The Weekly Planet - V For Vendetta - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: November 17, 2022

The Alan Moore-athon trundles along with this weeks entry being 2005's V For Vendetta. Unlike a lot of the other entries in this series this one is generally beloved. With Hugo Weaving as V along with Natalie Portman as Evie it deals with a fascist regime in England, a political uprising, issues of race, gender and sexuality, some fancy karate and of course Alan Moore hates it. Thanks for listening to our Caravan Of Garbage review.SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNVideo Edition ► https://youtu.be/Ci9NtOMMbGUHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-moviesThe Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Welcome back to it. Welcome, everybody. Have fun, all right? What is this? Why are you still talking? Let's have fun. Why are you still talking? This isn't even going to go into the bonus audio version.

You don't know that. That's true, I don't. Welcome back, everybody. I don't know what quality level the people listening to the audio version expect or get. It shows that we're human, you know? That's true. We're just like everybody else, just a total fucking idiot. That's right.

You thought we were immortal gods of podcasting. We're just two guys and it's late. One person messes up and the other one goes, what are you doing? What are you doing? Stupid, stupid. All right. Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of Caravan of Garbage, where, yes, we are continuing our Alan Moore-a-thon, Mason.

That's right. Folks, you're out there, get yourself your classic eggy and a bready, cook it up, that classic British dish, and settle down. Wasn't it eggy in a basket? Yeah, probably. I don't know. Yeah. That's not what it's called.

When I eat those, I call them bullseyes. What do you call them? Eggy and a bready. Eggy and a bready. Okay. Yeah. But as far as I know, it's not a traditional British dish. What they are thinking of and what they should have put in all those scenes,

those multiple scenes where it appears, is obviously frog in a pond. They should have delivered to Evie a chocolate frog in a big green jello. Traditional English breakfast. That's right. That's what you'd be getting. Yeah, just pour it out of a trough for your family, you know? Anyways, of course, this week we are talking about Alan Moore's adaptation. Well, not his adaptation, an adaptation of Alan Moore's V for Vendetta.

And I would say of all the adaptations that we've seen that are movies, this is my favourite. Interesting. It's not perfect, but I feel like there's a real momentum to this. Okay. I get the message. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah.

I see the guy and he's shouting and he's banging his fists and there's the signs behind him and I'm like, I think I get this. Oh, yeah. Yeah, please leave a like if you get it too. Oh, this is about like a used car salesman or something? I think so. I'll put you in a used Toyota Camry today. What will it take for me to jam you in this Camry?

Jammering you into a Camry. That's good. What do you think of it though? Well, what I mean, what I think I'm getting from previous weeks and also this episode is that the main mistake in attempting to adapt an Alan Moore project generally is there's always so much to them. Yeah.

And Hollywood's like, yeah, we can knock this out in two hours. We can take ten issues. And it's not like a- And also add stuff? Yeah. It's not like it's, know a standard issue superhero fair where it can be you can take a 10 issue storyline and most of it is just uh they encounter the bad guy and then they have a you know a they tie or lose and then they upgrade their armor their lasers their lasers and armor and then they come back and win

ultimately and in the interim there's just various bits of interchangeable dialogue that you can remove or change as necessary. This is 10 issues, and I feel like it is all essential, the original. But why not just chop it out, you know? Absolutely. Why not chop it out and sanitise it? Add another subplot and whatever. But yeah, I think there's still a lot of things that i enjoy

about this even if it's not right okay the lack of a better word i like the characterization of v like the look i mean the look is from the comic sure yes right like the personality his physicality i like the cadence of hugo weaving whether he's you know reciting shakespeare or just being like i'm i'm saying egg in basket or whatever. Whatever he's saying, I enjoy it. Sure, he's a little dramatic. And sure, you know, he's always. Settle down, mate.

He needs to settle down. Sometimes he'll pass a poster and he's like, I'm going to scratch a big V into this. Settle down, mate. But the fact that you don't see him at all, real. I mean, there's like the silhouette, you know, with the fire and whatever. But, you know, you get a lot of emotion out of just the mask. And apparently that's also done from just different lighting techniques. Because they're like, should we change the mask when he's feeling different emotions?

