The Weekly Planet - The Punisher (2004) - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

In 2004 Marvel took another shot at making a Punisher live action adaptation after the success of Spider-Man, X-Men & Daredevil (I guess?), the Thomas Jane in the lead role. Also acting as his Year One original story it pits him against John Travolta and a family of mobsters who had his entire extended family un-alived (that's for YouTube censorship) after Frank Castle acted out a truely bizarre undercover pantomime drug deal. It's fairly melodramatic and drawn out but it does boast one of the greatest scenes in cinematic history. Thanks for watching our Caravan Of Garbage reviewSUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.coQm/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Welcome back everybody to another episode of Caravan of Garbage where we're talking about the Punisher movies. That's right. And we've hit the midpoint of the trilogy. The trilogy. The trilogy. Oh yeah. These are all set in the same universe?

Yeah sure, why not? This one came out in 2004. The trilogy. The trilogy. The trilogy. Oh yeah. These are all set in the same universe? Yeah sure, why not. This one came out in 2004. It stars one Thomas Jane as the titular Punisher slash Frank Castle. He wants you to leave a like on this video. He personally does. He contacted me and he said, James, this is the only thing in the world that I want. Is he on Cameo?

Can we get that? Can we make that happen? Let's have a look. Okay. Oh fuck no. No he's not? We can get IOI to do it. For free? For free I think. Can we get that? Let's have a look. Okay. Oh, fuck no. No he's not? We can get IOI to do it.

For free? For free I think. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Or we could just get a static photo of him and have the lips move and go, hello, I'm Cobb or Joan. So there you go, that's where we're at. Now James, Google says in a nutshell this movie is thrilling, graphic and hateful. Would you agree with that?

Look man, I- It's long. Yeah, I- It's too long. I thought I liked this. Go on. And re-watching it, God, it's, he doesn't know a lot of the punishing. He does a lot of driving around and getting people parking tickets

and moving fire hydrants and spying. He's like a treacherous eunuch. Yeah, he is. He really is. Again, this one, like the last one we talked about, the one from 1989, He's like a he's like a treacherous eunuch. Yeah Again this this one like the last one we talked about the one from 1989 Yeah, this one diverts from tradition once again He is a soldier in this one like that with his origin was that he was a soldier but in Afghanistan Yeah, but the majority of his his his life seems to be that he was an FBI He spent a long time deep cover as an FBI agent.

With beautiful blonde hair. Well in this one he's got beautiful blonde hair and the world's longest cigarette. See how long that cigarette was? I don't remember. Go back and have a look. It's so long. But he's spent a lot. By the start of this movie he spent a long time masquerading as some sort of vaguely Eastern European arms dealer called Otto Krieg. And the action takes off when the successful conclusion of this sting operation where he is gonna sell

some weapons to some underworld figures, the FBI emerge from their hiding places and they place everybody under arrest. And then Frank Castle's like, you know, it'd be a really funny idea. You know, it would really work well. I would really sell this that I'm a, you know, a big time arms dealer.

Long cigarettes. Is if you just machine gun me to death, just then and there. This is my last one before I retire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's just, let's blow the budget on squibs and blood bags. I know we've never done this before. And operationally, this would be a nightmare.

But if you could just openly machine gun me and then hopefully one of the guys will get spooked and pull a gun and then You can kill him then and there and then hopefully he's the son of a big-time mob boss Who will want to get revenge on me? Hopefully? I mean, I hope so because as long as the movie won't happen, honestly Let's have fun with this one. Let's have fun with this. That's madness. Just get him, why would you do that? I don't know. You wouldn't.

I mean, I guess he wanted to disappear entirely and the safest way to do that is to pretend that he's dead. Just take your wig off. Yeah, well actually that's Thomas Jane's real hair. I looked into it. I did like that. Well then put a wig on. Put a wig on, man.

