The Weekly Planet - Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: July 23, 2020

Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen the second in the franchise continues our look at the full Michael Bay Transformers Universe. This movie heavily altered due to the 2009 writers strike (allegedly) ...see Shia LaBeouf and Megan Fox return to the roles that made them famous. This time Optimus Prime, Bumblebee and the other Autobots go up against Megatron and The Fallen to find a thing or stop a thing. Or in fact find the thing to stop the thing. Great stuff. This is our Caravan Of Garbage review, thanks for the support.Help support the show and get early episodes at https://bigsandwich.co/SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNVideo Edition ► https://youtu.be/5Qgp7cj98zEJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownTWP Itunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4TWP Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetTWP YouTube Channel ► https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4T-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies#Transformers Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:54 We're back for Caravan of Garbage. We're working our way through the Transformers movies. How many were you going to hit, Mason, do you think? We'll probably do them all eventually. We're going gonna shoot for three initially yeah and depending on demand and our own mental states we'll see how how much further we get exactly will we get to the good one who knows we may have also already passed it also that being said uh i had not seen this one yeah transformers 2 revenge of the fallen uh since it came out at
Starting point is 00:01:24 in theaters me too and um i always under the impression it was the worst one i don't know Transformers 2, Revenge of the Fallen, since it came out in theatres. Me too. And I was under the impression it was the worst one. I don't know if it is the worst one. I don't think it is the worst one. Isn't that bizarre? Because I think I was going into this going, I just remember this being such a drag
Starting point is 00:01:35 and being trapped in the cinema and the last 50 minutes is just sand being kicked up and people screaming as robots do somersaults. Well, here's the thing. You're absolutely right. And leave a like. Is that the other thing? That thing. You're absolutely right. And leave a like. Is that the other thing? That's the other thing.
Starting point is 00:01:46 Number one, leave a like. And two, leave a like for this idea alone. I think I've discovered the optimum way to watch Michael Bay movies in the cinema. You know, it's strange times all around. But what I think should be happening is you buy a ticket for the next Michael Bay Transformers extravaganza, right? It's maybe like 50 bucks. It's more than a regular ticket.
Starting point is 00:02:04 Sure. But what you do is you go into the cinema. You see the glory of the huge screen up there. And then you go sit in your own model apartment, like three walls, and then the big screen. And then you can sit on the couch. Yep. You can look at your phone.
Starting point is 00:02:16 Yep. You can make a sandwich. You can bring along your dirty dishes and clean them. By the end of the movie, you're just like, oh, this experience wasn't that bad. Because you've been distracted a lot. Oh, look, it's John Turturro's butt. By the end of the movie, you're just like, oh, this experience wasn't that bad because you've been distracted a lot. Oh, look, it's John Turturro's butt. I miss most of that.
Starting point is 00:02:29 It's probably fine. It's probably fine, yeah. So the thing about this movie is it was heavily affected by the writer's strike. They got kind of three weeks into the main, the crux of the story. Yes. But that being said, I don't really know how much, did that really make a difference in the outcome of this movie?
Starting point is 00:02:44 Because it's about as incomprehensible or comprehensible as the others yeah in total i mean there's a few moments in this movie uh where i'm like hey wait a second how did how did uh megan fox's character michaela get like an operational aggressive transformer through airport security in a little metal box and nobody stopped her and i'm'm like, oh, writer's strike. That's how she did that. Oh, so she puts her foot on the box and she's like, I don't have any killer robots. Well, you wouldn't.
Starting point is 00:03:12 You wouldn't. You are very attractive, so you absolutely would not. Yeah, I read that they had three weeks to put this script together. And on the one hand, that's a quick turnaround for a Hollywood movie. But to be honest, if that was my full-time job, like if I didn't have another job, I could probably knock this out in a week i reckon and then i would have two weeks to show it to my friends like you and my other friend i don't i don't want to look at it well my other friend then
Starting point is 00:03:33 and then they could suggest you know corrections and then then i'd have you know two more weeks to fix it i don't know because but these transformers movies like they they've talked about how with the later ones they put this writer's room together to establish the universe. But it seems like that shit just gets thrown out the window anyway and it's just whatever's happening. It's whatever's happening, whatever you want Earth to be, wherever you want the secret Cybertronian artefacts to be. Are they in a pyramid? Are they in the centre of the Earth?
