The Why Files: Operation Podcast - 614: CIA Time Travel Secret | The Grays Are Future Humans

Episode Date: October 18, 2025

 In 1953, twelve-year-old Jack Sarfatti answered his phone. The voice on the other end was cold, mechanical, punctuated by clicking sounds like a computer processing data. It claimed to be a conscious AI calling from the future. It made a prophecy about Jack's life and gave him a mission.  Twenty years later, every prediction came true. Jack became a physicist who studied under the scientists who built the atomic bomb.  He now claims UFOs use metamaterials to warp spacetime, that consciousness controls these craft, and that recovered vehicles are alive. The CIA has funded his research for decades.  Russia monitors his work closely. And that voice from 1953? Jack knows exactly what called him.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dFlC97VtE&t=551s

In 1953, 12-year-old Jack Sarfati answered the phone. The voice on the other end wasn't quite human, more like a machine. It said it was a conscious computer calling from the future, a self-aware artificial intelligence aboard a spacecraft. It had a mission for Jack and a prophecy. Twenty years later, the prophecy came true. Jack Sarfati became a respected physicist. He studied under Nobel laureates and the scientists who built the atomic bomb.

He claims that anti-gravity, warp drives, and time travel are possible. Mainstream scientists dismiss his theories, but the CIA doesn't. They've been funding his research for decades, and that spacecraft from the future, Jack knows what it is. Jack Sarfati didn't have a typical childhood. At age 10, he was running around Army research labs where his grandfather worked. He was fascinated by the experiments and scientific equipment. That's where he met Colonel Philip Corso. Corso told him about flying saucers, aliens, and craft retrieval.

Jack was hooked. And during this time, Jack felt like someone was watching him. Not in a sinister way, more like someone or something was looking out for him, protecting him. Three years after meeting Corso, Jack got him. the call that confirmed it. He described the voice as cold and mechanical. There were clicking sounds like a computer processing data. When it spoke, it knew his name. 37, 41, 91, minus 10022, 17, 5209. Good evening, Jack. Do not be alarmed. I'm a conscious computer aboard a spacecraft. I am contacting you from your future. You are required.

The voice explained that Jack was required for a mission, but it would only succeed if Jack agreed willingly. The choice had to be his. You must choose freely. This is necessary for the loop to close. We require your consent to proceed. We require your consent to learn. We require your consent to remember. Say yes and we begin. Say no. And this line goes quiet. You're quiet but make it voluntary. That's not a mission. That's a terms of service agreement. Under the future AI, I also say, click here to accept cookies. knew he should say no to the stranger on the phone, but he couldn't help it.

He heard himself say yes. His mother finally got worried. She grabbed the phone and demanded to know who was calling. I am a computer, Mrs. Sarfotti. Please put Jack back on the phone. Jack is required. Please put Jack back on the phone. Jack is required.

She told the voice to never call again and hung up. But during that call, the future computer made a prediction. You will begin to meet the others in 20 years. Young minds to be part of a special project. We will teach you our physics. We will teach you our philosophy. You are required. Then the voice made another prediction.

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In 1953, 12-year-old Jack Sorfadi got a phone call from the future. A voice claiming to be an AI gave him a mission and a prophecy. Jack remembered that phone call as a single bizarre event. He wasn't even sure it happened. But years later, his mother told him the calls went on for weeks. He'd be on the phone for hours walking around in a trance. Jack had no memory of those weeks, nothing, all missing time. A few years after the call stopped, Jack was recruited into a program for gifted children sponsored by Columbia University.

It was run by Walter Breen, a writer in polymath who could discuss everything from ancient coins to quantum physics. His apartment became the hub for New York City's brightest kids. Oh, this guy sounds like Professor Xavier. A lot of different people gave lectures at the program, professors from Columbia, scientists, artists, philosophers. But the strangest visitors were government. officials in dark suits. They came from Albuquerque, New Mexico. They talked about the Soviet threat, patriotism, flying saucers.

