The Why Files: Operation Podcast - 629: UFO Contact, Government Secrets and the CIA | Basement #004 Chris Bledsoe

Episode Date: February 19, 2026

Chris Bledsoe is a UFO experiencer, author, and speaker whose 2007 encounter at the Cape Fear River became one of the most scrutinized contact cases in modern history. He reports that the experience cured a years-long battle with Crohn's disease and triggered a profound spiritual awakening that continues to this day.Since then, defense, intelligence, and military branches have investigated his claims. The CIA, NASA, and the Vatican have all shown direct interest in his case.Bledsoe reports ongoing phenomena at his home, speaks at events worldwide, and published his memoir UFO of God in 2023. Thousands of witnesses have observed orbs in his presence. He continues to be studied by researchers and scientists who cannot explain what they find.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYzXPxktcuM

Today I'm talking with Chris Bledso, a North Carolina businessman who in 2007 was facing the end of everything. His company had collapsed, he was dying from Crohn's disease, and he went down to the Cape Fear River with his teenage son and three of his workers to fish. What happened next changed his life. And honestly, it's one of the most unusual cases in modern UFO history. Chris and all five witnesses experienced multiple orbs, creatures with glowing red eyes, and a massive tic-tac-shaped craft, and four hours of missing time. time. Chris came home healed from his Crohn's disease. Four hours of missing time and he came back healed. Meanwhile, I lose four hours on TikTok and come back with carpal Finn. And here's where it gets interesting. Since 2007, senior officials from the CIA and NASA and even the Vatican have

been quietly investigating him. Former CIA officer Jim Sembivin wrote the foreword to his book. A NASA engineer spent years trying to debunk him and couldn't. Oh, NASA tried to debunk him, huh? That's their tell, human. When NASA tries to debunk you, you're over to target. I agree. We're going to talk about the encounter, the healing, the beings. And the entity Chris calls the lady, a divine feminine presence that's been appearing to him since 2012. Yeah, at least he's bringing him healing.

Whenever a feminine shows up at my door, she's usually bringing legal documents. Okay, let's get back to work. This one goes places you don't expect. I really enjoy the conversation. Let's go down to the basement. Chris, thanks for coming today. Thank you for having me, AJ. I'm so excited.

It's my, me too. It's my honor. I've been a big fan for a long time. Oh, don't say that. You don't have to say that. I have been. So if you know my show, and I'm just going to recap this for the audience, at the end of the Y files, I do a segment, debunking and analysis.

I don't do that here. This is about telling the story and just kind of exploring your experiences. So if you feel any pushback, it's not, this isn't a gacha show. We're going to talk about your story. I guess it all starts at the river. What brought you to the river? It actually started before the river.

Okay. And let's back up to about 2001. When the World Trade Center disaster happened. At that time, I had been in business nearly 20 years and building upwards of 100. hundred, 120 or 30 houses every year. It was one of the biggest builders in our county, and one in the state, private company.

And when that disaster happened, being that my business is based in a military town, Fort Bragg, housing sales just stopped suddenly, nobody's buying. And so here I am with $18 million invested in property and the interest rates had gone up to like 8%. And on borrowed money, it was costing me $100,000 a month. We fast forward, and I was stealing with Crohn's, and that made it worse.

It got worse and worse and worse. And by the time 2004 come along, I was in the hospital, and I write about this in my book, what happened there, had a near-death experience from a doctor poisoning me. I'd lost everything. It took me five years to go through all the savings I had and liquidating all I could, but I paid the banks off and sold the property,

but I was left with nothing. So the near death happened in 2004, and early 2005 I was still recovering. By summer of 2006, I was just getting to where I could go back to work. I still sit with crones, right? And I just had this poisoning in the hospital by a doctor. And I'd love to get into that at some point, maybe later today, because you've had two NDAs.

Yeah, one from a gunshot when I was 10, and one from over medication. Not checking my vital, my liver and my blood work, right? The doctor just didn't. He failed to do it, and it caused me to go into toxic shot, a metal poisoning, they call it. And so here I am now, all this happened. Sick. I'm recovering. I'm at the end of my rope.

I had a million-dollar home, four kids living on a golf course for all these years. And now I'm in a mobile home with getting free lunch money from school. How debilitating that was and demeaning. But that led me to the river. What led you to the river? What was that decision? Well, it wasn't my decision, but it was, I started back to work just the first job. My dad convinced me to go out and look after a big house that he was contracted to build on the coast two hours away.

So I took a crew of men and had them working there. And we worked four months in 06 from October to December. And when December comes along, It was right before Christmas. I didn't need to go back. We were down to the last 10% of what they owed us doing a punch list. So on the first day or second of January, I sent the crew back, told them to do their work, and bring me a check back.

And that's exactly what they did on January the 8th at that day. They called me, hey, boss, we got your job done. we'd like to celebrate. We don't have to drive out of town anymore. It had been four months. They've been going in two hours away. And so I was at home. My wife

was at home. She was off with the rest of the kids, but it was Chris Jr. and I there. And so we agreed to go fishing in the middle of the day in January, and it was about 2.30 when we got to the river. And, of course, I was very I was having a hard time mentally,

you know, depressed and struggling. And so I didn't fish. I had my son there. He was 17 then. These three grown men, they were crew leaders. They were doing roofing and framing and that. People that worked with our family for my dad for years and years.

And so I thought it'd be nice to get Chris Jr. down out of the house. So we get to the river, 2.30. and I left walking. I told them, once I got them set up and I left walking about 3.30 or 4. Why did you let off? Well, I was wanting to get away and think.

I wasn't into fishing. I just wanted to make sure they were in there. I'm a manager, right? So I managed cruising them in. I felt like they were sitting on the bank with a little stick with forks and their poles. So they were all set up.

They're good. Yeah, they're good. I'm going to go to find I'm going to go talk to whoever's up there. Okay, so you had the intention. Yes. Okay. Yes.

So I left walking and I went, imagine you go to the dead end of a cul-de-sac, drive down in the woods and it dead ends into a round grassy area, about an acre. Well, I walked on in the cul-de-sac to the back of it, looking for deer, really not looking for anything but away time right from me. So I'm sitting beside a big tree and it starts getting dark in the woods a lot earlier than out in the open. And so I think it was 4.45 I come walking out of the woods and walked up to where they were fishing. And I said, you guys want to go home or you want to fish some more? And they're like, we just got here.

We want to do some more. I said, well, it's going to get cold tonight. Better get a fire going. So everybody stopped fishing and all four of us. there were five of us this was me, Chris Jr., and three guys. All five of us went around the cul-de-sac picking up, dead wood, dead fall.

Had a huge pile of wood standing beside the bank and a little fire going. So about 10 after five, the fire was going, and I said, you know, it's going to be dark soon. I'm going to walk up to the field the way we came in, not the end of the cul-de-sacet. So I walked a quarter mile up to the field, field.

And it's up, it's uphill. It's 100 foot of elevation from the riverbank where we're fishing to this cornfield. It's flat. There's a gate, and I'll share the photos with a gate where I was standing. And just before I got to the top of that hill, and it's about 15 or 20 minutes after five now.

So it's not dark yet. It probably didn't get fully dark until the sun was sitting behind the trees when I got up there. I walked up that hill, and when I got near the top, I could see the trees on the far side. I couldn't see the field because it's up here, but I could see what I thought was the top of the sun sticking up, right above the hill up there.

And I looked down because it was muddy, and I'm walking. I'd look up, and I'd walk another step. And when I got up to the top of that hill, where I could see, I said, dang, that don't look like the sun. That's really weird. It was fire going around this thing. So I looked down, took two more steps,

and when I did, I could see a wider peripheral because, you know, I got trees on either side and the higher up I get the more my view spread. There was another one sitting right beside it, and I didn't see to start with. So now I've got two huge balls of fire. How far away are they? They were probably 300 yards.

Okay, good ways away. 200 feet in the air, sitting right above the trees, and just this flame going around them, and these little tips of fire was shooting off of these things. So I immediately froze. I'm a commercial-rated pilot. I knew what I was looking at wasn't anything from us at all. And I never really studied UFOs.

I was dealing with four children in sickness, right? And so it scared me And I squatted down I actually got down on my stomach And I'd raise my head up and look above the hill Because I've still got some more hill in front of me And I'd look at it and I was just mesmerized But I started getting worried

Oh my son's down the hill I need to get back down there Tell them what I'm looking at And the minute I decided to run I had it in my thoughts I'm going to run So I turned my body I'm looking back behind me at it, you know,

and I stood up to run, and the minute I stood up to run right up here above me, another one appeared and shot down right in front of me. And at that moment, AJ, I knew that it knew what I was thinking. I knew that it saw me, and I knew I felt like I was captured. I was a lab rat. I didn't know what to think.

It was just overwhelming knowing that this thing I was on its radar. That's when it all changed when it came at me. You're a hunter and now you're on the other side. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's a good explanation. And so you knew it was watching you, was that like an animal instinct or did you hear it, feel it? I didn't know it was watching me the two I was looking at. I thought I was, you know,

hiding from this thing. But I was thinking, I got to run. Oh my God, what am I? looking at it so I'm thinking and the minute I go to run this other one appeared and I knew immediately that it knew that I was going to run and it wanted and it knew and it it was connected to my thoughts and I couldn't get away it's the first thing I knew it I mean but luckily they wiped my memory so I had that moment of fear and then all of a sudden oh my God and

then the lights went out. Just everything just went out. Went out, dark. And so the next thing I realized, I'm walking up to the fire. I don't remember leaving at the top of the hill. I don't remember any of that. I just remember the last 50 or so feet going up to the fire. So I'm walking in the dark.

They can't see me coming. And these three guys are standing at the campfire. They're no fishing no longer. They're standing there, and the fire's burnt down to very little fire. And I left it was a pretty good size fire. And I scared them bad when I snuck up on the run. And I'm like, guys, you won't believe what I just saw. They're like, where have you been? I said, I was just up at the hill. I've been gone at 20 minutes and they're like, no, you've been going all night. And we've been looking for you all night. I said, well, where's Chris Jenner?

he wasn't there and so they said well he went back in the cul-de-sac where you went earlier today looking for you while we took your truck and drove up and down the road and one guy stayed at the fire the whole time and so I panicked

where my son's down in that forest and it goes for 50 miles to Wilmington and it's very little to nothing in there so I could I was just dreaming he was lost you know sure so I panicked and took off running ran to the back I could call the site where I'd going in that day,

and he knew where I'd gone, because he'd watching me all the time. And I cried out to him. I started shouting for him, and nothing could hear anything. So I started making my way into the forest. I got about 10 feet in there, and I heard him getting up off the ground. He was laying on his stomach underneath these real thick shrubs.

And he'd come up, and it was in tears. And he's like, oh, my God, Daddy, why did you leave me? And I said, I didn't leave your son. I just walked up to the field. I've been gone 20 minutes. He said, no, you've been going all night. We've been looking. So I'm like, oh, my God, what's happening?

What happened? What's happened? But, you know, I wasn't scared anymore. You weren't. Not at all. From that point forward, it was like amusement. My son is freaked out. He's in shock.

These three guys are in shock. They're terrified, right? So I drag him back to the floor. fire, they hadn't displayed that yet, but shortly they will. So I took Junior back to the fire where they were standing and they were very quiet because I was telling them about this ball of light. I saw at the top of the hill. Chris Junior's talking about this creature that he had seen coming from a quarter mile away.

