The Weekly Planet - X-Men: The Last Stand - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: June 4, 2019

X-Men: The Last Stand in 2006 capped off the original X-Men trilogy that began with Bryan Singer and completed by Brett "The Rat" Ratner. Does it hold up? No. But is it all bad? Also no. This is our r...eview.Video Version â–º http://bit.ly/2EQhqKAJames' Twitter â–º http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter â–º http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon â–º https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch â–º https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes â–º https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download â–º https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link â–º https://amzn.to/2na5IF4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:55 This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. We're getting another Dark Phoenix story, Mason. Oh, good. But who could forget the very first Dark Phoenix story? And I'm not talking about the comics, Mason. But that was the first one. I'm not talking about the comics, Mason.
Starting point is 00:01:11 What are you talking about? I'm, of course, talking about X-Men 3, The Last Stand. Oh, right. Yeah, this came out in 2006. It capped off the original X-Men trilogy. It doesn't feel like a 2006 movie. What does it feel like to you? It feels like a 1999 movie.
Starting point is 00:01:24 Well, let's just say a lot of these X-Men movies have carried over certain traits from earlier X-Men films. And there are people out there going, it does feel like a 1999 movie. Oh, not a 2000. It's a 1999. Yeah, you better believe it. Okay, I'll say this of this movie. It's universally hated.
Starting point is 00:01:39 Yes. I don't think it's that much worse than the previous two X-Men movies. I don't think it's better. No. But I think, on the whole, it's on par in a lot of ways. I think so too, yeah. Yeah. That's not a stirring endorsement.
Starting point is 00:01:51 No, I mean, there's some low points, I think. Yes. I was going to say, there's some low points, but there's low points in the other movies. There really aren't that many low points in the other movies. Especially two. Yeah. Two's quite good. But the thing is, the production of this went through a tumultuous time.
Starting point is 00:02:04 Okay, I'm ready to hear about it. It ended up being directed by Brett Ratner. Brett the Rat Ratner. The Rat. Like Bryan Singer, who directed the previous ones. Punch in the Face Entertainment or whatever his production company is called. Yeah, apparently neither of them are very nice men for different reasons. But they offered the director's job to Darren Aronofsky,
Starting point is 00:02:22 who worked with Hugh Jackman on The Fountain. Right. Joss Whedon, but he was working on Wonder Woman. Alex Pryros. How do you say that guy's name? Who? The guy who did Dark City. Oh, Pryos.
Starting point is 00:02:33 Pryos, thank you. But he was feuding with Fox. Okay. And he wanted to make Gods of Egypt and Kings of Gods of Men of Egypt. Okay, I just want to pause just to be like, whatever the sentence you were trying to to say there i cannot believe it he wanted to make gods of egypt have you seen gods oh look it's ridiculous look it's kind of a it's kind of a fun watch if you're skimming it if you if you're doing something else put on gods of egypt and just come in every once in a while and be like that's ridiculous okay back to the ironing like a big hawk costume but it's like
Starting point is 00:03:03 iron man's over person yeah yeah it's like Iron Man's over a person? Yeah. Yeah, it's a good movie. Bloody Geoffrey Rush, he's there to stop the monster eating the sun or something. Who's eating the sun? Who'd be eating the sun? Don't be eating the sun. Sorry. How big's this monster?
Starting point is 00:03:14 Big, big enough to eat the sun. Well, you'd hope so. Yeah. No, but he was feuding with Fox. Zack Snyder, but he was doing 300. Okay. Peter Berg turned it down and actually hired Matthew Vaughn, who ended up doing X-Men First Class,
Starting point is 00:03:26 which I believe is one of the best X-Men movies. Agreed. But he left due to time constraints. He was like, well, I can't get this done in the allotted time period, so I'm out. But he actually did First Class in less of time to do the movie, but he did it. Terrific.
Starting point is 00:03:41 So we got Brett the Rat Ratner. Oh, yes. Who was doing nothing. That's right. He was just floating around in like a big inflatable donut in his pool, in his backyard. And they were like, hey, Ratner, you want to do a movie? And he's like, all right. What's a movie?
