The Weekly Planet - Who Framed Roger Rabbit - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: July 23, 2026

Despite being released in 1988, Who Framed Roger Rabbit remains the pinnacle of blending 2D animation with live action photography. Set in Hollywood after World War II, it follows Detective Eddie Valiant as he unravels the murder mystery involving famed toon Roger Rabbit, his wife Jessica Rabbit, and the terrifying villain Judge Doom. It's also famous for bringing together, for the first time, Disney and Warner Bros. characters like Donald and Daffy Duck, plus Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny. Next week we'll look at a not as good live action/animation hybrid, and the week after that one of the worst to do it in the lead up to Coyote VS ACME. Thanks for watching our Caravan Of Garbage reviewSUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Animation has a long and horrible tradition of merging with live action. You've seen this. A couple of times, sure, yuck. Yuck! Mary Poppins! Yep, all right. Not as yuck and opening as you could have gone with. Bed knobs and broomsticks.

Sure, okay, yep. Animal soccer or whatever they're doing, you know? Yeah, that wasn't the most memorable part of that movie. The bed knob is. True. Cool world? Yeah, all right. Cool world.

We thought about covering cool world for this. But then we're like, nobody really believes that movie exists. Song of the South? Was it? Yeah. Was it animated in live action? There's a bit of both, Mason. Oh, a bit of both.

You might think, oh, you can just look it up on Disney Plus. You definitely can't. It's not there. It'll never be there. I wouldn't have thought so. Without 40 minutes of warning and apology beforehand. But what we're going to be doing, because of course, we're getting a new live action animation hybrid movie

in Lutitunes versus Cotea Acme. Correct. Or whatever it's called. No, you were correct. We're going to do three 2D animation live action hybrid movies that decrease in quality. Oh, that's a shame. That is, isn't it?

Yeah. But we're starting strong, please leave a like, for who framed Roger Rabbit, no question mark. Yeah, didn't like that. It's more of a statement? Yeah, who framed Roger Rabbit? Are you asking me? Yeah.

Oh, I don't, Judge Doom. It was Judge Doom, correct, yes. I wasn't sure whether you did the question mark. No, I didn't. It was more accusatory, I suppose. But that would still be a question, wouldn't it? Yeah, yeah, that's true. So this is also back when Robert Zemechus developed film technology

that people actually liked. It wasn't viscerally upsetting to look at, yeah. God, I hadn't seen this since I was a kid. I have, like, vague memories of it and, like, have terrifying visions that pop up into my brain. Because of Judge Dune. Because of Judge Dune. And the Dip.

And the Dip. This is a phenomenal movie. Agreed, 100%. This is great. I hadn't seen this since it came out, probably. So I saw it in cinemas in 1988. And I'm 21 today. Happy birthday to me.

But, yeah, I mean, I remember at the time how this starts, it was quite baffling to me. Yeah. Because it's meant to be a riff on the idea that back in the olden times before you watched a movie, you watched a little animated short before that. It's a nice little easing into kind of what this is going to. Yeah, and then pulling the curtain back and it just tells you exactly what it is. Also, for an animated short that is really irrelevant to the rest of the movie, looks phenomenal.

Yeah, you don't need to do any of that, really. Like, you know, it's got the wild spinning camera work, you know, the virtual camera work and this kind of, you can see the reflections of all the characters on the checker board. floor like it's crazy. Absolutely ridiculous. And it's funny because they tested this movie. The initial testing was with elder teens. Okay.

So teens in their late 20s. And after this... Teens in their late 20s, James. Teens in their late teens. Okay, sure. And they walked out during it because they're like, no kids movie, no good. But you need this to establish what the rest of it is.

Exactly. Which is a murder mystery set in post-World War II, Hollywood. But also that the tunes in the cartoon we watch, just actors who take on different roles, like the baby who is actually a 50-year-old man. Yes, with a baby's penis. That's what he says. And it never kind of explains why any of this is happening,

where do the tunes really come from? Jessica Rabbit says she's drawn this way, but was she? I don't really know. Well, I mean, there's supplemental materials that will explain that. Yeah, absolutely. Well, speaking of, this is based on the murder mystery novel, Who Censored Roger Rabbit, question mark? Where they're not cartoon characters, they're comic strip characters, right?

