The Weekly Planet - The Shadow - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: September 28, 2023

Before the genesis of Batman there was The Shadow. But after the movie Batman 1989 there was The Shadow 1994. Aiming to capatalise on a comic book trend kicked off by Warner Brothers and Tim Burton ...it sees Alec Baldwin, a contender for the role of Bruce Wayne, manifesting the ghostly presence of Lamont Cranston. By day, good time millionaire playboy. By night, a guy with a hat and a bandana and a prosthetic nose with vague mystical powers which he uses to fight crime. Anyways it bombed. Thanks for watching our Caravan Of Garbage review!SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:54 Welcome back, everybody, to Caravan of Garbage, where we're... Wait. Well... Welcome back, everybody, to Caravan of Garbage, where we are making our way through five superhero properties that are loosely connected in the sense that they didn't do very well. Also, some of them are pulp icons, sort of, but not all of them.
Starting point is 00:01:13 And most of them, but not all, are from the 30s. It's the superhero-ish series. It's superhero-ish, you know it when you see it. Exactly. I think I might have found a link, though, after watching this movie. Go on. The Shado. Yes, The Shado, sure. 1994's The Shado, directed by Russell Mulca it. Exactly. I think I might have found a link, though, after watching this movie. Go on. The Shado. Yes, The Shado, sure.
Starting point is 00:01:26 1994's The Shado, directed by Russell Mulcahy. Correct. Russell Mulcahy's The Shado. That's right. Oh, do you want to reveal it later? No, I'll do it now. Oh. Can't be that good if you want to reveal it up top.
Starting point is 00:01:35 No, no. Let's give people something. Okay. They're burnt it, I think. Okay. You take a chance on a video. That's so true. So, first of all, though, leave a like on this video for this.
Starting point is 00:01:43 So, first of all, leave a like, and then you're going to reveal the thing that's not good enough to save to lean yeah yeah that's right yeah exactly right maybe it's tommy guns maybe there has to be a tommy guns tommy guns but i don't think there's going to be tommy guns in the fifth one we talk about i don't think there's going to be any there is that retro vibe if anybody can find a definitive link and not something vague yeah i mean like give us something you know something symbolic yeah that we could put on like an award and we could give the worst one an award. So thus far, it's the Tommy Gunn Award for standing in the street
Starting point is 00:02:11 and spinning around slowly and shooting at cars. That's what it is currently. Exactly. Now, I was going to say re-watching this, but I'm pretty sure I've never seen this all the way through. But just watching this, I thought to myself, God, they really took a big run at the shadow, didn't they? they now this one i think definitively exists in the wake of the batman movie yeah absolutely batman movies they went they made a billion dollars yep not really but you know
Starting point is 00:02:34 adjusted maybe i don't know a billion's a big number i just wanted to say a billion all right they made a ton of money and they went let's do something batman-esque alec baldwin was probably like i was offered batman probably like, I was offered Batman, probably like everybody was and decided not to do it. I'll do the shadow. Yeah. Well, we also know that Bob Kane, who invented, invented. Bob Kane, who had a hand in Batman,
Starting point is 00:02:55 has talked about the influences of the shadow on Batman. Bill Finger had a much bigger hand in Batman, as we all know. That's true, exactly. Not just a finger. Most of the hand, would you say? Most of the hand. But it's just not great, though, right? I don't mind it. Not just a finger. Most of the hand, would you say? Most of the hand. But it's just not great though, right? I don't mind it.
Starting point is 00:03:08 Here's the thing. I think I like the shadow more than you do. As a character. As a character. And I think I like the origin of the character. I like his stuff in subsequent media. I've even listened to the old radio show and stuff like that. But I don't think this does any of that justice.
Starting point is 00:03:24 No. You know what it is? I think they never, look, I think it's two things. I think one, I like Alec Baldwin's performance. I think he's a good straight man in this role. Like in 30 Rock, he delivers an odd line with a certain sincerity that I appreciate. But I think that this character,
Starting point is 00:03:40 they weren't sure if he was supposed to be like charismatic and a real nice guy or a lunatic or somewhere in the middle or if he switches depending on his persona or what have you depending on the nose he was wearing yeah and i think the the character comes off as more of a kind of a mess yes um and vague and vague and i also think in in a similar vein i think that they don't they didn't really know what they wanted to do with this movie. Did they want it to be lighthearted? Did they want it to be more sort of campy, grim like Batman? There's some moments in this with Alec Baldwin and Penelope Ann Miller
Starting point is 00:04:14 where it seems like they want it to be like a kind of 1930s, 1940s screwball comedy where they're doing the fast dialogue, like His Girl Friday, where they're like snappy and back and forth and they've got a real fun kind of run to it. It almost feels like they're going to carry it off at certain points, but there's so little of that that I'm like, if you'd made the whole movie like that, it could have worked. Maybe I would have loved it.