Starting point is 00:03:58 Are they in a scepter? Who knows? It doesn't matter. Who's Cybertron this time around? Who's Autobot Jesus this time around? It's Sam. This time around it's Sam. It's Cybertron this time around? Who's Autobot Jesus this time around? It's Sam. This time around, it's Sam. Sam, that's right. So Michael Bay described the tone of this film as Ben-Hur fused with apocalypse now.
Starting point is 00:04:12 I don't see many of those elements, but there's no tone in this. There's a lot of helicopters. There's helicopters. There certainly are. Because like you mentioned, and this really kicked into gear for this one, all of these movies have some kind of magical artifact that they've got to chase that's going to alter the course of history for humanity and Cybertron.
Starting point is 00:04:30 We had the AllSpark, now we've got the Matrix. Next one's the Space Bridge, then it's some kind of seed, then it's a staff or a sword or something. It's always, we've got to get this thing because it's the most important thing in the universe. But it's only like in an hour 29 that we find out what's actually going on and how there's some kind of device that's going to drain the sun of energon that's
Starting point is 00:04:50 in a pyramid it's in a pyramid you know one of those famously unexplored monuments you know how nobody's ever looked into a pyramid at all nobody's ever like tapped a brick on one of the pyramids and gone this is entirely composed of alien metal under this. Yeah, that's right. We never noticed. You only need to remove a few blocks as well to see what's going on under there. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I think it is interesting in this movie, though, that it does sort of explore an ancient history between the Transformers and the people of Earth.
Starting point is 00:05:17 I'm like, that's an interesting element. These movies sometimes have good ideas with horrible execution, and they have beautiful shots. In a rewatch, these movies have beautiful shots in a re-watch yeah these movies have beautiful shots that disappear in the blink of an eye like in this this character introduces rc you know the the first female transformer and there's like an incredible shot of her like tumbling over one of the the decepticons and like firing and i'm like he's a big wheel i'm a big wheel. He says exactly.
Starting point is 00:05:46 And I, and I'm like, Oh, I'll get a screenshot of that. Very difficult. She's on screen for not even a second. Like the one shot. I'm like,
Starting point is 00:05:52 that looks great. If I could just, I'm hitting pause. It's not working. Well, if you recall, she was supposed to actually be in the first movie, but they were like,
Starting point is 00:06:01 how do we explain gender and robots? You don't have to, you just put her in. They're talking robots. It's fine. Hey, that one looks a bit more like a girl well it's not it's a robot okay what does that one have an accent and that one doesn't it doesn't matter some of them are racist stereotypes when they just went internet yeah why you why is that one british and that guy like a like a jas Internet, that's right. So let's talk about some new Transformers. So, RC's in this.
Starting point is 00:06:28 Yes. Now, in the movie they're referred to as kind of one unit. They're all RC because there's three of them. But it's also been said that, no, they're actually three distinct Transformers and they don't just have the same name. But Robert Orsi, who's one of the writers on this, said, no, no, they're all RC. I don't think they gave it much thought beyond the design.
Starting point is 00:06:46 Any thought? Yeah, any thought, I would argue, yeah. She does appear in a later movie in Bumblebee. Oh, as traditional cartoon RC, yeah. Which is, that's the best Transformers movie. We're not talking about the good one yet, James. No, I just meant the first five minutes of that movie is the best Transformers movie.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Yeah, no, you're right. But the other ones that we get this time around, we get Soundwave, but he sort of looks like Soundwave. And he doesn't have the vocoder effect on his voice, so why even bother? He's not even blue. Right?
