The Weekly Planet - The Matrix - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: August 26, 2021

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The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of Caravan of Garbage, where this week and next week and week after next week, three week, we're going to be covering the Matrix trilogy. Once again, for Caravan of Garbage, which, to be clear,

is not exclusively about things that are garbage. No, it's just whatever. But, just kidding, I like these movies. I agree. And, you know, we'll get into some of the pitfalls of this series in general. And the redeeming qualities of the sequel, some of which I may not have even thought about until I was an adult. And I'm like, oh, yeah, that part is actually quite good.

Yeah, I completely agree. But, look, we'll come back to that. And by that I mean white men with dreadlocks. That's the great part about The Matrix Reloaded. I agree. The white men with the dreadlocks. I agree. Now, I've got a question for you and for everybody.

First of all, can you leave a like? That'd be great. Second question, has this aged well? Because I think it has. Or are we just blind to it because it hit us at like the exact right point in time that is a great point because i re-watched it today and i remember thinking boy this really does this holds up like you know the effects and the effect i i mean i think i think just just off the bat i think some of the effects have that kind of that that cgi haze over it yeah

that that a lot of stuff of that era did you see those squids up close when they're attacking the ship and they're clearly like cgi things or whatever yeah yeah yeah but on the whole like a lot of it is practical the green screen is mostly flawless you know the stunts are again practical yeah yeah for the most part and i think you know and i think that the matrix is subject to you know that the Simpsons already did it kind of trope where, like, people go, oh, well, it's only just, what, it's slow-mo and it's bullet time and et cetera, et cetera. And it's like, yeah, but do you remember before that? Do you remember before The Matrix times?

Or even after? Because the other reason I think it holds up really well, well, for a couple of reasons. First of all, it's not really 1999. So it's like a fictional 1999. Yes, but it's filled with anachronisms. It's sort of like the Batman animated universe. It's allegedly a certain time period, but it puts, you know.

Rotary phones. Rotary phones and sort of anachronistic cars and architecture and that sort of stuff. You know, a mix of kind of post-apocalyptic costuming and kind of, you know, retro stuff and just weird timeless things. You know, a lot of it doesn't strike you as particularly dated because it's been designed to not be... Yeah.

It's been designed to be of any era, really. Yeah, it's just, you know, whoever's running the Matrix going, this is good enough, they don't know, you know. The people in it, that is. But the second reason I think it's dated really well is because if you look at similar-ish movies that aped it of the era, I'm talking like Daredevil, I'm talking Paycheck, I'm talking other Ben Affleck action properties. You can't stop talking about Ben Affleck action vehicles.

No, I can't. But all of those things don't work the way that this does. I'm just talking strictly visually as well. It holds up better than anything else around it by five to 10 years in most cases. Yeah, and I think, again, it is, you know, it's not the Wachowskis' first film, but I think it feels like their sort of magnum opus.

It feels like something they wanted to make since, you know, before they started making films. It feels like they put so much care and so much attention into it, and there's so many visual choices being made. It's not just a city scene and whatever backdrop you have is fine. Or just put them in a car, whatever car is fine, whatever sedan you just happen to have kind of thing.

Every scene and every moment has a choice, even down to the scenes in The Matrix have an odd green tint to them. Yes. And scenes in the real world have a blue tint. Keanu has green stubble. That's right. I don't like it. Or even stuff like things that, you know,

you don't notice until a rewatch, like the famous scene with the woman in the red dress. Yeah. Where many of the background extras are twins. Yes. But it sort of, it leads to kind of a disconcerting rewatch where you're like, hey, hang on a sec. Yeah, and I think that's a really interesting choice

because nobody ever says it, but that program was created by Mouse and he's just going to be copying and pasting NPCs just to fill out the world. Do you know what I mean? So it makes a lot of sense. I also think the sound design of this is incredible. For one, that little throat tap that he does to Agent Smith. That one.

And when the mirror goes down his throat, that noise just always kind of stuck with me, the way it goes from a man screaming to a digital kind of distortion. To an old modem noise of some sort. I love that particular scene just because how does that room work? Like, because in the scene, obviously... What happens if you don't touch the mirror? Exactly.

