The Why Files: Operation Podcast - 617: Psyops: From Dead Babies to UFOs - The Same Pattern Every Time

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

A behavioral expert who trains Navy SEALs and CIA operatives created a 20-point test that detects psychological manipulation with mathematical precision. Chase Hughes recently appeared on Shawn Ryan's podcast to discuss this system, and the same patterns appear in government propaganda, corporate deception, and social media algorithms. From a teenage girl's testimony that sold the Gulf War to Big Tobacco's forty-year lie, the scoring system reveals when you're being controlled. The formula works on anything—news coverage, corporate messaging, even the controversies you're arguing about right now. But once you learn to spot manipulation everywhere, you face a different danger. Foreign adversaries benefit when Americans trust nothing and question everything so intensely they can't function. The tool shows you how information is delivered. Deciding what's true is still your job. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X46H1dEADJU

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or outdated science. These are psychological operations, Psiops. Designed to control what you buy, what you think, and how you live. We're being programmed every minute of every day, and most people don't know it. But after today, you'll know exactly

how you're being manipulated. Because all Psiops follow a pattern, and I'm going to show you a simple formula that can detect a Psiop with scary accuracy. We'll even use it on real cases. But, warning you. Once you learn the pattern, you'll see it everywhere. And it's going to make you angry.

Let me step outside the script for just a minute. For a couple of years, I've been wanting to do an episode on SciOps and the techniques to detect them. So when Sean Ryan asked if I'd help spread the word about his new podcast series, I immediately said yes. A link below to where you can listen to it. It's an eight-part series on. on SIOPs. And Sean said I can cover SIOPs however I wanted. So here's where the simulation or the universe or whatever you want to call it comes in. I thought it'd be interesting to talk about something called the NCI engineered reality scoring system. Now this is a 20 question test designed to detect manipulation. The guy who built it Chase Hughes spent two decades training

military and intelligence personnel, Navy SEALs, CIA, FBI. This guy literally trains the people who run sciops for a living. Now, I followed his work for years, and his system is so simple, but so brutally effective, it completely changed the way I consume news. So I told Sean's team, hey, I'm thinking of covering Chase Hughes and the NCI test. Perfect. Chase is on the show this week. I believe in signs. That was a sign. Now, when creators say this is the video they don't want you to see, it's usually clickbait, and I should know because I've done it. But this truly is information that the people in power don't want you to know. This is the secret sauce, the 11 herbs and spices. Today we're going to name names. We're going to speak truth to power.

And yes, I'm going to expose people you admire. So the NCI test. What is this thing? Well, NCI stands for a narrative credibility index. And Chase Hughes studied hundreds of siops, government propaganda, corporate lies, social media manipulation, all of it. And he found 20 patterns that appear consistently in every sciop. Things like timing, emotional manipulation, tribalism, specific messaging. 20 questions. Score each one through five.

Total above 70, that's a sciop. Below 40, probably legit. Between 40 and 70, that's the most dangerous of all, because that's a siop based around the truth, but with an agenda. and that agenda is never to help you. Okay, that's the scoring system to keep in mind. Zero to 100.

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A 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl named Maria testified before Congress. She was volunteering at a hospital when Iraqi soldiers stormed in. The second week after invasion, I volunteered. volunteered at the Al-Ladan hospital with 12 other women. While I was there, I saw the Raki soldiers come into the hospital with guns. They took the babies out of the incubators, took the incubators and left the children to die on the cold floor. It was horrifying.

I could not help but think of my nephew, who if born premature, might have died that day as well. The Rackis have destroyed everything in Kuwait. They stripped the supermarkets of food, the pharmacies of medicine, the factories of medical supplies, ransacked their houses, and tortured neighbors and friends. Now, Congress demanded action. Senators called for war. And a few months later, the United States was at war with Iraq.

So, let's run the test on that story. Timing. Five out of five. Her testimony landed exactly when the Bush administration needed public support for a war that nobody wanted. Emotional manipulation, five out of five. It doesn't get more emotional than dead babies. That's psychological napalm. Uniform messaging, five out of five.

Every news outlet told the story the same way, with the same language, same talking points. There was no independent reporting. Missing information, five out of five. There were no other witnesses, no follow-up interviews, no verification allowed. Authority pressure, five out of five. This was congressional testimony, not some rumor on Usenet. Did you just say Usenet? It was 1990. A lot of the Internet in the 80s and 90s was Usenet.

