The Weekly Planet - The Rocketeer - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: September 21, 2023

Before Captain America: The First Avengers director Joe Johnston brought us The Rocketeer. Second in our series of pulpy/throwback comic back adaptations (that failed) this adaptation takes us back t...o the 1930s, an era with rocket powered heros, thin moustachioed villians and swashbuckling action. Intended to kick off a new Indiana Jones styled adventure series it fell short of Disney's expectations and is largely forgotten despite being quite a fun ride. Thanks for watching our Caravan Of Garbage review!SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:32 that they're not alone. Help CAMH build a future where no one is left behind. So, who will you rise for? Register today at sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. Welcome back, everybody, to Caravan of Garbage where we're making our way through a series of movies Well it's not a series, they're individual films That's right
Starting point is 00:00:55 That failed on their own merit Absolutely But they have a vague thing in common sort of You know it when you see it This is the you know it when you see it series It's sort of old and some of them really are old and some of them only look old some of them like the concept is kind of old yep yep i mean all of them though yep you have to leave a like on that is true that is the law that is the law yeah my goodness mason and i guess the law that links this movie to dick
Starting point is 00:01:21 tracy is you also thought it was old you said to hey, let's do a bunch of stuff based on all the old stuff. Dick Tracy, the 30s, The Phantom, the 30s. The Rocketeer, that's probably from the 30s. And I said, James, you fool. You absolute buffoon. That's right. I'm airing out a dirty laundry on this video. And I said, James, that's probably from the 80s or something.
Starting point is 00:01:40 And it is probably from the 80s. It is exactly from the 80s, yeah. Yeah. Well, do you want to do a bit of backstory on the rocketeer well look i mean you are not entirely wrong in the i mean you were entirely wrong i was being too merciful yeah i was gonna say because you've already had quite a lot of dirty laundry okay literally also you've bought me your washing that's penance that's true but look by coincidence, there were a bunch of like Rocket Men style adventures sort of from the 40s and 50s.
Starting point is 00:02:09 And Elton John. That's true. The King of the Rocket Men. Commando Cody, who's the Rocket King of the Universe or something. Do you remember that one? No. Well, anyway. Because I'm not 100 years old, Mason.
Starting point is 00:02:20 Jesus. This guy. So gone. Wow, that's 100-year-old man erasure. That's a real kick in the guts to me, a 100-year-old man that looks really good for 100, but not good for whatever, however, it doesn't matter. Anyway, so comic book writer and artist Dave Stevens
Starting point is 00:02:36 was asked by the owners of the publishing company Pacific Comics, now defunct, to do some backup stories in one of their main comic books. They said, David, we need some backup stories, David. David. David. If you're not too busy, David. We don't have time. We're busy driving this company to the ground.
Starting point is 00:02:54 We're making 3D comics or something. Oh, why? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, to drive the company to the ground. Oh, perfect. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, he came up with the concept of the Rocketeer, again, based on these kind of old Rocket Men style serials. And again, where I was going with this, to give you some credit,
Starting point is 00:03:08 even though you're wrong and you're a fool and a buffoon, this has the absolute exact flavour of that. Like, it feels very authentic. Definitely. You know what I mean? You're talking specifically the comic, but also the movie, right? What I think is incredible about this is the cast, for one. So often when we're
Starting point is 00:03:26 watching like a period piece we like to judge the casting or the characters by if they look like they could identify the specific portable music player that was popular at the time it was filmed absolutely does that make sense it absolutely does you're watching you're watching amsterdam and you're looking at these actors and you're like, do they know what an iPhone looks like? You know what I mean? Do any of these people? Do they have a Spotify account?
Starting point is 00:03:52 I bet they do. Do they put out their best Spotify songs on Twitter every year? Is that what they're doing? That's exactly right. Okay, so James, Christian Bale knows what an iPod looks like? I would say not in that movie and also not in real life. Yeah, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:05 John David Washington. Yeah. Yeah, he does. He grew up with Denzel Washington. Yeah, yeah. He had all the technology. Yeah. He probably had laser discs.