That's all I really know about it. And it's Gary K. Wolf, and it is a murder mystery. Wolf? Wolf? I think he's a wolf? No. I think he's a man and he's still alive at time of recording. Oh, wow.

Maybe dead by the time this goes out. Hopefully not. Sure. Unless there's something bad about him. It doesn't seem to be. Okay. And it's Roger Rabbit has been murdered, but tunes are able to create a temporary copy of themselves

so he solves the murder mystery. So the copy of himself solves the murder mystery. No, I haven't. If not, don't talk about it. You'll get corrected. Fair point. But look, all that aside, I love that after you get the 2D animation sequence, it pulls back and it shows the behind the scenes of an animated set.

And the ladies' legs that are in this, they're big fake legs. And you're seeing just the detail of recreating that alone is like, God, like this is, you know straight away that this is like, Another level. This is something else. 100% yeah. So the animation director on this was Richard Williams, and he said he strove for three things while creating this film.

Looney Tunes type characters, Disney quality animation, and Tex Avery-style humour, but not so brutal. Though there is some fairly brutal humor in this. A shoe gets melted. A man gets killed with a safe. Also, and this also, this is not a Disney movie. My understanding is Disney bought the rights to the book,

like years prior, and they're just like, we don't know what to do with this. So they basically handballed it over to Spielberg? So sort of, yeah, this is Disney's Touchstone Pictures. Right. Who created this. And the reason they were able to get Warner Brothers characters and Disney characters in it

was because of a deal with Warner Brothers that allowed them to use the likeness as long as they got the exact same amount of screen time. Which is why when you see Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny, they're falling down at the same time and they do it at their same time. Why you've got Daffy Duck and Donald Duck doing dueling pianos together? Except I would say Donald Duck's the best. a piano player. Oh, really?

Like at one point he's playing with his hands and his butt at the same time, two separate pianos. I think they should revisit this. I think somebody should sue. I think Disney should, wait, I think Water Brothers should sue Disney now for, you know, wasting their time. Well, they've been trying to collaborate since, but it's kind of been... Lawsuits, mostly lawsuits. Mostly lawsuits and just kind of the gentleman's agreement, which kind of was around this movie, has long since been just torn apart.

You can't really... There's too many lawyers now to do gentlemen's agreements, I think. There's too many lawyers to do anything fun. Mm, great. There was almost too many lawyers to release Coyote versus Acme, but then there were some additional lawyers that made it possible for them to release Coyote versus Acme at time of recording.

We don't know. We don't know. So what's the story of this? I don't know. There's a murder. There is a murder. It's, um... Okay, so Eddie Valiant, who hates tunes.

Yeah. Because a tune dropped a safe... No, a tune dropped a piano on his brother and killed him. Which is a hilarious and tragic backstory. It's like perfect for this. Absolutely. Eddie and Teddy Valiant. He is hired by R.K. Maroon, who's the head of Maroon cartoon studios,

to investigate the rumor that Roger Rabbit's wife is cheating on him. So Eddie Valiant goes out to take some pictures, and he discovers that Jessica Rabbit, his Roger Rabbit's wife, is playing Paddy Cake with Marvin Acme, the head of Acme, the Acme company that makes all the gimmicks and gadgets and stuff in cartoons, but also he owns Tune Town. And then afterwards, Acme turns up dead.

And so everybody's like, well, Roger Rabbit probably did that for revenge. So Roger Rabbit has to go on the run. So he's not murdered or a copy of himself or whatever happens in the original story. I haven't read it. I can't speak to it. I don't speak to the book. So he teams up with Eddie to solve the murder. And what is going on in a larger plot kind of unfolds,

which is way more complicated than it needs to be. That's not a negative, though, because I think it works as a kid's movie. until it's really scary. There's so much in this that I don't even remember. You know, as a kid, I remember being terrified by Judge Doom and the concept of being disintegrated by the dip, which would also work on humans probably. Yeah, it's just poison.