Starting point is 00:03:55 Oh, no, I'll figure it out on the day. Don't even worry about it. I think he might have been coming off the back of Superman Flyby. Oh, another unproduced Superman movie. Yeah, which wasn't getting done. But the reason Ryan Singer didn't do this movie is because he went to make Superman Returns right so but we'll get into more of the the fallout of that a bit later this was the first time I'd seen digital de-aging yeah right it's not very good is it but I would argue it's better
Starting point is 00:04:20 than X-Men Origins Wolverine first class origins yep 100 gambit yes gambit origin 100 yeah but i remember the time thinking this is that's a neat trick like i like that and i think it was also like i i forgive it in the sense that it seems to be it almost feels like it's kind of a surreal sepia tone yes where it's like did this past even happen kind of thing so i'm okay with it kind of no because they No, because they retconned everything maybe, so it didn't happen. Oh, joke's on me. Randa's always 12 steps ahead, you know. He knew they were going to retcon it into a future past situation.
Starting point is 00:04:52 He always do. But, yeah, look, it's not good. But the funny thing is I think there is a charm to that de-aging because it's one of the first times, if not the first time. And also it's funny, the methods of de-aging a person hasn't really changed since back then. You put Vaseline on the lens that's all you need your film is normal spray their hair dark go for your life but it really is it's just it's like virtual surgery it's just like pinning back areas on the face and they've just got better at doing it yeah right look at like modern marvel
Starting point is 00:05:18 movies for example it's pretty it's pretty flawless yeah right but yeah it's pretty much the same technique and all that i mean and they And they do it based on the hundreds of hours of Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek The Next Generation. So here's an element of the story which I like but is completely disregarded, almost entirely. The introduction of Angel as a kid. Not the introduction of Angel from X-Men Apocalypse Dark Origins. It's where he's like grating off his angel wings in the bathroom terrific like and it's there's elements of the story that i'm like maybe if you just focused on that one thing it would have made a good movie
Starting point is 00:05:54 instead of doing like origin of angel and dark phoenix yeah and the mutant cure yeah yeah but i mean that's the i feel that's the downfall of a lot of, I mean, probably also kind of superhero movies to this day. But I feel especially sort of in the early days of modern superhero movies, you know, your Spider-Mans and your X-Mans, is they went, okay, we have 30 plus years of continuity for these characters. We don't know what to put on screen. Let's put everything on screen. Let's do it all. Like, you know, and I've often said this about the Spider-Man movies is that Spider-Man is often considered like he's a's a fun happy-go-lucky character and every once you know every 10 years something tragic happens to him yeah but in the in the sam raimi spider-man movies everything tragic they just compacted it
Starting point is 00:06:32 into like six hours they went every everything bad that's happened let's show it let's show it all kind of thing but he's he's still got the quips doesn't he yeah it's barely yeah barely doesn't it because he's so sad yeah but you're right because his bike wheel went out the window yeah of course in spider-man 2 couldn't pay his rent yeah but like and and this is the same where it's like okay well we do have so many sagas to get through and we we just can't wait so let's let's throw them all in there which does do them all so we've got no ideas yeah future and it does a disservice to all of them and then again it drains it drains the brain's trust so that in 10 to 15 years time they just have to do the dark phoenix saga again that's right exactly it does have the introduction of the live action uh danger room which is just a
Starting point is 00:07:15 big unrealistic hologram room but it's the near future or whatever this came out in 2006 i guess it's 2010 i guess it's never that far ahead yeah there's a moment where wolverine cuts the head off a sentinel and then he throws it and it lands and it spins and then he steps out behind it. But if you watch that entire shot, he's never on it. Okay, right. He's not on the back of it.
Starting point is 00:07:34 He's not in it. He's crawling really fast around it. No, he's not. He's not doing that. He's not doing it. He's skulking like a cockroach around the head. Did you go back and forth on that? Yeah, I did.
Starting point is 00:07:44 Is this your Zapruder film? You're like, back and to the left did you go back and forth on that like i did time was is this yours a prudent film you're like back and to the left back and to the left nope he's never on there everyone said i was crazy but he's never been on there i remember being impressed that they included the sentinels but it's really not a good representation and they still haven't really done it properly no i mean we got the the days of future past sentinels yeah i don't mind the future ones because that's what they would evolve to. Yeah. But the 60s or 70s ones are kind of like, this is a bad design. That's the perfect time to have giant multi-shades of purple.
