The Weekly Planet - The Losers - Caravan of Garbage

Episode Date: March 31, 2022

The Loser's 2010 was known at the time for that movie that's not The A-Team remake. Which isn't the only reason it appears in this series covering the DC Graveyard the other reason is because it didn't make enough money. That being said it's far from the worst thing we've looked at as of so far. Thanks for watching! SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jN Video Edition ► https://youtu.be/pXFLhZu069c Help support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Caravan of Garbage, where, yes, we are making our way through the DC graveyard. The movies that didn't quite hit either commercially or critically. Or both. Or both.

They gave them a shot didn't they? You know? It was an era we didn't quite know. We didn't know. What was going to work. It was a couple of years in before we realised it's the just do the just do Marvel movies. Yeah it's easy. Just do the Marvel formula over and over again.

Just do like 20 Marvel movies in a row. It's easy. Anybody could do it. That's right. Yeah. it's easy. Just do the Marvel formula over and over again. Just do like 20 Marvel movies in a row. It's easy. Anybody could do it. That's right. Yeah. Here's a question for you, though. Did you ever think that the 2010 comedy Loser starring Jason Biggs, which also wasn't a big hit for the time,

do you think like 10 years after that came out that it would get this sequel? Was that ever in the back of your mind? That's a very clever thing you've done there, James. Yeah, but no, serious question. Did you ever think that it would get this sequel? No, because they're unrelated in every conceivable way you've done there, James. Yeah, but no, serious question. Did you ever think that it would get this sequel? No, because they're unrelated in every conceivable way. Interesting, interesting, interesting. So Weed Road returns.

That's right. Our favourite production company. Now, they were responsible for the cinematic crime that is Jonah Hex, right? Yes. Yeah, we did that last week. Okay. And if you did the crime, you can do more movies. As many as you want.

Just keep doing it to this day. Just keep doing it, yeah. This time, of course, in conjunction with vertigo comics and you know it's in conjunction and based on a comic because of the hyper saturation the crank effect i don't think crank was the first to do it by a long shot but i always think crank when i see a movie that's like this intense color palette wise yeah right uh-huh but also apparently that's because the idea is that every location is supposed to have a different hue, a different colour gradient. Did you get that sense?

You're like, oh, now where am I? Yeah, I mean, there is certainly that. Now where am I, you were saying to yourself watching this. Oh, no, they've written the word on the ground where they are. Yeah, and I'm still in my living room watching this movie. Yeah, I guess I got that sense. Yeah, we got that. But, I mean's i think that's

you know sort of being built into hollywood now it's like if you're in a south american country it's got to be that weird hyper saturated hue you know because it's humid absolutely yeah uh how do you feel coming back to this what are the strengths of this movie because we both i remember well like there's there's like the a-team which came out this year, but it was slightly better than that A-Team movie. It was. It came out just prior to The A-Team, I think. Yeah, two very similar kind of disavowed Special Forces team movies coming out. I think this...

Both end in a big shipping container situation. They sure do, right? The A-Team... Except one involves a bunch of shooting and a motorcycle chase and a plane's about to take off. The other one involves a shell game involving shipping containers that only works if the villains, like the audience, only get snippets of what's happening, which obviously wouldn't be the case.

You'd be like, boy, these shipping containers sure are moving slowly, aren't they? The thing we want is still definitely in that one because it's moving at one mile an hour. I guess also the difference between this team and that team, though not so much the new A-Team team, is that these guys are all killers. I think, though, in the A-Team movie they were also killers.

I think there's a moment where the guy who plays the Mr. T character, whose name was? Mr. T. Mr. T in real life. No, from the show. What was his name? Oh, B.A. Baracus. Yeah, there we go. He's like, whose name was? Mr. T. Mr. T in real life. No, from the show. What was his name on the show? Oh, B.A. Baracus. Yeah, there we go.

Like, he's like, I can't kill anybody. I can't do combat. And then I remember him picking up a guy and just, like, dropping him on his neck. And that was, like, his triumphant arc. That's his character arc, yeah. He's learned and grown as a person there, as that other man wouldn't, because he's dead now.