The road at the end of the cul-de-sac is a quarter mile and then it makes the left up, up, which is only an eighth of a mile, right? So he sees his light come out in the road way down at the end, a red glowing light. He thought it was a camera, I mean a flashlight, because in the military they used a lot of these red lenses on their flashlights, right? And he has guns and infrareds.

That's what he thought it was. And there were two of them. They went across the road, about three feet off the ground, And then they came back out on the road and they started towards him. And he's standing back calling for me. The closer they got, the more afraid he got. Can he see what they are at this point?

Yeah, well, no. He sees these two red balls of light about big coming towards him. So he crawls under these bushes trying to get away because he's afraid. Couldn't go back to the fire because now it's between him and the fire. So he's hiding.

And they get within, 15, 20 feet of them, and there were these two little creatures that were glowing. They could turn, it's like a rheostat. They could turn themselves up and glow brighter, or they could turn themselves down to where they looked almost translucent. And in a dark night, they looked just like almost black figures there, but with red eyes. If it was their eyes that were red, that's what he would see. It's like a humanoid shape? Yeah, they look like humans.

in a way I have a photo a picture I drew it painted I'll share with you so you can I painted this in 2009 and so anyhow I don't know what to think my son's crying

he's upset he's seen creatures he's complaining that I left him abandoned him I drag him back to the fire they're freaked out these guys are growing in right tough country boys that don't get afraid in the woods and now they're very quiet.

Juner's talking about the creatures. I'm talking about the light, and all of a sudden one of the guys just look, and we all look up, and there's between eight and nine, maybe ten stars, bright as Venus, that just appeared above us. They just like, come on.

And then they just started flying around and doing, it's almost like somebody choreographed it. And they just appear out of the sky. Just all of a sudden. Yeah, just materialized above us. They were way up there. They were bright as Venus, each one. And they were playing.

They were flying out, and they'd come back together, and we were watching this, and all of a sudden, here comes three down, and they land on the other side of the river in front of us. And the river's only 60 or 70 yards wide. It's not a big one, right? So here they are on the other side of the river in the woods, and Panamonium sat in.

These guys freaked out. I'm not afraid. I'm mesmerized. Whatever they did to me, I was no longer afraid. I'd be angry at you because you're so peaceful. Yeah. And they were angry at me. They were panicked.

So we ran and jumped in the truck. There's three men in the back seat and Chris and I in the front of a four-door Ford pickup. They didn't let you drive, I hope. I was driving. You just put your arm out with the radio on there screaming at you. Well, I'm starting up the path right. right, out of there. And this road is muddy, real muddy,

and the bushes were like scrubbing the mirrors as we went down through there, and they're screaming every breath, go, go, go. And Chris Juner just want to get home, Dad, I want to get home. One of them told me, told Mufon when we reported it, that they had witnessed this red ball of light come out of the woods and come following the truck as we were driving up out of there. So undoubtedly they were still there.

They'd never left. they just went invisible. Right. So when we got up to the top of the hill to where I had my experience, we went up that hill so fast it almost went airborne when I went over. This was a real steep, you know, like an incline there. And there in front of us was the same two red balls of fire in the same exact spot that moved.

This is four hours later, right? The third one that appeared and frightened me, it's no longer a ball of fire, but a tick-tac. It's a glowing white egg. While you're still in the truck? Yeah, it's in the road in front of us. The one that came over and said, I see you, that's the one that took me. Now it's an egg in the road.

It's not red anymore. It's glowing white. It's 45, 50 foot long, and it's like a football or an egg. Can you see that it's a structure, that it's a craft, or is it just light? It was all light. Just light. And there was light was doing this. It's like sparkles of light going around.

It almost looked like spikes coming out of it. And this thing just pivots. It's only five feet off the ground. 150 yards from us in the road, pivot starts towards us. And as it gets closer, it starts rising up. But right over my sunroof, I opened the sunroof and watched it through it, and all the guys were looking out.

It was probably 100 feet in the air, totally silent. and then it pivoted and shot off like out of a canyon to the north. I hit the gas and we took off. And there become a fight between the guys who gets to go home first. Are the fire orb still with you at that point? There was just balls of, I haven't seen the firewinds now. We left them. They were still sitting there.

So we left because this thing's coming out. It had a path block. We couldn't go because the road was blocked. But once it went over, it was beating on my seat. screaming. I want to see my wife before us over. We thought the world was coming to an end, that we were being invaded. I didn't understand what was happening. You know, it did something to me.

Here's an important thing. We left from that point racing. Only a mile and a half down the street is where I was shot when I was 10 years old, right? or maybe a mile and three quarters. Well, at a mile and a half is where my first wife was killed and I found her there. When I was just a young,

21-year-old, 20-year-old guy and I married this sweetheart that I'd had for four or five years. And on the 11th month and 28th day of our marriage, two days before our one-year anniversary, I'd been out of town fishing, hunting. Not fishing, hunting.

My dad and I and his hunting club, and we'd taken boats down on the coast, and we're running dogs on islands, running, chasing deer on islands, right? I grew up doing that. And so I knew that she was going to be at this party. Out in the country, a bunch of friends. Since we were young, we'd always had a cornfield.

They'd go hang out and stay out of trouble, right? And we went to bars and all that. We found out of trouble somewhere. Yeah, we went in the country. And the law found out about it. They'd come and rate us every now and then, catch young kids drinking beer and stuff. But so that's, we had a party.

I came in at 9 o'clock, and I took off to the party. And I write about this in detail in my book, why I left. One of her old boyfriends was all snuggled up with her when I got there. Uh-oh. And I turned around and I left. I spoke to him and said, I'm going home. So I started home.

Went two miles down the road and turned around to go back to meet her. Because I'm like, I'm not let this guy take what's mine. I was just mad, right? Of course. And so I turned around to go back. And on the way back in this very sharp curve, there was a car laying on its side. It was laying in it, and I could see the bottom side of it,

and I hit the brakes and jumped out of the car. Didn't know who it was. It was in the front yard of someone's home that had rolled up, went through the curve, and rolled end over end up in these people's yard. I jumped out. I ran up to the car, looked in, nobody. Then still didn't know what car it was, whose it was. It was darkness laying on its side.

So as I'm looking in the car, the front door of the house opens. The tires are still turning on the car. It just happened. And the motor is still running, laying on its side. I ran to the door. They came out and they looked out. They'd heard it. And I said, you better call the ambulance rescue.

Somebody's probably hurt. I can't find who it was. So I left and started back to the road. And that's where I tripped over her laying in the ship. shade. This is your first wife, Dana. Yeah, yeah. She was laying in the shade of the pump house, water pump. But that night when we left the river, I blamed myself for that all those years like I could have, that I was part of it. And, but I wasn't, you know. You've forgiven yourself at this point? I couldn't. You couldn't. Yeah. And, but that night when we left the river,

everybody's freaking out scared. I'm in La La La Land for what had just happened. I don't know. I'm not afraid. It's the biggest thing I remember. So we get to that mile and a half down from where we were. We go through that curve. Here's this big,

huge thing hovering right over where she was killed. And I slow down, and I'm trying to stop, and they're beating on my seat, don't stop, and I'm like, I just want to see, I want to see.

And they're like having nothing to do with it. And it spoke to me. It just put this vision in my head, and it said, you have to forgive yourself. She's fine. Don't worry about this any longer. And so that was the first time in 25 years

that I had up to piece over that. So all that together over the next couple of years is what made me understand this thing was so much bigger than some alien coming from the Pleiades to aggravate me. But anyhow, Not to drag that whole event out, but too long.

We dropped the guys off. Chris Jr. and I head home. He didn't want to go back that way. It was going back towards the house was that way, a shortcut, because we'd had to drive back under that power line and where this thing was. So we took the long way around. Got home, it was probably 11.30,

and Christopher ran through the house, locking everything. He'd open the bathroom door with no wind in it, turned the light on and locked the door. He had every door locked. All the wind is shut, all the floodlights on. I'm in my room trying to see on TV, you know, if the military is coming. We just know there's an invasion, right?

Because it wasn't one, or it was probably 15 in total that we were seeing that night, nine or ten at once, and then others up on the hill and all. I've heard Chris Jr. talk recently, and he still struggles with the story. Yeah, he does, yeah. It was traumatic. You can never get over those things, but he's 36 now, and he has a baby on the way. He has two children and one coming.

And he's very happy, and he understands it now a whole lot more. He ran from it for a long time, and it won't all his fault. It was pressure from the community and the church that caused a whole lot of problem for us. Well, when you got home from the experience, your wife, Yvonne, wasn't there yet. No, no. She was off with her mother, staying with her mom. They were doing something for a couple of days.

And so we're home now. The house is locked down. Junior comes in my room where I met, and he's like, have you seen anything? I'm like, no, this is like total normal. I don't know what's happening. Are you still peaceful? Yeah, I am. Okay.

But he's not. No. He's in shock. Sure. And suddenly my dad lived next door. We lived out in the country, our houses beside one another. And he had a dog kennels there.

He'd raised hunting dogs all his life. Before I was born, he had dogs. He'd have 30 or 40 all the time. One time he had 104. But he had 15 hounds then. And all of a sudden, they started barking, all of them. And hounds barked very loud. mouthy, deep voice, and I knew that what they were saying was they were scared.

They were doing what I'd call a boo bark. You know, they were, woo, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, they hear dogs do that. They hear or see something, but they don't know what it is. I've seen that with bear hunting. A bear come out on a dog, the scent along will put them in panic. Is that what you thought it was? A bear.

I was a bear or a deer or something. So all the dogs are barking. Then I thought maybe somebody's breaking in Dad's shop. First thought that was somebody's breaking in the shop because the dog kennels next to his garage. He and I shared this big 40-foot garage. We had boats and fishing gear and tools in. So I'm imagining the dogs seeing somebody going in that shop.

And I said Christopher, he's freaked out now. He scared these dogs are barking. and I'm going outside, I'm going to see who's breaking in that shop, and he didn't want any part of that. He's like, please don't go out there, Daddy, please don't. I'm like, look, we won't take a flashlight. We got Rosie here. She's 110-pound Chesapeake.

She'll keep anything away from us. We'll just sneak down there and see who we see, maybe scare them away. So I opened the door. He had me by the back of the shirt, and he'd never turn me loose. We walked across the yard, into the pathway to their dog kennel. It's done in the woods behind the house. We walk in there, and I look,

and they're all looking out the back of the kennel. They're not looking toward the garage. They're looking in the forest behind it. So immediately I thought maybe it's a bear. Right. Because they were barking every breath facing into the forest, all 15, plus my chesapea. She's frozen, or her hair standing up,

and she's pointing in the bushes. So I'm whispering to Chris. said, I'm going to send her in on whoever's in there or whatever. Well, let's just run back out to the back of the property. We'll make a run for it. We'll go back and hide behind this big oak tree and see what she pushes out of there. Typical hunting. That's what we hunted doing that.

Try to cut the dogs off, put them in and get in front of them and see what comes out. They're trained to do this. Yeah, yeah. And so I bumped her on the rear, and she took off immediately. So we took off running. We didn't have no time. You got to run hard to get down this path and back to the yard and to the back.

And I felt Christopher turn loose when I made a left turn and the grass was getting frosty and I slipped and he turned loose. And I thought, well, I just outrun him. So I ran hard as I can. I ran up to this tree and stopped myself. I ran up to it in a full run and I'm trying to be quiet

but I'm breathing, you know, heavy breath. and I'm trying to calm my breath, and I'm against the tree, and the dog's coming straight at me. You get very loud, you know, it's quiet at night, and it's thinking you hear it coming through the forest is real loud. So I turned to look back to see if Christopher was coming. And this all happened so quick, and when I looked back, he was gone. He didn't come.