Like, you know, obviously in order to escape the Matrix, you have to go through this trace program. And obviously and obviously it's you know it's metaphorical in some way or it's you know it's it's it's it's computerized and digitized and abstracted or what have you but you've got to take a pill and then there's like a rotary phone that's attached to some sort of rube goldberg machine and lots of old chairs and a mirror and you have to look at the mirror and notice that something's up with the mirror. But everybody else has to pretend that they don't know what's going on with the mirror. You know what I mean?

He's going to touch the mirror. Nobody look at him. Maybe that's the final test. If they're like, maybe the incurious will just be like, or maybe just the two. You cannot join the resistance if you're too polite. So if you see the mirror wobbling and you're like. He's giving me acid.

I'll be very embarrassed if I touch that mirror and nothing happens. So I simply will not touch the mirror. I've written here a lot of questions. It is some questions that I've just had over the years. I'm not really looking for answers. They're just little curiosities that I have about this world. Folks, leave your answers in the comments. Okay, why not? I believe that if you tell someone what The Matrix is, they would probably get it. I mean, we got it. It's the movie. And we didn't even escape The Matrix. We're still in The Matrix as far as I know. We get movies the first time we see them, don't we?

That's correct, yes. We're famous for it. Yeah, I think if you'd sat him down and said, we're actually in a computer simulation, Neo as a computer man himself would have been like, oh, I get it. Rad or whoa. Now, Neo, do you want to wake up in a weird goopy pod?

No. I'd rather wake up in my nice warm bed. Thank you. Well, that's the other thing. If you wake up in your weird goopy pod, the machine should just take one of those pneumatic cow killing things. Whoever comes out, just kill them straight away. There's a good chance that it's a guy who's going to fly kick into your mainframe.

You know what I mean? Sure. You don't need any of that. Okay, what about this? The skills that you learn in The Matrix through downloading programs. How many translate into the real world is your question. So if you learn Kung Fu, do you still have Kung Fu in the real world? I think they do, but you'd still be limited by your own physicality, I assume.

Sure. Why is it that if you die in The Matrix, you die in the real world? Does that imply that if VR gets good enough that people will eventually start having heart attacks? Yes. Okay, great. On the character of Cypher who ends up betraying them, spoilers, it's 20-plus years old. If you haven't seen it, don't look at any of this anyway.

How does he have the meeting with Agent Smith initially? Who knows? There's neither here nor there. Also, he must know that they're not going to put him back, right? Oh, I see what you're saying. But to answer your question, he does have a program that puts himself back in the Matrix. That's what he switches off when Neo approaches it.

Oh, okay. When he's surprised, he's like, whoa, because it's a timer, basically. You ever seen an egg timer? Okay, it's an egg timer. I'm just saying, like, what if somebody walked in when he was in it? And just looked at the monitors. I mean, I guess some of them use it for sex also, so it's probably not uncommon. I'm using this for sex, I swear.

I put a raggedy sock on the door. That's the signal, all right? Leave me alone. Yeah, look, all I'm saying is he took his time eating that steak. I'd be like, I'm still going to smash this meal down, get back to the real world. I love steak, but I'm going to finish this quickly. Maybe the agents can alter the flow of time for him. So maybe, you know,

if he got his wish, he'd just be eating that steak forever. That's true. Or some sort of all-you-can-eat buffet. What I do like, though, about the opening sequence, speaking of questions,

it leads to so many questions, which is why it's great. You know, the open sequence, the police are there, and then the agents are there, and there's this hacker lady. What's you're doing she does that scorpion kick she kicks that dude whatever kick months of training to get that one i mean all of them but wasn't it do you remember do you remember seeing it for the first time and being like what

is happening here well i knew what the twist was going in oh did you like someone at school was like it's this and i'm like cool and it didn't affect me at all. Like, I still loved it. And what I think is fascinating about this movie leading up is, and I think you can speak to this more, the trailers were very lacklustre. People were like, Keanu Reeves, isn't he kind of a plank of wood? What is this about? It looks dumb.