Starting point is 00:04:35 But I do appreciate the weird stuff that's in this. For example, the opening sequence, we have a shirtless Alec Baldwin in black genie pants. genie pants sure he's got pointed nails and he's got a long black wig yes and he's hey he might have grown that out for the role no no he didn't let me finish he may have grown out a wig for the role he may have done that thing where you grow hair out of a potato oh you may have transferred it to his own head and in all of that he's fighting like a little cranky knife yeah Yeah. Wonderful stuff, really. And it's one of those things where it's like,
Starting point is 00:05:06 what are we bearing witness to here? What is this telling us about the state of cinema? But I will say this, I appreciate that, look, this was an era where you don't have to work out that much. You don't have to manicure your chest hair. Or your nails, evidently. Or your nails, yeah. More power to him, quite frankly.
Starting point is 00:05:22 Bring this back if you possibly could. But I also knew that after that intro where it's like he's a warlord and then a deity found him or whoever or guru and was like, you should be a good guy. And then there's the crawl. Yes. And you know something's up there where maybe you botched the origin of this. Oh, we should point out, I guess, he's a bad guy.
Starting point is 00:05:41 Yes. And so he's trained in mystical arts so he can use his bad guy energy to look into the minds of other bad guys whilst mostly being a good guy. Yeah, sure. Is that accurate? Yes. So a lot of that is new to the movie. Like a lot of pulp heroes, I guess a lot like Dick Tracy,
Starting point is 00:06:00 we talked about a couple of weeks ago, his initial appearances, he's just like, I think I'm going to fight crime, to be honest. Like the idea that he once was a villain, that's new to the movie. How much shadow backstory would you like, James? What do you got? Well, we can cut it all out.
Starting point is 00:06:13 I also know that like Lamont Cranston in most versions doesn't exist. James, James, James, let James, James, James, James, James. Okay, here's the backstory of the shadow. You want a potted history of The Shadow? Let's do it. We can very easily cut out of the video version. So in 1930, there was a pulp magazine called Detective Story Magazine,
Starting point is 00:06:32 and it did mystery stories and crime stories and detective stories, etc. And they thought a great idea to increase sales of the magazine would be to start a radio show where they did like dramatic readings of the stories yeah which was called detective story hour so what they did to tie all the stories together is they decided they'd create a like a narrator to introduce the stuff and so they came up with a guy called the shadow who had like a like a raspy sinister voice and he would he would introduce the stories and be like and that's why crime doesn't pay exactly like the shadow and so sales did go up but it also had the unintended consequence
Starting point is 00:07:06 that people would constantly go up to newsstands and be like, where are these shadow stories? Like, where are they? I'll burn your newsstand down. It was the 30s. And so the editors of the magazine were like, well, we should probably invent iconic pulp character The Shadow, I guess,
Starting point is 00:07:19 if we have to. And so they got a guy called Walter B. Gibson to create the iconic look of the shadow. I love the look. The premise, and he's going to be in New York and fight crime and put terror in the hearts of criminals and et cetera. So they released the Shadow magazine,
Starting point is 00:07:35 which sold great guns. And over the next 20 years, there were 325 Shadow stories in the magazine, and Gibson wrote 282 of them them which works out to a novel length story twice a month oh my god once on the first of the months once on the 15th of the month and he just churned them all out damn but anyway people really love they're quite good though are they no oh no some of them are yeah yeah it's a mixed bag i mean i know you like some of them yeah but anyway and then eventually that resulted in an actual,
Starting point is 00:08:08 like a full cast recording of Shadow's stories on the radio. Like he got his own radio show again, but this time he wasn't just a narrator. He was like... I like the idea of them not being like, this is the next big thing. We've created this thing. It grew kind of organically. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:19 Until they made the movie and then it stopped. Put a real full stop. But all the elements were there that people liked in the 30s through to the 50s. Margot Lane was invented for the radio show and that is primarily because the shadow was a man and the commissioner was a man and all the gangsters were men and I think they were like, well, if we put in one more male voice,
Starting point is 00:08:41 nobody will know who's talking. So the writers had a deep sigh and they went, I guess we'll write a woman. Which I think that to me is fascinating because it's like the idea, I think maybe we've talked about on our podcast, The Weekly Planet, about how the first appearance of Kryptonite, Superman's weakness, was on the Superman radio show. And depending on who you ask, that might have been because
Starting point is 00:09:00 the show was put out live every week and the guy who played Superman wanted a couple of weeks off. So they had to go, let's just invent a rock that makes him comatose or whatever. And then we'll just check in on him every episode. Is he still down? Yeah, he's down. He's going, we've got an intern to go. Is he dead?