Starting point is 00:08:13 I agree. 100 foot tall sandals. I 100% agree. The swinging 60s. Yes. Here's some other things that I like. I'm ready. Kelsey Grammer is excellently cast.
Starting point is 00:08:22 I agree. As Beast. Nicholas Holt, I'm sure, is fine. This guy's way better. You sure he's fine? Well, he's mostly just Nicholas Hoult. He's like, I've got a serum. I've got a serum in this one.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's always just got a serum. I feel the post-first-class X-Men universe is just various actors who are now a little bit too popular and expensive for these movies going, just say I have a serum, actually. Just say I have a serum because I don't want to wear any of this. I don't want to put any of this makeup. I will spend 15 minutes in the makeup chair.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Just say I've got a serum. Well, Alan Cummings who played Nightcrawler was like, I'm not coming back to sit in the makeup chair for 45 hours. Also, I like Alan Page's Kitty Pryde. I think that's also a good inclusion. Like the good stuff from this movie has carried on. I agree, yeah. Angel, I think, is cast well, inclusion like the good stuff from this movie has carried on I agree yeah Angel I think
Starting point is 00:09:06 is cast well but again it's pointless that's Ben Foster right from 310D I like that guy yeah what I find interesting
Starting point is 00:09:12 about that moment where they go to cure Ben Foster where Ben Foster's dad's like Ben Foster you're a real ugly bloke and we're gonna get you
Starting point is 00:09:18 in this chair look at yourself mate he's beautiful that man is literally an angel you're just some middle aged slump shouldered dumpy looking idiot angel you're just some middle-aged slump-shouldered dumpy looking idiot yeah right my son's a freak yeah you're a fucking freak look at this guy
Starting point is 00:09:31 he's amazing he can fucking fly and what's what's interesting i also feel is like this is right on the cusp i think and this is i think part of the reason maybe the x-men feel a little bit dated in this era because this is just on the cusp of like if social media existed and you had wings and you could fly you wouldn't be cutting them off no you'd be you'd be flying you'd be flying on you'd be bloody flying on bloody snapchat absolutely flying on bloody you'd be flying on vine you'd be swinging off bloody vine on vines yeah on vine you'd be rich you'd have a reality tv show based around you you definitely man who has angel wings and can fly and abs yeah and abs such good abs he does have good abs and they'd be like what do you think about other mutants you'd be like i've never met me it's
Starting point is 00:10:16 just as far as i'm concerned it's just me a beautiful man with abs who can fly there's of course the inclusion of other mutants which which aren't as good. I'm going to go through some. I'm ready. Colossus in a horrible muscle suit. Yep. In a hilarious Vinnie Jones performance. I think... Do you mean Juggernaut?
Starting point is 00:10:32 Oh, sorry. Yeah. Colossus is good. I think this guy's fine, actually. Yeah, right. I meant... Yeah, you're right. Yes, the thing that you said.
Starting point is 00:10:39 What do you think of the Vinnie Jones muscle suit, mortar and pestle bowl head? Bad, weird, hate it. And just put in because people wanted the juggernaut because he was a meme at that point, I think. He's the juggernaut bitch. Yeah, precisely, yeah. Yeah, good. There's throw bones out of his wrists guy
Starting point is 00:10:56 who Wolverine fights in the forest. Some sort of riff on the character Marrow. Yeah, I believe so. There's one inch spikes guy who somehow has ingratiated himself in the top tier magneto group of yeah of mutants i mean again if you haven't seen this movie it's a guy whose whole power he's some sort of echidna guy yeah his whole skill is like one inch worth of spikes come out all over his body yeah so he's a lethal combatant if he can get to within one
Starting point is 00:11:22 inch of you and maybe he's cradling you in a in a hug maybe and you're really lean because otherwise if you had a little bit of mass on you he wouldn't get through maybe they're poisoned they don't say that yeah right also he could just have them on his hands there yeah exactly to bring you into a hug does he know yeah so he needs to give you a big hug yeah i presume they're not poisoned and okay because you look at that group that he's got he's got a dude who can manipulate fire. He's obviously Magneto. There's no explanation required. He's a big magnet. Mystique, who loses her powers, but again, amazing mutant.