Starting point is 00:04:13 Yeah, that's right. You know? Margot Robbie? Kind of a chameleon, you know? Even though she is Australian, I get lost in the roles that she does. Yeah, right. So I'm going to say she can pull off that look. I think she knows what an iPod looks like and she had like one of those pink finished you're thinking of barbie
Starting point is 00:04:28 barbie isn't it is literally coloring your mind that's true anya taylor joy i don't even know what she is where's she from i don't know the chameleon this cast yeah you're right uh looks like she plays all her music off wax cylinders to this very day absolutely but what is it like haunting ghost noises or something what is it like haunting ghost noises or something absolutely no it's haunting ghost noises it's like a creaking ship yeah like nymphs sirens like sirens singing their haunting song to get sailors to crash into a reef or whatever unsettling laughter yeah yeah yeah just doors closing in a weird way hey send us your playlist daniel taylor, send it to us.
Starting point is 00:05:05 And I feel like looking at this cast, even though a lot of them are very recognisable, is that nobody here knows what a Walkman is. No, absolutely not. It's the haircuts. It's the moustaches. Yes. It's the aesthetic. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:17 And, you know, and again, it's like it's Alan Arkin and Timothy Dalton and Jennifer Connelly. Alan Arkin doesn't know what a Walkman looks like now. Well, I think he's dead. Well, he definitely doesn't now. Depends. Yeah. Depends what goes on in the afterlife. I mean, as far as I know, they have Walkmans in heaven.
Starting point is 00:05:32 It's those yellow sports Walkmans. Oh, they would. Yeah, they would. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, no, this is a great cast, I think. Yeah. And look, he's not really like a, he didn't become like a leading man in the way that a lot of guys from this era might have.
Starting point is 00:05:47 But Cliff Secord, as played by Billy Campbell, I think he does a really good job. Initially, they were going to go with some bigger names. But Joe Johnston, who I want to talk about as well, who directed this, he wanted somebody who more embodies the part physically and also in spirit. And the haircut, obviously.
Starting point is 00:06:04 The haircut's really important. Very important. When you take the helmet off, it has to reform into its correct shape immediately. That's right. And you might be like, well, just give him a buzz cut. Well, that's not. That's not in the comic. Right?
Starting point is 00:06:15 It's a floppy kind of, you know. He's a young man. He's a youngish man. He's going to the sock hop, probably. He's going to the malt shop. Yep. He's going to a malt shop sock hop. That's right. He's putting on a record. That's right. He's not to the sock hop probably. He's going to the malt shop. He's going to a malt shop sock hop. That's right. He's putting on a record.
Starting point is 00:06:28 He's not putting on a headphone with a tape. He's not putting on one of those metal over the head headphones and they've got the soft like the foam. I hate those. He's not putting on one of those ones that's got the radio built in on the side. I hate those. I still think they're cool. They're not cool.
Starting point is 00:06:44 But yeah, I think the idea of putting Joe Johnston behind this, and if you don't know him, he did a lot of special effect and design work on the original Star Wars. For example, he created the look of Boba Fett. Oh. Yeah, which is pretty incredible. He's got a rocket pack. He's got a rocket pack.
Starting point is 00:06:58 He's got a rocket pack, everybody. He also directed Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. He directed Jumanji. He directed a bunch of stuff in between. And then he directed Captain America, the first Avenger. Absolutely, that's right. Which in a lot of ways is just like, fuck it, I'm making the Rocketeer again. Do you think when he first came on set for the Rocketeer,
Starting point is 00:07:17 he was like, okay, so here's the deal with the Rocketeer. We've done a sort of slight tweak of the costume and the rocket pack. Looks incredible. Now we're going to give him five minutes of screen time and and he's going to fly directly into a jet turbine and die you know like boba fett did like boba fett did yeah but just i feel like the look of this movie and the casting is just perfect all around timothy dalton as this kind of evil errol flynn oh yeah there we go sorry i jumped on that but I just want to say this. Minus being a Nazi, even though Errol Flynn did have a
Starting point is 00:07:48 real life mate who turns out was a Nazi, but he might not have known because he was a spy. Okay, sure. But yeah, terrible person. Don't get me wrong. He just might not have been a Nazi. Terrible person. Openly. Yeah, terrible person but apparently not terrible enough that we won't
Starting point is 00:08:04 still claim him as an Australian. Yeah. He was in that Robin Hood movie, you know. Oh, great point. We'll take it. But yeah, he's just got this perfect level of charisma but also slime to him, Timothy Dalton. The most sinister hairline you'll see in a movie. Absolutely. And just pulls off that tweedly
Starting point is 00:08:19 thin moustache like no one else can. There's a moment where he's in front of the mirror and he's wearing like the Robin Hood-esque wig. Because there's also a moment in this's in front of the mirror and he's wearing like the Robin Hood-esque wig because there's also a moment in this where he's just, it looks like he's just making the movie Robin Hood, like the one from the 30s, and he whips off the Robin Hood wig and then he's just got the hairline in the face
Starting point is 00:08:35 and it's just like, damn, this guy's killing it. I can see why he's James Bond sort of, I think, but a more sinister James Bond, you know? Like James Bond if he was a sharpened pencil, but he was sharpened too much, you know? That's what he's like. Yeah. But, you know, other people turn up like Paul Savino.
