The Why Files: Operation Podcast - 628: Templars, Atlantis, and the Ark of the Covenant | Basement #003 Tim Hogan

Episode Date: February 15, 2026

Timothy Hogan is an author, lecturer, and esoteric researcher specializing in the Knights Templar, alchemy, Gnosticism, and Hermetic traditions. Introduced to the Templar tradition in childhood, he later pursued Rosicrucian and Masonic studies, attaining high degrees across several rites. He is the Grand Master of the Order of the Temple of the Secret Initiates and founded the Templar Collegia to teach Templar philosophy and symbolism. Hogan has written seven books exploring history, symbolism, and ancient wisdom traditions. He lectures internationally on cross-cultural symbolism and spiritual philosophy, and leads historical study tours through Egypt, Europe, and Mesoamerica. His work focuses on the transmission of esoteric knowledge, initiation traditions, and the deeper symbolism behind the Holy Grail and alchemy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr-zETVa8mY&t=3s

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Is that a real game? Yeah, not yet. Copyright me, patent-pending, all rights reserved. Tim's family line runs deep in this stuff. His great-grandfather, seven generations back, was General Joseph Warren, the man who initiated Paul Revere and helped organize. the Boston Tea Party. His own father, the mayor of Aurora, Colorado, was involved in developing Denver International Airport. Yeah, that airport. The horse of death, the Nazi bunker,

the illicit people murals, finally someone who knows what's under that runway. Tim's written seven books on alchemy and ancient mysteries. He leads expeditions into Egypt, where his group has private access to places tourists never see. The Sphinx enclosure, sealed chambers at Dendera, even the Great Pyramid itself, where he conducts actual Templar initiations. Wow, that sounds like my Pesci family initiation when I became a made fish. What happened during your initiation? I can't tell you that, human. I took you no matter.

Fair enough. Today we're going deep. We'll cover the standard Templar history, but then Tim's going to take us into the secret history. The archaeological digs under the Temple Mount. Six ancient arcs, his order claims to have recovered, a connection between ancient Egypt and the Mayans, monotomic gold as a superconductive power source, and yes, he says the Templars possess the bones of Jesus. This one gets wild. Tim is more than an encyclopedia.

He's an amazing storyteller. Let's go downstairs. Tim, welcome. Thank you for having me, AJ. I'm so excited because you know I've been a fan of yours for a long time. Well, I've been a fan of yours too, so I'm super excited to be here. I'm so glad you're doing this format. It's with all the stories that I research,

The people behind them are so interesting that I thought it would be fun to have them in here. And you were one of those. When I was putting together my Nets Templar episode, I had a couple of drafts. I ran up by my community and they said, you need to look into Tim Hogan. So I started listening to your interviews and I said, I don't need to do any more research. This guy knows everything about the night. So encyclopedic knowledge. Yeah, well, thank you.

So what I want to do is I want to get into your personal journey in the order, then to the fun stuff. So we're talking alchemy, ancient Egypt, Ark of the Covenant, Anonaki, which I think we can connect. Of course. But let's start today with the mundane, with the cover story. Sure. Can you walk us through 1118 to 1307? Yeah, just general history?

Just general history. Then we'll get into the real story. So according to standard historians, the Templar Order was found in 1118. There were nine knights started by Hewipains and God. Frieda St. Omar, two French knights who had been involved in a number of different things. But they ended up going down to Jerusalem. They got by King Baldwin the second gave them property at near the Temple Mount at an area that's now referred to as King Solomon Stables. and they set up in order ostensibly to protect pilgrims in the Holy Land. So these nine knights were supposed to protect all the pilgrims in the Holy Land. So for the first 20 years, this is what was said they were doing.

Now this was more of a cover story. They were actually doing digging. They're doing what we would refer to as archaeology now. Well, before we get there, hold on. Okay. Because not everybody knows this stuff. Okay, right. So they're protecting pilgrims.

Can you just, and very briefly, because we wouldn't get to the good stuff. Sure. Explain the commandaries, how they accumulated wealth. Yeah, so what they would do is they set up these commandaries throughout Europe and as well as in the Holy Land. And really where they started making money as they became a banking system, where if you were going to, back then, you have to understand that Christians would travel. to Jerusalem in the same way that Muslims would travel to Mecca today. So it was like, deem that once in your life you go to Jerusalem and you see the holy places where Jesus walked and where Moses was and where King Solomon's temple was said to be.

And you would take this pilgrimage. Well, it was very dangerous to travel back then. I mean, the world was full of ruffians and thieves. and if you had any money on you, of course, they were going to steal it. So what the Templar Order did is they set up a thing where you could deposit your money at the commander in, let's say, London, and you get a special note. And then when you arrived in Jerusalem, you could go to the commander in Jerusalem, present this note, and they give you your money back, you know, with a small fee taken out.

Right. And so that small fee, you know, added up. And this is really where the Templar Order developed its wealth. And because when they were created, they didn't have to answer to anybody but the Pope, it gave them a lot of freedom and a lot of latitude to do a lot of things, including associating with other religious traditions and other cultures that didn't exist in Europe. I mean, as they went into the Holy Land, there were groups like the Druze and the Sabians and others that were translating Greek and Roman. in texts, and these hadn't made their way into Europe yet. And so by having these associations with the Templar Order, the Templars were able to gain knowledge

that just wasn't accessible at the time in Europe. And they learned of traditions like Pythagorean traditions and, you know, the works of Plato and things that we kind of take for granted now that just was not available at the time. They also had to have associations with Islamic groups that were already existing in the Holy Land at the time. And while they later would get dragged into having to fight and defend territories on behalf of the church, that wasn't their main focus.

Their main focus was actually establishing connections with these different traditions so they could gain their knowledge and bring that knowledge back to Europe. Really, to try to get Europe out of the Dark Ages. They believe that if they gain the technology and the philosophies of what they believed was the pre-civilization, the civilization before Noah. Don't do it yet. Don't do it yet. Because you're going to get me excited.

Okay, okay, okay. And as we get down there, you're a brilliant storyteller. So if you see me almost stepping on a punchline or stealing your thunder, slow me down. Okay, okay. Okay, okay. But take us to 1307. They've accumulated wealth. Right.

So they've accumulated all this wealth. The king of France at the time, Philip the fair, he needed money. He wanted to set himself up as the new war king of Europe. and he also wanted to control the church. He had already, by some accounts, poisoned one pope, assassinated one pope to try to get the pope he wanted onto the throne. He eventually got Clement V. onto the throne.

And then he also owed a bunch of money to the Templar Order, who they had been loaning him money, you know, all along. but he needed more money and he knew that they had amassed a great fortune at the Paris Commandery. So what he did was he in September of 1307

he issued arrest warrants that were to be implemented in October October 13th in fact Friday October 13th 1307 to arrest the entire Templar Order and to bring them up on charges with the hopes of then securing their wealth.

Now, the Templar Order, they had spies everywhere, they knew about this. They set up a plan where Jack de Malay, who was the grandmaster of the Templar Order, he kind of stayed behind in Paris. They normally had about 100,000 Templars in Paris. they most of them fled Paris a few stayed behind to appear as business as usual because the Templars had a fleet they had an entire fleet yeah and so the night before on October 12th 1307 the fleet disappears along with all the wealth of the Grand Commandery of Paris and Jack de Malay is staying behind with a few hundred other nights

The arrest orders get implemented on Friday, October 13th. They're rounded up. This is the origin of the unlucky date of Friday the 13th. Yep. And then they're tortured for seven years. I think Jack de Malay thought that, and by the way, they also wanted the Pope, wanted Pope Clement the Fifth, wanted the Templar Order to merge with their rival order, which was known as the Knights Hospitali.

Knights Hospitalee later became the Knights of Malta, but that's a different story. But the Templar Order wouldn't do it. Jack D. Malay wouldn't do it, because they would have lost all of their freedoms that they had. And the Templars were known for trying to fight for freedoms of individuals as well. They helped instigate the signing of the Magna Carta, for example, which gave people rights for the first time in England, you know.

God-given rights. God-given rights. Yeah, and this was talked about, even in Wolfram von Eschenbach's Parcival, which was a book published in the 1200s where it says the Templars were these grail guardians. They're the guardians of the grail. And it said, on the grail altar,

it said, if any Templar should become ruler of a foreign people, let him ensure that they are given their God-given rights. Well, this was the first time in history where it's even suggested that people have God-given rights. I mean, rights back then were said to come from the Pope or from the king, and that was it. So the fact that the Templars were fighting for people to have rights, you know, this was bad for business for both the Pope and the king, so that's why they entered into the conspiracy to suppress the Templar order.

So, and this brings me to a question. and I want to get your take on, because I heard you mention this recently. Sure. That kind of shocked me a little bit. I'm going to tell the quick version of what's of the mainstream version of the story. Early 2000s, a document is discovered in the Vatican Archives called the Shonan parchment. Right, sure. Where Pope Clement the Fifth absolves the knights.

Right. And I kind of assume that was true, but you have a different... Yeah, everyone assumes it's true, but the thing is, So Napoleon, people forget Napoleon raided the Vatican archives. Napoleon's personal physician was Bernard Raymond Fabre Paloprat, who was the grandmaster of the Templar Order underground. Napoleon himself believed himself to be the illegitimate grandson of Bonnie Prince Charlie, who was also a Templar.

out of Scotland. So one of the things that Napoleon was doing is he was looking for Templar artifacts, specifically, when he raided the Vatican. He brought all those archives back to

France, where they were sifted through at St. Sulpas. The sheet on parchment was never found, right? All of a sudden, years later, Dan Brown becomes popular. talking about

Templar stuff. That becomes this big thing and lo and behold out of nowhere this new chinon parchment is found absolving the Templar order and it's being kind of sketchily verified

as even being legit and everyone just accepts it as real but I did yeah everyone did but I don't I don't believe, I think it was a later forgery. And after I heard your explanation of it, I'm leaning your way because it doesn't absolve the knights as much as it absolves the church. Sure, it's exactly right.

Right. Yeah, because the church, you know, they, they, they sanctioned torture and, and, uh, and accuses. the Templar Order of all kinds of made-up heresies that we know now are just, you know, made-up. And then ultimately, in 1314, Jack de Malay, as well as a number of other knights, Jeffrey Charnay, who is one of his top perceptors of Tuat-Troix region, and others, they were all burnt to the stake. and the Templar, in Jack D. Malay, right before he died, he said, look, I do not consent to any of these false charges. And he told both Clement V and Philip the Fair that they would both join him in the afterlife within a year. This is the curse.

This was the curse, and they both did. They both died, you know, within a year, you know, which, you know, has led to some special. If they were poisoned secretly, if they were, you know, secretly assassinated, which led to that. I think the Pope was poisoned because I think he actually died of dysentery. Yeah. Yeah. So, but there, but the, but that was, you know, that was in March of 1314. But they, and they were both in like Jack D. Malay, he was burnt just outside of Notre Dame Cathedral.

And to this day, there's still a plaque. there where he was burned and it's it's on the island there just outside of Notre Dame Cathedral. I didn't know that. Yeah and some people speculated that because the Templars were largely responsible for building those

cathedrals. Certainly. Yeah and they funded them and they provided the manpower and then they incorporated esoteric knowledge that they're bringing back from the Middle East onto those cathedrals. Sure, and we can see their graffiti all own for Europe.

Yeah. So before we get into the real history, can you take us through your personal experience? You're initiated it as a page at age eight? Eight, yeah. What is that? So, yeah, so there's this whole tradition that was set up specifically for young people to go through this knighthood program.

And I didn't know it at the time. I just was, you know, I was participating in it. But my first induction ceremony was at age eight. Did you know your family was so deeply in that? You didn't. I had no clue. And you're, you're. I wasn't even told until I was 18.