Yeah, he's dead from his neck. I remember liking this a lot at the time. Yeah. And I still quite like it. I think it's a lot of fun and i'll tell you why you meant the to to finally wind back to the question you had which is what are its strengths the thing about killer cast yeah absolutely and it's you know it's people who went on yeah to just that we've we've done videos in the past about the actors who've performed multiple superhero roles yeah we've got at least three in this cast.

We've got Chris Evans, who was obviously Captain America, and Push. Yes, he was Push. He was Jason Push. Get out of my way, he'd say. That was his catchphrase. I've got superhero stuff to do. And, of course, we've got...

Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Jeffrey Dean Morgan, who's been everybody from Negan in The Walking Dead to Thomas Wayne. That guy in Jonah Hex last week or whatever. Remember? Oh, yeah. He came out of the grave. He's like, boom,. That guy in Jonah Hex last week or whatever. Remember? Oh, yeah. He came out of the grave. He's like, boom, boom.

He was somebody's brother or son or something. It was John Malkovich's son or whatever. That's right. You're right, though. The dynamic of this team works incredibly well. And it seems like also they're having fun. Even though at the start it's like, oh, a bunch of kids just exploded. But other than that, they're like, we're having a good time.

Speaking of comic book alumni, it's like Zoe Saldana,dana for example that's right there's a lot going on here i think also they managed to make each of these characters distinct from each other in terms of skills either that or like hats and novelty t-shirts yeah and i feel like one's a sniper yep one's a skinny nerd yeah he's so skinny incredibly fit and ripped skinny nerd. You know, they've all got different personalities in that way. But then I look at something like, say, The Fast and Furious, and I don't really have a sense at this point of what any of their abilities are. Initially, I think The Fast and Furious characters had individual abilities. One was a hacker.

One was the jump from a car to another car guy. But then there's a couple of deleted scenes where they each taught each other all their skills in a sort of round-robin situation, and now they're all kung fu hackers. Hacking and jumping from planes and whatever. So yeah, it does feel like that, yeah, they've got distinct personalities. It kind of felt a bit like the Italian Job remake in that scene,

which we also looked at. But I also think... What a low bar to clear also. All these characters had slightly distinct personalities. And t-shirts! They weren't just like the writer in different hats. Yeah, absolutely. Well done them. The writer, speaking of,

it's Peter Berg, who directed, among other things, our favourite, The Rundown. That's our favourite. And also another guy. Two guys? Yeah, two different guys. Is that legal? Did they get the guy back from Loser? It's illegal. James, no.

Oh. Oh, it's James Vanderbilt. James Vanderbilt? No, James. He played alongside Jason Biggs in Jane Silent Bob, whatever. Oh, my God. It all comes around together. James Vanderbilt, of course, writer and producer and also a member of the Vanderbilt family.

Famous for being rich. Oh, wow. It's one of those families where you just go, oh, the Rothschilds, and people go, oh, okay. Were they famous? I don't know. They just got a lot of money at one point. They got so much money.

And then they just sit on it. Yeah. That's pretty good, isn't it? They must be respected for it. You know what I think also elevates this movie to slightly better than average? Go on. If you don't mind me saying so.

Chris Evans, I wouldn't say carries a lot of this. But his goatee carries a lot of this. That's true. And his frosted tips. But he's really... What an era. What an era. Like this is right at the...

Feels light as well, right? This is right at the tail end of this era but there's a lot of like frosted tips and watches with big cuffs, leather cuffs on them. Have you got things to say

about watches, do you? I mean, I don't but you're probably going to spring that on me, I suspect. I wasn't going to but now I might. Oh no.

But you know, Chris Evans got a fun collection of novelty t-shirts and that one scene where he has a crossbow which I really enjoy. And the one scene where he has a crossbow, which I really enjoy. And the one scene where he gets his dick out. And the one scene where he gets his dick out. I think a lot of this movie...

And not a single woman in the crowd is like, this is definitely a crime. Everybody's like, yeah, this is still cool somehow. This is cool. We're on the tail end of this. This is still cool, we reckon. That's right. Yeah.

Why do you think they didn't get... Even if we're exposed to a dick in public, we evaluate it on how quality we think it is. That's exactly right. Why do you think Jason Biggs didn't return as the character of Paul Tannock, though? What do you think it was this time? Well, the character died in a shootout at the end of Loser.