Starting point is 00:09:17 Nah, he's probably fine. It's just kryptonite. What they also changed for the radio show is that they made it so the shadow only had one secret identity so in the original stories his name's kent allard right and he was a he was a flying ace in world war one and then when he returns to new york uh he meets a guy called lamont cranston who looks a lot like him who's like a an idol playboy so whenever cranston is out of town like on safari shooting giraffes or whatever.
Starting point is 00:09:45 Or shooting Breaking Bad, go on. Exactly. Oh, Cranston. Yep. Yep. Yep. Kent Allitt would sub in for him and put on the tuxedo and be like,
Starting point is 00:09:54 I'm Lamont Cranston. And he would infiltrate high society and get information on the criminals or whatever. Sure. So in the radio show, they were just like, do we have to explain this every time? He's just Lamont Cranston.
Starting point is 00:10:04 And the third thing is that they added that he had mysterious powers yes because in the original he's like a smoke bomb guy like in the pop stories he's just like i've got a magician's trick and i'll do this or whatever but clearly based on all this stuff clearly they went folks this is the fast-paced world of 1930s radio no media landscape will ever be more hectic than this we've got cigarettes and nerve tonics to sell we do not have time to introduce the concept that he's going to clamber up you know the villains are congregating in a warehouse and he's going to clamber up a fire escape and he's going to find a access hatch on the roof and then he's
Starting point is 00:10:38 going to taunt and then he's going to leap down and he's going to gun them all down like a hero what we just say he's invisible and he's in the room with them. And then he can gun them down like a hero. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's the problem with this movie for me is that his set of powers is very vague and sometimes they work and sometimes they don't and sometimes he's invisible and sometimes he's just standing in water. Maybe you should be aware of that.
Starting point is 00:10:58 Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's at one point because he can turn invisible. Look, he can't strictly speaking turn invisible. He can cloud men's minds and make them think to them he appears invisible except for his shadow gotcha and women and non-binary people if he existed in the present day that's right nbs he'd be invisible to you too you're not special i mean i get all that yeah but then you introduce a villain yes who has roughly sort of the same thing oh that's one of them does it a little bit harder than the other that's what i was going to say so there is a moment where uh he's in a
Starting point is 00:11:29 darkened room and a bad guy puts his flashlight on him and the shadow's there he can turn invisible except for his shadow but then the the villain puts the flashlight on him and he's there just the shadow and he just sort of like yeah he just looks like a deer in the headlights he just stands there frightened and gets shot a couple of times and And it's like, come on, man. Work with what you got, dude. But you're absolutely right. I quite like that they introduced a guy who has similar powers to him, but he's kind of better than him.
Starting point is 00:11:54 But then the shadow just gets better than him. Exactly. Like for no reason. He doesn't learn anything. He doesn't learn anything. He doesn't go, okay, well, the reason is that actually I was too angry or whatever. You know, often in the modern superhero landscape, it's well i didn't i didn't uh i didn't value my family
Starting point is 00:12:09 enough but now i do value my family and and that's given me the power to win or whatever in this he's just like boy this guy's better at levitating cranky knives or whatever maybe i'll be better at that yeah and then he is and then he is exactly yeah fx is the veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from istanbul to paris and london one woman has a secret the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost fx is the veil starring, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Will you rise with the sun to help change mental health care forever? Join the Sunrise Challenge to raise funds for CAMH,
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Starting point is 00:13:30 That's a different Baldwin. This is young Baldwin and he looks like some of his younger brothers did 10 years ago. But I think the prosthetic is not good up close. Yeah, I understand. And I get that they kind of wanted to really distinguish the two. But I think the outfit is enough. Absolutely, yeah. But, you know, I like the way that he kind of wanted to really distinguish the two, but I think the outfit is enough. Absolutely, yeah. But I like the way that he kind of runs the city.