It doesn't make any sense. I remember people laughing in the theatre when the trailers came out. I think maybe the effects weren't finished. But it's interesting as well because, I mean, he was in Speed like five years beforehand but we're like oh how his stars oh how your star has fallen keanu reeves you fool you're in chain reaction you simple simple fool but how and also you know what little did we know that chain reaction itself started a chain reaction of people running away from big blue sky beams very true you're not wrong just everything in this works yeah i'll talk about some of the casting choices later like even the things like

the fact that keanu reeves is and this is going to sound like an insult but it's not he's a dumb plank of wood yeah i mean he's he's befuddled and like bemused and confused and he's always like he's mostly just asking questions or just standing staring blankly because you would. It's very confusing. The Wachowskis knew who they were hiring. Exactly. But even Morpheus spends most of the movie explaining and it doesn't feel like massive exposition dumps.

Trinity's incredible. Agent Smith is incredible. I mean. A young, bright-eyed, bushy-tailed Hugo Weaving. Oh, mate. Really takes me back. I'm like, God, look at that fresh face. On the topic of Hugo Weaving, Ben, who edits these together,

he did a video specifically on the interrogation scene over on his channel. Right. I mean, it's an amazing scene, and if you want to hear somebody talk more eloquently about these movies or that scene in particular, it'll be linked below for people to check out. Let's talk about Bullet Time, Time though because we can't not. You know what I mean? I mean, you know, obviously The Matrix didn't pioneer it

nor did they perfect it. What perfected it was that episode of Sherlock. You know the wedding episode? It's just bullet time wedding photos all day. Well, you photos all day well you say yeah but it didn't you're right but it didn't pioneer but it did it did bring it into mainstream exactly and for those people who don't know very brief and you know incorrect and simple explainer bon jovi started it well no actually it was in a gap commercial like the year before yeah and some like it's cropped up over the years but it became like you know more well known here but essentially it's a series of still photos taken in like a circle or semi-circle all taken in unison which gives the illusion that you know something is

frozen in midair like hundreds or even thousands at a time and then they can sort of they can sort of assemble them in a computer in sequence yeah and sort of move back and forth in between frames and in between cameras. Yeah, exactly. To give the illusion that a person is stationary in the air or spinning around or what have you. Exactly. And also by the middle of 2002, fun fact,

the famous bullet time sequence had been spoofed in over 20 different movies. So just in those two years alone. Wow. That's too many. Yeah. But the fight scenes though, they all went through extensive training, months upon months doing so.

Hong Kong stunt coordinator Wu Ping-Yuen came on board, which is also not common for Western films of that era. And that's another thing that sets this apart. I divide Hollywood movie action sequences into pre-The Matrix and post-The Matrix. Where pre-The Matrix, there was a lot of sort of individual shots divide Hollywood movie action sequences into pre the matrix and post the matrix where pre the matrix, there was a lot of sort of individual shots of characters swinging a punch and a cut and another punch, then a reaction, then a cut. And whereas, whereas a role, maybe, maybe a role, maybe a double-handed punch. Sure. But, but the matrix sort of, you know of pioneered in Western cinema this very long sequences of moves with no cuts.

Yeah. So much training, so much choreography. So many tiles being chipped off walls. That's right. Yeah, I love it. And I think also it's interesting because there are so many fight scenes or action sequences, but they're all so unique.

It's not just punch up after punch up. I mean, in a way it just punch up after punch up i mean in a way it is punch up after punch up but if you look at like from the moment they hit the lobby to the end it's lobby to rooftop to helicopter to streets to subway to hallway and you know in probably that order yeah but each one of them is amazing you you know? I mean, the helicopter hitting the building and the ripple effect. The minigun minute, if you will. Oh, sure. Is this the origin of your famous segment, Minigun Minutes?

It could very well be. Obviously, you know, Neo uses it as part of his very subtle scheme to rescue Morpheus. He absolutely riddles a building with bullets. A bunch of agents hit and go down. But obviously, they didn't get squibbed, so zero out of ten. Yeah, but it's not a squibby kind of movie, Mason. Zero out of ten.