Starting point is 00:08:53 Yes. Who, of course, was also in Dick Tracy. That's right. And also there's a guy with a really big face. Oh, my God. Look, I don't have the actor's name. I'll bring it up. You can look it up.
Starting point is 00:09:02 But, my goodness, just a classic goon, just a classic monstrous goon that you'll punch in the chest and he just won't feel it. You wouldn't see a big goon bend a guy in half to death in a kid's movie these days. You know what I mean? He does it like twice in this movie. Absolutely he does.
Starting point is 00:09:19 His name is Tiny Ron Taylor. Wow. His parents probably named him when he was a baby, when he was quite tiny. Maybe he was tiny and it's all camera trickery, you know. Maybe. And that's movies. You're not wrong.
Starting point is 00:09:29 That is movies. You just can't tell. It's movies are just basically just lying. I hope people know that. It's just lies. Oh, that says that he's just a bunch of cats taped together. But I think also like some of the design elements of this, like the jetpack itself. What a beautiful piece of machinery.
Starting point is 00:09:43 Yeah, it had a pretty comprehensive redesign from the one in the comic books where it's more like just a big bullet, like a big squat bullet with a couple of kind of UFO-style rings around it. But I think this design works way better. Completely agree. Is that because I saw the movie before I read the comic books? Who knows? Maybe there are purists out there who are like,
Starting point is 00:10:03 no, bring back the, I've made an edit where I put in the original rocket pack in the movie before I read the comic books? Who knows? Maybe there are purists out there who are like, no, bring back the, I've made an edit where I put in the original rocket pack in the movie. And by that I mean I've cut it out of the comic book and I've stuck it on my TV and I'm moving around. Oh, so it's not like deep fake but for rocket packs. No. And obviously the specific mechanics of it, they don't work.
Starting point is 00:10:21 Like even if it is designed like they say it is where it does not overheat so it will not explode, like it would just burn your bum right up really. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If I had one criticism, yeah, it doesn't have a butt covering plate or some sort of, like they mentioned it's sort of, you know, you mentioned it's sort of a double-walled system to prevent it from heating up too much.
Starting point is 00:10:39 Some sort of double-walled double buttock cover? Yeah. Like some sort of steel buttock cup that you put on your buttocks i mean it that wouldn't look cool you'd have to build it under the pants you know or make it part of the the equipment because the thing about this thing though is it's so dangerous like even within this movie and the world it's like the worst thing you could fly like you couldn't pick a worse thing to just get around on. That's true. Even if you know what you're doing.
Starting point is 00:11:06 That's true. I mean, it looks spectacular. I think all the flying in this is, for the most part, there's some, you know, you can see some compositing, you know, going on. But I think they match the speed of the footage they shot with, you know, the Rocketeer himself really well. I think that works for the most part. Also in this movie, like great production design,
Starting point is 00:11:25 great costumes, just some beautiful death traps of planes out there. You know the, what's it called? The GB? The first one. The first one, the yellow one.
Starting point is 00:11:33 It looks like a shoemason. It looks more like a boat than a plane. What were they thinking with that? The moment where he crash lands it and they smash the landing gear off. Yeah. Now presumably that's all wired, like it's not a real plane stunt. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Looked like one. Yeah, but just really impressive stuff. I agree. Yeah. I also like in this how the Nazis, who they're after. Wait, wait, stop there. Okay. You like how the Nazis.