He couldn't stand anymore, so he ran to the house. When he turned loose, he took a right, I better to live, right? But when I did, AJ, They're standing behind me about arm's length was this little figure yea tall, which I painted it, and it was glowing white. Now three feet, three and a half feet. Yeah, three feet. No more than three, probably. And it had, it was glowing white, and it had, what looked like a triangle on its chest, a dark area that was triangle shape.

And it had red glowing eyes about this big around, and they were round. perfectly round glowing eyes. And it scared me. It scared me bad when I saw it. I'm like, oh my God. So I backed myself up to the tree to try to get away from it. But I got a tree.

You know, I'm looking at it. So I turn and face it, and I drop my hands and I said I surrender. And their dog's coming. Still coming. Rosie's barking? She's barking every breath, coming.

Very close. So she sees these? Well, she's, yeah, she senses it for sure. Okay. I think the energy dogs have a way of seeing things we can't. I agree. So it's definitely the dogs coming. This all happened very quick.

I'm facing this three-foot thing that's glowing. I'm panicked that I'm going to die. I thought it was going to kill me. And I said, I surrender. I don't mean you any harm. And it said you don't understand. We're here to help you, not hurry you. That's exactly what it said.

And then the dog comes out of the bushes, and this thing vanishes right in front of me. It's immediately vanished. It's speaker. You heard this in your mind. I heard it in my mind. Loud. It sounded like a man's voice.

Deep, thunderous, loudness. One of the few times I ever heard, an audible voice. You know, you don't hear voices, but I heard that one plain. I heard when the lady came in 2012, this audible voice. Yeah, well, I would definitely want to get into the lady.

Arise, just like that. And so it vanishes. And when Mufon did their investigation, that whole tree started decaying and dying and rotted down. They found some kind of something on it that radiated it and killed it. That's what they said. So I go back to the house thinking, how I'm going to tell Christopher about this, right? I better not say anything. Good call.

Yeah. And so I made it to the house. and now I'm panicked. I was a smoker then. I had to have a cigarette. I got to have a cigarette. I'm smoking, you know. That's why you could not run this thing.

Yeah, right. And so I'm trying to find a cigarette, and Christ is like, you can't go outside, you can't go outside of smoke. So I go over to my back in my sunroom and put my feet, knees on the couch, and reach over behind it and started raising the window up, right? The blinds.

I didn't even get the window up. When I raised the blinds, of floodlights on that corner was illuminating this seven-foot-tall being that was walking towards me towards the house. I could see it in the floodlight 20 feet away. That scared me. What did that look like? Like the bean on the crab wood crop circle. Okay. So this is also a humanoid type of figure? Very tall, skinny thing. And it was scary looking. So, I'm a, I grabbed Junior by the arm, didn't tell him. I said, we don't want to stay here tonight.

We're going to go somewhere else. So we went four or five miles away. Because it was midnight, 1 o'clock, where are we going to go, right? So we went down to a big hay field and parked in the middle door I could see in every direction until the sun come up. I'm having to manage my child, right? He's panicking. Have you ever heard of the incident at Devil's Den? I've heard of Devil's Den, yeah.

It's almost the same creatures. Really? It's small creatures with red eyes and a very large being with them. Wow, I never knew that. And they're walking around the forest and they're picking up different objects and surveying them. That's what they were doing with Chris. He was sitting there a pin down out of the bushes and they were 20 feet from him, two of them. And one was on its knees picking up bottles and cans and sticks and it would look at them and put them on the ground.

While the other one was staring at him the whole time. And he said that he couldn't scream, he couldn't yell, he felt frozen. When it looked at him, he had absolutely no control over his self. He couldn't talk. He couldn't move. And he felt a lot of trauma there. At Devils Den, that large creature had a triangle on his chest. Get to heck out.

I'd never heard that. It shows up in all these stories, the triangle. I never heard that. Yeah. Makes sense why NASA come calling. and said, we'd like to talk about that little being with the triangle on this chest. Well, where are we chronologically at this point?

So you were a junior? Your wife goes back yet? She comes back two days later. Okay. So this is on a Tuesday night, I think. Okay. By the end of the week, Thursday or Friday, she comes home with the other kids.

And I had the greatest story to tell. And it was scaring my wife because she being raised into Pentecost, the Holyness Church, and her family is, they're part of the whole movement. They brought it to North Carolina. They're her grandmas and ancestors. So they were very big in the conference. So I had that whole power on my head there.

But the first night, that was the first night. That was the first night, the end of the first night. When you were telling her the story, were you telling it from that position of peace? Because I can't see her reacting positively. Well, I was telling her the story, and it couldn't get a word in, because Chris Juno was telling it too, right? Right. And she didn't want to believe it.

And then when the other guys came, a couple days later, they came back to the house to bring back my fishing poles, because we left everything on the river. Sure. We left Coalers and all sitting right there. Stick still would have brought rods in them. And so she questioned them. And immediately the church condemned it as the devil.

How did the church find out? Well, my wife's family is the church. My mom and my family, they're all big in the church. And we live in the Bible Belt, right? Sure. So the whole community. Did she tell them because she was worried? Well, she was worried how to handle this with the children

Because the children were frightened Sure My 10-year-old daughter She thought I was interrupting their school It just disrupted everything To school, their sleep And I was a bit, I'd have to say My wife is a very

A lover, we've been together 43 years And I couldn't live without her, right? She's the calm person. She's the mother, right? And she's worried about school in the morning. And I'm like Dustin Hoffman all of a sudden. With the mashed potatoes? Yeah, I was just like that. And I still am. I mean, I came home and she said, I look wild in the eyes. I was just telling us, oh my God, you won't believe what happened. And when she calls her family and my family and all that, then it turns into, it was a demonic experience. You're playing with the

because the Christian church believes, you know, not the Catholics. No, no, not the Catholics. But the Protestants, they preach us the devil, not knowing. It's just part of their, any light you see, it's not of God, it's got to be evil. How did you know it was it? Because it healed me. And it told me I'm here to help you, not hurt you. Okay.

But I struggle with what all that, who was? Was it an alien? didn't act like what an alien, it knew my prayer. It heard me. So I started researching the Bible, and I learned that these chariots of fire, immediately it started making sense. So I furthered my research into meeting Dr. Dianaphasalka and Dr. George Zervos and a whole lot of other religious scholars and people that know this.

And we started digging into the text and researching and how. have still researching. What did you find in your research of the Bible that tracks with this story? Well, this is something Diana gave me the information. Okay. And she said, I'm going to give you this. I can't talk about it, but I'll let you, I'm going to tell you this. I want you to pay attention to what I'm going to tell you.

And that is in the Bible, throughout the Bible, Mark, Matthew, Luke, Revelations, and even in Exodus, there's something called the clouds of heaven. This will be in my next book, by the way. But the clouds of heaven. I'm like, what is that, Diana? And she said, well, these clouds, some of them are talking, some of them are shiny, some of them are feeding people, some of them are protecting people. For example, Exodus, it says, and an angel of the Lord went before the children of Israel

for 38 years in a pillar of a cloud. Pillar meaning a pylon or cylinder, right? Wherever that thing went for 38 years, they camped underneath it. It fed them men in the morning, and it gave them shade by the day and warmth and light at night. For 38 years, right?

Matthew 26, Matthew 24, talks about Jesus. When I come back, I'm coming in the clouds of heaven or own the clouds of heaven. I'm going to come back the way I left from here. And he left. It says he left. He was taken up in the cloud.

So Diana educated me on this very carefully. And there is just tons of evidence. Do you know Daniel 10? Oh. talks about he's made of topas, he's made of light if that's the right

book. Well that Daniel chapter 10 talks about his angelic vision what he saw. Daniel saw an angel. Daniel chapter 10 talks about and there stood before him this

angel that was glowing and it was so shiny it looked like Topaz and it had red eyes like fire. Like torches. Yeah, yeah, like fire. Torches, yeah. And in Ezekiel 40, he talks about meeting a messenger made a shiny bronze who shows them this temple of the future. Yeah, crazy, huh? And then

in Enoch 19, Archangel Uriel takes him up above the clouds and shows him the origins of the wind. And I'm the earth and takes them over Egypt and all these places. And I thought, do you had an experience kind of like that, didn't you? That's where they took me. So I didn't know what happened during those four hours. What happened?

I had no clue. But after Dr. O'Connell came from Harvard and he started working on me, he said, you'll remember it all over time. He was a student of Dr. Mac, no? Yeah, John Mack. He was trained under Mac. So John Mack, for folks listening, was an expert. psychiatrist award winning at Harvard who specialized in abduction and experiences.

He actually started all this research. Yes, he did. Dr. Michael O'Connell was a student of his and got his degrees there. And he started helping me with hypnosis to get rid of this headache that I had. Every time I tried to think about what happened, I'd get this massive headache. and I would eventually pass out. Did it numerous times in front of investigators. My wife would tell you,

you keep asking him, and then the questions, he's going to pass out on you. Because it was such a block in there, it would become this pressure, and it would get so painful that I would just go black out. He removed that

to where I could think about it, and it wasn't painful anymore. And he said, and if you learned everything overnight, it would probably cause you to make, meltdown. So we're going to program your subconscious to reveal everything over time. Sure. That's what he did. So immediately, I started dreaming all kinds of weird dreams. And I would start

yelling and crying in my sleep and all this. And it started scaring my wife and the kids. I go to bed early because I get up early. Well, they're night. I was right. They'd come sneaking in the room because they hear me and record me in my sleep, talking. and stuff. What were you saying? I was saying all kinds of things. In fact, one crazy thing I was saying is that they took me to Egypt.

It was like a virtual tour. Being inside a bubble, something clear, round. I could touch the walls, but I couldn't see it. And I was looking at the Spinks and the pyramids and Hathor's Temple and all these obelisk and stuff. And they were narrating what I was seeing.

I started frisketing images, not the information. Were they narrating like a tour guide in a museum? Yep, yeah. So there wasn't like a message. It was just, this is Heather's Temple. This is. Well, I didn't know what it was. I just saw it, right?

Right. And so that caused me to get into deep research into Egypt. And I met Dr. Robert Gilbert that ran the Vesica, Institute. It was sacred geometry is what he taught. Sadly, he passed away last year. But he made a lot of sense to what I was seeing. So it's been a wrong journey trying to figure it out. I don't have the answers like everybody thinks. It's more, the more I learn, the more I learn I don't know, right? It's just the big, it's just so big. We can't imagine what is a around us. But they took me up over the Midwest. I saw what I was crying and fear about. My wife recorded.

One particular thing was I was saying in my sleep that they were showing me Bigfoot on Mars, of all things. Oh, come on. I'm not joking. I saw it in a dream or asleep. I was asleep. She recorded that. But I remember seeing it in the dream,

me, and I'm landing in this bubble, and here comes walking up these creatures that were furry-looking. So she's asking me questions, and I'm answering in my sleep. But it all began to center around the scary thing was. And this is what got the powers that be interested even more, is that I saw the same. sun start to grow in size in the sky. Before you get to that, is this before what you call in your book your five years of darkness? This was in the five years of darkness. Can you tell me a little bit about how you went from this experience where you're feeling peaceful and then now five years of dark, that's a lot of darkness. What happened? Well, what I call it that is I came home with a story

that I'm Dustin Hoffman. They're looking at me like, look, he's crazy, he's lost it, you know. He's because I'm saying all this weird stuff, right? And I'm really like Dustin Hoffman. I'm obsessed with it bad, and I couldn't control it. And that turned into a backfire because the more I talked about it, the worse it got.