It's just poison. Well, apparently that's the stuff that's used to dissolve film stock. You can use it for stuff like an ink and things like that. I just burn it. Sure. Yeah. But there's a scene quite early on where Eddie Valiant takes a trip on the back of a trolley car with some like local youths.

And as he's getting off, he's like, thanks for the cigarettes, kids. Good bit. Good joke. Never do it nowadays. No, you really could. I mean, that's this movie right. It's like handing out cigarettes to children

and there's sex and horrific murders and all of this stuff. And it's not really playful laughs. It's just like it's this, you know, 1940 style like detective noir story, but just there's cartoons running around. A lot of little visual gags that I didn't pick up at the time. There is a when, when Eddie Valiant is looking through.

through all his, you know, his clippings of his past private detective, you know, activities. There's a newspaper clipping that says, that suggests that Eddie and his brother exonerated goofy from the crime of spying, presumably for the Nazis, because it's just after World War II, which would have been, you know, that's espionage, that's treason. He would have been executed. Yeah. Except they couldn't have executed him at the time because the dip hadn't been invented yet. So I guess they would have just put him in a box and dropped him from the bottom of the ocean forever or something.

You know? Probably. Yeah, good visual gag. Agreed. And speaking of the lead in this Roger Rabbit, who I thought as a kid was just a classic character. Ah, yeah. He's so well fleshed out and voiced and also played on set by Charles Flescher, who dressed up as him. They'd shoot the scene with him or like rubber puppets and then take him out and reshoot it.

So they had all the eyelines and everything right. And he would then act from like eight feet away. Uh-huh. And they'd re-record his dialogue and all of that. But like that character is just, it's baffling to me They haven't done so much more with him since. Yeah, legal reasons? Probably.

He's a weird old character. He's annoying. Yeah, all of that. It's interesting also that you've called him the main character. I always think Bob Hoskins is the main character. And again, as you mentioned, all the stuff they had to do to get Roger Abbott on screen, having to work against that.

Again, you have to work against nothing, but also the memory of, of what somebody did in rehearsals, right? Yeah, absolutely. Really difficult. And he's so sincere. Like, I'm like, Hoskins is great. When he runs back into one of his old flames, Betty Boop, he's like, you still got a baby, boboopee-doop, et cetera.

That's fun stuff. It really is. The way that all the live action stuff and the cartoon stuff is integrated, so Judge Dooms in forces of the Toon Patrol, who are a bunch of animated weasels, but they carry real guns. Yeah. And they have to, like, I assume they put them on wires or something. So often they'd have them on wires or they made little specific rigs for exact shots. So the rule of combining traditional animation with live action.

There is no rules. No, there was a lot of rules. Oh, okay. And the main one is... Sounds like stuff of nerds, if you ask me. It is. It's lock the camera down. Yes.

Because then you don't have to move a character in 3D space. But this movie... These are those you don't have to lock the camera down. You just have Robert Danny Jr. shop and he's at leisure. And then you just draw an Iron Man suit on him later. Pretty much. For the cost of millions of dollars and a bunch of animators' brain cells. And they get fired.

And they all get fired. So it's hard to believe, but yet there is no computer graphics in this at all. It's just really... And no cell phones, just everybody living in the moment, you know? That's right. Just really detailed animation. And by that I mean, so every frame would be printed as a still piece of photography. A photograph, if you will.

Ooh, getting technical, are we? And then an animation. it would take a tracing paper sheet, lay it over the top, draw whatever character it was, and they'd have to do that for 24 frames per second as opposed to 12, because film is 24 frames per second,

unless you're making The Hobbit, that's another thing, don't worry about it. And then they would use an optical printer to combine those things back together. And then also add things like light and shadow and reflection and all of that. Captain Christian has a great video on this, and he talks specifically about

there's one scene where a lamp is swinging and the light is going on and off Roger Rabbit. To and fro? You don't even have to do that. You don't have to do it. But it adds to the realism of it. There's 55 minutes of animation in this in total. 300 animators worked full time on the film.