You know, news groups. No, no, no. I know what Usenet is. Let me ask you two questions, yeah? Go ahead. One, were you on the Internet before 1990? Yes. Two, could you find a date for prom? No.

Uh-huh. Now, we could run through all 20 questions for this, but you can already see the pattern. The final score was 88 out of 100. That's an overwhelming sign of a sciop. And that's exactly what it was, though we didn't know it at the time. Ten years later, the truth came out. Naira was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador. There were no dead babies.

She was never at the hospital. It was all part of a campaign to turn Saddam Hussein, at least in the public consciousness, into Adolf Hitler. and the feeling was that they couldn't sell the Gulf War without this. In other words, they had to cheat to win. The NCI system predicted the lie a decade before anyone admitted to it. Over 100 Americans dead, 500 wounded, 30,000 Iraqis killed, and a bill to U.S. taxpayers of $1.3 trillion. Those close to $1.9 trillion, if you factor in the interest,

we had to pay to borrow the money to fight a war based on a lie. But where did the lie come from? a company that few Americans have ever heard of, but every politician and business person knows. The first Iraq war was the product of the PR agency, Hill and Nolton. And when you look into the history of Hill and Nolton, you know what you find? A whole lot of dollars and a whole lot of death.

The Gulf War wasn't the first time Hill and Nolton weaponized public opinion for profit. New York City, winter of 19, The executives of America's tobacco companies gathered at the Plaza Hotel. They had a problem. Their own scientists had confirmed that cigarettes caused cancer. The research was simple and clear, and the public was starting to ask questions. And if this information got out, the entire industry would collapse.

We're talking billions of dollars, millions of jobs all gone overnight. So they called in a specialist. John W. Hill, co-founder of Hill and Nolton, the PR firm that would later orchestrate the lie that dragged us into the Gulf War. Hill understood that doubt was more powerful than truth. People wanted to smoke. They like smoking.

But if it was dangerous, most people would stop. But if it might be dangerous, they'd keep smoking. So Hill and Nolton worked their strategy. They formed the Tobacco Industry Research Committee, which sounds official and scientific, but it wasn't. The committee existed to create doubt, nothing else. Ah, yes, doubt.

The duct tape of corporate crime can't prove it safe. Make sure nobody can prove it's dangerous either. It's a beautiful thing in a completely evil sort of way. Hill and Nolton funded studies designed to muddy the waters. They hired scientists who would testify that more research was needed. They paid for ads saying the health risks weren't proven. And they made sure that phrase, was heard over and over. No proof. No proof.

Journalists believed they had a responsibility to show both sides, so the media gave equal airtime to tobacco-funded researchers and actual cancer specialists. That made it seem like a fair debate. But it wasn't, because one side was lying. Sixteen years later, an internal memo from Brown and Williamson spelled out the strategy in one sentence. Doubt is our product, since it is the best means of competing with the body of fact that exists in the minds of the general public. Doubt is the product, and the plan worked perfectly for years.

So let's score it. Cherry picked data, five out of five. They only published studies that supported their narrative. Studies that showed cancer risks were buried or attacked. Authority overload, five out of five. They recruited credentialed scientists. They created fake research committees. They flooded medical journals with industry-funded papers.

Suppression of dissent, five out of five. Scientists who published research linking smoking to cancer were harassed, discredited, or had funding pulled. Financial gain, five out of five. The industry made billions of dollars, so every year of delay meant billions of more dollars. What cigarette do you smoke, doctor? Once again, the brand named most was camel. Yes, according to this repeated nationwide survey, more doctors smoke camels than any other cigarette. The final score?

out of 100. Clear signs of a psychological operation. And here's the proof. In the 1990s, whistleblowers leaked 30 million pages of internal tobacco documents. The memos spelled it all out. They knew cigarettes killed people. They knew nicotine was

addictive, and they lied for 40 years. The NCI system predicted it decades earlier. Forty years all lying to the public. Those are rookie numbers. The feds been doing it since 1913. The fossil fuel industry used the same type of manufactured reality to cast doubt on global warming, which became climate change, which became controversial,

and that's perfect. Remember, it doesn't matter if the climate is changing. What matters is that people keep fighting about it. The sugar industry said sugar played no role in diabetes or heart disease. They blamed fat instead. Remember when there was a lot of food labeled low-fat, that was marketed as healthy? Well, it wasn't healthy at all.