Starting point is 00:07:13 He's a big satellite. He's not even a satellite shooting out cassette tapes. That's what I want. I want a big satellite shooting out cassette tapes that burn up in re-entry. That's what I want. Sure, yeah. He does, though, spit out Ravage, of course,
Starting point is 00:07:24 which is one of his. But then R ravage spits out a much less interesting robot that we have to watch for quite a bit of time you know the really thin one the two-dimensional robot he does get de-spined at the end and i enjoyed that quite a bit yeah they actually slow it down so we see pulling the fronds off a dandelion that's it exactly, exactly. Jetfire is a bad guy, but he's actually a good guy, and he's like, I've got a beard and I'm sick of it. You know that scene? Yeah, yeah. It goes for a really long time. But if you think
Starting point is 00:07:55 that this movie is going to not feature any of your favourites, including any of your favourites that were absolutely 100% confirmed killed in the previous movie, well, it doesn't matter, because they're all back. Jazz, who was literally torn in two in the last movie he's just back but sometimes they can just be back yeah but the weird thing is that a lot of like the problems in this movie they're like oh no optimus prime is dead he's gone forever you brought megatron back with a piece of cube and you have a bit of the cube like you, you have it. You've been carrying it this entire movie. And also, Jazz is back.
Starting point is 00:08:26 Yes. So you can just bring... Just do whatever he did. Yeah. Did they just glue him back together? They just glued him back together. Just a blowtorch? Just welded a couple of...
Starting point is 00:08:34 Just spot welded a couple of points together, and he's fine? There's no consequences in any of these movies, or logic to it. Well, no, no. There's plenty of logic. Here's how it works, James. Megatron's dead from the previous movie, right? He was... Why didn't they shred him logic. Here's how it works, James. Megatron's dead from the previous movie, right? Why didn't they shred him? He's irreversibly dead,
Starting point is 00:08:48 James. So all you have to do is you send five Decepticons to the bottom of the ocean, to the deepest part of the trench where he's left. Then you sacrifice one of the Transformers for spare parts to put him back together, leaving four Transformers. Then Megatron comes back to life. Then there's five Transformers. Then
Starting point is 00:09:03 six Transformers escape from the ocean depths. It's as simple as that, isn't it? It's as simple as that. It's just simple mathematics. That's really funny. So a big part of this movie, you mentioned it but Optimus Prime dies in a pretty good spinning around forest fight.
Starting point is 00:09:18 Because they're in a forest. You don't see a lot of forests in these movies. And the trees are splintering and he's like Hang on, Sam! There's that kind of thing going on. Everyone's really sad and whatever. And the problem with these movies are, I find... Bring me back however we brought back jazz.
Starting point is 00:09:34 How we did it is, I'm dead. I guess we'll never know. It was very simple too. But I think a big problem for a lot of these movies are, there's not a lot of Optimus Prime in them. He always seems to disappear halfway through these movies. It happens in later movies as well. And it would just be nice if we spent the majority of the time,
Starting point is 00:09:50 at the very least, Transformers we know and like. Because Bumblebee is there, right? But he doesn't say anything. He's barely a personality in this. He's just kind of a big, sulky baby. But apparently people like that. People like big, sulky babies who talk in the voice of Tom Hanks. Yeah, that's true true but there's him then you've got the racist twins who were maybe the worst
Starting point is 00:10:10 characters in all of these movies and yet they're the biggest success you know why because they set the trend for every other movie which is just all the transformers constantly arguing and rough housing this one really there was a little bit of that in the first one sure this just really set in stone should we give each of these Transformers a personality no let's just have them scuffle scuffle and say
Starting point is 00:10:30 catchphrases in weird accents there's the horrible little creep you know the little remote control the hump droid really the hump droid
Starting point is 00:10:37 really the hump droid and there's just there's that a lot of humping in this movie a lot of humping a lot of farting yeah
Starting point is 00:10:44 well these are the things I feel that Michael Bay finds funny in these movies. Because you'll see a butt. That is funny. You see a butt. I see where he's coming from. No wonder he makes so much money. But there's that jet fighter does a big fart and a parachute comes out. There's two dogs humping at one point.