Okay. Yeah. I don't think that's what happened, was it? Yeah, no, it was actually a knife fight on top of a blimp. Wow. I remember that movie differently. But look, it does have a villain. I'm not sure if he's in the first movie,

but Jason Patrick shows up as just kind of a Bond villain. Yeah. I mean, he's got fancy suits and a scarred hand, and he's after a snook. He's after a snook, and he's sort of wildly flip-flopping character-wise in the sense that sometimes he's kind of smart and conniving, and sometimes he'll just shoot a woman

because his parasol was not slightly askew, for example. He's a little bit racist, which I don't think would fly now for good reason. But I think maybe one of the reasons is in the comic book, that character is two guys. Oh, he's two guys? He's twins. Like back to back?

Yes, tied up together. Wow. No, but if you notice in the movie, sometimes he wears a white glove, sometimes he wears a black glove. In the comic books, that was a clue that they were different guys. And at the end, you're like, oh, there's two Maxes. Really? So maybe that explains why he's so all over the shop.

But I think it's also, like that works as a kind of, you're right, like a manic Bond villain. That's quite. Maybe it doesn't work for everybody. I mean, this definitely leads into a sequel that didn't get made. They could have completed the Loser trilogy, but no, they had to drop it off here. But yeah, that would have been really interesting to explore.

You know what else is good about this? I think the action scenes in general also, like a little bit above average. It's got a pretty good van heist. Someone's thought about some of this. You know, I love a good van heist. I love when somebody swoops in and picks up a van with a helicopter. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah.

Because everyone on the ground is like, what's going on here? They're on the radio. They're like, what's going on? What can we do? It's flying. It's in the sky. Why don't you get the choppers in the air? We don't have a big magnet.

This movie walked so fast Nine could run. I agree. With scenes where everything was a magnet. Everything was a magnet. But even things like to get all the people out of the van, like the SWAT team, they fill it with gasoline. And then when they come out, they can't shoot because they're covered in gasoline

because of sparks and explosions and the like. I also think the best action scene or sequence in this, and you alluded to it before when talking about Chris Evans' dick, is when he infiltrates that building to Journey's Don't Stop Believe. Now, to me, I'm like, if you're going to do this movie, do you get Wheatus back because they did Teenage Dirtbag for the first movie? Do they do a cover of this or like a new song?

Do they do Leroy is the Mojo Man? I know you were. I could see it in your eyes. I always know, James. I've known you long enough to know when you're going to mention Leroy is the Mojo Man. But that whole sequence of him getting into the building, changing clothes, getting upstairs, getting the data,

doing the fake shootout. That's in the comic too. That's in the comic, yeah. And then escaping. Terrific. Like the best thing in this movie, I feel. And I would say that's even slightly, slightly, slightly above average, above okay. Do you know what I mean? That's terrific, yeah. But the slightly, slightly above average, above okay.

Do you know what I mean? That's terrific, yeah. But the endings, it's not too bad either. I mean, the idea of driving a Ducati into a plane while the guy from Mindhunter, who I know has a real name, I apologise, here it is on the screen, like he flies into a jet engine, I love that. Speaking of comic book alumni, Idris Elba is obviously in this movie as well.

That's right. My goodness, takes a villainous turn. Yeah. does he do that a lot because i remember watching this and going like is this one of the ones where idris alba's gonna take a villainous turn good question let's name all the idris alba movies we know fx is the veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret. The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+.

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Register today at sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. The Office Season 3 to 4-ish. At least one Pacific Rim movie. That recent Cowboy Western, which I quite liked. The TV series Ultraviolet, where he's a vampire hunter, but not the Milla Jovovich movie, but a series, like a The TV series Ultraviolet, where he's a vampire hunter, but not the Mila Jovovich movie, but a series, like a British series called Ultraviolet.

Luther. It's a series, but I consider it one big movie, since we're naming movies. I think that's everything, right? Yes. We've got a cover. Everything is done, yeah. Totally.