So I had, I had gone through this whole program, this knighthood program, where I spent six years trying to attain these different ranks of knighthood. Mom, you should have sent me to this instead of the Boy Scouts, I'm just saying. Yeah, well, you know, the Boy Scouts were founded by Templars too. Powell was a Templar, but if you look at the old Boy Scout handbooks, they talk about how a modern Boy Scout is a Templar, basically. So, but, yeah, so I went through this program, and then by the age of 18, I had attained this rank of Sir Knight within it.

And along the way, I had to work on all these different things. I had to study the mysteries of the Grail, and I had to try to inculcate these values, these virtues, and trying to become a good citizen and leader in the world and all this stuff. By the time I was 18 and I had gone through this program, I realized it was all the people who, I was like, who set up this program? And I started looking into it and realized it was all these Freemasons and Templars that had set up this program.

And so I was like, oh, I think I need to become a Freemason, you know. So I remember I was in college at the time. And I went over to my mom's house to do laundry. As we all do. Yeah, right? And I said, and she said, what are you up to? And I said, well, you know, I think I'm going to try to become a Freemason. and she said, oh, you know, both your grandfathers are Freemasons.

Your dad went through that system. Your great-grandparents are all involved. You have a long family line involved in all that. I was like, what? And she was like, yeah, it was your grandpa that put me, had you put you in that program when you were a kid. Wow. I had no clue about any of this.

So she encouraged me to reach out to them. and then I found out that I had this long family lineage on both sides of my family involved in all this going way back and including my great grandfather seven generations back was the martyr of the Revolutionary War who's General Joseph Warren He's the one who initiated Paul Revere. He's the one who set up the Boston Tea Party. And he was a grand commander in the Templar Order at the time. And his brother, John Warren, was the first grandmaster of Freemasonry in the forming United States.

And his son, Joseph Warren, Jr., ended up marrying Elizabeth Burns, who was the poet Robert Burns's daughter. And Robert Burns was also a Templar in Scotland. And he wrote all enzyme that we all sing on New Year's Day every year.

You know, so, amongst other things. So anyhow, I had this like, so my middle name's Warren, because that's my mother's maiden name, and so the Warren's side of the family all goes back to that. And my grandfather, Hugh Warren,

He was named Hugh after Hugh to Paines. Of course. And, you know, and then he had the Warren, you know, side of it. You know, he's the one who got me involved in all this stuff. And, and then on my dad's side, Howard Hogan, you know, he was really active in freemasonry, was a high degree mason in Nebraska and his. And your father was a very popular politician in Colorado. Correct.

Yeah. He had been raised. He went through a D. Malay program when he was growing up. Okay. And I have all those old D. Malay stuff. And he became a Mason. And he was, yeah, and he was mayor of Aurora, Colorado, which is the, like, the 50th largest city in the U.S. It was bigger than Salt Lake City or Philadelphia or St. Louis or a lot of major cities we think of.

But he was mayor. and he was involved in all this stuff, but I had no clue growing up. About your dad, my audience knows a lot about the Denver airport and the Masonic connection. Oh, yeah, correct. Your father was involved in that?

Yeah, yeah. So he's the one who like, so the Denver airport was annexed from Aurora. So that wasn't even Denver territory. Right, it was outside of. Right, it was outside of Denver. So they annexed it, And the agreement was that Denver would get the taxes from the airport,

and Aurora would get the taxes from any hotels and stuff that were set up around there. But he also helped set up the what's known as the Gaylord Resort that's out there on Denver International Airport property. And it has the convention center attached to it. And the convention center is actually named after my father. It's the Stephen D. Hogan Convention Center. So because he was all involved in all that stuff. And I have a brother-in-law who's also involved right now in the restructuring of the terminal of the airport. And then I was involved early on.

There's a Masonic time capsule out there. Oh, yes. And it has the braille plaque on it. And for the longest time, that Braille plaque was actually a plastic plaque. Most people don't know this. And so the secretary of my Masonic Lodge, his name was Warren Glover. He passed away years ago. But he and I went out to the Denver International Airport to put the actual metal plaque on there.

And so I was involved in some ways of actually dealing with that thing. And it's not alien code. and if you push the right buttons, nothing's going to open up, like some people say, but it's just a braille plaque, you know. But the Templars are famous for digging tunnels and hiding things. Of course. What's under that airport?

Tell us. Well, I mean, I'll tell you, I've been down under there. Not where the luggage is. What's under that? No, below that. Okay. Yeah. And there's some storage areas.

There's no lizard people down there. Oh. You know, there was always speculation that there was some entrance to the underworld down there. It's not really. I mean, the whole reason why that property was even selected was it was a deal made between the Denver mayor and Federico Pena, who was Pena Boulevard that goes to the airports named after now. and it was kind of a money-making scheme for the politicians at the time. They do that.

Yeah, exactly. So no bunkers? No, well, there is rumors that, and unofficially, let's tell you say. We're off the record. Right, off the record. There's rumors that there are bunkers down there for the president and other people should there be a calamity on the East Coast, and they need to get out of that area.

That's an area that they can go to and to be hidden, and they continue to still operate. We do know that there was a potential impact event years ago, and Obama was sent to that airport. That's right. And about less than three miles from the airport is the Space Force Base, Buckley Space Force Base, which is almost on the property.

And in fact, the road that goes, that divides the two properties is the Stephen D. Hogan Parkway, which is also named after my dad. And then there's also a housing community, too, on the Denver Airport property called the Highlands, and it's all dedicated to my dad, too.

There's a block there. He was very involved in all that development. He seemed like a great man, and I watched your eulogy of him online. It was really touching. Oh, thank you. Did you learn all the secret history of the Templars when you were initiated? Is that kind of how it works?

Yeah. Well, I learned the general history of the Templars as I was growing up. That was part of my education. But then, yeah, as I got involved in stuff, I started learning more of the secret history that was involved there. And I've tried to bring some of that forward and make it public. a lot of things that just nobody's known about. You know, like you look up, Rosicrucian, for example, you're going to hear the same general story of,

oh, it was established in Germany, but it doesn't really... And they talk about Johann Valentin Andrea, but they don't really talk about what Johann Valentin Andrea was involved in, you know? And he was... He was... he grew up in the town of Koff, spelled C-A-L-W in Germany and his mom was the town alchemist there and that was a Templar

it was an underground Templar area and that's where this militia crucifera Evangelica was largely based out of in fact there's to this day there are secret chapels there that have the the Blazons or the coat of arms of all the original

members of that tradition and they have Andrea's coat of arms there and stained glass and there's a whole tradition there that most people have no clue about. Well, where do the Templars really start and what was their original mission? Yeah, so according to, and this isn't,

by the way, I'm popularizing, I'm getting this information out there now but it's something that's been known within the Templar traditions for a long time. the grandmaster before me, Raymond Bernard. He was a very famous historians and esotericists in Paris. And he published a book on this called The Secret Meeting in Rome,

which was about his initiation into the Templar Order, clear back in 1956. And in it, he talks about that the real purpose for the Templar Order was the Templar Order quickly realized very early on that there were these flood myths all around the world and everyone had the same flood myth.

Alluding to the fact that there was probably a very real cataclysm in antiquity. We're getting to the point where it's almost non-negotiable. Right, right now. Right now. But like back then, I mean, it was just kind of considered biblical history.

Right. You know, and so, but the Templars, they thought there was something to it. And that they also believed that there was a very advanced civilization that had existed prior to this cataclysm. When you say advanced, do you mean advance for their time or for hours? Both. So technology we would find advanced. Right. Okay.

Yeah, so much so that even later on when Francis Bacon wrote his book, The New Atlantis. Oh, yes. So Francis Bacon was the secret son of Queen Elizabeth I. He was hidden at birth. He was given to Lady Anne Bacon, who is Queen Elizabeth's lady in waiting. And he was raised by the bacon, Lord Nicholas Bacon. Lady Anne Bacon. But Francis Bacon

and Queen Elizabeth I first was a member of this militia crucifery and Angelica. She was a Templar. And that's something interesting where people think that Knights Templar are just guys on horses. Right, no, no. There were women going all the way back

to the beginning. And farmers and blacksmiths and masons. Right, exactly. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't just knights on horseback. It was in clerics. it was an entire, it was the first multinational corporation, really. And it had men and women involved in it in different capacities. But, and so even after the suppression, as the Temple Order continued to exist,

secretly underground, there's some very high-level people like Queen Elizabeth I that were involved in it. Francis Bacon had also been involved in it. So when he wrote his New Atlantis, the whole basis of the book was that there was this secret underground Templar body that referred to itself as the College of Solomon. Yes. So the head of the College of Solomon's wearing a turban with a red Templar cross on it. And they have developed all these technologies.

Or they're trying to develop all these technologies. And the story goes that there was this ship. It's kind of like the story of lost, actually, if you ever watch that TV show? The first season. Yeah, so there's this ship that crashes on the island, and nobody knows about this island. It's like this hidden island. And when the people get off the ship, they find there's this civilization on this island, and they're totally spiritually and materially way more advanced than the rest of the world.

and the people that I am explained to themselves, well, we're the College of Solomon, we develop these technologies and we know about the whole world, but the whole world doesn't know about us. And they say to them,

where did you learn of these technologies? And they say, well, it's like this. We settled on this island, and then one day we saw this light out hovering, over the ocean and it was like in the shape of a cross so we rode our boats out to it and there was like this force field that wouldn't let us get any closer to it and then it spit this book out to us

okay and so we we brought this book back to land and it's a it was a blueprint for how to create all these technologies so we've been just trying to develop them ever since so this is like clearly describing this UFO event right but But all the technologies were believed to be technologies from the original Atlantis. And it described things like submarines and flying machines and things that, you know, no, but didn't exist back in Francis Bacon's day. But it was believed these were the things that the original Atlantis had and that it was the Templar mission to redevelop these things.

And to reestablish a country where they could be developed. And that's really what led to the creation of the United States to become this new Atlantis where these technologies could be developed. How does Francis Bacon's story track with Plato's description of Atlantis? It's pretty, it's different because he's clearly sourcing back to Plato. Sure. But then he's also talking about all kinds of things that Plato's. doesn't talk about.

And he talks about, like, medicines that need to be developed and, uh, along with the technologies. And, um, you know, he just says it needs to be reestablished. The new Atlantis needs to be established. And does that become a Templar mission? That becomes the Templar mission. Okay. Yeah. And then, um, and then, yeah, then ultimately, I mean, the United States, well, originally the

Royal Society was established in England to try to create these ideas of Francis Bacon. And then that was brought over into the establishment of the United States, which then became the main New Atlantis model to develop these things and perpetuate them. So when the Templars, they end up in Jerusalem, there, I believe, granted permission to set up their headquarters under the dump under the dump right so this is the secret history yes so like this is why we're here this is why

right right so while they're supposed to be protecting pilgrims right what they're really doing is they're digging right and they're they're doing archaeological excavation under the temple mount and they're going into east jerusalem and they're opening up tombs and finding artifacts and they're bringing this stuff secretly back to Europe.

And then they're also going into places like Egypt, where they set up their grand commandery at the Temple of Isis at Phile. And from there, they're going into places like the Temple of Hathor, Dendera, and Hatshepsuits Temple in the Valley of the Kings and in Karnak and then... And they leave these Templar markers at all these places,

and they leave Templar graffiti at all these places as well. And they're finding artifacts, including arcs, like the Ark of the Khamminate. And you said arcs. Arks, plural. Plural arcs. Yeah, so they found six arcs. But there was probably 100 arcs in antiquity.

Every temple in Egypt had one of the, these arcs and you can see it on the temple walls when you know what to look for so if we had so if there were a hundred arcs on earth then what how the arcs are described in the bible is incorrect well they were what they were is they were electrostatic capacitors and they would be set up a certain node points around the planet and then the electricity would build up and it would just broadcasts within the region. And let me set up for those listening. If you take Acacia wood and put gold on either side of it, you create a dielectric,

which does transfer electricity. That's exactly right. And then the other thing they put in the arcs was this, what was referred to as mana, which was really just gold converted into a monoatomic state and which makes it superconduct. So you put this superconductive substance inside this, and it's going to produce a tremendous amount of electricity. But monotomic gold can only do that with some alchemical... Correct.