And it got so bad that I come home, one day and there's the sheriff pulls up in the yard and these social workers and it got so bad that at school elementary schools and high schools

they were questioning my kids because I was on TV now and made a DVD in 2008 you know Mufon did that and promised to vindicate me and they made it worse five and far that was a hit job yeah it was a hit job and so now I've got the school question

my kids. Next thing I know social services is at my house trying to take me out of the house from my family. All this is the darkness for five years this went on. It was just constant. This might be too personal question, but is your wife on your side at this point? Yeah, yeah. She's on my side, but it's out of control now, right? Everybody, she's just trying to be a mom and live her normal life and raise her four kids, right? And I'm just. Are you still welcome in church? Well, yeah, no. They told me if I had to completely stop talking about this

if I ever wanted to be involved in the church anymore. And I'm like, sorry. I am having church. To me, it is church. It's not evil. It's not the devil. It's something much greater, and I aim to pursue that.

So, yeah, they kind of gave me that. to made them there. Although I've been a couple of times during Easter or Mother's Day, you know, that I'll go with the wife. Well, I want us to take a break in just a minute, but can you give us before we go to break that final scene, that final moment in five years of darkness where you went out? Okay, yeah, that's when it all changed. Yeah, and then when we come back, we can get into it.

Okay, good. Five years of fighting, social services, fighting, the communities ridicule so bad. It was so bad I wouldn't go to the grocery store anymore. I'd hold my head down. And here I'm working with NASA, right? I've got NASA scientists at my house, and I'm down at Cape Canaveral. I'm all these places. I ain't gotten to Cape Canaver yet, but I'm with NASA.

It was a NASA scientist out Pover-Mire, went to my mom and dad's house and said, you need to listen to your son. He's not lying. Don't worry, gang. We're going to get into all that in a moment. So at the end of five years, it was Easter of 2012. I was so beat down that Richard Dreyfus and me had gone into hiding now and shame. The zeal that I had hadn't gone away, but the wall I was hitting is now affecting my kids. because my kids are coming home crying. Sure.

They're being made fun of in school, picked on in the hallways, and called out in class by teachers and children. So I went to bed that night at 9.30. It was a Saturday night of 2012 before Easter. So that morning, Sunday morning's Easter, right? I walked out about 9 o'clock, and I looked up at the heavens,

and it killed me to say it because I was so deeply moved, about what happened and the Richard Dreyfus to experience and to talk to it and to find more, that's what I wanted. And I had to concede. I let the community beat me down and the church and the family. And I say extended family.

Our family's big in our town. We've been there since the 1700s, so there's two or three hundred cousins that live around or relatives in that town. So I went out and I shouted at the heaven. Why did you do this to me? Now I've ruined my children's lives. I was sick.

Thank you for healing me. I lost everything. Now I have nothing. It's worse. I can't even get a job now. Nobody will hire me. And I've put in several jobs. I needed work.

I couldn't get any work. Not even family members would hire me. People that work for me. They got that bad. So I shouted at God. And I said, I quit. I'll never talk about this again to save my children and what's left there. And I went to bed at 9.30 at 3 o'clock in the morning.

And I know it was 3 because when I heard this voice, I heard it. It was so loud it woke me up out of a dead sleep. My clock, my alarm clock on the counter back then we had the digital ones. Now you don't have those anymore. It said 3 a.m. So I heard it and I stood up. And it was set up in the bed, and I could see movement. Just flared, or just not very clear,

but I could see movement at the bed in my room. Let's stop there. Let's take a break there. Okay. Okay. It's a good spot for a break. Good. We'll be right back.

It's Easter 2012, and your shout, I'm done. I don't want any more to do with this. You ruin my life. You wake up 3 a.m. And this voice. Okay. This had arise, and it sounded like. like the deepest manly voice I'd ever heard.

So I wake up, I see this movement at the end of my bed, and I'm like, who said that? I know you're in here. There's the very words I said. And I don't know what happened, how they were able to control our movements and what we do. Maybe they can turn time off, I don't know. But I got up, fully dressed.

I was in my underclothes right. Now I'm in full blue jeans, socks, coat and I'm heading outside. So I walk behind these shadowy figures following them. You're not afraid?

No, I've been afraid since. Okay. Every since what happened to me, I lost all fear. I invite it, you know, I want to say, it's not here to hurt. And I knew that. I still know that. So I'm following it.

and it leads me out to the dog kennel right where Chris Jr. and I put Nelly in the forest and said, go get them. They were standing in the same spot. And one of these shadowy figures hands me something. It stops and it reaches out and it hands me this object. And I said, this is yours you must keep. So I reached out and I took it. And when I did, it felt like,

holding a hedgehog how they had little spikes on them it felt prickly so I dropped it on the no head or tail no head no tail it just felt like a bag of bones like an animal with no legs no head you're describing a treble from Star Trek maybe okay so you dropped it I dropped it and it said no you must keep this so I reached down pick it up it said you must keep this so I reached down to pick it up and I'm juggling the thing I'm scared of it I don't know what I got it's dark right and I look up and they're gone. So I'm standing at the dog kennel. So I reached sober and I thought,

I'm going to not let it get away. I'm not going to lose it. I open the dog kennel, set it in, close the door. Are the dogs in there? No, they're gone. Okay, okay. So whatever this is not as safe from the... Right, so all the dogs are gone.

Okay. This is five years later. And the minute I closed that door, I felt this blast of air, this wind just hit me like, physical wind and it wasn't the trees it wasn't the wind like you it was concentrated it was in front of me it was almost like somebody blasted me with an air blower caught me off balance and pushed over backwards so I fell to my back

in the leaves right where all this happened with the dog and you know in 2007 and as I'm falling backwards I see what was coming at me out of this black blackness. It's like I'm looking at an oak tree but now I can't see it. Does I see the tops of it but this hole opens up and

out comes this bull like a huge cow runs right over me and I could see through it. It was translucent. I could see the stars up in it. And it was just so quick and so powerful it scared me because of the force from the wind and this thing

I grew up on a farm right. Workin, my neighbor had a dairy farm, had cows. We had pigs. But the minute it went over, I landed on my back, and I rolled my stomach, so now I'm facing behind me, and I'm getting up to run all in the same time. And when I do, there's no longer a cow there, standing, not standing, about six to eight feet from me is floating. This most beautiful woman, from heaven. Like I say, you would think it's an angel or whatever it is.

She looks at me and she leans towards me and she looks at me and she says, you know why I'm here and I knew what. Because it was hard for me to fuss at God and whatever it was, I still

try not to label this, right? Because we really don't know. And it's up to everybody to experience it, figured out on their own. But she said, you know why I'm here, you're not going to quit. She said, this is your burden you have to bear. And she said, if you'll continue to do this,

I promise you I'll be with you and I will help you. And on top of that, I'll allow you to fill my presence and let you share us with others. Before, I couldn't film it. That's one of the things that made me so angry. I'd go out and there's an orb hovering 100 feet over the house, golden orb, pull my camera out and it says, memory recorder error.

The camera don't work anymore. Or every time it would appear, when I get the camera out, it disappear. It wouldn't let me film it. So I'll never forget right after that. I started a mass in a database. Never had any information, but now I've got a lot. Chris, you mentioned that you were shown Hathor's Temple. I don't know if you know this, but

she's the goddess of maternity and motherhood. And according to ancient Egypt, she is the sky. She came before everything. The Sophia. Yes. Which I think in Greek is wisdom. And Hathar is depicted as a cow. in ancient Egypt. And whenever she's depicted as a human, she always has horns. Well, she told me that,

because I asked who she was, and she said she had many names. That she was from, she was called Hathor in Egypt. And that resonated with me because the first thing that showed me was Egypt, right? And I saw the faces of Hathor

carved in the temples and it's like cow ears and stuff. Yes. And so immediately that resonated, but she said she had many names in many countries, many cultures from Diana to Demeter to Hera to the white buffalo calf lady and the American Southwest. American Southwest, Hinduism, Buddhism, Lakshmi. Could it be Mary? Well, I suppose it could be.

But in my research, I know that the word. spirit, the definition of a spirit. Nobody really understands that, but it's the wind, right? And the word Holy Spirit is the breath of God. Well, that most impactful thing to me was not only seeing and hearing, but the wind that pushed me over. The cowering and over I saw it, but the wind physically, it frightened me, it hit me so hard, you know what I mean? So here's this force that came at me only to to reveal itself as the most beautiful woman I had ever seen. So I went from extreme fear to, oh my God, what am I looking at?

You know? And she's allowed me to share her presence or the orbs with everyone. Yes, she has. Every, all those men that were on that trip with you, that fishing trip, have all come forward and corroborated. Your son has said has happened. I think orb sightings in your, your presence are now numbering in the thousands.

Hundreds of people have seen them. Thousands of people. Yeah, I've had a thousand at one time. So now, I don't know what to call it or the divine feminine or whatever. Now you're back on your mission. Right. So take us back through Crohn's disease, which is a very difficult disease with no cure. And you were cured of that.

It's gone. I went to Chapel Hill. A doctor sent me to Chapel Hill to find out if where it had gone to, if the markers were still there and there are no markers. When did that, when did, were you cured? I was cured in 2007. 2009, I came down with rheumatoid arthritis. And it really didn't get bad, but I know to me that rheumatoid came.

on from the stress during those five years. And I'm in remission now. It did a lot of damage. But even the rheumatoid doctor said, well, maybe even Gary Nolan, Gary Nolan told me that it probably was a reprieve from the Crohn's and it came back as RA. Could be.

I went to Chapel Hill. Chapel Hill, I have the paper. I'll share with you. It says there's absolutely no. I believe you. No marker there. It did not move from one to the other. So, yeah.

And this healing ability, unbelievably, you have shared with others. Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about that? Because when I say share with others, I don't mean a boy in your neighborhood. I mean, you've been summoned to the White House.

Yeah. Well, That was part of what she gave me when she came in 2012. Did it start with Nelly? It started with my dog, Nelly. And believe it or not, she came back in 2013. It didn't happen the first year in 2012. 2013, she came back.

And she told me on 2013 about the thing with Iran and Israel. So it was 2013 when I first got that information. And that's the year that I was asked. to put it right into the Pentagon. What did she see between Iran and Israel? She said when you see Israel and Iran begin to exchange missiles and I saw them in vision.

You know, they give you telepathic you see. It's like looking at a television, really. That's what it kind of looks like. She said, when you see these happen, that's when we're going to come in and we're going to start waking up the population. We're going to reveal ourselves, which will change the consciousness of people. So all this new knowledge is about disclosure, it's about consciousness,

and they're going to make it happen, because it tames people. It opens us up, it turns us into psychic beings. It gives us power. A lot of things, this does. All right, we'll get back to that in a little bit. Can you just start with Nelly? It's such a touching story. Then what happens from...

So this is how this went. down. And there are pictures of all of this. Yeah, there's witnesses, a lot of witnesses. So 2013, Easter, she comes. Two weeks later, two weeks after Easter. This journalist, UFO is a UFO researcher out of Canada. Good friend of mine, a guy I really have a lot of liking for us.

Grant is on the way from Congress. They were doing this mock Congress thing in Washington, and he calls me, he says, I'm going to Florida to do an event down there and would love to stop on the way and visit you. I said, why don't you come stay the night? He says, okay, comes, he stays two days. He goes to Florida. He calls me on the way back, and he's like,

man, can I just stop back by? I'd like to at least take pictures of the burning tree. I didn't get to do that while I was there. And so... The burning tree? Yeah. That's something else that happened right after the lady come. I'll show you this.

