The Weekly Planet - Tron - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: October 7, 2025

It's that time again. When Disney decides it's time to wring more money out of the Tron franchise with the release of Tron: Ares. So to celebrate (🫠) we're releasing two Caravan Of Garbages this ...week with this, original classic Tron 1982 and then Tron: Legacy. And boy does original Tron have a lot going on. Jeff Bridges. Ground breaking special effects. Computers. Glowing Pyjamas. Thanks for watching our Caravan Of Garbage reviewSUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of Caravanagh Garbage, where we're doing two this week. Whoa! Because it's a big Tron week. Tron is back. And you made a scheduling error. I made a scheduling error, so there's not going to be one next week, but there's two this week. Whoa! Are you excited to revisit the world of Tron by rewatching the movie Tron 1 from 1982?
Starting point is 00:00:20 Please leave a like. Tron 1.0. Wow. Because computers. Because computer. I mean, you're basically, we're doing this because there is a new Tron movie coming out, but you basically wanted to re-watch Tron Legacy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:00:31 You've told me that in confidence. You just want to watch Tron Legacy, and so we have to get through the first one. You betrayed me so much just now. Yeah. With your words and actions. That's right. I'm a real clue, too, in Tron Legacy.
Starting point is 00:00:44 I haven't re-watched it yet. I don't know what you're talking about. All right, okay. I've got to say, though, in coming back to this, it's very cutting edge. Uh-huh. There really is nothing like this movie. It's ambitious.
Starting point is 00:00:58 So ambitious. There's no Pixar without Tron, the advancements it made in... There's no pixels without Tron. That's true. Well, that's not true. That would still be pixels. I mean, the concept of pixels. Okay, sure. You can't prove that that's not true. The movie or the... The concept of pixels. Okay, but also the movie.
Starting point is 00:01:13 Yes. Yeah. It's so ahead of its time, but also, what a drag, man. What a fucking drag of a movie. Fun jokes. Big Door. Yep. The stories kind of, it's not... It's really basic and... And maybe this was...
Starting point is 00:01:30 It's a kids' movie. Yeah, it's a kids' movie. It's a Disney kids' movie. It didn't start like that. And I guess in this, you're not leaning on the story so much as you are... Because it's Spartacus, among other things. It's The Matrix, before The Matrix. But, you know, they leaned into the visuals and the idea of what is a computer world.
Starting point is 00:01:49 Like, that's what carries this movie essentially. Sparkichus? Thank you. I'm going to spend the rest of this video trying to think of a Spartacus. I think you did it already. It's not computer enough. Biticus. Not bad.
Starting point is 00:02:01 Tronicus. Yes, perfect. Put a fork in it, we're done. Put a computer fork in it. So this started with a small team of animators, one of them being Steve Lisberger, who directed this. Okay. They'd done things before, like the Animal Olympics animated,
Starting point is 00:02:16 which they'd put little segments in between. I don't know what that is. They did the Winter Olympics, and then they were going to do one. Oh, I thought you meant the actual Olympics? Yeah. Okay. Little animated snippets. that would go in between the games.
Starting point is 00:02:29 I thought even a movie called Animal Olympics, which I'd never heard of. No, they were like, oh, look, what's the penguin up to? Whatever, you know, in between stuff. Okay. It doesn't sound like they really committed to it. Well, they did, and then they finished the second one, which was supposed to come out in 1980, but then the US boycotted that because it was the Moscow Olympics.
Starting point is 00:02:49 Oh. So that freed them up to put Tron together and take it to Disney. And Disney looked at this and went, We don't understand this, but look, we've been making Herbie sequels. Sure, sure, sure. The Apple Dumpling Gang, like, their live-action slate was pretty dire, and they wanted to get back to the core of what Walt Disney believed in. Condor Man, or was that afterwards?