And I think it's better that they didn't do that. Yeah. Or would they do a live switcheroo? Yeah. Someone just runs in, upset. Okay. Yeah, just someone in theatre black just runs in, switches the mask on and off.

Yeah, and it's like the tragedy comedy mask. You know, you just switch them over. Oh, do you think he'd have multiple masks on his head and just sort of awkwardly tilt them around? Oh, that's good. What's that... The Living Tribunal? Oh, yeah, I was going to say the He-Man character, but yes.

He-Man? He-Man does that? Yeah, he's got emotions. Wow, I like him. Yeah. But Hugo Weaving, you probably know this. He didn't start filming this. Was it James Purefoy?

It was. Yeah, okay. Pennyworth's own. Keep that in your head. That'll come back later, I think, maybe. We're coming back for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And of course, we're going to come back at the end.

There's a TV show called Pennyworth, in case people were wondering. Actually, that's not true. It's called Pennyworth, The Origin of Batman's Butler. That's right. Keep that in your head. Keep that in your head. You'll need it. You'll need it.

And also, we're going to talk about why Alan Moore hates this one specifically. So he was cast originally and he shot for four weeks but then was replaced by Hugo Weaving because he just wasn't gelling with it. But he's in it a lot. He was dubbed over. Oh, I see. So a lot of this, and you can't tell, is not Hugo Weaving. I see.

And also stunt work, et cetera. and so forth, you know. And also, speaking of, I remember this having more action in it than what it does. Like he does some fighting at the start, and then there's a lot of torture and kind of walking around buildings and murdering priests and whatever. All of those are kinds of action.

Yeah, well that's true. And then at the end, he does his big karate thing at the end. Sure, yes. That is true. But I like that. And I think the combat on the whole is very good. And this is obviously because the director of this worked on the Matrix movies as a second unit director. And this was also written by the Wachowskis or at least co-written by them? Yes, partially. I mean, most of it was Alan Moore, I think.

Sure, I think he did. The good bits. Yeah, the good bits, certainly. Yeah. But it does feel like even though it does get some Britishisms wrong, it gets a lot of it right. And I feel like the fact that the lead cop in this is just some schlubby dude who was probably in the bill at one point.

I think that works as opposed to- Well, one of them is Sherlock's nemesis. Well, that's true. No, one of them is Sherlock's inspector. Yeah, I like to think of him as his nemesis. His stupid nemesis. Looking at evidence no one of them is sherlock's the inspector yeah i like to think of him as his nemesis yeah okay just stupid nemesis looking at evidence sherlock not on my watch oh you've solved it well i look like a fool yeah thanks i guess yeah but i thought but i at the same time i'm like it it really feels out of place that there are just these two good cops and they're trying to do their best here it's like well there's a theory that the second cop the

one from sherlock is actually an inside man. Right. Because a lot of the things V does in this are completely inexplicable. Sure. And the only way that he or she

or they would know what was happening is if there was somebody close enough to be feeding them information. Yeah, right. And I know V probably has police scanners

and all of that, but there is a pretty solid theory that at least one of those cops, probably the second one, is helping. You're saying a theory or an attempt to paper over plot holes? You decide.

That one, I've already decided. I decided before you finished the sentence. Also, something that I didn't care for in this movie is it's pretty nice, isn't it? The whole world's pretty nice. Oh, you mean in terms of this fascist takeover? This fascist dictatorship. Everybody's got like a nice house and a nice apartment and a big TV. And, you know, every time it cut to someone, you know,

a family in a nice terrace cottage, I'm like, oh, a lot of space. A lot of space in this. In London. Right? Of all places. Looks quite lovely. Whereas in the, you know, I feel like the entire...

Yeah, the comic is not as... No, it's... There's more this kind of... And there's a seedy underbelly of society. And we get a little bit of that, but not really. No, but I mean, this... I mean, the fascist part

seems to have come from a completely different movie. Right, yeah. Where they're like, we've got to crack down on this and the people are riding in the streets. No, they, yeah. They're like, we've got to crack down on this. The people are riding in the streets. No, they're not.

They're all watching their TV and going, for sure. For sure. Evie, at the start of the comic book, is about to go out on the streets and try to make a living as a lady of the night. Yeah, and she's 16. Yeah, yeah, because life has been so hellish for her. And in this, she just works at a TV station or something. Yeah, well, they had their same... It's pretty nice.

