The Weekly Planet - Star Wars: The Clone Wars 2008 - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: June 23, 2022

WOW. Our journey through the Star Wars Prequels continues with what is somehow considered the worst one. Acting as an introduction to a new animated series George Lucas requested the smooshing together of four episodes and making this whole thing a cinematic release. Aiming to expand on the very much skipped over Clone Wars we briefly saw in Attack Of The Clones and Revenge Of The Sith it ended up being an incredible piece of storytelling mixing action and character development in ways we don't often see. Eventually. This isn't very good. Thanks for listening to our Caravan Of Garbage review!SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNVideo Edition ► Help support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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From May 27th to 31st, people across Canada will rise together and show those living with mental illness and addiction that they're not alone. Help CAMH build a future where no one is left behind. So who will you rise for? Register today at sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. Welcome back everybody to another episode of Caravan of Garbage, where who thought we'd be coming back to another Star Wars prequel property? I thought that. How did you know? A lot of people, you know, they like Star Wars.

Yep. They watch Star Wars stuff. We talked about should we do this or not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Search engine optimization. Ooh, SEO. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Plus, we love Star Wars.

We love Star Wars. And leave a like on this video, except for this. This is a horrible movie. What did you think, Mason? I quite liked it. What? I didn't mind. So we've done Star Wars and leave a like on this video, except for this. This is a horrible movie. What did you think, Mason? I quite liked it. What? I didn't mind. So we've done Star Wars stuff.

I mean, we've done Star Wars stuff before, but we've done Clone Wars stuff before, but we didn't, the thing we covered last time, I think was predominantly clone related. Yeah. Like it was an adventure of some of the little Jango Fett clones. Yeah, we did that. We did the finale, which is amazing.

If people want to look at any of those. But this was the theatrical released movie. Well, I have a question about this because I didn't see it at the time. Is this just not like three or four episodes stitched together? Why do you say that? Because it feels like three or four episodes just stitched together. You've done it. You've done it, Mason.

Terrific. You've somehow done it. And that's not to say that there isn't the genesis of some really great ideas. Because it doesn't have three acts. It has like three little acts. A thing. And then there's a pause. And then there's three more little acts.

Yeah. So what this was was four episodes squashed together. And it certainly feels like that. So it was going to be that. And then it was going to be a feature length pilot. Then it was thought, maybe we can squeeze some bloody juice out of this. And it was released in cinemas in 2008. Jedi Juice, that's right.

And because of that release, and because of that, they got in Samuel L. Jackson and Christopher Lee, who don't voice them normally, to re-voice those characters just for this. See, because I was watching this and I thought, boy, those sound-alikes are very good. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, but no, after this, they're like, we can't afford this. I see. I mean, it's a very expensive and beautiful-looking show, but for a 2008 animated movie, this does not hold up in the same realm.

Oh, see, for me, I'm like, this whole thing is like, it exists outside of time and space. I don't know, I wasn't comparing it to Pixar or DreamWorks or anything like that, but you know what I thought? I watched this and I'm like, these character models are pleasing to me. What is it? The big brat style eyes? The big brat style eyes.

The weird Thunderbird mannequin. Yes, the chiseled facial hair. They've got a certain like when they're standing around like a, you know, some sort of boardroom. Yeah. I'm like, oh, they have a certain presence to them. And I'm like, it feels like they all are existing in the same space mostly there is a there's an episode there's an episode squeezed into this four episodes where they're they're they're climbing up a sheer cliff face yeah and i'm like this looks like straight out of something out of like the incredible crash dummies or a or

a or a c-minus episode of reboot or something yeah but uh for the most part i'm like these are good character models they feel feel solid, these ones. I completely agree. And I think one of the advantages of doing it this way is you don't have to deal with hair physics, clothes physics, for the most part. They're all in arms. They look like chess pieces. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly, they do. You see that Anakin and Obi-Wan are in proper armor. Anakin's actually got a Darth Vader-style chest plate. A little bit of foreshadowing there for anybody who knows Star Wars. Ah, because later they're going to meet up and Darth Vader's going to be like, you stole my thing! Give me that!

Give me the thing! I'll use the force and I'll get it! Well, I'll use the good force on you, mate. Ooh, that's quite the impasse. What a showdown. I agree. So this actually also didn't go through 20th Century Fox in terms of a distribution platform.

Like all the Star Wars movies except for the first one, they were done in-house at Lucasfilm and then 20th Century Fox get a very small percentage. So this actually went through Warner Brothers. What? What indeed. This is incredible. This web of movie studio bureaucracy, it's blown my mind, James.