Easy, but instead, it's his last case he gets a you know He's put put the bad guys away, and then he decides as part of his retirement He's gonna have they're gonna have the full castle family reunion So in this version of the the tail it isn't just his his wife and kids that are killed in Central Park in front Of him by the mob's extended family everybody. Everybody. Just his cousins. Friends of friends. Yep. Dogs. That's right. Yeah. They get them all. Roy Scheider. Roy Scheider's in this.

From Sequest DSV. And that's all. This says Sequest DVD, which I think is a typo, but Roy Scheider from my Sequest DVDs? Oh my god, he's there too? But James, not before his son presents him with a little present, a little retirement present. You hate this, don't you? I hate it so much. A little symbol of his love. They're on holiday in the Bahamas or something, or Noosa, I don't know. And he's like, Dad, I found you this. A little gift. It's wards off evil spirits. It's a t-shirt with the Punisher logo on it.

It'll also get everybody else in your family killed, but you'll be okay. That's right. You'll get shot in the chest. Ten times. Yeah, that's fine. That's right. But I hate it. There doesn't need to be a reason.

Skulls are scary, you should just put the skull on. I agree with you on that. You just get a t-shirt with the skull on it. I like Thomas Jane as the Punisher, but I think there's a lot of melodrama in this, and it does feel very drawn out. I remember the fight where he fights the giant Popeye. Mm-hmm, yes. Which is incredible. It's an incredible sequence. Might be the best thing in any film. Well what it's interesting you said that about melodrama

because this is based in part on a storyline called Welcome Back Frank written by Garth Ennis who later went on to create The Boys and he's done one of my favorite DC comic series Hitman. I think he's a great writer in certain circumstances, but this Back-end compliment this is one of this was from the Punisher max imprint the Marvel max imprint Yeah, which was their grittiest and dirtiest and rudest and most violent Dong's Dong's and blood and blood coming to Dong's You wouldn't even believe it so it's weird that so much of this is kind of yeah This movie doesn't really know what it wants to be

Does it want to be incredibly cruel and violent or does it want to be kind of slapsticky? Does it want to be kind of does it want to be cartoony? Does it want to be you know does spend a lot of time with John Travolta? I remember this era of John Travolta's wigs. Well, that's his character from Swordfish. Exactly. But he's shaved off his soul patch. He's shaved off his soul patch and he hasn't got the frosted tips that he had going on there.

Not a strong villain and you do spend a lot of time with him. This is a John Travolta movie. Big time. Which can be a good thing sometimes. Yeah, Saturday Night Fever. Exactly. The sequel to that. But yeah, so just quickly to get back to his family, Roy Scheider is neighbors, or was neighbors

because he's passed, with director Jonathan Hensley. So he did this just to hang out with his neighbor. I guess so, yeah. Speaking of, the director wanted $64 million for this but he got $33 million which meant he had to rewrite a lot of it. So in the version he would love to have done, there'd be even more driving around in cars and putting even more parking tickets on cars. No, I think they had to write around the fact

that they couldn't do a bunch more action sequences. That's what I think it comes down to. Which is ridiculous because Thomas Jane trained for seven months with the United States Navy Seals and gained 20 pounds of muscle. Damn, he's looking big, but not as big as the next Punisher. We're gonna talk about all the previous one. Who I'm assuming did no working out

Did Ray Stevenson do any work out? He's just big he's just a he's got just got an imposing vibe. Do you like how his dad gave him his the Punisher guns? What about that? I like that. So you're okay with that are you? No He's like I made these guns and I made them extra special for you Hey should we use these while our family's being killed en masse by by mobsters? Nah, just leave them in the case I reckon guns guns guns. Yeah, you know what? I didn't like in this and but then I found out it was in the comic book He there's a moment where he does pretend torture on a guy and I'm like, yes do real torture again