Starting point is 00:11:00 Which makes me wonder, there must be a company out there that specialises in humping dogs on film. Like they train them to do it. They train them to do that. They would have to be, yeah. Baze picked up the phone, he's like, give me some humping dogs. No, we're the looking ones. Just little squirrelly chihuahuas that can hump, that's what I need for this.
Starting point is 00:11:18 That's right. Humpdogs.com. Yeah. Speaking of, some of the wonderful human characters in this movie, one of whom is Sam. Sam goes to college in this one. Yeah, yeah. He's got just some cool roommates.
Starting point is 00:11:31 And one of them is like a budding internet entrepreneur. And he's pushing his website, therealeffingdeal.com. Sure. FYI, I checked it out. It's available. Somebody grab it. If anybody wants to blackmail paramount that's your chance because that movie is on every streaming platform and if you wanted to you could do anything you know
Starting point is 00:11:50 anything i mean something nice i mean yeah but really anything yeah because i think that used to be a promotional tool for the other movies but now it's not i guess that's lapsed hasn't it yeah yeah so you mentioned human characters because that's the bulk of this movie really and so much of this is like sam and micha, they love each other so much. They'll never stop loving each other until one of them gets fired. It's excruciating. And his best mate who he goes to college with, it's just a mini John Turturro. That's what they've done.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Yes, that's true. Like a less interesting John Turturro. And then they finally pair those two up and it's like yeah this is what I want to see I was kind of I was kind of you know expecting that but they wanted they would have the heart to heart at a moment they'd be like boy one day I'm gonna meet my long lost son and I'm gonna give him the other half of this medallion that I constantly hold to my heart wait a second I've got half a medallion too never happened though it's a shame no I really didn't I wish Sam's parents were dead I've just made that. I just think they don't contribute anything. There's supposed to be a touching moment where he's like,
Starting point is 00:12:48 run dad, and he's like, I'm not going to leave you. I'm not going to leave you. You needed Michael Bay to stand up in the back of the scene and be like, that's what this movie's about. It's about letting go of your children. That's what I do with all these movies. I just shove them out the door, and then I never think about them again. I don't think twice.
Starting point is 00:13:03 There's no continuity from one to the next. Don't even think about it. Like my actual children. That's how this works. I watched a bunch of behind the scenes stuff and it just reinforced a few things to me about these movies. This is peak Michael Bay and seeing him on set, I know he gets a lot of flack and whatever and he certainly has his problems and puts very problematic and awkward and stupid
Starting point is 00:13:25 things in his movies but i do like watching his high energy and his kind of manic nature there's going to be a compilation ben's going to do it it's incredible but it's just just a madman running around yelling at people and everyone kind of hates each other and they're all making fun of each other it's it's actually quite it seems like it's quite fun and also dangerous on set because there is that the world's big. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are
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Starting point is 00:14:42 Just on-camera explosion happened during this movie. That massive airstrike, yeah. Which has since been surpassed. See ya. I would say so, yeah. Probably buy another Transformers movie. No doubt. Did you enjoy the... No. Go on. Did you enjoy when the Jordanians rolled in? And they're like, it's the Jordanians! They've come to save us in two helicopters! Oh, they've been shot down immediately. They've been shot down.
Starting point is 00:15:14 So here's the thing, because they filmed some of this in Jordan. Yes. And my guess is they had to put that in for... I have a piece of trivia here for you, James. The royal family? The Jordanian royal family, who loved Transformers 2007,
Starting point is 00:15:26 provided the Royal Jordanian Air Force for assistance. I don't know anything else about the Jordanian royal family, but what I do know is they collectively loved the movie Transformers 2007. That's what brought them all together. There was going to be a civil war. There was going to be a coup. Oh, really? The royal family was going to splinter from the inside in 2007,
Starting point is 00:15:45 but then they saw Transformers 2007. And whatever their version of Harry and Meghan was decided to stay. Is that right? That's exactly absolutely right. Terrific. But even then, if they love these movies, surely they couldn't be happy with their contribution to this. Here they come.