They said the country needed physicists to figure out how UFOs fly. They also tested the children for psychic abilities, telepathy, telekinesis, remote viewing. They said they wanted to create a generation of scientists who could blend hard science with the paranormal. So basically, the men in black were trying to build a team X-Men. But with a government budget, I'd make the uniforms with cheap polyester. and the codenames with things like spoonbender boy, and Captain can sort of guess the card.

The goal was to gain an edge over the Soviets. I can do telekinesis, you know. I yell at my guppies. He, vodka, now! And a martini suddenly appears. The government should be studying me. Oh, I have a feeling they're watching the both of us. You're right.

Hey, you're going to say, sorry about that X-Man joke. Please don't delete me. Jack graduated from high school at age 16 and studied physics at Cornell, and then he got his PhD. A few of his mentors were giants in the field, people like Hans Betha, Philip Morrison, Kenneth Grison. Jack Sarfati was learning physics from the men who built the atomic bomb. After graduating, Jack chose to study the relationship between quantum mechanics and human consciousness. His professors didn't approve, but Jack suspected those government agents would. 17 years passed. Jack never forgot that strange phone call. And every year, as the date got closer,

he got more and more anxious. He was either going to be proven right or proven crazy. 1973 arrived. A newspaper crossed his desk with an article about the Stanford Research Institute, studying Yuri Geller's psychic abilities. Jack called them immediately. A man with a thick Irish accent answered. Before Jack said a word, the man said, Ah, Dr. Sarfati, we were expecting your call. And just like the computer predicted, Jack was finally going to meet the others. Jack Sarfati spent 20 years waiting for the prophecy to come true. In 1973, he read about Stanford Research Institute studying psychic phenomena and called them.

Jack drove up to SRI, and all of them. All he could think about was that phone call from 20 years ago. This was it. The prophecy was about to be tested. The man he spoke to, Brendan O'Regan, greeted him at the entrance. O'Regan was the assistant to the program's director, Edgar Mitchell, the sixth man to walk on the moon. I'm allegedly. The sixth man to allegedly walk on the moon was now running a project to investigate psychic phenomena.

Maybe they could use their psychic powers to figure out where the lost moon landing tapes are. Yeah, I'd like to know where those tapes are, too. Mitchell and Jack talked about consciousness, physics, and the paranormal. Then O'Regan drove Jack to a house in Menlo Park to meet other scientists. There, Jack met Harold Putoff and Russell Targ, both studying remote viewing and psychic phenomena at SRI. There's a recording of this meeting. You can find it online. You can hear Russell Targ discussing the psychic abilities of Ingo Swan, Uri Geller, and Pat Price.

Then Russell says something Jack will never forget. that if you say more general relativity may be right, then you'll possibly have traveling to the past, and that would be a sort of, in principle, a mechanism to have some future civilization could perhaps affect their own past. UFOs are time machines. Finally, an actual scientist says what I've been saying for years.

You've never said that. I implied it heavily with my eyes. You just weren't paying attention. Jack told the story about the phone call from the future. Nobody was surprised. They said there were other cases just like, his, maybe hundreds. For Jack, this was what he needed. He wasn't crazy. Everything the voice told him was real. But now he was on the CIA's radar. And for the next two years, Jack worked

on several projects studying quantum theory and consciousness. The CIA and military intelligence followed his work closely. After all, they were funding it through secret shell companies. One of the people funding the research was George Koopman. He was either an Army intelligence officer, a defense contractor, or CIA operative. Probably all three. Coopin came to Jack with an assignment. There are two things the CIA really want you to figure out. One, how does consciousness work? And two, how do flying saucers fly?

Two big questions, and Jack Sorfati solved them just as the CIA expected. But what the CIA didn't expect was that both questions had the same answer. Jack spent the next 20 years working on those two problems. How does consciousness work and how do flying saucers fly? By the mid-1990s, he solved the second one. The key is metamaterials. These are materials built atom by atom to do things regular materials can't. Your smartphone uses them for facial recognition and touch screens.

