The Weekly Planet - X-Men - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

Cast your mind back to the year 2000. Okay great. And now think about the movie X-Men which introduced the world to the modern superhero movie with the likes of Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, Patrick Ste...warts a bald guy, Ian McKellen as Magnet and Halle Berry as a much underused Storm. And with the likes of James Marsden coming back as Cyclops for Avengers: Doomsday in 2026 this decades old Marvel franchise has never been more relevant. And then there's the Bryan Singer of it all. YUCK. Anyways thanks for watching our Caravan Of Garbage reviewSUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome back everybody to another episode of Caravada Garbage where we're taking a look at some of the original... We're taking a look... Great intro, James. I also want to say that before you see... We hit the record button and you just stared into space for like five seconds. Are you prepared for this? Were you blown away by the majesty of X-Men 2000?
Starting point is 00:00:18 I have extensive notes, Mason. Were you shocked by the fact that it has tobacco depictions? Oh, yeah. I watched it on Disney Plus and that was one of the warnings that we got up front. Tobacco depictions. Yeah, right. I mean, neither positive or negative, but it's happening. Wolverine is smoking a big cigar and he does look really cool while he's doing it.
Starting point is 00:00:35 He does look so cool and shirtless, doesn't he? Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. He can smoke a cigar, shirt on, shirt off. While driving. While driving. Yeah. While not driving.
Starting point is 00:00:45 Absolutely. Yeah. We're going to be taking a look at the early days X-Men movies. Okay, sure. Now, these movies were critical in making superhero movies big again. They peaked with like Superman and then original Batman 89, which is not the original Batman, there's one in the 60. Shut up! Please leave a like. It wasn't over the original
Starting point is 00:01:03 Batman as well. Oh yeah, there was one before that, true. But, you know, things had tapered off a bit. Absolutely. And this movie, of course, is largely credited for revitalising the genre. Even though, to be fair, Blade came before it and also did a lot of heavy lifting.
Starting point is 00:01:19 But this was pre-Spiderman. Also, I think Blade is probably not as recognizable as a superhero property. Oh, okay. Recently talked to something back. Let's discount Blade. Let's listen to Mason, discount. Let's throw it out. Let's chuck it in the bin. I've spoken to a lot of people recently. That's not true. I haven't spoken to a lot of people recently.
Starting point is 00:01:35 I've barely spoken to anybody recently. But I spoke to one person recently. I mentioned Blade is a comic book movie and they said, Blade is a comic book movie. I said yes. Marvel. But they were just like, that's a Dracula movie. But it can be two things. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:01:49 But I would say the X-Men, up until a certain point, it was probably the 80s or the early 90s. The 80s. That they were not as recognized. to the general public. Like, I think comic book fans love the X-Men. But I think if you went to the general public
Starting point is 00:02:04 and said, name an X-Men, they wouldn't really know. But it took the X-Men cartoon series, the X-Men arcade game, and then this, and that really kind of kicked it off. You are not wrong. And it kicks things off with a very restrained title sequence for the era. I remember it being longer.
Starting point is 00:02:20 I mean, I think the other ones are longer. Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah. But it is a classic superhero movie, flying through the DNA. Yeah. You know. What's happening?
Starting point is 00:02:28 What is a human body? in the human mind. DNA's cracking. It's cracking. It's reforming. Jinks? No. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:35 All right then. All right. What's interesting about the story of this one is, well, a number of things which we'll get into, but unlike every other X-Men movie, it's not based on a specific comic. Oh, yeah. And also, neither are the other ones, really. And anyone that's, like, named after a specific comic like Days of Future Past or another example, it's really name only and what characters do we have in the MCU not have.
Starting point is 00:02:57 I think you'll find this X-Men movie. is based on the classic X-Men comic book storyline, a thumping at the Statue of Lipley. But then, of course, later, it was probably turned into one of those fake comic books in Logan, right? Sure, yeah, absolutely, yeah. I really enjoy this still. There's definitely dated elements,
Starting point is 00:03:13 but the action's pretty solid. Kei Kuan served as an uncredited fight choreographer on this. Well, he says that now. And there is video. And there's video footage on it. But anything can be fake now. Yeah. I think it looks great.
Starting point is 00:03:25 You know, even things like this did the pin art, which Zach Snyder then stole for Man of Steel This did it before that Yeah but they did it for a boring building or whatever And Man of Steel did it for Russell Crow's face Which is much more exciting than a building Absolutely
Starting point is 00:03:41 I think there's a lot of really good practical stuff here That works like Wolverine's claws popping up For the first time was out of a prosthetic hand And seeing that was incredible There's a water guy who turns to water And that's an incredible transitional effect It's really great You talk about Senator Kelly?