She's got a nice little blouse on. Absolutely. But they had the same backstory in the comic. Like her parents were taken away for speaking out against the government. And it's the same thing here, except here she's just like, just doing all right, yeah. But I think the idea of that was you put her in the same building, then V can come in and then that whole thing can really kick off, you know what I mean?

John Hurt, he was in 1984. And now he's become the thing. Oh, makes you think, doesn't it? He said he wouldn't do it, remember? In the movie and book. He was like, I hate 1984. It sucks. But look at him now.

It's the worst possible year to be in. Oh, man. Yeah, so here's a few is the worst possible year to be in. Oh man. Yeah, so here's a few of the changes that they made. Just a few. We mentioned Evian and her historian character has changed. And it's quite nice. Everything's quite nice. Quite significantly. There's no chemical attack either.

Subplot, or not even subplot, it's like the plot of this. The big secret reveal is at the end of this, that the chemical warfare which caused Britain to turn to fascism was actually, it was internal. Yes. It was coming from inside the Britain. That's right.

And that's what caused them to rise to power. It was coming from inside the old Bill. Yeah. And this is one of Alan Moore's. It's coming from inside a Greg's. Sure. A Tesco's. And we'll talk more about this.

One of the things Alan Moore doesn't like about this is V in the comic book he's less about freedom and he's more about just anarchy yeah hell yeah and so yeah

you don't get that sense of all he's just because there's even a moment at the start and it's very different in the comic than it is in the movie in the movie he goes on television and he's like don't you think something's wrong don't you think maybe we should do something about it and I'll see you in a year and everybody can rise up but in the movie, in the movie he goes on television and he's like, don't you think something's wrong?

Don't you think maybe we should do something about it? And I'll see you in a year and everybody can rise up. But in the comic book, he's like, fuck you. What are you doing? This is your fault, everybody. How did you let this happen? Another thing that is different, speaking of when he goes into the TV studio,

another thing that is different is this proliferation of Guy Fawkes masks across the entire community that's a new thing for the movie whereas it's not there's just the one yeah in the comic book which to me makes it makes the cops seem even dumber because this is introduced quite early on in the movie and at no point they're like should we maybe see if we can find out who made a really big order of Guy Fawkes masks. What was it, 800,000 plus or something? Yeah, something like that.

They don't really know. How did he get enough to put on all this TV crew here? Maybe we should look into that. Yeah. There's no other clues, is there? That would be the first thing I would do. Yeah, there's literally only one place that makes those. Maybe Handmaid's makes them.

Yes. He does a lot of things. 800,000. Well, he does a lot of things because- The first 100 are pretty good, and the remaining are just- He's just gotten a bit like an exercise book, and he's drawn one on a page, and then he's just cut around it. No eye holes.

No eye holes. Mate, you're on eye holes. Well, that's like a big part of this character is that he, she, they, and we'll talk about the identity of who this person might be, is very busy. For one, built like a little prison corridor for their hideout, which I really enjoy. Not to mention like working on voices and masks and all of those

different things so you can play different personas, plus, you know, copyright gear and various other things. Dancing, sword play, kung fu and the like, all of these things. It's astounding. Any member of the Constabulary can stand up to V. You know, he's so good at fighting that empty knight's armour. He's just having fun. He's just having fun.

But also chemically enhanced and all of that, yeah. He also rebuilt that train tunnel by himself. And also, as mentioned, manufactured and sent out, it was several hundred thousand masks. That's what they mention. They say upwards of, so who really knows. And then, of course, there's the dom, it was several hundred thousand masks. That's what they mention. They say upwards of, so who really knows. And then, of course, there's the dominoes thing. Like, that's not nothing.

I've got some trivia about that. But, yeah, it was like 200 hours of domino placement to make that happen. And that would have been a whole crew of disgruntled union prop guys. No doubt. But that to me also implies that in this movie at least and sure this might be papering over that v is more than one person and so there's a few theories about their identity so i'll be happy to get into a couple right now and obviously it's different for the comics and the movies and etc because i think by this movie giving v the voice of hugo

weaving and you see the body burning in the fire, I think it takes away a lot of the ambiguity because in the comics, all of the clues left and all the backstory we get about who this person can be, some of the evidence could be planted or fake or misinformation. And you never hear a voice. No, you never hear a voice. It's definitively a market as one as one particular character yeah that's right

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It's supposed to be. It could be C. Is it you? It's not me. Okay, you're not under arrest. Thank God. I got away with that one, didn't I? I mean, it's not me, but I got away with it.