Starting point is 00:11:53 Picks up the new one that can fly. Not can fly, but can run real fast, like a Quicksilver one. And there's one that can do like- The multiple man is there. Multiple man's amazing. Again, underused. Yep. So one that could be Psylocke. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:02 And then you've got one in Spikeye. Then you've got one in Spikeye. How did he get in there? He just got a few tattoos and went yeah this is a yeah yeah look if i wanted to i could spray these spikes out for hundreds of feet in every direction but i'd save that up so just put me in the inner circle and when it comes to the crunch when all the chips are down when bloody all the x-men are coming to get you and there's no metal so so you're vulnerable, I'm going to do the shoot spikes out from all directions. Don't even worry about it. Don't even worry about it.
Starting point is 00:12:29 And they're probably poisonous. They're definitely probably poisonous. I mean, I'm obviously immune to the poison, so I can do this all day. Yeah. But you'd be poisoned. Yeah. Obviously. But you mentioned, is that person Psylocke or whatever?
Starting point is 00:12:44 There's a lot of, is that person supposed to be the actual version of that character? Yeah. Because there's Trask, who looks nothing like the Trask who shows up in later movies. There's Colossus, who's obviously been recast for Deadpool, but who cares because Deadpool lives in his own space. Moira McTaggart shows up as the Doctor who has Professor X's twin. You don't think it's his twin, but it's his twin. And isn't Rose Byrne. And isn't Rose Byrne.
Starting point is 00:13:04 But that doesn't really matter. There's Angel again. Because the timeline, even though's his twin, but it's his twin. And isn't Rose Byrne. And isn't Rose Byrne. But that doesn't really matter. There's Angel again. Because the timeline, even though they fixed the timeline, it's not fixed. No, for sure. It's always been junk. We've got a video on it if you want to check it out. I think what you said, the X- FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who
Starting point is 00:13:21 play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret. The other, a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Will you rise with the sun to help change mental health care forever?
Starting point is 00:13:42 Join the Sunrise Challenge to raise funds for CAMH, the Center for Addiction and Mental Health to support life-saving progress in mental health care forever? Join the Sunrise Challenge to raise funds for CAMH, the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, to support life-saving progress in mental health care. From May 27th to 31st, people across Canada will rise together and show those living with mental illness and addiction that they're not alone. Help CAMH build a future where no one is left behind. So, who will you rise for? Register today at sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. The explanation for this is, if you sort of remember the last movie, that's all you need to know. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:14:15 If you sort of remember the last one, you go, oh yeah, I remember that actor did this or this character did this. But if you go back one more, you go, but wait a minute, he was torn to pieces in the last movie. Why is he back together? I don't know. You know what? Okay, here's something i do like this yes i really like how they handle where they do briefly handle it that professor x completely fucked it with the dark phoenix thing like he built the mental barriers in her mind and then wolverine's like what are you doing that for me he's like you don't understand i'm i'm up here taking grenades you know what i'm talking about and then he gets his comeuppance i guess because he explodes or whatever you know because the you He's like, you don't understand. I'm up here taking grenades. You know what I'm talking about?
Starting point is 00:14:47 And then he gets his comeuppance, I guess, because he explodes or whatever. Because you reap what you sow. And if you telepathically block a firebird presence from space or maybe not from space, then maybe that person will explode you one day. Absolutely. As the metaphor goes. That's precisely it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:59 James Marsden. It goes around and comes around. That's right. And it's firebirds tearing you to bits. That's right, and comes around. That's right. And it's fire, birds, and terra nida bits. That's right. James Marsden famously left this movie to be made cuck of in another superhero movie. Yes, for sure. I don't like using that word.
Starting point is 00:15:14 But that's what he said. That's a direct quote from him. He said, look, I've had a lot of fun, and it's great working with these people, but I just want to be a cuck in another superhero movie. So, yeah, he gets the love of his life stolen by superman and this it was she was stolen by uh by wolverine although she chooses scott in the end doesn't she or something yeah it doesn't matter and then she explodes him or whatever happens to him it's not important he comes back because of
Starting point is 00:15:36 time travel he does come back but again it's left it's left very ambiguous because it's assumed he's dead in this movie yeah but you never see a body and you never see a flashback. No. You just see his visor. Yeah. Maybe she teleported him somewhere else. We'll never know. He's Oakley's.