Starting point is 00:13:49 He rescues that guy at the start, and then he's like, listen, you're going to work for me. I've got a network of spies. You have no choice. I might kill you. You don't know. I don't know. I'm really mean to you, but I'm a nice guy.
Starting point is 00:14:02 I'm charming, but I'm mean, but I just boss you around. What's my deal? I don't know. You tell me, but I'm a nice guy. I'm charming, but I'm mean, but I just boss you around. What's my deal? I don't know. You tell me, but don't. I'll kill you. Will I? Here's a ring. Show everyone the ring, but never take it off.
Starting point is 00:14:17 Not even when you're showering, never. I love that. He tells him how it works in the network of spies, and he's like, see you later, whatever your name is. And the guy's like, how did you know my name? And it's like, he just told you he had a network of spies. He probably looked into you. He didn't just recruit you randomly, idiot.
Starting point is 00:14:34 Come on. I think there's some really interesting effects in this. We talked about the cranky knife. It doesn't always hold up. But that's the thing that I remember. Exactly. Look, ultimately, even though the villain is Siwan Khan, who was a villain from the Pulps originally,
Starting point is 00:14:46 the real villain is the Cranky Knife because he's like the school bully because he goes to the Temple of the Cobra and he meets the bully who pushes him around clearly. Then he gets a real glow up and he moves to the big city and then all of a sudden the Cranky Knife is back. And he's like, no, not the Cranky Knife. I'm going to get swirled.
Starting point is 00:15:03 No Cranky Knife. But he stood up for himself. That's true. Like you do with a boy. Maybe that's what it is. Yeah, maybe it is, yeah. But I think, yeah, look, not all the effects hold up. No.
Starting point is 00:15:11 There's like a swirling kind of 3D tapestry at one point. There's some smoke effects like at night that are quite good. There's a bit where he kind of peels himself out of a shadow at one point where he's pinned. There's one point where he peels his entire face off. Oh, yeah. And he's the other guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the other guy, isn't he? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:29 Look, and speaking of, that's one of the lines I like from, there's two great lines that I love from Alec Baldwin in this, and one of them is he explains to Margot Lane that he had a dream where he pulled his own face off. But then there's the moment where Siwan Khan reveals the cranky knife and he goes, oh, that knife. Remember that bit? I loved that bit.
Starting point is 00:15:48 Yeah, and here's the thing, right? A series of unfortunate events has befalled him on the set recently where the director was tragically killed. People know about this, I assume. I'm not going to get into it. But I feel like this era of Alec Baldwin, aside from those little moments
Starting point is 00:16:01 that you're talking about, I'm not really into it. Okay, right. If you get me up to like the departed 30 Rock, 100%, I'm in. The moment in Mission Impossible Fallout where he talks about how Ethan Hunt is the living manifestation of destiny. Yes. Delivered with the same gravitas of, oh, that knife.
Starting point is 00:16:19 That's right, yeah. But the end I wasn't really wrapped in. I mean, this was always going to end in a hall full of mirrors. I didn't know that, but I knew, you know. Which one is he? Whatever. It's a mirror. There's mirrors happening.
Starting point is 00:16:32 And it's vague. It's like, I'm going to explode all these mirrors better than you or whatever. You can't run from me. Shout out to the score, Jerry Goldsmith. He also did The Omen, Rambo, Star Trek, The Motion Picture, Planet of the Apes. I think this is, we never talk about scores. No, we never do. That's true.
Starting point is 00:16:47 I feel like this is a really good one. Anything else to say before we do some trivia? Yeah, well, look, the supporting cast is great. Most of whom I didn't even remember were in this. Peter Boyle is in this. Yep. If you were to ask me which cast member from Lord of the Rings was in the movie The Shadow, I might have said young Viggo Mortensen as a thug or something.
Starting point is 00:17:02 Oh, yeah. But it's only bloody Patrick Stewart. No, it's not Patrick Stewart. The Wizard from Harry Potter. Yes. Hermione. Yes. Ian McKellen.
Starting point is 00:17:12 Ian McKellen, thank you. And Tim Curry's in this. Tim Curry's in it also, yeah. As just the oiliest, I was going to say one of the oiliest men he's ever played, but I can't make that promise, honestly. Yeah, an oily man that he has played. How about that? Can you commit to that?
