The Why Files: Operation Podcast - 576: Operation Eagle Flight: The Escape from Berlin to Bariloche

Episode Date: December 20, 2024

For decades, a piece of his skull sat in a Russian archive - our most decisive proof that the most evil man of the 20th century died in 1945. When scientists finally tested the bone in 2009, they disc...overed it belonged to a woman under 40. The evidence we trusted for over 60 years was fake. Stalin insisted the dictator escaped to Argentina. The FBI conducted their longest manhunt ever looking for him. Recently, researchers found a military submarine deliberately hidden off Argentina's coast. When asked to investigate, authorities said no. They're still saying no. The truth remains buried in sealed files across three continents. But the bigger question isn't whether he escaped - it's who helped him. Because if history's greatest monster survived, he didn't do it alone. He was protected by a network that reached from Berlin to the Vatican to Argentina -- to Washington D.C.

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Starting point is 00:00:55 In 2022, researchers found a Nazi submarine off Argentina's coast. It was intentionally hidden. When asked to investigate, Argentina said no. They're still saying no. For 32 years, the FBI ran their longest manhunt ever. They were looking for Adolf Hitler. But history says Hitler died in his bunker on April 30th, 1945. Why was the FBI tracking a dead man?
Starting point is 00:01:19 And why was Stalin so convinced Hitler escaped to Argentina? Information is hard to find. Because someone wanted this buried, and they still do. Because accepting Hitler escaped means accepting something far worse. The most evil man in history didn't just survive, he was protected. And not just by Argentina. It's April 1945 and Berlin is in ruins. Hitler and Ava Brown started their escape on April 28th, two days before their alleged deaths.
Starting point is 00:02:02 They slipped through a secret tunnel connecting Hitler's study to the Berlin subway system. A makeshift airstrip was set up, and a Junkers JU-52 transport plane was fueled up and standing by. Junkers? You mean Junkers, north of the city where my cousin Marty lives. Not Junkers, Junkers. It's German.
Starting point is 00:02:20 I still wouldn't trust a plane called a Junker. Junker. What'd I say? The plane took off at 3 a.m., carrying Hitler, Eva, and a few others. Bad weather kept Soviet fighters grounded that night. No radar picked up the flight. It was a clean getaway. Their first stop was Denmark at an old Zeppelin base.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Say, hey, Mom, I said the way you move gonna make you sweat, gonna make you grove. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Ah. Okay. What? Not that Zeppelin. The way you move gonna make you sweat, gonna make you grove. A group of wounded German soldiers gathered near the runway to meet Hitler. Several witnesses reported seeing him there. After refueling, they landed at a Baltic airfield to switch planes. And this plane was special, a long-range aircraft from a secret Luftwaffe unit that had been flying Nazi officials to safety for months. Spain was next. Franco's government, paid in Nazi gold, provided a Spanish Air Force plane for the flight to the Canary Islands. Spain claimed neutrality during the war,
Starting point is 00:03:30 but newly discovered documents proved they were secretly helping the Nazis. They landed at Villa Winter, a fortress built by Germany with one purpose. Escape. It had a massive radio antenna for maintaining contact with Berlin and Buenos Aires. The facility had a runway for large aircraft and a deep harbor perfect for submarines. Three U-boats from the Seawolf Group waited offshore. These weren't combat subs. They were modified for escape.
Starting point is 00:03:59 Hitler boarded U-518, an IXC-class sub. An IXC could run silent on batteries for days. On a full charge, they can cross the Atlantic and back. They were big enough for passengers, supplies, and something else. Medical equipment. And here's our first historical snag. Official Navy records say U-518 was sunk during Operation Teardrop in April 1945. The USS Carter gets credit for the kill
Starting point is 00:04:26 one problem the wreckage was never found not then not now we know the exact coordinates where it was supposedly destroyed and not a speck of it has ever been seen a 250-foot steel boat weighing over 200 tons vanished without a trace. Then a police report from Argentina revealed something impossible. The submarine wasn't lost. It was exactly where it was supposed to be. The report came from Don Luis Mariotti, police commissioner in Necochea, Argentina. His officers caught a German signaling an unidentified vessel offshore.