Starting point is 00:03:56 Senator Kelly! He's more of a jelly man that turns to water. Okay, fair enough. You know, that's Magneto's plan. Is it turn everybody into jellymen? Well, not everybody would have turned into a jellyman. They would have had different specific mutations that turned them into different things. You don't know that for sure.
Starting point is 00:04:10 What we need is a what if? We need a what if of this movie. Yep. You refilm it exactly as it was. Then the blast hits them, the mutant blast hits them. We see what they turn into. Jelly men, trifle men. Yep.
Starting point is 00:04:23 Biscotti men. Fairy bread men. Lamington men. Lamington's good. Yeah. Lammington men. Yo-yo's. Sure.
Starting point is 00:04:30 Yeah. I think also this movie does a really good job of taking the concept and the ideas and the characters seriously. At a point too seriously, I think people could safely make that argument. But also, and I think the reason this one works is the same reason that maybe like Iron Man 2008 and the Avengers kind of works. Because you have a cool guy in the case of the Avengers that's Iron Man going, who's this stupid idiot, this stupid cape? You look stupid And then the audience go This is a bit stupid
Starting point is 00:05:00 And then they sort of get on board They go the movie acknowledges This is silly Then we all move on But this has Wolverine going What's this stupid house With stupid idiots in it Walking through stupid walls
Starting point is 00:05:11 Like dumb asses You're a dumbass And you're a dumbass And you're in a wheelchair dumbass So we The audience go Well if a cool guy thinks That's a dumbass in a wheelchair
Starting point is 00:05:20 We can all move on Yeah but Brian Singer Apparently He banned comics on set Because he didn't want to influence the cast in their portrayals necessarily. Though Hugh Jackman did specifically look at Wolverine from the 90s cartoon just to kind of get an idea
Starting point is 00:05:35 of who is this character. I feel like also it's really easy to botch an opening which is set in a Nazi concentration camp but this does handle that really well. There's a great establishment of a school and I guess this is a good time to point out that Brian Singer has always been a fan of secret activities within a school.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Let's talk about it, Mason. So this is directed by, Brian Sigger. Sure. He has been accused of multiple things over the decades. Oh, yes. I could list, and here's a list of some of them, different articles. Nothing has stuck.
Starting point is 00:06:06 He's never faced any kind of serious consequences. He did settle a case in 2019 for $150,000. But there is a very interesting THR article from a few years back, which talks about the hectic behind the scenes of this film. Drug use, tantrums, writer feuds. Again, sexual assault allegations related to three of his friends who visited the set. Apparently, he just had like a cavalcade of different people visiting. the entire time.
Starting point is 00:06:27 Just a bunch of suss guys. Yeah, it seems that way. A number of young men, including some who were minors at the time, have claimed in published interviews that Singer dangled X-Men auditions in front of them in exchange for sex. Things like that.
Starting point is 00:06:39 I don't like any of that. You're not supposed to, Mason. This isn't a bit where... I'm not trying to with Dear Brian Singer to anybody here. Okay, good. Lauren Shula Donna was a producer on this and has been for, I think, most, if not all of the X-Men movies.
Starting point is 00:06:52 She was quoted in this article. It's a weird business. The film business. We honor creativity. talent and we forgive the brilliant ones. Unconsciously, we probably do enable them by turning a blind eye to whatever they're doing and taking their product and putting it out into the world. Another executive involved in the film said, his behaviour was poor on the movie,
Starting point is 00:07:07 we accommodated him on the first movie, and therefore we can accommodate him on the second movie and on, and it created a monster. This is also going to come up later in the video for other things. Terrific. Anyway. I'm going to go on record as saying, uh, X-Men 2000, probably not worth it then. It's pretty good, but it's not that good. Yeah, I mean, it gave us one Hubert Jackman did it not, Mason.
Starting point is 00:07:29 Yeah, but he was also in Paperback Hero. Oh, yeah. He would have become a big star regardless. He probably would have. Well, let's talk about the cast. Perfect casting, not a foot wrong. Patrick Stewart was fan cast in the early 90s. That's right, and he's so young in this.
Starting point is 00:07:43 Oh, my God. I mean, he's young, old. Sure. And Ian McKellen is also y'old. He's y' old. That's right. Yeah. And the rest are yOLO.
Starting point is 00:07:51 That's true. You know? It's funny looking at the cast interviews at the time because they're like, I don't know the... this world. I'm a serious actor or I'm handsome. I don't need to know about this. Whereas now you can't really have a cast saying that. No. That'd be like, well, actually, I'm, I wasn't a big fan, but now I'm a really big fan.
