to me i mean they mostly kind of sideline obi-an for the Anakin stuff.

But again, I'm not really that invested in him because I don't like him. Like at all. I find it interesting that the way he resolves that situation is he takes a dark turn and he crushes that guy from the Techno Union. Speaking of, have you seen that Techno Union video? No. We'll put in a clip. Okay then.

It's very funny. But yeah, I think the storyline to me, which is the most interesting, no, it's not the three seconds of the Wookiee planet that we get in this. Sure. It's the Coruscant invasion. Okay, sure. And the idea that the Emperor, was not the Emperor at this point, that Palpatine is manipulating this whole situation to get himself captured, to manipulate Anakin Skywalker and the Republic

and whatever, so to give himself more powers. And I thought that was something that maybe would have been good to see more of that in the movie, but I think this did a really good job of handling that and also highlighting some Jedi, which aren't your main people. I mean, you've got your Mace Windu and your Yoda and that, but Shaak Ti again plays a huge role in this. Again, we mentioned this last video, has multiple, multiple deaths

across multiple mediums until they finally decide what they want to do it. The unluckiest Jedi there is. Yeah, absolutely. I think you called it the Kenny of the universe, I think, in the last video. It also does like souped-up ability stuff like Yoda dragging down starships and pushing them away and things like that,

something that they sort of do in the movies. Well, they had Rey kind of grab a starship in the recent one, but that's more of a kind of a video game kind of thing. It kind of is, yeah. There's even a sequence in this one that's very much kind of platformy where you see anakin skywalker kind of like i'll do a series of flips a series of flips and lightsaber swipes kind of up a building and again this this particular clone wars universe does feel like it's been built for people with not a particularly long attention span. Us. Yes. Absolutely.

What am I doing in this room? I really enjoy when Grievous gets into Palpatine's office and he wrecks all the troopers and the guards because they're not force-powered. I'm sort of surprised that it wasn't Ian McDermott doing the voice of Palpatine because he's bang up for this sort of stuff. Absolutely he is. Well, Sam Witwer does it now if Ian McDermott doesn't come back to do it. Sam Witwer, who, of course, turns up in multiple Star Wars things, including The Force Unleashed.

But I also really enjoyed the moment where Chakti, as they're running from Grievous, she just quietly ties his cape to a train and then he just zooms off. There's some weird slapstick in this food. I feel like there was more than in the previous volume. There's a moment in which... There's time to breathe, Mason I guess there is time to breathe

There's a moment where C-3PO reveals his shiny new paint job With sexy music With sexy saxophone music Oh, I'm sorry, jizz music As they call it in the Star Wars universe Which is much sexier for obvious reasons That's right Yeah, absolutely

There's even the moment where there's a hammerhead I think they're called Ithorians How he blasts the room that Grievous is in, the corridor, to kind of get rid of him. Because they've got multiple bloody throats or whatever. That's why they're able to do it. And Palpatine's like, I heard. I'm like, that's a pretty, that's a decent joke in this.

There's like a little moment of levity, yeah. Okay, now I just want to point out that I saw the thousands of comments in the last video where I said, why don't you just crush General Gravis? Oh, you can't do that? Okay. Were there any comments about how I constantly call him Mace Window? Because I'm going to lean into it, if I'm honest with you. Clearly it's some sort of speech impediment,

and I'm just going to go with it. That's what he was killed from. All Jedi are named after the... The thing that befall them. The portal that they were hurled from to their death. So he's Mace Windu. Yeah, exactly. Emperor thrown down a Death Star shaft.

Yeah, I know. Anyways, I just want to acknowledge that I did see those comments and it does offer an explanation in this and I know it has in other mediums that he uses tactics of intimidation and speed to kind of throw the Jedi off so they can't ever get a really good line of sight on him

and they can't kind of get their composure to crush him. I see. And the reason Mace Windu is a... Now I'm doing it! get a really good line of sight on him and they can't kind of get their composure to crush him. I see. And the reason Mace Windu is a, now I'm doing it! And the reason Mace Windu is able to do it is because he's calm and he's not intimidated. So he can just do it. But at the same time...

His wallet says, very focused force user on it. But at the same time though, I just think that's total bullshit. And you could just crush him. And the way that people kind of justify it is also... You could hit him with a train, probably. You could hit him with a train.