That's good, isn't it? But yeah, it's a pretty fun ending, and Jeffrey Dean Morgan goes for the bomb trigger or whatever, so the dude from Speed 2 can get away and I like at the end how he's just escaping on public transport you know and he's like give me a watch give me a watch it's time for watch trivia

I guess. Ah okay alright what do you want to know? What is it? What do you mean what is watch trivia? Where you tell us what a watch is we just did it we did it for a different movie recently. We did. It's true, yeah.

You were like, oh, I couldn't do it in Jonah Hex. It was only pocket watches. Yeah. I don't think that's your wheelhouse or watch house, if you will. You don't have to name the watch if you don't want to. If you refuse to. Well, Jason Patrick wears at least two watches. Wow, okay.

On the scene on the beach, look, I'm not the expert you think I am, James. You're Rain Man for watches. I'm pretty sure on the beach he wears a Breitling Super Ocean chronograph. Okay, good. With a blue dial and a black rubber strap, as befits the situation. Yes, yes, yes. And the watch that he gets taken off his wrist is a Breitling Navitimer chronograph with a white dial and a steel bracelet. Okay, wow.

So he's actually picking the watch for the situation. Yeah, beach time, being mugged. Yeah, that's what you do. It's called a sense of occasion, James. Oh, I get you, I get you, I get you. Cool. Anyway, it's time for trivia for the movie The Losers. Often I'll think of a pun, but people don't like it.

They're like, with Constantine, I was complaining to you about this before we recorded. I said constrivia, and I got many comments that were like, why didn't you say constantrivia, James? And let me tell you this. I don't think about these. It's not even a joke. It's just a thing that I think about briefly,

and then I put it in here, and then it's nothing. And then Ben or Lawrence have to put a, like they spell it out on the screen. They have to figure out how you would spell it. How I said it or whatever. It's not anything, and I'm not taking suggestions. Anyway, you said that I said, James, well, I actually respect the opinions of the viewers and I think they should make all the comments they like.

And you also want to give them all some money, don't you? Yeah. But I don't have any money. Yeah, but if they saw you, say, in real life, they could ask you for money. Yeah, I mean, they could ask. They could ask. Anyway, it's the Losers trivia or whatever.

Jason Biggs actually shot this movie concurrently with Boys and Girls, also in the year 2000, jumping on a plane from a set of Loser in Toronto to LA and then back again. This is another one of James' famous. The hardworking Hollywood boy. Mistaking the movie we've watched for a different movie, which has somewhat similar names. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The music video of the song Teenage Dirtbag by Wheatus features the character of the film as the song features on the movie soundtrack. Unlike the movie, the music video was set in a high school and Dora dates a bully jock and not a sleazy college professor, which I'm sure you remember as played by Greg Kinnear, who might actually be the brother of Jason Patrick. That would be fun.

It's like in Die Hard, how Hans Gruber's brother shows up later for revenge. Is he wearing a glove in that movie? I can't remember. He seems like a man who maybe, depending on the weather, might wear gloves. It's true. But Jason Biggs has that furry hat situation. It does. That location certainly has the weather for it, doesn't it?

I agree. The dish from Goldeneye is in this. They're on top of it at one point. I think it's... That discrepancy. Sean Bean. Sean Bean out of it. Just his sticky remains.

I think that collapsed relatively recently, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's video of that, yeah. Good stuff. Jensen tries to bluff his way past security guards by claiming he is part of a secret government experiment. Chris Evans will later appear in the Marvel Cinematic Universe to portray Loki briefly.

Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, boo, I'm Loki, but I look like Chris Evans. That's true. And also he says he gets telekinetic powers, just like Jason Push from the movie Push. That's right. What was his catchphrase again?

Get out of my way. And then he does a push. Yeah, nice, great. Yeah, you remember. And I've just written here a last bit of trivia. Yes, a lot of people in this movie have been in a lot of comic book movies. Why haven't they? And if we haven't named them all, just don't worry about it.