And you know what those low-fat products were loaded with? Sugar. Now, opioids might be the most documented corporate sciop in modern history. False claims that OxyContin wasn't addictive. They paid doctors to lie. Scientific studies were written by PR agencies, not by scientists. A source tells ABC News that Purdue offered a package that could be worth up to $10 to $12 billion. In a statement, the company,

explains that while Purdue Pharma is prepared to defend itself vigorously in the opioid litigation, it sees little good coming from years of wasteful litigation and appeals. Different issues, same high NCI scores, same patterns of manipulation used for 100 years. But when those patterns when digital, there would be consequences that nobody predicted. The countdown is on. Holiday shopping season is officially here. And Uncommon Goods takes the stress out of gifting with thousands of unique high-quality finds you won't see anywhere else. Don't wait, the most meaningful gifts get scooped up fast, and now is the perfect time to cross names off your list. I just ordered my wife a custom portrait sweater featuring our three cats, and it might be my favorite gift idea ever.

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That's uncommon goods.com slash the Y files for 15% off. Uncommon goods. We're all out of the ordinary. Corporate sciops have been running for decades in print and on TV. Then social media put those same manipulation tactics in everyone's pocket. Ethiopia, November 2021. Professor Mayareg Amari taught chemistry. 60 years old, father of four.

He was Tigrayan living in the Amharah region during the Ethiopian Civil War. That made him a target. A Facebook page with 50,000 followers posted his photo. They called him a junta, accused him of being an enemy. They posted his home address. There was some reported the post to Facebook right away, multiple times, begged them to take the post down. No response. Three weeks later, men followed the professor home from work.

They executed him in front of his house. The killers chanted junta as they walked away, the same word from the Facebook posts. Eight days after the murder, Facebook finally responded and removed the posts. Eight days too late. Francis Hagen was a product manager at Facebook. She quit in May 2020. four months before this murder. She testified before Congress

about what was happening in Ethiopia. She said the platform's algorithm was causing ethnic violence. Posts that made people angry got more engagement. More engagement meant more ad revenue. So the algorithm promoted hate, and everyone with a Facebook account knows this.

Facebook employees warned executives the feds are asking questions, but nothing changed. Hogan said that conflicts fueled by Facebook had resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths across multiple countries. So there used to be a part of the company that was focused on making sure Facebook

was a constructive force in the world and society. You know, positive force in elections, that kind of thing. And they dissolved it right after the U.S. 2020 election. So let's score it. Emotional manipulation, five out of five. The posts weaponize hate during a civil war. Uniform messaging, five out of five. The same false claims spread across multiple pages and posts.

Financial gain. Four out of five. Facebook's algorithm promoted hate because hate generates engagement. Engagement generates ad revenue. Missing information. Five out of five. There was no fact checking, no verification, just viral hate. The final score, 78 out of 100.

Strong signs of a psychological operation. But not run by a government, not run by a corporation selling cigarettes, run by an algorithm optimized for profit. Same patterns, same high scores, same deadly. consequences. But now we're going to test something harder, because sciops aren't always black and white. Sometimes both sides of an argument use the same manipulation techniques, and that's when things get really dangerous. Algorithms can amplify manipulation from any side. Sometimes that means both sides of a debate score high for sciop tactics. Early 2020.

COVID-19 was spreading and the world was shutting down. Scientists scrambled to understand where the virus came from, and two narratives emerged. Narrative one, natural origin. The virus jumped from animals to humans at a seafood market in Wuhan. This happens. SARS did it, Mears did it. It's called zoonotic spillover and it's normal.

Narrative two, lab leak. The virus escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a few miles from that market. That lab studied bat coronaviruses, Maybe an accident happened. Both seemed plausible. Both needed investigation. Then on February 19, 2020,

the Lancet published a letter signed by 27 prominent scientists. The letter said anyone who claimed the virus was a lab leak was a conspiracy theorist. That shut down debate immediately. Anyone can say anything, right? It's conspiracy theories. Everybody is a theory.