It comes back to that thing you said of like what is this trying to be? Is this supposed to be gritty and violent? Which sometimes it is and I guess he was only using fake torture on the guy because he needed that guy to do all this stuff Yeah, well, that's actually also from the comic Punisher Wars on number one from 1992 So that's why that's in there. So I guess I'm like, okay fine I guess I feel like Garth and his Punisher would just just kill him just just blow torture guy. Absolutely Yeah at one point also There's a moment where he's just out talking to somebody in a park and he's wearing a purple shirt and having a takeaway coffee And then again, it's like I don't know what this is

I don't know what's happening. Maybe Thomas James just getting a takeaway coffee and they're like we've got the cameras out We should film this and he's wearing his purple shirt. We love that. He's famous punish your purple shirt. Yeah, did you love I? Just tells everybody's alive. He just turns up and goes hello. I'm here. Don't do that I mean he hadn't done being shot a bunch of times isn't a crime. No, it's not a crime, but don't you want people to not know that you're coming? Like why are you sneaking around? No, you do what... that's... I mean, he's not... That's part of the punishing?

He's not the shadow, is he? No, I guess. He's not the Batman when he's sneaking around. He's the guy with a bunch of guns. They weren't afraid of him. They weren't like, oh shit, this guy's coming. It's true. He should have done something real scary.

Yeah, that wouldn't bother at all. Yeah, he should have dressed up as a ghost. Yeah, exactly Did you like the fact that Frank Castle was shot like ten times? Mm-hmm, and then he just went to that that mysterious doctor guy on the island the guys like all right Yeah, apparently I've got a limp now. I don't yeah, I don't have it anymore according to this movie He recovered from all those gunshots in five months. That's great. I don't you couldn't do that. Maybe I couldn't but the Punisher could. I guess that's probably true that's why he's the Punisher. Yeah but look I want to get back to the um the fight that he has with giant Popeye. Oh yeah

sure. The Russian who's a comic book character. I really think this is like artistic representation at its peak. This is not a joke. I genuinely think this is the best thing that's ever happened. Maybe just ever in the world. Mm-hmm And just that the idea that you know, he burst into the room It starts with the Punisher trying to close the door on him and he punches a hole through the door and then it's just Just just fucking looney tunes, but just incredible violence and he's just trying and trying And it just keeps getting keeps getting knocked back. It is fun because prior in the movie we see a little montage where he sets up his living space with a bunch of hidden guns and grenades or whatever. It just all proves completely futile.

Yeah exactly and there is a moment where you see him get thrown into the corridor and he hits the wall and it's Thomas Jane. You see him like I think it's amazing also the Russian this character makes an appearance in Deadpool and Wolverine So not this exact but it's Kevin Nash It's not Kevin Nash who apparently Thomas Jane actually stabbed in this as well And he was just he said the worst part was that he was really nice about it. Okay Now how did you now that's obviously the the probably the most memorable set piece of this. How did you feel subsequent to this when the Punisher fights the other guy, Johnny Cash. Johnny Cash with a gun.

Oh yeah! Johnny Cash with a gun and a car. That was alright I guess. Yeah it was pretty good. I mean a good thing he got that car. Right. For a minute. Good thing he had that montage where he built the super armoured car and then he used it

for a minute. Absolutely yeah. And the guy was like well now you're at a car, I'm gonna get you. And then the punish is like, yeah, but what if I had a knife that shot the blade out like a gun? Yeah, you bought a knife to a gunfight. No, I bought a knife that shoots a knife. That's right, it's like a knife gun. BetterHelp Online Therapy bought this 30 second ad to remind you right now, wherever you are, to unclench your jaw. Relax your shoulders. Take a deep breath in and out. Feels better, right? That's

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He's got a bunch of little robots one of which who they're all from the comic books Yep, one of whom a name I will not repeat. Mm-hmm. You shouldn't have been able to say it then you can't say it now I do love the fact that one of the characters in the comics her name is Joan the Mouse Because of how plain and nondescript she is and in this they're like what better cast Rebecca What if she was super good looking though man? Yeah, maybe yeah. The punisher would like that or he wouldn't Yeah, but anyway, but again like in the comic books I feel like it's pitched as like these kind of three kind of down and outs and they're really struggling and what-have-you But in this it just feels