Right, because scientists can't do this. Correct. But somebody could. Yes. So the process of the Templars figured out how to do this, right? And it is weird science, because when you take gold and you convert it into the state, the first thing that happens is the gold,

you break it down and break it down, but you still have gold, but at a certain point the gold disappears. Well, the lattice structure, the molecules falls away and you're left with single atoms. Well, even before that, it literally disappears into a higher dimension. What? Yeah. Okay.

And then when you create the conditions for it to come back, yeah, it enters in this monotomic state where every grain of this gold is one atom thick that is the outer, the two electrons of the outer valence ring both enter into what's called a spin forward. And when that happens, it enters into a high spin state. So the nucleus completely captures the outer valence. outer valence ring so it doesn't bind with anything.

Right. And when it does this, it generates a tremendous amount of electricity in it, in it, it, uh, it, uh, it, yeah, becomes super connective. And there are some parts of the Ananaki legend that say they were here from monoatomic gold. Right. Yeah. They were, they were mining gold.

Mm-hmm. I think this is when we see modern UAPs in the ocean. I think that's what they're doing. I think they're, uh, because, because this gold, it can also be. made deep in the earth and pushed up volcanically and then it gets deposited in the soil and

or in the bottom of the ocean. If you look at the bottom of the ocean, it's mostly just white powder down there which is what this monotomic gold is. But it also, it can be pushed up volcanically and

then plants absorb it. And so the other way you can capture it is you can calcinate down like a bush, right? Burn it down and you can extract the monotomic gold out of the ashes. And that's interesting because calcinate, that would be one of the steps of alchemy. Correct.

And it's also, we believe from a Templar perspective, it's why Moses witnessed God is a burning bush, right? Because you have to calcinate down the bush to extract the mana literally out of the ashes, the monotomic gold. Do you remember the name of that, that bush, the scientific name, because they're all over Egypt? Oh, yes, it's the tamarisk. Well, there's the tamarisk, and then there's the acacia, but they're all over that area. But there's tamaris, the thorny tamrisk is what they say was probably the burning bush.

Right. And so there are these perennials up, this is for the audience all over Egypt, that these perennials have highly volatile oil. that are flammable. Correct. When the conditions are correct in the desert, they catch fire. That's exactly right. And you can, and if you, if you extract the ashes from that, you can extract these, this monotomic gold from those ashes.

This is also, by the way, we believe why the later on, the Hebrew priests at like Solomon's Temple, were demanding all these burnt sacrifices. Because again, you can extract the monotomic. the mana quote unquote in mana by the way mana just in Hebrew means what is it it's literally what it means is what is it and it's called that because if you do a spectrostopic analysis or a chemical testing with this monotomics it doesn't show up as anything right it's like mana what is it you know so so take us to the back to the arc the mana is in there so it's placed to the art even the Bible says

that there was a pot of mana placed in the ark. But if you take... And mana provided throughout the entire Exodus. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Well, in Moses, he also burned the golden calf into this white powder. And for century, scientists said, oh, see, this is just proof the Bible's, you know,

ridiculous because everyone knows gold melts. It doesn't turn into a powder. But actually, if you do this alchemical process to it, it does turn into a powder. And it does not only, you can see this in ancient Egypt, on all the temples, wherever you see an ark, you'll also see the Pharaoh with his hand out, with this mound-shaped cone on his hand. That cone mound is the mana, the mana bread. And actually, when you form the mana in the vessel,

when the gold it phase shifts into this other dimension and when you bring it back in the vessel it forms that exact mound shape and so that's why they're depicting it that way but it the pharaoh would eat that and it had incredible health benefits in terms of curing cancer and everything else

but it was also put inside those arcs and it would produce this tremendous amount of power. And I am certain, actually, that's why these phase-shifting UFOs, these UIPs, that are phase-shifting the same way that the gold does when you do this alchemical process to it, that's what they're doing. They're mining this stuff, because it allows them to use...

And by the way, the Hebrew tradition referred to the substance as mana, right? But, and it was said to, if you read texts like the Kebrich Nagas, which is the Ethiopian text, that talks about King Solomon's flying craft. In Menelik, yes. Right. And Menelik. King Solomon's flying craft was said to be powered by this mana, right? but wait there's more

but wait there's more you know in the ancient Vedic text they talk about flying craft and they're referred to as Vimana in the Samarian text they talk about the Ananaki these gods having flying craft and the flying craft

were referred to as Shimana and the Polynesian cultures that talk about like how the eastern island statues removed it was with a substance that was referred to as manna. Right? And in like Tibetan traditions,

the white stone of enlightenment was referred to as mani. It's all the same stuff. You find it universal. And the other unique thing that happens with this mana, when you put it in, when you subject it to a weak electrostatic or electromagnetic

field, it causes the vessel containing it to start to weigh less than nothing. This is really how a couple people with rods could carry the Ark of the Covenant which would have weighed several tons. Several tons.

You know, with all that gold and Acacia wood. And maybe it's a coincidence or maybe not. but the priest that carried the arkward were the Levites. Right. It sounds a lot like levitation. Levitation.

Yes. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Not that the word levitation is a Hebrew word, but I mean, you tell me where the word levitation comes from. It's just interesting. There's a lot of root words to things that we normally don't think of as with certain cultures.

For example, the word ignite. Right. Right. Comes from ignis. right, the Greek ignis, which meant fire. You know where that comes from? No. It comes from the Sanskrit, Agni, which meant fire.

Okay. So Agni became igni, you know, which where we get ignite, you know. But like most people would never, so they take it back to the Greek, but they wouldn't realize it actually comes from the Sanskrit. Sure. So there's words all the time that get incorporated into words we use in English, or the word on for. for example, when you turn on a light switch, on was the ancient Egyptian word for light.

So you're literally turning on the light, you know. And there's lots of words like that that we've inherited that we don't really remember the origins of. And scholars are quick to point them back to the Roman or the Latin or the Greek. But the Greeks and the Romans, they got those from other. Sure. So, I mean, it's... Yeah, you can see a lot of... Polynesian cultures have words with Greek roots,

but there's an argument to be made that it's kind of the other way around. Yeah, of course. Yeah, 100%. So to the Ark, what did the Israelites think they had? What were they doing with this box? Well, so we believe... This is from a Templar perspective.

Sure. Okay. we're quite certain that the whole Moses story really goes back to, you have to understand the history associated with the Pharaoh Akhenaten. So Akhenaten was the first Pharaoh to proclaim monotheism in history. He said all the gods of Egypt were actually a part of one god that was known as the Aton. or Maiaten, which in ancient Egyptian was Attenai, right? When Akhnaten got deposed,

because the Amun priesthood rose up and were like, hey, we're not going to do this one God thing anymore. Right, could they were Shabun and the others? Right. So they had to go underground. Akhtan had a brother whose name was Tutmosis. And when Akhton was deposed, Moses is the one that took all the Atenist followers out of Egypt and he took them up into

Phoenicia and they really literally became the Canaanites and became the early Hebrews and so in words like Atenai became Adonai which meant Lord in Hebrew and but the ark that's associated with the Hebrew tradition really was one of the these arcs that was in Egypt that was a power, literally was used to generate power. And we believe these arcs, according to the ancient Egyptian account, these were technologies that had come from Uttlant, which was their name for what we now call Atlantis. And it's depicted on the, at Ed Fu, at the Temple of Horus.

There's what's called the building text that are on the wall there and they show the gods, the needers coming over in boats from the primordial mound that had drowned in the ocean as they came to Egypt to settle and they also showed these arcs on the boats being brought over. So anytime you see an ark in Egypt, one of these arcs, it's always depicted on a boat. and it's because it was technology that was brought over from Uatland.

Sure. And deposited in these temples that were then used as like power stations. I mean, there's even that story in the Bible about Uza who goes to steady the ark and is electrocuted. Literally. Yeah, it kills him in the spot. You know, because he's shocked to death. Yeah. And that was the other thing.

So the pharaohs are always depicted with these rods next to the arch. because they were grounding rods. So you could literally put the rod in the ground, drop it against the arc, and it would ground the electricity, so then you could open it. But in the Torah or the Old Testament, these were, it was Aaron's rod.

You know, that's what Aaron's rod was used for. Same thing, it was a grounding rod. You put it in the ground, drop it against the arc, discharge the electricity, so then you could handle the arc. But if you didn't do that, the arc would start to build up static electricity over several hours or several days. And then it would discharge through the winged figures on the top. Ah, the cherubim, yeah. The cherubim.

And if you remember in the story, Moses, he sets up a tabernacle on the wilderness, which he did with wool curtains. Right. Right. And wool is also a static generator. That's right. So it would help to build up that static, you know, that would, that would then be collected in the ark as a capacitor, which would then discharge it.

That's true. When they would send priests into the tabernacle, they would tie a rope around their legs. Yeah. If they got killed, they could pull them out. Yeah. Yeah. So they wouldn't get electrocuted too.

Yeah. So the Templar Order, they found six of these arcs. Where did they find these? In between Jerusalem and Egypt. Okay. And most of them were found in Egypt. In fact, at the Temple of Sedi the First at Abidos, there's a secret chamber.

It's called the Umsedi Room now. But it's a chamber, it's close to the public. You know, we lead tours in Egypt and we have access to this chamber. And what it has depicted on the temple wall is it shows. shows Sedi the first holding the mana bread in his hand next to an arc, and then it shows another arc on the boat undergoing transportation. But the arc right next to him, there's also three red Templar crosses that were painted by the order,

back in the clear back in the late 1100s, because that's where they found the first arc was in that room. And that's one of the arcs that they secured that we still have to this day. Let's take a quick break and I want to come back and talk about the arcs that you found. And I'd like to get into a little bit of ancient Egypt and how they could have worked as technology. Absolutely. Sure. We'll be right back.

So the Hebrews had the arcs, they probably didn't know what they were. Correct, yeah. Yeah, they didn't understand. Well, they had a arc. Right. For sure. They quickly learned that it could be deadly. Sure.

And it would probably, you know, it would build up this power. Interestingly, if you look at around the world, you'll see this all over. Egypt, but also other places like Cambodia and in, like Peru. There's these, what are known as, they're called butterfly clamps, which would fit these stones together, and then there's these clamps. It's the same looking clamp. Those weren't actually, we believe, weren't really to hold the stones together, because If you wanted to hold the stones together, it would be thicker in the center and smaller on the sides.

But in these cases, it's thicker on the sides and thinner in the center. So the purpose of them wasn't, and it was metal, we know it was metal that was put in there. The purpose wasn't really to hold the stones together. They were, they created a zipper effect around the temples, and those were the, they were like the receiving for these arts. So as the energy was broadcasted, it'd be picked up by this metal zipper that would go around the temples, and then they could just kind of plug into that, you know. We think that's what they were really used for.

And you'd think there was about a hundred of them? Oh, yeah, at least. Around the world? Yeah, maybe even more. I mean, you find even to this day in Japan and the Shinto tradition, They have these arcs that they bring out of their temples, you know, once a year in the paradesum around the town. And they look exactly like the Ark of the Covenant. I didn't know that.

Yeah. But it comes from the early Japanese tradition, you know, of having these arcs, you know. So they were, it was an international thing that I think went back to this technology of Atlantis that, you know, when that civilization collapsed, you know, there were certain ones that were preserved. And then later they made kind of like symbolic replicas of them. You see this a lot in Ethiopia. Yes. To this day, they call them tabit boxes.