Starting point is 00:11:59 How they made a little cartoon. I know that is, that's undeniably pretty good. They're like, look, we're going to do some world domination, but we need to sell this. In secret, in secret. We need to sell this to the younger demographic, you know? But, you know, as a piece of, like, propaganda, and maybe they send it over to Timothy Dalton to be like,
Starting point is 00:12:15 this will convince him. He's a man of acting. He can appreciate animation, no doubt. He's probably friends with Walt Disney, who maybe was also a Nazi sympathiser, maybe Mason. Whoa. I hope I'm not saying anything too controversial that I'll get cancelled. I think you're not saying anything controversial enough.
Starting point is 00:12:31 Okay. So ramp it up. Ramp it up? I'll just cut out the bit where you said I thought the Nazis were cool or whatever that was. Oh, now I've said it. Oh, no. Nobody make a fan cam out of that. So you've got your Nazis.
Starting point is 00:12:44 You've got your FBI. You've got your mob. They're all your FBI, you've got your mob. They're all after it. I have a note here. I saw in the credits Terry O'Quinn was going to be in this. You know, Terry O'Quinn
Starting point is 00:12:51 from Lost. And I'm like, that's exciting. Yeah, what do you mean was going to be in it? He is in it. No, but I mean, I saw a note in the...
Starting point is 00:12:57 I thought you meant you were going through the credits. You're like, wow. Oh, sorry, I'll start again. So I saw in the titles that Terry O'Quinn was going to be in this.
Starting point is 00:13:03 And I'm like, ooh, I'm so excited. And one of the scenes starts and an FBI guy's there and I'm like, in the titles that Terry O'Quinn was going to be in this, and I'm like, ooh, I'm so excited. And one of the scenes starts, and an FBI guy's there, and I'm like, oh, it's Terry O'Quinn. And then another scene happens. I'm like, wait, is that Terry O'Quinn? And then Howard Hughes is, oh, that's Terry. There's a lot of guys back in the day who looked like Terry O'Quinn,
Starting point is 00:13:17 is all I'm saying. Do you have Terry O'Quinn facial blindness or something? Maybe I do. Do I look like Terry O'Quinn to you? I mean, a little bit. I'm also. something? Maybe I do. Do I look like Terry O'Quinn to you? I mean, a little bit. I'm also. As women, our life stages come with unique risk factors,
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Starting point is 00:14:32 That's sunrisechallenge.ca. Oh, the smoke monster, Mason. Ayee! Very good. Do you remember that from the TV show Lost? Not really. Where Terry O'Quinn turned into the smoke monster, or the smoke monster took his
Starting point is 00:14:45 form or something. And then he had a big punch up with Jack in the last episode. Yeah, they had a big punch up. Whoa! Yeah, it was crazy. Who won the punch up? Who won the punch up? I think the island probably. I think it wasn't really about the punch up, it was more about the vibes and the feelings. And do you
Starting point is 00:15:01 hold hands at the end? Do you go to heaven? Yes. Spoilers for Lost. Wow. But just seeing the Italian mob at the end, just Tommy gunning Nazis. Nothing wrong with that, Mason. That's for hell yeah. I mean, I guess there's something wrong with it in the sense that, you know, the Italians initially in the war, they did, you know, Mussolini did side with Hitler. But apparently the American mob, they were like, no, thank you.
Starting point is 00:15:23 We don't like that. That's right. We're in America. We're in the US of that. That's right. We're in America. We're in the US of A. That's right. We're good, honest American taxpayers now. That's right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:30 But it does. I think the moment where it feels most Captain America is the finale where there's a big punch up on an airship. Oh my goodness. Yes, please. You know, here's a fun fact about that. And I just want to be clear. We're not in trivia yet.
Starting point is 00:15:43 This is different. This is just a thing that I'm saying. When model maker John Goodsman was building the model Zeppelin that was going to be blown up on camera he repeatedly told the producers that they should build two. One for them and one for him he could take home. I'm going to keep it new in box and it's going to retain its value. Sell it on eBay later. That was in case something went wrong with the first take. Now the studio refused, saying they didn't have the money in the budget for a second model, but as he predicted, the first take didn't work, so the production had to pay
Starting point is 00:16:14 for a second one anyway. Embarrassing, and then you've got to wait. Everybody's got to wait around on set. That's right. You know? There's no places to be. Exactly. You've got to be at that weird dog-shaped malt shop sock hop.