Are you V for Vendetta? You've got to say if you're V for Vendetta. That's the rules. But, you know, yeah, the idea is that V, like Batman... Now I'm interested. ...is an idea, you know, and not a person that... Well, is a person that can be killed, but the idea is then don't die with that person.

So, again, it's not supposed to be important. V is a symbol, an idea, not a person. But here are some working theories. Okay, sure. Again, not that this matters. V is a member of Evie's family. It's even mentioned in the, you know, she thinks maybe it's her father. Alan Moore has come out and said definitively, no, that's not the case.

Has he debunked all of these? No, no, just that one. Okay, right. V could also be five, as in V. So a member of the British boy band Five. That's right. Do you think abs? Do you think it might have been abs?

I'm quickly Googling. I'm trying to remember another member of the band Five. Let's go. Okay. If you're getting down, baby, I want it now, baby. Come and get it done, baby. I want it now. Sean, Richie, Scott, Abs, Jay.

Jay. Could be Jay. For Vendetta. Jay for Gendetta. But I think that idea of there being five of this person. He could also be a member of All Saints. Well, that's true. Yeah.

Very good. But I think the idea of V being five people makes sense from like a logistical point of view. Sure. Because maybe one's good at combat. Maybe one's just on the police radio. Maybe one's digging that tunnel out. Maybe one's just for the dominoes. Maybe one's got abs.

Maybe one's got, one of them would definitely have abs. But I think the theory that I like the most, which is very much not confirmed, is that Valerie's partner who was taken is V. And through various experiments and hormones and the like, that's why there's the shrine. That's probably the theory that I like the most. But also, I like that they never tell you who it is. Because then you can be like me and be like, well, I think it's this. And someone else can be like, well, you're wrong.

And I can be like, well, that's just your it's this and someone else can be like well you're wrong can i and i can be like well that's just your opinion man yeah yeah yeah then the uh film studio can come out there and be like everybody's talking about us everybody's buying those dvds everyone's talking a big game aren't they yes sir also there are a couple of moments that break the illusion of you know that it is a normal man under the mask oh yes uh you can see when b is fighting the suit of armour. You actually, there's a moment where the head lifts up and you can see, like, the jaw underneath and it's just, like, regular skin. Right, right.

And you can see Hugo Weaving's signature Hugo tattoo that's under his jaw. Yeah. And there's also, in the moment where Evie is kidnapped, you can see the eyes of V. Right, yeah. It's like a stuntman or whatever. But anyway.

Have you got more things to say before it's green trivia? No, I just said maybe they could find the company that makes the mask. Yeah. Then you'd find the person or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Makes sense to me. Okay, time for green trivia. And the supercut of that guy yelling Rodney.

Oh, yeah. Maybe they'll leave that till the end. After this time. I think so. Yeah, yeah. Mix it up a little bit. Keep it fresh. I don't like this.

And for new viewers might be like, what are they talking about? Stick around. You've got to stick around. You've got to stick around. You've got to stick around. A professional barber was brought in to shave Natalie Portman's head, put on the V gloves and whatever, and they did it in one take with three cameras.

Huh. That's good. Yeah. You don't want to mess that up. No. You can't really mess up a shaved head. I mean, I guess you can get the hair caught in the thing, you know, and be like, ow, you're pulling.

Stop. Ow. I'm Natalie Portman. I'm famous. I'm important. How dare you? You're fired. This is the year of Revenge of the Sith.

This is a big year for me. While shooting the fight in Victoria Station, the stuntmen moved in slow motion on set, while David Leitch, Hugo Weaving's stunt double, who's now a director. He did Bullet Train more recently. I see. Unless he didn't, in which case this will come out.

He moved in real time and it was shot in 60 frames per second to slow everything down further. Fascinating. I remember you saying you didn't like the trails on the knives. On the knives, yeah. I don't think they're knives. Someone will complain. Oh, yeah?