Starting point is 00:05:20 Under interrogation, the man admitted it was a submarine looking for a safe landing spot. The next morning, Mariotti's men found fresh tire tracks on the beach. Five officers followed them, but were stopped by armed German soldiers. When Mariotti reported this, his superiors ordered him to forget what he saw and release the prisoner. This was dismissed as conspiracy theory until 2022. Argentine researcher Abel Basti found evidence of German U-boats operating along the coast long after the war ended. He found eyewitnesses. He found naval records. He even found the exact coordinates where witnesses said the subs were scuttled.
Starting point is 00:05:55 The government called it fantasy, so Basti got funding and dove the site. They found a modified German submarine exactly where witnesses said it would be, right off the coast, intentionally sunk in shallow water. Argentina's response? Those aren't Nazi subs, they're rock formations. Ah, yes, the U-boat shaped rocks of Argentina. Lovely this time of year. Bosti got a second opinion from researchers in France. Not only was this a sub, it was a Nazi sub. He got a third opinion from the Italians. Not only was it a Nazi sub, it was an IFC-40 U-boat, the exact type witnesses saw carrying Hitler.
Starting point is 00:06:36 The mastermind of Hitler's escape was Martin Bormann, his closest advisor and Nazi party minister during the war. While Germany struggled to achieve victory, Bormann planned for defeat. The Reich would survive, even if Germany fell. In August 1944, he launched Operation Eagle Flight. The plan? Move Nazi wealth out of Germany. Bormann created over 750 front companies across 15 different countries. Swiss banks laundered money through networks stretching from Madrid to Buenos Aires. Patents and technical documents were transferred to foreign subsidiaries.
Starting point is 00:07:07 Art collections were smuggled piece by piece through Spain, and gold was converted to bearer bonds. Oh, hang on, hang on. Bearer bonds? Those are the things that Eddie Murphy found at Beverly Hills Cap. Right. And die hard. Yep.
Starting point is 00:07:20 And leak the weapon. License to kill the goonies. Right. Bearer bonds are like cash. Whoever physically holds the bond, the bearer holds the money. No questions asked. They could be worth $50 or $50 million. No records, no names, completely anonymous. God, the government doesn't like it when it can't track the money. They don't. That's why bearer bonds aren't used much anymore. But before World War II, they were common and legally accepted almost anywhere.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Bormans shipped bonds and assets using diplomatic pouches. Yeah, I gotta stop you again, you... Uh, what pouch? Oh, you've heard of diplomatic immunity? Uh, yeah, from Lethal Weapon 2. Of course. Diplomatic immunity! According to international law, diplomats can't be prosecuted, arrested, or detained for violations of the host country's laws, even for serious crimes.
Starting point is 00:08:10 Their homes, documents, and communications can't be searched or seized. A dip pouch has the same protection. It can be a bag, a box, or even a shipping container. The Vatican was part of Eagle Flight. The Vatican Bank answers to nobody. I cover the Vatican Bank in our episode about Operation Gladio, where the CIA worked with the mafia and the Vatican to create a secret illegal terrorist army.
Starting point is 00:08:31 Gladio, link down in your tickle tote. The Vatican also helped move people. Bishop Alois Hudal provided documentation and safe passage for high-ranking Nazis. The church's rat lines stretched across Europe to South America. And when the church couldn't help, the Red Cross could. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Starting point is 00:08:49 The Red Cross helped Nazis escape? Like the Red Cross? Yep. Next you'll be telling me UNICEF was running weapons. Actually. No way! Different episode. The Nazis had built more than just a refuge in Argentina.
Starting point is 00:09:03 They built a shadow state with its own territory, government, and military. And now the new German state had a leader. They just needed to get him there alive. The next phase of Martin Bormann's escape plan was Operation Land of Fire, create a secret paradise in Patagonia, Argentina. The area was perfect, vast, isolated, and already had a large German population. Juan Perón was the president of Argentina and longtime supporter of Hitler. His government issued thousands of fake passports. Police were ordered to ignore certain ships and trucks moving at night. Local Nazi sympathizers in key positions helped Bormann
Starting point is 00:09:58 create a network of secure estates. Each one shared specific features, remote locations, escape routes, bunkers, and medical facilities specializing in Parkinson's disease. Wait, he had that? He did, but his staff tried hiding it. As the war went on, he was rarely seen in public. Most photos were carefully staged
Starting point is 00:10:17 to avoid showing his trembling left hand. Oh, like FDR. Right. President Roosevelt had polio. He could barely walk. He was always in a wheelchair. But at the time, most Americans didn't know. The press was told to hide his condition. Ah, the media would lie about a president's health. I don't believe it.