Starting point is 00:03:11 That was probably around this time, yeah. Superheroes were big now around now, weren't they? You better believe they were then now. Sure. But apparently they loved the adventure element. It was cutting edge. It was in the spirit of Walt Disney because he was always embracing new technology, mostly animatronics and cryogenics
Starting point is 00:03:27 How do you feel about Trond though? There's a lot of interesting stuff in it But it's often upon a rewatch It's often quite jarring Like the moments where they transition from Some guys in, you know, Togas, cybertogas And then they're like, now let's get in the light cycles And it just cuts to like a silent field of nothing
Starting point is 00:03:51 And then they're in the light cycles You know, just there's never any, there's never any real sense of transition to the, the sparse computer generated scenes. But I would say those computer generated scenes for the time, incredible, look amazing. I still think that the element of design in them has held up. Sid Meir did a bunch of work on this. From Civilization. Yes, and also Blade Runner. Oh.
Starting point is 00:04:16 Yeah. Wait, is that civilization? Did he do the game civilization? He did one of them. It wasn't Age of Empires. I'm thinking of it a different Sid, maybe. You might be thinking of Sid from Toy Story.
Starting point is 00:04:27 I might be thinking of Sid vicious. Civilisation. What civilisation? I'm thinking of Sidney. She's producing. She's doing all sorts of stuff. Doing all sorts of things. She's always hitting a baby with a rock in a movie.
Starting point is 00:04:39 Excuse me? That happened in that movie. Did it? Okay, great. Yeah, but it is, I guess we should talk about the story. Yes. Because a lot of people might not know what this even is. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:49 It is kind of complicated in terms of when you're initially dropped into this world because there's people create programs and then those programs look like them for some reason and they go about tasks and they're like, I'll work in savings and loans and I'm like, what do you mean? Do you mean like in the computer
Starting point is 00:05:04 or you work for like a bank doing that? And now you have to drive a motorcycle against the guy from Ninja Turtles 2 Secret of the Euse. Yes. The answer is yes. Okay, so Jeff Bridges, a young Jeff Bridges. Ooh. Not the only time he'll be young in a Tron movie.
Starting point is 00:05:21 It's the only time He'll be realistically and not unpleasantly young. He's a hot shot programmer named Kevin Flynn, and he worked at a company called Encom, and he created all these cool video games, and he was going to present him to the board, and he'd going to become rich and famous and become their number one hotshot programmer guy.
Starting point is 00:05:39 But before he could do that, a guy called Dillinger, who swept in an uncool guy in a three-piece suit, not cool at all. He was like, I've come up with these cool games. But he didn't. The same games. But here's the thing. He did create a program called the Master Control Program,
Starting point is 00:05:51 I mean, that's pretty good. It is amazing. It could get into the Pentagon, apparently. It's a self-aware, freaking whatever. Lives in a desk. There's a lot of extended law to the Tron University. It explains how that happened, but it stole all his programs. And now this guy's the VP of Encom or whatever.
Starting point is 00:06:08 And Kevin Flynn, he got fired or quit or something, and now he works it at an arcade. His own arcade. He had enough capital to just, you know, make it an arcade. Yeah, he worked a summer job, but he bought an arcade. That's exactly right. He's got Flynn's arcade, and now he hangs out, but he plays out. but he plays now he has to play all these games that he created but this guy has he so good at them because he made them exactly but then one day he's like you know he he and his friends that
Starting point is 00:06:31 still work at ncom they're like we're going to go back to ncom we're going to risk our jobs with you flin yeah we're going to go back to ncom under cover of darkness why can't they do this in daytime i don't know but then they go they go back there and they're like we're going to find the evidence on the computers that this guy stole you print it out and go and it will have a code golden or whatever and then you can tell the police. He can tell the police. And they'll be like, we don't get this. We don't understand any of this. This is, we're arresting you for wasting our time or whatever else we can think of.
Starting point is 00:07:02 But then he goes in there, Flynn goes in there to steal it under cover of night. To steal it, or to steal it back. And then, but what he hasn't realized is that the master control program is getting into all sorts of, you know, Netflix. It found a laser. It's going to do all sorts. It's going to take over the world or whatever. and he doesn't want Flynn to reveal to the world
Starting point is 00:07:23 that he, Master Control Program, is self-aware and is going to take over the world. So he's like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to suck this guy right off into the computer. You know? Yeah. Luckily, he's got a laser that sucks you off into a computer. And Jeff Bridges is like, oh.