There's apparently over 1 million drawings in this entire thing. Again, all optical effects. No computer graphics. I had to research one particular bit where baby Herman is smoking a cigar. And I'm like, that has to be like an early 3D cigar. But it's a little robot hand on a rig that's being puppeted and mirrored from off screen. These days you can have a baby smoke and a cigar, you know, just on your phone, you know. They probably use some of this pioneering technology to get the dancing baby and alec McNeil.

No doubt, Mason. So one of the best moments of interaction in this, I feel, as well, is the introduction of Jessica Rabbit, where she's pulling handkerchiefs out of people's pockets and taking hats off and all of that. It's ridiculous. Like, it's never really done the same way twice. It's done whatever suits that particular scene. It's so meticulously planned out. Like, it's not just like, I will figure it out in the way.

day. They figured it out like months or years in advance. Imagine being the first guy in Hollywood to be like, we'll figure it out on the day. I know you could. Was it Kevin, was it Kevin Feigy? It was Kevin Feigy. It was Kevin Feigy. Wow. And look, even though I didn't, you know, I didn't know why, but as a kid, I knew this was special and I knew this was different. Kids notice that stuff, even if they don't know why. Like, seeing Donald and Daffy Duck together, I didn't know the legality and still don't really behind making that happen. But even as a kid, kid I knew like, oh, that's a, you don't really see that, do you? Like, that's unusual. Yeah. Why are they carrying real guns? That's weird.

But it does make sense that Daffy and Donald would hate each other. Yeah. Ducks. Ducks. Famously racist. And their own worst enemies. The natural predator of the duck is the duck. I don't know if you know that. A second duck. So this is fun. I mentioned how Warner Brothers and Disney don't really work well together. So during the pre-production stages of Space Jam, Oh, yeah. Oh, don't worry, we've already done Space Jam, but we haven't done Space Jam, too, Mason.

Water Brothers asked Disney if they will return the favor and let them use a major Disney character in the final game of the movie as a special guest. Disney was under new management at the time, flatly refused, so Warner Brothers, they accused Disney of breaking a decades old gentleman's agreement and said they'll never cooperate with Disney ever again. Wow. They never say never, because one will probably buy. the other eventually. Oh, absolutely. That's right. Yeah.

Who do you think the... It would have been Mickey is like a referee or something, I reckon. I think we talked about it when we did that and it was something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because Mickey Mouse doesn't care if Bugs Bunny gets chained up on the moon. That's so true. Speaking of, they use the 1940 kind of character designs for these characters, which I really appreciate.

Me too. Yeah. And apparently that's not something that they were asked to do when the studio was kind of against it, but they were like, no, I'm just going to, we just do it. And it just looks. better. It's more rounded and real and it just fits this environment. And there's kids smoking cigarettes.

That's fun. Judge Doom. Yes. Incredible villain. Agreed. And performance by Christopher Lloyd. Christopher Lloyd, Zamekis. Good team, as always. That's right. Yeah. Watching him melt a sentient shoe. Yeah. And everybody's in the room and just goes, do you know who the squeak of the sentient shoe is?

I don't. Nancy Cartwright. Makes sense. Yeah. Isn't she a Scientologist? Probably. Make sense. I like it. Me too. Me too. And of course, as we mentioned, Judge Duma is behind all of this,

because his idea is to build a... A freeway. Just through Toon Town, so there can be fast food and car dealerships and billboards and gas stations. And shut down the public transport system. Yeah, man. Nobody can... Nobody can ride on the back of a trolley car

and bum a cigarette off a child. Yeah. They have to use the freeway. Yeah. It's un-American, as far as I'm concerned. So, yeah, this movie is just about car infrastructure, which is, in some people's opinion, completely ruined... you know, America.

Sure, maybe. In some ways. I don't know. I've been there, but I don't know. We're not there currently. We don't know. But yeah, it's such an idealized version of the US in this of just being able to walk around and get on a tram.