But they... Do you believe that the arc that's allegedly an axiom in Ethiopia is... I think it's real. You think it's real? Yeah, I think it's one of the real ones. Okay. Yeah, I have no reason to doubt it, actually. I mean, that whole Ethiopian tradition there is,

is very old. The Kevin Nagas talks about the ark coming there. Correct, yeah. And it also, there's one of the earliest Jewish temples in Egypt was actually on Elephantine Island. And I've been into the ruins. That area is closed to the public. but I've been in there.

How do you get access to all these places? By the way, Tim does tours that I am definitely going to take. How do you get access to these places? Well, because the order's been there for the last thousand years doing research. And so they just give us access, you know, because we've always been respectful. They allow us to do our initiation ceremonies and the Great Pyramid still. It's not a problem. Does the Great Pyramid have anything to do with the arcs?

Some believe that the the so-called sarcophagus, the box that's in the king's chamber, was originally designed to hold an arc. It would fit better than a body. Right. Others believe there is something else that's going on in Egypt. At all these temples where you find these arcs, there's also talks of stargates that are on the,

And this is in the hieroglyphs on the temple walls, they talk about stargates. And that these arcs were being used to provide the energy for these stargates. And that the pharaoh would go through these stargates and meet with the needers, the gods, who would instruct him. and then he would come back and pass that on to the rest of Egypt.

And there were only like seven pharaohs that were considered masters of the stargates. And Hatschatsuit was one, and then her son, Tupmosis III, was one. Even Akhenaten, who was the great-grandson of Tupmosis III, was also listed as a master of the Stargate. I have an episode coming out at some point that's going to be controversial that alleges that Akanaten might have been Moses. Yeah, we think it was his brother, Tutmosis. So Tudmosis became Moses.

Yep. Right? And Tumosis is second. He was just found just a couple of weeks ago. Correct. Yeah. So there's, there is, we think, so there's some evidence that this idea of the Aten, the one god that Acknotan talked about, was actually known by the pharaohs, going back to

Tupmosis III at least, and that it was knowledge that was secret amongst the pharaohs, that all the gods were aspects of one god. And it was only Ackhaten who then made that idea public, and that was where his real heresy was. Sure, I mean he moved the capital right from Cairo. Right. And yeah, he set up Tel-Armana. Yes. And he, uh, and then, of course, Nefertiti was his wife.

The real kicker there is that there are busts of Nefertiti. Well, same, that, that headdress that Nefertis is wearing is actually a Mayan headdress. Hmm. And on Elephantine Island, there. There is a secret tutmosis the third temple there. And it shows Mayans trading beads with Egyptians. Again, this is Anunaki legend that after the Great Flood, the Yucatan survivors went and Egypt survivors went.

Correct. And we think what happened was actually, so the Mayans, they referred to Atslan, which was the homeland. The Egyptian temple walls talk about Uttlant, which is the same place, and that we think what the Egyptians later did, so the Egyptians inherited all this stuff, right? They didn't even know what most of it was.

They found it. They found it. I mean, when they found the Serapian, for example, where there was these giant granite boxes, that weigh 700 tons and are so perfectly and precisely made. The Egyptians couldn't have made that. They had copper tools.

Right, and I've seen those right angles measured with lasers. Right, and they're precise. Yes. No one knows really what the boxes were for. According to early accounts, the only thing that was found in them was a white powder. Right, right.

So it was probably the... this mono-atomic gold. And it was probably a survival bunker, you know, to preserve this stuff from the cataclysm. So when the Egyptians later found it, they were totally freaked out. We know they were because they started making, they started sacrificing bulls there. They started eating the dirt out of the temple walls because they thought it might have magical properties. I mean, these were not the technologically advanced people who made those boxes.

These were the later people who found them, clearly, and we're trying to process it. But we also know that the Egyptians wanted to find the original homeland of the needers and of this tradition. and so they probably sailed in boats over to the Yucatan and met with the Mayans who had the same tradition and you know we don't know how much they associated with them but we do know like in the Valley of the Queens for example there's a tomb dedicated to a Queen Maya and there's Mayan artwork in the tomb you know so there had to have been some some cross-breeding going on. And it may be that Nefertita herself

was a Mayan princess. She was said to have come from a foreign land. And, you know, that was Akhton's wife. Right. And then King Tutankhamun was their son. Right. And his original name was Tutank Otten after the

Attenis. In fact, his throne says Tutank Otten on it. But he had to change it to Amman. because the almond priesthood took over at that point. So we've got the arcs transmitting energy. I subscribe to the pyramid power plant theory. Yeah, if you were to put one of those arcs in there and turn it on, I mean, even without adding, you know, chemicals and everything else to create that energy

as is the theory. Even beyond all that, the granite in there is paezoelectric. That's the rose granite. Right, the rose granite. So that pressure is put on it, it produces electricity. It's in the middle of the desert. The pyramid itself is a giant

static, electrostatic capacitor. If you stand on top of the pyramid and you take a bottle with a wet rag on it and hold it up sparks or going to be shooting off the top of it just because it's already building up static electricity. But then if you put an arc in the center of it, with this monoatomic substance, this superconductive substance is going to really generate a lot of power. And you throw a gold capstone on top. Yeah, of course. It's just going to transmit it throughout the region. And really, I think,

I think there's some theories that Nicola Tesla, when he was developing his... Wardencliff. Wardencliff Tower and all of his research he was doing in Colorado Springs, Colorado. He was trying to mimic this process. Sure. I mean, he built Warden Cliff on top of an aquifer. Correct. Just like Giza.

Right. Just like Giza. Yep. Here's where I get tripped up is I can buy into that the fact that, the fact that, that there's electricity flowing around the ancient world, but what were they powering? I think they were powering the same things we power today. I think by some accounts,

the Earth was as populated and was advanced as it is today. That's a big claim. It's a huge claim. I'm willing to make it because there is evidence for that. There's even evidence of nuclear detonations in the ancient world. at places like Mohanjadaro and Harappa, even on Easter Island. And by the way, this is something you never hear about.

So Mohanjadaro and Harappa in India, there was a script that was found. The only other place we find that exact same script is on Easter Island, which is on the exact opposite side of the globe. Right. You know, so there was clearly a worldwide, advanced civilization that was going on.

Harry Truman, when he wrote in his diary entry, by the way, Harry Truman was a past grandmaster of Missouri for Freemasonry. He was a 33rd degree Freemason, and he was a Templar. And when he wrote in his diary entry about the discovering of the atomic bomb, he says, we have discovered an ancient weapon. I didn't know he said that.

Yeah, those were his exact words. We have discovered an ancient weapon. And these texts you're talking about, they do talk about a sky filled with fire. Absolutely. Oppenheimer was a Sanskrit scholar. Yes. That's why when he said, I've become death, the destroyer of worlds. That's directly from the Mahabharata.

Yes. And books like the Ramayana, the Mahabharata, they say things like, it talks about atomic detonations. It says, Gurka, flying his powerful Vamana, hurled a single projectile with all the power of the universe. It was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrychnies and Ankadas. A pottery broke without apparent cause. Elephants burst into flame and ran madly. The birds croaked madly.

after a few days that passed over all food stuff became infected hair and nails began to fall out sounds like radiation poisoning

the soldiers threw themselves in the streams to wash themselves on their equipment oh clouds roared upward showering gravel

I mean these were all the descriptions of this weapon and by the way the Vamanas were these flying craft you know So this is an ancient text.

These were things that the Nazis were studying, that Anenirba were studying to try to develop this. When they were developing their B2 program, that Oppenheimer, or that, yeah, was in charge of. And then he was brought over to establish the NASA program for the... Von Braun. Von Braun.

Yeah, Werner von Braun, sorry, not Oppenheim. Brenner von Braun, he was in charge of the V2 program. He was brought over to develop Saturn 5 for NASA. But again, we're talking about ancient technology. And there is plenty of evidence of this around the ancient world. And it's mentioned in the text,

the ancient texts. So I think the world was a lot more advanced than anyone's willing to talk about. I think there was this mass cataclysm. I mean, just like today, most of the major cities were on the coasts. As sea levels rose 300 feet, it just erased everything. And then all that was left over was the myths and some areas of survival. One of the things that we point out when we go to Egypt, for example,

We do the tours in Egypt, and this is not a well-known or popular theory, but we believe that the Valley of the Kings, for example, was originally survival bunkers. Because most people think of them as just these tombs built into the cliff sides, but what they don't realize is all those tombs are connected by these tunnels that go deep down into the earth where they're all connected and it would have taken

thousands of people to carve out all these tunnels and if you were a pharaoh and you're trying to find a place to hide yourself where you're buried, you're certainly not going to hire thousands of workers to create a bunch of tunnels so that you could be buried down there. I mean, the secret would have gotten out right away.

So we've... believe that from a Templar perspective that the pharaohs wanted to be buried at the place where their ancestors originally came out after the cataclysm. And so the other thing that these pharaohs did is they, in their tombs, they tried to preserve the knowledge of that civilization prior to the cataclysm. And so we show, for example, in certain tombs where there's these tall men with red beards that have baby woolly mammoths and giant slaws on leashes

like pre-ice age animal pre-ice-age animals that the Egyptians shouldn't even note about and there they are carved in the tomb being preserved by the pharaoh why would he want to preserve that in his tomb in that area Is that public or is that something that you've seen? It's something I've seen. I mean, I can show the photos of it.

But, I mean, that's one of the things we show when we go on these tours, you know, so people can see it. Your tour will go in there? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We show it. Because the Tomb of the Kings, that network theory, that's disputed. But have you seen that network? Oh, yeah. Well, they have it.

They have, yeah, that entire tunnel network is they actually, when you go into the entrance of the valley of the Kings, they have a model of it for the public to see. Oh my goodness. It looks like a giant ant farm underneath there. And some of them go down, you know, two, 300 feet down into the, the, the, in there. Why did they even have these tunnels for, for their tombs? It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't.

It makes sense if you understand those were survival bunkers. It makes me think of the underground city, Darren Cuyu, in Turkey. Same type of deal. Exactly. Yep, exactly the same to be. And for that matter, and this is another Templar-related thing, one of the things that the order also discovered when it first went to Egypt is that there were these massive tunnel networks that existed between Giza and Sakara. All right?

Sakara is where the step pyramid of Zozzer is. that word Sakara is actually where we get the word sacred from. Okay. But there are tunnels that stretch that whole way, large tunnels. That area, that underground in the ancient Egyptian language was known as Rastau, which just meant underworld. When the Templars discovered this, they brought that knowledge back. with them and they transliterated the Egyptian Rostow into the Latin language they're familiar

with. So Ross became rose and tau became cross. Oh my goodness. So they adopted the symbol of the Rose Cross to talk about the secret underground area of Egypt. And then when they went and set up the cathedrals, when they started building the cathedral, of Europe and they were bringing back this Egyptian knowledge and they were trying to set up the cathedrals in the same manner of the Egyptian temples

and they they put their alchemical knowledge like you could go to Notre Dame Cathedral the front doors of Notre Dame Cathedral they have all the stages of alchemy depicted which nobody knew at that time except for groups like the Sabians and the Druze and the Middle East so it's very clear that Templars were associated with them and bringing this knowledge back. But they set up the cathedral, so if you view them from the sky,

their crosses, but then they put the rose windows in them, right, to make them rose crosses. Right. Ross Tao, that knowledge from Egypt, from the underworld of Egypt. So the Rosicrucians are the followers of...

Correct. Yeah, so the Templar Order, when they created the Rosicrucian order in Germany, that symbol of the Rosecross, was really was just pointing back to the Rostow, the underworld of Egypt.

And this is also why they also brought over, they put the black madonnas in the crypts of the cathedrals. This was hearkening back to the temple of ISIS where they had their grand commandery in Egypt, where they saw, they had the granite or the basalt statues of ISIS

with the young child Horace on her lap that was you know it was black basalt in ancient Egypt so they just recreated that image and painted it black and put it in the crypts of the cathedrals where they're holding their secret initiation ceremonies

and it was it was to harken back to that origin in Egypt and there was a lot of things like that I mean another example is the Laphime, right? They were accused of worshipping this ram-headed figure, right? Well, what that ram-headed figure was is it was actually the god Amun of ancient Egypt, which was where we get the word Amen from. Yeah.