Starting point is 00:15:50 Yeah, he's Oakley's. That's right. Yeah, exactly. He's Speed Dealers. But yeah, we never, because we never come back to this timeline, really. Yeah. I mean, he gets undestroyed at the end of Days of Future Past. Yeah, he's back.
Starting point is 00:16:01 But we don't know. With some even speedier Speed Dealers. Yeah, boy, does he. But also, it's at that point we don't know whether the dark phoenix saga happened like which version of it happened yeah but i guess it's this new one that happened yeah right i guess i guess yeah so does that does the final sequence in days of future past side note take place after the events of the new dark phoenix guess. Unless they're all killed, in which case they've broken the timeline again. Good work.
Starting point is 00:16:27 Great stuff. Look, I don't want to make any assumptions. I don't want to assume the worst, but they're going to break the timeline and ruin it again. The last one. It doesn't matter. X-Men Ghost School is never coming out, remember? Yeah, okay, I get it.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Disney are going to bury it. Good. It's got my favorite comic book trope from 2002 to 2013, which is a truck flip. Oh, yeah, so good. They 2013, which is a truck flip. Oh, yeah, so good. They can't stop doing a truck flip. Again, we're just truck and train drivers in this universe. They just have a little handbook next to them. And it says, what happens if you see a guy in front of you on the train tracks
Starting point is 00:16:58 and he's putting his hand up in a threatening manner and you just go through it? You go, okay, well, he's wearing a lot of metal. So maybe he's got magnetic power, so let's go through here. Okay. He's not protected by anything. That's probably some kind of force field situation. Do you think he's an illusion? Is he flickering?
Starting point is 00:17:12 What's going on? Just hit the brakes. Just hit the brakes, yeah. So, yeah, there's a truck flip. It looks good for truck flips, to be fair. Another thing I do think looks good in this is the destruction of Jean Grey's childhood home. Yeah, okay, that does look good. Like it's all kind of shattering and and you know it's shaking and the water's pouring upside down etc and so forth there's a great cowboy switch when wolverine gets thrown
Starting point is 00:17:34 through the roof oh yes and then a stunt actor drops back through the other side oh yes i think it's quite good and i really like the professor x being exploded effect yeah and i think and i think it's also like, I like that character. Yeah, for sure. Despite a lot of these movies. Some of them are good and I like him. And it was, you know, it was two and a half movies in the lead up. It wasn't like, we're just going to blow him up.
Starting point is 00:17:54 It was just, you know. And of course he had been removed from the game in both previous movies. Professor X'd. Professor X'd. But in this one, yeah, you're like, well, okay, he's a good character and he's not always right, but he does, you know, he has, he's a character we can believe in. Yeah. And then bam, dead.
Starting point is 00:18:09 And now he's in all our mouths. Yeah. At $210 million, this was the most expensive movie ever made at the time. I thought you were going to say at 210 minutes. I'm like, wow, this was actually a breeze. This wasn't so bad. Great line is a good line when they move the bridge the bridge from full house which is what i call it yes across that's what they call that's what
Starting point is 00:18:29 the plaque on it says what's the island called they go to the island is it alcatraz it's supposed to be alcatraz it's called the island that you get to from the bridge from full house that's what it's called there's a plaque if you move the bridge if you move the bridge yes if we were to move the bridge i don't think he needed to move the bridge, quite frankly, but he moved the bridge. And he goes, Charles always wanted to build bridges. Terrible line. First of all, you're not building anything. You moved a bridge. You moved a bridge.
Starting point is 00:18:51 If you said, Charles always wanted to move the bridge. What happened is, he moved the bridge, and then all his followers looked up at him, like expecting a big line. And he just sort of made the best of a bad situation. And they all said, there was tepid applause. Yeah, okay. Okay, I guess so, a bad situation. And they all said there was tepid applause. Yeah, okay. Okay.