Starting point is 00:08:08 I'm probably the biggest fan. My favourite was Tales of Suspense Issue 62 was the introduction of, but it doesn't matter. I love when someone's like, I don't know, it's a character. Yeah. I don't know, they wrote some words down and then I said those words. I wish they would go back to that. I wish there'd be the next run of superhero movies There's just a guy and he's pretty good looking
Starting point is 00:08:28 And they're like, what was your workout routine? He's like, nothing. I wore it, they put the muscles in the suit, it's fine. Yeah. I didn't feel like going shirtless, so I didn't. And then I stood on the X and I said all my lines that were in the script. Yep.
Starting point is 00:08:40 I don't know. I looked at a green blank wall and I screamed or whatever. And then a laser came out of me or threw me, I don't know. And that gave me my... I don't know, they filmed these out of order. I don't know. Did that take away my powers? What comic book storylines would I like to see them adapt next?
Starting point is 00:08:54 I don't know. The one that gives me $12 million. That's exactly right. And the least number of lines. If we're going to have 12 lines, million dollars a line, I'll take it. Now, speaking of casting, Michael Jackson actually came in at one point and wanted to play Professor X. He did this a lot in the 90s. He was like, I want to be Spider-Man, I want to be Jar Jar Biggs.
Starting point is 00:09:15 He was doing this all the time. A menace. You just said before there were a bunch of sus guys coming in on him. set, but I don't, this doesn't, this doesn't, uh, this isn't track to that at all. Look, I can't speak to that other than, I think he definitely did some crimes. That's all I'm saying, cue the Michael fucking Jackson defenders. Welcome, come in. Go fucking nuts in the comments.
Starting point is 00:09:33 Now is a prime time, because that movie's coming out. Yeah, exactly. You know? Lauren Shuler Donna recall saying to him, do you know Xavier is an older white guy? And Michael said, oh yeah, you know, I can wear makeup. And with that, he queued up an elaborate presentation complete with the short film Ghosts, in which the pop star morphed into a 60-something white mare railing against a well-meaning performer who entertains local children with magic tricks.
Starting point is 00:09:58 Wait, what? Did he make a short film? Apparently. Did he tailor a new short film every time he pitched himself as a superhero? I don't know, I think he was probably just doing little vanity projects for himself where he can hang out with kids and be like, I'm special and cool or whatever. Okay, yeah, look at these tricks, kids. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Pretty great. It's pretty great. It's pretty great, but then they didn't cast him is what you're saying. No, they ended up not casting Michael Jackson in this movie. Interesting, okay. Anyway, let's talk about some of the movie. Okay, if we must. The thing's in the movie.
Starting point is 00:10:27 Sure. I mean, a great introduction to Wolverine, having him in a cage fight. He'd worked out more at this point because he seemed shirtless later and he's smaller later than he is in here. That's right, yeah. But that's because Rogue took away his powers or whatever. Oh, yeah. That's how you know prize at James. Remember the no prize?
Starting point is 00:10:44 That was after Sabretooth hit him with a tree or whatever. That probably took away some of his powers. Probably took away some of his powers. That was when you could knock out Wolverine. That's exactly right. When Wolverine had some trouble doing a fight sometimes. Oh, remember when Hugh Jackman didn't work out so hard? Yes, I do. It was in this movie. It wasn't his entire life. I do remember that, yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:03 Famously, of course, he took over from Doograe Scott, who was injured on the set of Mission Impossible 2. And he took over three weeks into filming. Is that correct? It was later, yeah, it was very down to the wire. They wanted Russell Crow and at one point, Mel Gibson and whatever. But I think Russell Crow was one of the people who recommended Hugh Jackman. So here we are. All Australians. Not do great scotch.
Starting point is 00:11:21 No. But the other three. You know what's good about this team as well? Like the first time we see Storm and Cyclops doing a little rescue. Oh, yes. They're just a really efficient team who are very good at their powers. Like the Boy Scouts. Like the Boy Scouts.
Starting point is 00:11:32 I mean, they know what they're doing together. They know each other's abilities and limits. And they, you know, it's like a tight little unit. And the opposite number, the bad guys, who don't have a team name, but they're like the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. Yeah, yeah. You wouldn't call yourself that. No.
Starting point is 00:11:47 Or maybe you would. These days you would. I don't know. But what I like about the bad guys is that they are also very good at what they do. Toad especially. Yes. Because again, he's just towed. He's just a guy who can jump and stick to walls and he's got a disgusting long tongue and he can shoot out a lot of phlegm.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Yeah. But he's had those all his life and he's like, well, I'm good with those. Yeah. Yeah. And I know karate. So he can fight against someone who, you know, can control the weather or shoot lasers out of their eyes or... Because he's fast and sticky. I know Cyclops doesn't shoot.