Just drop it, please. Just drop it. You don't need to. I know there's like some people out there, like a big part of them is just like, I'm going to name every character and every actor and everything they've ever done. Just don't. Just don't do it. James, it's that kind of quitter talk

that means there's no internet movie database of any kind. That's a good point, actually. If people believed in themselves, we'd have a database of all the movies everybody's ever been in. This isn't a database, though. No, it's true. This is just whatever. This is just, here's some things we think of this

thing we watched. Right. You know? Why is anybody interested? It's wild. It's wild to me. I mean, I appreciate it but it's wild to me, Mason. Anyways, budget. Yes. I was just going to say, did you have the thought right at the start of the movie where the helicopter crashes and

the losers, they want to make it look like they've also died in the crash. So they just bundle up all their dog tags, and they just throw them into like a six-inch wide square. And then the air crash investigator is going to look at that and be like, well, I guess when the missile hit, they all just huddled up into a little spot, and then they were all turned to ash. Yeah, exactly.

Case closed. You don't want to like loop that over a kid and go like, the skeleton shrunk in the explosion. This must be skinny nerd Chris Evans' body, because he's also small like a child. Looks like he had a rickets. Anyways, Budget Mason. It's interesting that this was a sequel

because Loser had a budget of $20 million and only made $18.9 million. It's the kind of movie where that wasn't received well enough either critically or commercially to receive a follow-up. See, we've reached the point in the video where if I don't just go along with that, the video will end up going longer, I think. So, yeah, it is weird.

Actually, it's weird. It's weird, yeah. But it's not like this guest. Must have been a passion project. You know, somebody up in the decision-making process, somebody up in the Warner Brothers boardroom was just like, yeah, I love these characters. I love what Jason Biggs' character turned into in The Losers,

so we've got to do this again. He died on the roof of the blip, remember? Yeah, but weren't they searching for his remains? Oh, yeah. A briefcase had... And then they found his hat. That's right. I do remember that.

Paul Tannock. What? His name was Paul Tannock. Oh, I see. But this one, though, this gamble on a sequel didn't pay off. Paul Tannock. What? His name was Paul Tannock. Oh, I see. But this one, though, this gamble on a sequel didn't pay off. It cost $25 million, but it only made $29.9 worldwide. Did okay DVD sales.

When I say okay, not very well. But look, I think if you haven't seen this, it's worth just, it's fine. If this was a Netflix original film, I reckon it'd be like this. It would be the best one. Yeah, this is a cut above, I think you'd say. Yeah, absolutely. But in the era we're in now, you know, just wouldn't get a look in. Wouldn't get a bloody look in, mate. Anyways.

Maybe they should rebadge it like Red Notice 2 or something. They probably could. Yeah, exactly. Because people are still watching that movie every second of every day. I'm watching it right now. Are you? If I ever seem distracted when we record a video, it's because I'm re-watching Red Notice. Yeah, right.

Cool. Cool. What's it like? It's bad. I haven't seen it. It's fine. It's fine. Wow.

Now, look, there's been a lot of call. People like, when are you going to get to Green Lantern? Well, here's a hint towards next week. It's Green Lantern. Yeah, we're doing Green Lantern finally. I was thinking about holding off. Do you know what I mean? Just waiting till like the Green Lantern show

appears or whatever. But we made people watch Twilight. So we figured we... I was just, the Green Lantern show. It's like, it's like the gong show. You do a little,

you do a little performance and if Green Lantern doesn't like it, it punches you in the face. Do you know what I mean? That, like, I feel like we, like,

put people through a lot with Twilight. And we maybe, this is really a one for them situation. Do you know what I mean? I feel like we put people through a lot with Twilight. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is really a one-for-them situation. Do you know what I mean? Absolutely, yeah. And if you do want to see these early, including Greenland, you can actually head over to BigSandwich.co

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I just love plug and shit. I know people aren't here, but I can't help myself. I'm always hustling. Do you know hustle? Oh, you think everybody's switched off by now? Yeah, do you know hustle culture, Mason? Are you familiar with this? Are you familiar with Sigma Grindset?

I was going to say, I've got the business grindset. Don't worry about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes I get up before I go to sleep. Wow, really? Yeah, yeah. By business mindset, do you mean you have a trench coat full of old watches? Yeah, that's exactly right.

Yeah. Terrific. All right, thanks, everybody. I'm leaving. Are you leaving? Yeah, I think I'm leaving. Okay, cool. Thanks, everybody. Grab that gem, you guys leaving? Yeah, I think I'm leaving. Okay, cool. Thanks, everybody.

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