Starting point is 00:07:39 Which is a great effect, by the way. Yeah, it is. I mean, and also, like, you know, talk about influential. I mean, you know, engineers and computer programmers all over the world since then have tried to create, devices connected to computers that will suck you right off into the computer. You know what I mean? So this is influential in many ways, this movie.
Starting point is 00:07:57 That effect is great, by the way. Yeah, I agree with you. That digital effect where he gets turned into cubes. Yeah. He gets cubed. It's good. I mean, they cube an orange before, and they're like an orange is in here. How do you know?
Starting point is 00:08:07 There's a regurgitate a video clip where they get sucked off into the computer. Have you seen that? Fuck, yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, pretty cool, right? That is pretty cool. Yeah. But anyway, then he gets into the computer where everybody's like, hey, what are you a program?
Starting point is 00:08:19 He's like, no, I'm not. I'm a guy. I'm a guy. And they're like, some of us believe in guys and some of us don't. You know? But anyway, and all, every program, what if you create, every program you create looks like you. What if you create two programs? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:34 Both look like you? What if you're the guy in Microsoft? Well, there's clue and there's clue too. What if you're the guy in Microsoft that created notes and mind sweeper and clipy? Oh, okay. In the computer, do they all look like you? Yes. Huh.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Or is this just a, I was going to say, is it like an approximation of what this world looks like. But no, they literally look like these people, don't they? That's right. Yeah. Because Jeff Bridges' character, his program is called Clue, and Clue is killed. So when he comes in, they're like, are you clue? And he's like, nah. No, you haven't got a clue, mate.
Starting point is 00:09:02 But that's convenient because then they don't have to have two clues on screen. Exactly. Because that doesn't work. No. If you try that in real life. You've got to do it later. If you're going to do it at all. And also in this world, every video game has like a little guy in it.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Because at the start, he's playing like a light cycle game or whatever. And I think that's also, is that that's also. linked to the world of tron it's not the world of tron's a guy tron's a guy it's not the world right all right the world is encom grid or something is it i i guess it's just the the ncom server yeah yeah it's the four megabytes of space that existed so when he plays the light cycle game in his arcade yeah is there just a guy in that machine experiencing death over and over again i believe so yeah just two guys yeah yeah do you think they're friends do you think they do you think they clock in like the wolf and the sheep or whatever in those old
Starting point is 00:09:49 Like Looney Tunes cartoons? Yeah, probably. They just clock in next to each other and they're like, well, better play the light cycle game to our death again. Time to experience nothingness for a quarter at a time. Also, they didn't even control the light cycle. The guy on the outside
Starting point is 00:10:03 controls the light cycle. But they're playing against the computer so I guess the computer is controlling the light cycle. I guess they only get to experience the power of choice. Maybe during the demo mode? Yeah. But that would just repeat over a moment. It would loop. Yeah, it would loop.
Starting point is 00:10:17 So if you create a program like you said, then you get to name the program that does, that looks like you and works for you. And I think one of the most unrealistic aspects of that is they're given quite, I don't know, like defined and like computerized kind of names like clue and bit and spark and dork or whatever.
Starting point is 00:10:35 Ram. Ram. Well, really, it would be so-and-so-69. Sure, yeah. But, but. 420 and so forth. Yeah, various names that people are choosing.
Starting point is 00:10:44 But I guess this was the early day. Undescore final. Yeah, that's right. They should have stupider names, is what I'm saying. But also, when you're on the outside world and you're interacting with the world of Tron, you're like, give me access, you're typing it away.
Starting point is 00:10:58 Give me access, Mr. Computer. Yeah. Be my friend. There's a moment where Jeff Bridges sends in Clue. I have number one access. Don't forget about it. Access, denied. You have to fight a tank.