Starting point is 00:12:18 lasers out of his eyes, but I'm saying he could fight a guy who shoots lasers out of his eyes. He doesn't in this movie. He doesn't in this movie. He fights a guy who shoots a concussive beam of force from the punch dimension or whatever. But I'm saying he could fight a guy that shoots lasers out of his eyes. Let's talk about Cyclops. Classically underused character in these movies. Agreed. Looking real good, by the way. Turtle necks, cardigans, high-wasted pants, Oakley's. Sure, not the Oakley's, but the rest of it, that's an outfit from now. Whereas if you look at what Wolverines wear, like one of those sorts of those. stripy leather jackets and then a denim jacket and then like a cowboy shirt,
Starting point is 00:12:52 then a ratty old t-shirt and dog tags. That was cool then. Too many layers. He looks like a dirt bag. What are we talking about recently where somebody had too many layers on? Tom Cruise? It was Tom Cruise. It's the same jacket.
Starting point is 00:13:04 It's the style of jacket. Absolutely. That was the era, man. Yeah. Yeah. Also, you have to buy a bunch of weird different sizes. You know, you're buying a medium denim jacket, but then a large leather jacket. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:13:14 It's ridiculous. I completely agree. You know, you buy it to do that outfit and then you can't wear the pieces. You really can't, man. You idiots. What are you going to be swimming around with just a t-shirt and that leather jacket? What are you talking about, Hugh Jackman? You dumb, you're the dumbass. You stupid idiots.
Starting point is 00:13:28 You should go to Xavier School for learning how to coordinate, you dumb ass. Cyclops' Oakley glasses were manufactured with custom specs. They are custom specs in a way. And apparently James Mar- James in a way, they are custom specs. Spectacles, is what I'm saying. It's a real spectacle. What's a real spectacle?
Starting point is 00:13:48 Cool. I don't know. I'm just yes-handed. Okay. They are good outfits, though. Yeah. Yeah. Oakley apparently gave Marsden a lifetime supply of sunglasses, which is, I guess, okay. That model of sunglasses? I hope so. I hope so, too. You get sent a new one every week because they know he stamps on them when they get delivered. In Australia, those sort of sunglasses are called speed dealers.
Starting point is 00:14:12 Yeah. Some people who deal speed specifically. Yeah. Anyway, the bad guy, Magnet. Yes. Incredible work by Ian McAllen. I love the little touches that you see him do. Like he's doing a little click-clack machine in his office, whatever they're called. An executive desk toy, yes. Thank you very much. They have an actual name.
Starting point is 00:14:30 There's a moment where he's building a bridge on the fly. It's just forming under his feet. That's so good, man. I mean, and Xavier's attempting to build bridges, but they're metaphorical. Boring. Excuse me? Yeah, exactly. I'm glad they cut all that out, or most of it.
Starting point is 00:14:44 I want to see a man build a literal bridge. And then in the third movie, lift a literal bridge and be like, I always like building bridges like Professor Xavier or whatever. Remember that line? Yeah. That's subtlety. And that's movie making. You don't always pick up those things the first time you watch them.
Starting point is 00:14:58 That's Chekhov's bridge. You have him build a bridge in the first movie. Yep. Then tension for the second one. Where's the bridge? Then he moves the bridge in the third one. Oh, there's the bridge. There's the bridge.
Starting point is 00:15:08 Yeah. We call it to Magnet's Bridge. Shout out to the minor mutants in this who got recast. Pyro, Miss Run Through Walls. Jubilee. Yeah, Jubilee. Who never really got her. No, they did a prequel one where she was in it,
Starting point is 00:15:21 and they go to the mall or whatever. Iceman, or Brackett's boy in this, how's he turning a ball of fire into ice? What's the deal with that? I don't know, molecules. Oh, yeah. All right, I look like a right pratt now, don't know. Molecules and DNA.
Starting point is 00:15:36 And the evolution of DNA. Yeah. That's the way they snuck around. I don't know if you notice, but when Professor X is describing magneto, he says he can create magnetic fields and control metal. Right.
Starting point is 00:15:47 So when people go, oh, actually he shouldn't be able to, because you shouldn't be able to control bullets because there's no, they're not magnetic, well, he can control metal. Yeah, listen.
Starting point is 00:15:56 Listen for once in your life. Yeah, you damn, idiots. Yeah. You should go to Xavier's school for knowing how to listen. I think we all could benefit from that. Absolutely, not us. Because we always listen and we know.
Starting point is 00:16:07 Listening 101, we'd be the teachers. We would be. Yeah. Listen up, we'd say at the start. And then we'd go, this is serious. That's right. You think this is a joke?
Starting point is 00:16:15 Then we turn our chairs around and our hats around. And then they'd know we were the cool teachers. That's right. You know what I found shocking about the ice boy, ice man character. Go on. So it's Sean Ashmore. Correct. But there's two of him at one point in this.