Starting point is 00:10:35 What? So soon? The OSS, American Military Intelligence, knew something was happening. They tracked ships leaving Spanish ports. They monitored Swiss bank transfers. They watched German scientists disappear from Europe and reappear in South America. But they missed the big picture. Operation Eagle Flight wasn't just an evacuation plan.
Starting point is 00:10:57 It wasn't just about saving Nazi wealth. It was about building infrastructure, a network of secure facilities managed by loyal supporters. This system was designed to protect someone important, someone specific, someone who needed constant medical care. Then the OSS decoded a message from Borman to Argentina. It was only three words. The package arrives. If it's a flat or a squeal, a wobble or peel,
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Starting point is 00:13:01 You battled krakens and navigated through storms. Your spade struck the lid of a long-lost treasure chest. While you cooked a lasagna. There's more to imagine when you listen. Discover best-selling adventure stories on Audible. The Ancara de Bariloche is hidden in Argentina's Patagonia region. By 1945, it looked like Germany had been dropped into South America. Over 30,000 Germans poured in after the war.
Starting point is 00:13:47 German was the local language. Street signs were in German. Children learned from Nazi textbooks. The FBI tracked millions flowing in from Swiss banks. Spanish buildings were replaced by German. In the mountains, they built something else, an alco. A fortress disguised as a mansion. An alco was a command center. It had underground generators, security quarters, hidden rooms, escape tunnels, and advanced radio equipment.
Starting point is 00:14:15 A watchtower overlooked a concrete bunker. A ramp led to a boathouse hiding a seaplane. His staff was carefully chosen. Dr. Otto Lehmann, Parkinson's specialist. Einrich Bethe, former U-boat commander, was security chief. Both worked directly for Hitler before the war. The area was crawling with Nazi fugitives living in plain sight. Eric Friedka, who massacred 335 Italians, ran a deli in town.
Starting point is 00:14:42 He was caught by ABC News in 1994. You were just following orders? Yes, of course, yes. But I didn't shot anybody. He actually denied that he had shot anyone personally. But we had papers from a British prisoner of war camp where he had admitted shooting two people. Adolf Eichmann lived nearby before moving to Buenos Aires. Mossad captured him in 1960.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Josef Mengele, the infamous angel of death, lived in the town for a while. He was never caught. Catalina Gomero was a maid for wealthy Nazi sympathizers. She said Hitler stayed at their estate. She was told to never repeat what she saw. Sí, tuvo tres días. Yo sí. Eso yo porque mismo los choferes y todo. El padre y Mónica también. Pero nosotros teníamos que callarnos la boca.
Starting point is 00:15:31 O perdíamos el trabajo. Y después lo agarré a Luis y yo. Y le digo, ché Luis, callate, me dice, no digas nada. Ahí había fotos de él. Y uno, por más que no tenga vida. A hotel owner reported serving an elderly gentleman with a distinctive mustache in 1953. A local boy saw the same man walking in Alcoa's grounds at night. A housekeeper cleaned a study filled with maps and German military photos. For years, Hitler lived quietly at Alalka with Eva and their daughter.
Starting point is 00:16:07 But his marriage was failing and his health declining. Then in 1955, everything changed. Argentina's government was overthrown. Juan Perón fled the country. Without his protection, Hitler had to run again. But his past was about to catch up with him. Without Peron's protection, Hitler moved deeper into hiding at Leclerc Estate. But even here, witnesses kept seeing him.