And I know there are places that do that, but you know, America is largely built around car culture. And me personally, I don't like that. But again, I don't live there, so do whatever you want. Maybe you like it. Do you like it, Mason? I don't like it, no. Okay.

Oh, I wanted to make it to me. mentioned the moment where Roger Rabbit smashes plates on his head. Sure. They built a specific device that just does that, which is phenomenal. I have seen the video of that. Yeah, that's so good.

What I also like about this is, if you know anything about tunes in this universe, you know tune tropes. Sure. And so there's a moment where Eddie needs Roger Rabbit to drink a drink of alcohol because he'll completely spin out. And so he gives him the duck season,

Rabbit season trick. Yeah. Uh-huh. I love that. It's just, it's so fun. And he also knows how to defeat tunes if he does like a little live-action tune routine, they'll all die laughing. The fact that Judge Doom knows that a tune can't resist finishing shaving a haircut, that's a

fun bit. Yeah. Because he himself is a tune. Well, yeah, the twist, right? Oh, first of all, the cartoon gun. The cartoon gun? Lunacy. One of the bullets might be a little bit problematic these days.

Mason, you can do anything in this era. That's so true, isn't it? Give a kid a cigarette. A kid gives you a cigarette. That's right. Goofy can do all the sponsor. he wants. For whoever he's working for.

We don't know if he got off legitimately or he got off on some sort of legal loophole. We don't know. We don't know. Maybe he grasped on all his buddies. Yeah. So yeah, the twist you mentioned. What's his dog? Maybe Pluto's in prison for a series of spying crimes he didn't commit.

No doubt. I mean, Mason, why's Pluto was? He'd like any talk and what if you talk or whatever. That's a great point. Yeah. Probably drugs. It's probably, he'll do too many. Yeah, he probably did too many drugs.

He did Dhty in the, D. D.M.T. But he did both But no, you mentioned the Judge Doom reveal When he goes under the steamroller Which, what an insane thing to put in a kid's movie Right? Beloved character actor Christopher Lloyd

Getting run over by a steamroller Yeah I mean, I don't remember figuring this out as a kid And I guess there's no way to know it now But I don't know if I'd figure out now if he was a tune But he looks like a tune He's got the big teeth and a fake chin Yeah, for sure, yeah, yeah

And there are like as a again, as a child, no idea but as an adult, there are clues. Yeah. I don't know if the director or anybody has explicitly stated. James, there are some conflicting ideas of who Judge Doom was before he became Judge Doom. There's a sequel comic, the return of Judge Doom, where the Tune Patrol, all the Weasel guys, they want to bring Doom back, so they find his original animation cell to...

So they are animated, that's how they're made or something. Yeah, so you can apparently revive a Tune through their animation cell. It's like a save point. Yeah, kind of. And so in the comic, the reveal is that he was a character called Baron von Rotten, who was sort of created to sort of be a generic bad guy in various animations. So he's the man who killed Bambi's mother in Bambi. But not really because he's a cartoon and they're not really.

But then what happens is he gets hit in the head too many times and he actually becomes evil. But I don't know how canonical that comic is. Because he's blue in some versions, right? Yeah, I think, yeah. And also I think for the comic book, they probably had to change a bunch of stuff because in the movie they're allowed to use like Disney characters and Warner Bros.

characters and stuff, whereas in the comic book, I don't think they could have. But I don't know how canonical that comic book is. Watching this as an adult for the first time, I think he's supposed to be pistol pack and possum. There's a character, you never see him, but he appears on posters, and he's got red eyes,

and he carries the same gun that Judge Doom has. Interesting. So my guess is that and potentially maybe Baron von Rotten in the cartoon played a bunch of different characters because we know he can shape shift. So maybe he was pistol pack and possum in that movie. This is an incredible reveal.