I have the video of it. There's so many biblical connections to this story. Yeah. True. It's a true story. We have it on video. And I'll get back to Grant and Nelly, right? So in October of 2013, October that year.

October of 2012, about 13, 2012. Because Grant come on 2013. right, October of 2012, right after the lady comes, she came in April, here it is October. It had been raining for two days. My wife and I, and children were living next to my dad on a six-acre property, right? 600 feet deep property and probably 500 feet wide

or something like that. And I was a smoker then. That's when I quit smoking. I quit smoking October 2012. after the lady came and seeing this, I wouldn't want to smoke anymore, right? Good idea. So we were watching TV, my wife and I.

I said, I got to smoke. So I paused the movie we were watching. On the cable vision, okay, well, I paused it. I walked out in the back door, lit up a cigarette, and I'm on the back patio. It was a concrete patio. The wife says, I'll be out in a minute. And so she's walking by the back door

as a full glass door. She looks out at me through the glass and sees way back in the back of the property this tree, what looked like somebody lit a couple of bottle rockets off from the ground and they shot up and they did this, right? She sees that and says, what?

She opened the door. She said, what's going on with that tree? I said, I have no idea, but I saw that too. And then all of a sudden, sparks would poof out three feet and they would just kind of do like fireworks it looked like. Then suddenly, poof, this thing erupted into flames and it's burning 12 feet in the air.

From the inside of the tree is burning and it's shooting up through the tops. She freaks out. Oh my God, how did this happen? And we run out and anyhow, Ryan, my son, he takes his iPad, he's got his hand and he starts filming this. This tree just spontaneously

combust it in our backyard. So I run a hosepipe all the way out there. Give it at my wife and she puts it up in the tree inside of it and sprays it all and puts it out. Messed her up so bad.

She couldn't sleep. I couldn't think. That was at 9.30. At 12 o'clock she walks by the back door and looks and it's burning again. It's burning again. It's burning again.

So we go out and we put it out the second time. At 3 a.m., she can't sleep. She goes by the door there it is burning again so she puts it out the third time nine 12 and 3

and so Grant is there wanting to see this tree I have a video I'll share that burning tree video it's under my name Chris Bloodsaw Burning Tree you can look that up on YouTube it's been there since way back then and

that tree became very famous I bet a lot of people would bring articles of clothing and all and put in the tree and healings what happened and stuff. So April 2013, Grant Cameron comes two weeks after Easter. And we walk out to the tree, we look at the tree and stand around at 20 minutes conversate and he's got his camera all in it and around it, right? And my black Labrador nearly is laying beside us. She just would walk where we'd then lay down, right?

So she'd been with us the whole time. Grant's like, okay, I'm done. So we start back to 75 yards from back there to the back door of the house. All my kids are standing on the patio. They have friends there. Grant's got his camera in his hand. He's been filming the tree, right? And Nellie, and Grant and I walk right up to the patio, stop short of the patio.

I'm standing on the dirt. He's standing on the patio between me in the house. He was looking at me. I'm looking at the house. Nellie's laying here beside us, right? I said, Grant, if you want to, I'll get the kids to get your bags out of the car and he can just stay tonight with us. And he's like, oh, that'd be fabulous.

So immediately he turns his back to me and starts toward the door. To the back door is open. We live in the country. I heat it with wood. It didn't have heat. And so I'd leave the doors open that time of year and windows and all. and so Nelly takes off to beat us in the door you know, a dog would do that

and try to cut you and get in front of her. But she did it, and when she did, I saw her go by and blood shoot out of her neck, right out of the side of her neck, long stream of blood, wet down Grant's pants, there's a string of blood going right on in the back of the house, and I ran in the door, oh my God,

I tackled her on the floor. It'll be plank flooring, you know, it's real slippery. Yep. especially with blood, it's a slippery thing. I tackle her, and I drag her back out of the house. She's about 80 pounds of heavy, and me with rheumatoid arthritis, you know,

it was adrenaline that kicked in. So I drag her out and I lay her on the patio, and we were all looking, and Grant's standing there with the camera, and she's got a hole in her neck this long, right across her vein. We don't know how it got there. My friend at NASA, the dragon,

he suggested maybe I should look into healing because maybe the phenomenon is trying to tell me something so I didn't think about it but that's what happened but here's how it went she's laying there bleeding to death I got my hand on her neck and blood's coming up through my fingers every time her heart would be the blood would shoot out it's all over the floor

patios and grants pits So I knew at that moment she wasn't going to live Because we were 30 minutes from a vet Out in the country, 25 She's going to bleed to death before I didn't even get her in the car Is this that much blood And so I just kind of I can remember blocking everyone out

I didn't realize who was standing there at that moment I just looked up at heaven I said Lord you got to help her She's going to die And the minute I said said it. I felt her struggle just she went limp. And the picture I'll share with you has

her laying there completely limp, didn't even wiggle. It went on for a while to where I had Chris Jr. go get a rag. I thought maybe we could put pressure on it and help it. Stop the hole so he went in and got a washcloth right. So everybody sees what's happening.

But the minute I said the prayer and she went limp I lifted the rossed cloth up her neck and the hole was disappeared. It was gone. She just stood up and waggled her tail and walked away. Like nothing happened. Like nothing happened.

Grant saw it. He documented it. He wrote a paper on it in an article or two. And so I told that to my NASA friends. And I told it to someone. After the lady came, a whole lot of people started showing up. Well, when did the government first? 2008.

How did they find it? you? How did they... Did you report what happened? I reported it. Well, let's just say in 2007 is when it happened right in January. Under my wife's wishes not to ever talk about it anymore because it was interrupting the children and the schedule, I decided I wouldn't talk about it and try to hold it. But I'm Richard Dreyfus, right? I got to talk about it. You have to. And so I went in agony. I went in depression and slept in my little office for October, 10 months. I went and talked to my wife. I was so upset. Felt restricted.

But I understood her position with the kids, right? But I had so much anxiety, and I just had to talk to somebody. So I went on the computer and found this outfit called Mufon. and said, report your sighting. So I wrote it up, and I didn't hit sin, because I knew if I did, I might lose my family. Yeah. So for two weeks there, I looked at it in agony.

I finally hit the button, and the very next day I get a call out of California from a guy named Jim DeManchi, I think his name was. And he's like, man, we want to come visit, and we want to investigate. And I'm like, hold on. I just wanted to tell somebody, I don't want you out here.

This is going to cause me a problem. So I said, no, thank you. So January comes along. This was October. They have called me every week, and I kept telling them. Move-Fond's calling. Yeah, every week.

And January comes. They called me and said, we're going to officially close the case if you don't want to talk about it. They'd already opened a case file. I said, well, okay, I'll talk about it. So within a week, but within by February of that,

of 2008, I allowed them to come in February. So it happened in January of 2007. So I'm February of 2008, right a year and a month later. And we, shoot, I forgot where I was going with that. We had the government first. Yeah. So when I reported it, Jim Cimeyvan told me that he knew the very minute that I reported it. Because some would say move on the government, have a little bit of a...

the same. It's all the same. It's a data gathering apparatus. That's all they do is they gather data and they use volunteer people to do it. So they you get a sighting and they ask you hey, AJ you since you had that sight and you want to become an investigator from Mupon? And it's exciting, right? And they can tell if you're like Richard Dreyfus, you'll call for it every time. And they tried to give me a training manual and and but I never because of what happened, What happened next was terrible. This is 2008 February. By March, they had six or seven investigators

at my house all the time, and they were convincing me to do a documentary on discovery. We're going to vindicate you. This was a month, two months after I met them, they already had it in place. By June, they had the whole thing shot, and I was determined to

to prove myself that, you know, I saw this. It really happened. And the community said, no, it didn't. You know, you're dealing with the devil. Long story short, it backfired. Yes, it did. Mufan did a hit job on you. Yeah, yeah.

And what everyone points to is that you didn't pass the lie detector test. Right. channel I tell everybody that those things do not work right right but what's not emphasized is you pass a psychiatric exam perfectly yeah yeah perfectly same man yeah and a lot of detector was a it was a farce they gave me 34 questions you only supposed to have three or four questions you know right but they asked me 34 over over for two hours and um it was an abusive thing. The whole thing was abuse.

They came in and filmed this show. And I write about this in the book where they my little children were so excited Hollywood's coming. Right, my daughter's 10, 11 years old. Here they come. And they got this assistance going around. A lot like

your staff. They're working for the support the thing. And they come and they take my kids orders for dinner. Are they going to send out for dinner? And we were all, you know, they're all in my house. They took my whole house over. There's 17 people in their crew. My whole house is rearranged,

couches moved, furniture, cameras. They go out and get dinner, took our order. And when they got back, the kids just went to the table and they didn't have any food for us. And the producer said, well, you guys weren't in the budget. Wow.

So they sat there in my house, ordered food and ate without feeding us. And I knew then I was in the mess. Yeah, and then went and aired a hit job on you. Yeah, yeah. So that's the kind of thing to happen. And is that where the government? Well, the government, yeah, Jim said he knew immediately.

It was a hit job. Yep. Felt sorry for me. And he said, and I could never talk to you until I retired from CIA. But once I overtly retired, then he's the first one I met. Wait, this is Jim. Simovian. Jim Simovina.

Yeah. He wrote the award on your book. Yeah. So this is a senior CIA official. Yeah. When did you first meet him? I met him in 2013 right after the healing. But the first government person I met was Dr. Hal Povermeier from NASA.

He is a debunker. Well, he was. He was. Yeah, so they sent him to debunk my case. He's a senior official at NASA for, you know, or a contractor with him, engineer, still holds a security clearance when he died, 59, 60 years he was there. Yep. He was serious people, right? But he shows up one day in the fall or summer.

Right after the thing aired in June or July, but in a month he knocks on my door. My son Ryan calls me, I'm in town working or something, and he's called his dad. There's this very tall guy from NASA here at the house wants to meet you. I said, NASA. He said, yeah, he's a little all away from Cape Canaverville. By chance, if I ain't.

you. I said, we'll tell him to hang around I'll be there in an hour. So he did. And I was terrified because I had been told by Mufund's people in the UFO world, they'll kill you. The government in black. Yeah, they'll kill you, right? And so we're, the whole family

terrified by this giant of a man, right? Isn't it from the government's never good news. Yeah, right? Turned out he was like a family member. He stayed with our family until he died in 2019. Thanksgiving, he was coming. He and Katie, his wife, were coming to visit us for Thanksgiving.

He was 80, and he fell in his head. He never come to after that. Was he the one who got you involved in the intelligence community? Yeah, in a way, that and Jim. But he was there in 2008, and he would come every year for two, three, four, five times a year and stay. He'd come to my kids' birthdays. He'd come to my daughter's recitals. And he told me, he said, Chris, he told everybody, you know, that's what I did. I debunked everything. I was the one that did that.

He said, but I had to tell you, I could not ever debunk you. He said, I found eight witnesses in Grace Creek where this thing happened on the river. move on, I didn't go out and look. He went and put in the effort. He went to the airport. He checked behind me. He checked my building records. He checked everything.

And he could never debunk me. And we went right before he died. He said, Chris, he said, I know about everything there is to know about this. I've been there a long time. And I've always wondered, is it spiritual or is it alien? He said, and we all suspect one of the other, but not sure. He said, but now I know. I know now it's about God.

And that's what the very God NASA told me that. Well, at this point, meaning present day, you've had CIA, DOD, the CIA, all of them. Yeah. And I mean senior leaders, not some low congresspeople. What is their interest in this phenomena? It's as much as an interest, it's more of an interest to the government than us. I mean, we want to know it.