Starting point is 00:11:10 How? What do you see? It's just text. So Clu's like, I'm fighting. I'm in a tank. And Jeff Bridges is just like, probably. and you're just looking at text and the text says your tank crashed or whatever
Starting point is 00:11:22 I didn't even know I had I didn't even know I had a tank you type if I knew I had a tank I would have typed differently you're a bad program you should have told me you were in a tank I would have said fire the gun of the tank yeah to shoot the other program
Starting point is 00:11:40 that's what I would have done yeah I don't know my head canon for this tank cannon thank you is that most computers aren't like this, but it's like, because the master control program is like artificially intelligent and sentient or whatever, it's created this world. Yeah, okay. You get what I mean?
Starting point is 00:11:57 So like, normally, if you were like, give me access to a computer, and it'd be like, error. Do not recognize syntax. No thanks. But because it's like, but the, the, the MCP has created this world. Okay. You know, well, let's believe in that. Let's believe in that magic, you know what I mean? And I find it interesting that just like when you're experiencing the world of
Starting point is 00:12:17 in the movie you can't see what it is that's what it was for animating this so they would enter like hundreds of numbers of data of input and and camera moves and things moving like swooping around and you didn't know what that would look like until you would see it projected like the final result printed on film so it's like a shot in the dark at what you're making you can't just do it and then just watch it unfold on a screen you just you didn't know you were saying as an actor No, I'm saying as a programmer For the computer generated bits Yeah, yeah, yeah
Starting point is 00:12:51 And because the world right What a disgusting looking world Fucking hideous I thought a lot of it was delightful I know Also for people who don't know Over an hour We've got a service called
Starting point is 00:13:05 Big Sandwich.com And you've been And it's bonus content And you've been playing a lot of the Tron games We've got an hour long video Of me playing Tron games And you hate the Tron universe It's awful to exist in for a long period of time.
Starting point is 00:13:19 Because if you find it claustrophobic? It's claustrophobic and it's... It hurts your eyes? There's no sun and everything's like fucking bleeping and blooping at you and fluro. So you don't like the light piping on everything? No. After an... And even like the newer stuff, which looks incredible.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Even just being in this world, it's exhausting. And also, you know, you look at this movie and it's just people taking different vehicles to different blue-gray rooms. Yes. And it's just, it's very taxing. And I don't know whether it's just me because I feel bad saying that because this feels like it was made specifically for people like me. Awful nerds. Yes. But I'm like, I reject this wholeheartedly.
Starting point is 00:14:02 You spent so much time on this and I reject it. It's what you would have said if you're old enough to see this in cinemas at the time. That's right. You'd have walked out and been like, I reject this is bad. And you know what it is? it's not the stuff in the real world because that shit all looks amazing it's filmed beautifully
Starting point is 00:14:20 and it's not the computer graphics stuff because I think that's very interesting and there's a fluidity to it it's all the people standing on grids and this was most of this stuff was not computer generated and they're backlit and they've got the light coming through them
Starting point is 00:14:36 and it's like flickering on and off they're black and white because it's filmed in black and white and then it's colorized later with like multiple layers I've filmed that they're separating and then bring back together sometimes like dozens of elements
Starting point is 00:14:48 to have something in the background and your suit lights up and your face is grey and you're holding a fucking whatever A frisbee A frisbee You've got a frisbee with your life on it Yeah
Starting point is 00:15:00 You've got a frisbee with that contains your soul So don't drop it Don't drop it But you can throw it Yeah you can throw it And there's just this Awful smear And everything's got a black outline around it
Starting point is 00:15:10 And I find it's just And it is that thing like you said earlier, there's a real jarring effect when you jump between one or the other. Because I don't know if there's any shots or if there are very few where you see a computer generated image and then a person and the camera is moving because you can't. Yeah. Because it's not, you'd have to match the movement which at this time was impossible. I could have done it.
Starting point is 00:15:34 Yeah, you probably could have figured it out. Yeah. Yeah. So most of the camera shots in the world of Tron, which is what it's called, they're locked down. Yes. Because if you move it, there's a juttering and then it does. It's like a play. Yeah, it is like a play.