Like, it's a dark side move if you crush somebody. Yeah, it's poor form. Yeah, and the reason Mace Windu can do it is because he kind of dabbles with the dark side. Like, his style of fighting is kind of very aggressive, which is unusual for a Jedi, but he's managed to walk that line without going over. He learned Terras Kasai at Cobra Kai.

That's right, exactly. But at the same time, I think if you had a room full of Jedi, you could easily just do enough force pushes and force crushes to even just bring the corridor around him and smoosh him in it. But again, people are saying that it's a dark side power. Yoda decapitates two clone troopers in Revenge of the Sith, and he's the best one. Like, he's the best one, and he does it.

And, look, I know that that's... He feels bad about it afterwards, maybe. Yeah, I know he does, but it's also like that's for defense. Well, so is this. Yeah, right? Because he's trying to kill you. You should be able to kill him. Do you know how General Grievous dies?

Obi-Wan shoots him with a gun. Is that not a dark side ability? Not even a Star Wars blast. It's just a regular gun. A regular old gun. He bought it at Walmart. All I'm saying is i acknowledge the explanation for why it's believed that you cannot kill him that way

but it doesn't make any sense the real reason i stand by the real reason is he still needed to be alive in three yes and they hadn't filled any of the backstory and they're just like just have him be in a few episodes of this it's fine that being said I think he's really well used in this I think he's great I think he's fun you see a little bit

of his training from Count Aduku Count Aduku that's right I also just want to mention that shoots him with a gun what's the difference is what I'm saying Mason

there's no difference there's no difference is that fine is it you can shoot someone with a gun that's okay Obi-Wan cuts a man's arm off in a bar. That's fine, is it?

That's fine. He leaves a man in a volcano. That's fine, is it? But you can't crush a droid that's trying to kill you? What's going on? Am I wrong? Oh, well, here's the thing. Am I yelling too much for this?

You're yelling a bit. And also, Obi-Wan owes Gravis some money. So that's why he doesn't do it. Credits. Yeah. Republic credits. That's right he doesn't do it. Credits. Yeah. Republic credits. That's right. Anyway, I'm done with that.

But look, a lot of people also say that, thanks a lot, Disney, for making this not canon anymore. It's not even on Disney+. It's not even Disney+. Yeah, you've ruined the legacy, et cetera, and so forth. Look, Disney have done a lot of things that I don't agree with about Star Wars. And some things that I like. I won't get into it.

But the thing is... And some non-Star Wars things you do agree with. That's right. Song of the South. Oh, God. But just to be clear, I do not agree with Song of the South. You can just edit this out. I won't, though.

Okay, good. I'll at least leave it in the extended audio edition. All right. But the thing is, George Lucas was the one that made this non-canon by introducing the next series. Oh, yeah, right. So, again, I think the idea was that this was a promotional tool and then he later wanted to flesh it out with a full-on series yeah right i think that was the idea behind it having not seen i've only seen selected episodes of the new clone

wars besides the characterization of anakin is it is it a massive it's wildly different yeah okay right absolutely again i haven't seen i've probably seen not that many more than you. The one thing in particular that's a huge difference is characterisation of the clone troopers. Yeah, right. You can tell them apart and they take their helmets off and stuff. Sweet. You know what I mean? And that's what it's all about, yeah.

Anyway, I just want to say, you know, it feels good to defend a billion dollar organisation from another billion dollar organisation which bought the first billion dollar organisation. For sure. You know what I mean? It just feels good to be on the right side of history. Absolutely. Yeah. As the owner of another billion dollar corporation, you can relate It just feels good to be on the right side of history. Absolutely. As the owner of another billion dollar corporation, you can relate to those guys.

You know it is, yeah. These microphones are half a billion dollars each, right? You better believe that. Okay, cool, yeah. I just want to also mention, I like to add this section to the video sometimes, which is like, hey, here's some things that we have to mention out of obligation

because if I don't, people will yell at us about it or whatever. Okay? Yeah. You mentioned the sexy C-3PO. I can't believe you didn't mention sexy C-3PO. Oh, we did. We did, though. We did, though.

Cop that. And the other thing is, yes, I saw Qui-Gon Jinn's giant fist-sized nose. I saw it, Mason. I saw it. The biggest nose ever committed to animation. Wow. Yeah. Did you see it?