And it was, it was a ram because it was created during the age of Ares. All that Egyptian stuff was largely created during the age of the, the age of Aries. Judaism came out of that age of Aries, which is why they, you know, they use all this shepherd metaphor and the, and you'll see the rabbi with their, their locks that are made to look like lamb. Yeah. Lamb ears, you know.

And, um, but the, um, that word baphomay, it actually comes from. from ancient Egyptian. Ba meant soul. Fa meant from. And Maat meant universal order. So it was literally the soul from the universal order. Or, you know, and that was baphomat. But it was a figure of the god Amun.

And he was a ram because what sound does a ram make? bah ba that oh yeah which means soul right so and you'll see this to um if you go to Karnak for example

there's a row of sphinxes and as you're going into the into Karnak you'll see all these ram-headed sphinxes because that again the ram was Amun

but then he had they have ram heads but they have lion bodies. And the reason for this is the lion represented the age of Leo, where the Egyptian civilization came out of. Sure. But then the

temple was being created during the age of Ares, which was the rain. Right? So that's what they were saying. They were saying, look, we're creating this temple now during the age of Ares. How far back would that take us? Well, so

the age of Leo was during the Younger Dryest Cataclysm. Of course, so. And that's when the sinks was built. Right. Right. It was during that time. Facing Leo.

Facing Leo on the horizon. Yeah. So it was saying, look, our foundations that we came out of was during the age of Leo, during the cataclysm, the younger driest cataclysm. We are now practicing under the age of Ares. You know, so the God, Amun is depicted as a... a ram for that reason. And the ram, of course, says bah, which is the soul. Let's talk a little bit about the controversial stuff regarding religious artifacts. Sure, absolutely. I don't, I mean,

I've been following you for a long time. I don't think you can get away from these anymore. No, no, no, let's do it. I don't know. Do you want to, I might be more comfortable you telling what you found than me putting words in your mouth. Absolutely. Sounds good. So, The Timbler Order found a number of artifacts as they were digging in Jerusalem and in Egypt. They found these arcs that we talked about, six arcs in particular, six arcs that they captured. They brought back up through into Lebanon for a while and then into France. and into Portugal and into Scotland. And from there, they brought them over to the New World.

So they were traveling over to the Americas. They actually had by the time the order was suppressed, by 1314, they had already mapped all of North America. Sure. They hid, they were trading with the Mayans. In fact, if you go to Rosalun Chapel, which was completed by 1420. I do want to talk about that.

There's a stained glass window that has American corn and aloe cactus depicted on it. Yes. But it also has Mayan pyramids. I did not see those. Yeah. So the corn is coming out of these Mayan pyramids. Right. We shouldn't be there.

No, they shouldn't. But they're very clearly Mayan pyramids. And it's because the Templars were trading with the Mayans. and that's a whole other story. When we do a tour down into Mexico, we meet with the Mayans. Still, to this day, they still put the equal armed cross

of the Templars on their altars. And we still have the same secret grips and everything that we do. But that's a whole other topic. But it is, but we need to sidetrack for that for just a second because to support that theory that the Templars were trading with the new world, can you tell the story?

story about Columbus. Oh, yeah. So Columbus was a, he was a free lancer. A bit of a rogue. Rogue. He actually, he caught wind of the fact that there was land on the other side of the Atlantic.

To the day he died, he still thought it was India. He didn't realize it was a different culture. But he you know, he figured this out. And then he went and he pulled the daughter of one of the Templar Grandmasters out of a convent, married her to try to get

Templar maps and knowledge. And then once he was able to get that, he then went to the King of Portugal and said, fund me to go to the New World. You know, there's land across the ocean. and there are sacred artifacts that were moved there,

and I'm going to go get them for you. And, of course, the king of Portugal was like, we don't need you because Portugal was actually founded as a Templar state. Right. And when the Templars were suppressed, they just changed their name and continued to be the seafaring, you know, like Vasco da Gamma was a Templar Grandmaster, you know,

of Portugal, you know, so there was, they were already still exploring all over as Templars. They just changed their name to the Knights of Christ. Right. They already knew there was land on the other side. So he said, we're not going to, we're not going to help you, Columbus. So Columbus went to the enemy of Portugal, which was Spain. And he sold Queen Isabella on the idea of, look, not only is there land on the other side, but put all these sacred artifacts were brought there including these arcs and everything

else, I'm going to go get them for you. And so she funded him and this is the real reason why he put the Templar Cross on his boat because he knew that the natives would

recognize it when he got there. He knew that the Templars were already traveling over there. And friendly. And friendly. Yeah, I already friendly relations. So it was very easy for him to go in. You know, when the natives saw the Templar Cross, they were like, oh, it's our buddies. You know, but then Columbus went in and started enslaving

them, bringing him back and, you know, he was terrible about it. So that's the real story behind Columbus. And it's the reason why Columbus and the Spanish that came over afterwards, originally they were looking for these holy artifacts that the Templars had brought over. They knew the Templars had them over. They knew they had associations with the natives. So they had to be somewhere. And then it just turned into a lust for gold, you know, after that.

But the Spanish clearly had an interest in the supernatural elements by going after the fountain of youth and the St. Of course. That's exactly right. Yeah. But it was all tied into these kind of grail. legends, you know, that were tied in with these artifacts. And the Templars did. They did bring these artifacts like the arcs.

So this kind of goes back into the artifacts. They brought these arcs and other things over to the new world. And they did establish relations with certain tribes who helped to protect and continue to this day to protect. and preserve them. So we have a series of vaults that we set up to hide these artifacts in.

And some of the other artifacts... Now, I have to ask you, where are the vaults? I can't tell you that. So, folks, he's not going to tell us. But I will say that there was originally seven vaults. There's only two now. So since you can't say where they are, can you describe what they look like?

Are they guarded? Are they climate controlled? What is a vault like? It's just like a big underground vault that was originally covered over with cement made of like crushed lime and shells and then dirt and just buried, you know, it's buried in specific areas. Are they guarded or are they hit or hidden? I'll say, I'll tell you this. I'll say, I can tell you this much. One of the vaults is in Washington, D.S.

Wow. I have not heard you say that before. Yeah, I have never said it before. But it's at an area that I think most people wouldn't expect. And it's on National Park property. I might want to slow you down there. Well, there's no way for people to get to it. So that it's protected. And even the Park Service doesn't even know it's there. I mean, we have people who watch it and make sure it's You know, not being broken into, but it's in an area people wouldn't expect. We're not trusting the American government for security. No. Okay. No. Okay. No way.

So, but it is in Washington, D.C. Okay. The other, the other vault is actually in Montana. Okay. At an area in Montana, which we haven't said before either. But in fact, Lewis and Clark, when they did their excursions, When they were doing their trip up there, one of the things they were checking on was that vault.

When Jefferson sent them up there, they were checking on that vault. That was one of the things they were checking on as part of their mission. Jefferson and Mason? He was a Templar. He was a Templar. Yeah.

So he would, you knew. Correct. And there's some speculation he was also a Mason. Okay. I mean, there are no, that's debated because there's no records of his initiation, but when he died, there was a Masonic funeral held for him. He was known to have also attended the Lodge of Nine Muses in France, which he wouldn't have been allowed to do unless he was a Mason.

He had nephews who were named after him, who were all Freemasons. And there were Masonic codes that were found amongst his writings. He wouldn't have known all that unless he was involved. And he was a Templar. And, of course, when Lewis and Clark were sent, they were masons, and they were trading aprons with some of the tribes. why would that be?

It's because those connections were already established centuries before. In fact, any time you encounter a tribe that uses the red equal-arm cross or the cross of Lorraine, which is archaeologists say, oh, is their way of depicting a firefly, or not a dragonfly? Well, no, it wasn't. It was actually a cross of Lorraine because it was a Templar symbol. So these were all tribes that had established connections with the Templars already.

And so anyhow, one of these tribes continues to protect one of the vaults up in Montana. So those connections are still there. But at one point in time, there used to be seven vaults, one of which was actually on Oak Island. That's what the whole Oak Island mystery is. But we cleared that out in 1765. This is going to be a bummer for people who watch the show. But our records say we cleared that out in 1765 in preparation for the American Revolutionary War.

Because we already knew that we were going to have to do that war to establish the United States as a free state. And from England, where these freedoms could be perpetuated. and Benjamin Franklin was actually one of the people in charge of making sure that vault was cleared out to gain the money and resources. A lot of the gold had to be melted down to be used to fund the revolution. So that was a whole other thing. So there were other than the arcs, there were other artifacts. One of the things that was discovered in East Jerusalem

in the area is, it's now referred to as the Talpiet tomb. There was a tomb in East Jerusalem that was discovered that had ossuaries in it. These ossuaries contain the bones, Jesus, Mary Magdalene, John the Baptist, and their children. and I say their children because it was also, it was

according to our records, Templar Records, Jesus was married, or I'm sorry, Mary Magdalene was married to John the Baptist prior to Jesus and that they had children. And when John the Baptist died, he was killed, Jesus then took on the responsibilities of John the Baptist. is John was the earlier Messiah. Right, exactly. And Mary was the financier.

She was a very rich woman. In fact, her name, Magdalene comes from Magdalene, which meant tower. And she was the woman of this tower. She had a lot of wealth. And so she was funding John the Baptist, and he was meant to be the original

Messiah figure. And then when he was killed, Jesus took on that role. I want to ask you about that. I want to set this up just for those listening because it's an extraordinary claim. In 1945, the gospel of Philip was found in ancient Egypt, which Mary Magdalene has featured very heavily and considered Jesus' favorite disciple. Right. There's even a passage of them kissing. Right.

Yeah, he used to kiss her on the mouth. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, and these were, and by the way, again, when the Templars were doing all that research in Egypt a thousand years ago, they discovered some of these clay jars. Natchamundi, where, you know, all the Natchamundi scrolls were found. Right. That's about five minutes from the Valley of the Kings. It's right next to it.

People don't realize it is right there. I didn't know that. And so all of that research that the Templars were doing in Luxor, which is just right outside of the Valley of the Kings, and then they were going into these tombs in the Valley of Kings. They were going into that whole area of Natchamundi, and they found some of these texts, which is also part of the...

what they brought over to the new world. And it supported their Gnostic belief system that the temples were secretly practicing at the time. And Gnosticism is... So it comes from the word nosis, which means divine revelatory knowledge. And it was the belief that anybody, through their own efforts,

could tap into this universal consciousness that was referred to as the Christo. And so rather than Christ being the last name of Jesus, like I think many people think Jesus Christ, it's like his last name. Jesus, when he was speaking as the Christ, he was speaking as this universal consciousness. It could be argued that he was an Gnostic in a sort of way.

100%. And not only that, but according to our Templar belief, Mary Magdalene was quite possibly a priestess of the ISIS tradition of Egypt. And Mary Magdalene represented what was known as the Sophia, which was wisdom, the goddess of wisdom. And according to the early Gnostic tradition, Sophia was the bride of...

the Christ. Just like Mary Magdalene was the bride of Jesus. So Jesus represented the Christos. Mary Magdalene represented the Sophia. And their story was really the story of the journey, the spiritual journey of every person who incarnates on this planet, who is a soul, who incarnates in the matter, who gets lost in it,

eventually works their way out of it. They come to marry or unite with universal consciousness, and that's where the escape is from this prison planet. Sure. Or are we here to learn, have experiences, and bring it back to the Christos. Exactly, exactly, yep. So that's Gnosticism in a real nutshell.