The letter showed up on every news network. Social media platforms flagged lab leak posts as misinformation. Some users were thrown off the play. platforms. One side said, natural origin is the only scientific answer. The debate is over. So let's score that campaign.

Suppression of dissent. Five out of five. Scientists were afraid to discuss lab leak publicly. It was career suicide. Authority overload. Five out of five. 27 scientists in the Lansett letter. And a quirky little man named Fauci worked for the government said that he was the science.

But they're really criticizing science because I represent science. Uniform messaging, five out of five. Every outlet said the lab leak was a debunked conspiracy theory, word for word. The sharing of biased and false news has become all too common on social media. More alarming, some media are true without checking facts first. Unfortunately, some members of media use their platforms to push their own personal bias and agenda to control Control and exactly what people think, and this is extremely dangerous to our democracy. Missing information, four out of five. Critical details were hidden, like the fact that the letter was

organized and signed by Peter Dasik. His organization, EcoHealth Alliance, funded research at the Wuhan lab. He did not disclose that, but his emails prove it. Financial gain, four out of five. If the lab leak was true, funding for gain of function research would be at risk. So the natural origin is settled science campaign scored 70 out of 100. That's a sci-op score. But now scored the other side, the lab leak. Those supporters said the lab leak was obvious. Anyone who denied it was a shill or an asset for the Chinese Communist Party. Authority overload. Five out of five. Politicians and commentators were saying settled science before any real investigations were complete. Tribal division. Five out of five. They made it a political issue. And by the way,

that's how I knew COVID was a sigh up from the start. Anytime you see an issue politicized that initially wasn't, it's probably intentional. Remember at first, all we cared about was a cure or a treatment, but we needed to know the origin of the virus to fight it. But suddenly a health issue became a political

issue. Cherry picked data, four out of five. Lab leaked supporters only discussed research that supported their side. Emotional manipulation, four out of five. Anger at China. COVID is a political issue. Turned Americans against each The lab leak is obvious campaign scored 66 out of 100.

Again, that's a SIOP score. Both sides scored high. You were being manipulated from both directions. Now, the NCI system doesn't know which side is right. It doesn't care. It tells you when someone is trying to control what you think. High scores on both sides of an issue mean you never get an honest debate.

You get information warfare. Look for the patterns. They are there. And they apply to everything controversial from 100 years ago to right now. For example, let's talk about UFOs. Ah! Lately, it feels like every headline is about AI. And yeah, it's impressive, but the question is, how do you actually use the stuff and get more done?

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January 2025, Jake Barber stepped forward as a whistleblower. Former Air Force Special Ops, Combat Control, helicopter pilot. He told News Nation he worked on secret UFO retrieval missions for 30 years. Barbara described flying a helicopter to recovery sites, lifting objects from the ground. One night he got within 150 feet of something he'd never seen before. An egg-shaped craft, white, metallic, about the size of an SUV, no engine, no thermal signature. News Nation verified his credentials. Three other military vets backed up his story on camera.

Ross Coldheart, the journalist covering it, said the footage was about to change everything. But he said that before. This is why I'm skeptical of UFO whistleblowers. Their stories always have high sci-op scores. So let's score Jake Barber. Timing. Five out of five. The story broke in January right before Trump's inauguration

during massive drone sightings over military bases, the perfect moment for maximum attention. Overuse of novelty, five out of five. Look for hyperbolic words and phrases like unprecedented, groundbreaking, could change the world. Uniform messaging, four out of five, non-human craft, non-human biologics, government secrecy. All news reports use the same wording. Financial gain, five out of five. Barber formed a company called Skywatchers LLC around the time he came out as a whistleblower.

His company will conduct scientific studies of anomalous aerial phenomena. Now, we don't know whether he'll charge a fee for this, but get ready to have your mind blown. He's working on a book. There's always a book. There's always a book. Missing information, four out of five. News Nation teased footage but showed very little of it.