Starting point is 00:16:30 But they didn't bring in his twin brother Aaron Ashmore. Brutal. They're both him. Wow. When you know there's that scene where he walks past and then Mystique comes out of the thing. Oh yeah. It's all him, man. It's just special effects.
Starting point is 00:16:40 Wow. How do you think that went down in the Ashmore household at Thanksgiving? Probably not very well. Have they been interviewed about this? Did Sean Ashmore be like, hey bro, we're going to do a scene. Hey, bro, which one of us is Quantum Break? Do you remember? Did David Hater, writer of this script?
Starting point is 00:16:59 Did he go to Sean Ashmore and say, hey, bro, we're going to do a scene where there's two of you, there's two Ice Boys, do you want to get your brother Aaron Ashmore in on this? And Sean Ashmore was like, nah, he's busy. But he was lying. He's busy doing Quantum Break, unless they're not. That's also me. He's still tired from animorphs, but that also might have been me. I think we were both in that maybe, because there's a lot of morphing in that, you know?
Starting point is 00:17:25 Wait, which one am I? David Hater, help me. You take on multiple personas as this guy and also solid snakes sometimes? Sometimes Keitha Sutherland will do it. Sometimes that's true. Who am I? Rebecca Romaine, I feel, kills it in this movie despite what was probably the worst time of her entire life. So the mystique costume consisted of 110 custom design prostheses,
Starting point is 00:17:49 which cover 60% of her body and took nine hours to apply. She could not drink wine, use skin creams, nor fly the day before because it would have caused her body chemistry to change slightly, which means the prosthetics would fall off. She also said, I had no contact with the rest of the cast. It was like I was making a different movie from everyone else. It was hell. Also, fun story.
Starting point is 00:18:07 Fun story, Brian Singer Alert time. Oh, here we go. On set, apparently his drug use at the time was problematic. Interesting. Among other things it was doing, leading to late arrivals, mood swings and explosive tantrums. Some of the characters, like Remain's mystique,
Starting point is 00:18:20 required hours of body paint before filming as mentioned, and on a whim, Singer would decide not to use her in a scene. Marvel Chief Kevin Feigey, Oh yes. Then a young executive working for Shula Donna, was dispatched to ensure
Starting point is 00:18:31 that someone was keeping Singer in line. Interesting. Early days, Kevin Feigy coming in hot with ideas. Nice. How about don't be crook? Thanks for your input, Kevin, but I'd rather still be crook, actually. I'm going to be crook for decades.
Starting point is 00:18:43 Yeah, That's right. If you wouldn't mind. I do mind, actually. Get back to me when you're head of Marvel entertainment, Kevin Feigy, if that's even possible for you. I do think it's interesting that Kevin Feigy worked on this and then oversaw 30 plus Marvel movies and TV shows. And never has Brian Singer been involved in any of them. That's very interesting.
Starting point is 00:19:03 He was doing X-Men movies after this. Yes. That says something. Anyway, there's an evil plan. Magnet's got an evil plan. I thought you meant in real life. Brian Singer's evil plan. He does have an evil plan.
Starting point is 00:19:13 He has executed many evil plans. Yes. So magnet has a plan and it involves a big magnet. And the magnet does a big mutation. It'll turn you into a water guy or another dessert or whatever we talked about it. A custard. It might turn you into a custard. My goodness.
Starting point is 00:19:28 They're going to pour you over the biggest Christmas pudding in the city and ruin Christmas for everyone. How does it mutate people using magnets? I don't know. It spins really fast. Absolutely. It's bad guy technology. It can do anything. It's fine.
Starting point is 00:19:41 Yeah, they turn Senator Kelly into a Gumbie guy. and then a water guy, as we discussed. But of course, there's one person who could definitely stop him at every turn if you could get Magneto's helmet off, but of course, Professor X, something has to happen to him every movie, isn't it? What do we call it?
Starting point is 00:19:54 He has to get Professor X, which is when you take the most powerful character, which almost inevitably is Professor X, and you take him out of the equation. In this case, with a big sort of brown soup you put inside Cerebrae, and it destroys his brain for a bit. What was that?
Starting point is 00:20:09 I don't know, brown soup. They probably turned a guy into a festive Christmas soup. And then they squirted it into that. But is it like, is it psychic soup? Yeah, it's a psychic soup. Because it didn't get injected into him. No. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:20:21 Maybe it was just like crook pornos or whatever, but. Maybe. Reflected into his mind. Maybe they just extracted it from Brian Singer's brain while he was asleep. And then they put it into the machine. Oh. And then put the real Patrick Stewart into a coma. And then he saw it and he went, oh.