You think they're dirks, possibly? Are they scythes? They're not scythes. They're not scythe. Gangnam style, Mason. You don't think so? No, no, no, no. Fine.

How about this? The domino scene, where V, you go weaving, tips over black and red dominoes to form a giant letter V, involved 22,000 dominoes, and as mentioned, took 200 hours plus four professional domino assemblers. So that speaks to there being also one V running around digging tunnels doing karate. Four other Vs setting up dominoes.

Setting up dominoes, yes. Yeah. The dominoes used weren't regulation dominoes and had to be made custom for the film in order to have the appropriate weight to fall at a specific speed. So the material used was actually harvested from an Australian eucalyptus species commonly referred to as a blue gum, which actually led to the working title of this film, Mason. Go on.

You're not going to believe this. I'm listening. It was actually called Blue Harvest. Wow. Which, funnily enough, by coincidence, was the working title of the original Star Wars from 1977. Incredible work. Yeah, thank you. Again, the original Star Wars from 1977. Incredible work. Yeah, thank you.

Again, the hardest you work all week, I think. I looked up types of trees. I'm like, what's a bluegub, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the late 90s, Joel Silver actually started to develop this film, and I want to talk about him a little bit more. Stanley Kubrick was offered to direct, but he turned it down in order to do films mainly stuck in development hell.

So I think that would have been a very interesting combination of people. Agreed. I feel like Stanley Kubrick and Alan Moore could sit down and just, I don't know whether they'd get along or they'd start hitting each other with pint glasses. Right? I don't know. What is that?

We'll never know now. Goddamn. We're on the out-of-time machine. For other reasons, I probably Right? I don't know. What is that? We'll never know now. We'll never know, yeah. Goddamn. Run the out-of-time machine. For other reasons, I probably wouldn't bother setting that up. Yeah, it seems like a massive waste of resources

if you used it for that, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Box office for this, made on a budget of $54 million and at the box office itself it made $132.5 million, which is pretty good,

moderate success, but not a smash hit by any stretch. But anyway, forget all that. Forget money. I'm not about money. And V for Vendetta isn't about money either. That's true.

It's about anarchism. It's about anarchism. And eggies and breadies. That's right. That's right. And metaphors and whatever. Shakespeare and big explosions. And you scratch a sign, you scratch a V into it.

And about a man who I'll never forget. Oh, you reckon Natalie Portman, you won't forget this guy who blew up London? You sure you won't forget this guy who imprisoned you? Oh, you won't forget him. Wow, that's really, really something. Makes you think, doesn't it? It does. Great.

Thank you. So Alan Moore was very critical of the movie for changing what he called the anarchy versus fascism structure of the graphic novel into what he saw was an exploration of American neoliberalism versus American neoconservatism. So he said as a result of this, why not just set this in the US instead of Britain? Like you're telling a US-centric story.

That's what this should be. But I love the British. And they were all like, God damn it, why didn't he criticise us early? We should have done that. People would have hated that. Yeah. They could have replaced Stephen Fry with Jack Black. Highise us early? We should have done that. People would have hated that. Yeah. They could have replaced Stephen Fry with Jack Black. High Fidelity yet?

Yeah. That's right. Book set in London and movie set in Chicago? I don't know. You're the only person I could turn to. That's what he sounds like. Yeah. That's what he sounds like.

Producer Joel Silver said at a press conference that screenwriter Lana Wachowski had talked with Moore and that Moore was very excited about what Lana had to say. So Moore disputed this, reporting that he told Wachowski, I didn't want anything to do with films. I wasn't interested in Hollywood. And he demanded that DC Comics force Warner Brothers to issue a public retraction and apology for Silver's blatant lies.