Starting point is 00:17:23 I can commit to that. That is perfect. I think everybody in this is doing a good job as well. Yeah, an oily man that he has played. How about that? Can you commit to that? I can commit to that. That is perfect. I think everybody in this is doing a good job as well. Yeah, fair enough. Anyways, it's time for the trivia dough. We talked about shadow-related trivia. Oh, not the shat trivia? No.
Starting point is 00:17:36 Did you not hear me when I said the trivia dough? Oh, I'm stupid. Yeah, you are stupid. But don't let that stop you from helping me finish this video. I don't want to do this by myself. I'll get lonely. I'll get lost. I've got this haunted knife. I could do it with you God I don't like it. Why are you doing these videos James? I just I don't know. It's like my job now All right, just have a real job now. This is my job. What do you care? Nobody's gonna watch these? Thank do though. Thanks for now even these ones? Yeah, somewhat. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:18:05 Is it? I don't know. What do you know about media? Nothing. I only know about stabbing. Then shut the fuck up. Sorry. I don't tell you about stabbing.
Starting point is 00:18:13 So the director of this is Russell Mulcahy, who you mentioned. He directed Highlander, most famously, probably. And second Highlander, sort of. He claims that they fucked that. And they did. Yeah. Because, by all accounts, not good. But before that, Sam Raimi actually wanted to make this,
Starting point is 00:18:27 but his pitch was ignored. So he turned the ideas of what he wanted this to be and he created Darkman. There it is, yeah. And you can definitely see that in the costume. Similarities are quite obvious there, yeah. And Darkman is better by a wide margin. It is better, yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:42 Sam Raimi would have killed this man if they let him. I think there was even going to be, even after this, I think maybe in the 2000s there was going to be a version, again, with Sam Raimi attached, where he was going to combine, going to team up the Shadow with Doc Savage and the Avenger, who you might not know, but he's got a malleable face.
Starting point is 00:18:58 Yeah, sure. They were going to put them together an Avengers-style team, but I think the rights have since lapped. Well, that's sad. Yeah, yeah. Don't you think? Don't you think? I don't think you're sad at all.
Starting point is 00:19:08 I'm not. Yeah, you read that well, actually. I'm a good judge of character. I don't think you are. Maybe one day you'll be able to control me, the cranky knife. I'm actually... Not today, though. Stab.
Starting point is 00:19:18 Oh, God. I deserve that, I guess. Yeah. I think you've got to stab me no matter what, though, if I'm honest. He's right. He's not wrong. I love. Yeah. I think you've got to stab me no matter what, though, if I'm honest. He's right. He's not wrong. I love stabbing. A video game version of The Shadow for the Super Nintendo was developed to tie in with
Starting point is 00:19:31 the film, but it was never released despite being completed due to the film's disappointing box office gross. Now, you can get this. It's been emulated or whatever since, but that's surprising they didn't just release it anyway. Yeah. I can't imagine it would cost that much, would it? Who knows, man.
Starting point is 00:19:46 Who knows? Anyway, play it if you want. Apparently it's pretty standard. Oh, is it some sort of action platformer on the Super Nintendo? Yeah, you heard of it? They're absolute bread and butter at the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Banyan from Seinfeld is in this.
Starting point is 00:19:57 Oh, yeah. He's one of the guards. I was like, I know him. I know that face. Yeah. And I love this. So the villain in this, whatever his name is. Shiwan Khan.
Starting point is 00:20:04 Yeah. Claims that he's Genghis Khan's last remaining ancestor, And I love this. So the villain in this, whatever his name is. Shiwan Khan. Claims that he's Genghis Khan's last remaining ancestor, which is off by quite a few million people. So an international group of geneticists studying Y chromosome data have found that nearly 8% of the men living in the region of the former Mongol Empire carry Y chromosomes that are nearly identical. That translates to roughly 0.5% of the male population in the region of the former Mongol Empire, carry Y chromosomes that are nearly identical. That translates to roughly 0.5% of the male population in the world, or roughly 16 million descendants living today.
Starting point is 00:20:33 Whoa. He was a rude rat, mate. Do you think we might be descendants of Genghis Khan? I don't know. Ask your knife friend. Okay. Unlikely. All right.