Starting point is 00:20:36 No, no, no. Anyway, I watch this with my son. Oh, yes. What did you think? Because I'm like, there's a new freaking doomsday movie coming up or whatever. You're going to know some of these guys. And you said to him, you've got to keep your grades up. Otherwise, we're going to send you to this school where all sorts of crazy stuff happens.
Starting point is 00:20:50 Wait for X-Men 2. If you play up, that's going to happen. I'm going to send you to the school where there's some sort of special forces mutant massacre. Brian Cox is coming. He's going to scream at you. That's right. Is that what you want? Whatever your acting method is, he doesn't like it.
Starting point is 00:21:03 And he's going to scream at you. He was like, yeah, I liked him. But he was like, it was weird. It was a little off. Which I think is like probably the era of filmmaking more than anything else. I think it's a pretty tight movie all in all. Is that because modern superhero movies of which he's seen more? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:20 Although not in order, because you're not showing him the MCU in order. He's on his own now. He's doing his own thing. He's jazzing his way through the MCU. I think you should go to Xavier's school for showing your child how to watch the MCU movies in the correct order. Because currently you're getting an F. Good.
Starting point is 00:21:37 I want that. Good. But I was going to say because he's seen more modern-day comic book movies, is he like, well, this doesn't seem as authentic to the comic books, maybe, or does that even factor into his mind? Because, of course, you know, one of the criticisms of this movie is, you know, I mean, it's the X-Men on the big screen, but it's not, you know, they're not in the classic X-Men costumes. Yeah. I think he was also, he didn't really understand the plan. He's like, what is this?
Starting point is 00:22:02 Why are they mutating? Because then everybody, how does this work? They're going to turn everybody into a blemange, son? He just, I don't know. You're getting an F in this class of understanding. the plan of magnet in this movie. He also spotted Stan Lee in this, which I'd never noticed before.
Starting point is 00:22:18 Is he in the Cerebro Secret? No, he's on the beach. He might be in the Cerebro thing as well. No, he's not, I checked. He's definitely on the beach. Okay. He also had some questions about Cyclops. He said, how does Cyclops sleep?
Starting point is 00:22:26 So we looked it up. He sometimes wears a ruby quartz eye mask. Sure. He then said, how does he take a shower? So we looked it up, and people have speculated that he either closes his eyes or wears goggles. And he also, he liked how mean Wolverine was to Cyclops. He's like, love this.
Starting point is 00:22:42 Love this. This mirrors my interaction with everybody I know at school. Bullying. Thanks for teaching me that, Dad, in your class on how to bully kids. You're welcome. Also, sometimes he has ruby quartz contact lenses. That's true also, yeah. Does it blast just out of his little circular parts of the eye?
Starting point is 00:22:59 I guess it must. Often called irises. I guess it must. Like the band? Or like the song from the band. Google dolls, yeah. People are like, this is me in the 90s? Shut up, no one cares.
Starting point is 00:23:07 What are you talking about? You haven't seen that trend? No. Remember me in the 90s? And then it's the Googood Doll song. and then they like show pictures of them from the 90s and sometimes it's funny. No, don't worry about anything.
Starting point is 00:23:18 Don't worry about anything. Okay, that's a load off my mind, honestly. I was worried about some things. Don't. Okay, I won't. Anyway, Toad gets struck by lightning. Correct. This has always been considered by too many people
Starting point is 00:23:32 to be one of the worst blind deliveries and lines in cinematic history. There's a bit of background to this. First of all, I just don't think it's that bad. I think Hallie Berry Every's overall performance in this has been mangled and a lot of stuff has been cut out and her accent is kind of all over the shot. But I think a lot of it is also 80 art and also like a lot of characters in these movies, she's underused. It's Hallie Berry at like a pivotal moment in her career.
Starting point is 00:23:56 Also, based on what you've said, it seems like Brian Singer was probably coming on set and going like, do an American accent. No British accent. African? I don't know. Do whatever. Just African. Wrong. Wrong. Now I'm off to do my stuff. Yeah. But yeah, so the line was in the script, but it's left over from Josh Whedon's work on this. Only two lines from his version.
Starting point is 00:24:18 Oh, another cool dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. Not as bad. Not as bad, no. It's Crook-Locity in this one, isn't it? Yeah. But two lines from his script survived that one, and also the Euridic line that comes later.
Starting point is 00:24:29 It's supposed to be also said offhand. It's not supposed to be like such a dramatic thing, but Toad had a lot of lines in the lead-up where it'd be like, What does a Toad do when he does this or whatever? What does a Toad have a breakfast? Toad sandwiches What?