Like friends just might hang it out. No, but I mean friends though. Oh friends the sitcom sitcom friends just friends hanging out They're there three really big coffee cups from being friends. I feel I agree Yeah, maybe that's all they're trying to do. They're trying to recruit Thomas Jane and get some more friends Yeah, and then you know the the bad guys shop at the place and like we need info on the Punisher We're gonna torture you. Yeah, we're gonna I'm gonna sort of cut your face a little bit. Yeah, I feel bad now Mmm, my face has been cut a little bit and the Punisher's was just like just down a bit. It was down low He was yeah, but he's all right. Yeah, he had enough energy in the tank though to get to the end So there so he does again

He spends a lot of the time trying to get back at John Travolta by basically turning him against his inner circle, which results in him convincing him that his right hand man is having an affair with his wife. His right hand man is actually gay, which John Travolta doesn't know. So he ends up killing both of them. And he kills the guy's other son. Oh yeah, he does that as well. Yeah. That's a great moment where John Travolta goes, you killed my son. And then you hear the explosion and he goes both Oh yeah, he does that as well. That's a great moment where John Travolta goes, you killed my son and then you hear the explosion and he goes, both of them. I think that's good. It's actually really convenient.

You said you killed my son just then because you didn't know this. But I set up like a mine. Do you remember like Miles Dyson in Terminator 2? Yeah, I said that. Very similar if you've seen that. I can imagine you have. It's a classic action movie movie

Yeah, but then that explosion was actually your son exploding So thank you for saying you kill my son then because then I could deliver that an epic line there Yeah, I really deflated you there if somebody handed me a bomb and was like, oh, see how long you can hold this up for I'd immediately drop it. Yeah kill both of us. That's what I'd do. Yeah. Well, you're not a character I'm not a character in a movie not yet yet. I know also, I remember you not liking this when we saw it to the movies. That's right. You saw this at the movies, if you can even believe it, Mason. That's right. This sort of thing used to be at the movies. That's right. You could go. There's a moment where John Travolta gets dragged kicking and

screaming through an exploding car park. And the exploding cars make the Punisher skull. And you hate that for some reason. I hate that. Why? I don't know, man. It's because it's for the audience and you don't like the audience? Yeah.

You don't respect our audience? No. Okay. Yeah, fair enough. But why though? Why don't you like that? I don't know. Look, I guess, look, obviously it's symbolic, you know?

Yeah. And if I looked at it in a symbolic way, I'd be like, oh, of course, it's the birth of him as the Punisher, you know? Yeah! If I looked at it in a symbolic way, I'd be like, oh of course, it's the birth of him as the Punisher, you know? Exactly. His campaign. That's what this whole thing is, you think he's gonna shoot himself at the end but he doesn't.

That's right, his war on crime's never gonna end, but in a literal sense I'm like, how do you have time to set that up? Wasn't he doing all those parking tickets and stuff? How do you have time to set up those literal cars to explode in that exact sequence? I know he didn't really. I know he didn't really, James. It's, James. But I will not budge on this. Maybe he had a bloke. Maybe he had a bloke to do it. Here's some miscellaneous notes. It's fun that Travolta's character smokes a pipe in one scene.

Oh my god, I nearly didn't mention that. That is good. And he doesn't smoke it again. There's just one moment where he smokes a pipe. That's an on a day decision. I reckon Travolta was like, what can my character do that sets him apart from other mob bosses? What if he smokes a pipe? What if you had a cowboy hat? What if he what sets this guy apart from my character in Swordfish? Sammy Swordfish master cyber hacker. Well, what if he smoked a pipe? That's perfect But and he'd have to shave his soul patch in order to smoke the pipe for the pipe. Yeah, that's perfect. That's lovely There's a moment where Travolta gives

his wife some diamond earrings. And it's clearly a promotion from the Harry Winston jewelry chain. And I'm like real chat is it? Yeah, it's a real it's a real company. Um, I'd like you would have had to go to this Harry we got we had to go to the Harry Winston, the head of Harry Winston, who I'm presuming is named Harry Winston. And they're like, hey, can you be the jeweler of choice of like a guy who has just sent a bunch of mobsters to kill an entire family, including kids and stuff? And they're like, yeah, we're Harry Winston. We love that.