Starting point is 00:15:46 But again... It's like a bedroom farce. Oh, no, I've gone to a fancy dinner, but I've left my identity disc with my soul on it back at the hotel. More, you know? Very good, Mason. But again, love the ideas. I think light cycles are incredible.
Starting point is 00:16:03 And in this, incredible. If you look at the concept art, it's beautiful. But it's not like what George Lucas did with Star Wars where you got all these beautiful Ralph Macquarie pieces. which you could pretty much almost one-to-one translate. Here you can't really. When you're in a room and there's like a big light-up wall with a face on it and a guy walking around and someone's in a big bubbly suit,
Starting point is 00:16:26 it's not good to look at. Or he's welded to his desk. You know, the guy stuck in his desk for a bit? I mean, he gets out of the desk, but for a long time he's like... He's stuck in that goddamn desk. Yeah, I mean, isn't that a metaphor, you know? Yes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:40 In a way we're welded to this podcast equipment. In a certain way we are, Mason. We should have taken that Saudi Arabia money. Do you think? Yes. To do this podcast there. I think so too. But I will say it is an absolute travesty that this was disqualified by the Academy Awards for special effects
Starting point is 00:16:58 because they thought using computers was cheating. Like that's outrageous because there is, I mean, again, when the recogniser is like flying around and whatever, and yeah, it's a wireframe and whatever. And by today's standards, it's not much, is it? But it's incredible. You know, when you see the light cycle being followed through like the canyon? Yes. Amazing stuff, Mason.
Starting point is 00:17:20 What you're saying is that filmmakers should embrace new technology and the academy should celebrate that. Always. And you're saying AI. What are you saying? You're saying AI. I'm saying remake the movie Bay Wolf in AI. Your two points are Saudi Arabia money and embrace AI. Correct.
Starting point is 00:17:42 Okay. Terrific. I think people are very understanding of where I'm coming from. I think so, too. Anyways, back to the story. They're running around. There is a bit of running around. Because they've got to get to...
Starting point is 00:17:53 They've got to get to the center of the computer, which is a big face. Yeah. Because Tron, who's a character. Because it's Bruce Boxliner. Who's also on the outside world changes his identity disc. And if you drop it into Thron at the end, the big face. The MCP. It's not called Tron.
Starting point is 00:18:10 Yes. Then it'll disrupt the system and everybody will be free to go back to work or whatever they... Oh, hell yeah. That's right. Go back to being a spreadsheet program or whatever. Damn, I wish I wasn't this cool neon adventurer. I wish I was a spreadsheet again. Yeah. Adding up tables and columns and such. Incredible. And there's moments where like, oh my God, you're a real guy, Kevin Flynn. I reckon when, if you were a spreadsheet guy and you suddenly got replaced by Google Docs, you'd wish you were a neon adventurer again.
Starting point is 00:18:41 Sure. Throw on a disc, having like a curved catching thing on your arm. The high-l-eye. It's called a high-l-eye stick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I know there's like hard rules around the world of Tron. No, there's not. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:18:54 Because at the end, towards the end, Tron has to fight the guy from Ninja Turtles 2 secret of the ewes. Correct, yes. And he throws his discs so well that it breaks the other guy's discs and splits his head open. Yes. But why? Is it because he got, he believed in himself more? Correct, yes. That gives you power.
Starting point is 00:19:11 in the digital world. Yeah, but the guy from Ninja Turtles, he had a bloody, he got powers from the big face that powered him up. Agreed. But did you see him believe in himself? I saw him,
Starting point is 00:19:20 yeah, he seemed to be for a lot of it. Nah. But it ends with, because they're all kind of, also everybody keeps dying or people like, oh, that guy died
Starting point is 00:19:28 and then they didn't. That happens like nine times. Well, yeah, I mean, they never really get into like the idea of, if your program is deleted in the real world, wouldn't you just have a backup?
Starting point is 00:19:38 Yeah. Wouldn't you just, couldn't you just do a copy of it? Couldn't you just, I don't know. Yes. Would that guy have the same personality? He wouldn't remember his own death. You'd think not, yeah. No, but I don't know.