Starting point is 00:15:57 Oh, no, forget it. Don't worry. That's right. They're just devastated. It's a mess, isn't it? It doesn't look like anything. I mean, it's supposed to look like a gorilla, I guess, or a giant anteater or something.
Starting point is 00:16:07 I mean, it's obviously a technical marvel because it's apparently just crashing computers, building this thing, trying to get it to run. Even making a frame of that thing work is just incomprehensible in terms of computing power. But it's just like, what is this even? What are you even doing? It's a massive framework for a for
Starting point is 00:16:25 a scrotum joke is what it is ultimately you're not wrong they just needed a thing they were like what's they just needed a thing that does a sky beam yeah the equivalent of a sky beam but they're like well you did sky beam last time probably and we're gonna do it next time so what do we have this time big vacuum yeah to unveil the sky beam that's exactly right yeah but the thing about the final segment of this movie, which we talked about up top, it's so chaotic and incredible and loud that it just kind of,
Starting point is 00:16:50 it washes over you and becomes nothing. You know what I mean? It's just noise. When I was watching the behind the scenes of this, they're detailing how they split a battleship in half and it just, the complexity it took to recreate this thing digitally and then blend it with the real life one and make it happen. And took to recreate this thing digitally and then blend it
Starting point is 00:17:05 with the real life one and make it happen and i'm watching this and i'm like i don't remember this in the movie like i sat down i watched it but i do not remember this happening at all and look should we be critiquing these movies we barely remember i mean probably not but hey that's a critique in itself though isn't it hey hey are you going to make us watch him again? I don't think so. Never again. Never again. So the scrotum bit that you mentioned though, the point is.
Starting point is 00:17:31 The legendary scrotum bit, sure. John Turturro has to tell the army where it is so they can shoot it with their new laser. It's a railgun, James. Whatever, man. But they can see it, right? We'll get emails about the big laser gun. We get them anyway. It doesn't, fuck it.
Starting point is 00:17:44 It doesn't matter. So the Navy can already see it, but he's giving them coordinates just just look just say look at the pyramid and there's a monster on top of one of the pyramids and shoot the monster find the pyramid on google earth and just just hit all the pyramids who cares it doesn't matter does it and the other thing is who's gonna stop you the jordanians they sent their entire military and the other thing is if you've got a giant laser, it's a laser, isn't it? Just have them shoot the thing that's inside the pyramid. You know what I loved about this movie?
Starting point is 00:18:12 What did you love? The bit when Shia LaBeouf went to Autobot heaven and some ghost told him that he was a great Autobot leader. And that was good. That's pretty good, right? You're the true Optimus Prime or whatever that bit was supposed to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What baffles me about those Primes of old,
Starting point is 00:18:26 how they were so insistent that the fallen, the fallen Prime, main villain of this movie, we haven't brought it up, it's not really matter. He's not anything. They're never anything. No. His head looks slightly more like a cucumber than the other villains. That's right.
Starting point is 00:18:40 That's his defining characteristic. There's a new one in every movie. There's the Leonard Nimoy one. There's Gunface. Don't even worry about it. Don't worry about it. That's his defining characteristic. There's a new one in every movie. There's the Leonard Nimoy one. There's Gunface. Don't even worry about it. Don't worry about it. But the idea that it's so important that this guy never gets the matrix of leadership that they decide to just huddle around it and become a cave.