And although Silver called Moore directly to apologize, there was no public retraction. But then Silver said later that he was actually referring to a meeting that had taken place about the rights 20 years earlier. So yeah. And speaking of. Okay. So there's a New York Times article where they spoke to David Lloyd, you might know as the artiste on this work of course yes and this was his reaction to the movie's production he said he also found it difficult to sympathize with mr moore's protests when he and mr moore sold the film rights to the comic

book mr lloyd said we didn't do it innocently neither myself nor alan thought we were signing it over to a board of trustees who would look after it like it was the dead sea Scrolls and that has been a common complaint and I've seen in the comments here like well if he didn't want the things that he owned or had more ownership over to you know to be made to be adapted he shouldn't have sold off the rights etc and so forth but you know you can still be like this sucks for sure he's allowed to do that yeah and he's taken his name off most of the work you know that have been adapted because he's like, this is no good and I don't like it, Mason. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And also that, you know, a lot of that I think speaks to the larger picture of like comic book, the comic book industry where a lot of, you know, there is definitely a huge power imbalance between creators and the comic book companies. Yeah, definitely. Like, you know, maybe you agree to adapt it, but like maybe that when you agree to work for one of the big companies,

they were just like, and we're going to adapt this whether you like it or not. So shut up. So shut up. Or you can go somewhere else. That's right. Now, this might not be the last we'll see of V for Vendetta Mason. What?

So would you like perhaps a sequel, a second Vendetta perhaps? Oh, yeah, maybe. Anyway, there's no sequel in the works. Don't even worry about it. But there was a series planned that went into development hell in the 2010s. But of course, to circle back around to Pennyworth, the origins of Batman's butler. That's right.

The showrunner Danny Canyon confirmed that Pennyworth would also serve as a loose prequel to V for Vendetta, with the British Civil War depicted in the first season eventually leading to the formation of Norsefire, the government in V for Vendetta. Which is crazy. Yeah. And it makes me think for even a split second of my life I might consider watching Pennyworth. Mm.

But that would... I've heard it's alright. I've heard it's alright. But that also... So does that mean that... So there's a British Civil War, which obviously never happened, so this is a parallel universe. Yeah, but I'm pretty sure- Does that mean that this Batman is going to be born into a parallel universe?

I guess. Or is there no Batman in this? In which case, the moniker of the origin of Batman's butler, very misleading. When you think about it. The origin of a guy. But yeah, I had seen some weeks ago a production still from the most recent season of Pennyworth in which there are people wearing Guy Fawkes masks. And I'm like, oh, that's a funny little reference. Yeah. But apparently it's not.

There's a lot of that. Yeah. Because obviously the comic itself tells an alternate future because it was written in the 80s. Yes. But it's set in the mid to late 90s. I always figured that's where the deviation is yeah so this slide into fascism that alan moore was kind of you know afraid of and maybe not incorrect you know what i mean mason makes you think i hate to get political

in this beef vendetta video yeah just talk about the knives man yeah anyways i quite like this one look i mean it's it's certainly not the it's certainly not the worst adaptation no thus far thus far yeah so so you would rank this like below watchman for example the movie of the movie adaptations i think i would yeah okay fair enough well people like watchman i understand that's true yeah and we have a video on it that's true way back when yeah but look forget old videos what about new videos what about new videos because here's the video we'll be covering next week. I mean, movie that we're looking at. The Batman.

Oh, yeah, that's bad. Yeah. Have you seen it? No. Yeah, you're going to love it. And maybe another animated thing. Really? We'll talk about it next week.

Oh. Yeah. Anyways, if you do want to see that early, you can actually head over to bigsandwich.co. And why wouldn't you, Mason? You would, though. You would because there's early videos. Yes.

There's bonus podcasts. That's correct. There there's movie commentaries there's exclusive content there is a massive back catalog on there it's like our private patreon that goes back if there's thousands of hours it's too much stuff on there and it's only available there but if you're like hey i'd just rather listen to this youtube channel and maybe your podcast the weekly planet where you talk movies and comics and tv shows well you can just do just do that. That's right. That's all you need to do. Hell yeah. All right. Let's get out of here, Mason.

Other groups that V for Vendetta could be revealed to be. Mm-hmm. Take that. Oh, yeah. Atomic Kitten. Okay. Bewitched. Yep.

These are all British bands. That's what I'm saying, yes. Okay. Yeah. They all have different personalities. What was Ronan Keating? That was Irish. It was in Boyzone. That's what I'm saying, yes. Okay. Yeah. They all have different personalities. What was Ronan Keating? That was Irish. It was in Boyzone.

That was Irish, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think there was only four in that. S Club 7. How many? It doesn't really work. It'd have to be V.I.I. Yeah.

Vendetta. How many Baja men were there? That's a great question. There was just so much movement. They could set all those dogs on people. That's true. There was so much movement in that video. I don't remember.

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