Starting point is 00:16:24 You know? Yeah, I remember that one. Oh, man, I can't believe Timothy Dalton crashed into the Hollywood sign, though. That seems like something he would have wanted, maybe. Oh, that character, like, that's how we would want to go. Yeah, yeah. No, I think he probably wanted to go with, like, surrounded by his Nazi peers as the king of the Nazis.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Okay, right. And then, like, hoisting him up on a chair. Yeah, I don't think he probably would want to have died, you know, exploding with a faulty rocket pack on his back, and then he crashes in the Hollywood sign. I don't think that would work. Okay. Yeah. I don't think he probably would want to have died, you know, exploding with a faulty rocket pack on his back and then he crashes in the Hollywood sign. I don't think that would work. I mean, we'll never know. If you ever interview Timothy Dalton, if you could just ask, what was your character
Starting point is 00:16:53 thinking as he was crashing into the Hollywood land sign? Was it Huzzah? Or the German equivalent of Huzzah? Yeah, which is probably the, you know, the salute. Final note that I've got, before we will do some trivia is that, oh, my God, that's Jan from The Office. She's singing in the lounge.
Starting point is 00:17:10 Is it? That's Jan from The Office. She's got a name. Here it is. It's on the screen. It still says Jan from The Office. She was in Soul Band. I don't know if you recall.
Starting point is 00:17:20 Oh, the one where, what's that guy's name again? C. Thomas Howell? Yeah. Yeah, that one. You're seeing it Oh, the one where... What's that guy's name again? C. Thomas Howell? Yeah. Yeah, that one. You're seeing it now. This one. No, don't put it in. No, it's this one.
Starting point is 00:17:32 People need to know. This is history. Not good, but it happened. He doesn't even look black. He looks great. He's great. What happened there? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:17:40 Who thought that was a good idea? I don't know. Maybe it looked black on set. Maybe it did, yeah. Anyways, it's time for the Trivia Tier. This is the trivia section of the show, as threatened. So here are some names that were considered for the lead role. Kevin Costner, Matthew Modine, Emilio Estevez, Bill Paxton,
Starting point is 00:17:59 Dennis Quaid, Kurt Russell, Michael Keaton, Alec Baldwin. Hold on to that thought for next week. Robin Williams, Mel Gibson, Harrison Ford, Ron Perlman, Michael J. Fox, Tom Hanks, Richard Marks apparently turned it down, he claims. The singer. Yep. That's what he said. Wow.
Starting point is 00:18:18 Yeah. And to answer your question as to which of those men could look like they could recognize a Walkman, yes, yes, no, no, no, yes, no, yes. Very good. Yeah. So apparently Johnny Depp, though, was Disney's favourite choice, which sucks for him, I guess, that he didn't get this, but he did go on, as we know,
Starting point is 00:18:36 to play a very big and famous Disney role, the Lone Ranger. Mason. Oh, no, we don't have to do the Lone Ranger. No, Mason. We're not doing it. There's too many things in that that I just don't want to talk about. Okay. I had that thought. I to do the Lone Ranger No Mason We're not doing There's too many things in that That I just don't want to talk about Okay
Starting point is 00:18:46 I had that thought I'm like the Lone Ranger And the other day I'm like Condor Man Do we cover Condor Man Yeah I don't know I mean you know it when you see it And I don't know if I see it
Starting point is 00:18:56 You know Yeah There's too many gadgets in his car I think we might do like I don't know where this is staying in But like a Disney attempt To start a Pirates-esque franchise. So it would be like The Lone Ranger.
Starting point is 00:19:08 It would be Prince of Persia. John Carter and Mars. John Carter and Mars. It would be Nicolas Cage is a sorcerer and Jay Baruchel also wants to be a sorcerer. I thought I was just a normal guy. That's Jay Baruchel. No, you're a sorcerer.
Starting point is 00:19:20 But I don't want to be a sorcerer. This is a sorcerer movie. Okay. I like him. Yeah. Yeah, I do too. This is actually James Horner's Disney music debut. James Horner has passed, of course,
Starting point is 00:19:35 but you might know his music from Braveheart, Titanic, Avatar. He was a big name. Great score in this. From the pulp stories of their era. So in the comic book mason, the original inventor of the rocket pack was 30s pulp novel hero Doc Savage, the man of bronze. Why bronze? What's that?