Starting point is 00:16:46 A farmer described an elderly man with a trembling left arm being helped along a mountain path. A shopkeeper recalled a German customer who used a cane and spoke with a slurred Austrian accent. This was all a conspiracy theory. Then in 2017, everything changed. Remember those JFK files that went public? Yeah, I remember. They still held back the good stuff. They did. But buried in those files was something that wasn't supposed to be there. A CIA memo from 1955. CIA Melody 3 was contacted on 29th of September, 1955,
Starting point is 00:17:15 by a trusted friend who served under his command in Europe and who is presently residing in Maracaibo. CIA Melody 3 preferred not to reveal the identity of his friend. C.I. Melody III's friend stated that during the latter part of September 1955, Philip Citrin, former German SS trooper, stated to him confidentially that Adolf Hitler is still alive. Um, this is important. Oh, there's more. The memo included a photo.
Starting point is 00:17:45 What? Hitler left Colombia for Argentina around January 1955. Citrin commented that in as much as 10 years have passed since the end of World War II, the Allies could no longer prosecute Hitler as a criminal of war. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What happened next? The station chief said he would investigate if CIA wanted him to. Oh, what'd they find?
Starting point is 00:18:11 Nothing. They said, don't bother, it was a waste of resources. Oh, tracking down the most evil man alive is a waste of resources. Apparently so. The CIA picked a strange time to suddenly become budget conscious. Maybe not so strange. What do you mean? The eyewitness accounts go on and on.
Starting point is 00:18:29 For not unseen, a local carpenter saw him at least five times. Vino ahí, venía al edificio a hablar con Pavelic. Venía caminando con los tres guardaespaldas y la señora. Prácticamente lo traían caminando, que apenas caminaba él. ¿Tenía la misma pinta? Era la misma, blanco, pelo corto, tipo militar, cortado, sin bigote. Bueno, ahí estuve yo conversando, me invitaron a sentarme en la mesa, me convidó la señora de Pavelich con un café. Hitler estaba tomando café con alguna bebida más con Pavelich.
Starting point is 00:19:21 Y yo ahí le conté. Entonces Pavelich le dice a Hitler, es el carpintero, dice que me hace la carpintería en el edificio. Entonces Hitler me miró y me hizo una reverencia así, en esta forma. Un saludo, ¿no? Más cerca de él. Estuve tomando café, inclusive. ¿Está convencido que era Hitler? Sí, sí, yes. Local records track shipments of Hitler's medications. Then morphine delivery started. His health was failing fast. Security tightened.
Starting point is 00:19:57 No visitors were allowed past the main gate. Deliveries stopped half a mile from the house. Eva Brown took their daughter and left. By 1961, he rarely left his room. His mind was unraveling. Staff heard him talking to himself for hours. The next day at 3 p.m., Hitler died. He was 72 years old.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Dr. Lehmann's final diary entry read, I fear I've outlived my usefulness. It was the last anyone ever saw of Otto Lehmann. After Hitler's death, the Nazi paradise in Argentina began to crumble. But that's not the real story. The truth is far worse. Argentina wasn't the country who protected the most Nazis. That was us.
Starting point is 00:20:39 The United States didn't just defeat the Nazis, we absorbed them. If it's a flat or a squeal, a wobble or peel, your tread's worn down or you need a new wheel, wherever you go, you can get it from our tread experts. Until May 30th, purchase four new Michelin passenger or light truck tires and receive up to $70 by prepaid MasterCard. Conditions apply. Details at Michelin.ca. Find a Michelin tread experts dealer near you at treadexperts.ca slash locations.
Starting point is 00:21:07 From tires to auto repair, we're always there. TreadExperts.ca You sailed beyond the horizon in search of an island scrubbed from every map. You battled krakens and navigated through storms.
Starting point is 00:21:26 Your spade struck the lid of a long-lost treasure chest. While you cooked a lasagna. There's more to imagine when you listen. Discover best-selling adventure stories on Audible. Eli Rosenbaum and Mike McQueen worked for the Justice Department, the Office of Special Investigation on the Nazis. In 1994, they investigated a possible Nazi living in Boston working at a camera repair shop. The suspect turned out to be Alexandros Lalikis.
Starting point is 00:22:12 Lalikis ran the Lithuanian security police, directly responsible for sending thousands of Jews to their deaths. The CIA recruited him in 1952 to spy in East Germany. Then they helped him move to America and hid his war crimes from immigration. When OSI tried to bring charges, the CIA resisted, even though they knew exactly what he'd done. But as the investigation continued, they found something worse than a Nazi in hiding.