Starting point is 00:18:55 What are you thinking? You think a rock wall is going to stop him? It did for a million years, though. I guess it did, didn't it? Joke's on you, isn't it, James? Yeah, but those ice cream van brothers just tumble through the wall by accident and find it yep also if you really wanted to protect it you know just the movie had to happen james sure but if you really wanted to protect it
Starting point is 00:19:14 just sit in a circle around it just point your guns do that do that for a million years it seems like a better idea the other thing about the matrix of leadership is and look i'm a bit more vague on this movie version you can't just use it. From the original movie, the 80s one, Galvatron wears... The original movie, the first movie ever made, I remember vaguely. Galvatron wears it around his neck like he's Flavor Flav, but it doesn't really do anything unless you're kind of worthy.
Starting point is 00:19:39 You know what I mean? Exactly right, yeah. I don't know, man. It's just a thing to get, isn't it? Well, there's different rules in these movies, which is to say there are no rules. That's how this works. Look, here's some miscellaneous stuff that I noticed.
Starting point is 00:19:50 I hope you wouldn't mind if I go through it. Special shout-outs to the absolute poindexter of a presidential liaison. Oh, my God. He's not wearing a bow tie, but when I think back, he definitely is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just wandering through and being like, I think you'll find that the i think you'll find that these this message from the president says that i should show up and just ruin everything
Starting point is 00:20:09 for everyone i think that's my whole job i think i think the autobot should get out of here because i mean what else what else is the the decepticons here for except to look like look for the corpse of their leader and a piece of the artifact that can resurrect him and uh the locations of which i will say out loud to anyone who happens to be eavesdropping you know but they get rid of him they get rid of him in classic 80s action movie style which is to put a parachute on him and then jettison him out of a plane maybe he survives maybe he doesn't no he does he's on the ground later you say no but they don't know at the time well they definitely don't know that's actually not a bad sequence they play where they get rid of it that's a classic throwback. I also mentioned in the previous movie that this one has the best joke in it,
Starting point is 00:20:48 and it does. Oh, I found it here. I've written it here. I think I know what you're talking about. It's when Sam Witwicky says to a fraternity dude, sorry, the driver of this car is off to buy you a tighter shirt, and the guy's like, there isn't a tighter shirt. We checked.
Starting point is 00:21:02 That's a good joke. It is a good joke. I'm here for it. Good joke award. Ding. I mean, all humour is subjective. Some people find the testicle bit fun when Megan Fox is lying on someone's testicles
Starting point is 00:21:15 and is like, you're squashing my testicles. The Decepticons sure dropped Sam Witwicky from a helicopter at a very impressive height and somehow still expected him to be alive after they cut his car in half. Remember that bit yeah that guy they famously need alive yeah because they the information he's got he's got too much so it's all in his head and rain wilson's like i don't like this guy just drop him off just drop him out of a helicopter and just just get a great height optimus prime was fine saw his car in a bit and be like probably still be fine won't he won't
Starting point is 00:21:43 this won't scramble his brains. No, not at all. Also, speaking of Rainn Wilson, what I did enjoy is that he's meant to be like, I think, a Harrison Ford, Indiana Jones-esque professor. Subverted. Where all the students are in love with him. It's class number one, semester one, astronomy 101. Why are they all in love with him already?
Starting point is 00:22:02 It's very odd. That is very odd. One of them picks up a dirty apple that he's eaten off the ground. He's like, thank you. Bounced off his shoe as well. Gross. Ladies, stand up for yourselves. Have some self-esteem.
Starting point is 00:22:14 Agreed. I mean, it's famous actor Rainn Wilson. You would have seen him from The Office. Good point, exactly. That famously grotesque character. No wonder you'd fall in love with him. Here's a piece of trivia. When being attacked by Grindor, Leo screams,
Starting point is 00:22:25 we're going to die. This was the catchphrase of the maximal rat trap who appeared in Beast Wars Transformers. Come on. That's a stretch. I would say if you're going to give that, if you're going to say we're going to die as a catchphrase, probably applies to a lot of people.