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It's a very squiddy movie. Squiddy rating 10 out of 10, obviously. The other thing is, like, we could talk about how Will Smith turned down the lead role to do Wild Wild West because when the movie was described to him, it was described weird, and he's like, I don't get this, I'm going to do a worse movie. That also happened to Sean Connery, right?

In the next one, yes. We could talk all day about how dull and generic the Sydney skyline is in this movie, and just the city? In the next one, yes. We could talk all day about how dull and generic the Sydney skyline is in this movie. And just the city in general. Get fucked, Sydney. We could talk all day about... Just kidding, Sydney. We love you. We could talk all day about how Keanu Reeves

trained with a neck brace after very invasive surgery, which is why all of his fighting is very upright and stilted. I didn't know anything about that. Yeah, and that's also why he does minimal kicks. Oh. You know what I mean? So, yeah, there's a bunch of behind-the-scenes footage of that.

We could talk about all of that, Mason, or we could talk about how maybe a lot of this was potentially stolen. Potentially, allegedly. Well, I mean, potentially and allegedly. And, you know, obviously this became something of a cultural phenomenon. Obviously you mentioned, you know, it inspired 20 bullet time sequences in copycat movies and homages and parodies and whatever. But obviously, because it became so popular and successful, a lot of people made claims of plagiarism against it.

Or they obviously took this shot from this. Or they obviously... And I think the Wachowskis have never claimed to... They've been open about their influences. They've talked about how it's a mix of kung fu action films and anime like Ghost in the Shell. Yes, exactly. And Thor K. Dick and Euromancer and all these other things.

And I feel like you can't really own the concept of a post-apocalyptic world or a ragtag group of resistance fighters or being trapped in a computer or... I bet there's someone who owns that like somebody owns Happy Birthday. Or maybe, that's true. The very concept of it. But, you know, a lot of this stuff is simply parallel thought, I think.

I think there are two notable cases of accusations of plagiarism. Yes. The first one is from a woman named Sophia Stewart, who was referred to some people as the mother of the Matrix because she claims she created the Matrix. Why didn't they call her the Oracle? Great question. Maybe the suing happened before the Oracle was revealed to be the mother of the Matrix.

Well, okay, so what happened was, according to her, she wrote a science fiction story called The Third Eye in the early 80s and she included like a screen treatment, like illustrations, character profiles, all this sort of stuff. And then in 1986 she opened up a magazine and she discovered apparently the Wachowskis were running a competition. They were accepting submissions of science fiction stories to give prizes to. And she submitted her story. She never heard back from anyone. And then years later, the Wachowskis created The Matrix. And she claims that they stole her concepts and put them to the

screen. Also included in the lawsuit was James james cameron because she claimed that uh she had also shopped the story around hollywood in the early 80s and it had never been purchased by anyone but james cameron had seen it and he made titanic from that's exactly right he well he made the terminator apparently based on those ideas so she was suing james cameron the wachowskis joel silver another producer for a combined total of one billion dollars bloody heck and i mean there were there were some holes in her story. First of all, she couldn't remember what the name of the magazine was that she submitted the story to.

Oh, so you cannot find this article anywhere? I feel, no, no, it's not around. Also, at the time in 1986, the Wachowskis would have been 18 and 21. Okay. So they were probably not in the business of being some sort of Hollywood science fiction story power brokers at that point. Okay, so that's something, isn't it? But there's another example that was in there which has kind of got a bit more weight behind it.

Yeah, well, there is a writer named Grant Morrison, and they are very prolific in the comic book industry. In the sort of early to mid-90s, they created a comic book called The Invisible, In the sort of early to mid-90s, they created a comic book called The Invisible, which again sort of contains elements like, you know, there is a sort of domineering force that is, you know, blinding the world to the true nature of, you know, what humanity is really dealing with.