Starting point is 00:19:47 But there's a lot of like, oh, that guy got some rubble fell on him and now he's dead. No, he's not. He's just running around. Yeah. It's boring. Do you think that when a program is deleted in the, like you just click on it and you hit delete, do you think they die in a different way each time? They don't know what's going to happen?
Starting point is 00:20:05 Like battle chess? Yeah, like in battle chess. Like, you're like, oh, I don't know, I got a better calculator program. I'll just delete this old calculator program. And then just a, the program is walking around and the server just a giant black knight with a javelin. Just runs at him out of nowhere. They're like, oh God, no, not again.
Starting point is 00:20:25 Stabbed. Just held up by this big, this big jousting pile. Like, oh, and you don't even think about it. As the guy on the outside, you're like, nope, delete, whatever. And this guy's suffering like no one's ever suffered ever before. Feels like eternity. Yeah. Being held aloft by the jousting pole
Starting point is 00:20:45 I love how My digital children They've got children Yeah it's a thing I guess At the end so There's the big face And Jeff Bridges is gonna He's like I'm gonna jump in and defeat the big face
Starting point is 00:20:57 And there's a woman in this And she's like Don't do it, you get DRES And he's like well I reckon I'll be fine And he is He is fine He can just do it I guess because he's a guy
Starting point is 00:21:07 He has influence on the world He can control stuff He also gets to redo his romance Because he used to date a woman in real life. Hell yeah. But then that woman is now dating Bruce Boxline. In the Tron world, they're there again, but they're digital.
Starting point is 00:21:20 So now you can kiss that one again. This is way easier. Yeah, that's right. We've got no history here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not just some loser. Exactly. I'm not leaving my junk all over the bathroom.
Starting point is 00:21:29 You know what I mean? And you know, there's a revelation that humans are flawed, just like programs. Wow, wow, wow. They're just making it up as they go along and maybe that'll tie into Tron, second I don't think it will. No, I don't think it will. No, probably won't. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:44 I just want to shout out Wendy Carlos' score, who previously worked on Clockwork Orange and the Shining. It's got the right amount of bleep bloop I feel. It does. I don't know if there is like, I couldn't be like, this is the Tron theme. I don't know if there's like a sweeping kind of... Tron, Tron, Tron, Tron, Tron, Tron, Tron, Tron, Tron, Tron, Tron, Tron, Tron, Tron, Tron. That's fine. That's fine.
Starting point is 00:22:09 Yeah. Because I made such a beautiful identical rendition. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. Anyway, Tron's soundtrack, you know? Anyways, you know what's time for?
Starting point is 00:22:17 What's the time for? What's the time for? Trivon! Oh, yes. This is the trivia section of the show where I tell you things about Tron that you don't know. Maybe I know. Let's see if you know this. Those are actual frisbys that they use.
Starting point is 00:22:28 Yeah, I knew that. I guess you could see it. I mean, I didn't know for sure. But it's just a plastic frisbee? It looked very much like just a plastic frisbee, yeah. Okay, fine. During the Solar Sail Flight over the Virtual Landscape. Gave. Solar sail, great concept, loved it.
Starting point is 00:22:40 Yeah, sure. Looks cool. Yeah. It's better in the new one, obviously. Agreed. And the fact that they got the sale transparent, apparently that was very difficult, but it adds a lot to it, I think. They made, you know, used an umbrella. They probably did use an umbrella. One of the lakes they go over, it's the shape of Mickey Mouse.
Starting point is 00:22:54 Oh. And that's fun. The original story of this, written by Bonnie McBird, had the character of Kevin Flynn as a crazed pizza delivery boy who wanders into a computer lab. Oh, yeah. And then he hits a button, and then he goes in. It's sucked off into the computer. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:09 Yeah, yeah. Pizza guy? Yeah. That's a porno. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, in the 80s, I don't know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:18 I don't know what they're doing now. Feels like an outdated concept. Don't look into it, I would say. Yeah, yeah. Probably now it's a daughter-d-or-bid-or-bidcoin salesman in a porno. Ugh. That's way worse. Yeah, it's worse.