Yeah. And the other thing is, this is really the world's introduction, although he had been working on a bunch of terrific stuff before, of Dave Filoni directing this. Of course, he's moved on through various animated series and now live action. But I feel like by him putting his name on this, he's really throwing a guy under the bus to be like,

this is going to cinemas, by the way. We're putting your name at the end. When the movie ends, it's got to say, it's not going to say George Lucas, it's got to say Dave Filoni. It's going to say, Dave Filoni thought this was good enough to go into theatres. He wasn't thinking about TV at all. He wasn't thinking about watching this on a little laptop or something.

He was like, put this on IMAX. That's what he said. And what else i didn't like about it was that we've talked about this show also there was a 2003 2d animated for the most part series which is style of sort of samurai jack vibes yeah exactly amazing production quality incredible series i really love that and then when i saw this i'm like how dare you how that's interesting that's very interesting you say that because these sort of cover the same ground, don't they?

Like this one does and then... The other one's not canon anymore. Yes, but like plot-wise in terms of like the Clone Wars, if you will, they sort of do cover the same ground. And I think I do remember them, they both share like this action sequence where there's like an impasse and they've got to, I was going to say defeat an army of droids,

but that's all the prequels, isn't it? But I, and as much as I enjoyed the animation style of that Cell animated Clone Wars, it was very like, but it was just a lot of snippets stitched together and it felt very- Especially the first series. Yeah, it felt very disjointed,

whereas I thought, I was like, this is actually, this is very cohesive. You're loving The Room to Breathe, and you're loving the introduction of Rota the Huttler. Rota the Huttler. Oh, what do they call him? Little Slimy? Little Stinky. Little Stinky. I do not like the

nicknames that people are giving each other. Sky Guy? You didn't like Sky Guy? Sky Guy. Snips. This is also the introduction of Nice Anakin Skywalker. Anakin Skywalker. Good to see you, Nice Anakin Skywalker. Because, you know, I feel like still there is a disconnect between this guy and the Sky Guy we see in the movies,

the live action. Sure, sure, sure, yes. Yeah, but I don't know. I also, I find it hard to believe that anybody would give Anakin an apprentice or want him to have one. It's because you don't understand the wisdom of Yoda. Well, I don't. The wisdom of Yoda you do not understand.

But all the Jedi are also terrible. A dumbass are you. Yeah, well, that is true. But your options are somewhat limited, aren't they? They are. Yeah, so I guess he's as good as Eddie. Actually, Dave Filoni wanted Ahsoka to be Obi-Wan Kenobi's apprentice. That's what Obi-Wan Kenobi wanted.

That's what he wanted also, too. But it was George Lucas who was like, no, I think it would be more interesting to hand her over to Anakin. Now, I'm not overly familiar with Ahsoka Tano. Obviously, she's been in The Mandalorian. She's been in Book of Boba Fett for a minute. You met her at that barbecue. Oh, yeah.

Bit of a yawn, I'll tell you that much. Long story's gone forever. gone oh you jumped off a big cruiser and the cruiser crashed and all the clone troopers died did you then you threw away your lightsabers boo and boring oh yeah you fought a woman and she just had a stick and it that took you way too long don't you think because she just had a stick anyway sorry oh yeah um so from what i understand it the star wars community at large did not like Ahsoka Tana from this introduction. But of course, now that she's, they've been forced to watch her in a number of things. Now they love Ahsoka Tana.

But I mean, surely the joke in this is Anakin Skywalker now has to deal with a Padawan who was as annoying as he was, right? Isn't that the bit? Yeah, that is the bit. But look, I can't disagree when she she arrived, and I barely remember seeing this. I don't even remember how I saw it. I may have watched it like a pirated version on some show. Whoa, excuse me. I honestly don't remember.

I definitely didn't see this. You probably watched it in Minecraft, Wink. Wink, yes, I did. I watched it in Minecraft. But yeah, I think this show definitely benefited from being Star Wars and being produced in-house at Lucasfilm. Because if this was any other property, this would have been cancelled immediately.

There is no way that this would have got the run and also the chance to have so many really incredible storylines and the animation just goes from strength to strength in every season. Like, if this was anything else, this would have disappeared forever. It sounds like if we both saw this at the time, I would have continued watching it and you would have quit after this and you would have been all the poorer for it. Yes, maybe you are right, Mason.

And, you know, again, there are some good moments. You see Obi-Wan, he makes a little negotiation table with the Force. He sure does. Because, you know, in Revenge of the Sith, they call him the negotiator and this, they're like, we'll have him do that. They said that thing and everything has a backstory, including that nickname that was just

said in passing anyway one of the storylines is um they got to get into an energy shield and i feel like that's a that's a very fun like solid snake style espionage hide in a box move and if you need more time smoke some delicious cigarettes but then of course that story ends and again we get to the count dooku kidnaps the hut or somebody does and whatever. And they have to go rescue it because Jabba the Hutt's like, you know, that thing that he says. Classic Jabba the Hutt, yes. And so on.