And there's sort of a group of resistance fighters called the Invisible College, and they are fighting back against this sort of, you know, invading force. And the team is looking, in an early story, looking for a kind of the one, a kind of one person who might be able to upset the balance and change the reality. The leader is sort of like a bald-headed man with glasses

who at one point gets captured by the bad guys and interrogated. Some of the artwork is not dissimilar from some of the stylistic choices, I guess. I mean, The In invisibles contains a a lot of uh of ideas yeah hundreds if not thousands of ideas uh and so you might again you might say well you know obviously those you can't copyright but uh this is an interview with grant morris and this is from a magazine that nobody found no this this is actually this is actually uh part of an interview from the website Suicide Girls.

Okay. Where Grant was interviewed. Okay, and the interviewer asks, this may be, this is from I think the early 2000s, I think about 2005. The interviewer asks, this may be old news, but was the controversy over the Matrix films being like the Invisibles blown out of proportion? And Grant says, it's really simple. The truth of that one is that design staff on the Matrix were given Invisibles collections and told to make the movie look like my books. This is a reported fact. The Wachowskis are comic book creators and fans

and were fans of my work, so it's hardly surprising. I was even contacted before the first Matrix movie was released and asked if I would contribute a story to the website. It's not some baffling coincidence that so much of The Matrix is plot by plot, detail by detail, image by image lifted from the invisibles, so there shouldn't be much controversy. The Wachowskis nick the invisibles,

and everyone in the know is well aware of this fact, but of course they're unlikely to come out and say it. Grant is generally not really concerned that it was stolen, but more that the ideas were kind of watered down. They became more kind of sort of based around like Catholicism and a saviour and that sort of thing. Where the original stuff is kind of deeper and has more, just sort of more heft to it

and certainly more detail. And more kicks, right? So many more kicks. Because Keanu doesn't do that many kicks. Morrison then goes on to say I love the first Matrix movie, which I think is a real work of cinematic genius and very timely, but I've now heard from several people who worked on the Matrix and they've all confirmed that they were given Invisibles books as reference.

That's how it is. I'm not angry about it anymore, although at one time I was because they made millions from what was basically a Xerox of my work. And to be honest, I would be happy with just one million so I don't have to work 13 hours of every effing day, including weekends. I mean, Morrison has since gone on. I mean, and I think it is a case of kind of, you know. It's a bit of everything.

Yeah, it is a bit of everything. And I think any kind of legal action against the Wachowskis probably would have been, you know, ice skating uphill in the sense that Morrison published The Invisibles through Vertigo. Vertigo is an imprint of DC and DC is owned by Warner Brothers. And yet nevertheless, they seem to have worked it out sort of in the meantime because Morrison has gone on to do many, many more things for DC. But sort of in the meantime, because Morrison has gone on to do many, many more things for DC,

had like a very significant hand in the creation of sort of the modern day DC universe and the creative direction it's gone in. It seems to be in the modern day there is no bad blood between the groups, I think. It is interesting, though, that there's not really any mention of it since then. So it does feel like something was worked out, right? Well, yeah, it must be. I mean, but yeah, I mean, I always had an inkling about this. I'd not read this interview in many years. But in looking it up today, I'm like, did I make this up?

Because again, you know, Morrison worked and continues to contribute, not just in minor ways, but with, you know, writing for Batman and Superman and, you know, all the big guns of the DC universe. So, you know, I guess they worked something out. Here's something for you, Mason. Here's something I think everybody's excited for. Matrix-via. This is Matrix trivia.

Oh, this is Matrix-via? Matrix-via. Very good. Matrix-via? Yeah, I like it. Great. According to the Wachowskis, all animals in the Matrix universe are computer-generated images.

So none of your pets are real. Fuck you. That's great. Warner Brothers wanted Brad Pitt or Val Kilmer. Both of them turned down the role, and then they came to Keanu Reeves and Johnny Depp, but apparently Keanu Reeves wanted it more. Prior to that, in 1994,

they were very interested in casting Brandon Lee before his passing, which I could totally see. That would work. In this role, yeah. Mark Wahlberg was also considered. I do feel like, though, if they put Mark Wahlberg in, that would have bled over into the character and he would have never got the Matrix.