They're people like us, right? Right. And they want to know what it is. But also, they want to know the technology and how to defend whatever. So there's the human curiosity about the spiritual aspect, but there's also fear that there's technology

that we can't defend against. Yeah. Because they don't know. You know, most people automatically, they're conditioned to believe alien. These things are alien. It's coming from the Pleiades or this or that. And you don't believe that?

I think it lives right beside us all the time. It's around us. It knows your thoughts. I know this. I can demonstrate it at any time with groups of people. I believe you. Yeah. Now, what if there, this is maybe,

out there, but what if there's life on other planets? Does this energy exist all ever for infinitely? Yeah, I think it's, I think something I was concerned about the triangle. I asked people at the government, the dragon and others. What does that triangle mean? What does it mean? The dragon, by the way, is Tim Taylor, who's a very elusive figure. Yeah, yeah.

And he seems like he can swipe his card and get anywhere. He can. And in the White House or any king or queen, it doesn't matter, the Vatican. You walk right in the bottom, the basement of the Vatican. The archives? I know somebody else can too. Well, who's that? I was a friend out of Washington.

You don't want to name them? No, you probably wouldn't want me to name. So the Vatican is interested in this as well. Oh, yeah. Have they been in touch with you? They have. several people, yeah. What is the Vatican?

To them, what I'm seeing is the Virgin Mary. Right. Right, and they're... Go to Fatima, what do they see, orbs? They saw orbs. Mostly orbs. They see, sometimes they get the full apparition, but a lot of times at these holy sites, they see the orbs. And I think the Catholic Church now has acknowledged UFOs.

And I could be wrong, but haven't they received? revealed at this point three secrets of Fatima, which were hell war, and the end of religion was the white bishop, I believe it was, being murdered on a mountain. So were you ever shown? I mean, we talked earlier about, there are so many stories about two timelines. And we're in an inflection point where we can choose as a species, we can go down a dark path of evil where we can go down the light path of enlightenment and we're at the point where which where we're headed well i think we're heading to the light i hope you're right but were you ever shown what were you ever shown the other side yeah did you tell us well yeah i saw

the first four hours when i was gone remember the four hours and i started to hit on this earlier Yep. They showed me Hathor's Temple. They showed me the pyramids. They showed me Egypt as a whole.

The Spinks was the biggest thing. Three pyramids. I'm looking over the pyramids at the rear end of the Spinks. That's the position we were in.

Then they transport me up over the United States somewhere up over the Midwest. And we were way up high and we were looking

and they're talking. They're narrating these things. And all of a sudden I see the sun. swell up in the sky. It got real big to where the whole sky become the sun.

And then it flashed. And the lights went out. And I knew then that was the reset mechanism. And they told me, this is what we're in for. Is this a solar flare or is this something worse? It was a supernova. Oh, no. That's the end of everything then. Yeah.

So that's not the lights going out, that's everything out. Right. And that's how the tectites got here. Scientists have tried to say, oh, that can't be a supernova. Well, yeah, it can. It's happened before, and we know it has because I've studied with Dr. Popemeyer was the world's expert on tectites. Yeah, he was.

And how did they get made? It comes through a supernova. It didn't come from a solar flare. It come from a supernova. He told me that, and we know that. and that it can happen again. So the way they explained it was we had two timelines, we had a choice.

They said that there were people in power scripting the book of revelations to bring about the end of the world. They want to do this, these religious nuts, I guess you would call it, people that are, I don't know why they'd want to do that. I think it's a shadow government and that's why they're building bunkers

and all of that is because they're trying to engineer the end of the world. Yeah, and that's what she told me. That's what the beings told me, that they were trying to bring about the end of the world. And if we'd go that route, it would end up in Armageddon. And like the Bible says,

Jesus comes back and saves the world, right? So that's what I was talking about with Sean, Ryan, was that timeline. But the other timeline they said was that the reset button didn't have to happen if we made the choice to seek, the light and remove the darkness from our, and that they were going to help.

And that's by waking us up. And does that lead us into the 2026 event? 2026 into a time of awakening and peace, not war. And you have been called, I know you don't like the word prophet. Right. So let's just call it a prediction. What was the prediction that the lady made? what she told me was

it was a riddle in a way she said when the red star of regulus now keep in mind I don't know anything about astronomy I don't know what regulus is she just put these number of words out she said when the red star of regulus aligns

in the gaze of the spinks and she showed it to me it looked like a little red ball now regulus is blue is blue but she said it would appear red on the horizon and just before dawn. When that happens, at that point, would mark a shift into a new knowledge

and awakening of the people? Don't mean that you're going to flip a switch and we all of a sudden know that day. I think it's just the beginning of a new era, a new knowledge, and maybe that's the revealing of this, the truth of consciousness. And this will be the sphinx gazing at Regulus.

Do you know what constellation Regulus is in? It's in Leo. It's in Leo. Isn't that crazy? It is. Why does the space force have, on their badge, a triangle? Right. With a sphinx looking up at a star.

That's funny that you mention that if you look at a lot of the logos, whether it's NRO, all these, there's all this Egyptian iconography on them. Yeah. It makes me think they know something we don't know. Oh, they do. They do. They do. I can tell you they do. What do they know?

And why won't they tell us? I wish I could tell you something I do know. Okay. But let's just say, without me getting in really serious trouble. Are you under any NDA? No, you're not. So you can speak freely. I can, but I might cut my toes off or cut myself off from a stream of information.

As the legal counsel, I would advise you to be careful. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. But I do know that they've documented things over the last several hundred years. Several hundred years. Ever since they started keeping records in the U.S. and abroad over hundreds of years, thousands of years, 2,000 or more, the specific thing I'm speaking about. Well, we can see warbs in paintings that are hundreds of years old.

Yeah, yeah. And it's like the Gelder painting of Jesus being baptized, by John the Baptist. Yes. There's a cloud up there and it looks like a flying saucer with laser beams.

Yes, it does. How did they know to draw laser beams into 1300s? Right, exactly. They didn't have a flashlight right. So, yeah,

there's a whole lot of knowledge that's hidden knowledge. Do you think disclosure is happening now? We're in post-disclosure. You think it's already happened?

It's happened. It's happened. main one person at a time. Because I'm very suspicious of what we're being told. Right. Because I don't know what's true and what's not true. So I don't know if this is planned disclosure. And if it is, I don't like that.

I don't. Well, they're planning it. They're definitely planning it. And they've turned up the notch 100% right. Partly because when the drone thing happened. And there weren't drones. They were not drunk. at all. And we know that they weren't drunk.

They know that they want drums. The warbs, right? It's the very thing I predicted. I didn't predict it. I just told what I was told. That when Iran and Israel go to exchanging missiles, then the orbs would start appearing.

Out of the sea, out of the land, out of the sky. And they were firing at one other in November. And what happened in November, December. orbs appeared everywhere so the government freaked out and they started sending their own

drones up, big ones and leave them for days hanging around. All that was done to confuse the people. So you're a pilot I've been shown from another pilot a Notam report that showed in advance all these areas

where drones would be but the government never told us that. They never said relax, we got it, it's us. They kept us confused and frightened. What would be the purpose of that? Why frighten the population? I'll tell you why, because I was sitting in a restaurant with some people from the Pentagon

and some Congress and others in the Capitol Grill in Washington, D.C. this past summer. And after that happened with the, it was in this year, the thing happened. in November, right, December, for this past summer. Yep. And, or spring. It was not too far after that. We were meeting. And they wanted to know my opinion about this.

I said, I told you, you start shooting missiles with Iran. You're going to get, you're going to get it. And they're like, oh, my God, this is, this is catastrophic disclosure. So that term was coined with me sitting at a meeting with these people. back this year. So they don't want that to happen. They don't want to lose control of the people. They're afraid if they push the button too far,

it's going to come down here and wake us all up and take over. They're worried what's going to happen. And then they lose their power, their control? Continuity of government. Continuity government. So this all points back to the DOD and the Pentagon. That's exactly what's going on. So they backed off of Iran.

They quit shooting at one another. The whole thing settled down, but it didn't stop. The minute we put F-35s in Poland, they started shutting down airports over there. The orbs did, not drones. The orbs did. They're orbs. If there were a nuclear war,

do you think these orbs would stop it? They would stop it. Because we know that they have shut down nuclear facilities. They told them. You keep pushing these buttons. We're going to expose you. We're going to stop it. And they keep warning them that.

Are the orbs themselves craft or are they beings? Both. They're both. I say both because I have video of orb beings coming out of orbs. I'll show you one today where this orb approaches myself and two to three ladies, one's very sick with cancer. It approaches right up to us and flashes and outsteps of seven foot tall, glowing white figure.

these orbs these smaller orbs are beings when they flash you see a flash that steps

something just stepped out of it so I think it's a way they can come into our world through that light

but I have also seen many and filmed I have a whole thing of flying saucers and metal balls like

the bugosphere um tick tacks we'll put all that footage in this episode because it's all there. It's really undefunkable.

When I see people, debunkers try to say that these are airplanes or I just don't get it. Because I've seen the video of it happen in real time where an ore will appear and disappear. And there are places around the world, I think, like, I think it's the Hasidon lights and the Marfa lights and the Brown Mountain lights. Are these orbs as well in these different places? Yeah, that's what they are. Where did they come from? Where did they start? They're here.

They're around us all the time. We just can't see them. I mean, the beginning. Whoever created consciousness. I look at this is a little different than a lot of people do. And I'm slowly creating a hypothesis. You know, we're never going to know until there's a lot of, you know, we may not ever know.

I'm wondering where the origin of these beings were. Well, I was going to say my little way, a difference in the way I think there, and this is biblical, kind of. What are angels? What are they? The Bible says they're messengers. Right.

Doesn't mean it's grandma with wings, right? Everybody has a misconception about this. These angels are terrifying experience. It tells you, even Diana told me, angelic experience is terrifying because they're creatures right or or they're different than us a lot different they can come anyway they want to come but it's a tough question but I think that they're I think they're fractals of God or consciousness the word God in consciousness is the same right and I have the greatest time right now watching all these scientists that are atheists saying

we're studying consciousness well you're studying God right so this is a great thing And this is what it's all happening. We're studying consciousness, which is what is God? It's everything. It's everything. Whether you call it God or the universe or whatever you call it,

it's the source of who programmed this world we live in. It's all information. It was all written in code. It was all pre-written. So somebody programmed this thing that we're living in. It's all programmed. It's the simulation. Yeah, it's a simulation.

So if our souls are spiked, out of the source and these orbs are spun out of the source. What's the difference? That's our, it's a fractal of God. In other words, how can seven billion people or eight billion people pray and have a personal experience with God at the same time? They're all connected. It's all connected. So these orbs are just a little piece of that. They're a little piece, intelligent piece of God responding to you and me. And that's where Jesus said. The kingdom of heaven is within us and if you had the faith of a muster seed you could tell that mountain the moon it would so what is he telling us there they didn't like what he was

saying so they killed him yeah that's right and but I think that we're magical beings with humongous power do you think we can all do what you do yeah 100% do you how do you do you because you can summon orbs at will I don't call it summoning because that is kind of a dark term. You don't summon these things. Okay. It's like to ordering God what to do, right?

You summon things. People say it's evil. Well, they're summoning. You may get evil doing that, right? I still haven't that word because it's not about summoning. That's in the Bible as well. Yeah, yeah. When you talk summoning,

whoever's doing that, these guys doing psionics summoning, well, they don't know what they're getting. They're liable to get trouble. Really, it's bad stuff because it's out there too. But I humble myself

and I say a little prayer. I have a little prayer that's like this short one and it's just asking the Holy Spirit whom I believe is the lady to come share her presence with us. That's all I do.