Starting point is 00:22:37 They found a network of Nazis recruited by and paid by the CIA. Thousands of them. Author of a new book that unveils the secret history of how America became a safe haven for thousands of Nazi war criminals. Many of them were brought here after World War II by the CIA and got support from FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover.
Starting point is 00:22:57 The thinking was that no one hated the Soviets more than the Nazis. And American intelligence gurus like J. Edgar Hoover at the FBI and Alan Dulles at the CIA wanted to put that hatred and that vitriol and that expertise against the Soviets to work by anointing the ex-Nazi spies
Starting point is 00:23:14 as American spies, Cold War spies and informants. The CIA and FBI had been protecting some of the most evil men in history for years. Otto von Bolschving was a successful California businessman. He was also Adolf Eichmann's mentor in implementing anti-Jewish programs.
Starting point is 00:23:32 When Israel captured Eichmann in 1960, the CIA helped von Bolschving avoid exposure. And so they came. Thousands of Nazi collaborators scattered across America, in Queens, in Boston, in Baltimore, in Washington, in Chicago, in Los Angeles. Klaus Barbie was called the Butcher of Lyon for torturing members of the French resistance. When France tried extraditing him for war crimes, the CIA refused. His anti-communist intelligence work was more important than justice for his victims. France pressed, so the CIA then helped him escape to Bolivia. Operation Paperclip brought in some of the world's most brilliant scientists and engineers. They also happened to be vicious war criminals. Kurt DeBusse, Arthur Rudolph,
Starting point is 00:24:20 Herbert Rees, Walter Dornberger, Herman Oberth, George Rickey, Conrad Donenberger, Ernst Stollinger, and Wernher von Braun became the backbone of NASA. They got America to the moon by converting their V-2 rocket from a weapon into the Saturn V spacecraft. The V-2 was built with slave labor from concentration camps. 20,000 innocent people were worked to death to build those rockets. Anyone who complained was hung in the factory. The factory was run by those nine men and others. They said they didn't know. Arthur Rudolph received the American Distinguished Service Medal while the military buried his past.
Starting point is 00:24:57 When investigators finally caught up with him, he fled to Germany. Oberthes Strughold is known as the father of space medicine. He helped astronauts prepare for space flight. In Germany, he conducted experiments on children. He put them in vacuum chambers to simulate the effects of high-altitude sickness such as hypoxia. So you see him here on the right with a flight simulator that he set up in Texas. He also had a flight simulator not unlike this in Dachau during the war at the concentration camp. That was where they would put children and subject them to far greater levels of pressure and gravitational pull to the point that many of them died.
Starting point is 00:25:34 He was on the U.S. military's list of war criminals since 1945, but his background was hidden until after his death. Siegfried Rook worked with him. After he was acquitted at Nuremberg, the U.S. Army hired him. Eric Schraub ran the Nazi bioweapons program and reported directly to Himmler. The U.S. Army recruited him to research bioweapons. I have an episode that might prove Lyme disease
Starting point is 00:25:57 is actually a U.S. bioweapons accident. Killer insects linked down in a stash can. Walter Streber, Kurt Blom, Theodore Benziger, Otto Ambrose, and Friedrich Hoffman were chemists and scientists, all connected with slave labor and experimenting on prisoners. All were recruited and protected by the CIA. And the list goes on and on, but I won't make you suffer while I try to pronounce German names. America recruited over 1,600 Nazi scientists after the war.
Starting point is 00:26:25 But they didn't just help scientists escape, they helped everyone escape. War criminals, SS officers, concentration camp guards. They created new identities. They destroyed records. They buried evidence. At least 10,000 Nazis found refuge in America through CIA and FBI protection.
Starting point is 00:26:45 And these were just the ones we know about. In 1998, the CIA admitted destroying thousands of files related to Nazi recruitment. They claimed it was routine file maintenance. Investigators found shredding orders dated just days after Congress requested the documents. A lot of document requests came back with destroyed and fire. Thousands of Nazi war criminals died peacefully in American suburbs. The agencies meant to protect us actually protected them. And they hid this from us until legislation forced them to declassify their files.