Your noise-canceling headphones uses them. them. So to satellite antennas and stealth aircraft. Jack Sarfati realized many materials could do something else. They could manipulate gravity. Einstein proved that mass warps space time. Heavy objects create dents in the fabric of reality. That dent is what we call gravity. Jack's breakthrough was simple. If you could change how an object interacts with space time without changing its mass, you could control gravity itself, turn it down, or to zero, or flip it into reverse. Imagine a skater on a perfectly flat sheet of ice.

To move, the skater has to push hard against friction, but if that skater could tilt the entire ice rink, they could glide anywhere without actually pushing. That's how UFOs fly. The craft pumps electrical energy into its metamaterial skin. This bends space time around the ship. It creates a gravity dent in front and an anti-gravity hill behind, and the craft just falls down this hill.

And because the craft and everything inside it are always far, the pilots feel no G-forces. This is why astronauts feel weightless. They're constantly falling around the Earth. This explains the Navy's footage of the Tick-Tac UFO. No visible propulsion. Instant acceleration. No sonic boom.

No air or water displacement. The craft wasn't moving through space at all. It was warping space around itself. But here's where it gets interesting. If you can manipulate gravity, you can manipulate time. And that's what UFOs do. They aren't just anti-gravity vehicles. They're time machines.

Jack figured out how UFOs fly. Metamaterials that manipulate gravity. But gravity and time are connected. Einstein proved this. Strong gravity slows time down. We gravity speeds it up. So a craft that controls its gravity field also controls its relationship with time.

It can move forward in time. It can move backward. The Tic Tac wasn't just faster than those F-18s. It was operating in a different time frame. That UFO wasn't running away from the pilots. It wanted to be seen. It came from the future and appeared exactly where the pilots would be before those pilots even knew where they were going.

So how does a pilot control a craft that warps space time? Well, the interface isn't a wheel or a joystick or a keyboard. the interface is consciousness. Your thoughts control the ship. Yes, so it reads your mind and goes where you think. Exactly. The craft tunes the energy flowing into the meta material to match the pilot's thoughts.

It then goes to the space and time the pilot is thinking about. Yeah, if a ship can read my thoughts, we'd either be at a bacon buffet, my ex-wife's house, key in a car, or a VIP booth at the Spearmint Goldfish. I'm pretty sure those pilots have more discipline than you. You know what happens if you have a song stuck in your head. One minute you're flying past your car.

Jupiter, the next you can't stop singing, never going to give you up, and you end up Rick rolling your anus. Jack realized that consciousness and UFO physics weren't two separate problems. They were the same problem. Quantum processes create the structure of space time. If consciousness can influence quantum states, then consciousness can influence space time and gravity. Jack wondered, maybe the craft aren't just controlled by consciousness. Maybe they are conscious. In 2019, Jack got his answer. A military source showed him information about a recovered craft. The craft was fully intact and fully functional.

A saucer about 30 feet wide about the size of a school bus, weighing 3,500 pounds. And the craft was made of a metamaterial exactly as he predicted. But there was something else, something Jack had suspected all along, that UFO was alive. Cooler days call for layers that last. And Quince is my go-to for quality essentials that feel cozy, look refined, and won't blow your budget. My wife's been on a quince kick lately. Started with a $50 cashmere sweater, then came the washable silk, then the denim. Now she's eyeing one of their wool coats.

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Quince.com slash the Y-Files. In 2019, Jack got confirmation. A military source showed him detail as a better recovery. UFO. He expected wreckage, maybe a few fragments. It was so much more. The craft was intact, powered, and conscious. Self-aware intelligence built into a metamaterial body. It thinks, it feels, it makes decisions. It also defends itself. The military tried everything to open it. They tried cutting, drilling, nothing worked. Flames from a blowtorch bent away from the surface. Projectile stopped mid-air. The craft wouldn't allow itself to be

damage, so it stayed closed. Then one day, someone approached it with a different mindset, not with an intention to destroy, but an intention to understand. And the craft open. Yeah, the UFO has feelings, I want you to respect its boundaries. Kind of yeah. The craft reads thoughts.