We love that actually. Is this guy rich? Yeah. That's perfect. Where do you think we get our diamonds from? That's right. That's right, blood diamonds, Mace. I don't know. I'm making a statement. Wow. Diamonds, you know? But that's perfect. Where do you think we get our diamonds from? That's right. That's right. Blood diamonds, I'm making a statement

Diamonds, you know, but that's not a joke though. Is it not as good as you think for legal reasons as a joke? Is it what you've said is a joke for legal reasons everything we say is a joke I don't know why you think this is a joke. This is clearly not a joke. Nothing everything else No, nothing else we've done has been a joke. So Speaking of not a joke mission missionation, it's time for the trivia show. This is the trivia section of the show where I tell you some trivia and you have to just sit there and just drink it in. I don't have to sit there, I can protest.

We'll see how good this trivia is. Director Jonathan Hensley actually- Maybe I'll go on a journey of revenge because how bad your trivia is. Oh, don't do that. That's right. And at the end, maybe'll maybe think about shooting myself, and then I'll be like, nah, other YouTubers have bad trivia segments.

I'll go after them as well, you know? They do, don't they? Yeah. Director Jonathan Hensley actually knew someone who parked illegally for two years in Manhattan by using the same bogus fire hydrant Ploy Frank Castle uses. Oh yeah, he had that fake fire hydrant,

I forgot about that. In a bag! Why, see that's... Classic The Punisher. I guess it's classic The Punisher. I bet it's from an issue of The Punisher. I bet it is. You're absolutely right. But why choose that of all the moments?

Yeah. You know what he could have done? What? Shot her with a gun. I agree. Wait until she comes out and shoot her with a gun. Bang, gotcha. And then call up John Travolta's character and be like, I shot her with a gun.

Yeah. That's right. And he goes, what? And he drops his pipe. Yeah, he drops his pipe and he's like, how am I I get those Harry Winston earrings back if you shot away with a gun Speaking of the earrings that Howard said gives to his wife or not props for real Harry Winston diamonds valued at 1 million dollars I knew it. I knew it Thomas Jane's discolored thumbnail was a result of him slamming it in a door

It's nothing to with the story. He just slammed in a door and that's cool. What are your wager war against doors then? Yeah, you could just have the door show. What are you gonna set a big bomb in doors galore? What do you say doors? We're doing too many specific Australian references this year. I bet there is a business in every country on God's green earth called doors galore because it's a simple rhyme and it's fun

and it's fun to say it say yourself Tours galore say about it a good time. That's right The door store. It's one of those as well. I bet I have to say this Rebecca remain and Ben Foster X-Men Oh, yeah, cuz someone will be like you didn't even I fucking know I know I'd always know these things But do you consider that now you're pandering to that exact person? Yeah So you can't win. can't win they've won Yeah, you should go on an all-out war against these kind of people You should track their IP addresses and then think about killing myself

But they're not because there's always more annoying people out there. They never end do they? This is interesting based I want to talk about this every week because in the previous Punisher movie We mentioned the Dolph Lundgren version kills 60 people. Okay in this because I think it's around 23 so that's way less but when you consider ultimately he is responsible for his entire family getting killed because he did that weird Theater kids stunt at the start. He's like squid me up though. Those all counter records Have you added those up? You reckon he's up there. I reckon he'd be closer. Okay, I agree.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, cool. Great. Kids count as one or just a half? I think they count as one. It depends on the kid. Yeah, it's true. I think it's like getting on a ride.