Nothing else. That's it? In front of a thousand people I had church. You had contact with Gina, right? Yeah. The most liberal

UFO place you could go to. I just had a little church for about two minutes. 300 people saw orbs. It was a thousand. A thousand saw orbs that you prayed for. Yeah, I just ask a little prayer. I said,

look, the lady I met I believe is a divine being. She was made of light. She was floating. She'd come at me like the wind, the spirit. Could it be the Holy Spirit. I don't know, but that's where

I believe, you know. And it's okay, I believe that. We all imagine God in our own way. Sure, right? The problem we have in this world is this brother Tom over there. He wants to kill me because I don't think like him, right? I know. Kill you because

you're blaspheming. Well, who knows? You know, how do you know? How do you know? Right? So that's the problem we've got to come to understand. It is this whole thing is not in our in our we can't imagine this why I try to own it and name it and kill people and have wars there was something you have no idea how complex and how mysterious this whole thing is whether you're right or wrong right we're living in it in two dimensions

the world is much more complicated yeah it's real complex you said something earlier earlier that kind of frightened me a bit that this energy is here it's a positive energy is a good energy it's a protective energy yeah what's it protecting us from um the dark's force oh boy there is a dark force let me say this that gives a little um kind of where i believe this and i learned this through dr gilbert robert he explained something to me about Egypt. He said, you know what they dig out of the ground in Egypt the most? Of all the artifacts they dig up over there, what is it?

And that would be pendulums. Pendulums. Sure. They get thousands of them out of the soil there. In fact, Dr. Gilbert sold a whole kit of different kinds, and he taught people to use them. The Freemasons use them. The Templars and different ones,

and the old knowledge these people use them. what the Egyptians would do is that they knew, and Robert explained this, they knew that the earth has these grid lines, and they're very close together. Some places they're further apart where they're stretched and all. But he's just like this. It's like a tic-tac-toe pattern.

Some call them lay lines? Yeah, yeah. You could, but they're very, they're abundant, and they're all over around the whole world. It's just energy traveling. Energy. North and south. And they're going back and forth.

I keep buttoning this thing. That's fine. He said those energy lines, some are negative and some are positive. And there are beings running up and down these energy lines constantly, moving back and forth. And if one of those negative lines happened to run to your house, through a bedroom where your child slept, that child could develop very bad problems sickness die from it from this constant negative energy

and these evil spirits are in that so they took pendulums and they would find these negative lines they would transmute them up off to surface to clear the area only leave the positive lines right so then they put these obelisk out there those things were tuned these stones were tuesday by somebody that we can't replicate. Why does there one in Central Park from Egypt?

That's right. One in Paris from Egypt. London, they went to Egypt and got them and brought them back, right? They're tuned to sound frequencies. They transmute this negative energy. And that's why all these cities are so big. All the biggest cities have them. And the pyramids were part of that.

I think they were tone generators peaking. this frequency to transmute the darkness. It's been proven that if you send the right frequencies toward the Great Pyramid, it will amplify it and turn it into energy. It's an amplifier. Yeah. Exactly what they were.

Yeah. I think the water underneath them and the salt that they find in them was creating this frequency, pinging constantly. Totally agree. I hate to plug my episode, but we do have an episode about the pyramid as a power plant,

as a power generator. And there's evidence of it of chemical reactions and hydrogen and it's all based around sound and music. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a belief

that the pyramids were defaced by the Europeans. You know, they were there before Jesus five, six hundred years. Sure. The Greeks were. But I've heard through Robert

that the pyramids used to have musical notes all over them and that somebody stripped that all off to... I haven't heard that. I'd heard that.

that before. So if there's the negative energy lines, is there also a negative energy source? Like we have our source? Well, everything is, yeah, the whole, the earth is a diehold. The sun shining on the earth creates the energy and you can see it in the Aurora. That's all electricity. So it's an electrical machine and we're all part of that electrical energy from the sun. And, yeah, so this negative energy is like a battery. Everything works on a positive and a negative pole. You have the same way on Earth, you have positive and negative poles, and you have a battery that cranks a car.

Ying and yang. It's all the same. Okay. That makes sense to me. Good and evil, light and dark. What happens when we die, Chris? I think that we You know

In my Christian world They had to preach about And I'm still Christian, right? I love I love I was born, raised on Jesus And always will I don't think anything you said today contradicts religion

But I believe a little differently That I don't think that we know Enough to To demand it That when you die You go to heaven It's out somewhere way away I think it's right here around us

and I think we can come back here. When people ask like I did what do you think happens when we die, I'm asking out of fear. Are you afraid? No, I'm not afraid at all. I'm not afraid. And I think that we're friends now

and we'll be friends forever. This life and the next. It's where it works. I believe there's a possibility in reincarnation. It was possible. I agree with that. I want us to take one more break

if you wouldn't mind coming back for one last segment. Sure, I'd love to. I'm having fun. You're having fun? When we come back, I'd like to talk about remote viewing, the Memorial Institute, some of that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. We'll look back in a sec. Tell me about the dragon. Tim Taylor, the most elusive man in Intel and uphology, how did you meet him? What's your relationship with him? um tim is that most elusive he's a ghost right i like to say that about him and he's a he is a he's a ghost because of his work what's what specifically does he pretty much in charge of all the

launches all the launch so is NASA yeah NASA SpaceX all of them you know NASA runs the launch facility but they all use that they rent it and i think it's public knowledge that he consults with Elon Musk so he's involved so imagine let's just say from what I know that that the National Reconnaissance Office does they have eyes on they have the satellites they on all the observation reconnaissance is that's right and so if you took mission control and Tim being the dragon he's the head he's ahead of that he's in charge So he has, Mission Control, let's just say, there's a square building. It looks like a mobile home that's put together a big double, quadruple wide mobile home, little metal tin on the outside.

But there's one hallway in the middle, and it's identical on the left to the right. And it's just a pretty long hallway. The building's not so small, but on the right, when you walk down the hall, you pass the offices, and then there's this big glass wall. And you look over in the glass wall, and it's kind of depressed in there. And there are all these consoles, people standing there, and they're running the launch, and the television screen.

On the left is exactly the same, but it's U.S. Air Force people. So over there, you've got fatigues on, camouflage, and they're in there running a launch while the NASA people on the right. Well, at the end of the hall is where the general is, and where Tim's little office is that he goes in after that launch goes up. He goes in there.

And he has these television screens only for him to see. Right. And he's communicating with the team that's flying an old friend. He died here a couple years ago. He's named Peter Choban. Peter in Araga from Houston. I write about him in my book. He's there.

I love Peter. He was old Texan. But Peter run the WB57 program out of Houston, which is these big high-flying, almost like a U-2 spy plane thing, but it's bigger. And it lorders around up there at 50,000 feet. So these ground-based cameras are looking at the rocket

when it takes off. It starts getting blurry up that high. This plane just intercepts it and follows it right. up and keeps it in its cameras until it gets to about 100,000 feet. And that's when this other plane called a F-104 Starfighter equipped with rockets on it, and they wear spaces in that thing. They fly away up there and they keep tailing the rocket.

So they're watching it every detail. There's like seven cameras on that plane following it. Once it gets past its range, it goes into the satellites, right? satellites, right? So what are they looking for? Two or three things. Big thing is a mechanical failure. If something goes wrong, they've got to know how to fix it. But why is the dragon in that one office? Right.

Because often these these UFOs, flying saucers, orbs will approach these rockets in space and investigate. and I have seen videos of them shooting them out of the sky or disabling them. And I'm like, why did they do that? Did they have weapons on that thing? He said, well, there was a mock nuclear warhead on there. But it wasn't active.

It wasn't, it wasn't, but they still wouldn't accept it. That's what he told me. I saw it. You can find that illustration online. I think it talks about a craft flying around a warhead, beaming light at it. saw that video until it's disabled I watched it that's the one I asked him why did they do that was there a weapon on that thing I mean and that told me all I needed to know because they're protecting they don't want us up there blowing up

warheads and stuff they don't want weapons in space what percentage of astronauts have seen all of right all of them how told my wife that one night I'll never forget before he died he would start talking more things he would never tell us he always said don't ask me that the men in black will come get me. I'm like, who's the men in black how? He says a bunch of CIA guys right around in black trucks. They all work for

Tim Taylor. Yeah, yeah. What do you think happened? Do you think we landed on the moon? I want to say I tell you how confusing they are. They put out disinformation big time. They don't necessarily tell you the truth

but they will tell you some things if you're paying attention but a lot of things they'll tell you it'll be confusing limited hangout yeah Tim and Tim told me and I got how now how's my best friend and he he was the he had the David E. Lard Award for 50 years of occultation grazing that's the moon he wrote books on the moon and he was the guy that that supposedly mapped it where Apollo laid landed on the moon, right? So he's telling me all about this

and that there are buildings up there that we didn't build. How would tell me this stuff? He said there's structures up there. He said there are old, ancient structures and we didn't build them. So do you think that we landed men on the moon in 1969? Well, I hear that, and then Tim tells me that, what do you think of the moon?

I'm like, it's not that he's telling me, he's planting these ideas in my head. Sure. I think of the moon. I don't know. I've been obsessed with it all my life. You know, I wrote about it in the book. I was a little boy. I was always staring at it. He said, do you think it's real? Think the moon is real? That's what he told me. He said, you think it's real? I said, well, I think so. He said, isn't it funny? And he gave the numbers like 400 million miles,

and it's in the exact spot, and it never changes its face, and it's locked in the... tidily locked. And how it got there, he said, maybe it was towed in position. There are ancient Native American legends about the sky without the moon and when it arrived and the earth was covered in mist. And when the moon arrived, that's when the tides and the oceans formed. I had no idea. Yeah.

That's the kind of things that they do, these intel people, they tell you all kinds of things. So I have to try to sift through the data and make my own thoughts. but insinuated that it may have been pulled here. A moon that large and that close has never been found on any planet ever and we've found thousands of them. We are the only one with this thing. If I had to guess,

I would say we went to the moon, saw some things and maybe the government didn't want us to see and that's why we didn't go back for a while. And maybe... I think that's probably the truth about it, you know, that we did go. there and they were told not to come back. They were told not to come back.

Yeah, most likely. So that leads me to remote viewing a little bit because Project Stargate. Right. So Joe McMonigal is a friend of yours, Project Stargate. Very good friend of mine, yeah. Ingo Swan was part of that project. He saw aliens on the moon and said, we're not welcome there. And he saw the structures and all of that.

And earlier you mentioned that you had a vision dream about Bigfoot on Mars, which sounds funny, but Joe remote viewed, without knowing what he was looking at, he was given coordinates. Right. And he said he saw large beings on Mars, and he finally opens up the card and it says it's Mars one million years ago. Oh. You said you've, you can remote view or you've trained in it? Yeah. Yeah.

In fact, you know, I'm on the... the history channel of being at Monroe Institute. And I'm kind of like an ambassador for them. And I promote them. I love them. My daughter, my son is a trainer for them. We're big fans of them here. Yeah, yeah.

And so I'm a huge supporter of them. They've helped me out a whole lot. But remote viewing, all of us have that capacity. Everybody. Some people, it comes easy. Some people have it all the time and don't know what's happening. We all have these moments where, say, you call, you think, I'm going to call my wife. Pick up the phone and you start dialing.