But what did you think of, like, for example, Truman Capote the Hutt? You're a fan of that guy? I'm loving all the weird side characters and funny accented warlords in this. I like the fact that one of the, what are they called? Not the coalition. What are they called? The Trade Federation. Trade Federation.

I like the general at the start of this was just sort of Irish. I like that. Better than some of the accents these characters do, isn't it? That is certainly true. When he went fiddle-dee-dee. He went fiddle-dee-dee. Give me a Guinness, he said. He sure did.

Not even a space Guinness. A regular Guinness, please. Fiddle-dee-dee. He went fiddle-dee-dee. Give me a Guinness, he said. He sure did. Not even a space Guinness, a regular Guinness, please. Fiddle-dee-dee. Yeah, I also think what this show creates an interesting wrinkle for episode three is that Anakin meets Count Dooku like multiple times. And in Revenge of the Sith, he's like, this is the last time we bloody hung out. My powers have doubled. So every time he sees him, he gets

a little bit better, and then the very last time that he meets him, his powers have then doubled by the time he eventually beheads him. Every time he meets Cal Dooku, he's just constantly levelling up, just getting ready to behead this old man. Do you think there's some sort of graph?

Do you think he has a day planner and he's written it all out and he shows Dooku every time and he's like, beheading day, there it is. It's coming. Coming, mate. I got more force points. I've earned them by force skill tree.

Maybe I should ask you, should I put them in agility? Should I put them in strength? Constitution? Where should I put them? I'm putting them all into decapitation. I'm going to save them all up for you, mate. I like how they trick Dooku while he's fighting with rocks in his backpack.

Very slick manoeuvre, by the way. That must be very difficult, Mason, fighting with a big rock. But I loved how Dooku was really kind of upset and betrayed when he saw that little monster hut wasn't there. He was like, oh, you tricked... Oh, come on. That's poor form.

You're the bad guy. You're the bad, what are you talking, you orchestrated a kidnapping. Why is this the line where you're like, oh, come on, that's a bit rough. I thought we were having fun. I thought this was fair. There's probably a Jedi bylaw against this,

technically against the rules. It probably is. No rocks substituting for babies. It doesn't matter how stinky they are. Yeah. What do you think about the symmetry, the poetry, if you will, that Anakin is standing before Jabba the Hutt

and mere movies later, Luke is like, I'm going to kill everyone in this room. I think symmetry and poetry are for cowards. Hmm, interesting. What about subtext? Cowards. Okay, good, good, good, excellent stuff. Do you want to do some green trivia? It's for cowards, but yes. Is it? Yeah. Okay,

well, that's fine. Yeah, yeah. We are famously cowards. yes is that yeah okay well that's fine yeah yeah we are famously cowards it's true i'm gonna have to push forward because that would that be more cowardly if i didn't do it i don't know anyways uh this is a wonderful piece of trivia ewan mcgregor hayden christiansen ian mcdermott frank oz and tamuera morrison were the only actors and actress from the star wars movies not to return and provide their voices. That's quite a lot. Yeah, just everybody in those movies, pretty much, except for Anthony Daniels. Yeah.

Great. So I don't know if you've noticed in this, Mason, but Anakin Skywalker has a scar. Yes. He's got a scar here. And the previous time we saw him, he didn't have a scar. Now in Legends- Question then, James, I don't know if you've stumbled on something here. The question is, how did he get his scar? Yes.

Should we do some research on that? I mean, I have done. I mean, you can do it, but I can just tell you've stumbled on something here. The question is, how did he get his scar? Yes. Should we do some research on that? I mean, I have done. I mean, you can do it, but I can just tell you. What would you prefer? Your way would be quicker, wouldn't it? Okay, good. Yeah, yeah. It's weird that you've also just stumbled on the answer as well.

I know, right? I've just posited this to you, and you've just already got the answer. I'm ready to go. Oh. So it's apparently from Asajj Ventress, in Legends at least. We've seen that in a comic. We saw that in the Clone Wars 2003 series. I also think that this initially,

they were a bit careful not to step on that original series. And then as they got a bit of steam, they just went, no, we're just going to fucking barrel over that. Don't even worry about it. That's right. That's Legends and this is real. We're going to print off a copy of the credits from that original series and every week we're going to rip one of the names out,

chuck it in a fire. Exactly. This is fun. So the original title of Star Wars from 1977 was actually Blue Harvest. That's incredible. That needed a working title because it was such a big hit.