I'm just looking now and Google AI is telling me that you may or may not be right. Maybe I've hit the jackpot. But he's got the red eyes and he's got... And you see one point you see his reflection holding the gun in the poster. Right. So who knows.

knows, man. God, this is good stuff. We should ask Zemeckis, but if we ask Zemeckis about this, he'll start talking about the Polar Express or whatever. Yeah. Or de-aging Tom Hanks in real time. We can't, we can't take that risk. He'll be like, did. Did you see Beowulf? And I'm like, I did. I couldn't. Like, I didn't like it. Yeah, no. I said, yuck. I went to the ticket booth and I said two tickets for Bayer. Blu! No, thank you. I'll leave. I'll clean that up. Wait, you can clean that up. Goodbye. I don't work here. But yeah, a terrifying villain. Yeah. One of the spookiest in cinema history, no doubt.

Just the screaming and the voice and the eyes. And then he melts. Yeah. It's horrible. Agreed. Yeah. Because I was going to watch this with my kids. And at time of recording, I have a six-year-old.

And I'm like, I don't think I want to subject her to this just yet. I think initially it's like, oh, this is fun. And then you get to this bit, you know, and all of a sudden, that's all she can remember from her childhood. Yeah. So there was, of course, you mentioned sequels to this. And planned sequels, which I do want to talk about. Yeah. But in the meantime, we have to do, who framed trivia?

Very good. This is a trivia section of the show. Are you familiar with this? Yes. Yeah. I know trivia. I mean, I don't know any trivia. But what happens is you tell me some of the trivia.

And I go, hmm, interesting. And then I forget it immediately. Yeah. I've never retained a single piece of trivia. So I don't think we've talked about this enough. Well, I haven't. Maybe you have. But Bob Hoskins is incredible in this.

Agreed. Because there were other names up for it. Eddie Murphy turned it down, which he regrets. because he was like, this seems like bullshit. Sure. They couldn't contact Bill Murray because I guess he's uncontactable. It's before he developed that weird hotline

that's only available for one public phone in an alley in New York City or whatever. And you pick up the phone and you go, hello, is Bill Murray there? And there was nothing on the line? Then you put the phone down and then you feel a tap on the shoulder and Bill Murray is there.

And he's like, I won't do it. I'm busy doing a Garfield sequel. I thought it was a different director. I thought it was the Cohen brothers, but it's not. And now away with me. And then he's gone. Yeah.

That's probably up into most people we know. Yeah, agreed. That's why nobody wants to take the subway in America anymore. That's why they all drive. They're afraid of Bill Murray in his cape. Harrison Ford was apparently Spielberg's first choice. Spielberg produced this. I don't know if he mentioned it.

And he was largely responsible for bringing together the different companies because he was Spielberg. Absolutely. And he made E.T. and everything else at this time. Just him doing a lot of phone calls going, come on, though. Come on. It's me.

He's such a lover of old-timey and then kind of reinventing Water Brothers animation. Absolutely. in the 80s and 90s, so that's incredible. But Bob Hoskins, when he watched this, he was like, this is my, this is my proudest work. There you go. And also, hell of a rig on him.

Yeah. I know we've talked about it before and it's too late. By that you mean a hairy back. All of it. The build on him? Yeah. And the fact that he's British, because he's very not British in this, like, at all.

Agreed. He's incredible. Yeah. It's a real, it's a great kind of, you know, just old school film, my detective. Yeah, he's balding. Sure. You wouldn't even really do that now.

It's great. He's just real. Now it'll be Jason Statham. Yeah, it would be. But look, I love Eddie Murphy and Eddie Murphy in this era, but somebody kind of that wacky in this universe, I think doesn't work as well because you've got a guy who's playing it completely straight. Absolutely, yeah.

So here's some horny stuff, Mason. Oh, yeah. To give Jessica rabbits bosom an unusual bounce. Sure. Supervisor animator Russell Hall reverse the natural up and down movements when she moves. All right. Yeah. You can also get that surgery done.

I won't, though. I don't think I will. You know, it's not something... I booked you in for a consultation. Thanks, man. Appreciate it. I wouldn't have done it myself. I would say as a kid, it's not really something I thought about.

I think when I was a kid in watching this movie, I spent most of the movie trying to figure out whether she only had one eye. She's always got the hair over the top. She does have two eyes. She's got two eyes. Also, she doesn't cheat on Roger Rabbit. No, she literally plays Patty Cake with Acme. Yeah.