Starting point is 00:19:52 He just looks quite bronze. Oh, it's not like I've the strength of bronze? I'm as impenetrable. Okay. Yeah. I'm as impenetrable as bronze, whatever that is. He's like Ozymandias. You know, like he's the smartest guy in the world, but he's also the toughest guy.
Starting point is 00:20:03 And, you know, he's always. Can catch a bullet, et cetera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. They did a movie. I don't think it's good. Doc Savage. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:10 They almost certainly did. Yeah. We'll know it when we see it, but we haven't. However, because of licensing considerations, probably that movie, Mason, Disney did not seek permission from Cond Nast, the copyright holder of Doc Savage, and opted to substitute him for Howard Hughes, real life guy who went all sorts of crazy all at once. He did it all. He ran the gamut.
Starting point is 00:20:33 Yeah. I'll design his rocket pack and I won't even have it cover somebody's butt. I'll do anything. In the original graphic novel, Cliff's Accord's girlfriend is named Betty Page, not Jenny Blake. Now, the reason for this is because Dan Stevens actually...
Starting point is 00:20:45 Dave Stevens. Sorry. It's because Dan Stevens... Dave Stevens. It's because... Why is his name not Dan Stevens? I don't know. I guess it was taken by Dan Stevens.
Starting point is 00:20:54 Yeah. So Dave Stevens, who created the comic, he based the character Betty Page upon his real-life girlfriend, 1950s pin-up girl, Betty Page, but she would not allow her name to be used in the film yeah that's why it was changed a nice bit of rocketry via if that's what i called it in the south sea club neville sinclair a nazi greets clark gable i don't know if you remember i do yeah now clark gable it makes sense that he would be there because, you know, he is from this era. But a little known fact about Clark Gable was that Adolf Hitler was like his biggest fan.
Starting point is 00:21:29 Oh, no. Right. And so during World War II, Hitler actually offered a sizable reward to anybody who could capture Clark Gable. Presumably to get him to perform like Tropic Thunder style. Yeah, sure. Because he was serving as an aerial gunner at the time. So apparently quite a bit of resources went into that. Wow.
Starting point is 00:21:47 Yeah. Now that's like that time they found one of Osama Bin Laden's hard drive and it was filled with anime. Remember that? Yeah. What a weeb. But in terms of sequels, Disney at the time were looking for their version of Indiana Jones, right?
Starting point is 00:22:00 And they eventually found it in Indiana Jones. Love that. And now it's over. Love that for them. Yeah, now it's over. It's finished. Yeah's done yeah absolutely so they were like let's do a trilogy but obviously the first one didn't do too well on a budget of 30 to 40 million dollars in the US alone it made 46.7 million it was a bit of a flop Mason but of course it has had a bit of a cult following and that has led to a number of rumors and steps towards a remake or a sequel there was going to be one based around the tuskegee airmen is that
Starting point is 00:22:29 correct yeah so first in 2016 there was a movie called the rocketeers where cliff sacord goes missing and a second female rocketeer takes over and the kind it's about the search for him is that the force awakens yes yes I was going to say. Also, was the costume going to be exactly the same except the helmet had a little pink bow on the top to indicate that it was a girl? Absolutely it was, yes. Ms. Rocketeer?
Starting point is 00:22:52 I know people would say The Rocketeer goes woke. What are they doing to The Rocketeer? A movie that famously bombed and nobody saw. They're ruining the legacy of The Rocketeer. Anyway, that one didn't happen. In August of 2021, though, the title, The Return of the Rocketeer, was announced. This is when Disney Plus was just like,
Starting point is 00:23:09 everybody gets everything, all right? We're doing a Willow series. We're doing a Spiderwick Chronicles series. We're just rocketing into the stratosphere we will never come down, ever. That's right. So the plot would have focused on a former Tusker G airman who inherits the Rocket Pack uniform,
Starting point is 00:23:26 which would potentially start David Oyelowo. Now, J.D. Dillard, who made the movie Devotion, was slated to direct, but he decided to take a breather from that kind of period in aviation. Because, you know, he spent a lot of time doing that movie that nobody saw. Also, James, did you know that on Disney+, there is 22 episodes of what looks to be a 3D animated series. From 2019, yep.
Starting point is 00:23:47 Sort of Paw Patrol style, just called The Rocketeer. Yep. And it's a girl rocketeer. Yep. So this series was for kids, obviously. Billy Campbell actually returns to voice Cliff Secord. Oh. And it's his son Kit who takes on the mantle.