I mean, there was a belief. The Gnostics believe that, that this prison is, this planet is a prison planet until you wake up. And then once you wake up, you can choose to incarnate back here to help wake other people up, to help other people escape the cave,

you know, from the Plato metaphor. Or you could choose to just continue to reincarnate to have experiences, or you could also choose to not reincarnate anymore and to exist in a different realm of light that's beyond this dimension. Well, we have got about 10 minutes left for the next break and I want to get into Gnosticism, alchemy

and all of that emerald tablet. But let's finish up with the bones. Where did you find them? How do we know? So the Templar Order, they've discovered this tomb, clear back during the Crusades that was known as the Talpia tomb and they removed all the bones

from these ossuaries and they took them they again same routes they brought them into Paris into Scotland and eventually over into the New World and they put them in these vaults and then back in the 1980s this tomb

was rediscovered where they found the boxes, the ossuaries, that had the names on them, but the bones were missing. And it's because the bones had already been removed clear back during the Middle Ages. And not only were the bones removed at that time, but the Templars put three skulls in the east, the west, and the south of the tomb.

It's kind of symbolic guardians of the tomb. And they buried it under a rose garden. So it was under the rose. And that's really where that term subrosa comes from. That's beautiful. Which was the secret, yeah, secret knowledge, you know. So why not test the bones? Why not release that information?

We haven't had the technology to do that until recently. Right. So now we do. So now we do. So the hope is we've been hanging on to these things for centuries now. We're finally at a point where not only do we have the technology to test them, but we have the technology to reveal them all to the world at once. How much responsibility and weight do you feel about that?

Quite a bit, but it's time. you know we've always been wanting to get build up to this time where we could have a world community where people have the freedom to explore other ideas uh where and for the last 40 years we've been trying to get information out there to break down the conditioning because people have all kinds of cultural conditioning and beliefs well jesus resurrected bodily to heaven so this Yeah, so this interferes with that idea. But again, remember, that's a conditioning that the church has perpetuated. From a Gnostic's standpoint, the Gnostics believes in reincarnation.

True. So it's not a problem for the idea that Jesus could have died and could reincarnate. I have quite a few people in my audience who are uncomfortable with this story. Sure. can you put them at ease? Sure, absolutely. So another example of this in the Bible of reincarnation, beyond the idea of being born again, right?

Everyone thinks born again is the symbolic thing. Well, not necessarily. It could literally mean being born again. But there's also passages like in the standard gospel, like when the disciples go to, there's a great passage where the disciples go to Jesus and they say, Jesus, the people are saying that the prophet Elias has returned

and Elias is just the Greek word for Elijah, right? So the Hebrew Elijah is the Greek Elias. Elijah, by the way, also went bodily to heaven. Correct. But it says, people are saying that the prophet Elias or Elijah has returned and Jesus says he has but it's in a new form that the people don't fully recognize yet and then it says then the disciples understood he was talking about John the Baptist well we know who John the Baptist parents were so that means if Elijah is returning as John the Baptist it has to be he's reincarnating. Right.

Right. So there's an example right there in the New Testament of reincarnation. I would assume that the Vatican does not like any of this? No, no, no, no, no, because the Vatican would rather have you believe you have one life. And the only way to get to heaven is through them. Right, right, which is a good business. Sure. Right?

I mean, and if, and it also, they'll also have you believe that it doesn't matter what sins you commit. But if you believe in Jesus, you know, you do the crime, Jesus will do the time. That's right. So you can still get to heaven. Whereas the Gnostics said, no, you are personally responsible for your own salvation. And your salvation comes from awakening. and that part of that awakening is to your own personal responsibility. So you do the crime, you know, you do the penance to make up for the crime.

Last question, I'm going to put you on the spot a little bit. Yeah. From what I understand, to be a Mason in your 32 to 32 degree, to be initiated, you need to believe in higher power. Correct. Do you? Absolutely. 100%. I believe in God.

or source or Allah or whatever you want to call it. The great source? The great source, the origin. And from a Gnost, I consider myself a Gnostic. We believe that the supreme God comes from a realm of light that is beyond this matter, but there's a seed of that light within everybody. and part of what Jesus came back to do was he was a great exemplar.

He wasn't coming as a savior. He was coming to give the example of how to live and how to bring that light outside of ourselves so that we can, and that by the way, that light is within everybody of all faiths, of all religions. And all religions were started through a Gnostic experience, a revelation. Certainly.

And so then that person became the prophet that started those religions, but that they're all telling the same story and they're all pointing to the same source. And we are all connected by that light. And this is why the Templars believed in freedoms come from God. And they come from that.

source and that this is why they also believed in democracy sure right because it's inherently within us and so we all have that right to have a say so when Jesus was performing miracles yeah and he said very barely I said to you those these miracles you see me perform ye shall do also right greater than these he was being an exemplar right and that we all have that potential within us we all have the potential to heal. We all have the potential to awaken to this higher consciousness. And that would be sort of my message to anyone who's uncomfortable with this is, Jesus, I think, gave us a great gift with what he's passed down. And with the Templars

continuing that message. Let's take one last break and then got to talk about Atlantis. I'm so excited. Cool. Yeah, let's do it. I've been following your work for a long time. You know I'm a fan. Just to tell the audience, when I did my Knights Templar episode, Tim was kind enough to trade a few emails with me and really enlighten me in a lot of things. And I've been a fan ever since, because this is a very, very kind man. No matter, you could believe his claims, you don't have to believe them. This is a storytelling podcast. I love this story. And one of my favorite stories of all is Atlantis, Ononaki, and all of that.

Watching you contribute with Randall Carlson has been very exciting. Randall's great. So Atlantis, what's your take on it? Yeah, so definitely from a Templar perspective, we believe that the Templar story is, look, Atlantis was this advanced civilization. It was a worldwide network. There's some debate about where that center of activity was.

Randall certainly believes it was in the Azores. For a long time, the Templar Order believed it was in the Azores. In fact, that's the whole reason why Portugal is in control of the Azores, right? Because Portugal again was founded as a Templar state initially. Sure. And so that was all part of that. I think some of Plato's writings lines up with that. It does. It does.

And Randall does a great job of showing all that. Um, but, you know, when it collapsed, uh, we believe it was right when Plato said it was, which was 9,000 years before him, which was right at the younger Darius cataclysm. Sure. Uh, we know that the ice shelves, there's three miles of ice, um, that, that went from the north pole all the way down to Chicago in the north, North, North America. You also found this in Europe, and it all melted rapidly. You believe in the impact theory?

Yeah, I do. I do. I think, so, you know, there's two theories out there. One is that it was solar flare. Robert Shock suggests that. The other is that it was more of a comet fragments that broke up and hit the ice sheets. Graham Hancock certainly pushes that one. I'm torn, but I...

It could be both. I used to work for the space labs up in Boulder, Colorado, and we created a satellite that was called the Advanced Composition Explorer satellite or the ACE satellite. It still exists. It sits at what's known as the L1 point between where the gravity of the Earth and the gravity of the sun is equal. So it just sits there in space and it looks at the sun 24-7. Right. The range points? Yeah.

And it's what's looking for is solar flares so that we have an early warning detection system. Those terrify me. Right. Because we could, in all probability, we may have another, there was a Carrington event back in the 1800s. Yep. And it just fried all, there was a solar flare, fried all the cable, the telegraph cables. Sure. Set them on fire, electrocuted operators.

But that was pretty much the extent of it. Right. I mean, there wasn't an infrastructure based on a, electricity back then. If that same event were to happen today, the government estimates that within two months, 80% of the population will be dead. No question.

Because everything we depend on, I mean, you're not going to be able to use your computers, your phones, your cars, uh, everything, pumps that pump water and sewage, those will stop working. Uh, it'll be a mess, right?

And it will happen at some point. Sure. What we found, though, also when I was working there at the space labs, is when we enter into areas where there's more cosmic debris that's hitting the earth, that same debris is going into the sun, which is also fueling more solar flares. Right. So it could be both. You know, we could have had these cosmic fliers.

fragments that were hitting the ice caps, and they were also going into the sun, triggering more solar flares at the same time. So it doesn't have to be one or the other. It could be both. But what we do know is, regardless of what was triggering it the most, at the younger dry, it was melting the ice caps rapidly. Sea levels rose 300 feet. this is the reason why, for example, this would form the Great Lakes in the United States. It's what the separation of like England

from the rest of Europe, for example, that English Channel, that's when that was formed. You can look at the bottom of the English Channel this day. There's still the foundations of houses down there because that was all above water. I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. Okay.

So it's all, you know, it just caused mass flooding, mass cataclysm. And if there was a civilization as advanced as we are today, there's nothing of it that would have survived. If the same thing were to happen today, there's nothing we've created that would have survived 10,000 years from now. So from a Templar perspective, what happened was, the cataclysm occurred in stages. And the Atlantic,

because it's called them the Atlanteans, they sent out pockets of survival into certain places where they tried to bring their technology and their knowledge where it could be preserved. Did they know that this was coming? They knew it was coming on some level

and they couldn't stop it. Right. And, you know, according to Plato, they were greedy and whatever else. And so their selfishness and their narcissism led to them, you know, fighting with each other to not be able to develop what they needed to do to survive it anyways. But he might have added that. He might have added that.

Yeah, it's a moral statement. Yeah, of course. So. Because there's always a moral story, but under it is also hidden deeper truths. You find that. the story of Noah too. To give an example, in the story of Noah, the earth is obsessed with its

physical senses. Along comes a flood, right? And then Noah lets birds go into the air to test if there's land somewhere. Eventually, after 40 days and 40 nights, he lands on Mount Ararat and he makes a burnt

sacrifice to God. Well, these stages correspond to alchemical stages of earth is associated with physical association, water was associated with emotions, and it was kind of the next stage of alchemical work was associated with digestion. Air was the next stage, which we'll let birds go into the air, and then fire was the last stage and calcination and Mount an Errat is a Sanskrit word that means illuminated one right so so contained within this story of this cataclysm was

actually this also this the secret science right of awakening and so that's what these ancient myths used to do, they used to they used to incorporate both sacred knowledge and history, but in a story, you know, that could be, any child could, you know,

enjoy, you know. So, but there were, but because there were all these myths, these same flood myths all over the world, I mean, the tumblers figured that out pretty quick, so they figured out There must be something to this. And so the Templar Order, according to the secret tradition, the Temple Order was secretly founded to go regain the technologies and any lost knowledge that was being preserved from this pre-Diluvian civilization. Did they find any? They did.

They found, well, they found the arcs. They found manuscripts and they found secret knowledge. and more importantly, they found that the initiation rights that they were passing on, which involved amongst other things a symbolic death or killing of a candidate and raising them back from the dead, which represented not only the person dying to their old self and waking up to their new self, but it also represented that civilization that had collapsed

and then needed to be raised again. But there was a secret hand grip that was given during this raising, and they found that this secret initiation ceremony was being preserved in the same manner all over the world, ancient world at certain areas. the ancient Egyptians were practicing it, the Mayans were practicing it, the Druze were practicing it.

Even though they're supposed to have no contact. Even though they were supposed to have no contact with you. It was the exact same initiation ceremony and the exact same secret handshake. Did those ceremonies involve alchemy? They did, yeah. So alchemy was another big part of it, right? Because alchemy was the, this was believed to be

the science of Atlantis. The colors of Atlantis were black, red, and white, which are the colors of the alchemical process. Literally the transformations that go from black to red to white. Right. When you're doing the alchemical work. And... What are the colors of the Knights Templar?

Black, red, and white. What are the colors of the flag of Egypt? Black, red, and white. What were the colors of ink? in Egypt, black, red and white. Yeah, you know. Amazing. Yeah, I mean, it was all the same thing. And the, um, so, and it was all

in the science of alchemy, which by the way, comes from the word alchem, or alchemit, chem or chemit was the ancient name for Egypt. So it was the land, the land of Kim or the lamb of Kemit was this land, that was preserving this knowledge. And so alchemy comes from that. And the Templars were figuring this out.