I don't know if I did. But, I mean, you say that, but we've also seen the Star Wars holiday special with that weird Pink Floyd-esque animation. And Han Solo's got a massive honker in that. Is it the nose or the face though? I don't know. This whole head looks like a fist.

I don't know what's going on there. Yeah. Okay. You're probably right. Anyways, it feels really good to come back to this and also the support of people to be like, you should come back to this and finish talking about this series because I genuinely think that this is one of the best Star Wars things that's been created.

Has this changed your mind on that? No. Look, I think it's fine. Okay, fair enough. Did you see it at the time though? Yeah. Okay, I didn't see it at the time, so maybe that's it. Did you see it in three-minute snippets?

The first part I did, yes, but then the second part I think. The second part is in 25-minute chunks. Okay, all right. Here's a question, though, for people, and maybe even you, Mason. There's also a lot of debate which is better. Is it this version of Clone Wars or The Clone Wars? Not Attack of the Clones, obviously. That's a bad one.

That's a bad movie. But which is kind of the better version? I think there's definitely room for both, and I think they aim to do different things. I think this is more frenetic in its action and fast paced and stylized. Whereas the Clone Wars is able to tell kind of longer arcs and stories and develop characters. So I think there's definitely room for both.

And I think if anything, this is probably the perfect one to make non-canon in the sense that anything now that's non-canon is legends. It's like, well, maybe, maybe this is how itcanon is legends it's like well what maybe maybe this is how it happened yeah exactly and because it's so you know maybe luke skywalker did fall in love with the spirit of a jedi who was trapped in a computer on a ship in a book once that's a story that happened incredible it definitely happened oh dear he's a creep is

what i'm saying yeah no you're not wrong that's why i went to that island i was gonna say why else would he be that hermit guy but you know, this idea and the idea that they're, you know, the Jedi are doing way more spectacular stuff, you know, that's the kind of way a tale gets bigger and bigger with the telling. Sure. Sure. I mean, it's non-canon, but, you know, it still exists. Exactly.

And you can just be like, well, maybe these are the stories that regular folk tell around the campfire, you know. Maybe this is the story that the kids watch on television. Yeah. Star Wars television. Maybe this is the story of a girl who cried a river and drowned the whole world. And while she may look so sad in holo photographs.

There we go. You absolutely love her when Anakin Skywalker holds a lightsaber to her throat. And grimaces in the way only he can. That's right. Anyway, this has been Caravanser Garbage. We do this every week. Have you got a suggestion?

More arcs of the Clone Wars, I know we have covered one before, in particular Boba Fett infiltrating the Clone Wars Academy situation. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd love to do more of those if you do have a story arc or just any suggestions in general. We do also throw up some ideas on Patreon and polls if people want to vote for some things,

if you do want to join that, which I'll link below. But also, we'll of course be back next Tuesday for another episode and here's a hint of what that's going to be. What is it, Mason? I don't know. We don't know. We don't even know in the room. Every time we do this, I sort of expect it to appear in like a bubble above our heads,

and we go, oh, a bit of divine inspiration there. Very nice. But it never happens. It never happens. We have to do it. We don't know what we're doing. We should do it here. Like a couple of idiots.

Also, these two microphones are not good at distinguishing voices, so when we talk over each other, it's just. So anyway, there you go. Like a couple of Italians, Mason. That's right. Yeah, Mamma Mia. Maybe I'll just leave that bit in the video version. We say Mamma Mia together.

Anyways, yeah, subscribe for that if you want because there are, of course, videos here every Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday. I'm at MrSundayMovies on Twitter. I'm at WikipediaBrown on Twitter. Thanks for watching this. We really appreciate it. Grab that jam, you guys. We will see you next week.

Goodbye. Just crush him. Just crush him, Mason. It wouldn't even be a problem. Right? If he's running at you down a corridor, just crush yeah we'll just crush crush the corridor crush the corridor crush his little weird head right he's got a squishy brain in there yeah crush it yeah pull his bloody belt full of lightsabers it falls down yeah he's nude then he's embarrassed yeah then you crush his head

shoot him with a gun this podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. I mean, if you want. It's up to you. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost.

FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+.