And suddenly your wife thinks about AJ and then the phone rings. Always. We all have it. Right. That tells you one thing that when your wife thought of you, you thought of her. Her thoughts fly through space and you're able to pick up on that. So that's what conscience is about. It's floating, it's an internet around us, and our brains is the receiver to it.

I think our information is stored throughout a whole body, even in our organs, but that's the computer. That's the CPU that's been shut off and doesn't know. What did you see when you remote viewed? All kinds of things. We're given tasks to do. I've taken training on this stuff. I've been to classes with it,

and it's according to what the task was, you know, whatever we're working on. But I've been doing this. They first came to me. Let's just say one of the things that they know that NASA told me a long time ago, that people who interact with these orbs become very psychic. So that's a natural part of it.

All of humanity starts experiencing this. become very psychic. And that's kind of alarming to the people in power. They don't want us all becoming psychic. Well, imagine if all of us could communicate with or absorbed or remote view. And we all can. And maybe that's the awakening that you've been told about by the lady. I think that's it.

100%. I believe the disclosure is happening. And once these people won at the time, begin to realize oh my god it's real then you become you start awakening and you can develop these powers and it's happening with dr. Diane Hennessy Powell and Dahlia and Lidu which are very close friends of mine I've worked with them we do a lot of work together and all these wonderful kids with Kai Dickens Kai and I were on the world forum just during Christmas right she told me I ordered one thing for Christmas and that was

your book that's what I think is cool right but let me put you on the spot then what because you've you said this before what's the date what's the date when Regulus turns red I don't know that and I'll tell you why okay I was given this riddle by the lady because you've been misquoted yeah I'm misquoted all the time I've got people on the internet saying Chris says this or Chris says that. I've never said that. Chris says that the Spinks is going to open up as Paul.

Right. I never said that. Edgar Casey said that, right? It's all over the Internet. But what... You say a lot of things that Edgar Casey said. About the Hall of Records and stuff. Yeah, yeah.

So similarities. Well, it's all part of this progression and study in. I study everybody. I'm on admission myself. But what I do know, is when the lady told me about this many years ago, about the regulus and the star, I immediately called a literary agent friend of mine,

Lisa Hagan. Lisa is a very close friend that was in Virginia book publisher. And I told her, we were working on a manuscript, Lisa, and we were talking all the time, so I told her about this. And she said, oh my, I know a lot of people that does astrology. They write books, you know. I said, well, find out if this is going to happen if it's really real.

I don't know if it's going to happen. It was just a riddle she gave me. So she calls Kurt Nielsen from, he's part of the Edgar Casey Research Center and different ones. And they all came back to me way back then, September of 20. 2026, this is going to take place. So for seven or eight years, that's all I preached about. You can look at many podcasts at the older ones, and I'm always saying September of 26.

When I wrote the book, I thought, I better fact-checked this. And so I called Lisa back. And I said, Lisa, you remember this? Tell me, am I correct? Wasn't it September? She said, oh, I think we made a mistake there. I think that it's believed. even now it's going to be in Easter around April.

I thought, well, that makes sense because the lady always comes on Easter. So that's what I went with. But I never really felt, because for eight or nine years, that's all I said was in September. I was never sold on it other than the ladies always associated with Easter.

Or has been. That's when she comes. But now I see that these astrologers are still unsure of the when this alignment will happen. Some are saying October. October 7. Yeah.

October 7, 2026, the 5.30 a.m. It will line up with the Sphinx. And if the atmosphere conditions are correct, that blue star is going to turn red. Well, that's the date. This is scientific. If it's like a have a harvest moon or

that red dust from the Sahara, if that happens, that blue star is turning red that day. That's what date, October? October 7th, 2026. Okay. Because I'm planning to go in the fall to Egypt. I wasn't really set on Easter.

And so, you know, even though I wrote it in the book, still, if you read what I wrote, it was just that I become to believe. Sure. I was never really sure when that alignment, and I'm totally dependent on the experts to tell me, when that'll be.

And now I'm here in October 7th, right? So that's probably when I'll be in Egypt. And I think it's important for everybody to know that when and if that happens, we're not going to see magical visions in the sky. It could be a very subtle just shift. Yeah, I think it's going to be something that comes and goes, but we'll all realize in the next five years, boy, that dude really 12 years ago made,

this prediction that the orbs would appear when Israel and Egypt and all that would well it all happened. I've been saying it 12 years, right? And now I think it's just going to mark a change

a new I think we're going to learn some things between now and then that's going to shock us all. I think disclosure is going to come more real. The government's going to reveal more things. I have a little birdie telling me that

Egypt is about to release something this year that's going to rewrite history. Is that right? Yeah. I've been asked to be a part of it. Can you share any of that? I can't. Can you tell me where in Egypt? I just know it's through the Egyptian government, through the

antiquities authority. I don't trust those guys. I don't either, but they're very valid scientists in the United States that are a part of it. There are, and there's a lot happening in the Valley of the Kings right now. It could be, they just discovered a new, a new pharaoh there. It could be something out of that dick.

I think it's more about what's under the ground. Man, I hope we're talking about the Hall of Records. I don't know. They didn't tell me. They just told me they want me in Egypt this year and that they were going to reveal something that's going to rewrite history. There's a story that I tell on the show about Dorothy Eadie.

I don't know if that rings a bell. Dorothy, who? Dorothy Eedy. I don't know her. She's born in England. early 1900s and since she's a child, she's always drawn to ancient Egypt. And her parents don't know why.

And they take her to the British Museum one day. She's four or five years old. And she goes to the mummy of the Pharaoh. That might have been Ramsey's the Great and she's crying. And she says, that's who, I know him. They give her a book about ancient Egypt. As a child, she's able to pick up high. She speaks the language. She eventually goes to Egypt and she knows her way around all the temples. She believes that she's reincarnated from an ancient Egyptian priestess called Amsetti. And she says that underneath the sphinx are these chambers and there's knowledge down there. And this is someone who worked, Dorothy worked with antiquities for years. They trusted her. So you've got scientific evidence.

with a little bit of the spiritualism of reincarnation. You've got Edgar Casey's predictions. You've got the people that you know. We've got LIDAR, GPR showing all these cavities. There's something down there. Definitely. And they're going to tell about it this year. It changes everything.

Yeah. So I think that'll be part of this new knowledge. This is going to happen. It's going to rewrite an old way. There's a new way. a new knowledge. I think you're going to see fusion energy. All that come.

Ealing 3. All that. Imagine a world tomorrow to where Elon doesn't need rockets anymore. But there are going to be forces that are going to fight that every step of the way. They are. They still are. They just killed the fusion expert from MIT.

Right? They just killed them. They just killed them. And they're planning to roll fusion. out. That means, you know what that means? About 80% of everything you buy is energy costs. That's right. Energy. So what happens if energy is free? Then we become very wealthy and everything gets very cheap.

Right. The living becomes a lot different. And those who, that power structure, it kind of goes away. Well, that's part of the new knowledge. The lady said she was going to wake the people up and reveal expose the darkness and look at all of what's being exposed right now all around the world is things that people are horrified over seeing and you know dark politics and child trafficking who they ever thought in this year in 2025 we'd be trafficking children or people in the u.s is

the biggest trafficker it seems it seems so I think everybody can sense that something's happening and can sense that there's an ongoing war between good and evil. Yeah, I think the good is going to prevail and all the evil is going to be exposed. That's my prediction that's going to happen. I don't think we're going down the road of Armageddon. I think we're going up to a new time of happiness.

After all, these dark individuals are exposed and kicking and screaming and it's happening. I'm going to choose to believe you. Chris, thank you so much for coming today. Thank you. Name of your book is. UFO of God. UFO of God.

And I would say it's an excellent book. Even if you're not into UFOs or religion, it's a fantastic story. It's a great book. Thank you for that. It's on Amazon. And most other outlets, I self-published it, but the crazy thing is that it's been in the top three to five in its categories for three years now.

Well, let's get it up to number one. And when's your next book coming out? Hopefully by summertime. Now, for fans of the Wi-Files, you know the saying is there's always a book. Something to keep in mind, folks, is that Chris didn't monetize his story for 15 years. 15 years, yeah. Right. So.

I never wrote about it until. job 2022. This started in 2007. And all the research I've done, I have spent, I have spent more time out filming the sky than any three people you can come up with. Nobody probably has spent the amount of time I have out observing the sky. And I've done it all on my dime. and I get people saying, oh, you got the horrible camera, you should do this. Well, why don't you go out and do the film again? Well, let's support his work, gang. Grab that book, and I'll keep everybody posted with what you're doing and how we can support your work. It's very important.

I do believe we're in a battle with darkness, and your message is valuable and important. And it's a weapon for good, and we all need to wield it. I appreciate it. And if things go right in the next 30 or 45 days, we're going to step it up and start an expedition out your way and hope to have you. And Gino to come along with us at times if you want. We'll be a part of it. We're going to film this guy every night and get more serious about it. We'll be a part of it.

All right, Chris, thanks again. Thank you, and God bless. So we just spent three hours with Chris Bloodstone. and I need to sit with this a minute. Here's what we know. The January 8, 2007 incident at Cape Fear River is documented. Chris, his 17-year-old son, and three adult co-workers were all present, and all of them reported what they saw.

Mufon investigated, though Chris says the investigation became a hit job, and that's probably true. What's harder to dismiss is who came next. Harold Pavanmeyer, a NASA engineer who worked on Project Apollo, and spent 59 years at the agency, he investigated Chris for over a decade and couldn't debunk him. Pavin Meyer died in 2019, still believing. Jim Samovin, a 25-year veteran of the CIA's clandestine service,

wrote the forward to Chris's book. Dr. Hal put off from SRI, the guy who ran the CIA's remote viewing program, he's also studied the case. These aren't fringe characters, these are real people. As for the big claims, Chris says his Crohn's disease was cured after the encounter, and that he has documentation from UNC Chapel Hill showing no markers remain. Well, I couldn't find independent medical verification of that.

It's his word and his records. But here's where it gets interesting. Chris claims orbs interact with nuclear sites. Well, that's actually documented elsewhere. There's the 1967 Malmstrom Air Force Base Incident where Captain Robert Salas reported a glowing red object hovering over the facility right before 10-minute-man nuclear missiles went offline. That's been testified under,

oath before Congress. UFO activity around nuclear facilities isn't fringe conspiracy. It's in Pentagon Records. Now, here's what I'm still chewing on. The lady, this feminine being of light that appears to Chris on Easter, that he connects to Hathor, to Fatima, to divine feminine traditions across cultures. And the 2026 prophecy, when the star regulus aligns in the gaze of the sphinx, a new knowledge will come into the world. Now, the astronomy nerds have run the numbers, and nobody agrees on the exact date. Some say Easter, some say August, but it's probably going to be October 7th. Chris says he's been saying this since 2012, long before anyone was calculating alignments. So my take is that Chris Bledso is either sitting on experiences that bridge the gap between UFOs,

spirituality, and human consciousness in ways we don't have language for yet. Or he's the most convincing experiencer in modern history with an unusual talent for attracting high-level interest. What I can't explain a way is the caliber of people who are involved. investigated him and walked away believers. NASA engineers, CIA officers, Pentagon officials. Something about this case keeps pulling serious people in. And that's what keeps me thinking about it. Chris's book is UFO of God available on Amazon.

He self-published it, and he's been in the top five in its category for three years. If you want to go deeper on his story, that's where to start. Until next time, be safe. Be kind. Know that you are appreciated. I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as well as music. So I'm singing the like I should. And it never ends.

No, it never ends. But the shadow people, the under. Shams, planet, and where the dark watcher.