Starting point is 00:19:05 I guess so, yeah. Bridge. Yeah. You said bridge. There's another bit where Magneto goes, humans and their guns. Because he thinks they've got metal guns. Yes. And they've got plastic guns.
Starting point is 00:19:15 Is he not earlier who's like, Wolverine, I can smell you out of Mantium. You stink to high heavens. You can't tell if somebody's holding a metal gun. You don't know that? Oh, that's a good question. That's all I'm saying. Maybe they were carrying like a whole bunch of fishing weights in their pockets to trick him.
Starting point is 00:19:28 He's like, there seems like there's a lot of metal over there. Yep, get a chance with this line. Oh, no! This is the bit that I remember you talking about at the time that you did, like, the last battle's just generic mutants running in. Oh, yeah. Like, they all can teleport. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:44 And they all have shapeshifting abilities. They all have one-inch spikes. Yeah. They're all like, I'm going to shoot out my spikes any second now. Yeah. And there's some of them which I don't mind that stand out. There's the guy who Wolverine keeps cutting his arms off. Yeah, right. And he's like, come on.
Starting point is 00:19:58 Yeah, right. Come on. And he kicks him in the balls. That's pretty good. That's great stuff. But, yeah, like it didn't. Come on. Yeah, no, I get it. But it's kind of like, yeah, like it didn't... Yeah, I know I get it.
Starting point is 00:20:11 But it's kind of like, yeah, it's like, well, they just had the teleport effect on their computers. And they were like... The bamf. The bamf. A bamf. A bamf. Let's just put in some more bamfs. No, give us... Let's put them all in black leather.
Starting point is 00:20:19 Yeah, that's fine. They haven't run at each other. I mean, they're always in black leather running at each other, aren't they? That's true, yeah. But it's mutant or mutant. And the kid, he's a cure. Is he leech? He's kind of leechish, yes.
Starting point is 00:20:29 Yeah. Great. I like Iceman versus Pyro. Me too. I think it's a good payoff. Me too. To a character, well, both of which were in the first one, but Pyro was played by a different actor. Yes.
Starting point is 00:20:38 Yes. And it was a good payoff, and we finally got the evolution of Iceman into the full kind of comic book man built from ice that we never see again. That's right. So that's pretty great, right? No, I think he does it in Days of Future Past, and then he's melted down or whatever in the future. But yeah, good on you, Iceman. Nice.
Starting point is 00:20:53 And great ice skating on the fly. It is. We all are impressed with you. And your twin brother. Red hot applause. Red hot. What do you think about the Magneto who gets tricked by Wolverine and then he gets stabbed with the the cure and then he's like,
Starting point is 00:21:06 now I'm just like everybody else. What do you think about that? Well, I think, again, I think the plot had to go that way. Yeah. They were like, all right, we've got to have Magneto lose his powers at the end, so let's just. Or does he? I mean, he does.
Starting point is 00:21:19 But he doesn't. But does he? But he. I mean, he does initially. Well, he does initially. But then in the next movie, they're like, well, we need him to have his powers back. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:26 But also, of course, in what is... Well, it's not a post-credits scene. Yes. But he moves the chest bit at the very, very end. As Angel is flying over and people are like, who the fuck is that? He is amazing. I bet his dad's a real uggo.
Starting point is 00:21:38 But that guy, he's got it. What a beaut. Well, actually, the twist there originally was that Magneto, the chest piece was actually made of wood. And it turns out Magneto's powers have evolved. Now he's Woodnito now. Yeah. What about MagWoodo?
Starting point is 00:21:54 Does that work? Yeah, that works as well. The next move is him just deciding on what name to use. Excellent. Big wooden helmet? Yeah. Great. Gene dies.
Starting point is 00:22:03 Yep. And that's fine. And I don't care. All I was thinking the whole time was, how come Wolverine's pants didn't disintegrate? Everything else on his, like his whole X-Men outfit came off and his skin's coming off. Yeah. I can see his metal skeleton underneath. You wanted to see his metal dong underneath.
Starting point is 00:22:17 Yes. Does he have a metal dong? I don't think so. I think he does. I don't think he does. That's one for the ages. I don't think he does. That's one for the ages. I don't think he does. No.