When they were filming it, they actually needed something to disguise the production of it as to keep costs down, to keep fans storming the set. Like a storm trooper. That's very, yeah, exactly. Because they were like, they all knew what that was. They were like, we're going to storm this like a storm trooper. That's very, yeah, exactly. Because they were like,

they all knew what that was. They were like, we're going to storm this like a storm trooper. It's a big hit. So yeah, a lot of people don't know that. So here's something, some other lore. Maybe I'll let you answer this one.

What happened to Rotter the Hut after this movie in canon? Oh. Where do you think this little horrible creature ended up? Used car salesman? That's a pretty great guess. No, but the answer is who knows.

Oh, wow. Just nowhere. Wow, perhaps on a new series coming to Disney+. Maybe, but I feel like a... Stinky Rotter. I feel like it's going to be... And that'll be his catchphrase. I'm a stinky Rotter.

Look at me. Look how stinky I am. Tom Holland does the voice. Yes, he does, yeah. Hello, it's me. That's exactly that am. Tom Holland does the voice. Yes, he does. Yeah. Hello, it's me. That's exactly that one. I'm a little horrible creature. And Zendaya can play his beautiful human wife.

Oh, fantastic. Yeah. You don't want her to be yuck. No, no, no, no. Tohono could be yuck. He could be a yuck little boy. I feel like they probably considered it for the Book of Boba Fett. Remember when Jabba the Hutt's cousins turned up, just like intertwined.

But I feel like they're going to save this for maybe the next generation of Star Wars films or whatever down the line. Because they're like those horrible little Yoda creatures they take forever to mature, apparently. I see. Also, this is fun. If you watch... Just let me be the judge of whether these are fun or not. Mason, is this fun? Yeah.

Good. If you watch The Clone Wars... James, if you're saying it is fun, I'll tell you that much. Say that for free. If you watch The Clone Wars chronologically, this actually comes after episodes 216 and also episode 116. This isn't the first thing to happen in A Clone Wars, if you will. So there you go.

Let's talk box office, though. Okay. I'll give you specific numbers james just gave me the thumbs down and uh and a big farty noise that's true what does it mean though let's find out let's listen on is this fun uh this is the first star wars movie not to open at number one at the box office at the box office it cost 8.5 million, which is very cheap for an animated feature. I also feel like, is that even true? And it made $68.3 million.

It's a good return. It's a good return if those numbers are accurate. I don't know. Look, I think I would have been way more receptive to this if it just came out on television. Because I think, yeah, like you said, going back and watching this, you can definitely see the genesis of some really solid storytelling and characters but this is not a movie for cinemas or for kids because a lot of

people get shot in the head it's very true yes yeah yeah for example even i mean look at the time that this video is going for right it's such a like a bland and empty cinematic endeavor that wow what do you do you get to 40 minutes like we did for the other videos, is what I'm saying? Oh, I see what you're saying, but not everything is as in-depth. Do you think maybe we could stretch out this video for 40 minutes using maybe footage of live-action Obi-Wan Kenobi with his macro binoculars,

looking at animated Obi-Wan Kenobi with his macro binoculars? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Binoculars. Or perving on Girls at the beach, you know? Yeah, as he probably does. Great. Anyways, like we mentioned, we've done all the prequels. We've done a bunch of Clone Wars episodes.

We've even done Rebels, the Star Wars Rebels, some of that, haven't we, Mason? The Star Wars Rebels, we sure did. The Star Wars Rebels. But if you have any suggestions for what you want for Caravan of Garbage, please let us know. And look, maybe you're like, what's coming next week? Great question. Here's a hint

anyways if you do want to see that early you can head over to bigsandwich.co is that fun Mason? it's very fun that's right because it's like our private Patreon there's movie commentaries

there's bonus podcasts as mentioned there's early videos a bunch of exclusive stuff there's a huge back catalogue of stuff if you are interested huge and fun it's huge

what do you think of this movie? Is it good? No, it's not. No, it's not a good movie. Why are you so forgiving of this? It's free. I'm paying $20 for this. I'm hating it.

It's just on Disney+. You just click over. James, did you hire out a cinema and watch it in a cinema for this? Maybe. Maybe I invited all my former friends to come and watch this. No. I said it's a big Star Wars release. I said cinema and watch it in a cinema for this maybe maybe i invited all my former friends to come and watch this i said it's a big star wars release i said come and see it come and see it i said you've done the wrong thing there i have haven't i yeah anyways thanks everybody we'll see you at the next video grab that jam you guys we'll see you next time goodbye

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