There's no way to verify it. Cherry-pick data, four out of five. Jake Barber doesn't have the training for covert ops, but he says he'll testify under oath. Also, the video footage, it wasn't his. And spaceship that looks like it belongs to Mark for Mark, five out of NanoNan. the score 63 out of 100 strong likelihood of a sciop but here's the complication a high score means it manipulation not true or false the reality of UFOs comes down to one of three things one disclosure is real but it's being packaged meaning the government is revealing the truth but using

siop techniques to control how when and what we're allowed to know option two it's a full siop Classified aircraft testing needs a cover story. UFOs are perfect. As long as we're debating whether a craft is from Zeta reticuli or Liza, we're not asking Lockheed or Raytheon what they're up to. Option 3. It's a distraction. Remember all the drones flying over the bases for weeks? That was the real story.

But a UFO story pops up and captures attention. And notice how the drone story just vaporized? Since 2017, this disclosure narrative has been building. David Grush, Louelizando, congressional hearings, leaked videos, each story scores high for manipulation tactics. But each could still contain some truth. And that's the gray area, where facts and sciops blend together, where high scores don't give you easy answers. The NCI score shows you how information is delivered. You still have to decide whether you believe it or not.

And that's what makes this so hard. Who can you trust to tell you the truth? We see people going out on podcasts and stuff that have talking points from the government. Do you believe our government has made contact with intelligent extraterrestrials? Something I can't discuss in public setting. So this is 33 was the first, like, documented? Uh, that is the earliest one I can talk about, yeah. This is something that predates that?

You could infer that. And if you have someone that has talking points from the government, that's a spokesperson, not a whistleblower. If I'm sitting here and I say, well, I can't say this, but I can tell you this one thing. That's a controlled government release of information. Rag and Bone has spent over 20 years perfecting wardrobe staples built to last. Their infused denim takes it further with a rich eight-step over-dye process

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what the real power in America wants. They want us suspicious of each other. They want us divided. Because that division creates paralysis, and that is a meta-syad. Now, I want you to really hear what I'm about to tell you. Every time you fight about politics on Facebook or X or anywhere, you are being manipulated. So stop it. Remember, anger gets more clicks. And Americans hating each other means we're not watching the powerful, and we're not asking the real questions. I like what really happened to Epstein.

I told you, we're not going to... Release the files! But that's exactly my point. We need to focus on the things that. unite us, not divide us. Yeah, what's you talking about, human? Think of it this way. Two neighbors.

One is a stuffy conservative. The other is a bleeding heart liberal. Now, those two neighbors have very different views on abortion, education, guns, just about everything. So they fight about all those things. Yeah, I think I had those guys over for Thanksgiving. Exhausting. Sheesh.

Right. But you don't what those two neighbors with very different political opinions want? They both want to know the truth about UFOs. They both want to know the truth about COVID. The truth about Epstein. That's exactly right. It's that simple. That's where unites us.

The truth. Ah, well, that and bacon. You're stepping all over my dramatic ending, pal. I'm just saying everybody loves bacon. Let's start at bacon unites movement. Mmm, pork. Nature's candy. Psychological operations are running all around us all the time.

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I'm checking the time. Wow. I think that's going to do it. Until next time, be safe. Be kind. I know that you are appreciated. I play for Libbya. A scenario 51.

Inside the Bible said I would I love my UFOs and paranormal fun As well as music So I'm singing like I should But then another piece theory See theory becomes the truth My friends And it never ends

No it never ends I fear the crap cat and got stuck inside males' hole with M.K. Outtruck are being only two of the west. Did Stanley Kubrick fake the moon landing alone on a film set were the shadow people there? The Roswell aliens just fought the smiling man. I'm told, and his name was cold. And I can't believe I'm dancing with the fishes Heckle fish on Thursday

next week they chase you And the webbed off the feet all through the night All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth So the one falls on your feet all through the night The Math Man's sightings and the solar stones still come to have got the secret city underground. Mysterious number stations, planets are both to Project Stargate and where the dark watchers found. Don't you worry though

The black night said a lot It told me so I can't believe I'm dancing with the fish Headful fish at Thursday next when they chase you And the wild balls are being off through the night All I ever wanted

was to just hear the truth So the white balls are my feet all through the night Headful fish on Thursday next week They changed you And the wildfires up to beat all through the night All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth So the one falls on repeat all through the night Curty loves to dance

Curty love to dance Because she is a camel And camels love to dance When the females love to dance When the feeling is right on wasting time Good in love, then, good enough then. Thank you.