Starting point is 00:23:29 Also, Peter O'Toole was originally approached to play Dillinger. Uh-huh, yeah. But he wanted to play Tron. And apparently during a meeting, O'Toole jumped on the furniture and declared, I can do this. He claimed that he wanted Tron on his tombstone right next to Lawrence of Arabia. Huh.
Starting point is 00:23:44 Anyway, he was cast as Ed Dillinger slash Sark, but he dropped out when he realized that there were no tanks or anything. He's like, I'm just standing in a black room because all this was shot on black screen. It was originally going to be white, but you have to light up everything to be perfectly white.
Starting point is 00:24:01 And they'd have to paint it white again over and over and over again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they did it this way. Wow. I mean, that sort of makes sense. Yeah. Like, you know, you want to be in the forefront of cinema and stuff? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:24:12 Imagine having to explain to Peter O'T that you can't be Tron because Tron's a different guy. You know what I mean? Yeah. Tron's actually being played by Bruce Boxline. Well, he's already got a role in this movie. Well, he's going to be the guy and he's also going to be Toronto. He's two guys.
Starting point is 00:24:29 Sir Peter O'Toole. Where are the tanks that you're building? Oh dear, Peter. Oh dear, they're in that box. They're in that beige box there. That's too small. ball for a tank? A box the size of a room?
Starting point is 00:24:40 How would you even fit a tank in that? Yeah, big computers, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what I put it or a tool set like in real life. I'm assuming. It's like that. Big. Big.
Starting point is 00:24:49 Yeah, big. Big and British. Yeah. In terms of box office, huge bomb. Disgusting return on investment. Oh, yes. I thought. But on a budget of $17 million in its initial release, it made 50.
Starting point is 00:25:02 I always assumed that this lost a lot of money. Did all right. Yeah, it did. I mean, also the arcade game. games that came out, outgrossed the film immensely. Interesting. The merch on this did really well. That's why we ended up getting more Tron, like much later.
Starting point is 00:25:16 And also because it's something Disney owned. Yes. But also, they didn't even have a marketing budget. Cardin Walker, who was the head of Disney advertising at the time, didn't believe in marketing and advertising. So it's amazing that anybody saw this really. That's true. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:32 But what a movie. What a movie. What a movie? Yeah. You know what? It is like a movie in terms of entertainment. What's that, James? Big Sandwich.com.
Starting point is 00:25:41 Oh, yes. Well, as you mentioned, there's bonus stuff there. I've got an hour of playing Tron video games from across the decades. Yeah, that's right. Multiple games. We looked at a Tron comic book, one of which was an adaptation of this movie, which is what this movie you'd think it would look like, or you'd hope. And one is just one of the innumerable Tron comics and content that is set in between this movie and Tron sequel.
Starting point is 00:26:05 Exactly. Yeah. That's not the only thing there, though. We do movie commentaries. We do bonus podcasts. Also, we have a podcast, don't we? That's so true. It's called The Weekly Planet.
Starting point is 00:26:14 Yes. That's where we talk movies and comics and TV shows that comes out every Monday. Of course, we've got one on Tron 3. That's coming up, isn't it? It's coming up. Cannot wait, I think. Who knows, but there's the one thing. But other than that, I cannot wait, Mason.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think. Even though I hate this world? You do hate it, but Tron 3, seemingly a lot of it's set in the real world. Maybe. but you also hate this world, don't you? I do. Bringing two worlds that I hate together, no thank you.
Starting point is 00:26:41 That's right. Just give me a copy of mine sweeper. That's what I want. Agreed. Anyways, yeah, please come back later in this week because it's Tron Week, and it's by choice, not by accident. And thank you to Ben and Lawrence for the edit. Thank you, Ben and Lawrence.
Starting point is 00:26:53 Seratron Legacy. Smarticus. Oh, yeah. TV. Yeah, that's good. Farticus. Yep, that's also good. And relevant.
Starting point is 00:27:01 And relevant. Always relevant. Can you fart in the Tron world? Because you can drink from a lake or whatever. That's a good point. Orly bits and bites come out? Yeah, bits and bites come out of your watts.

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