Starting point is 00:24:03 I see. Of little rocketeer. There you go. But he's also just called The Rocketeer. Where's his wife? What happened, who takes on the mantle. I see. Of Little Rocketeer. There you go. But he's also just called the Rocketeer. Where's his wife? What happened to her? Is she in? She died.
Starting point is 00:24:10 Oh, man. She crashed into the Hollywood side. Oh, no. Yeah. She liked the Nazi guy. Oh, no. That was the twist, yeah. Wow.
Starting point is 00:24:17 Yeah. There's a prequel comic. Wow. Yeah. My goodness. Is it called The Cock Blocketeer? Is that what it is? That's what it's called.
Starting point is 00:24:25 I need to let you know, James, that that was the first note I wrote for this movie, having not re-watched the movie yet. And I just needed to find a way to shoehorn it in there. It's the perfect time. Yeah, yeah. I was thinking there's a scene where, like, there's a scene in the restaurant,
Starting point is 00:24:41 and one of the guys is like, oh, Cliff, you crashed your plane, blah, blah, blah. And then Jenny gets real mad at him and I'm like, oh, that guy's the cock blocker to you. Yeah. That would be it. I was talking about a different scene in the restaurant where he's coming over and he's the waiter and he's like,
Starting point is 00:24:54 I'm spilling stuff. Oh, perfect. I'm the cock blocker to you. Then he would also be the cock blocker to you. I love this. Yes. Yes, we both did one and that's important. And some would say neither of them really worked,
Starting point is 00:25:07 so cut them out, but we're going to leave both in. There'll be a poll below. Yeah. You can choose. I'm happy with both of them. Yeah, same. It's a win-win for me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:16 Anyways, come back next week because we're going to be talking about Alec Baldwin's The Shadow. You know it when you see it, you know? And I haven't seen that in, I don't know. And if Alec Baldwin sees his shadow, that means another six weeks of winter. Oh, my God. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:30 I haven't seen that in a very long time. I remember being quite entertained by it. You might just be remembering the knife, the cranky little knife. Yeah, the cranky little knife. It's like, I'm going to get you. I also read the novelisation. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:25:43 Which is filled with all the extended The Shadow lore that they chopped out in the movie and whatever because it's too annoying and complicated. I bet that is annoying and complicated to read. But if you do want to say that early, you can. That's right. It's optional, but if you head to bigsandwich.co, these videos always go up there early.
Starting point is 00:26:00 But it's not the only thing there. We do movie commentaries. Famously, recently, we did The Flash. We talked over The Flash. My God. Talk about movies, you know? Oh, yeah. We do bonus podcasts.
Starting point is 00:26:12 We do movie commentaries. Our podcast, The Weekly Planet, where we talk movies and comics and TV shows, that comes out there a day early on Sunday as opposed to Monday if you do want to check it out. That's right. But, you know, you don't have to do any of that. Just thank you for watching this. Final thoughts? You love it? I liked it. I liked it out. That's right. But, you know, you don't have to do any of that. Just thank you for watching this. Final thoughts? You love it?
Starting point is 00:26:26 I liked it. I liked it too. It's a throwback because it was made in like the 90s. Yeah, yeah. But it's also a throwback from the era.
Starting point is 00:26:32 It's a double throwback. It's a double throwback and look, some of it was a little clunky, you're right. Some of the effects don't really hold up anymore but I think overall
Starting point is 00:26:39 characters were good. You know. It's brisk. Brisk action was solid. It is very brisk. It's that just wonderful time where you could just punch a fed and he would punch you back and it's no big deal. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:51 Just a great, just a great year. I wish I could go back to it. You know, wonderful. That's it. All right. Thanks everybody for watching.
Starting point is 00:26:58 I also was better than Dick Tracy cause stuff actually happens. Oh my God. 100% it was better than Dick Tracy. Yeah. Not a joke. Just facts. Yeah, that's true. I was going to say
Starting point is 00:27:06 I don't like it, but it's true and I do like it actually. Anyways, thanks to Ben and Lawrence for the edit. We'll see you in the next one. Grab that jam, you guys. We'll see you real soon. As women, our life stages come with unique risk factors like high blood pressure developed during pregnancy, which can put us two
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