Starting point is 00:24:42 Sandwiches for breakfast What are you talking about? With toads in them? Yeah Yeah No, the toad eats the same It's because it's made by a toad You understand why they cut it out
Starting point is 00:24:50 Oh yeah Yeah, yeah So it would make more sense then When Hallie Berry says the line It's like it's a, she's taking the power back from him Exactly, yeah She could have said What happens when a to get struck by lightning, he croaks
Starting point is 00:25:02 That's... Oh yeah, that would have worked too Yeah Or she could have said he gets flying off a balcony to his death In the frozen depths of the New York Arbor or whatever Yeah, he might have said, show up in other movies, but he's recast or whatever. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it, Ray Park. Also, she and Cyclops were going to have their
Starting point is 00:25:16 backstories filmed. They were scripted and storyboarded, but they were never shot. They, I think they factor into later movies. They do them in prequel movies. Cyclops is a garage door. Wax him in the head. Oh, really? Yeah, that's how that happens. Okay. Actually, it's a car crash, but there's already a bunch of car crashes in this movie already, so it's like...
Starting point is 00:25:33 What do we do, more car crashes? Yeah, what is this? It just happens in a classroom or something, doesn't it in the other one? Or they make him take his glass. I can't remember. It's in an X-Men Wolverine prequel. Oh, okay. Because like his power, he's supposed to be able to control his power.
Starting point is 00:25:47 Yeah. Like switching on and off. Like his brother. Like his brothers. Oh! Hexor or? Yeah, Hexor. Dorkless.
Starting point is 00:25:53 Hexor and Sexor. The Summers brothers. The other Summers brothers. No, thank you. What, do they live in the He-Man universe? Yep. All right. One of the Summers brothers is in first class, right?
Starting point is 00:26:02 Yeah. Havoc. And his dad's a space pirate. He's called Corsair. Correct. Don't worry about it. I said, don't worry about it. Remember?
Starting point is 00:26:09 Yeah, man. I'm not worried about anything. Which part of mystique did Wolverine cut off? Oh, because he chopped off when she was using her fake Wolverine claws. Yeah. Just some of her bits. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:26:19 I don't know how that works. That was one of the questions my son had. He was like, wait, does she have his powers? And I'm like, just hang on a minute. Just wait a second. And then he's like, oh, no. Just wait a minute.
Starting point is 00:26:28 Let the movie do the talking. And let different people do the writing. Different men. Let's talk about this. Well, what do you think? I think, yeah, part of her body morphed into it and then I got cut off. Yeah. That's what I think happened.
Starting point is 00:26:39 Yeah, but just molecules? Molecules? I guess, because then later she's fine. She's got molecules. Yeah. She's like missing an ear later, so. No, not later or earlier. The writing on this.
Starting point is 00:26:50 Yes. Anyway, they all run around the Statue of Liberty and Sabtooth and whatever. Sure do. You know. Yeah, I know. Rogue and absorbing and magnets and whatever. Sure, absolutely. And they all work together as a team?
Starting point is 00:27:03 XJet. XJet. The Black, the Blackbird. Gene Gray is in this. We haven't mentioned that, but she is. Yes, that's right. Famca Jansen. Apparently not invited back for like
Starting point is 00:27:12 Deadpools and etc. Yeah, she's in spin-off. Some Wolverine stuff. And I reckon she's going to be in... So I meant like for the MCU. Madeline Pryor. Oh, Madeline Pryor. Very good.
Starting point is 00:27:24 Apparently 28 drafts of the screenplay were written by several different writers including Christopher McQuoey. Oh, Mr. Christopher Macquoey? Yeah. From the Mission Impossible for Inch Wales. That's right, yeah. From that article I mentioned earlier,
Starting point is 00:27:36 apparently Brian would bring people to story meetings who weren't involved in the movie. Young guys, a different person every time. As you mentioned, David Hader, voice of Solid Snake sometimes most of the time, he received sole credits. But he was actually singer's assistant
Starting point is 00:27:49 and was answering phones on the production at the time and he was receiving $500 a week. But he still wrote the script. Well, here's the thing. So apparently Ed Solomon and Christopher Macquarie. Ed Solomon, he's from Dominion in Wack franchise. He is, yes. They wrote most of it,
Starting point is 00:28:04 but they don't have their name on it. So Peter Rice, who was a 20th century Foxx example, called David Hayden to his office and said, listen, we're going to give you $35,000 and that's all you're ever going to get, be happy with that. So I don't know whether we've got any back end stuff with that. But yeah, a bunch of people worked on this. Only one credit. Only one credit.
Starting point is 00:28:21 Interesting. Yeah. Just a shamozzle. Just a shahambles. Sounds like a shahambles. Yeah. Anyway, that's the time for trivia men. Well, this is trivia for men. But if you're not a man, you can listen. You can take this on board. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:33 But you can't share it with your friends. No. That's right. This is secrets just for men. Secret trivia just for men. Shortly after accepting the role of Magnet, Sir Ian McCallan was offered the role of Gandalf in Lord of the Rings. He had to decline that, though,
Starting point is 00:28:47 but then he spoke to Brian Singer about his interest in making Lord of the Rings, so Singer agreed to rearrange the movie's shooting schedule so that he could finish, you could do that as well. Which I guess that's the one good thing that Brian Singer did while making this movie. Correct. Here's some names for other people considered for things. Oh, yes.