Starting point is 00:27:21 You know, there were so many things that occurred to me at the time. Well, why did this happen? Why did the government allow them to come here? Who was responsible for this? But I said to myself, the most important thing now is to find out how many Nazis there are and bring them to justice. We can find out the history later. And the files showed that things are even worse. It always gets worse. There was something that made Hitler's escape look trivial. Operation Sunrise.
Starting point is 00:27:51 While America publicly fought the Nazis, Alan Dulles, future head of the CIA, was secretly negotiating with SS General Karl Wolf to protect key Nazi officials. While American soldiers were giving their lives to liberate Europe, Dulles and Wolff sat by the fire, drank scotch, and conspired in German. Whoa, Dulles was speaking German?
Starting point is 00:28:11 To a Nazi? During a war? He was. And there's a reason for that. If you want a full episode on Alan Dulles and his brother, let me know. But let me know fast before they delete this channel. Or delete you. Right. So, Hitler died in his bunker. That's history.
Starting point is 00:28:27 But history is written by the victors. The true history of World War II was written before the war even ended. Society enforces an unspoken rule. Hitler died in that bunker. Period. Question this and you'll face immediate hostility. You're a crazy conspiracy theorist. We can't even ask questions about his escape because the alternative is unthinkable. If the most evil man in history got away, what else did we get wrong?
Starting point is 00:29:04 In 1945, Stalin said he escaped to argentina with the help of the united states now that's unacceptable to the american public stalin was spreading misinformation the us said hitler was dead but american intelligence wasn't so sure a few years ago over 700 pages of fbi files were declassified, the FBI had a special task force especially created to find Hitler. The lead agent believed he was alive, but still in Europe, not Argentina. Now, most of those sightings were debunked,
Starting point is 00:29:34 but not all. The truth is there's no hard evidence that Hitler died in the bunker. The mainstream narrative says there is evidence, but that's not quite true. At the end of the war, the Soviets said they found Hitler's body. Then Stalin gave orders. The narrative says there is evidence, but that's not quite true. At the end of the war, the Soviets said they found Hitler's body. Then Stalin gave orders.
Starting point is 00:29:49 He escaped to Argentina. Their story kept changing. For years, nobody really knew. In 1968, the Soviets finally claimed to have his complete body, but then they said they had just fragments of his skull. In 2009, the Russian government finally allowed DNA testing of the alleged skull fragment they'd held for decades. It belonged to a woman under 40.
Starting point is 00:30:10 Oh, no. The Russians have a section of his jawbone, they say. Show them a picture of the choppers. Let's see the choppers. No. If you want to see that, you can find plenty of pictures online. If I show those teeth, this video is going to be demonetized and buried. Oh, you're way past that, Chief.
Starting point is 00:30:25 This episode is never going to see the light of day. Probably. Anyway, they say the teeth match Hitler's dental records. Great. Let's see the records. They disappeared. New evidence came from dental records drawn from a dental hygienist's memory. Years later, x-rays appeared. What's the truth?
Starting point is 00:30:42 Let's DNA test the teeth and see if they come from the same head. Can't. They're too badly burned, they say. Yeah, but we can try. Nah. After the Russians were embarrassed in 2009, they stopped cooperating. They got Hitler, and that's that. Their files are sealed. Argentina's
Starting point is 00:30:58 files are sealed. Most of America's files are still sealed. At least the ones they didn't shred or burn. Now, I'm not making the case that Hitler escaped. I gave you a lot of information today and there are links below to more you decide for yourself and i'm not judging whether operation paperclip was justified maybe saving 10 000 nazis save more american lives because they provided vital intelligence maybe they saved lives with their scientific contributions maybe i can't make that judgment. But the victims of Nazi war crimes and their families
Starting point is 00:31:27 can make that judgment. Either way, we should be allowed to know the full truth of what happened after the war. For example, we know the Allies liberated concentration camps.
Starting point is 00:31:36 But we have this image of soldiers opening the gates and happy prisoners running out and hugging them. That's not what happened. Oh, no. There was nowhere to put displaced persons, as they were called,
Starting point is 00:31:48 so they had to stay there. But now the same Germans who guarded them were prisoners in there with them. In some cases, they were forced to bunk together. General Patton, old blood and guts himself, appointed former SS officers to oversee the camps. He felt they were most qualified for maintaining order and administration. He respected the Nazis more than he did the camps. He felt they were most qualified for maintaining order and administration.