They were passing it on. There were three main stages in the alchemical process. The first was digestion, where you took whatever you were working on, whether it be a metal or an herb, and you put it in a liquid that would break it down. This was also associated with baptism. It was called baptism by water.

All right. After which it would change and it would turn black. When it did this, it was known as kapit mortum, which means deadhead. All right, so let's talk about John the Baptist for a minute. What did he do? baptized with water and then what happened to him? That is head cut off. Dead head

could put mortum, right? First stage of the alchemical process. Then the next stage was distillation where the liquid you would heat it and it would turn into a steam and then you could collect that steam and it would have within it the volatile chemicals whether it be oils from an herb

or oils from a from like a gold chloride or something you know and a a metal that had been broken down by acids as opposed to by water or alcohol so that was the second stage associated with air and it was always represented by birds

and alchemical texts and then the last stage was calcination refire where you burnt the original material down to its ashes and you extract the secret salts out of them, which was the hidden mana or these monoatomics. Yep. Right? And then you could combine these processes together to create this new elixir that was more potent than the original thing you started with, right? And that's how you create all medicines are created this way. But all metallic transmutations are created this way too.

So, and the original thing you were working on was associated with Earth. The digestion was associated with water or liquids. The distillation was associated with air. And then calcination was associated with fire. And these were the, You started with Earth, and then you went to liquid, gas, and plasma states, basically. And this was all part of the alchemical process. And you find this, even in the myths of Osiris, the god Osiris, in the story, in this story,

he's, first he's depicted as green, which represented green vegetation. he's chopped up, he's thrown into the Nile, which is the water stage. Right, right. Isis then goes to find him. She turns herself into a bird, starts flying around him. That was distillation. That was the air stage.

And then she lights oil lamps and incense, puts them back together, and raises them. Right? to a new form. Right. Well, that's the alchemical process. Sure. It's the same with the story of Noah.

Earth is obsessed with its physical senses. Along comes a flood, water. He lets go birds. Distillation. He lands on Mount Ararat, makes a burnt sacrifice to God, calcination.

It's the same science being depicted in all of these ancient texts and the people that were passing on these stories were preserving these alchemical sciences. Well, you said something really interesting that, so we have white, black, and red.

I believe those are the color stages of the philosopher's stone. Correct. Yeah, yeah, that's right. So the philosopher's stone was just you go through those stages of the... So technically the entire alchemical process,

it turns black, red, white, and then black, red, white, and then black, black, red, white, and again and then black, red, white a third time. And then you're basically, you've purified it these different ways and extracted what you needed at each stage to create this philosopher's story. Sure. That was the idea behind it. And before people roll your eyes, Isaac Newton spent most of his time pursuing this.

85% of everything Newton wrote on had to do with alchemy. Yeah. You know, I mean, it was just the 15% was on gravity. or whatever. But even that was tied into alchemy. He was noticing that there were under the, you know, when he zoomed down on the elements and metals, he found that there was these secret forces that were acting, you know, which we now recognize as like covalent bonds and stuff that were forming between things. But there were these secret forces that were, were, that he see under the microscope.

And he also saw those same same secret forces happening between the planets above. So he's rationalized according to the Emerald Tablet as above so below that there was a force that was happening that was happening both on the upper and on the lower. And he was trying to understand what that force was. And so that's how he developed gravity. Wasn't he working off a translation of the Emerald Tap? Yeah, yeah. In fact, he had his own translation of it. He has it in my book, Alchemical Cues to Masonic Ritual,

I actually have Isaac Newton's translation of the general tablet in it. I love to read that. It's also in my book, a novel clavis esoteric. We'll put all that stuff up. But it's, yeah, that's what Newton was doing. And by the way, there's a, in that stage of the alchemical process, there's a certain point where, Whether you're working with metals like gold or whether you're working with herbs,

where you are trying to extract the secret salts out that's hidden mana, these monoatomics, there's a certain point where it turns yellow, very yellow, and it looks like piss. Yes. And the alchemist called this the alchemist urine. I mean, this is part of the legend. So this is why everyone thought that you were had to extract it out of urine. That's what I thought. Right.

But it's not actual urine. It's philosophical urine. It's the alchemists described what things looked like, not what they actually were. So it looked like urine. So they called it urine. Or the same reason why they called. when they first started digesting an herb and it would start to turn reddish, they called it menstruum. But it wasn't actual menstruum.

So it wasn't, and I watched your great episode on the Emerald Tablet and the Discovery Phosphorus and that came out of that. But it was, the true urine had nothing to do with urine. Thank goodness. It had to do with, it looked like urine. So all those people on those forums that were collecting their urine, they made a terrible mistake. Terrible mistake. Yeah, I mean, there's, and there are some people that believe that their, you know, their pineal glands excreting, you know, melatonin, but also dimethyl-tripling, the DMT. Sure. And that it gets collected in the urine so that they could extract that out of the urine.

Oh, I never heard that. I'm not going to try that one. But that's not, I would not recommend that. I mean, the true urine that the alchemists were referring to is, it's a stage in the process where it does. It looks like urine. But it's not really urine. That's just what it looks like.

Who found the emerald tablet and does that connect to the Templars? So that, well, originally the emerald tablet was said to be found. So it was written by Hermes or Hermes, Majestis, Hermes the thrice great. And it was said to be discovered in... Let's stop there for just a second. Because Hermes Hermes Tres Magistus, so that's Hermes and I think and Osiris together, yes?

Well, it's kind of, it's kind of... So the story of Osiris, as I just mentioned, was an alchemical metaphor. It was also the story of Atlantis, right? where it was originally it was the civilization, it got chopped up, sent out ISIS, which by the way, her name means

throne or power. Osiris's name in Egyptian is Osar. It was the Greek that named him Osiris. But his original name in ancient Egyptian is Osar. And the us part

of it means ISIS. It means throne. That's where the power comes from. Right. And then the Tsar was his part. By the way, Tsar is where we get the word sir and sire from. Okay.

But the throne was ISIS. So the seat of power was ISIS. So she goes and collects the pieces, brings them back together, resurrects them. and that's the story of Egypt. Right.

And Hermes is the god of writing and knowledge. Right, writing knowledge. In ancient Egyptian, he was Tooth or Tohudi. Right, Thoth, yes. Yep. So, and by the way, that story of Osiris also symbolically represented from a Gnostic standpoint.

It represents the path that we all go through where we come into this world, we incarnate, we see everything in pieces. They're as separate. And it's only when we're able to put them all back together again into the oneness that we have the understanding of that we're all a part of this universal intelligence. This is why I need you here for eight hours. Yeah. So that's another side.

But so the Osias myth represented all these things, right? Right. And the pharaohs used to go through an initiation right where they would be symbolically killed, like Osiris, and then brought back. And by the way, this is what Templars believe Jesus was doing with Lazarus. He was initiating him. Because in Hebrew, Lazarus is El Asur. Well, L.Azur, well, L. is the Egyptian article. for God, and Asur was the ancient Egyptian name for the God Osiris. And he was raised in Bethany, or in Hebrew, Betanu. Beth means house in Hebrew, and Anu was the ancient Egyptian abode of the dead. Right.

So you literally had Jesus raising the God Osiris in the house of the dead, which was either a metaphor or it was an initiation right. And we think it was an initiation right because Templars continue to do that same initiation. right. And we're not the only ones. The Mayans continue to this day, do that same initiation right. And you're raised by the same grip, the same hand grip. That's how when the Templars went over and met with the Mayans, they were able to give them this hand grip.

And they recognized it. Yep. The Hopi, they recognized this same hand grip. They say this hand grip was given to them right before the first initiative. last shaking of the earth. And it was given so that everyone, all the high priesthoods, this high shaman would all recognize

each other again. That's fascinating. We came back together. Because the hope you also have a legend about the ant people coming out of the caves. That's right. Who had brought them underground right before the shaking of the earth. Yes. Yes. The same cataclysmic myths. But

the droos of Lebanon, they have this same grip that they're giving in their initiations. The Sufi have this same grip. The same grip can be found within the Kabbalistic traditions of the Judaic Kabbalistic traditions. So it's, and it is all associated with this symbolic death in raising ritual. And the fact that all these different cultures separated are practicing it and have the

exact same grip, suggested it all goes back to the same source. I was down in the Yucatan years ago and I was meeting with the Mayan and we give this grip to this day. I still participate when we do our tours

allow them to participate in these ceremonies down there. And the Mayans will do these ceremonies for us because of my association with them. and but they had these, they took me to this, they had recently taken apart this pyramid in order to use the stones to build fencing

which is kind of a sad commentary. It is. You know, but when they disassembled the pyramid, they found all these artifacts in them that they kind of put into a mobile home unit and turned it into a museum. And the figures are performing this initiation right.

Amazing. And I asked him, I said, well, how old are these figurines? Do you know? And yeah, they'd actually been carbon dated to about 900 AD. Well, that's before the Templars ever existed. Right. It's before any European ever went over to, that we know of, went over into the Yucatan.

But the fact that they were practicing it back at least that far, again, suggests it's a tradition they inherited. And they say they inherited it from Azzlon. Yeah, I think it's going to be in short order that the mainstream archaeology is going to become the fringe archaeology, in my opinion. Yeah, I think you're right. We only have about 20 minutes left. So let's get back to the hermetica and the Emerald Tablet.

So the Emerald Tablet, supposedly it was originally discovered in Siwa in Egypt. According to tradition, Apollonius of Tiana discovered it. According to Templar tradition, Apollonius of Tiana was actually the Apostle Paul. And that Paul just is short for Apollonius. which just means little Apollo. Right. Right. And that, but that's a whole other discussion.

But supposedly he discovered this tablet. And, you know, at the grave of Hermes or Tooth. Because again, Hermes was Tooth or Tooth. Tahudi in the ancient Egyptian and continued to pass it on. Now, what's interesting from a a

Najamundi so Najamundi in Egypt is where all these earliest fragments of the gospels were discovered in these clay jars. The other thing that they found in those clay jars were a bunch of hermetic texts, which means that these early Christians were revering

hermetic texts. Sure. Just as much as the Gospels. Sure. I mean, I'm assuming most people know, but maybe not, but the Bible was, there was a lot of controversy, what books would go in and come out. Right. Correct.

Yeah. And some of those early fragments became part of the standard gospels, and some of them didn't. I mean, the council in Nicaea, they were removed. Sure. 325. So. In Gnostic texts, we're not going to make it in there.

Yeah, and a lot of the Gnostic tests just weren't going to make it in because they painted a different perspective. But those Gnostic texts were in line with the hermetic texts. And one of the things we have to understand about hermeticism in general, and the Emerald tablet falls into this as well, it talks about, as above, so below. It says that all was created by the meditation of the one. And it all goes back to the one mind. Well, hermeticists believe that, look,

if you're the creator of all that is, say there's nothing around you to create with. because you're all that is, right? You're the singular intelligence. The only way that you could create is within your own mind. And therefore, everything that we see around us that we think is real and solid and everything else is just mind stuff. It's the mind of the creator. And, of course, 20th century physicists told us this.

I mean, people like Maxwell Plank and Heisenberg and others, they, all said the more they look at the foundation blocks of matter, the more they reappears that were living in a mind. It's all mind stuff. Sure. If you can explain the collapse of the wave function, then go get your Nobel Prize. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. But it's completely in line with the hermetic text. Sure. And of course, this is completely in line with the things Jesus was saying too. You know, I mean, this is how you would perform the miracles. Because if your mind is a part of the greater mind and all matter, so-called matter,

is just made up of mind stuff. What language is the tablet in and who created it? So supposedly the original, this original Emerald tablet, which has never been found, but has been translated over the centuries, was written in Phoenician. Oh, okay. So Phoenician, the thing we have to understand about Phoenician, is the Phoenicians were basically the cousins of the Egyptians.