In the original VHS and Laserdisc edition, when Eddie and Jessica are thrown from the car, you can see a few frames where Jessica's not wearing underwear. Apparently, this wasn't intentional. It was just like a flesh covered pants or whatever. Okay, sure. And then they changed it to... An old-fashioned slip. Yeah, they change it to white paint in some versions, so she's wearing underwear. And I don't know where they're at now. There's a lot of horny additions of this.

Of course there is. And speaking of, the original VHS and Laserdisc featured a single brief frame of Betty Boop's dress slipping down, which Robert Zemeka. insisted on including as a tribute to classic Betty Boop cartoons where the animators would often slip a single lewd frame in. All right, then, sure. This was to be cut for future releases.

Of course, yes. It made it into some versions. It's a tribute. It's a homage. It's a tribute. It's not a fetish thing. Don't even worry about it. Don't even worry about it.

I don't know if you have any of this here, but some interesting, we mentioned Nancy Cartwright as the shoe. Scientologist. Sorry, the shoe, yeah. Apparently, Wikipedia says, the noises provided for Dumbo were provided by Frank Welker. Probably.

I mean, probably, sure. He's Megatron. You better believe his Megatron. And sometimes Galvatron, depending on the version. That's right. This says Kathleen Turner was the voice of Jessica Rapids. That's true? Okay.

There you go. You better believe it. Well, she was romancing the Stone. That's true, yeah. And Zemeckis director, that. Is Sean Aston in this for a second in one of the bar scenes? Great question. I mean, you would have been really young.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Elijah Wood is in Back to the Future too. That's true. He's not, forget I said anything. He does not appear. Okay. This can make the extended as a fun tidbit. Wow, what a fun tidbit.

That time I thought Sean Ashton was in this, but it was just a guy who looks like Sean Astin. Correct. Wow. Box officer for this, on a budget of around $70 million, making it one of the most expensive films of the 80s, it made $351.5 million. Pretty good.

Big hit. Yeah. One that built on word of mouth and every test screening got stronger and stronger and stronger. I guess I've always assumed this was a bomb because it's so weird. Yeah, it's, it's weird and you don't really hear about it. Yeah. You know, there was no subsequent, like you said, there was no subsequent materials, there was no sequel. He does, Roger Rabbit doesn't appear in any kind of like, Space Jam movies. Space Jam or Back in Action or or, or, unless he does. Yeah, maybe he's in there some, but I mean, you don't see him talk or, you know, I guess potentially it's one of those things,

you know, as Emacus has repeatedly said there will never be another back to the future movie while I'm alive. Maybe it's similar to this. Maybe he's just, maybe he's got some sort of legal say over this and he's like, I don't want the magic to be ruined by another one of these by someone else or by me. Well, I hate. Currently, current, current Roberts of Vegas. I said, I said to my lawyers, if I go crazy and I will and I'm going to start making weird uncanny valley stuff, don't let me make another Roger Rabbit. I've put all the animation cells in a safe and if I try to go for it, it's going to go up in flames. It'll cut my hands off. Yeah. Well, you say all that.

I do say a lot of things. And there has been some sort of sequel or prequel planned since the original came out. There is. There's a sequel book, which is a sequel to the book. But it basically goes, oh, that book was a dream. What happened was the movie? Okay, right, right. Which makes sense.

Because Roger Rabbit in that was the one who murdered himself or whatever. He does the murder. James, you didn't read the book. So one of the things in the works was a prequel called Tune Platoon. Where Goofy does all those spying and war crime things. He does all the bad stuff. He does them all. So Roger and several fellow tunes are drafted into the Army during World War II

because tunes cannot be killed with conventional weapons. And they go on a mission into Nazi Germany to save Roger's fiancé, Jessica. Sure. What's she doing in Nazi Germany? Good stuff, probably. Yeah, probably. Sexy spy stuff. Probably sexy.