Starting point is 00:20:41 Thanks, knife. I don't think you know, but thank you, I guess. I just need a stab in Shattered Dreams. Yep, we know. The budget of this, $40 million. Okay, I imagine Alec Baldwin's salary was a significant portion of that. No doubt. Well, you know, he was Jack Ryan for a couple of movies,
Starting point is 00:20:57 or one movie, I can't remember, and various other things. But it ended up only making, at the worldwide box office, $48 million. Oh, that's not a lot more. I'd imagine that this was a situation that was confusing for the movie studio where they're like, we did Batman. We did the guy they based Batman off. Right? Isn't that enough?
Starting point is 00:21:14 Yeah. No, it has to be better, less vague, please. Yeah, I don't know. Look, honestly, I thought it was interesting. Yeah. But I can't say that I loved it. Too vague. The characters weren't defined well enough.
Starting point is 00:21:25 I think they should have leaned into, again, I think they should have picked a personality for this guy. You know what I mean? I think, or like, shown as a better illustration of his struggle. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:21:36 Exactly. I don't know, but I still kind of liked it because I liked the derangement of the character. I liked the fact that he clearly, like the character is leaning towards like... Psychopathy? Yeah, but like justice at any cost kind of thing. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:21:50 If people would like to track down perhaps some shadow media... No. No, I know. For the one guy. I'm talking to me. But I've read this already. But in sort of 2017, 2018 era,
Starting point is 00:22:02 there were a couple of Batman shadow crossovers in the comic books through DC and Dynamite Comics. And they're both good. But the first one by Scott Snyder and Steve Orlando is called Batman and the Shadow, The Murder Geniuses. And if that title doesn't intrigue you, I don't know what else I can do. But this series really leans into the Shadow has been doing it too long and he's gone mad.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Oh, okay. And sort of, you know, imagine like the intensity of Batman but times 100. Like he's been doing it for nearly a century and he's lost his objectivity and he's just like, yeah, if I have to kill 10 people to save 1,000, I'll do it. I don't care. Whatever.
Starting point is 00:22:42 That's pretty cool though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty cool that he would do that. good the greater good i agree with this notion of the shadow is what i'm saying yeah i don't know i just like it i think the knife would agree with that yeah i think so too uh he's left though um yeah i i don't know i just like a nastier version of the shadow yeah there's um there's also a shadow comic series from the 80s by howard chaykin called blood and judgment which is also very kind of nasty. It's quite violent and kind of dark, but I enjoy it too. Do you think the knife would like it?
Starting point is 00:23:10 I think the knife would like it. But the knife's not here anymore. No, he left. He got in a cab. So his flight is limited, is it? Yeah. Yeah, fair enough. He did get tired, I guess.
Starting point is 00:23:22 Anyways, do you want to hit for next week? I think we already mentioned it, but here it is. We're going to slam evil. Yeah, man, we're going to slam evil. With the Phantom. That's right. That's incredible. Australia's owned the Phantom.
Starting point is 00:23:31 That's correct. Not really, but we claim him. He's ours. But he met Bob Hawke once. He did. That's cool. I bet the knife would think it was cool. But again, the knife is not here.
Starting point is 00:23:39 It left. I heard Bob Hawke drank a big yard glass. I hear the record for drinking a yard glass of beer. You're back because you didn't have money for the cab. All right, you're right in this instance. You got 20 bucks? Can I borrow 20 bucks? Yes.
Starting point is 00:23:51 Put it in my snappy teeth. He bit me. He bit my finger, Mason. Well, you know what you did. You loaned him 20 bucks. You shouldn't have done it. Anyways, if you do want to see that video earlier, you can actually head over to BigSandwich.co
Starting point is 00:24:04 where it's not just early videos. Do you know what else it is? It's, let me think. It's early videos. Yep. And it's a bonus podcast. Yep. And it's video game Let's Plays.
Starting point is 00:24:12 And our podcast, The Weekly Planet, comes out on Sunday as opposed to Monday. Yep. And probably another thing. Probably another thing. Yeah. Various movie commentaries. I can't believe it.
Starting point is 00:24:20 Or you can just check out, you know, the stuff here or our podcast, The Weekly Planet, over on its YouTube channel, Spotify, Apple, all of that. Thank you so much, Ben and Lawrence, for the edit. Thank you, Ben and Lawrence. And we'll see you guys on the next one. It's The Phantom, in case you didn't guess. Maybe the knife will come back.
Starting point is 00:24:34 Maybe the knife will become our sidekick. Cool. An awful little knife. Oh, he's rolled up the $20 note. He's doing cocaine, they said. This is terrible news. Grabbed our jamie, guys. We'll see you next week.
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