Like, he'd be in the fight at the end and they're like, use all your powers that we taught you. And he's like, what do you mean I'm in a computer? Anyway, that's the way I think it would have gone. I understand. Gillian Anderson turned down the role of Trinity. Russell Crowe turned down Morpheus. Jean Reno turned down Agent Smith for Godzilla at the time

because he didn't want to move to Australia, specifically Sydney, of course, for obvious reasons. We talked about it. God and Sydney. We love you. We love your harbour. We love your opera house. We do.

A lot of the sets were reused from Dark City, which came out the previous year, but Matrix was written technically before. Oh, are you staving off more accusations of plagiarism there? I don't know, mate. I mean, there's enough. It doesn't matter if I throw another one on top. That's too close as well.

Absolutely it is. They would have both been in production unless the Wachowskis and Alex Preece were having chats over the phone in which they were explaining what they were currently doing on their films. I don't think they either would have copped it or the other. Exactly. There was a deleted subplot that reveals five other versions of the one had appeared in the past,

all of whom died after attempting to fight the agents. Ah, I mean, and that is brought back in the sequels, yeah. That's it. And this is a fun bit of trivia, makes trivia to end on. Tasty wheat, which is mentioned when Mouse is trying to describe the food in the real world, was replaced by Sex Krispies in the German version of the movie. Is that true? Because I googled it and it just seems made up.

Sure does. It was in the trivia, though. Is tasty wheat a real product i couldn't really find i mean probably but that wasn't what i was googling i was googling sex krispies mason sex krispies german image search safe search off what's gonna happen now people like this movie i think a lot of the time because it's about a special boy who doesn't realize that he's the most special boy in the universe right it's It's a cinematic version of One Direction's That's What Makes You Beautiful.

That's right. He doesn't know that he's beautiful. But the thing about this is, which is really interesting in hindsight, and there are people who are well more versed in this topic than we are, is that there is a lot of trans messaging in this movie for those people who don't know the directors of which are trans which is really interesting in hindsight whether it be they're put there intentionally or not but there is a character called switch yes and originally that character was supposed to be male in the

real world and then female when they're in the matrix because the the the uh the matrix uh provides a digital image of your real self yes exactly, exactly. So I just thought that was really fascinating that there is stuff like that, you know, already baked into this, which you don't really pick up on at the time. Well, certainly I didn't. You know what I mean? I'm sure other people most likely did.

But I just think that's just like another layer to this, which just makes it an incredible movie. And it fascinates me that people are mad about that. Does that take away from your big kicks, does it? You're still a special boy. You're still a very special boy and you can do big kicks. Don't worry about it. It's fine.

I just want to quickly talk about the budget before we get on out of here, Mason. It cost $63 million. They were thinking of stripping the budget right back because the studio was like, what the fuck is this? Then they saw a cut of some of the scenes and were like, oh no, actually, this is great. And it ended up making $465 million, won a bunch of Academy Awards, and of course led into the very successful but not as beloved sequels.

That's right. And some various spin-off media. And that scene in Shrek where Princess Fiona jumps up in the air and does a Matrix kick. That's very true. That can't be denied. Anyways, this has been Caravan of Garbage. We do these every week.

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It normally comes out Monday, but there it comes out Sunday. That's right. I'm at MrSundayMovies on Twitter. I'm at WikipediaBrown on Twitter. I feel like I've missed a bunch of stuff about this movie. I could just talk about every aspect of it. Sometimes we do a very surface-level reading of a very complicated text.

That's it. And then we wake up late at night and we're like Ah! He did punches as well as kicks. I forgot to say. Ah. All right, but thanks for watching, everybody. He had all those guns. Yeah, he had all those guns. Oh, the guns he had.

Remember at the end, he had all those guns. Doesn't fire a gun in the other movies either. Huh. He didn't need lots of guns. Because he hurt his hands? No, because he... Too much hand hurting? No, he was a special boy.

He could do special flying abilities. Very special boy. Let's get out of here. All right, Grubbed Out Jeremy, guys. We'll see you next week. Goodbye. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates.

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