In fact, even Osiris, when his body finally, his, yeah, the parts of his body were reassembled. It was in Biblos, which was a Phoenician city, right? But the, yeah, the Phoenicians and, by the way, if you look at the hieroglyphs for the letters, the simple letters, the standard letters, not like complex hieroglyphs that explain different concepts, but like actual letter forms. You look at the Egyptian hieroglyphs. For example, the Egyptian hieroglyph for the letter M is an owl, right? And if you look at the Phoenician letter for the letter M, it looks like the head of that

owl. And you take the Phoenician and you take it into the Hebrew, the Hebrew letter, Mem. It's just a re-emphasis of that Phoenician letter M. So you can trace the Egyptian hieroglyphous to the Phoenician to the Hebrew very easily. Yep. And I don't think that's controversial. It's not even, it's not controversial.

Right. And that's why a lot of the Egyptian words became Phoenician words. became Phoenician words, which became Hebrew words, and even to this day. But the Emerald Tablet was originally said to be written in this Phoenician language, but was found in Egypt and supposedly, and then translations of it had been copied for the last several thousand. years. Going all the way back, some of the earliest sources were Arabic sources copying it,

and then later people like Sir Isaac Newton were making their own translations of it. Could the Phoenicians have gotten that information from the Atlanteans? Possibly. I mean, again, the Phoenicians were kind of like the cousins of the Egyptians, and they were both believed to be the same, essentially the same cultures, even at the same gods. I mean, like Tooth or Tehudi of ancient Egypt was Tuat of the Phoenicians. So it was, and the Egyptians, even the Phoenicians said that their chief god was known as Al-Elean, which just was this god of light. And the same L-Elean was probably the Aten of the Egyptians, that was the secret one god, you know, that all the gods were said to be a part of, you know.

In the same way, even today, like within Christianity, we have the archangels. But if you rake down the names of the archangels, like Uriel, for example, L means God. So Uriel means the light of God. Raphael means God heals. Right. Gabrielle means the strength of God. I didn't know that. Yeah, Mikiel means is like God.

So they're all aspects of God. Sure. Right? They're just like, so if you want to pray to the healing aspect of God, you pray to Raphael because that means God heals, right? So Raphael is the archangel that delivers the message that you need healing. to God, you know, according to standard modern Christian theology. But if you really break down the Hebrew roots, it's like these are their own beings,

but they're aspects of God. And the same way ancient Egyptians believed that the different needer, the different gods, were aspects of the one God, you know. And that was the great secret that Achnotin revealed. and then got in trouble for. Oh, yes. Yeah. So you've got a tour coming up in March.

Yeah, in the March, beginning of April to Egypt. What are we going to see that you can't see if you go on? Yeah, so if you go on our tours, we go to all the major temples in Egypt. And so we start out at Giza and we start to go to the temples around Giza. And then we fly to Luxor. Mm-hmm. And we see Luxor and Karnak and then all, and Aswan and... Osirian?

Yeah, we go to the Osirian at Abidos. Mm-hmm. And we have a lot of tourists, if you go to these places, you can kind of look over them. Like the sphinx, there's kind of a lookout point where you can look down at the sphinx, but you're not allowed to actually go into the Sphinx enclosure. But we have... Our tour has access to everything. So we can actually go into these areas.

We can go into the Sphinx. We can go into the Osirian. There are secret areas in the temple of Hathor, Dendera, that are close to the public. But we have access to them, so we actually go into them. And then... the trip culminates back at Giza, and we have the Great Pyramid to ourselves,

the last night. We literally, they kick all the tourists off the Giza Plateau. We get a military escort to the Great Pyramid. They guard it for the night for us. And we, for those people who are interested in the Templar Path, will initiate them in the pyramid you could petition to become a Templar

Correct, yeah so so we have a pre-study body known as the Templar Collegia and anyone could go to that it's templarcollegia.org it's 40 bucks you apply

40 bucks or 50 bucks something like that we do a background check as long as everything looks good we send you your first study material. It's a thousand-page book. It's called the Codex. And it's all the fundamental information

that we feel like you need to know as a Templar. I'm buying it today. Yeah, it's great. And then there's a second Codex, volume two, too, after you've studied that. So we get people starting to study that. But if they go on our tour, we'll also initiate them in the Great Pyramid.

Unbelievable. And we're the only group that's allowed to do this because we've been doing it for the last thousand years. And we do it in the way that was always traditionally done. Has Zaiyahuas ever gotten in your way? No. Okay. No. We had, we came close in 2011.

We were doing initiations in there, but it was during the Arab Spring. Right. And Mubarak had just gotten deposed. and Zahiawasi just got fired. Right. And that's a whole other story. Sure. You know, we don't need to get into right now.

But like, but, you know, we'd almost had run into some problems then. And then there was about a 10-year period where we couldn't do it because things were too unstable in Egypt. But they're fine now. And when we travel on these tours, we have armed guards with us. from the Egyptian government who make sure that we're all okay the entire trip. And, you know, we set it up where we have private time in all these temples.

You know, we go to the temple of Horace at Edfu, for example, we show you where the Atlantis myth is inscribed on the building or the legend of Uttlant. That's what the Egyptian name for is. Utlant. And so probably when Solon, Plato's great, great, great grandfather talked about the

Atlantis myth. He was learning about Utlant, and he just called it Utlantis. And that's how it came to Plato. But we show you where Utlant is written on the temple wall, and it shows all the needers.

and boats, you know, coming to Egypt to set things up, and they have with them an arc on the boat. And there's actually a replica of one of those arcs in the temple of Horace at, and we, and that's close to the public, but we actually have access to that as well. So you can go in and actually see the chamber and see the arc, you know, It's a replica, but it's still there. I would love the influence of the knights to get us digging in the Hawara Labyrinth. Yes, yes. I've known about that.

I first went there with Robert Bavall back in 2010, 2011, and we were scoping that whole area out. It's been known about for a long time. Well, since Angel, and erratus. Yeah, and there's still, they're. There's statues poking out of the ground and everything there. It's pretty amazing. There's that metal ring down there. Yeah, 100%.

Yeah. That's, that's, there's a couple of things that still need to be dug up in Egypt. That's one of them. There's also an area we go to on our tour called Elephantine Island. And Elephantine Island looks like a bomb went off on it. But it's where there used to be a very early Jewish temple on that island. There's a temple of Tutinosis III there. Elefantine Island was like the museum for the ancient Egyptians,

where they brought all of their discoveries. It's one of the oldest places in Egypt and is closed to the public, but we have access to it. And there is a museum on the island, and they have things like boomerangs, right, that had been preserved there. Wow. What were they doing? The boomerings. And by the way, the boomerings even have kangaroos on them.

What? Yeah. So it's like clearly the ancient Egyptians were traveling to Australia and bringing this stuff back and then preserving it on the island. We also know that one of, there's an arc. on Elephantine Island that hasn't been dug up yet. Oh. And it's issuing so much energy that it's actually turning the granite into slate on the island, which normally would take thousands of years,

but something's doing it. There's some of high energy it's speeding up that process. So we show that on the island. We kind of know where the ark is, but they've been digging down to it for the last 60 years. Some German scientists right now who are in charge of all that. But again, and by the way, on the island there's also vegetation that you find. It's the only place in Egypt where you find this vegetation,

and it's vegetation from the New World, from the Yucatan. Amazing. Right? Which, again, proves something. You know, they bring things back, growing it there. And there's temples, too. There's even a temple that has a mural of Egyptians meeting with Mayans on it on this island. And we show that.

There's no question. There's DNA evidence that. Yeah, yeah. Right. One last time, Tim, where can we find you online, learn more about you? Do you have seven books? Yeah, seven books. You can, well, you can find all my books on Amazon.

If you just Google Timothy Hogan, you'll find them. You can also find them at Lulu Press. You can find there's a Timothy Hogan page that has all my books. If you are interested in the tours, you can search for Templar Travel Tours. That's my company. Next year, we're doing, we have an Egypt trip, we have a Mexico trip, and we have a UK trip. and each of these areas we explore not all the Atlantean connection

but the Templar connection with this stuff and we show we prove on the tour so you can see for yourself these Templar connections at these areas and then the other

company that I do that you can find me is well you can go to the Templarcollegia.org that's where if you're interested in potentially starting the study and becoming a Templar, you can go there and we can start you on that process. And then finally, if you look up Nura Buddha or Templar Made, Templar Made is my company where we manufacture monoatomic gold. Okay.

And we make that available to the public too. But not with urine. But not with urine. There's no urine involved. Even though there's a stage in the process that's called the urine stage because it looks like urine. But it's actually gold chloride. So, which looks like urine. Tim Hogan, this has been a treat, a joy.

Yeah. It's been a super joy for me. I love the work that you do. And I'm so thankful that you brought me on here. Please come back anytime. I would love to do that. We have a lot more we can talk about. So much.

All right. Have a great time. Bye, everybody. I was Tim Ogan, who has become one of my favorite people. He's kind, compassionate, and he knows everything about the nice Templar. But let's break down the conversation. Here's what we know for sure. Tim's credentials check out.

He's the grandmaster of the Order of the Temple of the Secret Initiates. His family history of Freemasonry and the Templars is documented. General Joseph Warren is real. The Denver Airport connections are real. His father was mayor of Aurora. The standard Templar history he laid out 1118 to 1307, the banking, system, Friday the 13th, Jacques de Mollay's execution. That's all the historical record, so there's no issues there. As for the big claims, Tim talks about the Younger Dryas

Cataclysm wiping out an advanced civilization. Well, that was fringe science until pretty recently. A 2024 study from the University of South Carolina found shocked quartz evidence supporting the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis, that a massive comet, possibly 50 miles wide, struck the earth about 12,900 years ago. The mainstream is catching up on this one, and I'm on board. As for a monotime of gold as a superconductor, that's another piece of pseudos science that's becoming not so pseudo. There's actually a 2024 peer-reviewed paper

in the Benny Swift University Journal examining Gold Warvus in relation to superconductivity research. Tim sells this stuff on his website. I can't vouch for it, but I can't debunk it. Purchase and consume at your own risk. Now, the arc as an electrical capacitor, well, the Jewish Bible quarterly published an academic paper on exactly this theory. The gold wood gold construction mirrors a laden jar. The science tracks, even if the application is speculative.

Now, if you watch my episode on The Ark, I break down how this works scientifically. And during our conversation, we mentioned that Isaac Newton spent most of his time on alchemy. But that's true. Indiana University's Chemistry of Isaac Newton Project documents that he wrote about a million, words on alchemy. Francis Bacon's New Atlantis being connected to Rosicrucians. Historian Francis Yates made that argument academically. Now one claim I couldn't verify, Tim says Harry Truman wrote, We have discovered an ancient weapon about the atomic bomb. Now I searched Truman's actual diary entries from 1945. He calls it the most terrible thing ever discovered, but I couldn't find that

specific ancient weapon language anywhere. Now the big ones, the bones of Jesus had evolved in Washington, D.C. The Six Arks, his order claims to have. Well, the Tapia Tum was discovered in 1980s. The asseraries are real. The names are real. DNA testing was done. But whether those were V. G. Jesus and Mary Magdalene, that's a bigger claim than I can process in one sitting. My take is that Tim Hogan is either sitting on secrets that rewrite history, or he's the most committed storyteller I've ever met. When I can't shake is how much of what he says lines up where the actual science is heading. Younger Dryus Impact, the PZO Electric Properties of the Pyramids Granite,

the hermetic roots of modern science. Mainstream research keeps catching up to ideas that used to be fringe. Now, to learn more about Tim. Check out his book, The Templar Legacy on Amazon, or even join him on one of his tours to Egypt or the UK. Check out Templar Travel Tours0.Wordpress.com or easier is search for the Facebook group, Templar Travel Tours. I'm actually going to go on one of these.

And remember, Tim's not here to convince you of anything. What you believe is up to you. Either way, it's a hack of the story. Until next time, be safe. Be kind. Know that you are appreciated. A scenario 51. A secret code inside the Bible said I would.

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