Starting point is 00:32:06 He respected the Nazis more than he did the Jews. A lot more, if you read up on it. But you won't find much about his anti-Semitism in the books and movies about him. When Eisenhower found out what he was doing, Patton was transferred, essentially demotioned to a paperwork position. So is Patton a hero or a villain?
Starting point is 00:32:22 Or is the answer more gray? We can't really answer these questions unless we have the full truth. You must remember that in 1969, in 1950s and 1960s, J. Edgar Hoover was probably the most powerful man in Washington. No president could ask him to retire. No congressional committee, no Senate committee could ever hold him truly accountable for what he was doing with the FBI and its dirty tricks. Dulles was one of the intelligence titans of the 1950s, one of the original Cold Warriors.
Starting point is 00:33:00 And he was someone who believed that there were, quote-unquote, moderate Nazis, his words, who the U.S. could use to its advantage in the Cold War. He actively recruited them himself and, in a number of cases, intervened on their behalf when they were facing accusations about their past, about their involvement in Nazi war crimes. And he and J. Edgar Hoover were really the two lynchpins in this, in developing this strategy of recruiting ex-Nazis as cold warriors, as anti-Soviet assets. I love my country, and I always will. But to love something requires knowing the full truth of it. We deserve to know the full truth of American-Nazi cooperation. But we're not allowed
Starting point is 00:33:45 to ask about Patton, about the CIA, or about Hitler. That's why this story stays buried. That's why theories are ridiculed. And that's why videos like this are demonetized and hidden. Because investigating Hitler's escape might reveal something ugly about the American military and intelligence agencies. That evil didn't die in that bunker. It just changed uniforms. Thank you so much for hanging out today. My name is AJ. There's Hecklefish. Oh, we're still here?
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Starting point is 00:36:25 roll with an iron fist and stick right in this mug there or drink a delicious beverage of your choice. It's none of my concern. Or grab a hoodie or one of these squeezy, no not yet with the squeezy. First we gotta talk about these creepy U2's voodoo dolls and then we can talk about
Starting point is 00:36:41 the squeezy animal stuck stuffing, oh my goodness hey can i do this one again and the stuffed heck of a squeezy toy those are the plugs whoo that's gonna do it until next time be safe be kind another you are appreciated I play Philippians and Area 51 A secret code inside the Bible said I was I love my UFOs and paranormal fun As well as music So I'm singing like I should
Starting point is 00:37:32 But then another conspiracy theory Becomes the truth, my friends And it never ends No, it never ends I fear the crabcat I got stuck inside Mel's home With MKUltra being only two away Did Stanley Kubrick fake the moon landing alone On a film set, or were the shadow people there? The Roswell aliens just fought the smiling man
Starting point is 00:38:14 I'm told, and his name was cold And I can't believe, I'm dancing with the fishes Had to fish on Thursday nights with AJ too And the wild boars love to beat all through the night All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth So the wild boars love to beat all through the night The Mothman sightings and the solar storm Still come to a god The secret city underground
Starting point is 00:39:06 Mysterious number stations Planet Serpo 2 Project Stargate And where the dark watchers found In a simulation Don't you worry though The black knight said a lie He told me so
Starting point is 00:39:24 I can't believe I'm dancing with the fish The black knight said a lot, he told me so I can't believe I'm dancing with the fish Heckle fish on Thursday nights when they chase you And the wild boars love me beat all through the night All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth So the wild boars love to beat all through the night Can't go fish on Thursday, next Wednesday, J2 And wild birds love to beat all through the night
Starting point is 00:39:57 Oh, yeah, but why did what you just hear the truth So the wild birds love her feet All through the night Gertie loves to dance Gertie loves to dance Gertie loves to dance Gertie loves to dance Gertie loves to dance Gertie loves to dance
Starting point is 00:40:21 Gertie loves to dance On the dance floor Because she is a camel Camels loves to dance on the dance floor Because she is a camel And camels love to dance When the feeling is right Always in time Gertie loves to dance Gertie loves to dance Bye.

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