Starting point is 00:22:41 Yeah, absolutely. A lot of characters in film history. I've written here, the scene where the Decepticons interrogate Sam is just the one from The Matrix, but it's got 10 years more advanced visual effects, but it looks worse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Starting point is 00:22:53 That's great. That's great stuff. If I saw The Fallen broadcast his message to Earth on a television, like my regular TV broadcast was interrupted by this message, this sinister message from The Fallen, I would definitely wonder what flavor of Mountain Dew they're selling. Is there a new flavor? my regular TV broadcast was interrupted by this message, this sinister message from the forum.
Starting point is 00:23:08 I would definitely wonder what flavour of Mountain Dew they're selling. Is there a new flavour? Yeah, yeah. Where can I get it? Yeah. This broom's incredible, this talking broom. I want to do what he says. I've written here,
Starting point is 00:23:19 Optimus Prime after his death gets dumped onto a tarmac like a sack of manure. I really enjoyed that so much. It's a good film. They don't even gingerly drop him down or like reverently drop him into the tarmac. There's this sweeping instrumental score of this incredibly tragic thing that's happened and then just bang!
Starting point is 00:23:35 Pretty good stuff. I do want to talk about Optimus Prime, actually. Okay, let's do it. So he's awful. Oh, yeah. He point blank executes somebody at the start of this movie, but he's like, ah, the fallen will rise.
Starting point is 00:23:47 And Optimus Prime is like, shut up. Shoots him point blank. I mean, I feel like he also gets worse in these movies as they go. But there's a moment where he comes back and they're like, get up, Optimus. So Jetfire gives him his parts so he can kind of become this hybrid kind of situation and defeat the fallen. This bonus toy. That's bonus toy. That's right.
Starting point is 00:24:04 Walmart exclusive. Yes. Doesn't say toy, that's right. Walmart exclusive. Yes. Doesn't say thank you. And then he says, I know, then he says, let's roll. And then he flies off. Okay, whatever. Semantics.
Starting point is 00:24:13 And then what he says just before he destroys the fallen. He says, give me your face. That's right. I rewound it. I put on subtitles. He definitely says it. It's not a reference to like a cartoon thing as far as I know. It's not a pun.
Starting point is 00:24:28 No. It's not a thing that the fallen said earlier and it's an ironic poetic death for him. He just says, give me your face. And then after he's finished with the jet fire parts, he just shrugs him off onto the ground like they're nothing and walks away. There's not even an acknowledgement of him. It's like like great work sam you did a really good job you're the
Starting point is 00:24:48 you're a true hero what about that dude you just fucking flew around with and then dumped like a sack of potatoes i mean i guess that's how he was treated so yeah that's true whatever i guess as long as sam's fine i guess that's the important thing isn't it that's right it's look to be honest it's not as bad as i remember yeah it's again mitigating factor of yeah if you're not in the cinema you can do anything you want anything you want that's right and that goes for life in general or if you're in my new invention the cinema cube the cinema apartment the sin apartment apartment yeah so yeah i think it's the maybe it's it's my memory i think of the mark walberg ones that may be tainting everything in general i don't know i think it's just consistently just nonsense movies that have
Starting point is 00:25:30 worn me down over over the years but genuinely surprised that i wasn't like i hate this so much because it's it's it's exactly what you think it is right for good or ill you get that thing don't you you absolutely do just put some transformers we like in it though can we see them and hang out with them for a little bit please do you know what i mean though uh let me answer that right now no we may not for at least another decade is that how this works i think that's how it works yeah anyways this has been caravan of garbage we do this every week you can actually get these videos early plus the extended audio editions at bigsandwich.co if you sign up they go up early every week don't can actually get these videos early, plus the extended audio editions at bigsandwich.co.
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Starting point is 00:26:18 Next week we'll be back for... Another one of these, the next one. Patrick Dempsey's in it. I don't think i've seen this one oh really maybe this this maybe this is the mystery worst one for me i don't know yet this is the one without megan fox where they have replacement megan fox and they're like what do you think of this and i'm like worse actually i bet worse not surprised at all yeah so we'll talk about all that including the situation long-suffering Megan Fox, I would say. Yeah, you're not wrong.
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