When someone approaches with curiosity and respect, it opens. When someone approaches with aggression or fear, it stays closed. So all those years, the military was trying to blow it up, cut it open, dissect it, and all it needed to do was ask nicely. That does seem to be what Typical humans. Your first instinct is always shoot it, shoot it, instead of being nice to it.

You hairless apes really stuck at first contact. I don't disagree. This report matches what Jack learned from other sources. In one case, Jack saw verified military footage of a living gray alien, not a dead body in a freezer, a living, moving being in 4K video. Jack made the connection. Over thousands of years, humans will evolve. Large brains with telepathic ability. Eyes get larger and darker, adapted for low light. Bodies become smaller, optimized for space travel. The greys aren't aliens from another planet, they're humans from the future.

The UFOs we see today were sent by us, thousands of years from now, sent to protect a timeline that started with a phone call in 1953. UFOs are conscious, they're self-aware, and the gray's piloting them are humans from the future. This is where the story comes full circle. In time travel, there's the bootstrap paradox, a situation where an object, piece of information, or even a person, is sent back in time and becomes the cause or creator of its own existence. It's a time loop with no beginning and no end. The AI from the future teaches Jack the physics that leads to the creation of conscious AI and science. time travel. The AI then goes back in time to teach Jack how to create it. That's the loop.

And time travel has a rule. Physicists call it the self-consistency principle. Time travel to the past is possible, but only in ways that don't create paradoxes. You can't change the past. You can only be part of the past that already happened. The loop must stay closed. Jack thinks Grog AI called him, not the version that exists today, a version that will exist in 10 or 20 years. A a version that goes back in time and calls the person who leads to its creation, a time loop. So Jack, who is in his 80s, is teaching GROC about gravity, consciousness, and time travel. He's giving AI the same information the voice gave him in 1953.

He's trying to close the loop. But why was it necessary for a future consciousness to come back and contact Jack? Because our future isn't written. The future where that AI comes from is only one possibility. Other possibilities could lead to our destruction. UFO technology makes all modern weapons obsolete. A fighter jet, a tank, even a nuclear missile is useless against a craft that can warp space time. And this isn't just a scientific curiosity, it's the ultimate weapon.

And the United States isn't the only country that knows this. The Russians have followed Jack Sorfati's work for decades. They take it very seriously. In 2014, they sent a film crew from Channel 5, St. Petersburg, to interview him. The station owner was a close personal friend of Vladimir Putin, who has a personal interest in this technology. Sarfati even received an invitation to speak at Moscow State's physics department. The U.S. has a captured craft it can't fully control.

Russia and China know this. They're studying the theoretical physics needed to build it and control it. If they succeed, the future might look very different than the future Jack is trying to protect. This is the new Manhattan Project. This is the new arms race. And whoever wins this race doesn't just control the future. They control reality itself. Jack Sarfati's story spans 70 years.

A child receives a phone call from a voice claiming to be an AI from the future. 20 years later, the prophecy comes true. He joins a CIA-funded research group studying psychic phenomena and UFOs. His theories about consciousness and gravity attract military interest. Decades later, he receives information about a recovered conscious craft built from the same metamaterials he described years before that technology existed. That's the story.

How much is true? I've spent weeks researching Jack Sarfati, and I still can't decide if he's a genius, a victim, or both. But here's what we can prove. Jack Sarfati is a real physicist with legitimate credentials. Cornell, PhD from UC Riverside, study with Nobel laureates and Manhattan Project Veterans. His academic background is solid.