There's like a height restriction. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Box office for this on a budget of $33 million that made 54.7. So not a huge hit, but when it was released on DVD in September of 2004 it sold nearly 2 million copies in its first 5 days. It was a big hit on DVD. A secret was planned but nobody involved could agree on an idea. Thomas Jane did reprise his role though as the Punisher.

I don't think I've talked about it enough in this. He's good. I like him. He's a good The Punisher. He's not the biggest The Punisher as mentioned but like John Barenthal is not like a huge The Punisher. My favourite Pun the biggest The Punisher as mentioned, but like John Berenthal is not like a huge The Punisher. That's true, yeah. Yeah, my favorite Punisher I think we'll talk about maybe next week, Mason, maybe Mason. Just a rotten made man, just making everyone have the worst time.

Is it The Pun Fisher? Yes, that's very good. Oh, but he's a real guy. I know, it's the animal special universe. He's from the Spider-Ham universe. I know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a fish.

Yeah, so Thomas Jane actually voiced The Punisher in the 2005 video game. That's a bit of fun if you want to check it out. And of course there is a quasi-direct sequel which I guess for licensing purposes can't specifically be called The Punisher. Starring Thomas Jane called Dirty Laundry which is a much more comic accurate and brutal version of that character. It's on YouTube.

It's just a- For now. Yeah, it's well worth checking out if you like The Punisher or this movie. So yeah, James, I think I've made my opinion on this movie pretty clear. It's okay. Yeah.

But again, like you said, the joy of The Punisher is that he's gone way too far. And he's using these military tactics against the mob. Like you said, he should have killed a bunch more people. Yeah. So many more people. Also- He makes up for it in the next one. Yeah, and I also like and again We'll talk about next week that everybody hates the punisher like good guys bad guys whenever he turns up everyone's like oh this fucking guy Oh, this is gonna be awful. Yeah. Yeah, no matter what's happening. Hey Frank. Could you use rubber bullets this time? No

I'm gonna use extra pointy bullets just cause you said that, Spider-Man. He would have done it anyway, but yeah. You would have done it anyway, Frank, I would have. Anyways, we are gonna come back next week to talk about Punisher Warzone. That's right. Another reboot in this franchise. I would say criminally underseen.

Absolutely. You can actually see that early if you head over to BigSandwich.co where in addition to that we do a bunch of stuff. We do video game let's plays. We're going to be looking at the Punisher side scrolling action adventure game which also stars Nick Fury. Yeah. And if we get enough Big Sandwich subscriptions we're going engaged in a two-man war against crime. Correct! Because there's always more

crime. There's also just a bit of fun. In addition to that we do movie commentaries, we do bonus podcasts, also our podcast The Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows that comes out there early on Sunday as opposed to Monday but if you don't check out, we talk the movie or TV show of the week and all the big entertainment news. That's right. I mean, Dead Devil Born Again is out now. Punisher makes a return in that.

That's right. We'll talk about that. Yep. We'll talk about how many guys he shoots. That's got its own YouTube channel. It's on Spotify. It's on Apple. It's on all of them.

Is he finally going to fire that minigun? Do it! Because in all the promos, remember that? Do it, the Punisher. I remember that, yeah. He's just wandering around with it. You see it? There's a big establishing shot.

It's on a big pile of money or something. I remember. That looks pretty cool. I'll use that one day. No, you won't, you liar. He's a big liar. Yeah. I'd rather he shot Daredevil with it.

I hope he shoots Daredevil with it. Wow. Yeah. I hope he John Baron falls into a bin. Huh? The actor Wow. Yeah. Wow. Wow. All right. Thanks everyone. I'll grab that Jimmy guys. We'll see you next week. Goodbye Better help online therapy bought this 30 second ad to remind you right now Wherever you are to unclench your jaw. Relax your shoulders. Take a deep breath in and out. Feels better, right? That's 15 seconds of self-care. Imagine what you could do with more.

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