Bouncy, sexy spy stuff. Absolutely. This ends with Roger coming home being reunited with his mother and father and it's revealed that Bugs Bunny is his father. Whoa. Is that canonical? I don't know. There was also talk of a sequel for several years. Bob Hoskins actually signed on in 2010 to do one,

but he passed away. And the idea was to use modern computing technology and also hand-drawn animations, something like a Chippendale Rescue Rangers or whatever. He's not a bad either. It's like a worse version of this. Not an atrocious movie. Yeah, I thought it was pretty fun generally, yeah. You know Eddie Valiant, Austin Butler.

Oh my God. Shailabuff? Oh, my God. God. He's worked with, you know, a bunch of animated stuff before. It's true. Who else would be a terrible choice? Jacob Allorty.

Jacob All right. He would play it straight though, wouldn't be? Yeah, he would, see. Big and straight. Big straight Jacob Allorty, here he comes. He'd be a good judge, do. He would actually, yeah. Yeah.

So Bob Hoskins, of course, passed away in 2014. But in November of 2016, while promoting his film Allied, Roberts Omecca stated that the sequel will move the story of Roger and Jessica Rabbit into the next few years. and it would have a film noir kind of edge set in the 1950s. And he said the sequel would feature a digital Bob Hoskins and Eddie who would return it in ghost form. I don't like that. I don't like it either.

Stop using new technologies in a bad way. Yeah. This was your magnum opus, Robert Zemeckis. Stop here. It's fine. But he's also said since that Disney are not interested and find Jessica Rabbit too hot. And in some of the Disney attraction,

she's in like a big yellow trench coat. Oh, is she? Okay, right. So that's how it goes. But Gary K. Also, you shouldn't add, don't add ghosts to this. No, it's another level of... Like, you know what you could do is you could say somebody...

You could take one of his photos from his family album and then somebody drew over it and made an animation cell and it's animated. Yeah. Eddie Valley. That would work better. I agree. Well, well. Or do a worse version of that.

Oh yeah, the crazy ghost thing that you said that sounds yuck. Yeah, no, you could do that. Sorry. So Gary Kay Wolf, though, not a real wolf. He actually got the rights back and is working on a film adaptation of the novel Jessica Rabbit, Zirious. the next business, which came out in 2022. I just...

If you say so. Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah. Like, unfortunately, I mean, this came out at a very specific time and it was the pinnacle of like old school movie making technology. And it's kind of lightning in a bottle. Yeah. And we'll probably see something akin to this or something that's a sequel,

prequel to this, but I don't know, man. Something the zoomers will come up with. It'll be about a magical world of like subway surfing while family guy clips happen and they all meet in a magical world. The magical world is backrooms also. It is also in the backrooms, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. The Roger Rabbit book is something that I have always thought about reading.

I haven't actually read it. I haven't read it either, James. Yeah. News to you. I'll speak to it. But the, it feels to me, and maybe, you know, maybe it is a great read, but it's always felt to me like it's based around cartoons, which are a completely visual medium. It's like, sometimes you read a superhero novel.

And it's like, well, Letty did the biggest punch ever. He punched that guy to the moon. You should have seen it. I wish I could tell you about it Yeah I wish somebody could draw this But I'll draw it with my words I'm not interested in your words Anyways, do you want to hint towards next week?

Yes Lunar Tunes back in action Haven't seen that one Much requested Apparently an underrated gem That bombed harder than Goofy during World War II For the Germans or whatever he was doing

That's what he did Yeah If you want to see that early There's three places you can YouTube membership Big Sandwich.com Patreon.com slash Mr. Sunday movies And there's all sorts of bonus stuff there

Going to start podcast, movie commentaries, all sorts. Limitless potential technologies for the future. But just things and videos we've been doing. Absolutely. Yeah. Also, we have a podcast. It's called The Weekly Planet. Check it out.

It comes out every Monday. Should we go? We should go. Should we thank Ben for the edit. Thank you, Ben. All right. Ben, did you enjoy this? Did you enjoy rewatching or possibly watching for the first time?

Who framed Roger Rabbit? Statement. All right then. Good to know. Yes. Bye, everyone. Grabbed out, Jamie. We'll see you next week.