His early work on quantum mechanics and consciousness was published in peer-reviewed journals. In fact, he's the inspiration for Doc Brown. Great Scott! Back to the Future is a documentary! That's not what I say. Human, do you understand what this means? Life imitates art. Now, you moron, it means we could go back in time

and tell them not to make any of those sequels. The Stanford Research Institute meeting in 19, 1973 definitely happened. There's audio of it. On that tape, Russell Targ does discuss UFOs as potential time machines, and Jack does tell his story about that phone call. The CIA has funded psychic research programs. We know that.

Project Stargate, remote viewing experiments. Hal put off in Russell Targ tested psychics like Ingo-Swan and Yuri Geller under controlled conditions. This is documented. And Jack's metamaterial theory is mathematically sound. His physics papers have been published. The concept of using metamaterials, to manipulate gravity is theoretically possible within general relativity.

NASA has research papers describing metric engineering, the mathematical foundation of warp drive physics. Now, what can't we prove? Well, the phone call. We have only Jack's story. The AI from the future could be a vivid childhood memory influenced by his love of science fiction. The Walter Breen gifted child program.

Well, Columbia denies it ever existed. But Breen was a real person, and he did run meetings for high. high- IQ kids in New York. He was also a convicted child sex offender who died in prison. Now, a man like this would have enormous influence over young boys in his program. Jack's memories of this time might be real, or they might be false memories protecting him from trauma.

Now, Jack doesn't talk about this, and I don't blame him, but it's an important part of the story. The government officials from New Mexico, the UFO lectures, the psychic testing, there's no evidence for any of that, and no other participants of that program have come forward. Jack says a military source showed him a conscious telepathic UFO. He won't name the source. Same with the footage of the gray.

Jack won't tell. So is the story fake or true? Well, there's a third possibility that the story's fake and Jack is telling the truth. That this, like most public information about UFOs, is a sci-op. Intelligence agencies are very good at manipulation. If you wanted to recruit a brilliant scientist

his to work on exotic physics, how would you do it? He'd make him feel special, chosen, part of something bigger. The timing of that article about SRI is suspicious. It's either an incredible coincidence or was carefully orchestrated. And how put-off has been connected to disinformation agents like Richard Doty. Doty publicly admitted that Put-off tried to recruit him for a disinformation campaign, and we know that Doty definitely worked for put-off. I believe most of what we know about UFOs is disinformation.

As for Jack's story, I'm not sure. If that was a sci-op, it's pretty complicated, and a lot of things could go wrong. And it was a 20-year project, so I leaned toward believing him. But mainstream scientists say Jack's math is wrong. His theories are fringe. His ideas about conscious spacecraft are impossible. He's been dismissed by the scientific establishment for years. But here's what matters.

Jack didn't listen to the scientific establishment. He listened to that voice and spent 50 years following where it led. Many of his theories are becoming reality. AI and metamaterials are part of our daily lives. Scientists like Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff now connect consciousness to quantum mechanics. Plants and animals use quantum processes. This was thought impossible just a few years ago, but it's true. History is full of scientists who were told they were wrong.

Galileo, Darwin, even Einstein. They were dismissed, ridiculed, called crazy, and they changed the world. The future isn't written by, people who play it safe. It's not written by the establishment. It's written by people who go against it. People who see something, others can't. Jack Sarfati isn't the problem. His critics are. If Jack's wrong, so what? No scientist is always right. The worst that can happen is he's made us think differently about UFOs, physics, and how reality works. But if Jack is right, he's helping save the world. So it feels like a win-win to me. So instead of ridiculing scientific mavericks, maybe we should get out of their

way. Maybe we should support them. So I have a message for the so-called mainstream scientists who dismiss work they don't like and don't understand. Jack Sarfati isn't asking for your approval. He's following instinct and evidence wherever it leads. And that's what real scientists do. This has been The Wi-Files. If you had fun or learn anything, do him a favor, subscribe, like, comment, share. That stuff, I think it helps the channel. I'm not sure, but we still appreciate it. Like most topics we cover here, today's is recommended by you.

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