Starting point is 00:29:03 Angela Bassett was considered for Storm. Makes sense. Natalie Portman turned down to Roe. These people thus far have all but become part of the MCU. It's true. Ben Affleck was considered for Cyclops. Oh yes, but he's the devil later. He's the Deer Devil, yeah. And he was paycheck.
Starting point is 00:29:17 He was paycheck, that's true. Peter Wilson was offered the role of Jean Grey. Australia's Peter Wilson. I think she was working on La Fem, Nikita or whatever. Maybe. Something around that time. Maybe. She was Alex G.
Starting point is 00:29:28 Other actors considered for the role of Wolverine were Mel Gibson, Aaron Eckhart, Jean-Claude Van Dam. Vigo Mortensen, who apparently came in and his son was like, you should do this and he was like, nah, fuck this. I'll be in a history of violence, thank you. Yeah, man. I'll pick and choose my comic book adaptations. He does, doesn't he?
Starting point is 00:29:44 Yeah. Edward Norton, Bob Hoskins, love that. Love that. That is good, yeah. Especially like an early 90s, Bob Hoskins. Yeah. Beautiful. Keanu Reeves and Gary Seneyce.
Starting point is 00:29:54 And the last bit of trivia for men, just for men. This is, this is a pretty man-centric one. You don't have to be a man, though. But don't tell anyone. Not tell anyone these facts. It's for men. Hugh Jackman got his testicles caught in his harness after a six foot jump off the set statue of liberty.
Starting point is 00:30:08 And that's why his nickname since then has been Hugh Testicles. You know this? Come on, man. Come on, man. You're better than this. No, I'm not. No, I know you're not. Haven't you seen that skid of Hugh Jackman where he's got testicles on his chin?
Starting point is 00:30:20 Oh, yeah. So if anything, he's not better than it either. Me and him are the same. Except I'm not friends with Rupert Murdoch. Yeah, that's true for now. That's what you're hoping for though. Definitely. That's what this is all lead up to.
Starting point is 00:30:30 That's what this video will lead to. Isn't that from movie 43? Yeah. One of the most famously one of the worst movies of all time? Correct, Mason. Terrific. Hugh testicles. Very good.
Starting point is 00:30:38 Ben doesn't like it when we do hashtags. He's like, what is this for? Who's hashtagging? You should get Lawrence Ender to do just this segment. Thank you, but this is hashtag Hugh Testicles, everyone. Anyways, box office for this, on a budget of $75 million. That's a conservative amount of money for a movie like this from this era, I guess. The return was 296.3.
Starting point is 00:30:59 Not bad. Solid return, really good DVD and VHS rental slash. This is a big hit. This is a medium-sized hit. That's right. Franchers were back. Yeah. Merch, big merch sales.
Starting point is 00:31:10 I got the X-Men cuff links. Do you? Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. Exactly, yeah. From this movie? Yes. Does Hugh Jackman have them on his big stupid leather jacket?
Starting point is 00:31:18 No, Patrick Stewart has them on his stupid little... I'm Patrick Stewart. Whatever, man. It's going to be stupid little shirt cups. Why aren't you wearing them now? I'm wearing a t-shirt. What are you talking about wearing a t-shirt to this podcast recording? Sorry.
Starting point is 00:31:32 Anyways, please come back next week because we're going to be talking about X2, X-Men United, first X-Men. In Australia, it was just called X-Men 2. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, cool, man, cool, yeah, cool, man. Anyways, if you do want to see these videos early, do you know you can?
Starting point is 00:31:44 You can go to Big Sandwich.com where it's all there. In addition to that, there's movie commentaries. We've got one on a bunch of X-Men movies, don't we? Probably X-Men 1. We do, actually, yeah. We do video game, Let's Play, we do bonus podcasts. All that now was also available at patreon.com
Starting point is 00:31:56 slash Mr. Sunday movies. If you feel like you want to go to a more reputable sounding website, It is absolutely all there. It's all ordered beautifully if you are interested. Oh, ordered. Ordered. Thank you so much to Ben for the edit. Thank you, Ben.
Starting point is 00:32:08 Thank you so much to Lawrence for the edit. Thank you, Lawrence. X-Men? X-Men? More X-Men next week? Next week, man. Good, all right. All right.
Starting point is 00:32:17 Thanks, everyone. Grabbed out, Jamie, guys. We'll see next week. X-Men.

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