Starting point is 00:22:29 Just to clarify. Yeah. Look, I think this is... Oh, there's a post-credits where Professor X is back. Who cares? Yep. He just is. I think this is fine.
Starting point is 00:22:41 I don't think it's atrocious. No, I don't think it's atrocious either. I think it'd be atrocious now if you released it now. Yeah. Which may be what the new Dark Phoenix... I haven't think it's atrocious. No, I don't think it's atrocious. I think it'd be atrocious now if you released it now, which may be what the new Dark Phoenix, I haven't seen it yet. I bet there's a bloody truck flip or a train flip in it. No, there's no way there's not a train flip. There's a train twirl even.
Starting point is 00:22:56 Oh, wow. Okay, well there you go, mixing it up. They're taking all sorts of different degrees of action. Yeah, what do you think of this though? It's better than Spider-Man 3. It is better than Spider-Man 3. But again, it's a product of its time and it's a superhero movie. I don't know, it just feels like that way of making these movies is gone now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:14 We can't go back to it, I don't think. It feels dated and it feels incomplete and kind of just clunky. Despite being $210 million, it feels cheap in parts a lot of the time. Because I'd imagine a lot of that money went into, well, we've got to get Halle Berry back, so we've got to give her $15 million or whatever. Exactly, yeah. She dropped that Storm accent, didn't she, pretty quickly?
Starting point is 00:23:33 She did, yeah. Yeah. I do like the new Storm wig every movie. I'm like, what kind of wig is Storm going to have this time around? She's a lady of fashion. She's got to have that new wig. I can appreciate that. I'm there for it.
Starting point is 00:23:44 I appreciate it. Yeah. The other thing is, a lot of these movies She's got to have that new wig. I can appreciate that. I'm there for it. I appreciate it. Yeah. The other thing is a lot of these movies, and this is no exception, one of the producers on this is Kevin Feige. And a lot of the mistakes that he saw that these movies made, he then didn't make for the MCU. Yeah, right. So he was there for like a lot of these early days X-Men movies
Starting point is 00:24:02 and Spider-Man movies. Don't hire Bryan Singer. That's right. Don't hire Brett Ratner. Yeah. And obviously that's been carried on, you know, for the 11 years of Marvel movies that they've been as of so far. So, look, even if you hate this,
Starting point is 00:24:13 at least we got better movies as a result because somebody didn't hire Brett Ratner. Very true. For their movies. And that's X-Men first days. Last stand. Last stand. Last Stand. Very confusing.
Starting point is 00:24:28 That wasn't a bit. I genuinely couldn't remember. They should have called it First Last Stand. Yeah. You know what I mean? I bet they just couldn't wait to use those three Wolverine claws in the basis. Oh, my goodness. I bet we'll find out later that X-Men 1 and 2 didn't make any money,
Starting point is 00:24:40 and they're just like, well, we've got to just push it through. Just push 3 through. We want to see the three claws to make the three exactly oh my god and this one isn't making any money but just push it through to x-men 6 we want to see him double fist those claws which one is x-men 6 so the next one's origins are we counting wolverines spin-offs yeah i guess so then i don't know i refuse to think it's origins and then first class and then First Class and then The Wolverine, I want to say. Yeah. Maybe that's...
Starting point is 00:25:06 You could double-clause that on The Wolverine 6. Yeah, and then it stays a future past. That's right. Fantastic. Look, there's been Caravan of Garbage with us every Tuesday. If you've got something you want us to talk about, whether that be a movie or a video or a comic or a TV show, whatever, we'll take a look.
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Starting point is 00:25:29 We'll make fun of it. We didn't like, we used the wrong spacing also. Yeah, wow. Yeah. Looks like somebody didn't have enough words, so they've moved it up to 12.5 font. Hey, look, we've all been there, mate. But I know all these tricks because I did them. I lived them.
Starting point is 00:25:41 Mm-hmm. Yeah. Also, we do videos here every Sunday, Tuesday, and Thursday. And we've got a podcast on the new Dark Phoenix movie from our podcast, The Weekly Planet. Oh, it's going to be so good. Every Monday we talk movies and comics and TV shows. But there's a bunch of episodes on a bunch of comic movies
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